Pod Candy - Cults, Crimes & Killers

In 1998, 23-year-old Amy Lynn Bradley vanished without a trace from a Caribbean cruise ship — and her story has haunted the world ever since. In this episode, Stacey, Dori, and Dr. John unpack one of the most chilling disappearances in modern history: Was Amy the victim of foul play, suicide, or something even darker like human trafficking?
From the baffling eyewitness sightings to the disturbing photos that surfaced years later, the hosts dive deep into every theory — mixing compassion, shock, and their trademark dark humor. Join the Pod Candy crew as they sift through the evidence, question the cruise line’s actions, and confront the eerie possibility that Amy Bradley might still be alive.

What is Pod Candy - Cults, Crimes & Killers?

Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.

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Stacey
Candy.

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Speaker 1
A podcast about cults, crimes and killers.

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Unknown
Oh. They.

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Stacy/Dori
Today, we're diving into one of the most unsettling and enduring mysteries of the last few decades. The disappearance of Amy Lynn Bradley

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Stacy/Dori
Amy was a 23 year old from Virginia who vanished while on a Caribbean cruise with her family in 1998. One moment she was sitting on the balcony outside her cabin and then she was gone.

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Stacy/Dori
What makes Amy's case especially chilling is the number of alleged sightings in the years after she disappeared. People claimed to have seen her in tourist areas, in bars and even in situations suggesting human trafficking. It's a story that raises so many questions about safety, accountability and what can happen in places that are supposed to feel carefree.

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Stacy/Dori
And we're going to walk through what happened, what's been reported, and why this case still grips people to this day. This is the story of Amy Bradley.

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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.

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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.

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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.

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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.

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Speaker 1
May.

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Stacy/Dori
don't remember hearing about this before the documentary came out. I don't remember hearing anything about this.

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Stacy/Dori
And it happened in 98. Really strange situation. Confusing with so much stuff. We watched Amy Bradley as missing on Netflix as our source material, and I thought it was well done. It was three episodes. I thought it was well done, but there was a lot of I think in order to create a story or to create conflict, there was a lot of information about people say to, you know, about alleged sightings and, you know, I have a little bit of a theory, but Dory, I would like to know how you felt about this whole this whole case, how you feel about the case.

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Stacy/Dori
So I didn't hear about it either until I, until, I watched it also. And I mean, to be honest, I feel awful. I feel like a lot of compassion for her family. That is holding on hope that this woman is still alive. It makes me very sad. And it's also very sensationalistic. I mean, it has all the good.

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Stacy/Dori
I mean, I personally loved this documentary. I loved watching it because it really kept my interest because there's so many, twists and turns to it. But I think, like watching it and, you know, seeing her with her brother and, and going to the disco and and meeting the, the, the guitarist yellow and then disappearing later that night into the early evening, whether she committed suicide, whether she was kidnaped.

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Stacy/Dori
There's so many questions still to this day

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Speaker 1
And we're both kind of just finishing our drinks and hanging

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Speaker 1
out and talking about the next day. And. She brought up that someone she had been dancing and was talking to during the course of the evening made some sort of physical pass at her. She told me it was the bass player from the band. She didn't make a big deal of it, just kind of mentioned in passing.

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Speaker 1
At that point, you know, we were both tipsy,

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Speaker 1
told her I loved her and see her tomorrow, and shut the glass door behind me and.

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Speaker 1
And, we went to bed.

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Speaker 3
I remember waking somewhere around 530 in the morning. Brad had come in and gone to bed, but I didn't see Amy in there, so I made sure that Amy was okay. And I saw her legs and her feet sitting on the lounge chair on the balcony. So I said, well, she's safe up.

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Unknown
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee.

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Speaker 3
And about 10 to 6, 6:00. Somewhere around there. Something woke me up again.

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Speaker 3
I looked out again and she wasn't there. He. He. I noticed that the balcony door was open about 12 to 14in. I noticed that her cigarets weren't out there.

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Speaker 3
And the shirt that she had on that night was laying on the chair in the room. It was a yellow polo shirt. So the first thing that I'm thinking is she's changed her clothes and went up. She's left the room and she's up getting a cup of coffee, taking pictures because we were coming in to Port.

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Speaker 3
And that's when I left the room. I figured that believe in myself and letting them sleep, that I would. I would find Amy, you know, in just a few minutes, and then everything would be good. But when I didn't, that's when I came back and told Alba, you know, I was. I can't find Amy.

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Stacy/Dori
do want to hear your story, because, Stacey, honestly, in my mind, I went from, oh, no, she's definitely she definitely jumped. No, she definitely was murdered. No, she's definitely still alive. So I want to hear what you think. Okay, so so you, just one thing. You said she disappeared in the evening into the early morning.

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Stacy/Dori
Well, she disappeared in the morning. She was at the disco at night, but she was drinking, as her father said, quote unquote. Only seven beers. Like, if I had seven beers, I would. Okay. Oh, would be legs open to the floor. Who said that? Yeah. Me too. Yeah. And probably passed out, though to me, I, I, you know, I have to be honest with you, I had I had my share of beers in high school.

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Stacy/Dori
There were nights where I had a bunch of beers, and there were times after I had a bunch of beers that I would have nights that were a little bit crazy, but not that kind of a situation. So here's what here's some background on Amy. Now, I know she's gay, and, she seemed, you know, to be sure family seemed okay.

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Stacy/Dori
Everybody seemed to be accepting of her. I don't know if she accepted herself or if something was wrong in terms of her feeling bad. You know, having maybe, maybe having depression. I'm not really sure, but she was excited about the cruise. She had this wonderful woman, her life who I feel so bad for. Who she who she wrote the message in the battle to, which is very ironic.

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Stacy/Dori
And when I heard about the message in the bottle, I had to start thinking that maybe this was a, you know, a suicide. I don't think she fell, but I guess it's possible now. They were so close to shore, I hear that. Why wasn't her body found and was was the cruise ship? Did they not really act appropriately or enough in their case?

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Stacy/Dori
I mean, I understand the panic actually felt the mother's panic when she was talking about when they were disembarking from the cruise, and that that could be when she was losing her. I mean, because everybody was contained in the ship, you know what I mean?

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Stacy/Dori
can we both agree that the cruise director was a total asshole in the air?

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Stacy/Dori
Oh my God, I mean, first of all, you know what? It's just it's just like, what's his name? And Ohio State, it's like, just be honest.

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Stacy/Dori
you know, just just just admit things like, let's just be honest and just. Yeah. So like be kind of more human. As you are interviewed later in life, I think he was so nonchalant about it that, yeah, me,

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Unknown
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Speaker 2
to get off the ship in Curacao. I had bouffant hair at the time, so I was probably spritzing and my hair getting ready to make my appearance on the gangway. And I heard an announcement that, you know, would Aimee Bradley please contact the person? Just ask.

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Speaker 3
You could see people gathering their things up. We're just saying you can't. You can't let people off of this boat until we find her.

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Speaker 2
The hotel director and kind of debrief me. Oh, this girl's missing. But at the time, I still had to make the clearance announcement.

