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Many women first learn that they have dense breast tissue after receiving a mammogram report. But what does breast density actually mean, and could it change the type of screening a woman should discuss with her healthcare provider?
In this episode of hol+ with Dr. Taz MD, ultrasound sonographer and SonoBreasts founder Jasmine Khorsandi discusses dense breasts, automated whole-breast ultrasound, early detection, and the gaps she believes exist in conventional breast screening.
Many women first learn that they have dense breast tissue after receiving a mammogram report. But what does breast density actually mean, and could it change the type of screening a woman should discuss with her healthcare provider?
In this episode of hol+ with Dr. Taz MD, ultrasound sonographer and SonoBreasts founder Jasmine Khorsandi discusses dense breasts, automated whole-breast ultrasound, early detection, and the gaps she believes exist in conventional breast screening.
Jasmine explains how SonoCiné automated whole-breast ultrasound captures thousands of images that are compiled into a moving view for review. She compares the experience with handheld ultrasound and mammography and explains why she advocates greater awareness of supplemental imaging, particularly for women with dense breast tissue.
Dr. Taz shares her own experience of finding a lump and moving through a mammogram, ultrasound, MRI, and biopsy over six months before learning that the finding was benign. She and Jasmine discuss the anxiety, confusion, and logistical challenges women can encounter while navigating breast imaging.
Jasmine also shares stories from her practice, including a young woman whose persistent breast pain led her to seek additional evaluation. She explains why women should learn what is normal for their breasts, pay attention to physical changes, understand their personal risk factors, and ask more informed questions about screening.
The conversation expands beyond imaging to explore stress, burnout, emotional health, feminine energy, intuition, and community. Jasmine describes the physical burnout that forced her to change how she operated her business, accept help, and make more room for rest, spiritual practices, and connection.
In this episode:
- What dense breast tissue means
- Why breast density can affect mammogram sensitivity
- How women can learn their breast-density category
- The difference between mammography and breast ultrasound
- Handheld versus automated whole-breast ultrasound
- How SonoCiné breast imaging works
- When supplemental breast imaging may be considered
- Dr. Taz’s experience with mammography, MRI, and biopsy
- Why persistent breast pain or physical changes deserve attention
- Jasmine’s observations from working with younger women
- How to advocate for yourself during the screening process
- What to look for during breast self-awareness checks
- How to choose healthcare practitioners you trust
- The possible connections between stress and physical health
- Why women become disconnected from their bodies
- Jasmine’s experience with severe burnout
- Moving from perfectionism and fear toward delegation and support
- The importance of community, rest, and emotional expression
- How women can begin reconnecting with their intuition
About Jasmine Khorsandi:
Jasmine Khorsandi is an ultrasound sonographer and the founder of SonoBreasts, an ultrasound clinic in Los Angeles, California.
She has worked in women’s health and ultrasound imaging for more than a decade and specializes in SonoCiné automated whole-breast ultrasound. Her work focuses on breast-health education, access to radiation-free supplemental imaging, and creating a supportive, holistic experience for women navigating breast screening.
Jasmine also incorporates practices such as meditation, Reiki, sound healing, journaling, and community into her broader approach to women’s well-being.
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About Dr. Taz:
Dr. Tasneem Bhatia (Dr. Taz) is a triple board-certified integrative medicine physician, bestselling author, and founder of hol+, a multi-location integrative medicine practice.
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[00:00:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: I have never picked up this much cancer in my life in a younger woman.
[00:00:04] Dr. Taz: Are you [00:00:05] serious?
[00:00:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: I actually am picking it up more in younger women than in older women.
[00:00:08] Dr. Taz: Stop it.
[00:00:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. What's [00:00:10] happening? Your environment is a big proponent. Right.
[00:00:12] Dr. Taz: Huge.
[00:00:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's huge. So stress [00:00:15] causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system, so I think people are just [00:00:20] way more- Too stressed
[00:00:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: stressed. It's the rat race. It's all about work, work, work. Mm-hmm. [00:00:25] Go to the next meeting, go to the next... Being in that toxic masculine energy is not healthy.
