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what is going on everybody
welcome to lunch with the
cladsdale it is lunch time
time to hang out with my
friends man stream yard is
acting goofy uh I see corey
in the chat corey's with me
every wednesday he has seen
some of the streamlined
funkiness um and man it
took me three shots to
launch the show today
Man, what a mess.
I wonder what's going on with StreamYard,
if I'm going to have to
look at another software,
something like that.
I don't know.
But yeah, we're live.
It is lunchtime.
I get to hang with all of you.
Jody, Denise, Helson, Corey,
what's going on?
So good that you guys are all here today.
I got a lot of stuff to kind of...
cleanup from the weekend
that we missed last night
during the show or that I
just got in too much of a
rant mode that I forgot to
talk about or all that kind of stuff.
The first thing I wanted to talk about is,
as we were ending the show last night,
Hiller released that reel,
a clip of last night's show
before we were even off the air.
There is no weirder feeling
than looking down at your
phone and saying,
Hiller mentioned you in a reel,
and then Hiller wants you
to collaborate on a reel.
And we're not even off the air yet.
And I'm like, oh, my gosh.
what part of last night's
show did he pick what did
he pick out because I was
really cranky last night
really cranky and I went
off a few times so I don't
know what he was picking I
don't know if it was
something that jamie said
carolyn said or I said um
so that was wild really
wild uh but then it turned
out it was my ghd rant
and that someone in the
space had reached out to me
and accused me of group
thought in my rant about that.
Um,
So that's what it was about.
And I said it.
I own it.
That is what I believe.
I believe that too many
times the people that do it
the right way get screwed
in this space right now.
But I want to clear up.
We were talking about the
online semifinal.
We were not talking about the WFP.
The WFP did not have a
standard for the GHD sit-up.
So it was the Wild West.
You could do it however you
wanted to do it.
And I said to Jamie after
the show last night,
I'd rather have that and
everybody have the same
opportunity to do it
however they want to do it
than to have a standard
that's not upheld.
So that's kind of what I believe there.
It's still not ideal.
I would rather have a good
standard that actually
provides the fitness test
it's supposed to provide.
than the wild west but if if
it's going to be one or the
other I would rather have
no standard and let
everybody have the same
opportunity and a level
playing field than to have
a standard that's not going
to be upheld and some
people will do it because
it's right and it's the
right thing to do and other
people will then skirt the
system and they get an
unfair advantage so that
just to clear up with that last night
Denise says, can I just voice my opinion?
Of course you can.
I enjoyed watching the WFP last weekend.
I did very much.
I enjoyed the WFP as much as I enjoy Rogue,
the games,
and probably better than Waterpalooza.
I hate events that try to go
twenty lanes wide and
And then broadcast that for people.
And it's impossible,
impossible to see every
lane when you do that.
French Throwdown did that this weekend.
It made it impossible to
kind of see everything.
Waterpalooza does that.
They've gone thirty wide at events,
which makes it impossible to see.
The two best events so far
this season have been Mayhem and the WFP,
in my opinion.
Both of them kept the heats to ten or less,
making it much easier to watch.
Mayhem even went smaller
than that at times,
which made it really cool to watch.
Those have been the two best
competitions to watch on
the stream all season long.
Corey,
Waterpalooza is always a cluster
because it's super hard to
keep up with what's happening.
It is.
There's just way too many lanes,
way too many lanes.
And even being there in person,
like if you get a seat on
one end of the stadium,
you can't see the other
half of the venue and the athletes.
And it's just impossible to do that.
um thank you for the kind
words andrew stenn sunday
night crossfit talk is
becoming the place to be I
hope so I mean and I said
it last night like carolyn
Carolyn and Jamie both are
nerds in the space, um,
and they're athletes.
They watch everything.
They have such good opinions.
They know what's going on in space.
And, um,
I'm glad that I'm able to highlight them,
um, as well as, um,
sometimes unleash cranky Scott.
Uh, uh,
Denise says,
so for Masters games last year,
they told us to get over
the bar however we wanted
for the bar-facing burpees,
easier to judge.
I think that's what happened at WFP.
They did not want to have
the judging be the issue in the events,
and that's why the GHD was
given no standard other
than touching the floor
behind you and touching the
pad in front of you.
