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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. As we look around this country and as we become more aware of the corruption, and not just the corruption, but just the depth of evil in our country. It's astounding. Even looking at what's happening right now with the response to the disaster in Asheville, and not even getting into the fact that it looks like it may have been some sort of weather modification that caused it, and there's a lithium mines and that, you know, similar to Maui or other areas that we've seen that, you know, these people, these social engineers will do whatever it takes to destroy a region, just to take the land for money.
Seth Holehouse:And we're seeing this over and over again, and this is all the while. You know, we have, you know, Harris coming out saying, oh, well, we're gonna give every person affected $750. Like, oh, okay. Great. You're gonna pay for a hotel for three nights to a family that just lost everything, yet we're giving billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine, and not just Ukraine.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, we're, you know, paying for, you know, gender studies in Pakistan. Yet it's obvious that we have a government and a system that has turned against the people, and I don't see the solution to get out of this. Even if Trump gets back in, what's he gonna do? Can he spend four more years trying to correct things only to have that after four more years that someone else gets back in and undoes whatever he does? It's hard to imagine a future without really thinking about how do we fundamentally change this system.
Seth Holehouse:And so my guest today is my good friend Martin Armstrong, who's someone who knows the cycles of history. He knows the rise and fall of civilizations of empires, and he's seen what happens to systems like what we're experiencing in America. And so I'm looking forward to sitting down and asking him, Martin, how do we fix this? How do we move forward? What's this country look like in five or ten years from now?
Seth Holehouse:Because I can't envision a future with the current system that we have. I just can't. It's just too corrupted. So I'll also, just so you know, so in this interview that I'm getting ready to show you, so Martin is in Florida, and he's also been affected by the hurricane. And so his Internet was kinda spotty, and so his Internet actually cuts out.
Seth Holehouse:So the interview will come to somewhat of an abrupt end, But, thankfully, we were able to get a lot of the really valuable conversation done ahead of that. So just be aware, you know, be aware of that that towards the end of this, it might cut off a little bit abruptly, but that was just the Internet going out. And, I've been waiting for him to come back on, but I'm not sure where he is. So, you know, he might be without Internet the rest of day. It's hard to say.
Seth Holehouse:But it's still the conversation we were to have is a very valuable conversation where we're talking about exactly what I've set up so far. So, folks, please enjoy this interview with Martin Armstrong. Folks, far too many veterans who served our country honorably are now homeless or at risk of becoming homeless. Glenda Williams is a US Army veteran who faced homelessness along with her five children. Glenda was struggling to keep up with her rent and basic living expenses.
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Seth Holehouse:So, folks, consider donating $11 a month to tunnels to towers at t two t dot org. That's t,thenumbertwo,.org. Mister Martin Armstrong, it's always honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much for being here with us today.
Speaker 2:Well, I've got Wi Fi, survived the storm, so I'm here.
Seth Holehouse:Good. Good to hear that. So as usual, there's so much to talk about, but one thing I I I'd like to open up with you, and it's something I've been reflecting on, is just is our country not gonna say too far gone because I I think that the the spirit and what it is can remain, but the current system, like, this two party system, which I believe, actually, in a lot of ways, the two party system and democracy as we've as it been sold to us is is also a trap because it enables them to control two candidates, make everyone convinced that the candidates are gonna fix things. You know? Oh, we we need four more years, and we're gonna fix everything.
Seth Holehouse:But what I'm looking at just how corrupted our government is and and the institutions and even looking at the the FEMA response and what's happening down in Asheville. You know, to me, what I'm seeing is a system that it's almost like if you wanna drain the swamp, the swamp is everything, and so there's no way to to to drain it and still have this, you know, the system that we're currently in. So I I'd love to hear your thoughts on this because I'm I'm a little bit at a loss actually in in trying to figure out how to move forward.
Speaker 2:Well, history is the road map to the future, mainly because human nature never changes no matter what century you're looking at. Alright? And we have to understand that a government is like somebody that starts a small business. Oh, gee. If I expand, I can have some more offices, things.
