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Welcome to Untethered Consciousness, hosted by Rod Bland, where we share stories and insights to help you answer the most fundamental of questions: Who am I?
Through the conversations that we have with our guests, we aim to help you reach your own conclusions about the nature of our existence.
Allyn Evans: And I was
walking up and down the
aisle at the bookstore, at
the time it was the occult.
because that's what
they named all of this.
So I'm walking down,
what can I read next?
What can I read next?
And I see the book and
the book is The Journey
of Robert Monroe.
And I, I just was in shock
because this is that place.
This was a book about
that place that I had read
about so many years ago and
just didn't really think
I could ever get there.
Rod Bland: My guest today is
Allyn Evans, who's the current
CEO of the Monroe Institute.
Allyn, welcome.
And thanks for
coming on the show.
Allyn Evans: Thank you.
Glad to be here.
Rod Bland: Well, I've
been looking forward to
this conversation and it's
taken us a while to get the
calendars to sync up, but
I'd like to start with some
background of what your
life was like growing up.
And then can you tell us
about what led to your role
at the Monroe Institute?
Allyn Evans: Sure.
So I grew up in Mississippi
in a small town and just a
very solid family of friends
and neighbors environment,
so definitely grew up
with a lot of support,
and as I grew older I started
getting, a young adult, I
started getting very curious
about things I was reading,
and it would be associated
with this concept, just
like what we say here at
Monroe, you're more than your
physical body, is what we ask
you to believe, that, wow,
I am more than my physical
body, and the way I was
raised, I didn't know that.
So I was reading these
books that were just
blowing my mind, you know,
reshaping my paradigm there.
And, um, I started
getting very curious.
So I was always was curious.
So I started seeking and
trying to figure out,
well, if these people that
I'm reading about can do
these things, like be more
intuitive, be more psychic,
um, have these experiences.
Well, I should be
able to, right.
And that's, uh, I was just.
Going after it and trying
to solve that problem and
trying to figure it out.
It dawned on me one time when
I was reading a book from
a psychic who said this is
how you do it and I've been
doing it since I was three.
That, wait a minute,
if you've been doing it
since you were three, how
are you gonna teach me?
Because I haven't been
doing it since I was three.
I'm probably, you know, by
then I was like probably
late 20s early 30s.
So I had some other things
I had to learn how to do to,
you know, to reach that state.
So I started again reading
more books and I found the
Monroe Institute in books.
And when I did that, it was
years before the internet.
So I couldn't just get on here
and Google and go, what is it?
But I just knew it as this
mysterious place somewhere
out there that people seem
to develop these skills that
I was seeking to develop.
So, I, I just, I read the
books, I kept thinking
about it, I then went on
my own self taught path.
I didn't have a teacher,
and it was probably because
I didn't have the courage
to go out and say, Hey, I'm
looking for this, I'm looking
for that teacher, didn't
have the resources to go, you
know, pay one of the authors
and go, Hey, call them up
and pay them to help me.
So I was like, okay,
how do I do this?
So I started with
dream analysis.
And I started meditating.
Now, my meditation practice
was really bizarre at the time
because again, it's me reading
it from books, not really
understanding, but I was
learning how to quiet the mind
and how to get in that very
thoughtful, expanded state.
So I just continued
that practice.
Dream Analysis helped me
learn what I call like a
second language so that I
could interpret and process
nonverbal communication.
Which is typically how you
might receive information,
say, from a guide, in
dreams, for the meditation.
So that was a big step for me.
And then 2008, I was, so fast
forward many years later,
I was with my daughter in a
bookstore, and I was walking
up and down the aisle of
the book, and at the time,
at the bookstore, at the
time it was the occult.
because that's what
they named all of this.
So I'm walking down,
what can I read next?
What can I read next?
And I see the book and
the book is The Journey
of Robert Monroe.
And I, I just was in shock
because this is that place.
This was a book about
that place that I had read
about so many years ago and
just didn't really think
I could ever get there.
So I bought the
book, read the book.
By the end of the book, I had
bought all the Gateway series,
which is a, then it was six.
a package that I could
go through all of these
exercises, which we call
meditations, um, until
explaining the gateway
process, which is our
flagship program here.
Before I was done, I
was like, I don't care
if I have the money.
I don't care how I do it.
I've got to go.
And so I was there by March of
2009, taking my first gateway.
So that's how I got started.