And...
And so there were not going
to be any judging issues.
But if you look down the
line and you've done
CrossFit for any time at all,
and you saw the form used on those GHDs,
it looked awful.
Now, again, I would rather have that.
I would rather have no
standard and allow that
than to have a standard
that isn't being upheld.
But it still doesn't look good.
Ah, Denise,
it's great that they have
different opinions.
It is.
They're really good.
I understand any skidding over the bar,
however,
isn't as much of an advantage to
the movement on the GHD
where you sit does give an advantage,
in my opinion.
Yeah, I think that Carolyn said it best.
By allowing people to be on
the front of the, well,
closer to your feet,
your butt closer to your feet on the GHD,
you're turning a GHD into
an ab mat sit-up.
Halpin,
same with when Waza did strict
pull-ups versus what became
the standard of arms extended,
chin over bar.
Sometimes they just do it to
make it easier on the judge.
But I think Carolyn made a
great point that the GHD
standard shouldn't,
we shouldn't talk about the
hip or the butt.
We should talk about the back.
The back should not touch the pad.
If the back is touching the pad,
then you're just doing an ab mat setup.
If the back is not touching the pad,
then you're getting a GHD setup.
And that is easier to judge, easier to see,
and is probably easier to understand.
But if you're going to make
it an ABMAT setup,
why lug all this heavy
equipment to these venues?
Why not just do an ABMAT setup?
Because as she said,
nobody's even breaking GHDs anymore.
So the WFP released the tour points.
And I just wanted to kind of
go over them real quick.
They are going to be in the
same order as the event
points from yesterday,
but where this is going to
come into play is when we
get a second event and the
events will have different
finishes than the tour points.
And I think that will make
it actually easier for
people to understand the
concept of the season and,
But a couple things I did
want to point out is the
way the points are distributed.
And so if you look at the
men's points here,
the first couple are
fifteen points apart.
So Austin got five hundred.
James got four eighty five.
Jason Hopper got four seventy.
Then after third,
it's only a ten point
differential for a while
till I think tenth place.
So then the next from Jeff
Adler to Noah Olson,
there's ten points in
between each contestant or athlete.
Then when we go to eleventh,
it's eight points.
So then eighth to twentieth
is eight points between each competitor.
And then when you go to the
twentieth to thirtieth,
we're down to five points
in between each competitor.
So the higher you're up on the leaderboard,
the more separation in the
points that you get and the
bigger that spread can be
and why that's an advantage
when you go to the next
tour stop to have a bigger
lead going into that.
My only criticism of this
release is the challengers
earn points to up to two fifty.
So Tudor would have had two fifty.
They should have added those
to these tour points, those tour points,
each point equals the same
as these tour points.
Now,
it would just start as thirty first
would be Tudor and it would
go down to fiftieth as the
last place finisher in the
Challenger division.
but they could have added those here.
And then you saw that you
would see the top fifty
going into tour stop two
and then tour stop two.
You're probably going to
have different cast of
characters in those challenger,
either challenger pro or
challenger divisions.
And then the store points
will actually be more than
fifty after the next event.
But I wanted to just point
that out that that was
released this morning.
And again,
they're in the same order as the
finish of this tour stop,
but where it's going to
shake up is once we get to tour stop two.
Denise, I hate GHDs just for my back,
but we do a lot in our gym.
Yeah.
And Halpin is working on
that over lunch that
includes challenger points.
so there's that uh the other
thing I want to talk about
is um I watched because the
weekend was so compressed
with so much stuff we had
to cover last night I
didn't get to watch the
hill or hip and steel until
I was uh going to bed last
night what a great video um that
It's a great example of the
storytelling that I've been
talking about that's been
missing from the space and
I hope comes back into the
road to the games that
CrossFit is releasing this summer.
But the storytelling of
walking into David
Hippenstiel's house and
seeing a man that hangs
rings in his living room
and in his stairway to the second floor,
because in the wintertime,
he can't do his muscle-ups outside.
So he does them in the staircase,
and then he uses them to
stretch in the living room
while he's watching TV.
And he has apparatus
everywhere to help him with
his mobility all the time.
He's sixty nine years old
and he knows that mobility
is a limiting factor.
