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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Holhouse. So joining me today is one of the original disinformation dozen. If you remember around the time of COVID, there were 12 people that were identified as the extreme threats to the agenda, the extreme people that were out spreading disinformation, the vaccines were bad, the masks weren't helpful, that the pandemic was a scam, and this man is Sayer Gee. So he's been a powerful force in the alternative health, you know, place for a very, very long time, for a couple of decades.
Seth Holehouse:He is the chairman of the Global Wellness Forum. He is highly involved in what's happening with a lot of the geoengineering bills across the nation, and he's just a powerful voice for truth, someone who's unapologetic about speaking the truth about the lies that we've been told. And so in this interview today, we'll be diving into a handful of topics, but most notably, the recent tweet by RFK junior talking about how the MMR vaccine is the most effective way to deal with measles, which is strange to say the least that it goes against so many other instances and so many other conversations, interviews, books, articles that he's been involved with that basically says the exact opposite. So we're gonna try to make sense of that and ask the question of, you know, has the MAHA movement been betrayed? But we're also gonna get into a huge update on what's happening with the Jew engineering bills, what's happening with what's going on in our skies, talking a lot about that.
Seth Holehouse:And then getting into some more, you know, deeper far reaching philosophical aspects of the time that we're living in, and, you know, how what form Satan is taking in this current world to to rule society, and how his agenda is collapsing. So please enjoy this interview with Sayer G. Sayer, it is such an honor to finally have you on my show. It's, been following you for quite some time, and here we are. So thank you for being here with us today.
Speaker 2:Thanks so much, Seth. I've been following you too and just really enjoy your work, and it's an essential way that we, you know, now overcome the, censorship borg and, you know, the the the one view that they're trying to put out there. So thank you so much.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, absolutely. It's in interesting because we're, rebuilding our website right now, and I had to go back and recategorize every show that I've done as part of the process. And I was looking back on the the different topics and everything, and, you know, I started off with much more of a, you know, political, geopolitical slant, but then very quickly got into the medical freedom. And I feel very grateful for that because I I I just think that that's one of the most important topics possible. And I've gotten to know over the years so many brilliant people like yourself that have been on the forefront of of this fight.
Seth Holehouse:And so I'm just I'm very thankful that I've got access to people like you and doctor Brian Artis and all these these brilliant minds, to have these conversations with. So it's, yeah, again, it's great to be here with you today.
Speaker 2:Thanks, Seth. And it's always amazing to look back and consider how politicized very basic health advocacy has become, like as simple as breathing without a mask used to get you quite a lot of hate from the left, for example, that my body, my choice folks, now things are just so hard to pin down. But I think medical freedom is a trans partisan issue, and so now we're starting to see a unification process that feels really good.
Seth Holehouse:It does. And so a lot of what I wanna talk about was a few things. You know, we definitely wanna I wanna hit geoengineering. You've been very involved with that. But I wanna start with looking at the MAHA movement.
Seth Holehouse:And I I know that you, along with a bunch of other folks, have been, you know, quietly working behind the scenes to help facilitate a lot of the you know, taking the ideals, of MAHA and trying to get it, you know, pushed into what's happening with HHS and and, you know, within the White House and everything. And I think that there is this so much hope coming into the election, and once, you know, Trump brought in RFK junior, and there's all this discussion. Oh my gosh. He's gonna, like, crack down on day one. They're gonna prosecute, you know, Pfizer, and there's all the you know, these ideas.
Seth Holehouse:And, of course, those ideas often don't match the timelines and and the reality of of, you know, just day to day life. But I wanna call attention to a recent tweet that Kennedy put out. So he's talking about the the measles, right, the quote, unquote measles crisis, in Texas. But this last paragraph here, when he says, in early March, I deployed a CDC team to bolster local and state capacity for responses across multiple Texas regions, supply pharmacies and Texas run clinics with needed MMR vaccines and other medicines and medical supplies, work with local schools, you know, etcetera, etcetera. But this this is the key sentence that everyone's focusing on for right, you know, the right reasons.
Seth Holehouse:He says, the most effective way to prevent the spread of measles is the MMR vaccine. Now this is someone who's been on camera before, multiple times saying the exact opposite thing, even saying that he wouldn't even get his his own children, the MMR vaccine. And I know that a lot of the people that I'm following actually will bring up one of the most kind of big voices, Dell Bigtree, who's, you know, very close to RFK as we've seen. He says, your post got cut off. The MMR is also one of the most effective ways to cause autism as witnessed by millions of parents worldwide and covered up by the CDC's fraudulent study at the heart of this documentary.
Seth Holehouse:That his tweets got, you over 8,000, likes on it. So I I just I would love to hear your thoughts on this because it's such a careful issue, and I I understand I I wanna give RFK junior at least some benefit of the doubt and understand that, like, he is taking on the world's largest drug cartel. Right? He's not taking on a corporation. He might as well be taking on, like, a mega, mega conglomerate of, you know, Mexican cartels and gangs and MS thirteen.
Seth Holehouse:Like, that's the the evil that he's up against. But at the same time, he also, you know, really helped Trump win the the the position that he's in because of the massive support that he had, especially around his health freedom. And he's published books and, you know, children's health defense. There's so much work that he's done that it just feels like there's a massive betrayal going on. And I would I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a really important topic. And the way I see it is that really what we're witnessing is really more of a self betrayal because he has already put out so much content that clearly rebuts and contradicts that statement. It just seems like such a pre manufactured talking point, just sort of something that doesn't even really sound like it was done by himself. And so I think there is legitimate reason why people are upset and even outraged. And in fact, what I've noticed in the news cycle, it's actually the pharma folks that are celebrating and even more upset at him because they're saying, all along, we've been saying this and now there's two dead children, right?