[00:00:29] Dr. Taz: Do [00:00:30] you think that's a part of what's making women sick? Welcome to Whole Plus, the podcast that [00:00:35] embraces and tackles the holistic way, bringing it all together, science, research, innovations [00:00:40] in technology, and our collective human experience.
[00:00:42] Dr. Taz: This is where science and spirit come [00:00:45] together. I'm Dr. Taz, your host and a double board-certified medical doctor, an integrative health [00:00:50] expert, a nutritionist, and an acupuncturist. I'm also the founder and CEO of Whole [00:00:55] Plus, a digital and clinical platform where my team and I practice evidence-based [00:01:00] holistic medicine every single day.
[00:01:01] Dr. Taz: I know and I hear all the health and wellness noise that's [00:01:05] out there. I want this show to be the one to empower you with the knowledge you need to heal [00:01:10] not just your body, but your relationships, your communities, and our world. [00:01:15] Welcome to Whole Plus. If you've been watching and listening to the show, [00:01:20] you know that we have had very heated discussions around breast health, how to [00:01:25] screen for it, how to prevent and treat it.
[00:01:27] Dr. Taz: We've had experts on, and [00:01:30] our inboxes are flooded. You guys have lots of questions around this, and [00:01:35] I get it. I understand. It seems so confusing. Well, we're definitely not done [00:01:40] talking about this, and that's why we invited Jasmine Khorsandi onto the show. [00:01:45] Jasmine is an ultrasound sonographer and founder of SonoBreast in Santa Monica, [00:01:50] California.
[00:01:50] Dr. Taz: She takes a holistic approach to care and loves that she can provide women [00:01:55] with radiation-free breast ultrasounds using the advanced SonoScene. [00:02:00] In her free time, she takes care of her mind, body, and spirit through a holistic [00:02:05] approach using yoga and meditation. She enjoys traveling and trying new [00:02:10] restaurants, and she believes that God gives everyone a gift, and if you give it the energy every [00:02:15] day, it will manifest.
[00:02:16] Dr. Taz: Please join me in welcoming Jasmine to the show. [00:02:20] Jasmine, I am thrilled to have you here, but I've got to give you some [00:02:25] context. We have had a lot of very, robust is [00:02:30] probably a good word, discussions on this show about breast health and breast [00:02:35] screening, what to do, when to do it, how to do it. There's been a lot of back and [00:02:40] forth.
[00:02:40] Dr. Taz: I'll share some of the comments with you later. I'm so curious what you think. But before [00:02:45] we jump into all things breast and how to take care of our breast and what should we [00:02:50] be thinking about when it comes to our breast, tell us a little bit about how you got into the [00:02:55] world of breast health, into SonoScene.
[00:02:57] Dr. Taz: Give us a little bit of the backstory.
[00:02:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:03:00] Okay. So around 13 years ago, um, I got [00:03:05] hired by a holistic OBGYN straight out of school.
[00:03:08] Dr. Taz: Oh, wow. Okay.
[00:03:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. [00:03:10] So it was a great- first job to have, um, especially I was like a [00:03:15] sponge out of school. You know, you could have either gone the Western way or the holistic way.
[00:03:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: She was an [00:03:20] MD, but she practiced super holistically.
[00:03:22] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:03:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: And, um, she was [00:03:25] using the SonoCine in her office.
[00:03:27] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[00:03:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: So her team trained [00:03:30] me on how to use the SonoCine, and I was extremely [00:03:35] impressed because the technology is super thorough, and it was picking up [00:03:40] really, really small tumors the size of a sesame seed.
[00:03:42] Dr. Taz: And it's SonoCine, not SonoCine, [00:03:45] 'cause I hear a lot of people, and so- including myself- Yeah ... we say SonoCine.
[00:03:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: It is ... You
[00:03:49] Dr. Taz: could say [00:03:50] either. SonoCine, either way. Either way. You got it. All right. All right, so you're fresh out of ultrasound school- Right ... [00:03:55] right? You're now an ultrasonographer. Yeah. And you go straight into a [00:04:00] holistic-type situation there.
[00:04:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Right? Okay. It was, it was straight into that, and the doctor was [00:04:05] anti-mammograms. She was super holistic. She actually [00:04:10] really was against it, so this is a technology she used in her office, and [00:04:15] divinely, I was at the right place at the right time, and they trained [00:04:20] me.