And so he does that.
They they you enter.
They introduce you to his
wife and all the things she
does to help out.
Hiller and him work out together,
and they get โ and Hiller
helps him with his mobility,
his depth on his squats.
It's really a cool video to
watch and really cool to
see how David gets excited
that he got full depth on
his front and back squats
and things like that.
It's a really โ
charming video and uh I
highly recommend it to
everybody um I've gotten to
know david over the years
doing the behind the scenes
of the masters
and I've run into him at events.
He's such a nice guy.
Um,
I'm glad that they were able to bury
the hatchet on some things
and kind of talk about what
happened from each one of
their perspectives and why it happened.
Um, and it's, it's a really good,
good video and nice storytelling, um,
from Hiller, really nice storytelling.
Um, I also watched, and again,
this is all over the map.
This is just cleaning up
notes from the weekend.
Um,
Corey says, dude,
the hip and steel video
might be the best one he's done yet.
I am way more a fan of hip now.
Yeah,
I've always been a... So when that
went down,
I was actually... When that
first video came out,
I was at an event where David was at.
And we talked a lot that weekend.
And he was going to come on
the show to give his side of the story,
but we could never get it
kind of to his...
because I believe that you
should have full movement
and you should meet the standards.
And we could just never get
to an agreement as how
we're going to format the show.
But yeah, it's a great video.
I agree, Corey.
I thought the hopper one and
this one are the two best ones he's done.
And they're probably the last two.
I think he's just getting, uh,
into a really good groove,
having conversations with people.
They had a great
conversation about his elbow.
It's a conversation that
needs to be had more in the
masters competition, totally.
And his shoulder that both
of them have limiting factors and
And that you, as a judge,
you are supposed to know if
they have a limiter when
they come out on the floor
and you're supposed to factor that in.
And Hiller makes a great point at like,
what point does that,
do we lose the integrity of
what fitness is?
It was a great conversation,
a great conversation.
Uh, Denise,
I think killer did a great job.
I understand David a little
bit better now.
David is so easy to talk to.
He's in the behind the
scenes from last year's CrossFit games.
We had a great conversation.
It was like eight or ten
minutes and it was so good.
I didn't want to cut any of it.
So I left it all in.
Um, and it's really, really good.
Hill are gently telling
David that maybe if you can't lock out,
you should compete.
And Dave seemingly agreeing was so cool.
I was annoyed with David at the time,
as I have always worked on moving well.
And I have older and I have
older people highlighted as
bad movers made me sad.
I can see that.
I can see that.
And David admitting to the
way he handled it was not ideal,
was really nice, too.
So, um, so behind the scenes, um,
WFP put out behind the
scenes while the event was
going on this weekend,
really hard to keep up with
that and keep up with the
event in itself.
But in behind the scenes three,
they're interviewing some
of the people that brought
on to do media.
And what I found fascinating
was that a lot of them had never,
ever done media for, um,
had never ever done media
for fitnessing before.
They were hired from outside
the space to come in and do this.
And I like the idea of
having some fresh ideas to the broadcast.
And I think that showed a
lot in the WFP broadcast.
I've said this in the past before,
I think CrossFit hiring the
same crew to do the broadcast every time.
It's been the same since two
thousand thirteen.
They're not much has changed.
I thought that they had did
better angles of the
footage from the floor.
I thought they did a better
job of when they did do close ups.
It was more of like a three
or four athlete close up as
opposed to just one person.
in the lane um and so you
could see other things
going on when they did a
close-up but they had a lot
more wide angle shots where
you could see the whole
floor and where people
stood during the race um so
I want to commend them for
trying some new and and
different and innovative
things and then that kind
of rolls into the the red
bull effect so red bull was
a major sponsor
And one thing we didn't
really talk about last
night on the show is that
Red Bull money is different
than like a grips company
money or go-ruck money or a
shoe company money,
unless you're like one of the big dogs.
Red Bull is a major player
in sports in the world.
They are big in the X-game
style sports industry.
And they sponsor a lot of those,
so much so they have their
own streaming channel.
There is a Red Bull channel
out there where they
broadcast niche and extreme
sports all the time.
If WFP gets a relationship with them,
that is groundbreaking, right?