Speaker 2:Because you didn't say it sooner. So it's been very interesting to watch, given that you can die with a measles diagnosis, not from it. And of course, as we all saw during the COVID psychological operation, I mean, many millions were given a PCR test that wasn't even designed to identify infectious lethal particles and then told that they basically succumbed to COVID when it was even the jabs that were killing them. So we've all gone through that. And so we've now seen the supposed victims of measles, the parents speak out about what actually happened and it looked like iatrogenic caused death.
Speaker 2:Bobby's in a really difficult place. And on the other side of it, he's already put out enough clear information showing that that statement is not actually accurate and that, no, that's not how we address the measles in terms of it is not the most effective way to prevent the transmission of measles. In fact, MMR vaccine is a live vaccine If you even subscribe to conventional germ theory, we know that it will cause the symptoms of measles in those who are vaccinated and we know it can shed. And we know that the CDC doesn't actually do genotyping before they announce that this is a measles patient, right? They actually just do PCR and serology, which are not accurate indicators of if it's a vaccine strain or wild type.
Speaker 2:So yeah, from the outside in, it's really difficult to watch this. It's hard to defend. I wouldn't defend it. I just think that we're seeing the machinations of the machine and just how it works, and it's gruesome. It's the sausage being made in front of our eyes.
Speaker 2:I was at both hearings and it was very difficult to be in that room to hear him say, I will support the CDC vaccine schedule. He said it and I don't think any of us in the room wanted to hear that. I think many of us believe it's strategic. He needed to get Cassidy's support to get into this position. And this was Cassidy really clearly demonstrating his power by getting that statement to be made.
Speaker 2:I don't think any of us should be surprised if we pay careful attention to how he ended up in this position. I will say from my perspective, seeing all the things that he is doing and he is living up to, for example, just yesterday, the huge announcement around fluoride, he said, I think it was on November 2 that the White House would make this statement as soon as the transition of power occurred. But it was not easy. He had to work with the EPA, had to work with all these agencies. I know that he intended to do it immediately.
Speaker 2:And here we are months later and he's actually making extreme progress. So no one is a black or white object. We're humans, we have a shadow, we have a light side, we do the best we can. I can't judge him. You know, I can judge myself if I'm not speaking up and and telling the truth because I'm colluding, for example, but that that's not who I am.
Speaker 2:Know, that's we all have a choice to make here.
Seth Holehouse:I I couldn't agree more. I think that one, you know, again, I'm not I'm not defending him in any way, because, obviously, I I kinda strongly disagree with this stance. And I'm you know, during the hearings, it's like, oh my gosh. He's the CDC schedule. It's like, it's it's it's so bad.
Seth Holehouse:It's so wrong. I I've got two little girls, a one year old and a four year old, and, like, neither of them will ever see a vaccine. I mean, in in the worst they're gonna either gonna have is shedding at the local, you know, gymnastics center or something like that. And, you know, we we've you know, thankfully, we do a lot of different detoxes and that they're doing red light with us, and we're getting a sauna soon. So we do family sauna sessions.
Seth Holehouse:So we're, you know, we're really, really serious about detoxing the ways that we can. Unfortunately, which we'll get into, you know, in a little bit, they walk outside, they're breathing in the same stuff that being injected in the kids' arms from what they're spraying into our sky, which is a whole different issue. But Yeah. You know, looking at at RFK, I think that one thing that I've come to understand is I've really I I think kind of looked at the belly of the beast and understand how, like, the the machinations of the deep state and how things are run is it's so easy for us on the outside look at a politician and say, why that person vote this way or this way, or why they they say that certain statement or whatever it is. But, as I mentioned in the beginning, like, we're not up against corporations that are greedy.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's so much bigger than that. These are, you know, in my opinion, these are kind of Satan's minions at the head of a lot of these corporations and even be they're controlling the heads of corporations, and we have no idea what kind of blackmail, what kind of threats. I mean, it's so easy for me sitting here in the in the comfort of my own home, my environment to say, I would not have done that. I would have done this. But what happens if, you know, before a hearing or before something, I get it, I get someone text me a picture of some guy holding a gun to my daughter's head.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And they say, you're gonna vote this way or else? Like, would I would I still, you know, be like, nope, I'm still gonna vote this way knowing that these people will kill with without even, like, they'll kill this with the same mindset as me, you know, scrubbing my dishes. Right? Like, that's that's what happens.
Seth Holehouse:So I do think that part of this in looking at the overall situation is understanding that the the control mechanisms of these politicians, these people that we're putting our trust into is so, so evil and so deep that it's hard to even come to an accurate idea of what's really going on.
Speaker 2:I agree with you, absolutely. I have a colleague in DC that calls all politicians rentables for the obvious fact that you can just pay for them to do what you want, but that's only the surface layer. I think you're striking to the core of the entire political machine internationally, which is blackmail is a huge force. And then there's even white male, you could say, I mean, the fact that they're giving a presidential medals of honor to some of the folks that many people in America think are mass murderers essentially. That's an example, like they give you these honors and then they also threaten you and they're just these puppets.
Speaker 2:And I don't see Bobby being a puppet. I see him working against some of the darkest of all forces, including the same ones that killed his father and his uncle. I think we all know that, having Kennedy in this position and for him to try to build a legacy that not only he but everyone can feel proud of. He did represent for decades the voiceless, when no one was with a platform speaking to the autism epidemic as a clear example of brain damage, then Bobby was still the one that shouldered that for many. Yeah, I mean, everyone has their history and I imagine, he said it during his campaign, if all the skeletons in his closet voted for him, there would be no problem getting elected.