Rod Bland: That, that
must have been exciting.
I've, I've, uh, one of my
ambitions is to be able
to go and do the gateway
program actually at the
Monroe Institute, not
just the, the virtual one.
And was it, uh, was
it Far Journeys?
Was that the book, the
first book that you read?
Allyn Evans: No, actually
it was the journey
of Robert Monroe.
Rod Bland: Oh, it's called
The Journey of Robert Monroe.
Okay.
Allyn Evans: written
by Ron Russell, who
was a friend of his.
And what I love about the
book is it, it's a very
real explanation of the man.
So it introduces weaknesses,
strengths, and then the
story of how it all unfolded.
Rod Bland: Oh, interesting.
I've never run
across that one.
And I've read all of Robert
Monroe's books like several
Allyn Evans: Right.
I've read those.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Yeah.
Allyn Evans: for
me came later.
I wasn't interested
in out of body.
I didn't even know, when I
first showed up here, I wasn't
concentrating on that at all.
And then the other thing I
was telling Scooter McMonigle
today, who's married to
Joe McMonigle, who's also
Bob Monroe's, uh, daughter,
um, I said, you know, when
I came here, Joe was here,
and he came to speak, and
I had no idea who he was.
And there were people
in the room at Gateway
that just went crazy.
And I'm going,
who is this guy?
And he was a remote viewer
001 for a government
program in the 70s, I
believe is when it started.
So again, I was so, I had this
tunnel vision about developing
my intuitive abilities that
I didn't focus on the other
things that this place offers.
Rod Bland: You went to
the gateway program.
So can you tell us about your
experience going through that?
Okay.
Allyn Evans: it's
interesting because I've
been a Gateway trainer.
For several years, and I'm not
doing that now, but, um, about
a decade, I was doing Gateway.
And, from my own experience,
I was one of the people that
I was having, I had, um, let's
say I had experiences, I knew
something was happening on
a deeper level, and I also
realized it once I left, but
it wasn't the spectacular
experiences that you do hear
about some people having.
So you'll find it, at least
from my observation, it
happens one or two ways.
And so some people will
just have these incredible
meditations that they're
talking to deceased loved
ones and, uh, you know, having
these connections to guidance
that they can actually have
some kind of real, uh, feel
like a real experience.
And then there's others
who it's more subtle and
it's more of an opening and
receiving, but maybe you just,
in one meditation, you see a
symbol of a rose, let's say.
You're not over there talking
to your deceased loved one.
But that rose has a very
powerful message for you.
So I was more on that
track when I first showed
up, but again, I knew
it was very important.
And I had been listening to
those CDs that, yeah, they
were CDs at the time, um,
before I got there and was
already having things happen.
Rod Bland: I've got a number
of other questions here.
Tell us about your, your
meditation practice.
Cause you just mentioned that
briefly and you, and you start
off with a, a bizarre one.
Can you, what's your current
meditation practice look like?
Allyn Evans: I would say,
well, this was in the
beginning when I didn't
know what I was doing.
It was just more finding time.
I tended to like to do
that in the bedroom.
That was a private.
And I would just try to go for
extended periods of time, uh,
either doing something like
a Wayne Dyer would say with
the, the alming or the toning,
or again, trying to just have
an affirmation that helped
me stay focused on either the
affirmation or clear my head.
Once I found the, the
technology, Hemisync,
then the tool, that
tool helped me do that.
And also because the
meditations or exercises
are purpose driven, very
instructional, then that was
my, you know, the next step.
And that's what
I still do today.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
I find them really,
really useful as well.
Sometimes as if I just don't
want to sit down and try to
be quiet and, and the, uh,
the HemiSync is good for
if you've, if my, I've got the
um, the rabbit brain going,
I call it, then, then that
really just quietens things
down and you can actually have
a bit of peace for a while,
which is really, really good.
So after you did that, how did
you go from actually attending
the, the gateway program to
becoming a trainer to then
like your current role?
How did that evolve?
Allyn Evans: Right.
So when you, when you take
two programs, then you have
an option if you're interested
in helping, you know,
spread this out to others
or teach it or train it.
We have a program
called Outreach.
where you can teach basically
the first two days of Gateway.
It's a little bit different,
but it's, it's pri it's
similar in the material.
And so I did that
the next year.
I signed up, went through
the program, and then
the following year I was
one of the, um, I did
more outreach programs
than anybody in the us.
