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Explores the application of Baha'i principles towards society building.
Society Builders pave the way To a better world,
to a better day. A united approach to building
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transformation - Society Builders. Society Builders
with your host Duane Varan. (Duane) Welcome to another exciting episode of Society Builders and
thanks for joining the conversation for social
transformation. Now allow me to start today's
episode with a bit of a bird's eye view of where
our journey together has been navigating us to
over the past year or so. In episodes 18 and 19,
we began exploring one of the fundamental pillars
of society building engaging with the prevalent
discourses of society. We explored what this means
particularly from a Baha i perspective and we
discussed strategies for effectively engaging with
such discourse. Now I then wanted to take us on
a journey exploring a SPECIFIC discourse and here,
of course, I focused on the contemporary issues
associated with the rampant polarization that
is currently plaguing the world. I did this so
we could explore what discourse looks like how
we engage with a new discourse. Now, I could
have focused on any number of discourse themes:
the environment, race unity, the empowerment
of women I mean these are all great examples of
discourses that Baha'is would normally engage
with. And in due course, we ll explore all of
these and more. But I chose the polarization focus here specifically for a number of reasons: First,
it was something I knew absolutely nothing about. In fact, I remember being blown away when I read
reference to the need for us to bring antagonistic
people closer together thinking, how on earth do
you do that? And that was exactly what I wanted
a challenge I knew nothing about - so that we
could together go through the process of engaging
with a new discourse from scratch. An authentic
journey similar to the ones you will face when you encounter new discourse themes. Second, it had an urgency to it that was reflected repeatedly in guidance from the Universal House of Justice who
describe the world's situation today as polarized
and paralyzed , with prejudices polarizing
societies at a time when unity is more vital to
resolving local, national and global challenges ;
calling on us to resist the pull of controversial
and polarizing debates. And this guidance is a
reflection on the extent to which polarization
has emerged as one of the dominant issues of
our day all over the world. So the gravity of this
particular theme seemed particularly urgent. This
is front and center with Baha'u'llah advice that
we engage with the needs of the age in which ye
live in and polarization clearly meets that test.
It responds to one of the most critical needs of
THIS age. Third, polarization intersects at the
very heart of the mission of Baha'u'llah. I mean,
bringing antagonistic groups together this is
EXACTLY what we re about. It s the ultimate
expression of the unifying power of the Faith.
Fourth, it s foundational. And what I mean by this
is that learning how to address polarization is
a skill that helps us in just about any other
discourse we engage with because almost all modern discourse will require this capacity for us to
help bring people together. So gaining new skills
and insights around depolarization helps lay a
foundation for our capacity to engage effectively
with other discourse themes. And finally, I felt
it was an arena that had great opportunity for
engaging and collaborating with others and with
like-minded organizations. And here, specifically,
this view was shaped by reading the work of Nealin
Parker who features in episode 27 who, together
with her research team at Princeton University,
has identified over 6,700 organizations in the US
alone working to find paths to depolarization.
So this was the underlying rationale for
the polarization focus. And what we ve been
doing from episodes 20 onwards has been getting ourselves up to speed on the scientific knowledge
that exists in the existing discourse. This is
where we should always start - by reading society
listening and coming to terms with the existing
discourse. And here, we ve been incredibly
fortunate to learn directly from the leading
luminaries in the world in this discourse.
And so today and over the next few episodes, we re going to try to bring some synthesis to what we've
been learning from these amazing individuals and from their research and experience. And in that
context, we re going to try to explore how this
relates to Bahá’í perspectives and how we might
bring new contributions to the discourse at
present. Now that s an incredibly tall order
well beyond my capacity, for sure. So we won t get it perfectly right and it won t be comprehensive.
But we can at least scratch the surface here
and explore some possibilities to at least
demonstrate the potential of such an approach.