That is something that I
don't think a lot of people
have taken into account in
this whole thing.
I think some people working
on the broadcast were
professionals from Finland.
They have been involved with Turku.
You guys hopefully can read it.
Tua Mianpava.
which has been broadcast
very professionally,
not on YouTube though.
Yeah.
I, I,
you could tell that they were like
from Europe,
they were doing an excellent job.
It was a new concept, new ideas for them.
The one guy said he had
never even seen a CrossFit
competition before coming to this.
And I really liked the
innovativeness of bringing
in some people from outside the space.
Halpin said, yeah,
and one of the guys also
works with the Indianapolis Colts.
Yeah,
I thought that's why it was different.
And thank goodness we have
some different ideas and
different thoughts.
So yeah, I was really happy with that.
But Red Bull,
with them having their own channel,
and if World Fitness
Project can gain a partnership with them,
with with whatever happens
in these first few events
that's going to be
groundbreaking for what
happens because it's
different money it's
different money than the
crossfit games I've ever
seen and they have
resources that can actually
benefit whatever happens
here um and I and adidas
has a lot of money too
those are two major
sponsors that they have that
because I believe that
Reebok is a subset of Adidas.
So even when CrossFit had Reebok,
it's not as much as getting
Adidas as the main sponsor.
So aha says Red Bull has
amazing social media.
So totally agree with that.
Yeah.
They've been around the
block and they have
cashflow and they have resources.
unlike anything ever seen in
the fitness space before.
That is for sure.
The other thing, this again,
I'm just cleaning up notes,
so we're all over the map today.
Live versus WFP.
You guys all know I've been watching,
Andrew says,
Reebok was owned by Adidas in the past,
but not anymore, I believe.
But I believe when Reebok
was sponsoring the games,
they were owned by Adidas.
Correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think that that's the case.
So if you watch full swing,
when live first started,
they went after older
players who had a little
bit more diminished skills
and then offered them this
guaranteed money.
And that's why they moved
from the PGA tour to the live tour.
And then it wasn't until
they kind of established themselves,
made some headlines with
the money they were offering,
that some of the bigger
players then jumped over to live.
When World Fitness Project first started,
I think the same thing happened.
They went after the Pat
Vellners and the Chandler Smiths.
People who had established names,
established social media accounts,
tons of followers,
but maybe didn't have the
skill set anymore to be
dominant on the floor.
And then once that was out
there and the headlines
went out there that this was happening,
then some of the more...
the more young and upcoming
athletes decided to join, um, the WFP.
It's really eerie how
similar this has been.
Uh,
and last night we talked about like why
you would pick the four, do you pair the,
yeah, the four, do you pick twenty men,
twenty women?
And I think a lot of it has
to do with who are you
easily going to sway to
come for the money?
And who had the most
following to get the biggest headline,
the biggest news out there.
And that's what they did.
So, yeah,
I think that is key to what
happened with WFP and key
to what we're seeing today.
My final thought on this is
I think we're at a really
big juncture for CrossFit.
Right now you have a
competitor who put a good
weekend together.
And let's just call it that.
It was a good, good weekend.
Really enjoyed it.
Really enjoyed the broadcast.
Really enjoyed everything about it.
Now we have this online
semifinal that has to be
finally decided on by CrossFit.
There was the public review
of the videos went out.
Now it's in CrossFit's hands
to make the final
determinations as to penalties and such.
There are known issues going on out there.
And if CrossFit wants to be a legit sport,
and maybe they don't want to be,
and that's fine.
But if they want to be,
they're going to have to
come to the plate with a
fair and equitable playing
field for everybody,
as we talked about last night.
And so I think that the
coming week and a half or
however much time is left,
maybe it's not even that much time left,
CrossFit's going to have to
make some rulings that are
going to be hard.
It's going to be interesting
to see what they do.
Cause I don't, I don't know.
I don't know if they're capable or not.
Halpin says many athletes
already have three to five
workouts approved.
There's at least one athlete
with double digit needs
review and has all five
workouts reviewed.
I would need more
information because the
email is different if
CrossFit reviewed the video
or if they went by what the
public review was.
It's two different versions of the email.