So that made me, um, they
looked at me and said,
Hmm, what's she doing?
Because our U.
S.
outreach trainers tend to
have trouble filling seats.
And so then I was asked
to be the outreach
trainer, co trainer.
And then from that
evolved Gateway in a
few years after that.
Rod Bland: Okay, so you
really took to it like
a, like a fish to water.
Allyn Evans: Yeah, you know,
it's interesting because
over the years, I have
and sometimes I've chided
myself about this, about being
so narrowly focused on Monroe.
Monroe Sound Sciences,
our evolution of that, um,
that I maybe I was missing
other teachings that would
have been very helpful to
either to me or to others.
I teach, but I realize
now sitting here.
That was probably all by
design because that's where
I needed to be focused.
So that could be a just
very clear channel.
of this process, this
work, the sound technology.
Rod Bland: How's your
view of consciousness and
consciousness studies?
How's that evolved since
you've been involved with
the Monroe Institute?
Allyn Evans: That's an
interesting question.
I mean, as far as
research, we're getting
more and more active.
We just recently hired, as
of January this year, hired
a full time researcher,
co director of research.
And before that, we were
usually having, well, I'd
say for five years before
that, we had one researcher,
also co director of research,
who would only be able to
give us one day a week.
So, it's exciting now to
really be able to focus on
this and to look and see
what's happening in the
brain when we're doing these
meditations, when we're
using the sound technology.
We've got a program
called Discovery.
We've got a few others
that we now use the
MindMirror EEG system.
Are you familiar with
Rod Bland: I have
not heard about that.
So tell us about that too.
Allyn Evans: So, that
was created by Max Cade.
And it's a way to, it's a,
the, I think it's a four
channel, but it's a way to
measure the pat, like what's
going on in the brain.
He was also innovative like
Bob Monroe, started around
that same time, and he was
like, okay, something is
happening in a healer's mind,
a psychic's mind, a medium's
mind, that's different, that's
happening to just every,
you know, everyday folks.
So he wanted to map that out.
And so he invited
these people, these
individuals to his place.
And he used his Mind Mirror
EEG system, and he discovered
that there were certain
patterns, brainwave patterns,
that these particular
individuals tended to have
or to be able to reach.
So, what we can do now is
use that, those patterns,
when we're in meditations,
using sound technology or
without sound technology,
and we can see that we're
getting those patterns.
So, uh, mediums pattern,
for example, very common
for a medium is called
the awakened mind state.
And so when I'm saying
patterns, that means there's
a certain amount of theta,
there's a certain amount
of delta, certain amount of
beta, which is where you're
more conscious and alert.
And they stay in a specific
shape, and that's when
they can tap into source
guidance information.
So, his theory was, the
more people that can learn
how to do this, that he
could train to do this.
Then the happier,
more successful, more
prosperous, more peaceful
individuals would be.
So now we have one of the
individuals who's taking on
the MindMirror work, Judith
Pennington, who trains courses
here with us, and we use the
MindMirror, and she's just
blown away by what happens
here with the brainwave
patterns and what we're able
to reach and demonstrate.
Interestingly enough, they
discovered that when people
have out of body experiences,
the brainwaves collapse.
So it's literally
like they're gone.
Rod Bland: Wow.
Allyn Evans: And so that's
been a fun thing to see.
Rod Bland: So that's a
revelation that's only
come about just recently.
This, the collapsing
of the brainwaves.
Allyn Evans: That's my
understanding that it's
something she realized here as
she was gathering this data.
Rod Bland: I think it was
in Daryl Anka's book, who
channels Bashar and I'm,
I'm sure in his book, they
mentioned how he was, they
hooked him up to a machine
and, and it was very
consistent, like the the, the
pattern that his brain went
into a very sort of almost
like a deep sleep pattern, but
he was, he was, he's conscious
whenever he would sort of go
into the channeling because
he's like a more of a sort
of a semi conscious channel.
Allyn Evans: That's the
interesting part, because
when you're doing this and you
have a big band of theta, you
know, you're really in that
theta state, a lot of people
can't, aren't conscious.
They, they haven't had
training to be consciously
aware of what's happening.
And that's when we're in
those, uh, like those states
between sleep and awake.
Uh, when we're, when we're
having access to that
subconscious information,
and so it's very, it's a
good way, you know, it's
good to learn that because
you can access more of your
total self, in my opinion,
if you're able to do that.