Speaker 2:It's They do that in government. So government is the same process. All right? It's always trying to expand. So if you look at every crisis, the SEC or CFTC state, well, we could have prevented it if we had this.
Speaker 2:You know? And it never ends because you cannot prevent anything. Alright? We're all globally, you know, connected. And you take the American Civil War.
Speaker 2:This is most people have no idea. But what sparked it was this idea that actually was in Russia. Czar Alexander The Second is the first one to have an emancipation. He freed all the serfs in 1861. That led in The United States pushing to say we should do the same and free the slaves.
Speaker 2:Alright? Now the problem you end up with is in the case of Russia, alright, a serf wasn't is was different than a slave. A serf was only tied to the land. Alright? So the landowner couldn't sell you individually.
Speaker 2:You sold the the farm. Everybody went with it. All right? So the problem with these is really that it it's the same thing as the Iraq war. If you look at Tony Blair's apology, and he says, gee, we thought we were freeing them from the tyranny of Saddam, etcetera.
Speaker 2:And we subjected them to, you know, religious persecutions and stuff and ISIS and everything else. They never think in any of these situations. Alright? They never think what comes after. So it's just in Russia, it was, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Fine. Let's just free all the serfs. That ended up because the people didn't own anything, and the economy was largely 70% agrarian. Well, if you don't own the land, you know, there's no employment. Alright?
Speaker 2:So that turns into communism and let's go get the rich that own everything. Alright. In The United States, it would have just simply been the civil war could have been done if if we just had somebody with common sense standing in the middle. But we you don't. And we don't have that today either.
Speaker 2:All right. The South is looking at it. Well, gee, if we free the slaves, we lose all our employment and the economy crashes. All right. The North is saying, oh, well, slavery, that's immoral.
Speaker 2:Nobody's looking at a possible transition. Alright? So when the the civil war was done, the vast majority of the slaves, you know, the blacks stayed in the South. Why? Because it was an agrarian society.
Speaker 2:You know? How are you gonna get there wasn't a Starbucks to go get a job. You know? So you still had to work on on in agriculture. That was it.
Speaker 2:And the bulk of it was in the South. So you either you transitioned from basically free room and board and and you you, you know, can be sold by your owner to now you gotta pay room and board and taxes. You know? Nobody thought about the transition. How do you get from point a to point b?
Speaker 2:You just don't cut the umbilical cord. Alright? And that's what we're doing here. You know, I've been getting a lot of these emails in about the that conference in DC, you know, rescue America, making the same stupid mistakes. It all is illustrating what you're pointing out.
Speaker 2:Here they have this conference. Oh, it's it's how do we rescue oh, because these people are wrong. Okay. That's like the South saying the North, you're trying to interfere. It's the same thing.
Speaker 2:Nobody's in between. So how do you rescue the the republic? You can't. Alright? Because that means one side has to say, oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Fine. I'm wrong. Not going to happen. All right. So we have to understand that the biggest cancer throughout history is always this left idea.
Speaker 2:And this is not it didn't really just begin with Marx. I mean, it you can go back and you can see the ancient city of Sparta. They didn't even issue any coins. Nobody was allowed to everything was owned by the community. The state ran everything.
Speaker 2:Alright? So the Peloponnesian War of of, you know, Sparta against Athens was, you know, basically, you're talking about the left versus the right. So this this issue has been around for a long time. Even if you look in the the commandments, one of them is thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods. Alright?
Speaker 2:That's basically against the left. This has always been going on for thousands of years. Alright? So you have to look at what are we really dealing with? Is this solvable?
Speaker 2:And the answer is no. It never has been solvable. Okay? The only solution will be to split. And you just have to do that.
