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This podcast is for people who want to feel fit, strong, and energised again – but haven’t found a way to make fitness hold when life is busy.
You’ve tried plans that work on paper but fall apart under pressure.
You’ve had periods of momentum, followed by long stretches of drift.
Not because you don’t care.
But because most approaches weren’t built for real life.
On this podcast, we talk about how to build strength, energy, and confidence in your body inside a full life – not an ideal one.
Training that adapts when work ramps up.
Nutrition that stays simple when attention is limited.
Habits that survive travel, stress, family, and changing weeks.
These are honest conversations about systems, mindset, and identity – and how fitness stops slipping to the bottom of the list and starts reinforcing the rest of your life.
We're in business. This feels a bit more premium, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:It does a bit. Oh, I'm looking at the higher. That oh, that's the shot. I was like, oh, that's all socky. That's nice.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, the sock version.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's good.
Speaker 1:And people people always complain that I have dirty socks in my video. Really? And I say You're missing the you're missing the point if you're complaining about having dirty socks.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's what you've picked up on.
Speaker 1:People have said it a few times.
Speaker 2:Can't even We're
Speaker 1:including this by the way. Yeah. This discussion.
Speaker 2:If you are noticing dirty socks in one of your videos, you're a) like a super fan because you watched it enough times that you pick that up.
Speaker 1:It's negative usually. Oh. It's a criticism in the sense of you should focus less more on your laundry and less on your working out, which I think is absolutely ridiculous. For a start, they were clean in the morning, then I'm getting down
Speaker 2:You're not putting on yesterday's socks.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just getting down to business and there's dirt on my socks. Well,
Speaker 2:that's sort it is and maybe they're used to seeing the perfect person who's taken 46 tries to get that one shot of his push up and he's ironed his socks. If you're honest that's just not real.
Speaker 1:Certain force will be dirty, so
Speaker 2:Well, mean, you're yeah, you've missed the point. Yeah. And then but that's also a sign of like perfectionist world, right?
Speaker 1:And excuses.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Of like, well, you know, if he hasn't got the freshest trainers on, how is he possibly gonna run? If he's not like, yeah, his hair isn't done, then he's not actually looking at how could he be a leader unless everything's perfect? Yeah. And who's that?
Speaker 1:The other one I've noticed is one of the biggest videos that I posted was doing a workout in the kitchen and you'll notice there's a lot of content where I would train in my kitchen, in the old house, which is where I used to train, and people would say, Oh, I can't do that in my kitchen because of XYZ, as a full excuse. It's like, This is not made for me.
Speaker 2:The brilliant part is that they've taken the time to tell us that they don't have time to do the thing that we're trying to show them what we're doing. Oh well, cool. What do you want me to do about it? If you've engaged in the content enough to bother telling us why you can't do something, Either just go and do something else or maybe that's your invitation to go, Oh, I'm making an excuse. But then who tells people Who tells you that you're making excuses?
Speaker 2:So if that was you, you put that comment on. Like, goes to date you're making excuses? Unless you engage with a coach. Like, is your partner or friends gonna do that? Maybe?
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:No, I think most of the messages people put on social media, no one else knows they're doing it either.
Speaker 2:No. I'm going more like the deeper, like, if you're making excuses to not work out or not do the thing, who's gonna call you on that in your life?
Speaker 1:Probably no one.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So we get away with it for years, don't we?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, mean, if you don't have a kitchen or you don't have clean socks, it's can't cumbersome, work, isn't isn't You can never exercise.
Speaker 2:And if you have dirty socks in a kitchen
Speaker 1:kitchen and dirty socks.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah. Well
Speaker 1:would not wish that up on my worst day.
Speaker 2:Gosh, good luck to you all for
Speaker 1:So today, we are very jubilantly recording this in the new space. Certainly not finished, for all intents and purposes, this section is looking pretty nice with the couch in. Got the surfboard here.
Speaker 2:Authentic ripped, show vintage.
Speaker 1:Authentic ripped, yeah. Which if anyone knows how to fix a significant rip in a sofa, I would absolutely love to help because I've spoken to leather specialists across the road, spoken to a car trimmer, various upholsterers and they're all telling me, no.
Speaker 2:So
Speaker 1:if anyone knows, currently the best option we've got is to literally just put a leather patch over it and own it.
Speaker 2:Can we actually record podcasts if you have rips on a sofa, sir? Do you know what mean? I quite like it. I'm sitting on it.
Speaker 1:But it'll just get worse, that's the problem.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that will start to
Speaker 1:So we're thinking basically just put a patch over, oh yeah, this is an old sofa. It's like a patched up jean. Old Levi's,
Speaker 2:Perfect. Tell a story.
Speaker 1:Cool. How did that happen?
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:I actually don't know because I didn't have it when it happened.
Speaker 2:With a makeup story
Speaker 1:though. Can make a cool story. Yeah. So yeah, we're in the new space. Sitting here is making me think what's the privacy options for the windows we definitely need.
Speaker 1:We need some controllability. I don't think originally I was thinking some kind of film, but I actually think that's not a good idea because And there's no we want people to see what's going on in here in certain circumstances. So maybe a double roller blind, one sheer, one blackout, because I think it's nice to have it dark for some certain yoga classes and stuff and we don't want to necessarily do You the
Speaker 2:might want this one shot if we're doing stuff over here.
Speaker 1:It's cool,
Speaker 2:we're in the middle of Penzance, we've got a crystal shop, it's couldn't be more West Penwith. I can see a crystal shop and like a kind of funny jewelry piercing shop and an old leather maker. Leather. It's kind of sick. This is so sauna.
Speaker 1:What's going on there
Speaker 2:as well? Which one?