And interestingly enough, I
did the sound technology for
10 years before I actually had
my own mind mirror session.
and, and it, it was a
little nerve wracking for
me because it was in a
conference room straight.
I was sitting a
straight back chair.
My back was sore, and
they were asking me
to do this on demand.
And a board member was
there doing it with me,
and I was a trainer.
I was like, oh,
what if I blow this?
You know, I didn't really
know what I was doing, but
I was like, oh my, oh, this
could be just terrible.
I did it anyway.
So within the first, it
was a 20 minute session.
She verbally guided it
so she could later ask
what was happening during
the specific parts.
As we looked at the pattern,
you know, unfolding.
So she said that she
reported that I was able
to go to a theta state, a
really heavy band of theta
within less than 30 seconds
without sound technology.
So that told me, wow, okay,
this stuff is doing something.
You know, it's helped
me do this very easily.
And then I maintain the
Awaken Mind state, which is
the one the mediums and the
healers tend to first go to.
And I stayed in that for
97 percent of a 20 minute
session when I was in pain.
And there were people
walking around in bright
lights and I was sitting
in a straight back chair.
Then the Evolved Brain is the
one where you are starting
to possibly be channeling.
Or, you know, making some
kind of stronger connection
to more than what's right
around you, your total self.
I hit that 30
percent of the time.
Again, I, I believe it's
because of the training that I
have done previously and the,
the, you know, using the sound
technology on a regular basis.
But the interesting thing
was, and this is what
kind of blew my mind.
When we're, when we were
talking, like after it was
over, the board member went
first, then it was my turn.
So he's just has this
amazing experience.
I call them bells and
whistles where it's just
like, you know, talking to
again, maybe an angel or a
deceased loved one or maybe
there's a bunny rabbit that's
talking to you as your guide.
And so he's, you know, telling
about this fabulous thing that
just happened in 20 minutes.
And I'm going, I'm thinking
to myself, uh, that's
not what happened here.
And I really started sinking
down in my chair because I was
like, Oh, this is not good.
It was like my
fears had come true.
So she started talking to me
about it and she kept asking
me questions and I was going,
no, nothing really happened.
No, no, because I didn't have,
you know, with anything, not,
you know, not auditory, not
visually, you know, nothing.
finally, she said, okay,
what was happening right
here when I was talking
about opening the door?
And all of a sudden I
was like, wait a minute.
That is when I felt like I
was in this complete state
of unconditional love.
And I was so supported and
I was one with the universe,
you know, just kind of
having that kind of moment.
And she goes, okay,
that that's evolved.
That's the Evolved Mind state.
And that's when you
opened up to that
channeling possibility.
Well, I was, you know,
I just, I was going to
discard the whole thing.
So what, why it changed
the way I look at this is
because I realized, yes, the
bells and whistles are fun.
It's nice to have these
experiences, but that's
not really why we're here.
That's not what we're doing.
We're wanting to
reach that space.
That's very dark, very
quiet, very still, and
just filling us with.
Love and support.
Rod Bland: So was that one
of the sort of more defining
moments that you've had or
have you had any other um,
moments or experiences that
have really changed your
perspective or what you
think about consciousness?
Allyn Evans: That certainly
did, uh, change my perspective
again, because I just thought
it was more about what I
was receiving in a, in a two
way communication system.
So, yes, that,
that certainly did.
And then, um, I've had
other experiences that,
it's interesting, it's
more like breadcrumbs.
And when you, that's why we
always say please journal,
journal everything, because
when you look back you see
that you're, you're given
little hints and breadcrumbs
to help you follow the
path, the path that's yours
to follow, even though
you might be afraid, even
though you might have,
you know, fears about,
um, your ability to do it.
Whether you think, think
you have the resources,
whether you think that you
have the skills, whatever
it is, um, but you can see
that you're, it's a, it's
an unfolding of a jigsaw
puzzle, and sometimes it
takes years before you see it.
And so me sitting in this
position, I definitely had
a lot of those moments where
I was like, okay, now, why
did I have that meditation
and that experience?
when there's no way that
I would end up in this
position or, um, disinvolved.
I remember reading my
journals after the first
year of me starting this
process, coming to Monroe.
I had not, I had
totally forgotten.