Speaker 2:So, he's about as honest, I think, as he can be about his past. But like I said, it's like watching sausage being made. And of it's idealization rupture in politics. You wanna believe that someone's gonna save you and that that's the whole fricking point. In fact, at the Global Wellness Forum, one of the things that our co founder Doctor.
Speaker 2:Ed Group came up with a while ago. In fact, in 2019, he first used the phrase make America healthy again. So it's been into zeitgeist, no one really owns it, even though it's been trademarked, but he's like, make yourself healthy again. And that's something that we believe is that we have to take radical responsibility for our health.
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Speaker 2:And then not wait for the nanny state even through some MAHA executive order to, like, force us to eat cabbage on a Tuesday, right, with our programmable whatever. You know, like, we still need to maintain sovereignty, you know, on a local state level. And I'm grateful that there's a Maha Commission. I think that there's a great opportunity, but we we have to force it into alignment with those values that we hold dear.
Seth Holehouse:I I couldn't agree more. And and that's what I've come to with, really, whatever it is. I think it goes back to a lot of what General Flynn has talked about. Right? When he he's he's kinda consistently said local action equals national impact.
Seth Holehouse:Right? It's just like, well, you have to start within the realm of what you can control, Because I can tell you that I'm not, you know, being blackmailed. I'm not owned by some alpha agency and and and, you know, with with some puppet strings. I'm just a father and a husband, and and I'm just, doing this out of my own will to try to make good, you know, do good in the world. But I've got control over my own environment.
Seth Holehouse:I can choose to not give my kids vaccines. I can choose to raise our chickens and to grow food. And I think this is really what, you know, I interviewed Ed Group recently, and he talked about MAIHA. Right? It's make yourself healthy again.
Seth Holehouse:I think that's what a lot of it, you know, what it really comes back to for me. It's just like, I have to figure out how to control the things that I can control. Like, right now, actually, I'm on day five of, at group's liver cleanse. Right? So, like, thankfully, I haven't had to run to the bathroom yet, but, you know, like, we're we're we're very serious about doing the things that we can control.
Seth Holehouse:But I think that's actually a good segue into, the chemtrails because this is the one thing that, of all of the different initiatives and the different ways they're poisoning us, it's like, can stop buying heavily processed, you know, GMO, pesticide laden foods. I can not give my kids aspirin or ibuprofen, but instead give them, you know, some sort of, you know, arnica tea or something, you know, if if they're having an issue. Like, I can choose to do all these different things for our health. However, I go outside and they're spraying in the skies, and I see, you know, that night, my little four year old's got a runny nose or she's coughing because it's a really heavy spraying day. We also have, you know, Mike Adams just came out with the the research from the data samples from Jane Ruby that she sent to him.
Seth Holehouse:This we know this stuff is just full of of all kinds of heavy metals and even some sort of, like, strange biological things going on. And so, like, in my opinion, you know, again, even if we're giving RFK his scorecard, the fact that he has even publicly acknowledged chemtrails and and talked about getting behind and having HHS support what's happening with him, I to me, it's like, In the area, I think, is probably one of the most important areas, he you know, he's he's putting the effort there. So I know you've been, you're heavily involved in this effort, and I've shared your content recently on a couple different shows talking about the geoengineering bills and everything. So, I guess I'll I'll hand it to you to just to kind of what are you seeing happening right now with geoengineering and and where's your where's your head go here?
Speaker 2:Well, first of all, agree with you. Like, as far as the geoengineering and weather modification issue, the fallout is so toxic and ubiquitous that it preempts any MAHA advocacy we know of. And then that's why when Bobby came out on March 23, in response to a post I put up just announcing at that point, there were 24 states that had filed bills looking to get disclosure, to put an end to some of these practices. He stated, basically this is a movement every MAHA needs to support, HHS will do its part, which was very significant because he did it on his personal account where it explicitly says this is his personal view. It doesn't represent the executive branch signaling support.
Speaker 2:But what he did essentially is he said, no, actually this is something we're taking too hard. And that to me was like an incredible moment. So what that means to me is that not only are we seeing these at this point, 32 states who've drafted legislation to seriously look for disclosurean end to this. And there's actually three other states that were discussing helping them with their bills because this is a crowd sourced effort, like we don't really know exactly what we're up against, but I can tell you that it's pretty clear that between cloud seeding, aviation induced artificial clouds full of essentially chemicals. So metals, therefore you could call them chemtrails and then stratospheric aerosol injection and other actually radio frequency microwave or what you call non native EMF weather technologies, it's a nightmare.
Speaker 2:Everyone sees it. They can't gaslight us any longer. Like it has to be a primary issue for our country and for the world because these are sovereign skies in theory. We want them to be blue again. And there is absolutely an international coordinated effort through clandestine operations to basically take control of our planet's weather under the ages of preventing carbon induced global warming too.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's just the absurdity of the narrative is just beyond. So anyway, so instead of looking at anthropogenic pollutants and toxicants as the primary cause of these changes, we're looking at carbon really, and we're classifying carbon as a toxic substance. And then if you look at the metals in just aviation exhaust, it's insane. It covers pretty much everything you'd find in that recent sample that Doctor. Ruby and Mike Adams found.