Speaker 1:In the piercing, I think they're changing that. But yeah, we've got Hobbs Kitchen shop next door, we've got Seven Stones down the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, and what's the best shop on Causeway Head, Jake, that we just visited that saved our bacon? Jim's. Jim's
Speaker 1:Hardware. Guys. Truly legendary within Cornwall.
Speaker 2:And I don't know if this exists in America where most of our folks live. It's been going forever, right? There's what, three maybe, I think, in Cornwall?
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Jim's, like three shops?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think so. Two? I actually
Speaker 2:There's a small, but only in Cornwall. Between you
Speaker 1:and me and the listeners, I actually researched into that business because I was very curious, because it's very, very successful And yeah, it's a family business, it's moved through several generations and I think it's just passed over to the youngest, sons, so that's maybe why some of the changes they're making. Anyway,
Speaker 2:at they're all. But it is, it sells everything. It's super interesting. Blokes like hardware stores,
Speaker 1:We just bought a four point extension lead for only £3.75, which is less than $5.
Speaker 2:And if we needed to, we could have also bought like a Halloween costume, some washing up liquid and a bucket. Yeah. Plus a skateboard. Like, it's everything.
Speaker 1:It's true. Anyway. Guys do like those sort of shots.
Speaker 2:I like them.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's why there's yeah, there's a few of them around. That's why they're so successful.
Speaker 2:Big up gyms. Alright. Should we get to it?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, just to go a bit more into the space thing, just had a really interesting meeting this morning, which I told Joe about, and yeah, we did a lot of brainstorming and got some really exciting ideas. Obviously, there's the week, the normal weekly business model, we're gonna have our classes, we're gonna have our open gym, we're gonna have our, like, community focus, super positive, super inviting, but then we're also talking about the more events stuff at the weekend. So is it a three hour thing where we meet here, we have a coffee, we go for a run, we've booked the sauna out for an hour, we come back, we do some strength and we have a bit of brunch. There's like super exciting things that we can do that really bring together lots of different stuff and also speaking to a few guys about putting photography on the walls that they can sell and some cool local photographers, different art.
Speaker 1:So there's, yeah, it's a really,
Speaker 2:really important It's exciting, man. I mean, it keeps coming up in conversations I'm having both locally and in the different men's circles and stuff about connection and how people just want to connect. Like post 2020 everyone just went back to their home office and everyone's on Zoom. People are like, I kind of want to go back to an office now and have some daily contact. I think that that is what we're you know, we're not in a working space, but the idea that you can come here and it's going be people of a similar vibe doing stuff that is, you know, I think people are gonna love it.
Speaker 1:100. There's always doubts, right, with a new business, but literally every single person that's come in, not people I even know, and they've heard about what this is and they say this is gonna be a massive success. So that fills me with hope the people know as good as anyone and obviously you can always make mistakes with how you run the business and the business model. Hopefully I feel like I'm confident I can get that down and I've got enough people in my corner that I can lean on if they need help with that. I think It's very exciting.
Speaker 2:I think when you do something from like with good intention, like you didn't go, Right, I need to make loads more money, what's
Speaker 1:the best? Want opening this.
Speaker 2:Exactly. It's like you want a place to work out. We needed a place to work. You wanted to meet other people that we could kind of vibe with and create something with. It's going to work and it might take us a little while but it's not like we're trying to sell people shit they don't want, you know?
Speaker 2:So yeah man, I'm excited. There's
Speaker 1:an amazing there is obviously like a very diverse crowd of people here. There's a, you know, there's in any place you live, there's split demographics but there's a very clear demographic here of people across from any age, from 20 to 80 that are interested in well-being but not necessarily in the traditional sense of just grinding away in the gym, which obviously there's nothing wrong with that at all. Like a bit of that once in a while too. But there's definitely like a calling for that and also a calling for places that are a bit different considered and there is a brand behind it in the community because there's functional stuff here, but there's a lot of missed opportunity, believe, in the sense of like, actually, what's the environment like? How does it feel?
Speaker 1:How is the brand? Like, what's the story? Lots of missed opportunities there.
Speaker 2:I also think it's gonna, maybe we're gonna just meet people we never meet. A bit like when we were working in that co working space, we were like, Where have you all been? Exactly. And they've all been here and there working in their bedrooms too. So like, imagine, we're like, Oh, there's this calisthenics guy up in Devon we'd like to meet.
Speaker 2:There's probably a dude in Newlin that we just haven't seen or I've been past the gym, outdoor gym and seen a bunch of guys earlier in the summer doing some pretty cool Cali stuff and I was like, Wow, where are they? I've never seen them, maybe they've driven, I don't know, but it's the thing like we create a place. Field of Dreams, Kevin Costner, If you build it, they will come, right? If you build it here, people will come. It might Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes. Amen. And I was thinking, Jacob, was brilliant when I was watching the unpack video with all the kit that Who sent us?
Speaker 1:Movement Movement
Speaker 2:Maid, thank you brother. And the kids, just selfishly, kids, Axel and Avila, like matched energy, it's mental, right? Yeah. Hanging on the rings, well, that's the dream. Finishing work, it's like, Oh, we've done most of lives, let's just have a little kids workout.
Speaker 2:They'd be there for two hours. It's like a, you know
Speaker 1:And we can, and that's even something we can actually facilitate at all.
Speaker 2:I don't know
Speaker 1:if there's some kind of qualifications or legalities that you have to.
Speaker 2:Not if there are kids, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah. Teach other children. I imagine there's like criminal record checks and stuff. DBS.
Speaker 2:I've actually done mine for the Minsburg, so I'm good. But yeah, there's probably specific criteria. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1:But it will be amazing to do that because we do the world that we're in right now, I almost see like a split should we just stay on this topic? Should we just cruise today? Yeah. We did have a topic but I think we might just cruise.