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Speaker 3
I was begging them. Can you back the ship off of the dock? Don't put the gangways down. Stop everything. Oh!

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Speaker 2
We're not going to stop everybody's cruise because there was a missing girl. That's one family's unfortunate incident. But we still had 2400 people who paid a lot of money. And as cool as that sounds, that's the reality.

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Stacy/Dori
but getting back to the suicide of it all, I don't I don't know if I got that impression I felt with the new dog, the new job. It's the woman and we and this is something to that. We can talk to the doctor about. But, you know, it sounded like. Yeah, she had the girlfriend. It sounded like her life was very positive.

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Stacy/Dori
She was excited about going, yeah, I'm just trip.

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Speaker 2
take a look, search and all that, and then we see shoes and the small table pushed up against the balcony and so forth, we have to look at the potentiality of suicide.

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Speaker 1
We did, you know, many interviews with, you know, numerous friends and family and also, you know, outside that immediate bubble just to have a better understanding of, Amy, state of mind, the headspace of the victim.

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Speaker 3
The notion of suicide. I, I thought that, but I also thought you. But Amy loved to be. She would not want to not be here. I do not believe that Amy committed suicide. There's no room for me to believe that. And by the time they went on the trip, she was excited about life. She had just gotten a new job.

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Speaker 3
She had gotten this new bulldog, got an adorable apartment that we were all so excited about because Amy was going to have this space that we could all hang out. The second day, they called home from the cruise and they were having a blast. And she sounded so upbeat and she and Brad had gone shopping saying, I'll see you when I get back home.

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Speaker 3
Can't wait to tell you all about my trip. I got you this gift. I mean, to me, that's not somebody who was

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Stacy/Dori
who knows what happened? Truly, I know when the guy said, like, you know, a shark would have found a leg or something, you know, like a leg would have washed up like nothing. It is. No, there's no trace of her. There's no trace, no trace.

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Stacy/Dori
But then they do. Then they show those photos of her years later. That could have been like. They look like pornographic photos of her. He she being sex trafficked is she, under the spell of, you know, is she so drugged and now, like, kind of like in a cult. Like where she is, like, what do you call it?

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Stacy/Dori
Not hypnotized, but, like, indoctrinated or. Yeah, like deleted. Manipulated or where she was so scared. And when they maybe they're brainwashed. That's the word I was looking for. Thank you. Where she really, truly thought maybe these people would kill her family if she said anything. But now it's been years later. So 25. That was 98. It was like, you know, back when I did the national tour of showboat.

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Stacy/Dori
That's just my marker for nice. I wish we did video like, gosh, how ironic of that. I wish we could show a clip while you just said Show Boat, and then we show Stacey dancing it up in Showboat Charleston. I do know that I still know the Charleston from the end of act two. Completely. But I don't think I would probably break my back.

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Stacy/Dori
But, ironically, Show Boat, Caribbean cruise ship? No. I'm kidding.

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Speaker 3
and people say, well, why hasn't she called you? That's that's probably the biggest question that we get if she's out there. Why don't she call you? Well. A lot of reasons. Maybe she's a victim of Stockholm syndrome. Where? Well, the captive person starts to identify with their captors. Abby is in a situation where she's had children.

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Speaker 3
Maybe they threatened her. Maybe they threatened her children. We don't know any of these answers. It just gives me hope that she's still

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Stacy/Dori
originally I thought human trafficking. It's the only explanation that feel because they didn't have a suspect, they thought, you know, they talk to the yellow, you know, his daughter was, I don't know, that whole. That whole thing with his daughter felt really forced.

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Stacy/Dori
Where she called him. It just didn't feel. What about the. What about the suitcase? Of all of the photos of the Caucasian women that the daughter found? Yeah. And that was another close. Yeah. Yellow. Yeah. Maybe he was fucking around, you know, maybe he was about fucking. Or do you think, like he is a part I again, I'm so like a part of it all over the.

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Stacy/Dori
Yeah. Or was he the one that lured her like he was the conduit and he would. I mean, it's obvious to me that she was maybe interested in drugs or something. Like, you drink that much? Maybe she wants to party more. Does that sound realistic or does that not sound realistic? It sounds realistic. Something was put in her drink, potentially.

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Stacy/Dori
Potentially. Which would which would, you know, which would make sense if, you know, there was a 30 minute period, something had to happen very quickly and no one saw it. So the only thing I can think of is her being hidden or her being pushed, and then like, that's it. Or I guess now that I'm hearing you, I, I at first thought it had to be, you know, there's no suspect.

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Stacy/Dori
There's no real like solid evidence or person that feels even when I heard yellow talking to his daughter, I kind of I believed him. It just. He just sounded honest to me.

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Speaker 1
And then my mom saw that he came home with a bag. My mom looked in the bag.

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Speaker 1
And it was pictures.

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Speaker 1
Pictures of women. Just all Caucasian women. And I think that's what raised a red flag for me.

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Speaker 1
I want this to end. I want, you know.

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Speaker 2
Answers and.

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Speaker 1
My daddy.

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Speaker 2
I don't know, leave. I don't want to go through this again. I didn't do anything wrong. So, you know, what am I supposed to. I don't know, but when you call me to ask a question.

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Speaker 1
I would wish that you put yourself in my shoes and understand how I feel.

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Speaker 2
I mean, God brought FBI on immediately. And then he said to me that they're trying to find the spirit. And I was seeing that. So everybody that had been kicked in a room saw him not drink and walked around it. When you realized nothing was involved, we continued to walk. I took you to walk on the cruise ship until two years later.

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Speaker 1
Why am I hearing the. You were seen on the beach with her.

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Speaker 2
Like this picture which we just saw me on because I don't like beaches. I mean, does I make a. We dance at the club. Like I dance with many people at the club.

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Speaker 1
So you.

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Speaker 2
Get nothing.

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Speaker 1
You don't know if she ever got off the boat.

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Speaker 2
How would I know that? I left in the club at 1:00 and I went to my room. How would I know? But I'm a little boy from Grenada who's never had any experience like this before. I'm sitting there. My name is call. I'm being questioned about something I don't know.

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Speaker 1
Now, my found a bag of pictures of of Caucasian women. Was that you came her way. You know, which may raise a lot of questions that I.

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Speaker 2
Wish one of the picture was with her.

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Speaker 1
I don't know any picture. Yeah. Why is this? It's hard to hold this conversation with you because you get upset.

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Speaker 2
And we take pictures of everybody. The fun didn't come and want to take pictures with you.

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Stacy/Dori
I agree with you. She did not seem depressed.

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Stacy/Dori
She seemed like things were going her way. I didn't sense from her that she was upset about her sexual identity or any of that stuff. It didn't feel that way, but I saw it. Maybe. Maybe she jumped. And why? So that's one thing. But the human trafficking to me, or sex trafficking is the only other thing that I can imagine.

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Stacy/Dori
So what do you think about then? The people that did say that they have seen her over the years and they're adamant, like, you know, I don't know the woman who saw her in the bathroom, like, all like all of that saying, she said her name was Amy and that she had a southern accent. That is crazy to me that they.