So today, we start exploring Bahá’í perspectives
towards depolarization. (musical interlude)
Now once again, I need to offer a bit of a disclaimer
here to remind you that I speak with no authority
here. This podcast is a personal initiative it
does not necessarily reflect the views of any
Bahá’í agency. So you should weigh the ideas
here for yourselves. Again, my voice is no more
important than your voice so explore at your own
risk (laughs). And an added caution. It s far
too premature to argue that anything could be a
true Bahá’í perspective on depolarization. In the
same way that we don t really yet have something
akin to Bahá’í art or Bahá’í music or even Baha'i education, for that matter - we definitely
don t have a distinctive approach to this issue of
polarization. So I use the term Bahá’í perspective
here in a very broad sense and not in any kind
of official sense. It s more that we re exploring
Bahá’í -INSPIRED approaches to depolarization.
And one final disclaimer we explore this theme
of depolarization with a focus on what WE can do and not on what we might expect others to do. In
other words, we re not talking about social policy
or workplace law or anything macro. We re talking
about the things we can do in our own lives in
our interaction with those in our orb what we
can do directly to help remedy polarization by
integrating Bahá’í -inspired approaches. OK so
with those clarifications, let s embark upon our
little journey here. (musical interlude). Now,
rather than go through a linear review each of
our recent episodes, I thought I d weave across
the interviews to pull out some key themes and
explore how Bahá’í approaches might contribute to
these strands of the depolarization discourse.
Our approach won t be comprehensive it ll be
illustrative. In other words, I won t cover
everything we've learned but I'll pull out a
few key insights to explore how we might integrate Bahá’í -inspired perspectives. And specifically,
we re going to explore just FIVE of the key
principles that have emerged across these
interviews. These are five of the most important
principles that grow out of the research on the
science of depolarization. And for each of
these, we re going to explore how Bahá’í
perspectives might contribute to advancing the
discourse further. And so over the next few
episodes we re going to explore these five
themes including: * Forces that act as an
accelerant to polarization and what we can do to
help prevent that influence in our own lives and
how to safeguard against ourselves adding fuel
to the fire. * How polarization dehumanizes
the other and what we can do to help rehumanize
the equation. * How we can enhance our capacity
to listen and understand, which are critical to
effective depolarization. * How we can help
break binaries narratives that reduce problems to
conflict between two opposing forces. * How we
can enhance the environments under which contact between antagonistic groups are facilitated.
Now again, this doesn t cover everything we've learned. But I think it s good ground for
us to cover which will help illustrate how Bahá’í
perspectives can contribute to this discourse. So
that s our game plan. And obviously, that s too
much for us to cover in a single episode, so we ll
cover this ground across a few episodes. So let's dig in. (musical interlude). Now polarization
is a social pollutant. Just like there might
be toxic particles in the air we breathe,
if we live in society if we interact with society
we re going to contract this toxic polarization
in our everyday lives. It doesn't matter that we
don t approve of it, that it s not compatible with
our beliefs if we live in society we re going
to breathe in toxic polarization every day.
So we can't stop it BUT we can certainly limit
its influence. But this requires that we become
more aware better sensitized to it. And this
requires active reflection reflection on what we
breathe in what we inhale - but also reflection
on what we exhale on our actions. Because as we
become contaminated, we can also accelerate
and add fuel to the polarization disease,
despite our best intentions. So we start our
discussion on strategies to depolarize with a
focus on - ourselves. This is not about what
others should or shouldn t do it s about you
it s about me and what WE can do to both limit
the toxically polarized pollutants coming in
but also to regulate our own behavior so we don t
further contribute to the problem. Now our guests
on these podcasts have been really helpful in
helping us understand this dynamic. I think the
most common space where most of us interact with this kind of toxic polarization is in our social
media spheres. Now in episode 26, Dr. Lisa Schrich did an amazing job in helping us understand how
polarization in social media is not coincidental
it s not an accident. It s the by-product of very
deliberate strategies designed to maximize
profit for the social media platforms and
a function of the work of chaos actors often from
foreign adversaries actively working to undermine
social structures by cultivating divisions.