Speaker 2:This feels alright. Yeah. That's nice.
Speaker 1:So there's obviously what I see down here in terms of children, and I guess you see the same with adults as well, there's this one part of the population that's super dialled in on well-being. And yeah, maybe they go out for some drinks on the weekend, maybe they don't eat perfect, but there's a component of them where they know exercise, healthy eating, sleep is very important to them. And I feel that's like rising from my age group, like from people in their 30s, professional jobs and there's a big awareness and it's never been better than ever. But then on the flip side, the people that are not looking after themselves, not eating junk food all the time, no exercise, a lot of like drugs and alcohol in whatever form, that's never been bigger either, which is shown in the fact that obesity numbers are higher than they've ever been. So I almost feel whilst the I don't want to use the word bad because I don't want to label it so much, but the negative side of it that's causing lots of issues and health issues and obviously money for the services and all that, that's worse than ever but there is also a section that's better than ever which I think gets kind of overlooked sometimes.
Speaker 1:But the middle, we're struggling with the middle ground and bringing people across, it's more of like tale a of two extremes, I think exists in a lot of the global and national systems, there's extremes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, interesting. So I think that there's a thanks for all of that, man, there's a lot in there. I think for me the piece is like I was talking to a client the other day and he was like, You know, when am I going to look like Jake? And he was kind of joking. I was like, Well, Jake's six'three, six'four?
Speaker 2:Six'two. Six'two, okay. You feel like you're six'two. I'm six'two. Maybe we're the same height.
Speaker 1:Anyway We are. We've done this before.
Speaker 2:We have done it, yeah. Anyway, the point was, there's genetics.
Speaker 1:There is.
Speaker 2:Right? And your brother's the same, right? And then you guys were swimming aged like forwards for ten years. It is like how you were raised. He ate well, that's just how it is.
Speaker 2:A five foot eight guy, five foot ten guy will never look like you. No. And there's that piece and then that can be a barrier to doing it. And this particular client, he's like, kind of doing it, he's like, I'm still not ripped. I'm like, Brother, you've been doing this for two and a half months.
Speaker 2:This is a thing that is going to take a long time to do and you won't look like Jake or me or the next person. You won't look like that.
Speaker 1:You could look better within your own career.
Speaker 2:Yes. What does a really ripped, healthy five'nine guy look like? Let's find one. There's
Speaker 1:definitely I'll tell you
Speaker 2:a good person. Also then, why am I trying to look like him, that fighter, that football player, that tennis
Speaker 1:What was your link with what I was saying with that comment?
Speaker 2:We have the people that don't do anything, that are not eating well, that are slobby and slobby, then you've got the high achiever guys or the people that are running the marathon and working out and swimming and eating good. And then that middle grunt, they might have a run every now and again, they might do some weights in the bedroom but they're like, I'm never gonna look like him or that thing I've seen on Instagram or this picture of perfection, so I'm just not really gonna bother, right? And that's the piece I was picking up on. So what are we measuring against and can we measure against our own self?
Speaker 1:I have a good personal story of that struggle in almost two areas. So the first one was, a lot of people watching might know that my background originally was more in the yoga scene.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I had a few years at the gym when I was in university and college and then in my twenties, it was basically like yoga exclusively and that kind of over time calisthenics and body weight training came in and then it kinda took precedent as I got into my sort of like mid to late twenties. But during the yoga time, I'm a guy that's naturally six foot two, naturally sits somewhere between like eighty five and ninety kilos. Was whatever people say, there is a significant competitiveness within the yoga industry. Everyone likes to tell you how it's not about that, but it seriously exists, especially in the type of yoga I was doing, which was like Ashtanga yoga. The guys that were very, very, very capable were typically much more petite framed.
Speaker 2:Now,
Speaker 1:I had it in my head that I could just basically like lose that weight in order to access this more advanced way of moving. And you could also mirror that with say a gymnast, right? As far as I'm aware, no elite gymnasts are six foot two and ninety kilograms. They might look absolutely jacked on the camera and they are, but they're compressed. To that five'eight guy, you can actually look and say because you've got less surface area to work with.
Speaker 1:And you're gonna get stronger quicker as well, which there is a second part to this story. So during that phase, I was thinking, right, if I lose weight, if I lose weight, if I lose weight, then that's gonna open up some of those abilities for me and make me better. At the same time, I was doing a bit of modelling as well and again, six foot two, fine in modelling, ninety kilograms, not so good, hard fit into a jacket. I got down to seventy seven kilos.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:I was literally paper thin skin at that point, absolutely shredded. It wasn't actually that hard,
Speaker 2:so I
Speaker 1:don't want to say I I was like starving myself or anything. There was a level of restriction, but still didn't fit into the jacket. I was still a forty four because of my shoulders, so it made no difference there. Didn't make me any better at yoga because I was still, the frame was still there, so it didn't actually make a difference. So I was striving to be this person that was beyond my genetic capabilities.
Speaker 2:Here we go.
Speaker 1:So like you can build muscle and you can lose fat, but like there is a frame element that still exists. And the second part of that, which I kind of touched on there, is being in London Fields with the calisthenics guys and these guys that were doing flips around the bars, backflips, holding front levers for like a minute, yes, they were amazing and they were strong but they were also a foot shorter or half a foot shorter. Leverage is angles and you know, it's physics, The longer the spanner, the more force. So if you're shorter, it's less force and you're more likely to be able to do these cool movements, whether it is yoga or whether it is calisthenics. So whoever you are, there's always someone to compare yourself against.
Speaker 1:There's the 5.8 guy going, wish I was 6ft2 and ninety kilograms, but then equally there's that guy, me, going, I wish I was smaller,
Speaker 2:so I
Speaker 1:could do these cool things.