Speaker 2:But it doesn't account for the well known clandestine operations that have also been conducted against civilians, including as you probably know, the recent diffuse DARPA ECO Health program that was revealed in a FOIA disclosure showing what essentially is technologies that would use things like drones to deploy self amplifying antigens in certain regions so that of course they can simulate what is essentially a pseudo pandemic. So, all these things are coming out now, thanks to the internet, the Fifth Estate, free speech coming alive again. And, it's amazing to see Bobby again, who's not a perfect human, obviously. He's really made a lot of people rightfully upset over the MMR comment. But on the other side of it, it's clear he is working on our behalf to try to get something to happen here.
Seth Holehouse:And so when you when you're taking look at what's happening with these chemtrails, I mean, it's it's I guess, you know, it goes so far beyond, you know, chemical trails. Right? It goes so far beyond, okay, there's these lasting trails that, you know, they cover the sun. Well, it's like, okay, well, that's part of it, right, is they they cover the sun. The other part is that, obviously, they're they're we're being dials with chemicals.
Seth Holehouse:The other part is that they're putting these these metals into the clouds that then react to EMFs and back to radio frequencies, then they these clouds can be controlled and hurricanes can be paused over certain regions, they can be redirected. And so when you, when you kind of break down what what you think what you see as being the bigger agenda behind the the chemicals being put into the skies, what do you what do you pull away from that? What do you think like, what do you think are some of the key reasons why, like, they've been so persistent? And also, I'd say, at least in my own opinion, why it seems like they've ramped up. Like, I feel like the chemtrails I'm seeing now are two, three, five, 10 times more intensive than what I saw five years ago.
Speaker 2:Well, I can thank both Dane Wigginton and Jim Lee for helping me to better understand like what's actually happening. I think Dane has really dialed in awareness around just how the effects are so runaway that, I mean, in many ways it's depressing talking to Dane, but I really appreciate him. He's really helping to wake people up because it is that severe. So he's focused on the spraying operations, if you will, right? Whereas Jim Lee and his colleagues are focused on what is essentially artificial cloud cover, which is being caused by aviation fuel, which is not being regulated appropriately that contains sulfur, black soot and a lot of the metals that we know are acting to act as, nucleating agents for these clouds.
Speaker 2:So I ran into this work in 2014 because of a documentary filmmaker, David Dowell, who wrote about and actually published a documentary about the effect that artificial clouds are having on global temperatures. In fact, after the nineeleven planes being grounded, there was a dramatic shift in global temperatures. And that was the first time that we had the data point we needed to say, okay, well, aviation is actually contributing to a lot of what we're seeing. And so I defer to Jim on that topic. Climate viewer does incredible job of looking at all the elements involved in basically commercial aviation chemtrails.
Speaker 2:Okay. Cause the semantic is semantics are what people are getting upset about. They're like, well, no, it's water vapor. Okay. And then others are saying, no, it's full of the metals.
Speaker 2:If you actually look at, single particle emission of an exhaust from a commercial plane, you'll find the same metals you'll find in some of the tests that are being done on the chemtrails proper. So it's a lot going on in terms of trying to figure out how to message around this, but essentially all the operations are occurring simultaneously. And we have an opportunity right now to basically get disclosure on this and to seek both state and federal level inquiry. We're calling for a congressional inquiry through my nonprofit. I co founded Stand for Health Freedom.
Speaker 2:We have something like 35,000 emails have been sent by constituents thus far to call for a congressional inquiry. I think that's probably time for that given how the states are clearly messaging that, listen, the majority of Americans are making this a priority. Bobby HHS secretary has signaled his support. We're waiting obviously for Trump, maybe an executive order. I hope that's in the works.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think it's a really powerful moment for this.
Seth Holehouse:And what do you think is the most impactful thing that we can do? Because when I see this, I think, Okay, what can I do? Obviously, I think one of the keys from my perspective is make every American aware of this. Right? Like, that's one thing.
Seth Holehouse:Actually, I think I I was just I wrote down an idea. I'm I'm gonna put a T shirt that says make skies blue again. Right? Okay. We're gonna start selling T shirts, make skies blue again.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Maybe I'll buy the domain and have a little, you know, kinda campaign. But, like, I think that, like, in in your opinion, because you're you're seeing what's happening at the more the state level, not the federal level yet. Though, I guess, you know, Bobby does represent some action at the federal level towards this. But, like, how do we move this forward?
Seth Holehouse:Because there are certain people that have said, oh, well, the state bills are it's they're kind of just they're kinda shut us up, but they're not gonna actually change anything because it's at the federal levels. But what do you think? What can we do? Well, how can we make this how can we make this change happen?
Speaker 2:Well, think it's a really amazing moment because there is intense pressure on politicians now to look into this issue and to actually investigate it. So we've had, how many has it been, Four committee meetings in Tallahassee on our bill here in Florida. And initially many, and not surprisingly, it was the Democrats were like, this is conspiracy theory crap, we won't even look at it. And over time, because we had expert witnesses come in and we started to actually get them to think about the problem, they started to realize, wow, this is actually something we have to take seriously. And so the rhetoric shifted from this being conspiracy theory to an issue around pollution as well as transparency.
Speaker 2:I mean, until we know what's going on, you can't really accurately ascertain whether it's a problem or not. So we have that support now. DeSantis signaled strongly he's gonna support this bill and that's a really huge deal. So, and then it's interesting because I did also draft on my substack a suggested executive order, which was make America's skies blue again. So it's just such a poetic way to articulate what we all need and want.
Speaker 2:If we're gonna be a sovereign country, we all understand what predatory globalism has done. It took out our country. It shut down everything that we held dear. Like how many millions of businesses were destroyed even because of that predatory globalism. Here they're polluting our skies without any kind of remedy.