And I would like to know of those reviews,
which ones they got for each
workout I know of people
who have been getting
emails everybody I know of
got the you passed public
review there wasn't enough
of the needs review to
force them into a further
evaluation and so I don't
know who these at these
athletes are and what
they're getting back um
But if they're getting back
the ones where CrossFit
actually did a review,
I just hope it was done fairly.
That's all.
Because I know like
Carolyn's gotten some emails back,
but hers were on ones that
didn't have a lot of downed votes.
And had much more goods than the downs.
So I don't know how it's
going to play out with other athletes.
But I think it's crucial
that CrossFit has to take a
stand on which way they're
going to go with this.
And then it is what it is.
Right.
But it's not about approved or reviewed.
It's if you were reviewed by headquarters,
the email is different than
if they just accepted you
based on the public opinion.
That's what I'm saying.
So I'd like to know,
did they have to go to step two or not?
If you didn't have any
downvotes and you had a ton of upvotes,
then you get an email
saying your video has been
approved and moved forward.
Mike, I'm not talking about the games.
I'm just talking about there
are two emails that come
out for each video to give
it the green light or that
it's been penalized.
And there's two green light emails.
There's a green light that says,
based on the public review,
you are approved on this video.
And then there's one that says,
you have been elevated to
CrossFit HQ review,
and we have determined that
your video is good.
And both of those are green lights,
but it just shows that they
went to another step beyond
the public review.
So that is what I have to say about that.
I watched a couple good
movies this weekend.
I watched Nona's.
It's a Vince Vaughn movie
about a restaurant that
he's opening up and that he
hires grandmothers to be the chefs.
It's on Netflix.
Really good.
Highly recommend.
Family friendly.
Just feel good movie.
Then the other one I watched
was not family-friendly.
It was called Love Hurts.
And it is, I don't know the guy's name,
but he was in Goonies as
the inventor kid.
And then he was in Indiana Jones,
Raiders of the Lost Ark as
a rerun in that, I believe was his name.
But it's called Love Hurts,
and it's a very Jackie Chan
kung fu movie.
And just from a nostalgia point,
I loved it.
I loved the Jackie Chan kung
fu movie style.
It was a lot of fun to watch,
but it is not...
is not family friendly um
and it has kung fu gore in
it almost comic book-esque
um my wife hated it just so
you know um but I loved it
just because of the
nostalgic uh jackie chan
thing denise says how did I
have time to watch movies this weekend
Well,
we are trapped in the house because
of my wife's knee surgery.
So what I would, as soon as I was,
the nice thing about the
WFP and the French showdown
is they were all done early in the day.
So I could then go hang out
with my wife for the evening.
And because she is laid up
on the couch or in the bed
I brought downstairs, we watch movies.
So it's about all we can do
right now until she gets
more mobile and can get
outside for long trips.
so uh corey says ki hui
kuang is that is that is um
that is the guy who stars
in it and uh uh marshawn
lynch uh from nfl fame
raiders and seahawks is in
the movie as well and he
was awesome he was really awesome
So, well, thank you, Denise.
I try to be a good hubby.
It was a lot this weekend
trying to watch everything
and care to all of her
needs throughout the day,
but we made it through.
Now we're back into the
normal swing of the schedule.
So, yeah.
With that, guys...
That's the cleanup episode.
We had a really, yeah,
I want to see it because
Marshawn is in it.
He was really good, really good in it.
Denise plus Mother's Day.
It was Mother's Day.
We kind of forfeited it and
she was cool with that.
I did order lunch in for her
from a local deli and got
her some stuff she wanted.
But we couldn't do anything beyond that.
And with the daughter moved to Montana.
yeah that was a huge
investment helping her get
out there so yeah it was
going to be a simple one
anyway and so but we
enjoyed ourselves for sure
well guys I'm going to get
back to work I have a busy
day ahead of me um
you knucklehead should get
back to work as well hope
you guys had a good time
make sure you like and
subscribe to the channel
last night was a blast show
I was so cranky last night
I think I had four riffs in
the middle of last night's
show if you have not seen
it already and many of you
have as the numbers are
showing go check out last
night's show um caroline
and jamie are the best and
we will see everybody next
time on lunch with the clydesdale
Bye guys.