That I had been receiving
information because I'm
auditory, so I hear things,
um, that I've been receiving
information that the
Monroe Institute needed me.
And I was embarrassed
to write, I would say,
okay, this is crazy.
I'm going to write it
down anyway, but I keep
getting this message.
And I'd forgotten it.
Well, a year later, I'm
reading my journal, and
I am now leading the
local chapter network.
Which was now the
Monroe Community Groups.
I'm the chair of launching
the entire project worldwide.
When I was getting the
messages, I was a stay
at home mom with some
random contracts, feeling
very underutilized and
wanting to be of service.
So that, that was a, that's
when I realized, or I
guess a way for me to look
back and go, you know, we
really are supported, we
really are guided, and we
just have to pay attention.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
But pay attention.
Yeah.
Sometimes the messages
are subtle, aren't they?
Allyn Evans: Ah, yes, that's
why you write them down too,
because sometimes it makes
zero sense, because maybe it
is just a symbol of a rose,
it sometimes is like a
big jigsaw puzzle with all
these tiny little pieces.
that you're putting
together over time.
And again, it
could be 10 years.
It could be 20 years.
It could be one year.
Rod Bland: Did you ever
get to meet Bob Monroe
before he passed on?
Oh
Allyn Evans: Now, he
taught in 1995 and
Rod Bland: was a
fair while after.
Allyn Evans: yeah, I was
2009 when I showed up.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
Um, there was someone
else whose books I really
enjoyed was Bruce Moen.
I think he was an attend, I
know he was still an attendee
there after Bob passed on,
and then after his wife,
was his wife Nancy, I think?
Was he someone that was
around during your time or?
Allyn Evans: no.
Rod Bland: Yep.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's, there's, there's
like, they're all, they're
all veterans, aren't they?
It's such a old, I guess
Bob's books are like
written in the 80s.
Uh, that's, yeah, we're
going back a fair way.
Um, and then the other
one, the more, I think
it was actually, it was
Tom Campbell's books.
Um, that's, uh, that's,
I think that's how many
of us found out about
the Monroe Institute.
Allyn Evans: And
I do know Tom.
He's a wonderful man.
Rod Bland: Yeah, he's very,
very generous with his time.
He's, I think he's probably
one of the most widely, if not
the most widely interviewed
person who I know of that's
been at the Monroe Institute.
He's very, very generous.
So the, the focus, uh, the,
when I first heard about focus
levels was actually in Bruce
Mowen's books, which, uh, was
at voyages into the afterlife.
And so could you tell us
a little bit about, uh,
what the focus levels are
and, you know, how that
fits into the programs?
Allyn Evans: So this is,
it's really the system
that Bob Monroe created.
And he, it was like a
map of consciousness.
So what he discovered is
when we were putting together
different frequencies,
People tended to have similar
experiences, and not, not
similar outcomes, but the
first one, focus 10, and
I say first, they're not,
there's no order, and Bob,
Bob Monroe tried to help
it not be hierarchical,
hierarchical because of the,
um, because he didn't want it
Look that way, but when you
have, you know, 10, 12, 15,
that's what it sounds like.
You know, it sounds
like one, the higher
level must be better.
That's not the case.
But focus 10 is body
asleep, mind awake.
It's one of, to me, it's
one of the most exciting
focus levels because that's
where you really learn that.
When I was talking about
reaching those theta states
and having a lot of delta
going on, but you have
beta too, you are alert.
You can remember
the experiences.
So it's a really great
training focus level and
you literally will feel
like your body's asleep.
And you, I remember when I
was doing it at home before I
came here, I would have these
moments when I was doing Focus
10 and I would hear somebody
breathing very heavily.
And I was like, you
know, and I would just
be going in my head.
It would kind of scare me
like, who, who, what is that?
Where, where am
I hearing that?
Well, it would be me.
My body was asleep.
So, I mean, you literally
in those, when you get
into those very heavy
focus level, focus 10 level
states, you can be snoring
and go, okay, who's snoring?
It's me.
Um, so it's an
interesting phenomena.
Focus 12 is another level.
And that's the way I look
at that is it's, it's
an expansion of self.
It's where we're looking
at total self of access.
So some people might
say higher self.
And that's where a lot of
nonverbal communication can
come in, uh, from, it's,
you can think of it like a
dream state, a meditative
state that's, uh, where
you're able to access those
different parts of yourself,
maybe an inner child, maybe
it's a, uh, pieces of your
soul that you're trying
to bring back to you.