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Stacy/Dori
And that is something that the FBI has looked into. Again, nothing has been conclusive. They haven't under there hasn't been like even that this, you know, the documentary ran. I don't think anything has happened since the documentary that they have found near the body. Nothing. You know, that she's still alive or the body. It is something to say to that.

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Stacy/Dori
The FBI kept saying, we can't do anything when it's international waters or where it is. Other countries, they have no jurisdiction over. Right? Right, right. You know, you know, the more you talk, the more it's just to me. If she was trafficked at some point, would she not want to reach out? There's it's all over the news. There's people looking I, I can't imagine in a, in a a world where she wouldn't have a girlfriend reach out, touch base with that girlfriend.

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Stacy/Dori
Missed somebody that poor mother and father and that brother. I feel so bad for him. He can't even have a have kids, is it? She's too traumatized by that situation. Does anybody want to have a child of his own? You know,

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Unknown
Who?

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Speaker 2
Searching. But we won't stop.

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Speaker 1
I don't have children. And I'll be 48 and December. Subconsciously, I think I'd have to admit. You know, watching my parents lose a child. Was so traumatic for me that I'm not willing to put myself in a position to go through that.

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Stacy/Dori
They talk a lot about her sexuality. And I. And I think this is something for the doctor as well.

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Stacy/Dori
But it it almost was like a two parter with her, like. Yeah. You know, she, she definitely was gay, but her life moving forward seems to be in if she is alive, could possibly, could possibly be in sex trafficking in, in and that would be with men. But they also mentioned something about when the woman saw her in the bathroom.

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Stacy/Dori
The kids. Does she have children? Does she not? And like you said, she hasn't reached out at all. If she is alive, that almost makes me think she's not alive. But if like if she is alive, you know, I don't know a lot about brainwashing. And is she after all of these years? Because maybe she is so secluded in a world where they don't have a lot of technology at her fingertips?

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Stacy/Dori
If she's on a remote island still to this day, and they never allowed her to be in front of a computer or by a telephone or anything it could possibly be, she is alive and has just been kept. Now she's an older woman. She's probably like closer to our age, right? Yeah. Which already? Which meaning 35. Yeah, exactly.

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Stacy/Dori
Doctor, if the doctor is 30, 30. Yeah. Yeah, definitely 35. But you know what I'm saying? I don't know, I'm just so confused. I'm still so confused. I mean, again, like, I keep going around,

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Stacy/Dori
Trafficking, brainwashing. What is what was up with Amy and what are John's opinions?

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Stacy/Dori
Do you think we should let him out of the green room? I see crumbs all over the place. I think he's been eating. I don't know, I mean, I don't should this be a good time because I don't. Maybe he needs to stay in there for another 20s. Yeah, we got it. You know, we got to isolate him from his friends and family.

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Stacy/Dori
I mean, he does. He does have a lot of opinions, though. I think he does. All right, let's let him out.

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Unknown
Oh. They.

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Stacy/Dori
what's going on? John.

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Dr. John
The cookies are back. Thank you very much.

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Stacy/Dori
You're welcome.

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Dr. John
Hey, this is good. And these are, I can tell, bakery style cookies as opposed to.

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Stacy/Dori
Yeah, yeah.

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Dr. John
Off the shelf supermarket.

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Stacy/Dori
1,000%, no matter what year these are. These are real, you know, cookies.

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Dr. John
I like the I like the Nespresso for answers to these potential, you know, sponsor Nespresso machine. We got in there now. That's nice. That's good.

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Stacy/Dori
Watch out. The budget is going up. The budget is definitely going up. Yeah. Yes it is.

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Dr. John
A couple of, you know, remarks initially like I always do. I have to agree with Amy. This is so very well. Amy.

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Stacy/Dori
Who's Amy? Wait.

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Dr. John
You Tommy Bradley I I've been to I've been later.

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Stacy/Dori
Oh, sorry.

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Dr. John
I got Amy on my mind. Yes.

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Stacy/Dori
I agree with you, Dory.

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Dr. John
They see they.

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Stacy/Dori
Both.

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Dr. John
Why'd they both end in a Y, I guess.

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Stacy/Dori
Yeah. Okay, so does Dory, but it's an I, it's, you know.

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Dr. John
I, I can I it's not a.

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Stacy/Dori
Dory. Right.

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Dr. John
Sorry. With a y would be kind of cool.

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Stacy/Dori
That's the fish. That's not me that.

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Dr. John
I know, I know, but I agree with Stacy. Well done. Documentary. I, I, one of the best so far that that we've seen. And I'll tell you why, as a writer, the audience doesn't necessarily know that.

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Stacy/Dori
Oh, yes. John is a writer.

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Dr. John
It has. It has the elements of a good story. I mean, there was some red herrings, you know, the crazy guy next door in the other cabin who. Yeah, I know wacky. And as I'm watching that, this document, I'm going, this guy's a creep. You know, there's something going on there. And then there was even a theory that maybe she was trying to climb over the balcony to get into his, suite.

00:26:28:06 - 00:26:55:15
Dr. John
I thought, okay, this is interesting. So I a well done, and all these red herrings and the way they told the story, really, I thought build interest like Dory was saying, you know, I it kept my interest. But in terms of the crime and the story, I think it really compels us to have an episode where we're all detectives here and we're all like, detectives.

00:26:55:17 - 00:27:18:20
Dr. John
What the heck happened here? With this young lady? The other thing I want to say in my opening remarks is, this is sad. This is really a sad story. Really sad. This reminds us of our my, the episode on the, catfishing. You know, the woman that was it was strung along for. So many years with that.

00:27:18:20 - 00:27:20:20
Dr. John
That guy. I forget what episode.

00:27:20:22 - 00:27:24:05
Stacy/Dori
Bobby. Bobby. Bobby. Bobby, Bobby. Sweet Bobby.

00:27:24:07 - 00:27:24:23
Dr. John
Sweet. Bobby.

00:27:24:23 - 00:27:27:11
Stacy/Dori
Bobby. I love that woman. And I felt so bad for her.

00:27:27:11 - 00:27:31:20
Dr. John
And this, this brought those same emotions to me as, like this.

00:27:31:20 - 00:27:38:24
Stacy/Dori
Yeah. It's sad when these people's lives have been hijacked by this thing that they can't figure out. Exactly.

00:27:38:24 - 00:27:47:04
Dr. John
And, you know, I'm sad for Amy because I jump in. I think she's still alive.

00:27:47:06 - 00:27:48:00
Stacy/Dori
What?

00:27:48:02 - 00:27:49:23
Dr. John
I think she's still alive.

00:27:50:00 - 00:27:53:10
Stacy/Dori
This is so exciting. Why tell tell us, tell us.

00:27:53:12 - 00:28:11:17
Dr. John
I think, like Dory was pointing out the evidence. You know, people have seen her, and these are pretty convincing eyewitness accounts. The fellow walking along the beach who, you know, was face to face with her in, I think it was Barbados or something that

00:28:11:17 - 00:28:12:18
Dr. John
and

00:28:12:18 - 00:28:20:14
Dr. John
describes the guy she was with that could have been this yellow which for our audience this is the musician.