Speaker 2:So I think it's time for us all to stand up together and make this a really big issue. And so I do think if people go to Stand for Health Freedom, I'm in awe at how the grassroots has used this platform that I was honored to be part creating to even help Bobby get into his present position. We had 150,000 people email through our digital advocacy platform, creating customized messages to their senators and they didn't know what hit them. They were shocked. They were like, who is this guy?
Speaker 2:Like, are the phone systems crashed right now? And it was really because of just incredible grassroots pressure. So I know that if enough people stand up and speak up on this topic, we will get the executive branch to pay attention. I do think that Trump, he did actually about a month ago, he said, they're spraying something. Is this related to the autism epidemic?
Speaker 2:That was the first time I've actually heard him acknowledge, right, that there's something going on. And that was, I was like, all right, let's keep putting the pressure on and educating.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. I'm listening to clip going around, and it was it's like, well, there's only one thing he could really be talking about. I mean, if if you, it's it's even like there's a clip that he's talking about the, the wildfires right on California where he was implying that something else is going on here. And so, again, like, we can hope. Right?
Seth Holehouse:We can hope that what we're doing is reaching him. And and I do think that I do think that we we are. You know, he's someone that as much as we could, you know, analyze, okay, what are the different controlling factors and, you know, who has blackmail on him and what why is he, you know, this way towards certain countries? I mean, of course, it's like at that level, everyone's bat you know, fighting those battles, but I do fundamentally believe that he he does care about the will of the people. Now he may not be doing everything we want him to do.
Seth Holehouse:Like, I would love for him to come out tomorrow and say, look, I will acknowledge operation warp speed was a disaster, and, you know, we've got millions of people that have been, you know, killed, injured, etcetera. There's like, I'd love to see, some sort of, you know, a come to Jesus moment with that, where there's Yeah. Some real honesty going on. But I I do think that he is trying to keep the pulse on on what we're doing. And so I wanna go back just pull up your website right here because so, the URL stand for healthfreedom.com.
Seth Holehouse:What how can this help people? Right? Because this is one thing as I as I mentioned that a lot of people, they want to figure out what they can do. And walk us through what this website does. I wanna give people the tools to make change.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So since 02/2019, my co founder who's an advisor at greenmedinfo.com, that was my original advocacy. And then Leah Wilson, who was a foster parent actually who had her children taken from her because she wouldn't comply with the vaccine schedule. It was like this cosmic moment of intersection in 2019, we realized we needed to create a health freedom platform. And we had a colleague, Josh Del Sol actually who did the five gs summit with me, who discovered there was this thing called voter voice software and major lobbying firms were using it, even the IRA.
Speaker 2:So we used it ourselves and basically we're able to get, what is it? 5,500,000 actions so far since 2019 with 72 legislative wins that we played a key part in. And then more recently, like I said, at the Capitol, it was just awe inspiring to see the support for Bobby and how close it was. Like it was thirty minutes before the vote and Cassidy was a no. There had to be, all these things came together, back channeling, grassroots overrunning the gates, it was like incredible what happened and that's how he ended up getting in.
Speaker 2:So it's just an awe inspiring thing to witness that we actually have somewhat of a representational democracy occurring in our constitutional republic, that these things are happening again. It's like truly a 1776 moment again for our country and for the world. We had over 100 different countries with respondents supporting the petition to get him in as HHS Secretary. So the whole world's watching. I mean, what happens here is gonna affect the entire world and there's no greater advocacy when it comes to any right than bodily sovereignty and health freedom.
Speaker 2:You can't have any other right if they can penetrate you with a deadly intervention against your will, you know, or take your children from you because you won't do that. So, you know, this is our 1776 as far as I'm concerned.
Seth Holehouse:I couldn't agree more. And so when someone comes to the website, I can see that scrolling down here, you've got a see there was a, one on the Kim Trail. Right? Call to action. So, right here, for instance, what can people do, with this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's a good one because that enables them to contact their senators and reps directly through the form, and they can do a customized variation of our message. And it sends it right directly to them. Their staffers and their political machinery takes notice. It has a significant impact.
Speaker 2:And often we find them reaching out to us, we provide them other briefing materials, other essential information that they wouldn't otherwise know where to get. So, we have 41 state leaders. It's all grassroots. There's never been any primary funders. We've all put our own money into this in order to keep it going.
Speaker 2:And it's all our advocates on our list. I think we have 700,000 advocates now with micro donations that have kept this thing alive.
Seth Holehouse:Incredible, incredible. And so looking forward, how how do you see health changing here in America? Because I know that you you know, I I I've following you, and you're you're a deep thinker, and then you're, you're you're not so just kind of focused on the the the micro of things. And so, like, well, I guess, looking back since especially since COVID. Right?
Seth Holehouse:There's there's a massive silver lining to COVID in that. A lot of people, I think a lot of people were awakened from a slumber, and the slumber being this almost like a heroin induced numbness, thinking everything's great, and the government's gonna take care of me, and everything is good. I've got my Netflix and my NFL football, and and that that all got shaken up. And I think the first thing was realizing that, wait, my government can actually cross over the lines of the constitution and and force me to wear a mask or attempt to. And so I saw, you know, wait, why these businesses being shut down?
Seth Holehouse:Like, I I know I know that bar owner, he's a good friend of mine, and he's now out of business because of this. And so there's that, then there's the whole the medical freedom aspect of it, the vaccines, and everyone, you know, lot of people going along with the safe and effective, only to find out that they've got a heart condition now, or that they're, you know, 75 year old grandmother died suddenly, or their kid had a stroke. So it's been a massive awakening, but it's also been obviously full of difficulty and struggle, right, which is, I think, one of the most effective tools to create a mass awakening is make people suffer, you know, and and see the the bars that cage around them through that suffering. But looking at where we are right now, trust in big pharma is collapsing. The what I'm seeing the the growth in alternative medicine, people going back to more natural medicine is just skyrocketing.