And then focus 15 is no time.
It's called the void.
And it's where we can really
play around with, uh, past,
future, uh, present moment.
And it's a, it's a state
really of initiation.
It usually means you want
to be initiating something
so that something occurs.
Otherwise it can tend to
just be this silent void that
you're in, which is nice too.
then Focus 21, the way I
look at Focus 21 is that
we're going beyond and that's
where we're, we're really
stepping into that space.
that we can reach out
to deceased loved ones,
guidance, things like that.
And then focus 27,
we call the park.
And that's just, it's,
it's interesting.
This has this amazing energy
now, because so many of
us have gone there in our
meditations and it seems to
almost have a structure to it.
Like you'll go there and
see the healing center.
You can go there and
see the, um, the book,
the hall of records.
You can.
Go there and, um, even we
have a class called X27,
where you go build your place
there that you can, when
you go meditate, you can
go hang out in that space.
So it's a, it's one of my
favorites just because of
how broad and, um, and,
and we, so many of us have
shared experiences there.
So that's just a few of
them, the basic ones.
Rod Bland: So, your everyday
work and the people you're
involved with, uh, and I guess
kind of what I do as well,
you, you get used to the idea
that we're working and talking
about things that a lot of
people are very skeptical of.
And so what, what do you
generally say to people
who doubt the legitimacy
of phenomena like OBEs
or psychic abilities?
Allyn Evans: You know, so
one of the things we pride
ourselves in is that we want
you to have the experience.
We don't, you know, so I'm
sitting here telling you about
some of my experiences, but
what I really want to happen
is for you to come here,
you to get on our app, you
to come to a program, not
to give me money, but for
you to have the experience.
And the sound technology
is a key driver for that.
I mean, we had a Buddhist
sceptic in the 1990s
that came from Canada.
He was the head of an order
and he spent one week with us.
And at the end, he was
like, you Americans,
y'all figure out the
shortcuts to everything.
And he realized that this
was a fast track compared
to years and years and
years and years of sitting.
And it is.
I mean, you can be in
those states and hold those
states for extended periods,
periods of time without
discipline, you know, except
the discipline of the 30
minutes, 45 minutes that you
listen to the meditation.
Rod Bland: I've always
been fascinated by the
out of body experience.
That's kind of my go
to thing and I've been
successful one time.
So I'm, I'm interested
in being more successful
than just, than just once.
So, you know, what would you
say to someone in my position
as far as, okay, well, I'm
thinking about doing something
with Monroe institute.
What should I do?
Allyn Evans: Uh, well, so
we do have OBE spectrum,
which I have trained, and
that gives you a lot of
different ways to experience
or view an out of body.
Most people, now when you
had yours, was it a, would
you call it a traditional
type experience, a classic
experience where you're, you
know that you're out, you
know, then you can look down
at your body where you've
left it, maybe a silver
cord, maybe a vibration
before all that happens.
Rod Bland: It wasn't
quite that because my.
My intentions, I'd, I'd,
uh, I followed, uh, Michael
Roduga's methodology.
So it was, I was, I'd just
woken up and I just managed to
catch myself as I'd woken up.
And I was thinking about
standing in front of
the bathroom mirror and
then I was in front of
the bathroom mirror.
So that's, and so it was
away from my body, like
in a different floor of
the house at that point.
So I didn't get to see
that, but that, that
was the only difference.
I would say the rest of it
was fairly similar to what
other people have described.
Yep.
Allyn Evans: and so that
the, what we find is people
really want the classic
traditional experience,
just what I was explaining.
What we teach at the OB
Spectrum Program is that
there's so many different
ways for this to happen.
And it's really more about
the outcome, not how you get
there, but we certainly have,
you know, meditations and
exercises and information that
we teach in that program that
helps people have experiences.
And it's not
always a guarantee.
You know, it's
not a guarantee.
We can't guarantee that,
but we are leaving you
with tools to work with.
And everybody can do it.
It's really just a matter
of staying alert and aware.
And that's why the Focus
10 training is so powerful.
Because you're training
yourself to remain alert
Rod Bland: The falling
asleep, I can't, I can't
really prevent that, doesn't
matter how much I try, but
once you've had some sleep
and then catching it when
I wake up seems to be,
you know, that seems to
be the ideal opportunity,
I think it's different
for different people.