00:28:20:14 - 00:28:35:21
Dr. John
She kind of, bonded with. I'm saying that politely bonded with during the cruise. And so I also agree with Dory that that guy's got some connection with possibly the trafficking.

00:28:37:22 - 00:28:56:24
Speaker 1
I looked down the beach and I see three people walking towards us. There's one guy. There's a girl in the middle. And then there's another person who looked like he was from the island. As they came closer to me, she comes right up to me.

00:28:57:01 - 00:29:07:13
Speaker 1
She was in good shape. She was tanned. She was a smoker. I see a tattoo that looks like a.

00:29:07:15 - 00:29:35:12
Speaker 1
Tasmanian devil. And she's just about to say something to me. When the person who was on the inside comes up. I'm looking right at him. He stared at me. Doesn't say a word. And motions her away. If he had not stared at me, I would have forgotten everything. But I can't.

00:29:35:14 - 00:29:47:01
Speaker 1
I think about this every day. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't. And I think if I had 10s more. What would I have done?

00:29:50:23 - 00:30:15:18
Dr. John
So as you both were saying, I think Dory pointed it out in the opening remarks that this yellow A-lister, Douglas, is his real name. His daughter, finds, a suitcase and she opens it up and there's pictures of all these Caucasian women spewing around the suitcase.

00:30:15:20 - 00:30:41:02
Dr. John
I mean, is there potential victims that they're trafficking? Is he like a conduit? I mean, is on a cruise ship, he'd be a perfect one, in my experience. And I've dealt with these human trafficking cases. I'm going to get to that in a few minutes. Is he the conduit? Is he providing the names and pictures of women that then he he sells.

00:30:41:02 - 00:30:47:15
Dr. John
He he makes money off of where he's, you know, putting this all together.

00:30:47:17 - 00:31:08:14
Stacy/Dori
How, they mentioned that A-lister. Yellow. Yellow. I'm just going to call him yellow. That he took a polygraph and the FBI said that that came, what? Inconclusive. Can you talk about that a little with, with polygraph test and what that means?

00:31:08:15 - 00:31:42:01
Dr. John
Thank you. I'm chomping at the bit to talk about that. First of all, as probably everyone in the universe knows, they're not admissible in court. Polygraphs. Well, why? It's not a perfect science. You can fool a polygraph. It it measures, you know, your physiological reactions to the questions. And quite frankly, if you're, a cool customer and you, you know, answer, you know, calmly and, make it seem like you believe your answers.

00:31:42:01 - 00:32:10:08
Dr. John
You can you can fool that. Playing around with my work with the FBI in my many years ago, I took a polygraph and purposely, fooled it, you know, purposely, you know, past it by lying. And if you just keep you keep your in a mindset, which you can do almost through, like a meditation or a self-hypnosis or meditation is probably a better example.

00:32:10:10 - 00:32:20:24
Dr. John
You can you can pass a polygraph, you know, so, the polygraph wasn't convincing to me. His the way he talks, like Stacy said,

00:32:20:24 - 00:32:29:20
Dr. John
Yeah, when he talks and he talked, there's this interview with the daughter on the documentary, which I also agree was kind of a little weird.

00:32:29:22 - 00:32:31:23
Stacy/Dori
It was just flat. It was just being forced.

00:32:31:23 - 00:32:50:00
Dr. John
Yeah, well, it was, you know, they they even said as they set it up that, you know, we wanted to put it on camera. Her talking to her father. But yeah, I mean, it was convincing sounding, but there's something there like Dory is, is suggesting there's.

00:32:50:00 - 00:32:56:01
Stacy/Dori
That was my initial thought. Yeah. I've gone all over the place with this case. I can't get any now and again.

00:32:56:01 - 00:33:28:05
Dr. John
That's why it was good storytelling. Because you're really confused. Because I do want to. Stacy. I do want to get back to that suicide thing because that. So audience Amy sends a message in a bottle 2 or 3 days before she goes on this cruise with her family. Message in a bottle. And it's a note to her, girlfriend about her feelings towards her.

00:33:28:07 - 00:33:52:00
Dr. John
But it did say how she was confused and unhappy with her life. It was the only hint that there was some trouble in town with with Amy. You know that I'm kind of. You don't know who I am. I don't know if I'm happy with who I am. And then she. This, I think, is awesomely cool to tie in here.

00:33:52:02 - 00:33:55:03
Dr. John
She signs it stranded

00:33:58:12 - 00:34:12:17
Speaker 1
I wasn't returning her phone call, so she resorted to writing letters and a message in a bottle.

00:34:12:19 - 00:34:37:22
Speaker 1
Molly, I hurt you deeper than you can ever forget. I'm not asking you to forget, because that'll never happen. I just wanted to ask you if you could find it in your heart to forgive me. Molly, will you please forgive me? I've been insensitive, immature and selfish. I didn't like the person I was. And I'm not proud of how I acted.

00:34:37:24 - 00:35:02:15
Speaker 1
I feel like there is an ocean between us. Like I'm on a desert island waiting for you to rescue me. A message in a bottle. My only hope. I miss you, Molly. Save me. Please. Stranded. Amy.

00:35:02:15 - 00:35:38:14
Dr. John
message in a bottle cruise. Stranded, which both has the psychological aspect of I'm stranded. I'm alone, I don't know, I'm I'm I'm chained. But also, does it hint that maybe she was going to run away? Her purpose wasn't suicide, but maybe she was going to try to run away or get away for a while and leave the cruise, leave her family and have an adventure.

00:35:38:16 - 00:36:10:24
Stacy/Dori
You have to interested. That is something I haven't even thought about. So thank you for bringing that up. Do you? What about the fact it did sound you know, her parents weren't necessarily thrilled that she was gay. Obviously they they mentioned that, but they loved her anyway. But she seemed as a very close relationship with her brother. If that were the case, that maybe she was thinking, yeah, I want to go find my, you know, like do all of that.

00:36:11:01 - 00:36:30:00
Stacy/Dori
I my, my I guess my against that would be maybe she would tell her brother she was so close. But also the fact that she did get the dog and she got the new place, like, these are all these theories like that. Then I go, but but she did this and she did that.

00:36:30:02 - 00:36:58:18
Dr. John
Well, good point. But. Look at how I termed it. She may be one. They have an adventure. Get away for a while. She had all intention of coming back. There's with the sadness is in. I don't think she meant this as a permanent I'm leaving the world. She had a lot of things to live for. The girlfriend. She did hint at the message in the bottle that, you know, when I come back, we're going to get together, we're going to have a life together.

00:36:58:20 - 00:37:09:05
Dr. John
And the girlfriend, Molly was looking forward to that. You know, I really thought after this cruise, you know, we were going to be together, we were going to be a committed couple, lived together, etc..

00:37:09:07 - 00:37:19:13
Stacy/Dori
I feel bad for her because she seems really empty now. I just, you know, all she is. She just hangs on to that memory of that time. I just she seems like a lovely woman.

