Cinema Beef Podcast : Steve Zahn Deserves Better Friends 2 (Reality Bites/Suburbia)

The Beefers are back to discuss master thespian Steve Zahn. This time around the theme is aimless 20 something white folks. We do that with the Ben Stiller directed Reality Bites and the Richard Linklater directed Suburbia. Panelists include Mike Maryman, Suzanne Cappeletti, and Gary Hill.

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Episode Chapters:
00:00:00 - Opening Intro
00:03:39 - White Sox and Summer Fun
00:05:16 - Suzanne's Recent Media: Music and Films
00:07:53 - Mike on Streaming Shows: Widows Bay
00:10:22 - Gary's Music and Movie Discoveries
00:11:45 - Mike's Movie Reviews: Cleaner and Kubrick
00:16:32 - Gary's TV Watch: The Bear Season 3
00:19:35 - WWE Night of Champions Recap
00:22:05 - Current Watches and Vinyl Finds
00:24:29 - Ron Shelton Films and Future Plans
00:26:24 - Episode Theme: Steve Zahn Movies
00:27:15 - Reality Bites Movie Clip
00:29:27 - Reality Bites: Plot and Cast
00:31:40 - Mike's Take: Reality Bites Characters
00:34:38 - Suzanne's Dislike for Reality Bites
00:37:04 - Gary on Nineties Pretentiousness
00:39:52 - Further Critique of Reality Bites
00:43:20 - Characters' Egregious Flaws and Unlikability
00:47:15 - Reality Bites: Few Redeeming Qualities
00:50:52 - Reality Bites as Cautionary Tale
00:56:33 - Suburbia Intro and Trailer
00:59:09 - Suburbia: Plot and Cast Details
01:02:10 - Suzanne's Suburbia Review: Horrible People
01:08:52 - Mike's View on Suburbia Aimless Youth
01:16:01 - Gary on Resentment and Character Depth
01:18:37 - BB's Story: Mental Illness and Empathy
01:22:12 - Nazir's Wisdom and Linklater's Trilogy
01:24:05 - Final Thoughts: Suzanne's Disappointment
01:26:35 - Final Thoughts: Relatability and Steve Zahn
01:29:34 - Final Thoughts: Gary's Suburbia Preference
01:31:56 - Episode Wrap-up and Future Shows
01:36:29 - Closing Remarks

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Why is everything about you, Jeff?

No, not not everything. This. I am the man in your life.

Man.

Yeah, man, male, significant other, whatever the fuck I am.

It's a pee.

You're sure as the hell right about that.

I'm not doing it anywhere, Jeff. It's just a part of my application to the School of Visual Arts in New York.

I'm just gonna go.

Figure the worst I can do is starve to death.

The worst I can do is starve death. Listen to you.

want to hear it anymore.

You know what?

You you're packing your bags, you're jumping into the unknown because some conceptual artist who teaches that a community is having a midlife crisis and he wants to sleep with some girl half his age, so he tells you you have talent.

Brooks has had shows in New York, Jeff. He's been reviewed in art forum, I think he knows.

Well then you better listen to him. Oh fuck!

Might as well not do anything. Let's just stick our thumbs up our asses and twirl.

Yes.

That's right.

You know what honey you should go to New York.

Go Sean. They need your unique point of view.

At least I have a point of view, you know. I stand for something and I'm trying to communicate something.

What are you trying to communicate? Tell us.

So you can give me more shit?

No, no. It's an honest question. What are you trying to communicate?

I'm trying to communicate how I feel, Jeff. You know, raise consciousness. Make people think for a change.

Burger Manifesto Part One is gonna make people think

Yes, you asshole.

About what?

About things that are important to me.

Like what?

Sexual politics, racism, the environment, the military.

You don't even know anybody who's not.

Of course I do.

Name one.

Gh Karen Johnson.

One.

You are completely-

I'm talking about idealism.

So idealism is guilty middle class bullshit.

Praise the Lord.

for bringing us this generous penalty.

Just give me all the bacon and eggs you have. Wait, wait. I worry what you just heard was give me a lot of bacon and eggs. What I said was give me

[Music]

Hello folks and welcome to another Cinema Beef Podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Gary Hill. With me tonight, well today is in the afternoon, uh is Mike Marryman. How you doing, sir?

What's up? It's Saturday, just enjoying the day, relaxing, watching some physical media and other stuff that we'll probably get into in a minute. So uh glad to be here.

Suzanne is here. How you doing, girl?

I'm doing good. It's summertime six time. I've been outside since about eleven o'clock this morning. I'm on my seventh beer, so don't expect too much from me.

I I hate to say it, but how about them White Sox show? Yeah.

Oh fuck them.

Now if you're not paying attention guys that as of this recording last night the White Sox won twenty two to one.

Versus the Kansas City Royals, that's it's unprecedented. That score is a little bit more than that.

It's suck versus suck.

I ha I have to give them their flowers though Sue, come on, you know.

I know, I know, I know, but the Sox fans I know are the most obnoxious fucking people.

Cubs fans are chill.

Fuck an asshole.

Big Gary was no exception. Big Gary was sitting in the chair.

And he would watch the White Sox, we're South Side people. I can't help these things. That's where I was born. Uh and he would scream like Hawk Harrison when he would run, you can put it on the board, yes. That was Big Gary doing that shit in the chair, you know, so

I have those memories of you know, them winning the World Series and uh before uh I mean a after he died, they had a post university and

That's my father's cruel joke from from wherever he is. Uh

The world the white the Chicago White Sox the World Series was. Oh yeah.

Yeah, same way we ever start the show besides sports talk'cause why not? It is I'm here all day long for it. Um

Shoes in. We're gonna do this because um expert is the weekends on the show. So I'll do this right now too. What you been watching and what you've been listening to?

Oh God, I Pat got kind of forced to gunpoint today to listen to my playlist.

And of course, every time he was outside it was the cheesiest eighties shit ever. He'd go inside and it would be skinny puppy and ministry and deo. He'd come outside and

you know, we just a flock of seagulls is playing. Yeah, so I'm kind of in that eighties vibe right now. It's summertime. I like something a little lighter. I've also found that

It used to be Guns N' Roses that would trigger my road rage. It's ministry now.

Don't tell Pat because I like minist listening to Ministry in the car. And The other thing it's like I it's a movie I watch.

Two weeks ago. But I can't get it out of my head. And everyone said it's it's boring, nothing happened.

But I watch the Shrouds because I do I am a big fan of Cronenberg and this was his answer to losing his I don't know if it was his wife or his partner.

And I can't get the fucking movie out of my head.

For me, it was a lot of not what

Lot of nothing happens, but it's what's not happening that's interesting. And Vincent Cassell have always found to be just an interesting actor to watch.

And I'm gonna end up having to watch this game. Hell I'm gonna end up buying this movie just because there I have so many unanswered questions.

But you know, a lot of cubs, a lot of just uh Brain Dead TV

Why?

I've I still have a few episodes left of Widows Bay, which I am fucking grooving on. I fucking love Widow's Bay. I'm getting a whole lot of the fog vibes from it.

And I'm just enjoying it. It's just it's a fun.

ride for me.

I'm pissed as hell that Netflix canceled the Burrows, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I love seeing these actors just fucking shine.

And yeah, it's pretty much uh all I'm all I'm at right now.

[Silence]

Mike.

Suzanne, what was that last thing you said you were watching?

Widows Bay.

Oh Widows Bay, yeah. I I finished Widows Bay.

Well, I was caught up when the finale aired, so yeah, a great show. Um glad it I'm glad it's building momentum too,'cause Apple it seems like Apple uh streaming service it's not the its customer base isn't as big, so a lot of times when the shows hit on there

Either it takes like half the season for a word of mouth or even like after the first season's over, but Widow's Bass seems to be have been getting good uh

press and reaction and reviews so like a lot more people are are watching it, which is cool. It's it's uh

Instances where like comedy and horrors mix perfect and neither detract from either one. So

Really fun time. I love the way uh it wraps up and keeps it open. And it did uh get uh renewed for season two, so we will get more Widows of Bay.

Thank God.

Hell yeah. For something that good and like like I said about the the the one thing sometimes with streaming services which I don't or I think gets lost in this kind of transition to shows on there is

Oftentimes they don't get a lot of time to grow an audience because in traditional network T V, a lot of times the first seasons weren't even like

near the highest rated, at least one that they initially ran. It would like

Sometimes it takes a season or two for it to find its traction. I mean, like one of my favorite shows is Parks and Wreck. The first season is a little rough.

But it found its traction in season two. And they all of the characters started to become a little bit more fully formed.

Mm-hmm.

Exactly. And especially now'cause a lot of people They don't even wanna watch a show until all the episodes are out and I don't know how streaming services track like those numbers versus

who's watching it when it first airs, but there's just so many things that get taken into account that I feel like a lot of shows get canceled before they really get a chance to even try to succeed.