Allyn Evans: Yeah,
that's actually the ideal
opportunity for me too.
But I also found afternoons,
um, and I would run two 45
minute exercises together.
And I found sometimes
that could be helpful too.
But morning and that, that
space between waking up and,
um, and then getting out of
bed, if you can, if you can
build in time to hang out
there and just right after
you've woken up, then you're,
you're more likely to be
in that state and be able
to return to, uh, something
similar that's got you in
a lot of theta, delta, and
then of course the beta,
Rod Bland: It's amazing to
me that it's so, uh, related
to a particular state of
your brain, which is a very,
seems, it's a very sort of
scientific approach to me.
That was what I was
encouraged by is like,
okay, well, if I wasn't
born with psychic abilities,
like you, the person who
was three years old, then
what hope do we have?
But you know, there is a
way to, to tap into that
just by applying a little
bit of science it seems.
Allyn Evans: right?
It works?
Rod Bland: So, I have
a question that I ask a
lot of my guests is about
what advice would you have
for 25 year old Allyn?
Allyn Evans: Hmm.
You know, I was already
very curious when I was
25 and that's, uh, I
actually probably started
reading those, those
books when I was 27, 28.
but what would I tell, you
know, really, so I'm going to
be very, um, vulnerable here,
but I was so self critical,
so had so many self doubts.
And so I think that's
where I got in my way.
Just even when I wanted to
be an outreach trainer, after
being here for Gateway, and
then you take another program,
I almost didn't ask about it.
Because my thought was,
why would they want me?
And I just made, I
made myself do it.
At least, thank God I had a
little bit of courage mixed
in there, because I, you know,
that's how I think I keep
moving forward, is because I
can pull out the courage card.
Uh, or be afraid and do
it anyway, um, but that,
that would be, I would
say, Hey, get over it.
And the other thing I would
say to my 25 year old self
is not everybody's going to
like you and that's okay.
Those are the two things.
Rod Bland: I've asked that
question to a few people,
that's really powerful.
Not everyone's
going to like you.
Allyn Evans: Right.
Rod Bland: Yeah, and
that's, and that's okay.
That's, that's really good.
Allyn Evans: and I had a
meditation that brought
that home to me and I
heard this booming voice.
It was a male voice and it
was, I just said, Allyn, not
everybody's going to like you.
And I was like, Oh, Oh.
Okay.
You know, but up until
that point, that's not
how I could see it.
Rod Bland: Yeah.
That's really useful for me.
I've got a history as a
chronic people pleaser.
So yeah.
Allyn Evans: too.
That's, I wrote a book that
has that in the subtitle.
Rod Bland: sO if, if people
wanted to, people may
have questions for you.
Um, I'll get you to talk a bit
more about the programs that
the Monaro students seek, but
if they, if they wanted to
ask you questions personally,
is, is that something you'd
be open to and what's the
best way for them to do that?
Allyn Evans: So we have
info at MonroeInstitute.
org, that would be a good way
to send an email, and if it's
specifically for me, just say
that they would, you know,
ask to, for me to view it,
and they'll pass it on to me.
Rod Bland: Okay, cool.
Allyn Evans: And it might
be answered by someone
else, if it's not something
that, you know, if they're
just generic questions
that somebody on staff
might know the answer to.
Rod Bland: Yep, so can you
give us a bit of an overview
of what the Munro Institute
does for people who may not
have heard about them before?
Allyn Evans: we offer
programs, and we have
about, I can't even
tell you the number now.
I think it's about 30
different types of programs,
and they have different
focuses, and some of them
are on the focus level
system, and some are not.
Some are Monroe Sound Science,
which is not including
the focus level system.
Um, but it's, uh, it's a way
for an individual, so if they
come to a program, it's a
way to have a very structured
experience with purpose.
For example, Gateway is
the flagship where that's
the introduction to the
basic, uh, focus levels.
And then we have one
lifeline that's about soul
retrieval, soul retrieval of
yourself and soul retrieval
of others who've passed on.
We have, um, guidelines, so
that'd be more about guidance.
We have X27, which is
exploring that, the
park, the Focus 27 level
and so on and so on.
And then we have other ones
like near death experience,
Heartline, which is focused
on the heart energy.
There's, we have anything
you would want that could,
you know, move someone
forward just depending on
what the purpose is, what
they're trying to accomplish.