Speaker 2:In the American Civil War, they tried they even put in the fourteenth amendment, which they tried to use against Trump. Or anybody that supported the insurrection couldn't hold in office. All right. So here we're fighting for democracy, but then you win and you're denying them democracy. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:It's it's just human nature is always going to be that way. And we have to look at this step back and look at it from the middle of the of the road. All right. It's we just have to do this. And and the only way to do it, honestly, is we have to separate.
Speaker 2:It's just it's it may be economic oriented, but it's like an economic religion. Alright? That's when Khrushchev said, we will bury you thinking, all right, communism is going to defeat capitalism. All right? You look at India, Nineteen Forty Seven.
Speaker 2:Same thing, split. Pakistan, India. All right? Hindu versus Islam. There's some things that are just not solvable.
Speaker 2:Like in The Middle East. Iran is Shiite. Saudi Arabia is Sunni. Shiite is kind of like the church runs the state. Alright?
Speaker 2:Saudi Arabia is a kingdom. And so Iran looks at Saudi Arabia and says that's not right. The church should run. So these are not things that are negotiable. You know?
Speaker 2:Let's send in some diplomats and talk about it. You know, it you're talking about very core beliefs. Even with what we're doing in our in in Ukraine is is it's insane. I mean, I've had employees both from Kyiv and from Donetsk. They would never talk to each other.
Speaker 2:We had a conference in Athens. The one from Kyiv refused to fly back the quickest way because there was a stopover in Russia. The hatred is systemic. You're not gonna get rid of it. Alright?
Speaker 2:You if you brought a bottle of Russian vodka to dinner in Kyiv, they would throw it at you. You know? So giving long range missiles to to Zelenskyy, it's insane. It's this is not about protecting democracy or anything else. This is about let's start World War three and annihilate all those Russians.
Speaker 2:Those are are evil people that I've hated all my life. World War one, Serbia versus, you know, Austria. Kill the arts too. These hatreds are there. And anybody that's been in those regions, you know I mean, I was called in by Yugoslavia Years ago before it all broke up.
Speaker 2:And they were like, oh, you know, they killed 600 of us and threw us in a common grave. And I thought I missed something on the news. I said, oh, really? When did this happen? Oh, about seven hundred years ago.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. That one. You know? I mean, they just remember these things forever. So let's you know, the only solution is let's understand.
Speaker 2:Those people out there, California and they're woke and all this, you know, and they try to shove it down everybody else's throat. Alright? Do what you wanna do. Separate. Then you can run your world the way you wanna run it.
Speaker 2:Okay? Don't force your ideas upon somebody else. And it like I said, it's it's like a religion. You know? Do you know?
Speaker 2:Okay. Fine. So if we get, you know, Islam becomes a majority, do they then have the right to force all the Christians to abandon their religion? You know, we have to understand these things have been going on for thousands of years. And so, unfortunately, we have already crossed the Rubicon.
Seth Holehouse:And so looking at a potential, you know, splitting up of America, Do you think so a couple questions, and I'll I'll try to make them concise and easy to to remember. But so I guess two questions. A, what would that split look like in your opinion? And then, b, would that just weaken America, and then the enemies are trying to collapse America would then be able to focus on a couple smaller, you know, a smaller, say, governments or whatever is established after that? Would that be weaker, or would it potentially be stronger?
Seth Holehouse:Because maybe perhaps a split would be involve a casting off of the federal government and reestablishing governance of these particular regions that would perhaps not be a government that is selling out our country and and and destroying it proactively. So I guess the questions are, what would a split look like, and how that affect the strength of what's left?
Speaker 2:You have basically two choices in here. One is you you take the the South and and the and the North in the civil war. If somebody would have sat down and said, okay. Fine. We understand.
Speaker 2:If we free all the slaves, your economy's dead. Alright. So let's do a transition. If you understand the other side, we there wouldn't have been a war. Alright?
Speaker 2:But it's like, no, you're gonna do this to me, and I'm gonna do this to you. So it's like two guys fighting in a bar room, you know? We have to understand that the left cannot possibly live with the right. Because the left is sold to these people that they are the victim. And therefore, I cannot rise because you have more money than me.