Um let's see so If we're going to meet well the only thing I can think of that I was listening to uh last night, I was listening to the Doors LA Woman album.

Oh nice.

Yeah.

Um now we have a tradition here on Friday night.

It started kind of during the pandemic. It was kind of weird. But every Friday night it just ended up we would listen to Boston.

And now it's it's a thing. It's Friday Night Boston. It's not the weekend until we listen to Friday Night Boston.

Hell yeah.

All right.

So movies I've been watching. I saw the new Jackass, uh, titled Best and Last and loved it.

It was I don't know if anyone's seen uh Chi Chin Chong's final movie from a couple of years ago. It's kinda like a similar vibe to that where

They shot some new stuff, they show some old stuff, they show some never released stuff, some extended stuff, and then of course they have like their narration and

scenes in between. So I mean it's jackass. If you like the jackass stuff, you're gonna like this. So if not, I don't think this is gonna convert you, but uh yeah, there we go.

Yeah.

Uh I also I picked up the four K of the nineteen ninety six movie Freeway with Reese Witherspoon, Keeper Sutherland. Um

Brooke Shields, Brittany Murphy plays a small part. Uh there's A whole bunch of people on this movie and this is

a crazy little retelling of Little Red Riding Hood fairy tale. And it's funny because this was in the mid nineties, right before Reese Witherspoon kinda started her run as like America's new sweetheart and like all the I guess some of'em are rom coms, some are just straight comedies.

But uh it's always good to go back'cause early in her career she did this and then she did Election, which she kinda plays more quirky offbeat, dark characters. Um

So yeah, her origins are really good. But this movie is

all sorts of fun. So I highly recommend it. The rewatch on the four K was good. It said too it was like restored. It was uncut from language and violence. And it's been a while since I seen it. So

It was hard for me to pick out what might have been like ext I think when I Googled it it was like two minutes, so not a whole lot. Um

I I watched a movie on Netflix called Cleaner, which I kinda found it underwhelming. Uh it's a Rennie Harlan movie with Samuel Jackson who plays like a

former cop who he retired from being an officer to be like a crime scene cleaner and as you can imagine with that setup it leads to some conspiracy scandal of like did he inadvertently help clean up a

uh crime scene from like the inside. So uh Eva Mendes isn't it, Ed Harris, Louise Guzman. It's like a really great cast and everyone's good. It's just like the stor the story's just so simple. It's just kind of paint by numbers. So there's no real

suspense with what's going to happen and let's see I guess I can I mean I have a bunch but I'll leave it off with

with uh Kubrick's I was about to say his new movie. Not his new movie. His his very first feature length movie, Fear and Desire, I recently picked up. Uh this was

I think I picked it up on a sale. I'm I it's not criterion. It must have been like on some website sale. Anyways. So it's this first feature and this and um

What is it? Lolita are the only two of his I don't have. And he's about to have that huge box set.

Oh I saw that. I haven't seen a price on it yet.

Yeah, it was this. Oh yeah, okay. So it was this Lolita and uh another early one of his that I

I don't have, but it's out of print. So I'm curious that with this big box set, if they're actually because usually when these box sets come out, they'll eventually release them solo. And then I can try to get the two that I wouldn't have. Because if I didn't have any of these on four

I would consider getting the box set. I mean it is a lot of money, but you are getting a lot. But the thing is I'm only missing two of his like I think it's

12 or 11 features. So it's like I don't need to rebuy all of them.

Um but anyway this movie i it takes place in war. It purposely doesn't like date or time the war, but it you know, given the time it looks like uh

Probably like somewhere in in the jungle war. Not not Vietnam, but it looks like that type of setting maybe. And soldiers are lost and they're trying to find like their rendezvous point.

And it's a basically a slow descent to madness. It's the fear, the paranoia, the madness that comes in with the effects of war. It it's not a movie about like big battles and war scenes. It's more just what it mentally does to you.

even like in the downtime when there isn't necessarily a threat going on. Um, well, I guess to what the normal person would receive perceive as a threat.

But yeah, it's it's excellent. I mean you can see some of his techniques even all the way back in his early films. Uh this is obviously like way lower budget as it it's his first feature but

The uh the Kubrick Isms are there, so I it's another one by him I highly recommend. So check that out and that'll leave it at that.

Cool. Yeah, first things first, uh the new last season of the Bear dropped Friday on Netflix. I mean I mean on uh Hulu and Disney Plus and FX of course and uh I keep telling myself I'm not gonna watch the whole thing in a day, but I watch the whole thing in a day'cause it happens and yeah.

I love the show since it started. Um

No some real spoilers here, this but this is brand new. Lot of folks may not watch it yet. They wanted to watch it.

But um it basically takes place the whole season all at one All in one service, kinda like the pit does on TV and I I want keep me to watch that show too'cause I I love

It's killer.

Yeah, I wanna watch that too. But it takes place like that, it takes place over one service'cause it's Basically the service that can save them from from their fate of being closed because uh

Uncle Uncle Uncle Cicero is uh played by Oliver player brilliantly on this show. He's brilliant in everything though. He's great on this show and from my understanding, Chicago Med he's pretty good on too right now. Um Uh is it gonna op keep it open or closed with it with the success of this uh

you know, uh, service and he's cut their budget so they gotta come together and it's all good and um it leads to a pretty satisfying conclusion. So I can't say, Hey, you know

This this sucks. You know,'cause it didn't suck,'cause it's kinda perfect. Um, the only the only thing it was missing was you know,'cause now if you follow the show, you know the J Lee's on there is their mother Dee Dee and

She had a lot of addiction problems and a lot of problems turmoil in her family with with her children and

That's pretty much fixed now. So you really didn't get a big Jamie Lee moment in this season of the show. She's there but you didn't get a big like emotional

Jamie Lee's gonna make me cry uh moment in the show. But um it's good though. I I enjoy I enjoyed it. It felt

It felt really rushed because that's the way it was made, I would say. So it's not it's not terrible. Um it had uh had a Rob Reiner moment in there because um if you watch the show there's a African gentleman that works for for for Carmi who Wants to franchise the the the beef restaurant and

He's able to do that at the end of this season and his big backers, big his big investor was Rob R play by Rob Reiner on the show. So this show will probably decide there where he's talking to somebody on the phone and he's

And the last thing he says is as you wish. So it was a nice it was a nice moment for

A quick shirt.

That Rob Reiner got to play on the show, actually. So it was a nice moment. Um, it wasn't it wasn't cheap. You know, it could have been real cheap, but it wasn't cheap.

'Cause um yeah, Carmi gives the guy a shot and he said it's just you know, go file go follow your dreams basically. Go make a go make your own restaurant. I loved it. I loved this so much. Um

What else did I watch? Today was uh Night of Champions in Saudi. Um WWE pay per view. Their Saudi events are always really big. The rest of their events should be just as big if you ask me. So they spent a lot of money to go there, but this was

This is good through and through and no spoilers here. But well there's gonna be spoilers because people have been watched this, you know, watch the internet but the people that that I wanted to win won for the right reasons and that that makes me happy'cause

Nobody wants to see Cody Rhodes as the champion anymore and then and not even Cody wants to see Cody as a champion anymore. So uh Sami Zayn won.

In in his homeland, he he's from Montreal but he's he's Syrian uh Canadian, so

The very first pay per view they had there he didn't want to go for his religious beliefs, but second time he went and he got to go visit the wall and touch the wall it was a very big deal to him and the fact that he got to win uh

a a heavyweight chant a title. I know I know it's wrestling people. I know it's you know, fake as people would say, but it's it's it's the drama that it creates.

you know, kinda like the bear. It's drama that it creates and I haven't felt this guitar wrestling in in a long time for WWF and WWE because it's been cheapened by the D the TKO corporation and

c cut cut cut the the the the legs from under whoever wants to be creative and so they're they're filtering in little things now and I can appreciate that. Like like Danhausen, you know Danhausen is he's uh

He's not doing much wrestling, but he's doing he's right where he should be, you know, entertaining the crowd.

That's all you can ask for.

I don't know, five years old. So I am forty five now, so that's forty years of wrestling in in my eyeballs. This is why I loved the Atlanta Brave so much when I was a kid'cause

Uh tbs um either either one hundred five or seven oh five the the braves came out came on and but either after the braves or before the braves.

WCW Saturday night came out. So I watched a lot of brains baseball and I watched a lot of W C W wrestling on the super station.

Um I'll leave Rusty alone now, because you know, it's it's yeah. Um

I watched I watched some stuff. Uh

I I watched that last episode of Cape Beer and it gets really strange. Getting stranger and stranger. They brought Julia Lewis back in in in a role but not the role from the movie.

But very, very, very creepy roll and I'm curious what it's it's a lot of I'm curious where this is going at this point. So I'm curious where it's going. That's all I'll say about it.

Stuff besides the show.

Yeah, my mind my mind goes blank. I should I should write these things down, but you know, it is what it is.