00:37:19:18 - 00:37:43:07
Dr. John
Yeah, she she certainly does. And, so I, I think Amy wanted had intentions of coming back, but I'm really, I don't want to say convinced, but if I was called to be the forensic psychologist on this case, I'd say I think she wanted to get away for a while. Have an adventure, you know? So her, oh, so to speak, before she started a job.

00:37:43:07 - 00:38:07:13
Dr. John
How many people do this mean? She's starting a job, a new adventure or a new adventure with her dog? And I want to. I mean, new horizons, I should say. But I want to have this adventure. I want to do something a little different. Crazy. And sadly, she got herself into a mess by doing that.

00:38:07:15 - 00:38:37:02
Stacy/Dori
Okay, so again, I'm like, totally being like, you know, detective Dory on the case. So Didi Didi, detective Dory, so are you saying that if she wanted to go, maybe, like, have some adventure? Are you. She was. She was, I would think, intoxicated that evening. Are you saying she wanted to go have an adventure? Like she thought in her mind before the trip?

00:38:37:02 - 00:39:01:02
Stacy/Dori
Like, hey, we're going to go on this cruise. I want to kind of see, you know what happens. Are you saying that night she decides, oh, I want to, you know, go and adventure. And here's this, you know, yellow guy who's like, hey, like, I can show you around. When her mother said she did not want to get off the cruise.

00:39:01:04 - 00:39:27:16
Dr. John
I think that stranded signature is a super key to the fact that she wanted to do something wild and different, and she. Don't forget these people have never been on a cruise before, so I think she might have thought the cruise was going to be, you know, the adventure in and of itself. Then she meets this kind of, you know, exotic fellow.

00:39:27:20 - 00:39:35:19
Dr. John
This yellow is, Sounds like he was, he was from the Caribbean. Caribbean. Sorry.

00:39:35:19 - 00:39:53:06
Dr. John
Great. You know, voice. You know, this, this great, foreign accent. Handsome guy. And she saw is maybe this is the opportunity to have that adventure I wanted to have, more so even than the cruise.

00:39:53:06 - 00:40:18:16
Dr. John
So I don't think the cruise was the end all be all for. But meeting this yellow, this A-lister Douglas, and going, oh, this could be exotic. You know, these people were from what? Virginia. Chesterfield. Virginia. It looks like they were very colloquial. They didn't go too much. And, you know, kind of stayed in the area. Close family.

00:40:18:18 - 00:40:22:09
Dr. John
I think this was the, you know, explosion for her.

00:40:22:09 - 00:40:37:12
Speaker 1
We were sitting on deck for a while. We weren't ready to go back to the room. It was we morning hours sometime between 5 and 6.

00:40:37:14 - 00:40:48:11
Speaker 1
I saw Amy and this guy that worked on the boat together in this glass elevator that I could see to my right.

00:40:48:13 - 00:41:19:05
Speaker 1
The glass elevator went up to the nightclub even though it was closed. It was a very well lit elevator. I could. I could tell right away who it was. It was the bass player and Amy. Amy looked like she was staring at something. I watched them until they rode completely to the top. And they exited the elevator. Ten, 15 minutes after I saw them.

00:41:19:07 - 00:41:49:02
Speaker 1
He was coming from the front of the boat, so to my left he walked down the top deck. Never says a word, just kind of a brisk walk past us alone. I thought it was very strange because in the nightclub he had tried to, you know, get us to talk to him. We're alone on this top deck. You know, he just walks right by us, doesn't even look at us.

00:41:49:04 - 00:41:58:20
Speaker 1
You know, I just kind of got a bad vibe. Now, immediately, I thought, well, where's Amy?

00:41:58:20 - 00:42:24:07
Dr. John
I think the the cautionary tale for our audience is that she made a dire mistake by following this guy. I think she was sold into human trafficking. I think that's where where the story goes. I think she's still alive. I have a couple of, interesting side notes in terms of that.

00:42:24:09 - 00:42:52:12
Dr. John
If you do the math, she's well into her 50s. At this point in, in my experience on the cases and human trafficking that I've dealt with, either these women are used up until they're not there, their beauty goes, their attractiveness goes, and they can't be used as escorts and prostitutes, etc.. So they're either killed or they're just, you know, discarded.

00:42:52:14 - 00:43:13:15
Dr. John
So why is she still in captivity? This question I have, and then also, both of you didn't bring up a little tidbit that was very interesting when she was in the bathroom, she was observed in the bathroom by that woman. She mentioned something about children.

00:43:17:09 - 00:43:34:12
Speaker 2
So I went in there and I wasn't in there maybe 3 or 4 minutes, and all of a sudden I heard people coming in. They were talking and I thought, men are in this restroom. There was a man over by the door talking.

00:43:34:12 - 00:43:54:17
Speaker 2
one thing that I always remember when the man said. You better be all set to go. And don't try to leave or do anything, because we're going to be outside waiting and watching all night. The woman, she goes, can we stop and see the children? Said, yeah, we could stop and see the children.

00:43:54:19 - 00:43:59:20
Speaker 2
And they said, are you going to cooperate, not try to leave? And she said, yes.

00:43:59:20 - 00:44:19:00
Speaker 2
And then all of a sudden, the men laughed and I opened the door. And there's this young woman standing by the sex. She had real long, dark hair, and it was kind of wild and crazy. I had a skirt on a straight skirt and a sleeveless top.

00:44:19:02 - 00:44:53:03
Speaker 2
She had this awful look on her face, kind of crying. I walked over to the sink to wash my hands and I said, hi. Are you on vacation here? And she just shook her head. No. Do you live here? She shook her head. No. I wouldn't talk. And then I says, well, what's your name? She said, Amy, I could tell she had a Southern American accent.

00:44:53:05 - 00:45:24:20
Speaker 2
So I said to her, where are you from? She was talking so low, I thought she said, West Virginia. I went, oh, I was out. I was cheering her up. I'm from near where you're from. And I have a daughter named Amy, and she's just about your age. And when I said that. She starts walking towards me, getting up my face, and she backs me into a wall and I just froze.

00:45:24:22 - 00:45:46:09
Speaker 2
So I'm talking fast and I'm going, oh, so nice meeting you. I hope you have a good time. Whatever you're doing. And she watches me. She never moves. Just like she's frozen. Her back is to the door. So I open the door. And here's this man standing in the door blocking my exit. So I play dumb tourist. I go, excuse me.

00:45:46:15 - 00:45:52:22
Speaker 2
I'm sorry, I gotta get out. Excuse me like that. And I just kept inching.

00:45:52:24 - 00:46:04:24
Speaker 2
Her back was to the door the whole time. I'm leaving. And I get up to my husband and he says, gosh, you were in there a long time. And I'm telling him there's something

00:46:23:07 - 00:46:33:14
Dr. John
Her her captors mentioned something about, you'll get to see the kids. And she became happy.

00:46:33:14 - 00:46:52:02
Dr. John
But I think that. Okay, there's no question in my mind, here's the here's what goes along with my theory of human trafficking. These people do not use birth control. These people do not, protect these women. And the women can't have the the resources to protect themselves.

00:46:52:04 - 00:47:01:22
Dr. John
I think she got probably pregnant a couple of times. And that's another hook, keeping her in this whole culture of human trafficking.