Speaker 2:This is is the core of Marxism. It's you know, he was influenced by the French, but he also had read Aristotle. And Aristotle didn't quite understand it. And and after basically, you know, Babylon fell, the financial capital was moving to Athens. And then he called them people who made money from money.
Speaker 2:Okay. They started saying, okay, fine. You know, if you grow some more wheat, I can sell it to this guy over here. So it what Athens did and what Aristotle was against, what he didn't understand, was that what I call a villa economy, where you had your own little farm, whatever, and everything was self sustained. Alright?
Speaker 2:So suddenly, these people who made money for money, telling you to grow more and I can sell it. So they created a marketplace. You know, insurance began, all things because of this. Okay? Now we're gonna start shipping grain and sell it to other countries.
Speaker 2:Well, now you you need ships. You need insurance companies. All this developed. So, you know, Aristotle was was offended because it was changing the culture of Athens. Alright?
Speaker 2:And was going from this villa type economy to a market economy. And that kind of inspired, you know, Marx to some degree that, oh, well, you're just the the worker. Okay, and gave no credit whatsoever to like Henry Ford, who came up with the idea of an assembly line and created, oh, he's evil because he's got so we have to understand that government always tries to expand its power. Because government is not the solution to anything. They were always basically the instigator of things.
Speaker 2:I suggest watching the movie Mr. Jones, when communism was failing instantaneously. They seized all the the the farms, etcetera, in the state. Now it's like some guy in DMV is gonna decide when to plant corn, you know. So everything started failing.
Speaker 2:So then he stole the the food from Ukraine to pretend that, you know, it was still surviving. And this is our problem because centralized government, doesn't matter what you wanna call it. I mean, it's it's what century you're looking at. It never survives because one size does not fit all. Period.
Speaker 2:And it's gotten worse in our time because of this idea of socialism. You know? Oh, okay. Fine. Now we have the right to decide what you're gonna do with your body.
Speaker 2:Alright? So and and everything, you know I mean, you look at it, in all honesty, it gets to be crazy. You you know, you might wanna look up Russia. You know, they even put on a tax if you wore a beard. You know?
Speaker 2:They need money. They come up with all kinds of crazy things. It's this is just the way it is. So we're gonna have to look at this. We can separate without violence.
Mel K:Alright?
Speaker 2:If somebody stands up in the middle and and says, okay. Fine. Here's the problem. You're never gonna win, and you're never gonna win. So let's, you know, agree to disagree.
Speaker 2:And what do we split? Or else, it's gonna be violent like the American Civil War, and they're gonna resort to violence to force the other side to comply to their idea. You know, it's I mean, when Russia you know, they they staged a coup against Gorbachev because it was they were afraid he was gonna join NATO in '91. That's when Yeltsin stood on the tank. And, basically, all the the army was there.
Speaker 2:And he said, don't fire on your own people. And they didn't. Once they didn't, okay, fine. They the coup failed. Alright?
Speaker 2:Had they done so, then the coup would have been in place. So often it is you know, it it it will reside upon the army. And if you look at Rome and what we're at right now, it probably, Rome is a better example. You saw the army split in one general against another general, etcetera, because these ideas are so starkly different. And, you know, it's there is no compromise.
Speaker 2:I mean, you look at California. Oh, well, if a child may may think that they want to change their sex, the teacher's not supposed to tell the parent. Well, you know, if you have sex with somebody that's 17 years old, they're not intelligent enough to make a decision to have sex. So therefore, that's child molesting. Alright?
Speaker 2:But you can be 10 years old and decide you wanna change your sex. I mean, you know, come on. I mean, what's you know, it you know, the line moves back and forth every which way from Sunday, you know, depending on what you want to to achieve. But it if we understand the end result must be a split, There's no other way around this. Okay?