But I'm pressed music I've listened to today. I had a great come up. I haven't gotten in my hands yet but

I wanna mono. Um I listen to old man music by the way. So if you look for for new stuff to come out of my mouth, it's more than likely not gonna happen. But I appreciate the small things like that for eight dollars today I wanna

a mono um at Folsom Blues Johnny Cash original pressing and when I get it in my hands I might I might do a little dance or something. You know not for social media but I'm very excited but

Um

Yesterday well since we didn't have we didn't have Wi Fi for like eight days. I listened to a lot of records. But yesterday, uh my friend Dylan sold me a uh original pressing of the first Santana record and I've been listening to a lot of Santana lately because

It's uh it's good shit, the early stuff for sure. Um

Not just, you know, the guitar. Obviously, you know, guitar is a grace. Carlos Santana's a guy on the guitar, everybody knows this, but the percussion I I listen to a lot more than than the guitars because it just

It just pops through the whole goddamn thing. I I

I love it for that. So um

Go listen to some some new stuff you never heard before. But I I'm constantly that's my my shopping mode to find new stuff that I never heard before.

And I'll go this is the only thing I really use Spotify for people is to reference music that I see on whatnot, should I buy it or not? And you know, I find pretty impressive sounds that way. And um Happy about that?

Yeah. I won't talk too much about it'cause I wanna do these films and be fun to do like a you know, Ross popping shows, you know.

be fun to do this in August actually. I love Ron Shelton's movies. Uh Bull Durham.

Whiteman can jump. Uh even Blaze. I I love Blaze and and Tin Cup. Tin Cup's probably my least favorite though. But I like I still like it though. So which tells me, you know,

It's kinda like, you know, pizza. Even if it's bad you still kinda eat it. That's how I feel about Tin Cup with um with Kevin Costner and Renee Russo and

Good old Cheech Marin. Um Yeah. But I watched Play It to the Bone. Um which is a film I saw in theaters. Uh Woody Harrelson.

Antonio Banderas and very

What a got us. Uh Lalina Davidovich uh looking smoking hot in this movie. And uh very young Lucy Lewis shows up in this. What up? Robert Wagner, uh

Tom Sizemore, which I I remember I watched CDL so because I had Tom Sizemore too. Um being very Tom Sizemore this this is a time to be Tom Sizemore in the late nineties, mid nineties.

And uh he's really working in this movie, screaming and stuff. And this film is about two friends who who are who are boxers that basically by design, by by drug overdose and by, you know Yeah, I'll t in a car crash they called up by

Boxing promoters that know who they are, they're former like big deals and now they're not a big deal. But they get to be the undercar for the Tyson fight. So they drive to Vegas and they do that and it's a whole you know

choreographed insanely well. I that's all I'll say. I don't want to talk too much about it, but I like this movie. I would love to do this. And White Men Can't Jump Together in August as like an additional episode. So it might be a thing in your ears before you know it.

'Cause I have I have a whole conversation about why men can't jump that, you know, I can't I can't contain in this conversation. Uh

But I'll leave it at that. Uh tonight today we're doing uh the second installment of, you know, Za Steve Zahn deserves better friends and it's this is uh

I wish other folks were here to talk too because we're we're gonna be ample of course we have a lot to say about these movies I'm sure I know Suzanne does for sure. Uh reality bites

Two nineties yen reality bites, I think from ninety four. I think Suburbia, uh the the Link later one, not the punk rock one.

Is from ninety six.

So right around the same time. Um

Pri prime prime time to be zone, apparently. Uh and what what do we start with? We're gonna go in chronological order because I want to. And we're gonna go with the Ben Stiller directed reality by After the after the retrailer.

[Silence]

Hello?

You've reached the winter of all.

[Music]

uh making this documentary.

My friend.

But it's really about people who are trying Their own identity without having any real

[Music]

And it seems like your friends would be perfect for that.

I truly believe that.

Two women on the Supreme

We can get it.

At least one on you, so.

Lost my job.

Why don't you get a job at Bergamama?

I was valedictorian of my university.

Well yeah.

You don't have to put that down on your application.

Do you have any idea what it means to be a cashier at Wienership?

There you go, sir. And have it too in Wiener Dude.

And a little bit of conversation.

You and me in five

[Music]

She's sloppy, he's a total nightmare for the women.

Can't believe it

I haven't slept in them yet.

Are you religious?

I guess I'm uh

[Music]

Hey, I'm a non-practicing virgin.

Did he dazzle you with his

Extensive knowledge of mineral water?

What is your

glitch.

Why are you acting?

[Music]

You look beautiful. You look you look like

[Music]

I think the moment has been appropriately captured.

[Music]

Reality Bites, nineteen ninety four. Uh, yeah.

This is your plot synopsis of documentary filmmaker and her fellow D G I say D D generation X, but that that's not Generation X Radio Faced life after college, n looking for work in l in and in love in Houston.

Um, let's get a cast in it I I'll tell you all the alarm.

So we see that that's that's good. That's a good thing about this movie. Uh when we're a writer as as Lil uh Liliana, Liliana Goddamn that doesn't matter. Uh

Ethan Hawk a as is Troy Dyer. Kidding Garoppolo as Vicky. Our man Steve Zahn is as Sammy.

Uh Ben Stiller as uh Yuppie Scum, Michael. Um Mom and Dad, excellent mom and dad, Swoosie Kurtz as as as Noni's mama, and Joe Don Baker as her daddy.

Excellent, excellent, excellent. Um John Mahoney shows up in this a as as Grant Goobler or her uh Noni's boss. Um I've been calling her Noni for years by the way. I don't give a shit. Yeah.

Andy Dick shows up with us and want to punch his face. Uh so there's that.

Renee Zellweger, blinking and mister. She's uh she shows up in this too. This is nineteen ninety four I as obviously. Um

Other folks too. Um

And Mira.

Yeah, yeah, and Mira mom shows up in this, uh, Fenstor's mom.

Keith David shows up in this for a hot second. A lot of folks are there for hot seconds, you know, so there's uh

Um and it's the psychic phone operator,'cause you know this was the thing in night that's how you interview in nineteen ninety four when the psychic friends network is on TV. Amy Tiller, the sister, plays the voice

Play.

Playing the voice of of Sister Cleo on the phone apparently. Uh Oh Karen Duffy.

I'll always remember Karen Duffy and we'll we'll do it on the show one day. I watched Blank Check way too many times as a kid.

Thank you.

And the the creepiness of it now as an adult is like yeah, it's it's pretty fucked up. But uh

I...

I'll kick it right now to mic. Uh thoughts and feelings uh on reality bites, my friend.

Yeah, so it's interesting because I want to say that My bias is because

The first time I saw this movie, I was in my early teens. And this was like about, you know, early to mid-20s something, post-college graduates.

Supposedly.

on the struggle bus figuring out life. So I already somewhat couldn't relate'cause I was young, too young to know anything.

about that. These were like the cool generation ahead of me. Um the second time I saw this movie was for this show. And now I'm in my mid forties.

settling into middle uh age life. So I still can't relate to anything that these characters are complaining about. At least on the surface level. I mean, I know the movie's going for some subtext and themes about life in general, but

What struck me this time watching it was I'm just like, what is it they're whining and complaining about again?'Cause

I mean they are pretty much set up to succeed in life and I I think they're just going through maybe a little like post what you know, post uh graduate what am I gonna do with my life? Um Stress but

Man, um I just find these people whiny and unrelatable. Now, I will say the cast.

is great. A lot of mainstays that I am big fans of. I think some of the

short cameos by characters are even cooler. Like I I totally forgot that Andy Dick shows up in this. So that was interesting. Then I think a girl that uh Ben Siller's character is with is uh

Chloe's seven, yeah, right. Like he shows up with her, and she's pretty young in this. Uh but yeah, um

I don't know. It it's like I I understand like no matter where everyone whatever lot everyone is in life, there is going to be some

struggles you're going through. So like I can respect and understand and sympathize with that. But really it's like I I think if you if you showed today's generation of like

graduates, the struggles of these people, they'd be like, That w where where is the struggle? What's going on? I uh I do not relate to this city living s uh struggle from what like I would say like upper middle class, maybe not so as far as like trust fund, maybe, but they

Probably had some funds to live life with. But I mean I'll leave it at that. We uh we can get into more of the plot and stuff once everyone gets their general opening thoughts out about it.

[Silence]

Go ahead, Sue. I know you got some stuff to say, girl.

Okay. Um you're in your early teens. I had j I had just turned twenty two.

And my friends rented this. It was one of the last nights before I packed my shit into two large bags and moved fifteen mile fifteen hundred miles away from home.

And there is not a single likable character. There is a redeeming character.

Let's see.

is the most unreality reality bites ever.

Things just don't fucking work that way.

And.

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Liana is, I think, the least redemptive character in the whole fucking thing. She is highly unlikable.

She is a meme meme.

Mm-hmm.