Speaker 2:Yeah man, then what are we doing? And then we've got the comparison to ourself. You hear guys going, Oh, I used to play football all the time. When was that? Oh, at college.
Speaker 2:You were 43, bro. That was twenty one years ago and you're comparing yourself to the guy that played competitive football at 21 years old. What are you doing? That's not realistic.
Speaker 1:We hear that a lot though.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Oh, used to do this, cool.
Speaker 1:What do you think that's about? Do you think the years pass so fast when you're busy with work and family and then suddenly you've whipped away but your mind genuinely still is, Oh, you know, it wasn't even that long ago when I was playing football for every professional. How long actually I was think you're right, Blake. Was twenty years.
Speaker 2:Time does go fast, particularly if you're not appreciating it, so for sure. And then part two is, typically if you've been
Speaker 1:We're just topping up.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, my puffer. Yeah. Typically if you've been playing semi let's say yes, semi professional football, which means you're like 20, 21, 22, which means you're probably at your most vital energy. If you're into women, you've probably got a girlfriend or you're quite popular with the women, you're socializing a lot. I'm just talking about this person, this football person.
Speaker 2:There's the after parties, there's the celebrations, you're a bit of a hero. It's your prime bit of life. And so that is, it can be, this is what happens to us, we attach our identity to that. I'm the captain of the team, I had all the ladies or whatever, I could run the fastest 100 meters, I scored the most goals and that's my identity. So like now, you know, when people so often it's those questions like, tell me about yourself.
Speaker 2:Oh, and we start with our job. So it's like a status thing. We're attaching our physicality or our nostalgia of these great times. That's me. I'm a semi fresh footballer.
Speaker 2:That's who I am. Been twenty years, slightly overweight. I'm married. I haven't played football in twenty years but but that's who I am. Joe Coyne the footballer.
Speaker 1:Do you think we when we go through phases where maybe we're so busy and we're caught up in just doing the things that we need to do to move forward and we're not concentrating on our own passions and ourself that we kind of just forget about that period and we just still feel like we are the person when we had the time to do the things that we loved all the time or we were maybe had the time's the right thing, actually prioritising those things so that when it comes up in a conversation, the mind automatically reverts to the time when it was how you wanted it to be and when you did feel good and when you felt like your identity was strong and your confidence was high. And the rest is just almost
Speaker 2:Yeah, just we don't want to talk about all the hard bits and the bit I didn't work out two years or the bit where I was drinking, yeah, we don't want to certainly tell anyone else that time, the hard bit or the bit that I wasn't so good. We want to put our best foot forward, our best sort of face on for anyone, right? I'm pretty healthy and I have no bad habits, you're just kidding yourself. I'm not saying have to tell everyone all your bad habits but why not just tell people now? Not that anyone ever goes, Oh, nice to meet you, what's your workout regime?
Speaker 2:That doesn't happen but when you meet someone who's I get it and you get it in life, people might see that I'm quite active and they'll be like, Oh yeah, I used to run a lot. I'm like, I don't care. But we want to validate ourselves, I'm part of your I'm a runner.
Speaker 1:How much do, let's say like on your side, Joe, obviously anyone who watched a couple of episodes ago and spoke to Joe about his life and what that all looked like, let's say a big part of your life for so long was rollerblading, right? Yeah. A massive, massive, massive part. Yeah. And I assume a massive part of your identity as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the whole life.
Speaker 1:So, reflecting on that now, often do you find you bringing that up in conversation? Like how connected do you feel to that? Because that's basically the same thing. If you were going, if I was like, Joe, we need to get in shape and you were like, Well, you know, I used to be semi progam. As if that has any influence on now.
Speaker 2:That's interesting.
Speaker 1:How much do you feel you lean on that now, if at all? So,
Speaker 2:not very much and just a few parts there: it's the ego that wants to tell people something about that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure.
Speaker 2:And rollerblading isn't cool, like Most people, I don't speak about it or would never need to. Maybe I was a semi pro surfer, I might bring that up more because people get it. So there's that. There's also ego if there are people that know about blading to be like, Well, I used to have a magazine and I competed it. And that's just an ego, and the only time that ever comes up is if I I've been at the skate park with Avila and there were some guys there, probably in their late twenties, thirties, that were role building, like good standard, and I almost wanted to go over and go, Hi, do you know who I am?
Speaker 2:I could felt that in my head, I used to do this and I used to have these wheels and do you know this guy that used to think? And that's the only time, so I suppose that's the similarity. So somebody who wants to be like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I work out a lot. Used to do handstands. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright. Cool.
Speaker 1:It seems like it's almost either an ego thing or it's a I don't wanna say It's almost like a lack, a purposeful ignorance about the reality of the present.
Speaker 2:Well, definitely that, man.
Speaker 1:As if it wasn't twenty years ago and it was like, oh, I was doing this up till yesterday. That's kind of the language that Yeah, comes
Speaker 2:and I think it is that little thing of I really felt good there and that's like our brain is remembering how good I felt when I was doing that thing and that person I was. So our brain wants to be like, That's what I want to live in, you know? Let's all be Maybe we touched on this in one of our podcasts. Do you ever have those little fantasies about being 25 and just hanging out and working out and going to bed when you want, you don't have to Those come up! And so we can live in that if we're not accepting and dealing with our realities.
Speaker 2:There's like a You put it really eloquently but the way I heard it was basically like, you were just trying to ignore what's going on right now and live in the past. I think
Speaker 1:if you're having a conversation and you're bringing up what you're struggling with now and how do you want to feel, you naturally, if it does exist, you're gonna go back to that time when you felt And that's natural. I think that's cool. And you're trying to then, if you've had a taste of something, you know what it feels like to be in that situation. So you're like, right, how do we get that feeling back? And that's part of the process of figuring that out.