So remember, other things being equal, if you have a
credible social media post and a highly polarized
version of the same post, the algorithms on these
social media platforms will favor the polarized
and further propagate these over the credible.
So the system is rigged to polarize. Now there
are larger conversations to be had about social
policy around all of this. But for now, I d like
us to focus on what this means for us in our own
daily lives. Now let s pause here for a second.
Just for a moment, I d like you to think about
the dramatic social transformation that has played out over the past two decades or so where we have
become so much more aware of our food diets.
Today, when you go to a fast food restaurant
and order a burger and fries, you are keenly aware of how many calories there are in what you order.
Maybe that encourages you to order small fries
instead of large ones. And when you re at the
supermarket buying your groceries, you pick up a
can and look to see what it s ingredients are. And
maybe you pick the item that has less trans-fat,
for example. So we've become a lot more conscious
and discerning and aware of what we eat.
We still eat bad things, right. But we're just a lot more
aware of what we're eating and sometimes not
always but sometimes - we regulate our behavior
armed with that knowledge. Now our social media consumption is a lot like our food diet it s
our media diet. And just like we ve become more
aware of our calorie intake and the ingredients
we ingest we also need to become more aware of the polarized content we consume. And continuing
on with the interview with Dr. Schrich, I think
what she really helped us understand here is that
what these corporations and what these foreign
chaos actors are preying on is what she called
our reptile brain (laughs). I loved this part of
the interview. In fact, let me remind you of
that part of the episode:
(Dr. Lisa Schrich) So really, neuroscience is behind a lot of conflict
behavior. When human beings can sit down calmly and breathing regularly, we can solve problems
together. We can disagree about issues, but we can maintain a sense of human dignity, relationship
with others. And we have our prefrontal cortex.
I'm pointing to my forehead right now. We have
this amazing brain, as humans, that can link up
with other people's brains and figure out creative
solutions to problems. And really, that's what
conflict resolution, conflict transformation
building, that's what that's all about, is trying
to create a setting, a condition where people can
be their best selves and work with other people
to find creative solutions to problems. So,
as a mediator, for example, I'm used to sitting
in a room with people who are very angry with each
other, disagreeing something. And it's my job as a mediator to lead them through a process of moving
from the reptile part of their brain in the back
bottom of the brain stem, and trying to sort of
create enough safety in the room that they can
come up to their forehead, where their thinking
brain is, where they can actually solve problems
together. And so even before all this, social
media, I think neuroscience really underlies a
lot of the process of conflict transformation,
moving from just an emotional response to be
able to think and be mindful of our ability
to solve problems together.
So I think when you think about neuroscience and social media,
there's a few things happening. It's showing
us the emotional content which keeps us at that
brainstem. My colleagues at the Center for Humane
Technology call it the race to the bottom of the
brain stem on social media. So it's this race to show us the most outrageous emotional content
to keep us engaged at an emotional level.
(Duane) Now I love this way of framing the
problem. Polarization feeds the reptile portion
of our brain it's this race to the bottom of our
brainstem. And that, in turn, is addictive. And
our challenge, neurophysiologically, is to instead
feed the more human, the rational dimensions of
our brain. Now in Bahá’í terminology, this is
what we call the struggle between our lower and
higher natures, between our animal self and our
divine self between our material and spiritual
self. Abdul-Baha describes how this lower self
is captive to nature and how our higher self
transcends this all. And the whole beauty of the
human story is that we are creatures endowed with free will so we decide which version of ourselves
to empower. This reminds me of that story that I
know you ve all heard it s the story of a Cherokee
chief explaining to his grandson that there are
two wolves in all of us one evil and dark and one
noble and good. The grandson then asks, which wolf wins? To which the grandfather replies it s the
one you feed. The one you feed. And this is where our reflection and vigilance becomes so important.