And the most redemptive character, I have to admit, Sammy is kind of a non-entity. He's there, he decides to uh You know, practicing coming out to his mother.

But he's almost a non entity in this and it's really sad because he was a good character.

And can we talk about Gene Garofalo's fucking bangs for a second? Holy, what the fuck?

Yeah.

I fucking hate.

Everyone, you know how many fucking band guys I knew that acted like him?

I can't fucking stand a single person. It sucks because the soundtrack's killer. I have to admit, because of this movie, I actually hate my Sharona. And I used to like it.

And when I was working in a bar one night and I had, you know, the music was kinda on the background, that song came on, a bunch of fucking, you know, bachelorette party. Oh, crank this up like no. No no no no no no. This is a shop in your place.

You you won't regret it, is what she said in the convenience store, okay. You won't regret it, you know.

I regret watching this movie again.

Yeah.

But there's no redemption whatsoever. And by the way, Like I said, I like Bonona Ryder as an actress.

She's a good actress for pulling off what she did, but she's like a hateful fucking bitch in this movie.

She and then um let's be honest, she has mustache and they did not light her face well in a couple of different scenes because my god, my husband, uh he gets five o'clock shadow at 10 a.m.

She's got a thicker mustache than he.

I don't like anybody in this movie. There is nothing redemptive. And at the time I watched this, like I said, I was so I I was within a few weeks of leaving home for the first time and I'm wondering, am I supposed to act like these fucking people?

No.

I don't I I really just hate everybody in the movie. I'm c I'm gonna kind of go with my horror movie standpoint. If everybody got blown up.

It would have been a happy ending for me. And I'll leave it there. We can tear down a little bit more as we go on, but that's where I stand with this fucking movie.

Yeah, for me, you know, I I watched this, you know, probably probably when it came out right around then, like like Mike and you can't really relate to these people but but you know, you watched it because

This is the time to be these actors as far as like films go,'cause they were in a lot of things.

This it's not time to be Janine Garoppolo or or not Janine Garoppolo and Daria because uh it's basically them playing if you watch Daria playing the same person. Um so you watched it. You watched Ethan Hawk, you watched Janine Garoppolo

Steve Zahn started showing up and things, be this being one of them. You know, started being a recognizable face. And Sammy, you know Is uh again, you you mentioned he's a background character, but I think he's a very important character because

you know, talks about how he's being downplayed because he decided to be a celibate and you know there's He has the most redemption out of any character for that reason because

His his roommate keeps a sex book of dudes that she fucked and casually goes to Planned Parenthood and you know just to see if she she got knocked up or she or she got the hibs from some dude. Yeah, that this it's

It's everything's wrong with the nineties. I that's what I'll say right now.

Anything more pretentious than this is King came two years before with the film singles. Again, great soundtrack. Terrible fucking white people, okay, in that fucking movie. It's just it makes you want to punch the screen.

It's it's funny it it's

Yeah.

It's funny that you bring up singles because I think because it's been so long since I've seen either one of'em, I mixed up or interchange some of them in my memory because there's pro I I'm assuming there's crossover with maybe some of the cast too and just the not

No there isn't

Yeah.

Okay, maybe it's just the nineties aesthetic that is in my head.

aesthetic because they were within I think singles was like ninety two.

Oh and yeah, no, they're also hateful fucking white people too.

And this yeah.

With a killer soundtrack.

Ninety four, I think it was beautiful girls.

Where where were Timothy Hutton's trying to fucking fuck a fuck a a 15 year old Natalie Portman? I think that's what it was. Yeah. I got another big 90s cash blow of fucking hit white folks that you hate.

That are supposed to be grown, but they don't have like grown people. Um, I'll call it the C and O Well Spire Effect, okay? I'll call it that, you know.

Oh God, I destroyed that fucking movie when we did that.

But no this is this is this is fine for what it is, but I I I I I can hate

things about it all day long. Like the whole it is characters. It's not actors. It's characters, motivations.

So if they were going for that, they did a great, great job of making Lil Lilena a real fucking shitty person.

Because she g she she gets a job right at college and at um on Grant Show, played by John Mahoney who's great in the movie. Always get away to pay to pick a star of this film that I love is John Mahoney. This is prime time

I didn't watch that last Fraser thing because, of course, he was missing. And I think that you know, without him and David Hyde Pierce, the show does not work.

So I'm not I'm not gonna watch just Frazier. Um I digress though, but he shows up in this, he's great, but she gets a job with him.

She you know, because she's so goddamn snarky and so fucking so driven to succeed by being an asshole. She loses her job and then

goes to go talk to her roommates played by Steve Zonajini Garoppolo who are you know, they are who they are. I think again, Sammy's very important'cause he's the only real person that you can root for, but he's constantly being shit on.

which is kind of makes you sad.

My problem is he's a pencil stat.

For again, the only the only nice person this whole fucking film is him and that's it. I love Joe Don Baker. He he's giving her a chance to do something. You know, he gives her he gives her the gas card, which you know what do you do with the gas card?

You go to a convenience store with it to buy snacks and you ruin one of the best eighties songs of all time. Now Spill's really good at that. It's good it's good at ruining songs'cause, you know.

They have the my the my charona and the convenience store scene where they're just they're just gyring like white people. And they have the squeeze saw tent to tent uh tend to buy the fruit of another that that that's on

Where you get if you didn't grow up a little doing a terrible white person cabbage patch in the car.

Ha ha

It's like, how do you know it is?

Painful.

What's this? Oh, i uh in the Violet Thumb song. That's the third song they ruined for sure in this movie. Uh'cause You know.

listen to the violent femmes all the time. Uh now it's gonna take a while for me to enjoy listening to that song again.

They're all horrors. That's the biggest problem with the film. Janine Garoppolo's a horror.

Fucking Winona Riders attention whore. Fucking Troy's getting an idiot. God bless him. He's a fucking loser.

Oh no, he's a fucking loser m musician that what do you call a loser musician?

Homeless.

And he's fucking thirsty as fuck too. I I had no doubt that that Michael at the Ben Stiller character, you know, l loved yet you know, Leila Leila fuck her name is. I'm gonna come call her Noni for for for the record, okay?

You love Noni. I I I have no doubt of that, but you know the whole part of you know Okay, they finally fuck. And then you know he comes to the club and then of course he has to throw it in his face as a do you want to tell him or do I tell him?

Why even bring it up?'Cause y you know what? Are are you gonna are are is one somebody gonna punch somebody else? No. Because you guys are both uh fucking vaginas and not in a good way, okay?

Can I play it for a

probably one of the better characters in the movie. Well he directed it so he can you know shed a better light on himself. But he was just this guy that caught up in all of this fucking internal friendship drama.

And he did care.

for her. He sees it, you know, like for the for the last time that he was at the house picking her up, you know, to go to her uh her great premiere of of you know truth because

He took your they took her video clips and and made made a show on the their fake MTV that uh you know this is yeah reality does bite and you guys are everything you think is that's fucking wrong with reality in this fucking one minute clip.

She's just showing how protective fucking w twenty something white Americans are. You you reached the goal.

White Americans.

Yes indeed.

Privilege.

That's that's one thing I'll give um I'll give the roommate character, Janine Rappolo, is that you know, sh she

She was working class at this point. She she she she worked at the gap. She got a promotion at the gap and she was very proud of this. But when fucking Noni's bitch ass got offered a job at the gap, it was too good for her.

So

Oh no no it w no it wasn't good enough. Well no I I I I I have a plan. You know what? Sometimes and believe me, I can truly attest to this, sometimes you take a shitty job until you get to where you're trying to go.

Fucking job.

Her plan was laying on the couch and making bills for her friends, which is not a friend at all. So I would have just kicked her out right fucking there, that right then and there. To say, You gotta go, bitch, you know, right there.

It's just uh she's a horrible fucking person.

Eat my nineties era clear bag Dorito chips and fucking talking to the psychic friends network. Get the fuck out of my house. You've got to go. You gotta go. You know.

I don't care if she made a four hundred dollar phone bill, it's like, you know what? This is this is this is where I cut you off. This is where I lose a friend for four hundred dollars, and now you gotta go, you know.

Have a nice fucking have a nice fucking life, you know, fucking this one and fucking that one.

Well, she fucked a lot of people apparently, her roommates, so there's that yeah.

She had a whole book. That's the most responsible thing in the film, is that she kept a whole book of the dudes she fucked on the date she fucked them.

I'm not sure if she she she wrote whether he climaxed or not. I don't know. Again, pretentious white people i i in the worst way it's fucking movie in uh

Right down to Andy Dick and David Spade, you know, who even David Spade though is more redeeming than most of the characters in the spill because you know what? He's the manager of the hot dog stand.

You know he'd been there for like six months.

Yeah, he just you get six months. He's very proud that he's the manager at the hot dog stand.

So at least he's proud of something.