Speaker 2:So that was, again, had this conversation at point in the day, it's like, Forget wanting to be Jake, and he was talking about his footballing career. Was like, Get a photo of you up on your desk where you work out at 25, looking like that, that vibrant young man. Be that guy. Curious question for you, Okay, I'm 46 now. I used to play semi professional football until I was 25.
Speaker 2:I was ripped, was this lean, also could lift. Can I ever get that? It's twenty years later, I'm doing all the things, I'm eating good, I'm sleeping, I'm working out, I'm stretching, all the things. Can one ever reverse time?
Speaker 1:Great question. It's kind of a two sided on one side I would say, no, you're never gonna get that. But on the other side I would say you could actually be better, but in a different way. So you're never gonna be 20 years old again, that's certain. But actually, the chances are what you were doing back then probably wasn't optimal for actually pure strength, mobility, health because it was leaning towards a sport, which is actually, sport typically is good for you but it leans towards more, I will actually sacrifice health in order to be good at the sport, which is why sports people push them, they get injured, right?
Speaker 1:They get half to have surgeries because it goes beyond just general actually optimising health and well-being. So you could actually feel better, be more injury proof, stronger, more mobile, better than you were when you were 20, at 45, at 50 years old, definitely. But you won't ever be that body that you were then because your life's different and you're older. But it shouldn't hold you back because you can be better and we've seen that with clients. We've seen clients in their 60s that literally, absolutely shredded and look insane and they say, I haven't felt like this since I was 20 years old.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, beautiful answer man. I think that's it. Can't be chasing this old version of our life and just to throw in this, that's when I see people leave their partners in their forties for a younger person because they're like, Oh no! And that's some other, whole another topic but they're chasing being the 25 year old version of freedom and maybe lots of sex because that's what you did and this young hot person that just wants to have fun. Come on man, it's like I use the term lost boys.
Speaker 2:We get lost in that kind of era and if we're not careful we can look back and use that as motivation but if we're trying to chase that entire life, it's not gonna work. So the motivation to be like, Oh wow, and I think about this sometimes man, about, I guess, it would be ten years ago because my brother's kids are like 12 now. I remember being at before we had children, and I was ten years younger, family barbecue, and I would just be in the garden for the whole time playing with these kids, climbing on me, throwing them around and I remember like a year or so ago after my knee injury I was like I can't I watched some videos of it and was like I can't do that. So I want to be that guy. And so it's like we can use it as motivation.
Speaker 2:I want to be able to have the energy to roll around the garden, to move down on my knees, but I'm not I also don't think I'm going to reverse time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I really love this topic and we should lean into this because it's so, so interesting and to completely frank, I don't have this feeling so much when it comes to health and fitness. There is a very small part of me that yearns for that time where I did ninety minutes yoga in the morning, I went to the Calisthenics Park, spent as many hours as I wanted. There is a tiny little bit of me, but also I personally feel like I'm in the best shape I've ever been. Maybe I don't look quite as good, maybe I'm not as capable, but the way that it fits with my life and the balance, because when you're doing lots of volume and stuff, you do get injured.
Speaker 1:When I was doing all that stuff, maybe I looked better but my digestion was shit, my joints were always sore, I had tendonitis. I didn't sleep as good. So there is actually a positive to a more balanced approach in terms of general health and well-being but the thing that which people can relate to and that you can tie it to fitness if that helps, I always look back at those years and think, shit, I wish I had had the business now, I have wish I'd had the motivation, the drive, because even though I've always worked for myself, it was always just for many, many years, it was just like a means to the end, which obviously meant that my life was skewed towards lifestyle versus work,
Speaker 2:which
Speaker 1:I guess you can't really regret that, but also that's a decade extra, it would have been a decade extra of business building.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hear you man and I think everyone naturally goes, I wish I could have done or should have imagined I saved pounds a month when I was 21, all those things, right, with top business, that idea I had and someone else did. And you know what? I really believe in it, I teach it. We're exactly where we're supposed to be. And every little decision we made to all that lifestyle time, lifestyle time living, created this version of Jake that sat next to me that started this business.
Speaker 2:Like a different version of you wouldn't have wouldn't be sitting here with you. You might not have married Morgan. We might not do you know what mean? So there's that. The other thing that came up as you're talking about that was like, so that version of you that does your ninety minute yoga, then two hours in the park and then another nice stretch in the evening and now we're fathers ten, fifteen, twenty years later, when we look back and go, I want to be that version of me, how about just look back and go, How did I schedule or create these spaces in my time?
Speaker 2:Because we also had a job and we also had other things and it's different, but you had some discipline to do those things. So what can we take with a whole different frame around us now from that 20 year old version of me and put it in here. Oh, I have better energy in the mornings. Good, okay, so I should work out in the morning. Whatever it is, Yeah,
Speaker 1:a couple of things came up when you said that. I guess the first one is that it's made me reflect on how much stronger I am as a person now because I feel like my productivity is 100x what it was then because I didn't have the pressure to fit things into a schedule because there was so much time.
Speaker 2:Now,
Speaker 1:if I'm still doing the things I was in different areas of my life, it looks different, which is really important, but I'm making it happen within a much more compressed period of time. So the productivity is actually much higher. So that's a massive positive skill to look on. If you're super busy with work, you've had family commitments, you want to be in shape and you're kind of figuring that out, you need to be well proud of yourself because you're operating at a high level to fit that all in. And I think that's the reason, you know, you might follow a 20 year old who can train three hours a day, doesn't have a partner, doesn't have kids and that's great, like good for them, but in terms of them understanding the challenges of your life, it's not the same.
Speaker 2:No, no. The other
Speaker 1:thing that came up was what did come up?