[00:04:20] Dr. Taz: Amazing. And what, you know, coming out of ultrasound school, and [00:04:25] then, you know, probably you were trained to do breast ultrasounds, I'm guessing, and traditional [00:04:30] ultrasounds, right?
[00:04:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right.
[00:04:30] Dr. Taz: Just sort of like when we're coming out of med school, we're in sort of a very conventional [00:04:35] mindset. What were your first impressions of this new technology [00:04:40] compared to what you had already been trained in?
[00:04:43] Jasmine Khorsandi: So the regular [00:04:45] technology, there was a lot of gaps. So we would, you know, hold the transducer and just take a couple of pictures, [00:04:50] and it's kind of like texting and driving.
[00:04:52] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:04:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? Because we're the operator, we're [00:04:55] holding the probe, and we just intuitively take, you know, a couple pictures, one at [00:05:00] 12, one at 3, one at- Right ... 6 and 9, the axilla, and that's it. But when I, you know, [00:05:05] put my hands on this robust machine and it was recording 3,000 [00:05:10] images, and the 3,000 images were turning into a 3D movie, it [00:05:15] was the crème de la crème- Wow
[00:05:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: of breast imaging. It wasn't, I wasn't guessing myself [00:05:20] anymore. There wasn't questioning myself because it's, it's doing the ... The automation is, [00:05:25] like, AI. It's doing it for you.
[00:05:26] Dr. Taz: How long has this technology been available?
[00:05:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think it's [00:05:30] been around 15 to 20 years.
[00:05:33] Dr. Taz: But why have we not heard [00:05:35] about it before? Oh, I
[00:05:36] Dr. Taz: Wait, why ... Wait, why have we not heard about it before?
[00:05:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: So Dr. [00:05:40] Kelly is a genius. He's a breast radiologist.
[00:05:44] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[00:05:44] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:05:45] Him and his brother-in-law created this technology, like, in their garage, [00:05:50] and there w- he wasn't a businessman.
[00:05:52] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:05:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: So he wasn't able to, [00:05:55] like, spread it to the masses. He had his own clinic in Pasadena as the radiologist, [00:06:00] just one-on-one with his clients.
[00:06:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Okay. So he wasn't a businessman. Like most doctors, [00:06:05] they're focused on their patients- Right ... and they don't have that business gap or [00:06:10] time to-
[00:06:10] Dr. Taz: Time sometimes, yeah ...
[00:06:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: time. So he, yeah, he just loved his [00:06:15] patients, and he had a clinic in Pasadena, and he was super busy, and him and his [00:06:20] team trained me.
[00:06:21] Dr. Taz: To do the so-
[00:06:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: to- To do the sonoscintti.
[00:06:23] Dr. Taz: Interesting. So [00:06:25] how would you say ... So you've described a little bit ... Well, maybe just walk us through, like, what can you [00:06:30] expect when you get one of these scans? And we'll, let's compare it to a traditional mammogram. Let's [00:06:35] compare the two and, and tell me a little bit about how they're different.
[00:06:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: Great question.[00:06:40]
[00:06:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: So the traditional mammogram is super barbaric. You [00:06:45] lay down, or you're sitting, and, you know, you put your breast in between two [00:06:50] plates. You smash it, you compress it, and you radiate it.
[00:06:53] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:06:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: So [00:06:55] nothing about that seems natural in my opinion, especially if you have [00:07:00] something called dense breast tissue. 50% of mammograms are missed in [00:07:05] dense breast tissue.
[00:07:05] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:07:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: And that's because it's like if you have a little tumor inside of [00:07:10] your breast tissue, it's a snowball, and i- under the mammogram images it's already [00:07:15] white. So it's like looking for a snowball in the snow. 50%'s missed. You just [00:07:20] can't- Wow ... see it. If you have fatty breasts, which is women who are, have [00:07:25] larger breasts, it's easier to see- Hmm
[00:07:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: because the, the cancer will show up because the fatty tissue [00:07:30] looks black, and the cancer will show up as white.