00:47:01:24 - 00:47:38:18
Stacy/Dori
What about though, the fact that she is was gay and you're in in your theory is that she wanted to go like, you know, check this out with, you know, yellow shirt and she. Yeah. Alyssa, like, what do you think about the fact? Because that would be horrendous. That's just another layer. Layer. I guess if this is your theory and she's put into this trafficking that she does not find men sexually attractive, that she was gay.

00:47:38:20 - 00:48:04:11
Dr. John
Doesn't matter to the human traffickers. They force them into the situations that they're in. Think about the conversation in the bathroom that was overheard. And again, for our audience, the words were, you better do this tonight. You better be ready. Don't you run away and we'll pick you up afterwards. These women are forced to do what they do.

00:48:04:11 - 00:48:16:15
Dr. John
I mean, come on, even a heterosexual woman. Why would you want to, you know, be having sex with some, you know, pot bellied, bald, ugly.

00:48:16:17 - 00:48:21:02
Stacy/Dori
That was my last boyfriend.

00:48:21:04 - 00:48:21:17
Dr. John
No comment.

00:48:21:19 - 00:48:41:12
Stacy/Dori
No, wait a John. John. What? How long? What is. Do you know how long women stay in the trafficking? I mean, do they stay? I mean, could she get away now if she's in her 50s? Or, like, do they keep people on for 25 years?

00:48:41:14 - 00:49:09:04
Dr. John
Well, typically not, that's my point. There's. But there's some other books going on here. Did she have a couple of children with maybe one of the main characters that are involved? And so they're domesticating together, you know, and and having a little life together. And so she's hooked in that way, meaning that he, the, the father of these children is demanding that she stay.

00:49:09:04 - 00:49:20:19
Dr. John
Even those, in terms of, a sexual slave, she's no good anymore. You know, they discard these women, their their longevity in this,

00:49:20:19 - 00:49:27:00
Dr. John
captivity that they have. Yeah. Is about as much as, professional athlete, you know, it's right.

00:49:27:01 - 00:49:29:09
Stacy/Dori
That's what I mean. It's like you only get your money.

00:49:29:09 - 00:49:31:19
Dr. John
Or you can't, for some reason.

00:49:31:21 - 00:49:32:22
Stacy/Dori
Can't dance anymore.

00:49:32:24 - 00:49:38:00
Dr. John
Boom. Yeah. You're done. They discard them and they often kill them, by the way.

00:49:38:00 - 00:49:43:09
Unknown
Oh. They.

00:49:43:09 - 00:50:06:02
Stacy/Dori
what about the fact that. And I'm going through your theory, John, of all of this, because it's interesting to me. So she she went back to the hotel room right. And her father sees her at like 530 in the morning, something like that. And then here is some crazy noise, right? And then she's never seen again.

00:50:06:04 - 00:50:28:12
Stacy/Dori
I know that they had the witnesses on the cruise ship that saw her in yellow walking to the elevator. But if that's your theory, like, she wanted to go and experience and maybe she was tipsy or intoxicated and, you know, he says, like, yeah, I'll take you. You know, I have some friends. Let's go party more or whatever.

00:50:28:14 - 00:50:52:18
Stacy/Dori
So you think she would go back to the room, have a smoke, sit outside, have a smoke, and then, like herself, choose to go and see yellow, and then they maybe leave the ship together. What are you. What's this about? That was it? Yeah, it was docked. It was docked. Right. Interesting. Okay.

00:50:52:20 - 00:50:54:00
Dr. John
It was. It was not.

00:50:54:00 - 00:50:58:13
Stacy/Dori
Done or wasn't in the water. Was. It was anchor.

00:50:58:15 - 00:51:22:11
Dr. John
Tenders to get to shore, which is I. Oh I want to say and and and to what you're saying, it is a very important point. That's one of the questions I had because the tenders weren't running yet. This is in the middle of the night. The tenders weren't going to run until the the morning. My question is, how did they get her off the boat?

00:51:22:13 - 00:51:23:24
Stacy/Dori
That's what I don't understand.

00:51:24:04 - 00:51:57:02
Dr. John
Now. They could have had a little, you know, speedboat, speedboat, come up to the side and take her off or something like that. But. And here's where the Royal Caribbean Cruise line could be a little at risk here. I've been on a couple of cruises. I know both of you, I think, have been on, cruises. I heard that they have, you know, they're watching the sides of the ship for stupid stuff like this happening, boats coming close to the ship, somebody's falling, etc..

00:51:57:04 - 00:51:57:14
Stacy/Dori
Right.

00:51:57:19 - 00:52:21:17
Dr. John
So there's where maybe there would be. I don't I don't want to create a lawsuit here for anybody. But, you know, why weren't they watching the sides and what's going on of the whole ship? Again, my recollection is that they are doing that, but maybe that's a 2025 thing. And they didn't do it in 1999, 1998, 98. Yeah.

00:52:21:19 - 00:52:46:07
Stacy/Dori
I have not been on a cruise before, but I was a singing waitress on the Spirit of Chicago, the day cruises and evening cruises, like three hour cruises. So while I sit there myself, some sort of an expert on, cruises. So if you have any other questions just about cruise protocol on the local Chicago level, please let me know.

00:52:46:09 - 00:52:52:21
Dr. John
You're qualified. Right. You get our blessing. We you have been accepted as an expert. I'm cruising.

00:52:52:23 - 00:53:13:19
Stacy/Dori
You know, I should say that I went on a cruise last year. And I know Doctor John has been on a couple cruises in the past couple of years, and I went back. In my mind, I thought, how easy would it be to get over that? Over it? And you really would have to be standing on something, and you know what I mean?

00:53:13:19 - 00:53:26:10
Stacy/Dori
It's not like a an easy situation. You mean to jump over? You mean to jump over like, I don't know. You know, you'd have to really get on something and and get over and get over the thing. And

00:53:26:10 - 00:53:30:06
Dr. John
I was going to interrupt as a doctor and say, yeah,

00:53:30:06 - 00:53:48:04
Dr. John
the height in which you would jump even from lower, cabin cabin suites, whatever your level ship, you would you would die. You're hitting water at a great speed. It's it's quite proven.

00:53:48:04 - 00:53:49:10
Stacy/Dori
That, you know, and they didn't.

00:53:49:10 - 00:53:51:00
Stacy/Dori
Well, what's your body? How did they not.

00:53:51:03 - 00:54:15:20
Dr. John
Let's talk about sort of 3 or 4 seconds on that because I thought that was very admirable of the local Curacao, police and Coast Guard, they're saying, you know, they had they had graphs and this documentary showed that if, if in fact, she fell or jumped off the ship, they had a rectangular section saying, this is where her body would go.

00:54:15:22 - 00:54:45:08
Dr. John
And because of the, calculations of the waves at that point, which they, you know, keep track of, of course, she would wash up at this particular, point. And that's where, as you both were talking about the sharks, etc.. Now, creepy. It was the guy said, yeah, the shark doesn't eat the whole human body. So, you know, that we'd find some leg or, you know, head or something in some clothes, but it would have washed up in that particular section.