There is nobody in this film is that is proud of what they accomplished, except the part where they the only redeeming fact of this film, I'll tell you what it is, okay? Where they're getting drunk and watching good times together. That's the the most redeeming quality of this whole film.

I don't know.

I still think Ben Stiller's character is

the most redemptive because he's not a bad guy. He's a little douchey, but

But he's trying though.

Yeah, he's trying. He's

in a position and you know he didn't finish college. He managed to get a good job. And he's trying to push her fucking dream, which is never gonna be good enough.

He's helping, he's helping. I I mean Zara's film but much of love to death in this film he'cause he's he's trying too, but yeah, he is he is the He is the cuckold of this print group, okay?

They must be fucking a stick of a goddamn silver rod dildo up his ass or something and say, You know what? Ta take it, pal. Take it, Sammy, you know.

'Cause he is he is the the foil. This is the the little kid who's standing in the middle of the parents bite, you know, and doesn't quite know what to do, you know.

Yeah, you're right about the Ben Silver thing. He he uh my Michael is is trying though.

Somebody gives somebody a a a goal in this film, yeah. He's he's trying. But he's trying with the wrong people. You know, mu much much like Sammy. He's trying he's trying with the wrong people, you know.

He may thrive somewhere else, but uh Oh one thing I love about this film is they're little they're little in your face cuts.

And I laugh so hard at this. I didn't laugh much things at Bill but the part where it's fucking Laura Sangia Carmo shows up in this thing and I love I love Judge Shoot me in the TV show so she shows up in this thing.

And she's talking about the the the Crips in the Blood fashion sense.

He's like, you can get this bandana. We'll make you on the side of the Crips or the Bloods. You can get it for low, low price of 75 dollars. I was just dying. That joke would be like.

Hard.

That was her, yeah.

Oh my god, I didn't even recognize her.

Well I recognize that face. He's a very unique face, you know.

No, it's like I'm just shoot me and sex laws and videotape.

That makes sound like I'm calling her ugly and I'm not calling her ugly. She has a very unique face, you know, but I'm not calling her ugly. But uh

No, she's not ugly. She Definitely unique, but she's not ugly, not by a long shot.

Oh boy.

We got a lot to say about this film. Suzanne, uh you wanna keep this party going? Anything else you wanna say about the film?

I hate these fucking people. And I'm glad I never ever had to hang out with well, actually I have hung out with some of the type.

And I would really rather go like something.

Ice picks in my ears or theirs, depending.

I just it it's a well-made movie. I'm not taking anything away from b it being well made and the fact that the characters are so completely fucking hateful.

But yeah, it's it's I probably will never watch this movie again.

Yeah, probably. I watched I watched it more than I don't know, six times probably. Yeah, I guess'cause I it's one of those things I turn on that where where do I do wanna hate myself for a while? I'll watch reality bites. So it's kinda like

It's kinda like the shock treatments uh of cin uh cinema, but not in a good way. Uh Michael, anything else you want to say about the film?

Uh you guys

covered it pretty well. I mean uh the cast is there and I would you know, I'm thinking like for newer generations that might listen to this show and haven't seen it.

If you wanna go see w like uh some familiar actors and actresses when they were young in their early twenties, see what they were all about, see what the early to mid nineties was about.

At least in this movie. Um Cho you know, go see it. Like Suzanne said, it's not poorly made. It's just uh

These characters are unlikable. It's it's very hard to sympathize with their so called plight that they're going through.

Um but it is kind of a time capsule. It does capture the feeling of like kind of like the upper middle class metropolitan city.

youth I guess. A certain sect of youth I would say this is accurate too, but I think some people see this and just think that is like the nineties completely and it's like no it's just a little part of it so I'll leave it at that.

Cool. Yeah, um, as as much as I think, you know, this is everything that's wrong with the nineties in in a movie,'cause it kinda is.

But it's I think it's important, you know, as as a young person, I'd say in a in a tw twenty four or twenty three, you know, to watch something like this, to see You know, where you're making mistakes as an adult because there's a lot of people in this film that are making mistakes as an adult.

And it's not so much her roommates, it's more like Winona Ryder's character who's the character you're meant to to stay with the the character who you're meant to get behind kind of. But at the same time, um You you really shouldn't because she's uh She's a garbage human I I think that, you know

Harvey is the term that comes to mind. Yeah.

Uh it sh should not be looked up to. Yeah, if if you have a good job you keep a good job until you lose say good job. This is the part of being an adult. Yeah, I I work seven days a week and I work gra I work graveyard.

And if I did it if it didn't it if it didn't pay the bills And I did I didn't have to provide for for my household.

I would not go there, but that's the brain of an adult. She's not the brain of adult. She has the brain of a fucking seventeen year old girl who just got a job at fucking Macy's and said, You know what? I really don't want to work ten to two on a Friday. I'm gonna quit.

She she has the mind of that. She doesn't have the mind of a valed Victorian of her college to say I'm gonna be forward thinking. This is not a forward thinking person, so if you look down on somebody, yeah. Look down on her. The other people pretty much know who they are.

Yeah well I mean all she had to do was keep her fucking mouth shut, do her job, gain that experience, but no, she had to be a twat.

The other ones, you know, it's as shitty as they are, they they do understand their place in life. You know, you got

Got Janine Garoppolo who's you know very working class at this point. She's press she's proud of her job. She's proud that she's employed. Sammy, I don't know kinda kinda what his feelings are. He kinda stays out of you know stuff, but you could tell he's

you know, comfortable with his place in life, you know, working and and you know, striving kind of.

Uh even Troy. Troy who's he's in a band, shot to mention uh singles has um Matt Dillon's backing band is Pearl Jam.

in that film. Um Ethan Hawk's backing band is the Lemon Heads in this film. I think I think most of the Lemon Heads are there. I know Evan Dando's in there for sure.

Um, I imagine the rest of the band's there too, I have to look this up. But um

Yeah, Chloe c I I didn't see Chloe's uh Saveny's uh credit in the movie, but she might she might have showed up on there. First credit I saw was nineteen ninety five and that was kids and that's a film that I'll never do on this show.

I'll never I'll never give Harmony Current the time of day because you know what? It's not corporate. They're just fucking terrible fucking children and

They're fucking fucking each other and fucking doing drugs each other. Guess what? At the end, they all get fucking AIDS or something. I could be I I w I'm I'm I'm I'm applauding at this point.

And I should not be applauding kids getting fucking diseased in your fucking movie. So this is the one time gonna mention your name Harmony Corinne, you fucking pretentious fucking douchebag. I will never do kids or fucking gummo on the show ever because

You can keep that shit. I I don't need that. There are worse things in reality bites and that's fucking kids, okay? It's a painful experience to watch.

Uh I'll throw I'll I will actually throw gummo above kids for most hated

Yeah.

Hey T spaghetti to bath though. Yeah, that's real bucking quirky. Come on though, you know.

But no, this this is again, it's it's a it's a cautionary tale and I think it's important to watch for that reason, just to watch how you should not act as an adult, yes as a young adult because It doesn't work w w when you're up and coming.

care that less about what you're doing. It does work that way if you're supposedly on your own, you know.

You got people behind you, but when you have people behind you, if you got three or four roommates or something, you all gotta work as a unit as far as like friendship goes.

Financials our main character gave no fucks and I hate her guts for that reason.

But yeah, good good times. Um

I w I will leave it at that. And we're gonna move on to our next uh I got a feeling this is gonna get rough.

But I like I like this movie too, we're gonna do next. Um we'll talk about that. That's nineteen ninety six's suburbia, uh directed by the great Richard Blink Later. And we're gonna get to that right in the trailer.

[Silence]

Nothing ever changes, man. Fifty years from now, we're all gonna be dead. And there'll be new people standing here, drinking beer, eating pizza, bitching and moaning about the price of Oreos, and they won't even know we were ever here.

Yo, you're getting me all upset here.

[Music]

Thank you.

[Music]

Pony?

What's

A pony.

Played the folk music at the senior prom.

Well you wanted to get together with your close friend pony the rock star.

[Music]

Shot my TV.

[Music]

Okay.

[Music]

It's this tar pit of that we're all stuck in.

[Music]

What are we doing, Jeff?

I'm moving out to LA. Oh, that's nice.

There are many convenience stores there for you to stand in front.

[Music]

Suburbia nineteen ninety six uh your sheep of directed by Rich Richard Linkletter, written by Richard Linkletter, I think.

Eric Pavel.

Yeah, he'cause he wrote he wrote the drama, yeah. He this based off his um what radio drama or something he did for this?

Something like that.

Top right.

Yeah.

Yeah, talk right there. Well, yeah, that's the other movie he he he was participated in. But um yeah, Eric Pagosian.

Star of uh

Under Siege two, Dark Territory. Uh underrated action movie, I'll say all day long. Anything that's on a train I enjoy, don't ask me why. I just enjoy these things. Even if it involves Steven Seagal.