Speaker 2:Around what we're taking, what positives we're taking from when we were younger? Yeah. Or was it scheduling, was it the version we want to be?
Speaker 1:I just I don't think I wasted so much time back then as well. I didn't make time count and it's almost basically saying the reverse of what I've just said. But I think it's important to recognize both and the fact that you buy even though life might feel really hard right now, if you're watching this and you haven't taken action on our realm, life feels really busy, it feels like you've got so much responsibility if you haven't got time, you can also reflect and look at what skills you've developed living that life compared to what you did when you were 20 because I know for a fact I wasted a shit ton of my day and whilst I can look back on that with nostalgia and maybe a bit of desire and go, I wish I had all that time. I also, if I was living those days now, I'd probably look back on a lot of those days and be like, Man, wasted my day. I wish I'd done more.
Speaker 2:Man.
Speaker 1:Whereas I don't feel that as much now because I do feel like
Speaker 2:Yeah, trying to make every second beautiful mate. Yeah, the amount of wasted time. Amount of wasted time. Huge. Probably, I wonder what you could I would say I'd probably waste a minimum of three hours a day probably in those
Speaker 1:But that's
Speaker 2:Minimum. Sometimes an entire weekend of lounging around, smoking weed, watching movies or video gaming in my 20s or whatever we were doing. Days of it. And then it's interesting as we mentioned blading earlier, the amount of time we spent skating, was that wasted? If you measure on a criteria, we've talked about a few times, of success now, yes, it's wasted.
Speaker 2:I wasn't making any money. I wasn't like, Okay, was getting in shape actually, but I was certain I wasn't making money. Was
Speaker 1:joyous, sir.
Speaker 2:It was joyous and fun.
Speaker 1:I definitely don't see that as wasted time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was just like I remember being told at the time, You're wasting your time. And I'm like, Wait, I'm with people, my friends, I'm outside, I'm practising a skill, I'm physically in shape, pretty good use of time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think when I look back on that time and I talk about, say, I wish I'd started my businesses then, or this business, or I wish I'd had the knowledge, I had not, all
Speaker 2:that shit,
Speaker 1:The regret is I had so much time and I wish I'd made good
Speaker 2:And of
Speaker 1:what was that waste of time? It wasn't the three hours in the car station.
Speaker 2:No, no.
Speaker 1:It wasn't the ninety minute yoga, it was the took four hours to do a task that could have taken thirty minutes because I was procrastinating, Watching watching TV,
Speaker 2:yeah.
Speaker 1:It's just shit that's useless. And that's not to say that you shouldn't watch a movie but once in a for all these things there's a line where it goes over
Speaker 2:Well, the illicit intentional, I'm watching a movie now, I've had a busy day, it's raining, let's watch a movie. We both went to the cinema separately on Saturday, so it pissing down. Which was bloody great. What did you watch?
Speaker 1:Lilo and Stitch.
Speaker 2:Oh that is great.
Speaker 1:It was so good.
Speaker 2:Smurfs was rubbish. Mean I've enjoyed it but I fell asleep. It's intention, right? Yeah. Like it's been a long trip, we've just got back, it's movie night and we're having pizza because no one could be urged to cook.
Speaker 2:Great! Wicked! And the other thing there, I just wanted to say this because I think it just kept coming up for me, like the one thing I think from my 20s that I wished, and we're not experts, is I had more understanding of money. So the money I did make, I wish I knew that I could put it somewhere. I wish I knew it would do this.
Speaker 2:Like if I put £20 a month twenty years ago, it'd be a point zero zero, you know what I mean? Know he teaches that.
Speaker 1:When you start understanding about compounding
Speaker 2:trends and
Speaker 1:what that extra decade could
Speaker 2:have done. Great as far as this because I'm doing that for Apollo and Avila now. You'll teach them. We've started, he knows best next time is now than yesterday, right? So we can start teaching them.
Speaker 2:But it's not taught to me anyway. It's not a school subject and it's not even unless you do finance, it doesn't even come up. And your parents might know some things and suggest you start a savings account. You're like, Why? I want to buy some beer.
Speaker 2:It doesn't there's no like
Speaker 1:But then I think there's also my parents made sure I had a savings account and stuff, but I don't know if it was a generational thing or anything, but their mindset and the only narrative I ever heard was the best place for your money is in some interest in a bank. Whereas that, there's an argument to say there should be some money in that because it's accessible. Well, fact, savings accounts aren't even always accessible, the ones that actually have a decent interest. But there was never any talk of index funds, stocks, ISAs, those sort of things. So I don't know if that was a generational thing of that being safe and those other things being dangerous they're Probably, not really
Speaker 2:and also who would have taught them? And then, you're a bit younger than me, now we can see it, we can see these things online and we can learn them ourselves, we're like, Oh, these things are the best way. Books are everywhere. Yeah, that's true. More information.
Speaker 2:More information where we know. I mean, can't remember the name of the guy. The book he's written is I'll Make You Rich. He's got a great podcast. And he's like, Don't worry about fancy cryptos.
Speaker 2:Don't worry about trading and being a day trader. High interest ISA and like a stocks ISA. Forget about it, put it in it, forget X amount, he's got a formula, X, Y, thirty year put it in there, forget about it.
Speaker 1:So it's not in? That's it. And that's I think
Speaker 2:if we did that twenty years ago, woah.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, exactly. There's some crazy literally don't quote me on the maths of this, but Let's say for twenty years you put £100 a month in an index fund, it would be like hundreds and hundreds of thousands in twenty years' time. That's it. Why are we not taught that from the second we leave school? Because, again, if you can't afford this, I'm not trying to like judge you or like make any but I think most people with the right setup could put £100 a month away.
Speaker 2:Well bro, £25 a month.