00:54:45:08 - 00:54:50:14
Dr. John
They have this calculated out, which was amazing, and nothing was found.

00:54:53:21 - 00:54:58:16
Speaker 1
When we didn't find her on the ship, local authorities to Curacao were called immediately.

00:54:58:18 - 00:55:14:24
Speaker 3
It was the chief of the police. And when something like that happens automatically, it comes in my lab. They thought she had fallen overboard. Our work does have a very strong current. So something should wash ashore.

00:55:15:01 - 00:55:20:21
Speaker 4
I remember the search. I could see the boats and the helicopters. I would look looking.

00:55:20:23 - 00:55:27:00
Speaker 5
It was the biggest search to be ever had.

00:55:27:02 - 00:55:53:04
Speaker 5
A search? It was between two or so in Aruba. The Marines, the Venezuelan Coast Guard, the Navy. Everybody was looking in that area because of the position of the boat. Wind force, sea current, wave height. The bottom 2/10 washed up, but she was nowhere to be found. Not even piece of clothing. Not.

00:55:53:06 - 00:56:05:13
Speaker 3
It was very unusual. Very, very unusual. It was born here. I know about the water we searched. I'm telling you, if she came off the ship or fell off the ship.

00:56:05:15 - 00:56:18:10
Speaker 3
We would get the body. She would have washed ashore. Our waters have sharks, but the shark will not eat her completely. Something. Maybe a leg or an arm.

00:56:22:19 - 00:56:24:01
Stacy/Dori
That's that, that's that.

00:56:24:01 - 00:56:32:14
Dr. John
The, the debug, the whole jumping off the ship or falling off the ship theory and more. The human trafficking.

00:56:32:16 - 00:56:42:05
Stacy/Dori
Theory. Yeah. I mean, now I'm, you know, I'm so easily swayed. Like I don't have any, like, real opinions because, like, be like, this is what I think. And then a minute later, I'm like, I think this.

00:56:42:07 - 00:56:43:16
Dr. John
Well, you don't have any idea.

00:56:43:18 - 00:56:44:09
Stacy/Dori
What are you doing.

00:56:44:09 - 00:56:45:21
Dr. John
On this show? What are you doing on.

00:56:45:21 - 00:56:57:05
Stacy/Dori
This uncertain topic? This is the hardest mystery, but this is what I'm going to say, which is an addendum to what I was saying before, which was not sure I'm going to go on another cruise after watching poop

00:56:57:05 - 00:57:00:02
Stacy/Dori
the poop cruise.

00:57:00:02 - 00:57:00:23
Stacy/Dori
Poop cruise?

00:57:00:23 - 00:57:05:17
Unknown
Oh. They.

00:57:05:17 - 00:57:19:20
Dr. John
another thing about this whole she's still alive theory, I don't think it's more than theory. Again, if I was called in as the expert on this case, I will say she's still alive. And I got some suggestions of how to find her, by the way.

00:57:19:21 - 00:57:22:15
Stacy/Dori
Oh, yes, this is juicy.

00:57:22:17 - 00:57:57:03
Dr. John
But before, as you were talking, don't forget they also interviewed this ex-Navy person who went to a bar that he was wasn't supposed to go to. It was an off limits bar. And, I don't know if they wrote down what where that was. I think again, in Barbados. And he encountered Amy. She told him her name. I'm Amy Bradley, and I'm being held against my will.

00:57:57:05 - 00:58:14:24
Dr. John
And he said I didn't report it right away because I was in the Navy. I was two years from retiring. I would have gotten reprimanded for being in an off limits bar, a lower rank, which means a lower pension. So I didn't say anything at the time,

00:58:16:12 - 00:58:25:19
Speaker 2
And so I went in there and four people come down the stairs. Two guys, two girls, and I see the two guys got guns.

00:58:25:21 - 00:58:52:18
Speaker 2
And I sat down with the two girls, and the guys went over to the bar. It was a white girl and a Spanish girl. White girl was, petite, dark hair, some tattoos on her. And then one of the girls got up, went over to the bar. Should have just turned around right then and left, because that's when the other girl, she said, hey, they're holding me against my will.

00:58:52:20 - 00:59:20:09
Speaker 2
I need a she says I owe them $200, and I can't. I can't get my freedom. This is my 18th year in the Navy. I've heard all kinds of stories from working girls Singapore, Thailand. I've heard it before, you know, and that's when she said with a southern accent. My name is Amy Bradley. Cheap. And I said, Bradley.

00:59:20:11 - 00:59:39:17
Speaker 2
Not too southern, but southern accent. And then she told me if she got off that ship and she left on her own because she was going to score drugs, she said, oh, me and my brother a party. And I went to shore to go get drugs. And now I'm stuck here with these guys.

00:59:43:05 - 01:00:08:02
Dr. John
there's some more convincing evidence than she's alive and she's being held captive now. I think her days she's come and gone to be used as a, a sex, worker. But there's something that she's being forced to stay there. I think it's because she's had kids with one of the kingpins of this whole group

01:00:08:02 - 01:00:18:19
Stacy/Dori
Yeah, I know, I want to hear these theories. Yeah. Like what? What are all your your your your theory? John, you mentioned that you have these theories. Yeah. And also maybe you can use.

01:00:18:21 - 01:00:19:11
Dr. John
The.

01:00:19:13 - 01:00:22:00
Stacy/Dori
You can help find it. Yeah. Which is how here's.

01:00:22:00 - 01:00:44:02
Dr. John
What kills me if, if this family would have called me into the case, it would have said, forget the FBI. The FBI doesn't have any jurisdiction here. I mean, find they have some resources. And, but if you notice in the whole documentary and these were wonderful people, I work with these people, not these specific ones in the, in the documentary, but they're good people.

01:00:44:04 - 01:01:11:13
Dr. John
And I'm not saying anything against the, the agents that were in the documentary, but they were really helpless. I mean, they were covered at so many things. Why didn't the family get an excellent private detective and the money that they've out laid to try to find her, put it into, you know, a top notch private detectives. These people exist.

01:01:11:13 - 01:01:41:02
Dr. John
They're not just in movies. And this person would find her and the other agency that's out there. And again, this is real. This is not just movies or novels. There's an agency called Interpol, which is an international, FBI type, law enforcement agency for which has jurisdiction throughout the whole world. Why weren't they brought in?

01:01:41:04 - 01:01:43:09
Stacy/Dori
And what's going on? Is there a cover up?

01:01:43:11 - 01:02:13:03
Dr. John
Yeah. And and why aren't an agency like that doing more against this human trafficking? It's a huge thing. It's a very sickening, huge crime that's happening in the world. And I don't see anything really being done at these levels to help these women that are are being kidnaped and forced into this sexual slavery. It's sickening. It's sickening.

01:02:13:05 - 01:02:15:14
Stacy/Dori
Where do you think she is?

01:02:15:16 - 01:02:48:03
Dr. John
I think she is. And you know, again, and I might have my islands wrong, but I think, Barbados, by the way, don't forget that those computer guys were tracking the IPS there hit on their website. They created. Amy Bradley is missing.com. Well, give me. And they track the IPS. And the biggest hits, especially on holidays were coming from the triangle.