Uh suburban your cheap applause synopsis says a group group of suburban teenagers try to support each other. Are you sure about that? Through a dip through difficult tasks of of becoming adults. They're already adults. It's a shitty synopsis who wrote that shit.

But uh this has got a big cast too of nineties, folks that you probably know. Uh G Runner Ravisi, who's a a director now. Um what was the one that he made, Mike? Which horror film was that?

Was he in the gift?

No, he made he made a hor he may he redirected a horror film. Oh.

that he made. Yeah. Uh it was pretty recent, wasn't it? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I'm off the line.

Hold on, I'm locked in.

Steve Zahn shows up and this is Buff, uh the the their fun friend.

Uh Jay Spartox shows up as Pony, uh their douchebag rock and roll friend. I'm gonna give these guys all names, okay, you know.

Uh, or yet. Amy Corey shows up as Suze, your potentious art friend. Nikki Cat shows up as your your drunk military friend. Um

A Jay Naidu Nazir as as as uh Chewd Hurry, who's the the convenience store um owner who's uh pretty prominent in this film. I think he's he I think he was in office space for sure.

Uh Parker Posey, um the great Parker Posey, I'll say it all day long. As Erica, uh Pony's manager, uh

Very sad girl. Uh she did her in real life. I was about that bad for this fucking movie. Uh D Dina Speebby Waters as BB, uh their friend.

Not B be the robot. No, that that robot rocked though.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

I was gonna say this movie probably could use a deadly friend showing up, but you know.

No, the only thing I've got him showing up as a director credit for is Sneaky P.

It was a newer film too.

God damn you, Giovanni. I've loved you for so many years. Ever since my two dads. That's how far I go back with Giovanni Rabisi.

Uh boy. I'm gonna kick it to m Suzanne first and uh while I'm looking for this. Uh thoughts uh thoughts and prayers for the for the white folks in suburbia.

Wow. I have to admit I Shock and spra I love the soundtrack.

I'm getting some ministry, I'm getting some skinny poppy, I'm getting all of that.

Industrial things that I love very dearly. Once again, we have horrible fucking people.

And I think we've all known the Suze type, who's the, you know, the consummate artist who's a complete and total fucking basket case and pretty much is useless.

Uh Tim, who washed out of the service, who looks down upon everybody.

And then you know, you've got your your philosopher, which is Giovanni Ravisi's character, Jeff.

The tragic figure and this is BB.

She was just nothing but a side character, but everybody was, it's kind of when they'd have a moment where they weren't thinking about themselves, oh, where'd she go? Where'd she go?

Pony for me is probably the most interesting character in the entire movie. I find him

He just you know, he he got lucky. He made it big.

He came back to kind of hang out with his friend.

And he's getting shit on by everybody around uh by by Jeff, by Tim. Everybody's looking down at him like

You know, yo dude, you sold out. Every fucking seat in the house, get for Pode.

He's trying to reach out to his friends with opportunities, although I find Sue's the one who has is the least redemptive of those.

It's just once again, it's one of those like and we discussed earlier, the slice of life moves.

It's what it's like when you're not really you don't have any money. You're just kind of trying to find a spot to hang out with your friends. And the most sympathetic character is the the shop owner in his wife.

I mean, they're just fucking with him to fuck with him.

And he's the one who's actually busting his ass.

Trying to run a business and further his hisself. But no, it's never good enough for these fucking people.

All they want to do is find someone littler than them and beat up on them. For me, the main thread of this movie.

It's I'm just fucking with this poor guy.

And then what?

what else do they have to do? They're obviously jobless, but yet they always can, you know, scratch together some change for fucking beer.

They're horrible fucking human beings too. But with a great soundtrack.

So I once again I'm back to this point where I I rented this when it came out because I loved Dazed and Confused. I couldn't wait to see the next movie that he did.

But fuck all of these people are And Tim, my God.

This guy literally needed someone to just hull off and punch him in the fucking face to shut him the fuck up. And Jeff was just once again, he's your closet philosopher that I will live in poverty before I will take any money from anyone for anything.

It's like I said, the tragedy comes at the very end of the movie.

And it's once again it's a side character, but she's in enough scenes That you can see that she's not she's part of the group, but not part of the group.

Everybody's like looking over their shoulder for her, but no one actually cares.

Nobody in this movie cares about anything.

I Tony cares about his friends, he'd already been worth caring for.

[Silence]

I I I don't know. I just what is it about this time frame where they just and the thing is I I'm sure we all know people like this.

Bring new people like it because God knows they probably couldn't survive.

But was everybody this shitty? I don't remember being this shitty. I remember trying to start my own fucking life up going to work at a shitty job and not bitching about it because it paid well.

But all anybody does is complain and complain and complain.

There's Once again, we have another movie that is filled with caricatures of what could possibly be actual humans.

They all, most of them fucking suck. There are three redeeming characters, Beattie, Pony, and Nizir, I think that was his name.

Just trying to fucking get by. One guy is trying to just make a living, finish his degree to, you know, get him and his wife out of a fucking convenience store. Pony who got lucky.

And BB who's uh just kind of an afterthought for everybody. She's like that friend that everybody has that makes people go, oh No, they're all fucking awful people.

Erica once again, another character, she's great, but she's more of a non entity to me.

I think I'm just gonna drop it there. It's maybe once we can get the ball rolling, I'll add a little bit more. But this is how I feel about.

[Silence]

Fair enough. Mike.

Yeah, so I kind of feel similar like Here we have a completely different group of friends from I would say a different like socioeconomic class.

Well, uh they're still mostly white dudes. Um, but um I would say not upper middle class, probably, you know, your middle class suburbs.

But really, what is it they're complaining about? It doesn't seem like they've tried to do much with their life and failed. They just

have kind of resigned to just doing nothing. Except um we have like the the artist chick who she is She is making the decision to, I think, Suze, yeah, uh, in the movie, she is actually.

taking the opportunities, the seemingly opportunity. We'll see. I mean, I would be curious if that panned out, but at least she's trying um to improve her situation and she's kind of getting dragged down by her I don't know if it was like officially her boyfriend or partner

Friends with benefits. But um

He's like almost trying to talk her out of like possibly first going to school'cause I think her initial thing was going to NYU or somewhere in New York for an art school. And then the opportunity to go to LA

to work on Pony's, I think album art was it? Yeah. And

Her boyfriend's just trying to be a drag about all of it. Meanwhile, he ain't doing shit. Like he wants to talk pseudo philosophy outside of a convenience store, like at night. Um Steve's on hilarious.

the reason we are doing this episode, cause Zon is always great and he is

most of the comic relief to me in in this movie. So it's nice to get like his his scenes when he's giving us some comic relief in a break from the pretentiousness. And yeah, uh

I don't know. Well, here's the thing. I I have read so I actually did see this when it came out. I I would have been

middle my teens back then. And I have since read that the movie's actually supposed to be like a satire and not played straight. I wasn't

I didn't know that'til like recently. Um probably'cause I haven't seen it in so long.

Yeah.

Um that's not like a uh For certain thing, I've just heard different people's'cause since I went out and looked at different reviews, some people say they looked at it as like a satire of.

the Gen X and like how they're just kind of like aimlessly wandering through life. It it kinda reminds me of like stuff of going way back to

Satirizing the same thing in like a movie like The Graduate with Dustin Hoffman's character, like the kids of the greatest generation that got set up with like a good

uh foundation in life and because there's less of a struggle, they're just kind of aimless and unmotivated to improve anything. So

I'm not sure. I guess Sorbi you can look at it either way. Um as a satire, maybe it's just more funny if you're supposed to be kind of like gawking and poking fun at all these people. Pony, his uh set Him coming back to town after having somewhat made it.

It reminds me of the offspring song The Kids Aren't Alright and I think that song does it better than this movie does it, to be honest. Basically

Yeah. You're you're the one person from your neighborhood that like got really big and successful and then when you come back to visit everyone and you try to like blend back in seamlessly, like nothing's changed.

you just can't do it and you kinda look around and you almost feel like some sympathy and you feel bad that no one else has been able to like advance in their own life outside of your small town. And lastly for my opening thoughts I will say

As someone who grew up in the suburbs, I kinda like the suburbs. I mean I

I I understand like w the j uh the negatives of it, especially if you're young and you're looking to go do things. There's not always a ton in the suburbs, but

I had a pretty okay upbringing in the suburbs. I from a very young age I learned how to uh ride the bus. I learned the bus route. So like when I wanted to get out and go explore

I knew how to do it. Now that probably doesn't apply to today's youth because I don't know how comfortable people are with like their eleven and twelve year olds getting on the bus, but I sure as hell did it cause I wanted to go see movies and my parents

owned a small store and were not available to take me all the time, so I guess that was just me being resourceful as a nineties kid, but um suburbs

I would say a little underrated for growing up, but obviously not for these characters. They seem to be miserable.

But I never really understand why. I mean I don't get a picture of why they're miserable in this movie. Again, just like reality bites, I love the cast, I love their acting.