Seth Holehouse:People now, you know, if they've got early cancer diagnosis or even they suspect they have it, they're going towards chlorine dioxide, red light therapy, ivermectin, phenobenzal, they're so they're seeing this huge shift happening, but from like that that really big bird's eye view, you know, a bird that was had a clear eye of things, not a chemtrail, clouded vision up in the sky.
Speaker 2:That's a good one.
Seth Holehouse:But from that bird's eye view, where do you see things going and and what what gives you hope? What are you looking forward to?
Speaker 2:Well, mean this was the greatest wake up call we could have ever asked for actually in the windows of the so called pandemic. Because, I mean, I even can think of a passage in Revelations that kept coming to mind. I think many of us in the apocalypse or the unveiling that occurred was at the end of times, the merchants of the world will deceive the nations through their pharmacea. And I've been writing about this for years. I actually wrote an article called Drug Based Medicine, Is It a Form of Human Sacrifice?
Speaker 2:And in that I go into the etymology of the word pharmaceutical, which as you probably know, comes from the word pharmakos, it's Greek and it means druggist, poisoner, spell giver. It's a very interesting meaning, but it also had a more ancient meaning to pharmakos, which was basically a human scapegoat. It was usually a slave, a cripple or a criminal that they would either symbolically sacrifice or they would expel them from the community. And so it's so interesting because I was not raised in a biblical tradition, but I have to acknowledge that this is pretty eerie. That's kind of describing what we all went through because I can tell you now that about a thousand times more people
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Speaker 2:Then, you know, I was in the trenches for at least twenty five years on this. Right? And I had UNICEF and the UN target me in 02/2013 for my little blog being a source of global misinformation. So I already knew like what they were gonna deploy against me. I didn't realize it would be so extreme.
Speaker 2:I was on the hit list with Bobby, the disinfo dozen list. They set black operations out on us. They use NatasStratcom to do a documentary about myself and my ex wife just targeting us. I mean, with millions of dollars, like this was like psychological warfare they deployed against people like myself. And all we're doing is advocating for natural health, like, maybe breathe without a mask, get some sunlight, use turmeric for a sore elbow.
Speaker 2:Shouldn't be defined as terrorism, right? And you having a temperature at 102 shouldn't be defined as ground zero for the next global pandemic. They literally weaponize the human body against humanity, claiming that if you have a germ, right, we have a holobiont, we are primarily germ in nature. We're viral, bacterial, fungal. This is what we are.
Speaker 2:And they turned that around, weaponizing germ theory to its greatest extent to where it became a super national biosecurity state that preempted every country's sovereign rights and all their civilians' civil liberties, all because of this sorcery, which again, you could say is pharmesia, goes back to this. So I'm thankful because now there's a thousand times more people in the trenches like myself. Many of us who were kind of taken offline and out saw this resurgence of all these young people, like all speaking the truth finally, we've been doing this for years. And now it's like, it's just commonly understood that we should have informed consent and we should be able to use natural medicine. And it's just an amazing moment.
Speaker 2:It's like a Cambrian explosion of the truth and advocacy around natural health. So I couldn't be more excited to be alive than right now. And we are seeing it. Although Bobby is dealing with the darkest of all machinery on the planet, I can't imagine what it's like to be him in DC in the swamp every day. He's still making progress and we are his accountability partner.
Speaker 2:Our government is our accountability partner. So we are just as much responsible for what happens next as far as I'm concerned because there's people out there attacking me and others cause they're like, oh, look what Bobby said, see he's just controlled and so are you. Really, like what have you done lately other than tweet angrily at your comrades, right? We're all in this together. We're trying to make sure that what happens next, we can all be proud of on behalf of our children, right?
Speaker 2:This is what, you and I, Seth, we got into this for the same reason. When my first child was in her mom's womb, I had to make a decision, am I gonna vaccinate or not? When I looked into it, that was the birth of Green Med Infra. Was like, I cannot believe that even the Cochrane Collaborations cannot confirm that this is safe and effective. This is the thing they're saying we all need and that we have to take otherwise we could lose our civil liberties over it.
Speaker 2:So, you know, the emperor doesn't wear any, the emperor's naked basically. I'm just so glad that more people are seeing it today.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, I couldn't agree more. I want to touch on something you mentioned, because I was, I did a show recently about, you know, pharmakia and and the history of the of the word, and it's interesting because the the two words that I found most commonly associated with the word, were poison and spell. Right? That it was it was a poison, but it was also a spell. And and so okay.
Seth Holehouse:Well, a poison, which we know, and it was it's interesting, obviously, know, doctor Artis has been in the forefront of this. We know that a lot of our medications do have strong ties or are even made directly with or made with synthetic versions of venoms from snakes, Gila monsters, you know, various, you know, creatures that are on Earth, that that venom has been used, in these poisons against us, which it's an inching going back into the Garden of Eden in the original Yeah. The snake. Right? And and and the apple and the the the poison.
Seth Holehouse:And so that's just interesting. But then so if you look at how the the origin of how man was corrupted by Satan was through a serpent. And it was writing a lot of ways through it was the serpent's tongue. It was a spell. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It was the luring spell that was that was cast over, Adam and Eve that so it was pharmakia goes back to the origin of man, right, biblically. And so which is interesting. And so then if you fast forward though, you look at poison and spell. What is a spell? Well, it could it could be a lot of things, but, you know, I think one thing is a spell is something that can hypnotize you.