Rod Bland: And so you have
some that, uh, are done
actually at the Institute
there in Virginia, and then
you have some online things
and apps as well, don't you?
Allyn Evans: Right.
We have about a thousand
people who come here a year.
And then we have virtual
programs, which some are, um,
a week long, some are like
two weekends, so that you can
not have to use, if you're,
if you're someone that works
Monday through Friday, uh, you
just are having two weekends
to cover the material.
And then we have some
shorter virtual programs.
We also have online programs.
So those are, they're
guided by a trainer.
There's email, you can email
them or chat with them.
And then there's a, usually a
video session once a week or
a Zoom session once a week.
So, we have that format, and
then we also have it where you
just are getting the material
without any guidance, and
those are our lowest price
points, and so it's really
easy in an inexpensive way
to experience what we do.
Rod Bland: Hmm.
I learned about the Lifeline
program from Bruce, uh,
Moen's book, and I think
that's absolutely fascinating.
Do you, do you, is there
been anybody that's been
through that program or do
you know of any experience
that somebody's had that was
particularly profound that
you could tell us about?
Allyn Evans: Hmm, you
know, it's hard, sometimes
it's hard for me to
remember different stories,
but I have one that
I just recalled.
Uh, Candy Sanderson,
who is the author of
The Reluctant Messenger.
So it might be a book that,
I think it's a great book,
so I think your audience
would be interested.
But she came, she was coming
here for about 10 years, and
she took Lifeline, and she got
a download of someone who had
passed on, and she received
their name, where they lived,
and just more information,
and she was able to verify
it, like immediately after
the session was over, the That
seemed to open this huge door
for her, where then, about,
I think it was a few weeks
later, might have been a month
or two later, she started, as
she would be driving to work
every morning, she started
getting all these downloads.
And she's, she
verbally recorded them.
You know, had a tape
recorder that she just
recorded everything, then she
transcribed everything, and
that's what's in the book.
And it's, so she's in a
whole different space now,
with this gift that was,
Uh, Gifted at Lifeline.
Rod Bland: Wow, what was
her purpose for doing,
obviously she didn't know
how it was going to turn out.
What was her purpose
for coming there
in the first place?
Was it just because she had a
relative that had passed on?
Allyn Evans: no, so I'm not
sure why she picked Lifeline.
It might have been that
a friend wanted to go,
but she'd already been
coming for several years,
and she actually was one of
the founding members of the
local chapter network with me.
So we were just both
very passionate about the
organization, so she would
come like once a year.
And that lifeline just
happened to be the one she
selected about, I think it was
10 years after she started.
Rod Bland: So what's in
the future for yourself
and the Monroe Institute?
How do you see our
understanding of
consciousness evolving as
humans as time goes by?
Allyn Evans: You know, one
of our things that we're
doing right now is a huge,
we have this huge aspiration
to reach 1 percent of the
world's population, which
right now is about 80 million,
with a direct experience.
Because we believe the
more people that can
get into these states of
awareness and maintain them.
Then we really can
change the world.
And of course there
are other organizations
with similar goals.
So altogether, if we
all focus on our 1%, uh,
we'll eventually have a
tipping point, I believe.
And I think that's
what's driving us now.
Rod Bland: So do you have
a final positive message
that you could leave people
with before we wrap up
the conversation today?
Allyn Evans: Yes, I do.
This is possible for
anyone and everyone, and
we have this amazing sound
technology that cuts out all
of the years of discipline
and training and can help
you reach these powerful
states for yourself, have
these amazing experiences.
Have these amazing
experiences yourself.
Rod Bland: Awesome.
Allyn Evans: do it.
Rod Bland: Yes, and I can
recommend it too as someone
who has, I've struggled with
meditation and like being
able to focus in the, the,
uh, the HemiSync technology
is really, really useful for
helping people with that.
If you do have trouble just
quieting your mind, I can
thoroughly recommend it and
it's not expensive at all.
Allyn Evans: Right.
then the Monroe Sound
Science is, you know,
the evolution of that.
And then we've got the apps.
It's real, there's a
free section on there.
So anyone can get started
and listen to this
stuff and experience.
Rod Bland: yeah.
All right, Alan, it's been
great talking with you today.
You've been very generous with
your time, so I appreciate
you taking the time out
to have a chat with me all
the way over in Australia.
Allyn Evans: Thank you.
I enjoyed it.