It's just like one of those things where I would say out of the two, maybe I find these

this group more a little more relatable because I I looks like they come from the some soci same socioeconomic class. So I can relate to some of like the mindless boredom you could get in the suburbs and

And uh that kind of stuff. But

Man, to me there's nothing in this movie that would be holding these characters back except themselves. Like and that's kind of what the uh the convenience store guy said to him at the end, like you You were giving it all and throw it all away or something like that, whatever the exact quote is.

From Nazir and uh Nazir speaks like the wise the he speaks the wisest words in the whole movie and it's like a couple of sentences. So Back to you, Gary.

Uh can I like interject one thing? I mean I can

Thank you.

A lot it just seems like they're caricatures.

You know, it's like you got, you know, the badass guy that washed out. You've got the quirky arty type. You it's basically the breakfast club. You've got the basket cage.

And I think if we had to pick the geek it would be Giovanni Riv Rubisi.

I don't know who the jock is. I would have to say that'd probably be Steve Zahn's character, but they are characters.

But it just seems like at least is especially because I'm a few years older than you guys. I was in my mid-20s.

And a cat running into these

Which I think makes me dislike them even more. And that's just my personal feeling.

Cool. Yeah, I think a big theme of th and by the way, Geneva Rabisi Rabisi uh produced and was the DOP on Strange Darling. That was the one I was thinking of.

You didn't direct it, but I I um

What was he? He filmed it in sixty millimeter or something. I forget what it was. But he filmed it in in in like old school film way, kinda way, and that was kinda kinda neat actually.

But that's uh what I was thinking of. So he did not direct, he was the DOP and producer on was uh the recent horror film Strange Darling, which I thought was pretty good pretty good horror film. Um

But yeah, I think a big theme of this film is resentment and you get you get you hear some things here and there, um, for from um

What's Nicky Cannon's character again? What's his name again?

Nicky Cat. Um the d I'm sorry, the late Nicky Cat.

You can tell that he he's from that town. I I imagine in Texas is this is a link letter joint after all. And um he was a former glory boy football player who was in the military, got washed out of the military somehow.

And and there's there's a there's a big sense of resentment there. Now Jeff, his feelings towards Pony, you know, he he has the biggest resentment of all because

He came up with Pony, he he musically with Pony, they were friends, they wrote music together, they they they played together. Yeah, he feels that Pony took all the glory it uh of what they created and and ran with it and

doesn't give him any credit for for this for the for the part of that he created, which you know, it's it's it's valid. I don't know how valid it is, but it's very valid to him and he's very very upset by that of somebody who's supposed to be his friend or supposed to be his partner in that sense and

It's uh it's resentment amongst friends like that and he resent resentment of Sue's

wanting to go to NYU and be be better. You know, what what um what I I forget the line but something about well how much to deal with this well you you another deal. You either go or you don't go. You're just gonna sit in this convenience store and hang out anyway. So

So either you go to New York with me or you are you you keep in your station, which is hanging out with your buddies, which you know if you

Had the means, like our man Tim, who gives no fucks, but he gets a check from the government every every mu every every so long. And So he doesn't care as long as he has beer and I guess um Something to stick it in because you know that you know

Yeah, but he couldn't get it up.

He couldn't get it up and you know, the whole idea...

Of him possibly killing her in a van.

It seemed very valid, but you know, when he got to the end, you kinda felt good for good old Buff, good old Steve Zahn, because he was bragging to Jeff that he he went back to the fourth season and he got some play.

But Jeff, which is a confusing part that maybe he for foreseen what happens later on, which will spoil for you real soon here.

But th they she was really dead but he never looked in the van'cause he's that kind of guy that's a real douchebag that wouldn't go

Go look in a van, but call the police anyway. Supposedly, a lot of supposedly there. I don't know. But uh B B, um, you know.

But I I think they hail her character great in this film because she was that shy girl that would that was uh that was um she was his friend.

But you know, she was she you seem like and for for good reason she kinda hung with Suze'cause Suze kinda had her back. She kinda protected her emotionally, you know, for from things. They don't really show that in the film.

'Cause they're all like, Oh, what where where's B? Where's B B? And you find out where BB is, BB's at home deciding whether she wants to down pills and alcohol and do herself in.

You find out later that that she was on the roof, you know, that the that you know, because Tim was going crazy after he got arrested by uh

by the the the local police and going crazy to the convenience store again and they find her on the roof and you know, thank God, you know, she's still alive by the end of this movie.'Cause I I would feel really bad if she passed away and uh

I hope she lives and that's what you're what you how you're end your movie is does she live or die'cause at this point all that's all that matters at this point is is is if she's okay.'Cause

they they handle mental illness pretty well in this film too because I've known friends that are have been put away l like her into into a facility for d for just being You know, what they what they feel is a mental case.

And being damaged by their time there because they are not mental cases. And that's that's Phoebe's character in this film. And very shy girl but with a very, you know, dark past and dark feelings for for for those reasons and

I I had some some some tears a little bit, I'm not gonna lie to you, when she was talking of I think she was talking of Buff. Buff was trying to to get some love in of course, but she was trying to be, you know, put all on the table of what she's all about and

I really appreciate that about this movie. I can't say I had those feelings for reality bites, but Yeah, yeah, resentment's a big theme in this film and I think, you know, resentment is an adult

resentment on the way things went, which you know, one of those people, you know, Tim has the biggest resentment because he was

obviously the town's big golden boy, but then he wasn't a golden boy anymore. Now he's just a town drunk who washed out of the military and washed out of football. And imagine

Never went to college but but decided if you go to the military and there's more of a story there, I'm sure I would love the more

Yeah, that's big no too. I would love to more know more about a few of these characters and and why they got to where they were, but you don't really get that. It's more like a collection of of big big nets that that that work together and uh

I I like this a lot. I watched it on cable a ton. It was on HBO a ton. This is where I fell in love with it. And as much as I hate the people in this movie, a lot of them I can appreciate, you know, the the like Mike said, Nazir, the the the the convenience store owner.

Basically saying, you know, we're the same, but we're not the same.

Yeah, you you had every opportunity to to you know, to to be better as a human being. But you know, here I am every night, you know, sweeping the lot and showing I've always appreciated I I go into like small

Impo what they would call impoverished areas. Okay.

And I go into a grocery store and it doesn't smell and it's not messy. That means they show pride in something. This guy showed pride in himself and his family. His wife was pregnant.

And in in the story he showed pride in something. Now not many folks this film show pride in anything. So that little that little aside with him and Jeff was very valuable in the film and

I didn't mention, but this is another trilogy of Winkler. Yeah, he has, I think, with the Sunrise trilogy with Ethan Hawk and them, and then he has

The s the seventies, eighties and nineties trilogy, which had this movie. I mean, which is the nineties.

Uh later on everybody wants some, which is very eighties and then Daisy Confused, of course. I'd say I'd say watch all three, you know, in that order, I'd say, if you want to. Uh but

Everybody wants some is is a lot of fun. Uh a bunch of Bo Hunk baseball players in Texas and I could I gotta love that. Um

But yeah, good going back to watching this one, I'm glad we we covered it last'cause I I I I have more of an emotional bend to these characters than you would think. So there's that.

Uh Suzy Seuss of the Seven Seos, uh final thoughts, girly.

Okay, let me try to phrase this the way I want to. I think when these movies came out, like I said, I was in my mid twenties. I was living on my own.

Working my ass off to make sure I had rent and bills covered.

Yeah, I would have taken that shitty job at the gap if I got fired.

I always tried to be a good friend until I couldn't be.

But a lot of these characters, and I know this one is satire, they're caricatures.

I would never I would cross the fucking street.

And like I said, I've I've worked that shitty job where I've got people throwing shit at the windows. You know what? You're a fucking loser.

If this is the best you can do.

Fine. Have at it!

But I just there's so few redeemable qualities in that I have to at least find a little bit, at least with.

You know, Vicky is redeemable.

Michael's redeemable in reality bites.

BB is the only redeemable one. Like I said, I've known Sue's type.

You know what? They'll get a big break, and then they will turn into a shiftless couch surfing slug.

Or sorry, leech.

I just don't like any of these fucking people.

I would never I ever find myself hanging out with anybody like them. They're well made movies.

But I'm just saying I think for me at least A lot of those things touch a little too close to the people that I've known.

So I think this is why I I lashed out pretty fucking hard.

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And I have myself on mute so does that Mike

Uh yeah. I like I said before, I relate somewhat to this group of friends over the ones in reality bite. I mean I recognize these characters, I grew up

With uh more these type of people and you know, they're my friends and eventually you kinda move on in life and you hope they go on to do something other

hang out at convenience stores harassing the store owner. But at the end of the day, um

Yeah, yeah, I I don't know if there's much of an arc for these characters either. Are they different people by the end of the movie? Not really. And like I said, if you If you treat this as a satire, then maybe

the intention, the the purpose. Maybe it's to turn like a mirror back on

the generation say what did we really have to complain about? At least like the the majority of us. Obviously, you know, there was obviously people going through real things in that time period.