In understanding which self we re feeding with
our media diets. Now this isn t limited to
social media. The same kind of communication diet is also true in our interpersonal interactions
with others. When you re angry with someone and want to vent who do you turn to? You could turn
to the friend you have who will likely get you
to pause reflect calm down get you questioning
whether you really need to be so angry. OR you can
turn to the friend who you know will agree with
your anger reinforce it make you feel justified
feed your anger. So which friend do you turn
to? And if we re being honest here there s a good
probability that we'll turn to that second friend
because it FEELS good. It vindicates our anger it
justifies it. It makes us feel right to be angry.
But while it feels good but it is probably not the
most productive response. And this is what both
Amanda Ripley in episode 20 and Dr. Peter Coleman
in episode 21 - this is what they were describing
in our attraction to conflict entrepreneurs
people who are really good at feeding and
inflaming our anger at weaving polarized reaction
at reinforcing our sense of being victimized.
You're looking for someone to reinforce your
sense of anger and they re there to gratify.
Now in this context this often FEELS good. But,
again, that doesn't mean it's productive. In fact,
it's probably making the situation worse.
So just as we need to be discerning in our social media
encounters we also have to be discerning in who we
confide in in who we turn to in our moments where
our emotions flair up. And, of course, we need to
be on double duty on these occasions not to allow
this all to deteriorate into an opportunity for
backbiting. Enough said, right. OK so whether we
re talking about social media or interpersonal
interaction we need to be vigilant so that we're
minimizing our contact with forces that will
feed and enflame polarization. We need to feed our
higher nature to rise and transcend above this all
so we are less a creature of our rampant emotions
and we can better channel our divine selves.
(musical interlude). And there s another side to
this equation and that s that we also need to be
on guard lest we become an agent of polarization
ourselves despite our best intent.
You read a social media post. It angers you.
Your emotions get triggered and you immediately
post a reply that you later realize has only
further enflamed the problem. It's critical
that at those moments we pause and wait before
posting a reply so that our emotions can settle
down a bit. And that we then bring the voice of
wisdom and not just the voice of our emotion to
our response, if a response is even merited.
And as we discussed in our interview with Dr.
Schrich, it s much easier to have this kind of
uncalibrated response online than it is in person
because when you say something to someone in
person, you see their reaction to your words and
that reaction is often disarming. You see that
your words are making a person sad, for example,
and so you temper your response. But online,
it's easy to become indifferent to such response.
So we become more callous, less sensitive and more
likely to further fan the flames.
Again, a number of our guests talk about this need for
self-reflection over our own actions. Let's remind
ourselves here of what Amanda Ripley shared with
us in episode 20: (Amanda Ripley) Yeah, I think it's important for me to first acknowledge that
we all can be conflict entrepreneurs. And this is
actually one of the things that Gary reached out
to me when the book first came out and he heard
me on the radio and he was like, yeah, just be
careful with that because you might create a whole new us versus them. And so I do try to remind
myself that every day I just wake up and try not
to be a conflict entrepreneur because especially
on social media, but even just around the office
or in your neighborhood, it is easy to do that.
It's a way to bond with people by complaining or
blaming someone else. (Duane) And I really loved
the stories that Gary Friedman shared with us in
episode 22 about his own journey. Here was one of
the world s leading mediator trainers explaining
how he slipped up. He s sharing the story of his
engagement with local governance in his own small locality let s listen in: (Gary Friedman) We had
problems in the community. People said, we need
somebody to run the meetings. I said, I know how
to run meetings where there's conflict and they
said great. So they elected me in a landslide.
And then this was to the local, just our local,
250 houses right on the ocean in California.
And my idea was, let's get the whole community
involved. And so all the people that voted for me
come to the meetings. It's your community. And of
course, one of the great surprises, two surprises
neither of them should have been. One was they
didn't come because they thought they'd elected
me. I would do that. And secondly, the people that
were against me, they came to every meeting and
they just started taking potshots at me right
off the bat. Well, as a mediator, I was used
to really heavy conflicts. Horrible things would
happen in the room, but it was never aimed at me,
and this was aimed at me. And as the me, what came
back into my life was the old trial lawyer. I knew
how to defend and attack, and before I knew it, I
was off and running. And everything I believed in
about how people should be with each other, I was
contradicting from moment to moment. And it was
terrible experience because I was defensive.