Speaker 2:You know, it it that was my I know what I was telling RFK. I mean, I would have preferred him to be to take attorney general. I said, fine. You can go in there. You can change all the rules you want, you know, for vaccines, this, that, and the other thing.
Speaker 2:And then what happens? Next election, Democrats get in, change all the rules again. Nothing's permanent.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. And and that's, like, that's my exact concern is that so right now, obviously, as we're heading into the election, there's a lot of people putting a lot of weight on Trump getting in. Okay. Hey. He he's gonna come in, he can change things.
Seth Holehouse:And the way I see it is that unless he got in and fundamentally dismantled the current way this country's running, then he may you know, if he gets in and just changes some things and, you know, you know, drains the swamp as much as he can and, you know, in four years, then he's out and and somebody else is back in. It it doesn't change anything. It it's actually it's not fundamentally fixing things. Like, the only way that I see and this is where it gets into very, you could say, risky territory because these are big changes, is that it's like the the it's almost like our country is a cancer patient. The bones, even the bones are are fully rotted inside.
Seth Holehouse:And so this two party system, this process is not something that can actually change anything. It's the the the deep state. Everything about it is just it's too it's permeated too much of our society, not to mention all the illegals that can have come in. Do you really think they're gonna just you know, Trump's gonna get in, and they can just go round them all up? Well, they're all they're heavily armed.
Seth Holehouse:They're gonna resist. Like, that right there is a reason we're gonna have civil war, right, of the illegals versus the military or whatever it looks like. And so the only way I see this, like, say, Trump actually affecting change that can fundamentally change things is if he, you know, in a lot of ways, does, you know, does the actions that they would call, you know, it's, like, dictator or tyrannical, which would be, like, saying, look. This system is so broken. It needs to be rebuilt, you know, because this, you know, swapping left versus right and getting a new president every eight years, it it's in a lot of ways, think it's just it's trapping us.
Seth Holehouse:It's preventing us from actually looking at the real root, you know, root issues in this country. And so, it's it's hard to yeah. I mean, I guess I could say that in lot of ways, I'm in the same boat as you is that I don't see a way that we can just get a different president and and drain the swamp and and we've fixed America. Right? Because that's not really getting rid of the real enemies or really solving the root problems.
Seth Holehouse:It's not kinda like changing your medication, but you're not addressing the the tumor that you have.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Look. You're you're correct in this party politics thing. This started very, very early. And with the Federalists versus, you know, Jefferson's Democratic Republic.
Speaker 2:Alright? And eventually, I mean, it was the same kind of issue. The Federalists wanted absolute power from a centralized control. All right? And Jefferson argued for states' rights.
Speaker 2:All right? So the centralized control of the Federalist Party collapsed. Alright? That's what happens all the time. To me, the only hope that Trump would win is that he's at least not a party politician.
Speaker 2:And at that point, it would take somebody perhaps like him to say, look. The solution here is to split. Our computer warns that this election may be the last one anyhow. The country is so divided. I mean, you I I saw a poll recently that said that 70% of California wants to separate if Trump wins.
Speaker 2:You know, good riddance. I mean, go, please. You I mean, the only other solution is is violence. That's it. And, unfortunately, I think, regardless of who wins this election.
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Speaker 2:We're gonna see serious of unrest because the country's so divided. We cannot stand. That's just what Abraham Lincoln said. A country divided cannot stand. There there is no saving this republic.
Speaker 2:Republics are always the most corrupt form of government anyhow. And and people don't understand how corrupt this really is. And when you're voting, you're not voting for what Camilla says or what Trump said. You're really not. Alright?
Speaker 2:I mean, I could run for for congress, tell you whatever you wanna hear. I'll save the whales. I'll do this. Whatever. Then I get there.
Speaker 2:And and day one, there's a meeting. Okay. You this is how you're gonna vote. And just look at all the votes. They're down party line.