These guys

Not so much. I mean nothing that was insurmountable to overcome.

And

Instead of it.

They can just be a little douchey, a little pretentious, but I still love Steve Zahn and I loved him in this movie because it's Steve Zahn.

Yeah.

Thank you, Steve Zon, for providing jokes and hilarity. Um, like you always do. You'll you always make a cast better.

No, he always provides that lighter edge.

Yeah. Uh I will say it's about Buff though, Steve Zahn's character, is that he's he's that best kind of friend.

to where he's not really brings much of the conversation, but he's loyal. You could tell that, you know, if if you know, Jeff had to like get get in a skirmish with somebody

Buff bee right there jumping on the clown's back trying to stop from hurting his friend. You could tell that he's that r that kind of as goopy as he is, as as stupid as he is, seemingly, he's loyal.

Mm, at the end of the day he's even loyal to to to Parker Bowes' character, to to where he he he's

Kinda like that guy, they that cabana boy she keep around to take surfing and you know, fuck on occasion in California. She she I can see a whole separate life for for Buff and Erica in California. Just you know, living there

He's sitting on the couch fucking eating fucking Dorita chips and drinking fucking

It's just not doing much, but you know what? He he's her private commander boy and I think he'd be just fine with that life. Okay?

And yeah, because he's loyal. He's loyal and I love that about his character. But yeah, this bell itself i it has a lot more to say than reality bites.

I I think a a lot two years later has matured the the the watching audience. I think the filmmaker and the writer, uh Bogosian and Link later have a lot to do with you know how much I like

as compared to, you know, I I hate to put it, inexperienced Ben Stiller. I think he was doing the Ben Stiller show at this point, which I I think is highly underrated as a as a sketch comedy series.

Didn't last long but yeah, I really enjoy. It's right at a time where like a lot of'em are coming out. Like I I wish I could find and I think that they're maybe Amazon has them. Uh Sean Liguizamos House of Bugging.

Which was like the Latin version of of Inc Living Color and I watched another Fox Network, I did and This is why I watched the film The Pest more than ten times in my life because The test feels like House of Bugging if it was a movie.

This is why I I watched it many times. But this this this film I think it has a lot more to say than reality bites as far as like as humanity goes, we know the the good the good or the bad, you know, part of humanity.

It has a lot to say about how people are, how people act, how people react and you know the the you know, friendship in general because Jeff didn't care about much except for his jealousy of Pony until the end of that movie to where, you know Their friend was down and

That just proves that, you know,'cause you could tell the whole time they're casually worried about BB. You know, where's BB? You know, she was she was calling BB's mom to see if BB made at home because they kind of knew what what was going on with her, but you know

they didn't want to ruin a Saturday night by talking about I don't think B B did want to want to ruin it either. You know, she just wanted to be there with people that that were familiar and while she was, you know, recovering, you know, from

This horrific ordeal that she was in again. I don't I don't call her a side character at all, I call her in a very important character.

Yeah, it brings it brings the humanity out of these people. And that's that's important. But um

I watched it before and I watched it again. I I own it on digital. Um talking to you uh Shop Factory to give me a proper release of this uh on Blu ray would be great. But um

Never really happened. I think there's a Warner Archive DVD out there at this, and that's about the most of a release that you have right now, of course, VHS that's out there.

My friend Adon's a big purveyor of this movie. I think he has like a press kit and everything else and but yeah, great times. Um

Always celebrates on Ng of Honorabisi. Even even Nikki, Nick Nikki Kat um for the for the I'd say I I'd say for the short time he was around but I'd say about twenty years in there. He has some quality roles.

A lot of films of this era.

I think what one day I I'd like to do that I'd say the superior version of Wall Street, which is boiler room where everybody shows up in that movie, including Jenny Von RC and and Nikki Cat, um

But yeah, lost him lost him, you know, pretty much pretty young. I think in his mid forties he passed away and I was I was really sad to see him go'cause he was one of those character actors that just uh he was always there in in this aero film that I was watching.

if you showed up in things. So if you show up in things that I happen to enjoy, even if you're a side tertiary character, I I I enjoy your work and uh

Start his career on on V, the T V show as as Mike Donovan's son. So there's that. You know

Yeah.

But I love Mickey Cap right now, I'll get depressed. I don't wanna do that. But um

Yeah, that's it for this one. We'll go back to uh the parking lot and pick up our our tin tin beer cans and uh close up the show.

And now

Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.

Presto.

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Something we hope you'll really like.

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Over here we spot some South American gazelles. This gazelle is eating a flood.

Flour.

This lion is eating.

But he'll probably spit out the

Yeah.

This is it? Our entire voiceover for our show on Bears is written on a cocktail napkin.

Yeah, we wrote it last night at PJ Mahoney's.

It's great.

Bears derive their name from a football team in Chicago.

No, wrong.

It is estimated that bears kill over two million salmon a year. Attacks by salmon on bears are much more rare.

Yeah.

All right, that's gotta be true, right? Alright, let's go with that one.

And this is strange wilderness.

We have sound speed now.

No matter how many sea lions are eaten each year by sharks, it never seems like enough.

The show sucks. Two weeks from now, the show is canceled. Thank you very much.

We're not canceled yet. Hey Junior, how about you? Fresh blood, you got any ideas?

Oh right. Sorry.

Do what is on your eyes?

Oh, oh man. I got these tattoos on my eyelids to make it look like when I was sleeping that peop people would think that I was awake.

That's Bigfoot. I know where he's hiding. This is...

is exactly what we needed.

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I'm wearing a tongue.

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In two places on Earth, the northern and southern hemispheres. These sharks are attacking Nicole Ridge.

Yeah.

Yes, the shark is a what the f man, look at that thing's-

Peace.

Strange wilderness.

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Great show guys. Uh great way to close out the month.

I think I may have one more thing on the horizon, a little little one shot,'cause we we accidentally did something for Pride Month and this is Pride Month.

And I just'cause we didn't do anything yet, we may do some may do a small one shot review of a film involving Queens of the Bus and a film that I love. Uh maybe. I'm thinking about it. Uh but I grew up.

Uh happy Pride month, happy Pride Pride Year, G to all all of our L B G T Q, all all the letters. If I got'em wrong, I don't apologi I don't apologize because I'm ignorant.

But I love you all. Uh if you guys didn't figure that out by the time in the tenure of this show.

The love the gays and the buys and the trans people, then yeah, you're not listening to the show correctly. We have lots of love for you guys here and But um stuff coming up next month.

Uh for sure the next show you'll be here will be uh finally a long time coming, people. I hope I actually show up for this.

Uh the man of two in the dark half is coming at you.

as part of, you know, there's something growing on my monthbook college where, you know, the second episode will be total recall'cause, you know, God bless bless Kawatu and Baskin case, you know, I bless Bala, um, all day long. Um

But yeah, Mike, if you got stuff coming up, let us know what those things are, sir.

All right, the show we do every week, fresh cuts covering new twenty twenty-six horror movies. The most recent we did was Leviticus.

before that was cracking. And what we got coming up next, I don't know because there's nothing theatrically that released this weekend. So we'll have to pick something from B O D.

Um and that'll probably be recording in the next few days. And the main show, No More Room in Hell. Next up are Derek's picks, which we're recording tomorrow, and I forgot what his picks are, but rest assured, I already I already have them set aside to be watched. I just don't remember what they are.

But uh so that should be probably available

How would

estimate in about a a week. That takes a little longer to edit'cause we do more on the show.

And I think that's actually all I got currently going, other than cinema beef here. So that's it.

Stews you got some on the horizon all.

And no, I think I am gonna start bugging cam so we can go do monster dog. I think monster dog needs to be loved.

Thank you.

Yeah.

I love Monster Dog in a not friendly way. I just love that movie. But no, mostly.

Come on now.

Ha ha ha ha!

sometimes I think I'm King Kong

Oh god, now I'm getting all the feels again. But yeah, that's pretty much any you can always find me here at the beef. And believe me, I always have something to beef about.

Fun, fun. Yeah, what's your I say somebody what's coming up next on this show? You heard that already. Uh no real appearances right now on other podcasts, although uh

Yeah, it's um yeah, there's always a chance to always appreciate when I could not edit something and come burst on somebody's show. But um

Yeah, this show, everything all the great shows you can listen to. Cinema Psyop.

I think Dar um our man Darren just released another episode of uh Psychosomantic recently. Um Big Man Richard Richard Schmidt

300th episode of Hello This is the Doomed show is brand new on your Legion feeds. Go listen to that right away. That's uh that's an amazing, phenomenal feat. Three hundred episodes. And um

I exit for this though. Except next time Man or two and the Dark Half. It should get fucking hairy as fuck. And um Man, it's gonna be fun.

But this is Vegas and Beef Podcast where if you got beef, we've got the grinder. See you next time.

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