And I wouldn't say drunk with power, but kind
of I loved the idea of having power. I kind of
hadn't had it. As a mediator. I give it away,
so I'm happy. But this was kind of intoxicating.
We can make real change. And of course, that was
seeds of destruction right there and created a WE
/ THEM relationship between me and the people that
were against me. And so I went through a really
horrible period where my wife said to me she'd
come to the meetings with the dog and then leave
after a while. And at one point she said to me,
'you know, I don't even recognize you. This is
not the person that I've been with for the last 40
some OD years. This is some old version of you.'
And so I really took that to heart because I knew
that she was right and she always is right.
And so I went through a period of deep soul
searching. (Duane) So if this can happen to Gary
Friedman, one of the world s leading experts in
this arena and a really, really nice guy I mean,
if it can happen to Gary, it can happen to us too,
right. So this speaks to Baha'u'llah's
admonishment that we be guarded in our speech.
Baha'u'llah refers to human utterance as an essence
which aspireth to exert its influence and needeth
moderation , and He enjoins His followers to
speak with words as mild as milk in a manner
consistent with our station of true understanding
and nobility. So this is painting a picture,
right. Of us being highly aware and conscious of
the potential impact of our expression of aspiring
for nobility in our manner of expression.
And the Universal House of Justice, I think,
gives us this incredibly sharp focus with these words:
We return to the phenomenal
characteristics of speech. Content, volume, style,
tact, wisdom, timeliness are among the critical
factors in determining the effects of speech
for good or evil. Consequently, the friends need
ever to be conscious of the significance of this
activity which so distinguishes human beings from
other forms of life, and they must exercise it
judiciously. Their efforts at such discipline will
give birth to an etiquette of expression worthy
of the approaching maturity of the human race.
It is precisely this etiquette of expression
which we so desperately need at this critical
juncture. Content, volume, style, tact, wisdom
and timeliness. But until this etiquette evolves,
we can at least aspire to it in our own
conduct. So we've talked about both the
information we ingest and our expression and I
know that this can be nuanced and complicated at
times. At the end of the day, it s a skill.
And fortunately, this is something we CAN
train for. As I shared in episode 21, Dr. Peter
Coleman has developed a course a challenge only
requiring a few minutes of your time over a 21
day period designed to help sensitize us to our
own threats to polarization and I ve included a
link is this episode s description. Or, as Gary
Friedman explained in episode 22, you can complete
his 40 hour course at UnderstandingInConflict.org.
And in due course, I'm sure there will be a Bahá’í institute courses you'll be able to join. But
I wanted to remind you of the very precious gift
we have to help us navigate through this terrain
a gift that is here and now that will help
you TODAY- immediately. And here, of course,
I'm talking about the example of Abdul-Baha.
In fact, that s our short hand. Any time we re
not certain either in terms of the content we re
exposed to or our own expression the test is super
simple. Just imagine that Abdul-Baha is there with
you. And if you're OK with what you re hearing,
reading, writing or saying then sally forth. You're good. But if you re embarrassed then something
is probably not quite right and you should
adjust accordingly. This is a powerful tool
which gives us immediate access to the voice of
our conscious which, more than anything, can help
us navigate the challenges of our times.
So this is your emergency plan. When in doubt, visualize
Abdul-Baha in your presence and that will help
you weigh your words. (musical interlude)
Now we've run out of time for today and we
only got through the first of our five key
themes connecting what we've learned from
the science of depolarization together with
Bahá’í principles. So we have four themes to go
which will probably take us a couple of episodes
to cover. But it s exciting stuff, right!
So thanks again for joining the conversation
for social transformation. I look forward to
continuing our exploration of Bahá’í approaches
to depolarization That's next time on Society
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