Speaker 1:£25 a month.
Speaker 2:But the common effect
Speaker 1:of that in that is so important. And we don't get taught it and it's really, really bizarre. It's almost like they want
Speaker 2:Don't us to get me started, Jake. You know that's my thing. But the rabbit hole, it's true. That's true. If they taught us how to save money and how to invest properly, we wouldn't be in debt to the credit card companies and the banks who own us, who then own our house, then we get in debt and la la la la.
Speaker 2:That's the rabbit hole, seems to be fairly obviously true.
Speaker 1:But that's a pretty cool gift to a kid to be able to
Speaker 2:Yes, the financial freedom. Save
Speaker 1:100 for your kid a month from the day they're born and then when they are 25
Speaker 2:I feel like I wanna do the maths on this, cause I feel this is quite exciting, Jake. I've just got the
Speaker 1:But let's say
Speaker 2:I won't do the interest.
Speaker 1:That's true. The average stock market Oh, you have to do the interest, otherwise it If would be
Speaker 2:you just saved £100 a month over twenty years, you get $30. Oh, really? That's like, you buy, well,
Speaker 1:who knows what
Speaker 2:it's You like in 20
Speaker 1:have to do the argument is that obviously there's inflation that brings it and then also the stock market obviously fluctuates, but the inflation, like, whatever. But anyway, you could basically, if they got to 25 and you put £100 a month, you might be able to buy them like a house or you'd definitely be able to put a deposit there.
Speaker 2:Decent deposit.
Speaker 1:And get them into you, get A paid for
Speaker 2:quick note guys, we're not financial advisors.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we actually do need to say that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we actually have to do that.
Speaker 1:So there was obviously a point to this.
Speaker 2:Well, I've got it, man. So finance, whoop, what am I doing every month for the twenty year version of me? So I'm living for another forty years at least, eighty five, ninety, I'll be happy with that. So if I start saving now by my three workouts a week now, what's that going to do for me in twenty years' time?
Speaker 1:Exactly. And that is a direct metaphor for the argument of consistency versus intensity. If you think about the trap that most people fall into when they're going from, Right, I'm not in shape and I want to make a change, it's intensity. It's I'm gonna join P90X or some crazy intense programme where I have to kill myself every day. I'm gonna follow the latest diet in Waterstones where I only eat chickpeas and lemon juice for a month.
Speaker 1:Periods of intensity, then the period where they dip back to old habits. If you did that with money, you would get the same result which is like very fuck all basically. You basically went, I'm
Speaker 2:going to invest,
Speaker 1:I'm going to put $10 in an index fund and then I'm not going to invest for twenty years, it's
Speaker 2:not going Or be worth you've not been smart and you get the new shiny thing, a crypto coin, and look, there's arguments some of that's great, some weird alt coin and you're like, we're going to make 25x, bang, oh, it's gone, fuck. Or you've made a bit and then it's gone. These flashy, exciting things only work for a minute. We talk about this all the time, hey? It's also, I feel like there's a piece here about the consistency raises the floor, right?
Speaker 2:Which we talked about a lot and by doing the thing, when we do fall off, we fall further back. So I mentioned a few weeks ago, was just like with all the travel and a bit sick, it was just like But because of my years of doing it, I still did something, the nickel and dimes, fives and tens, five push ups, 10 squats, five put whatever. Floor was higher based on my twenty years of movement. But if we don't have that floor, what's our fallback? Well, nothing seems to be for a lot of people.
Speaker 2:Nothing. I've done CrossFit, it hurt my back. I hate CrossFit, it's shit. There's no point working out. Boom, bam, bam, bam.
Speaker 2:And then we put our 10 kilos back on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh, now we're twice as hard
Speaker 1:That's as the next such an important point because it's not really the peaks or what we call the ceilings that make the big difference in the long term, it's actually that floor, it's the baseline. It's like what do you fall to? What does the worst day look like? The worst week, the worst month, the busiest week, whatever the period. Because if it's constantly fully on or fully off, you're gonna really struggle to actually move forward where we see it with investing, with compound interest, that steady, unsexy, basic daily action actually is the thing that in the long term, ten days and twenty years, makes the biggest difference and it's exactly the same in fitness.
Speaker 1:And it's not to say you can't still go, Oh, I'm gonna book in a marathon and train extra hard or I'm gonna train an hour a day for this month. You can still do that, but it's about going, What happens? It's not that mindset of, That's over now, so I'm gonna go back to doing nothing.
Speaker 2:That's it. And you see the guys that are It's interesting, lot of our clients re sign, they sign up for three or six and then they stick around. It's actually the guys that are pretty good that seem to stick around because they know that in their past they've fallen off. They're doing the workouts, I'm not hassling them loads, they're doing their things, we make some changes, but they know themselves. So it's this piece about knowing yourself and go, I've tried these things before, I've tried diet exos, fads, I need to have somebody just to keep an eye on me.
Speaker 2:I need to have somewhere easy I can go and go, What am I doing today to stay, to move forwards? And it's so easy, it's really, really difficult. I don't know the numbers, I'd probably say there's like four percent of humans can do this thing on their own, to look after themselves, know how to work out what their body needs. It takes a lot of work to do that on your own. And I'm not even saying you need to have a mentor or a coach but maybe some friends that are on the same journey as you.
Speaker 1:A 100%. Just to Some people find it easy in certain that this isn't just about fitness, right? No, no. As well, like some people, there's gonna be a percentage of the population that do have the fitness thing locked down and it just comes easy to them. But then they might need this is I'm guessing, personally talking for myself right now, fitness, easy.
Speaker 1:Business, I need help, need some people around me. It's not necessarily lack of knowledge. A lot of people come to join Vibrant People who have a lot of knowledge, so it's not even a lack of knowledge, it's sometimes just about that reassurance that you've got people, you've got a team around you, people that have got your best interests at heart that you can ask questions to, you can stay accountable to.