Seth Holehouse:Right? It can what what's it typically means? Okay. This person has a spell on them. What's it mean?
Seth Holehouse:They're not acting rationally. Something else is controlling them. Right? It's like Lord of the Rings and right? There was the the worm tongue, and it was the the spell over the king.
Seth Holehouse:Right? That, you know, the spell is lifted and he sees clearly. And so if you look at, again, tracing back to the the the apple and the snake and pharmakia into the modern world, you can see actually that the role of propaganda brainwashing, that whole mechanism spell casting, right, through the the tell eye vision with the programming, the programs put into people that spells are alive and well. But then you look at the merger of that with the role of modern medicine, and even how the modern medicine also affects our brain waves, our health, how we see things, you know, being convinced that we need to seek out these medications to help us rebalance our dopamine and become happy again. It's like what you can see is I would say that if I had to name what is the modern day industry that represents Satan, I would say it is pharmaceuticals.
Seth Holehouse:It is Pharmakia. And so the fact that that exact industry of big pharma is, I would say, is in in the early stages of collapsing. They've lost the trust of the public. I mean, they're they're being exposed. Their spells and their poisons are being exposed.
Seth Holehouse:I would say that represents a very significant shift in mankind seeing through Satan. What what do you think?
Speaker 2:I love it. This is my love language. I mean, this is how I make sense of the world really because, essentially when you think about it, allopathy, the primary premise is that the symptoms of your body trying to heal itself are the disease and you try to poison, burn, suppress at any means possible to drive really the condition further in which is usually from poisoning or deficiency of something or from psycho spiritual, I'll call it bone pointing. It's the metaphor from the Aboriginal societies where, you know, if a shaman in the group points to one of the members and says of the tribe, you know, you're cursed, you're going to die tomorrow. The belief structure is such that they go off and they die the next day.
Speaker 2:That's been established to be at the root of the clinical relationship with the white coat wearing priest of the body dispensing sankrasanct scriptures, which is, of course, peer reviewed published research, the basis of scientism, which leads to medical monotheism, which then causes them to burn at the stake as heretics, anyone who deviates from the concept that there's just one approach to treating disease, making it illegal to do the others. I mean, this is a very old story and it's the best way to control people and to gaslight them when you're actually administering treatments that for the most part are causing poisoning and actually worsening their condition. But even in the case of the overriding power of our own minds, it's known as the active placebo is if you're in a study and you're the one who receives the treatment, which is actually a poison, when you feel the poison come on, you're like, oh my God, I'm in the treatment group. And what happens is you actually get a net positive effect from being poisoned just because your own belief structure was already tied to this Eucharistic pill, right? That you think is somehow gonna confer healing in your body.
Speaker 2:And you know what I've diagnosed this to be essentially, Seth, is people are willing to do pretty much anything at a certain point of suffering to heal themselves, all right? So that's not the rate limiting step in healing from any disease. And they're also able to believe differently. They listen to someone like myself after a while, they're like, okay, wow, maybe my conventional drug pushing doctor doesn't actually know everything. But the real issue is they don't feel they deserve it because there's so much intergenerational trauma and social engineering that we're just basically worms, right?
Speaker 2:We just don't deserve healing. And that infinite power people have to heal themselves can be unlocked as soon as they understand that. And that's really the key to a lot of the work I'm trying to do for myself, my family, those who follow me is to help them understand that literally there's not a single condition our body cannot and isn't trying to heal constantly. So for me, allopathy is really more a form of sorcery and we've seen it now deployed where even now how many millions of people have died from the jabs? I mean, some estimates are over two hundred million.
Speaker 2:If theirs is correct and it's only a one percent capture rate and we have two point six million adverse effects and how many of those were deaths? Twenty six thousand, very optimistically, then it's really more like a hundred times that or ninety nine times that. So, I mean, good Lord, we're dealing with, this is more devastation than World War II. And yet still they're trying to pretend as if the people that are calling this out are the cause of actual death on this planet. So, yeah, so the sorcery of allopathy is actually, it's more of a mind virus.
Speaker 2:We either participate in it or we remove our consent as we awaken to the reality. And I'd say, like I said, a thousand times more people are awake than back when I was doing it in the trenches with people like Mercola, Sherry Tenpenny, all the folks that were again put on this list because we were the first and the loudest to call out this operation, you know? So I'm happy that we're here now together doing this, as a global family.
Seth Holehouse:And that's the amazing thing is you you mentioned it, you know, when when you lost your voice from censorship that you saw this new wave of people, and I I think I was in that wave, you know, my my first podcast was back in 2020, and and so, actually, we are, you know, five years later, which it seems like a very short time and a very long time at the same time. But, the the the momentum behind this is is huge. I think that's what's key. Right? Fundamentally, that's what's key is that, in my opinion, actually, there's I always keep a book right here on my desk called, it's called The Crowd by a guy named Gustave Le Bon.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And it was one of the original works. He was a polymath in the eighteen hundreds, and he, was kinda people say he was commissioned by the elites to study basically how to control, like, how to control the population. Right? How to maintain control.
Seth Holehouse:And one of the the the strongest conclusions that he came to was that the the fate of a nation lies in the collective hearts and minds of the people. Like, this is something that he he talks about is that when you see a a civilization collapse or rise or when you see significant changes happen, it's not because of the one figurehead, like the Julius Caesar or the Napoleon. It wasn't because of them that it happened. They were actually a reflection of the state of the hearts and minds of the people. That's why it's called the crowd is that he found that even the crowd itself has more control than the elites trying to control it.