Speaker 2:Somebody in the back room says, this is what our position is gonna be, and you will vote. And if you don't, you know, you're you're punished. I mean, they've been changing some rules, but, you know, Bonner basically was retaliating against people that didn't agree with him, and he'd remove them from committees. So you you have to you can't stand on the floor and make a make a motion. All motions gotta come through a committee.
Speaker 2:It is so rigged. I mean, it's not salvageable. So the only hope I have is that Trump and RFK or at least not politicians and are from the outside looking in. Alright? So they are more likely to change anything than somebody that's part of it.
Speaker 2:Peer pressure, you know, etcetera. But the only solution here is is, like I said, you know, not changing the rules because next party gets in and they change it. You know, it's we have to sit down and say, okay, fine. Look, this country is so divided. It's not gonna work.
Speaker 2:All right. Same thing with Ukraine. I mean, Kyiv is where the Russians began. So half the country over there are, you know, have Russians like in the Donbas. They've been there for hundreds of years.
Speaker 2:So suddenly, Zelenskyy says, oh, you can no longer speak Russian. You have to change your religion to Christmas will be now be December 25 as in the West. You're not allowed to to do it on you're you're and people wonder why there's a civil war. You know? I mean, you can't do this sort of thing.
Speaker 2:If if France stood up and said, we're gonna outlaw French, I think Quebec would move against them. Or could we stand up and say, you can no longer speak Spanish in The United States? I mean, what's gonna happen? You can't do this sort of thing. Alright?
Speaker 2:So I look. The centralized government is the real issue, and that's the federalization and where they decree what it's going to be from Washington. And everybody has to do the same thing. And it does not work. That's why Europe's falling apart as well.
Speaker 2:And so,
Seth Holehouse:you know, I guess one question I have is, what does work? Because let's just say that, hypothetically, we had a a true thing where everything that was happening in the country was a reflection of the votes of the people. Right? Where you you bypass a lot of this massive bureaucracy, and it's like, okay. Do we wanna go to war?
Seth Holehouse:We're gonna vote on it. Right? So if it really is, pardon me, the the will of the people where every vote is counted. But the problem with that, though, is that if the enemies seize control of the media, well, which they have, then the media itself can dictate the will of the people. And and so it's like the only thing I look I look back on it is okay.
Seth Holehouse:What could potentially work is that, you know, go looking back at, like, ancient China where they had an emperor that had the mandate of heaven, right, where it was recognized that, you know, the people there there was a belief that there was a divine, and that divine, you know, gave the responsibility to the emperor. And, of course, there are bad emperors, but they're good emperors. Like, I just can't like, looking around and and seeing all of the corruption and the dishonesty and looking especially looking at the media, right, and seeing how seized it is and how it's full of lies and hatred, I I can't envision a system that would work. And it's you know, and I know that you've studied the rise and fall of, you know, civilizations and empires throughout history more than, you know, probably anyone else I've interviewed. I so, like, what what could work?
Seth Holehouse:Like, what could be established? Let's say America was split into two, right, a and b, and say b was much more the conservatives. What kind of governance would even work in a way that it couldn't be corrupted because the constitution, the constitutional republic that we're in right now that was supposed to be established to protect us from the tyrannical government that we're now experiencing, as you can see, as we all can see that even this government has turned completely corrupt and tyrannical. So as great as the constitution was and the bill of rights and all that, it lasted for a while, but now it's it's on its way out with with a tyrannical regime that's looking for every excuse to change the amendments, you know, pack the supreme court, etcetera. Folks, far too many veterans who served our country honorably are now homeless or at risk of becoming homeless.
Seth Holehouse:Glenda Williams is a US army veteran who faced homelessness along with her five children. Glenda was struggling to keep up with her rent and basic living expenses. She lived in a dilapidated unit with rodents, molds, broken windows, and a broken electrical appliances. The Tunnel to Towers Foundation's homeless veteran program provided Glenda with not just shelter, but also a safe and secure environment where she and her children can thrive. So Glenda has since returned to school to pursue a degree, and her children are excelling in their studies.
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