Speaker 2:And see different perspectives than the ones we miss. Like if we're looking over here, well, what's over here? Well, that's what I with all the men's work, it's like having people around you that can spot these things for you. Hey man, I noticed you're not doing this thing. And so I guess, we're just
Speaker 1:going It's off on it easy to let yourself down. Yeah. It's easy to tell yourself, Oh, I'm too tired today, I'm too busy, gonna start on Monday, I'm gonna start next week, this is a great one, I'm gonna start after summer, then I'm gonna
Speaker 2:start When the kids go back, I'll have more time.
Speaker 1:So just constantly pushing it back, whereas if you have got skin in the game, you've got a team around you, you've got someone to answer to, isn't even drill sergeant vibes, just someone, just the presence of a team of people that have got your best interests at heart, you're not gonna make those excuses as much.
Speaker 2:Well, coming back around to how we started, you're then going to fall back on the Well, I used to play professional football and you'll have that story in that conversation. Oh, my knees are a bit jobby so I haven't worked out but I used to lift up I used to run Oh, good for you. Like you fall back on that story.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Which are just more excuses to Yeah. Excuses are just They're such an interesting thing and I've never really thought about it so much, it's quite interesting, but they're literally a core component of what we do is to break down excuses. And the more I think about excuses from, and that's me as well, the excuses that I make, I personally believe that the main role of an excuse is to put a wall up between you and actually facing the reality and taking the action on it, Yeah. Because I know I do it.
Speaker 1:If I make an excuse, deep down I know it's because I'm being ignorant, purposefully ignorant about something that I actually want to do but I haven't done. Yeah. And I don't wanna face it.
Speaker 2:100%, 100%. So we mask it with these excuses, right? Oh, this or that, I'm busy, I'm too da da da, it's too much money, I don't have the time or my knees hurt or this and that. Yeah, I love it man. I think
Speaker 1:we need to bring this to a close actually. What are we on?
Speaker 2:48. Forty eight? So, how did we even get started? Talked about
Speaker 1:the studio, we talked about some financial
Speaker 2:non Yeah, just experience of comparison
Speaker 1:with the previous self. Comparison with the
Speaker 2:previous self is really big.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of what we talked about today was time, really. Not time in the sense of making the time now, but why those longer stretches of time are so important, whether it's going back or going forward. It's the letting go of the past and not being appreciating it, taking the positives but not living in it, but also looking to the future and what these investments into yourself now can Well look that's it.
Speaker 2:And that's where the money came in, right? The point I
Speaker 1:gonna make before. Diamond of being able to look back and go, I wish I'd done that, is almost what you said. Well, you can do that for you in twenty years' time right now. So like, you can, if you make the right decisions for yourself today that you want, you can look back in twenty years and not feel like I wish I'd done that. Can go, I did Yeah, do that for
Speaker 2:look at me now.
Speaker 1:Which is that's a it's almost like time travel.
Speaker 2:I'll close it with this little exercise for everyone. A little exercise for everyone. Picture yourself now. This is me. Like what would the 80 year old version of you say to yourself when you're going, Do I go pick up my skipper rope or do I just sit back and put another Netflix movie on?
Speaker 2:What would the 80 year old Like use that for any situation in life. What should I do with my kids? What should I do with it? What would the 80 year old version? Would it be like, Yeah, chill son.
Speaker 2:You've loads of time.
Speaker 1:Or what would even the version of you a week say? Because a lot of guys say, I had such good intentions this week, like people and then I didn't do it and I feel shitty and I keep repeating that cycle.
Speaker 2:Talk to yourself. Again, nobody else, you don't need anyone else to compare it to just yourself. And then what would the 17 year old version of yourself say to you? Like, You're looking a bit chubby buddy or whatever it is, you know what I mean? You're being lazy man, why aren't you out skating all the time?
Speaker 2:Shit, yeah, okay. Might not be skating but it's you know? So just these other ends of your own life like look at you at your pinnacle and then look at you and maybe you're sat in your chair at eighty five, what do you want to be? What story are you writing for yourself? No one else is going write it for you.
Speaker 2:No one's going to You can sign up to us. We're not going to make you hang on the bullet bar. You've got to do that.
Speaker 1:What are you doing? We or someone else can provide tools, the frameworks, but the ultimately are the one that no one can take action for you. That's the one thing that you have to do.
Speaker 2:There you go. No one's going to save for your future, for you. Yeah. Cool. I like these words.
Speaker 2:Sorry I've run the vote, you'll get it next time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been putting off the vote for a while but
Speaker 2:Well, we also acknowledge that your baby is due in ten days? Yeah, a couple of weeks,
Speaker 1:but could come at any time now.
Speaker 2:Well, Full term let's maybe try and do a double whammy next week or something. Get some in the bank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm sure it can take an hour at some point I'm committed.
Speaker 2:We haven't missed I'm committed to leaving the family and let them check-in.
Speaker 1:We haven't missed one yet.
Speaker 2:The
Speaker 1:kids are at school as well,
Speaker 2:yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1:So you only have a
Speaker 2:baby to deal with.
Speaker 1:It's not quite as intense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's true. It's almost like you timed it. Imagine you had a fricking baby in June and you had the
Speaker 1:kids holiday. Yeah, it's the Hey, shout out
Speaker 2:to parents who are dealing with summer holidays. It's my first one. It's hardcore.
Speaker 1:It is pretty hardcore.
Speaker 2:Shit, I've got to finish up.
Speaker 1:Alright guys, thanks for listening.
Speaker 2:Much love.
Speaker 1:See
Speaker 2:you soon. Peace.