01:02:48:03 - 01:02:59:20
Dr. John
Those triangle islands Barbados, Curacao and I think Aruba might be the other one. And their theory is that's Amy checking in on her family.

01:02:59:20 - 01:03:08:24
Stacy/Dori
it is tough because it is all on the, the in these different countries and these different islands that.

01:03:09:01 - 01:03:16:20
Stacy/Dori
You're right, John. Like obviously and maybe they did get a private detective but it was just never mention because I.

01:03:16:21 - 01:03:19:11
Dr. John
Yeah but I was in the documentary.

01:03:19:11 - 01:03:28:00
Stacy/Dori
That would be why wouldn't they after all these years. It's it's kind of like why wouldn't they, you know, do whatever they can anyway.

01:03:28:00 - 01:03:34:03
Dr. John
It's it's not cheap. It's not cheap, you know, I put it that way. And but it is it's sad.

01:03:34:03 - 01:03:44:22
Stacy/Dori
That the parents are in their 70s and they keep like holding out hope that, I don't think she's ever coming. I mean, I don't think they'll ever find her.

01:03:44:22 - 01:04:03:21
Dr. John
And maybe this is wishful thinking, but I got gotta. I don't know, I just think she might be allowed to see her parents one last time. Possibly, you know, by this guy who's holding her captive. Sometimes that happens, but that could be. That could be very wish.

01:04:03:22 - 01:04:28:09
Stacy/Dori
Or she could be dead now, too. Like, you don't know, like she could possibly hurt, you know, or she could have died. That I mean, it really is. Listen, everybody who's listening right now, if this is like a tragic but incredible story and like John said, I thought a very good documentary just because there's so many twists and turns to it.

01:04:28:10 - 01:04:31:14
Stacy/Dori
Yeah. And there's ways to justify all these different theories.

01:04:32:06 - 01:04:33:02
Stacy/Dori
So before.

01:04:33:02 - 01:04:52:14
Dr. John
We wrap up, yeah, I think, you know, you both are better at this usually on our episodes than I am. But I like to honor some heroes in this story. I'm kind of surprised. Specialists usually say, you know, I really think this person is a superhero.

01:04:52:16 - 01:04:56:15
Stacy/Dori
Oh, I usually do. Okay, I'm sure I'll agree with you.

01:04:56:17 - 01:05:24:21
Dr. John
I think. I think the brother, like you said, brother. Brother is, a hero here. That, you know, very poignant audience at a certain point in the documentary goes, I am so afraid of having kids to see what my parents went through by losing a child. So he is blocked from having children? His relationship broke up.

01:05:24:21 - 01:05:52:24
Dr. John
He was, had a girlfriend. That was part of the whole Amy, bread group. And they broke up afterwards because he was so torn by this. I think the parents are heroes. The parents are, incredible heroes for keeping in the search. And, and and I didn't pick up as a psychologist. They didn't pick up any kind of weirdness about that.

01:05:52:24 - 01:06:28:22
Dr. John
You know, about them. Not right. Not moving on because there's so much evidence that she could still be alive. I think this David Carmichael, the person who saw her on the the beach, and it turns out he's a computer whiz and so he paired up with the person who started the, Amy Bradley is missing icon. And both of them are heroes because they're keeping up the the search for for her and even that Navy guy, I think, for speaking up and kind of a primitive guy.

01:06:28:24 - 01:06:43:08
Dr. John
Fun. He, you know, he said, I saw her. And here's what she said. And the woman that overheard the conversation in the bathroom, you know, and reported it, you know, that, you know, these are some of the heroes in the story here.

01:06:43:11 - 01:07:00:20
Stacy/Dori
Alistair's daughter. I mean, she's a hero to, you know, to even speak up and even, like, be in the documentary and kind of go against her father because she has so many questions as well.

01:07:00:20 - 01:07:05:18
Unknown
Oh. They.

01:07:05:18 - 01:07:12:12
Stacy/Dori
So I just want to say I just was skimming, you know, the Wikipedia just to get just to make sure that I had some facts here.

01:07:12:12 - 01:07:46:00
Stacy/Dori
But, this struck out initially. The authorities suspected that Bradley had either fallen overboard or died by suicide. However, investigators said that there is no evidence that Amy, a trained lifeguard, fell overboard, was pushed or committed suicide. There's no evidence, you know? And the other thing that was weird is Alistar yellow, went up to Brad Bradley, her brother, and said something to the effect of, I'm sorry.

01:07:46:04 - 01:08:09:24
Stacy/Dori
Hey, man, I'm sorry to hear about your sister, but no announcement had been made by that time. And Brad said the timing of the conversation was suspicious. So I just thought that was, I just thought it was a little weird. He was spending time in there, so I kind of. I'm kind of back on the alistar thing, but only just because of a feeling, not because of any fact, you know?

01:08:10:01 - 01:08:18:20
Stacy/Dori
I mean, I could be swayed. I can be swayed, I can wait. I mean, yeah, that's how I feel. I'll be swayed in another way. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's how I feel about this. Yes.

01:08:18:20 - 01:08:48:17
Dr. John
I want to circle back to his statements that sounded so convincing, especially when he was talking to his daughter. I had nothing to do. Well, if he was simply, again, goes with my analysis of analysis of the data, if he was simply the guy who who handed over these women, therefore the pictures, etc., I think a guy like that could convincingly say, I don't have anything to do with her being kidnaped or, you know, being a sexual slave.

01:08:48:19 - 01:09:09:23
Dr. John
You know, no, nobody asked them. Did you give the information or a picture to, you know, the bad guys to do this? Nobody asked. And so he doesn't answer that. So in this conscious zone, crazy conscience I haven't doesn't own nothing to do with it. I had nothing to do with it. But your buddies did. The people that you sold the information to.

01:09:10:03 - 01:09:15:08
Dr. John
I think he sold Amy to the bad guys.

01:09:15:08 - 01:09:20:10
Unknown
Oh. They.

01:09:20:10 - 01:09:39:09
Stacy/Dori
More than 25 years later, Amy Bradley's disappearance is still an open case. Her family continues to seek answers, and the FBI still lists her as missing. If you have any information, you can contact the FBI or the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

01:09:39:11 - 01:09:47:22
Stacy/Dori
Thank you for listening. As we explore the disappearance of Amy Bradley. Amy Bradley is missing on Netflix,

01:09:47:22 - 01:10:06:02
Stacey/Dori
Stay tuned next week where we explore and dive into unknown number high School Catfish on Netflix, where you're going to hear about an amazingly crazy case and hear all of our opinions on that.

01:10:06:07 - 01:10:07:05
Stacey/Dori
Can't wait.

01:10:07:21 - 01:10:26:13
Stacey/Dori
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01:10:26:19 - 01:10:28:02
Stacey/Dori
Thanks so much.

01:10:28:07 - 01:10:31:07
Speaker 1
Candy.

01:10:31:08 - 01:10:45:15
Unknown
I.

01:10:45:17 - 01:10:54:06
Unknown
Really?