Seth Holehouse:Right? And this I I I keep it because it's this constant reminder that all of us collectively have an infinite amount of more control than even the these trillionaire banking families or the Vatican or the pharmaceutical companies or whatever whatever it is in this enemy that feels like it's, you know, it's Goliath on on steroids with lasers on his shoulders. Right? Like, we us collectively, that's where the power lies, and that's why I'm trying to do what I can to to and again, like, you what you're doing with, you know, the Sanford Health Freedom, like, you've got it. You understood this long ago.
Seth Holehouse:Right? That it's the power of the people collectively that that can make the impact. And so, anyway, it's great to come full circle to this.
Speaker 2:I so appreciate that, Seth, and the incredible work you're doing. So if you started in 2020, you've put out just trillions of messages now in support of this advocacy. Right? When we got taken out, people like you took the baton and now here we come full circle. You know, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 2:The reality is like, Stanford Freedom is actually just one of a number of coalition members. Actually, started out with Doctor. Group and then Marla Maples, someone I've known for years who actually first had the concept of bringing Bobby and Trump together in 2014. And she was the one who actually helped to make sure that there was that opportunity to have Bobby be part of the Vaccine Safety Commission in 2016. But then at the time that they announced, hey, he's gonna do this commission and then Fauci was in the room and no one knew who he was at the time.
Speaker 2:And so the rug got pulled the next day by the deep state. So that timeline got destroyed and we had the whole country locked down, etcetera, and all these people died. And now we're back in this timeline. And so Marla, myself, and Ed, we decided we need to have a place for all our coalition members to be celebrated and honored. And that if someone comes up with a solution or they have an educational material that we need to have a thousand times network effect on, that's what we're gonna do.
Speaker 2:So we've essentially done that. We have an international coalition. We have over 43 countries represented when you look at the different members already. And it's an alternative to, again, to predatory globalism, like you can see what's happening with the WAF and the World Health Organization and NATO, they're all just scrambling now because the power is shifting. But we need something in its place and I feel like that's what we're here to do is make sure that the whole world knows that.
Speaker 2:The way I feel about it, we can't have peace in The United States unless we have world peace. I mean, I'm a bit of a hippie, I'm a little bit of a idealist with that, but that's what we're here for. You you talked to Eddie, he's the same, he's like an Uber hippie, just completely love peace, joy. That's how Marla is. We're gonna hold that.
Speaker 2:We're gonna try to make that happen. So we welcome anybody out there to be part of our coalition who share our values, which are pretty basic.
Seth Holehouse:And it's global wellness forum, right? This is the primary coalition that you're kind of focusing on right now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we even have members. I was just in Korea at the Codex. These are events that TAETRUS goes to, right? It's the UN and the World Health Organization, WTO. And we have a coalition member that has the only non governmental seat at the Codex, where we actually made commentary, basically trying to block their use of, cell grown meat.
Speaker 2:And then of course they're trying to make it. So everyone eats bugs. We were the only ones who said, hold on a sec.
Seth Holehouse:His name again, because I interviewed him like a year and a half ago.
Speaker 2:Oh, you did? Was it Scott tips? Yeah. Really? You did.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. Cause they don't get enough, attention because he's been doing it for twenty years. And so I went with my partner as a delegate and we, spent the whole week there. I was like, okay, are they gonna poison me? Like, is Tejas gonna walk in?
Speaker 2:And it was completely lovely. Everyone seemed fine. They're like, and you know what? I think it has to do with the fact that MAHA has already had an impact. Like people really are starting to see things a little differently and what, you know, president of a NHF Scott Tipps has been doing for twenty years, they're now acknowledging, wow, like much of what he's saying makes sense.
Speaker 2:Some of the heads of the states and the head of the Saudi FDA in Korea, we were all just, you know, having good conversation. Was kind of interesting.
Seth Holehouse:Incredible, incredible. Yeah. How funny, how small these circles end up being. So say, as we're wrapping up, I wanna make sure that I highlight your, Twitter channel. So this is it right here.
Seth Holehouse:I'll put all these links, into the description for the show. So you've got, make sure that, you know, everyone is following you on Twitter, amplifying what you're doing on there. We've got your green med info, your original project and website, which is still alive and well. We've got your substack. We have the global wellness forum, and we've also got the health ad health freedom advocacy center.
Seth Holehouse:So you're obviously a a busy guy. Any kind of final words for people as we're wrapping up here?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just excited that we're in this moment. Know, I do think we have our work cut out for us and I do think that it is about taking radical responsibility for our own health and making sure that we have sources of information like yours, Seth. It's like, we need leaders like you who are anchoring spaces where we can have conversations and even sometimes ones where we might disagree with one another. To me, that's like a very basic ethos that in this new stage of my life, I'm here to make peace and not compromise at the same moment. If that's possible, then I believe it's possible for all politicians in the future.
Speaker 2:I think that the new politics is based on how much integrity you've earned and that's what gives you respect. And that's why Bobby is in this position right now to the degree that he fulfills the mandates and stays in aligned with the values that we all hold dear. He's gonna walk out of this a complete hero, but we can help him by standing up, supporting again, voices platforms like your own and also empowering ourselves. Like we have to take action and at least we found some really good ways to do that with, Stand For Health Freedom and the Global Wellness Forum. So we invite everyone to be part of that, movement.
Speaker 2:Can't do it without you.
Seth Holehouse:Well, Sarah, it's been such a pleasure speaking with you and finally meeting you. Thanks for giving me your time and I look forward to doing this again.
Speaker 2:Same. It'd be an honor. Thank you.
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