[00:07:32] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:07:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: But women like me, who are, [00:07:35] you know, small to medium sized breasted- Right ... just we are [00:07:40] risking going to this appointment and just getting results, and we have no idea if something was [00:07:45] there.
[00:07:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: So you have to put the control in your [00:07:50] hands. Um, I highly recommend doing ultrasound for everyone, [00:07:55] dense-breasted women and fatty breast women, because there's no [00:08:00] radiation-
[00:08:00] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm ...
[00:08:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: and it can see through the tissue. It [00:08:05] penetrates deep enough that it can detect super, super small [00:08:10] tumors, God forbid if there is something.
[00:08:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: That way when you detect tumors small, you [00:08:15] don't have to do aggressive treatment. You don't wanna wait until- Right ... it's too late.
[00:08:19] Dr. Taz: [00:08:20] Right.
[00:08:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: So that's where ultrasound comes in. Early detection, [00:08:25] no radiation. It's super safe for your, your tissue. It, there's no [00:08:30] pain, there's no smashing, there's no contrast agents, and there's no guessing.
[00:08:34] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:08:34] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know, with the [00:08:35] mammogram, to be honest, one out of 10 women get called [00:08:40] back because of something that was questionable, and there's tons of biopsies [00:08:45] done. There's tons of aggressive treatments done. I went
[00:08:46] Dr. Taz: down that road right here.
[00:08:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:08:49] Dr. Taz: Yep.
[00:08:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: And [00:08:50] 99.9% of the time it's benign.
[00:08:52] Dr. Taz: Right. I remember that [00:08:55] journey.
[00:08:55] Dr. Taz: I mean, it was a couple years ago, and I found a lump, and went [00:09:00] in, and it was, uh, mammogram. Wait, now you need to go get [00:09:05] a ultrasound. Wait, now you need to go get an MRI. Wait, now we need to do a [00:09:10] biopsy. Wait, now we need to look at the other side too. I mean, it was like between my schedule and, and [00:09:15] all the, like, we need this and we need this, it was six months.
[00:09:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:09:19] Dr. Taz: At the end of that [00:09:20] six months it was benign. It was normal.
[00:09:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:09:23] Dr. Taz: So, you know, [00:09:25] personally, to be 100% honest, even I am like, "Is mammogram [00:09:30] really the right tool as the initial step?" You know? And then [00:09:35] when we, and this is just being completely transparent, when we go to order [00:09:40] ultrasound for our patients, you know, we're like, "Okay, you have dense breasts, and we need, do need to talk more about dense breasts."[00:09:45]
[00:09:45] Dr. Taz: But we go to order, you know, ultrasounds, uh, breast ultrasounds on our patients, the [00:09:50] radiologist and the imaging facilities, at least, you know, in some of the areas where [00:09:55] we have our clinics, are refusing to do that. They refuse to do an ultrasound unless you do [00:10:00] a mammogram first. So it leaves, you know, the patient, the woman [00:10:05] so confused, and like, "Okay, I, I have to do this mammogram, and I have to go [00:10:10] down this journey again and again?
[00:10:11] Dr. Taz: Especially when you're telling me that one in 10 women get called back."
[00:10:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:10:15] Mm-hmm.
[00:10:15] Dr. Taz: You know? To me, that just seems like such a problem. Why do you think we've set the [00:10:20] system up that way?
[00:10:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: So basically, they [00:10:25] want you in the system. If you think about it, they want you to go do the mammogram because the [00:10:30] mammogram makes money.
[00:10:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: Then they want you to go do the ultrasound because that makes money, and [00:10:35] it's, it's they want you in the system. In my opinion, the ultrasound [00:10:40] detects more cancers than the mammograms. That's a fact that it's detecting 50% [00:10:45] more c- more cancers. Maybe I, I, I question, I'm like, maybe they don't wanna find- [00:10:50]
[00:10:50] Dr. Taz: An early cancer
[00:10:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: an early cancer because the treatment of [00:10:55] chemotherapy and all that aggressive cancer makes money
[00:10:59] Dr. Taz: I [00:11:00] hate to believe that
[00:11:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: I know, but why, why is it so hard to get an [00:11:05] ultrasound? I don't understand.
[00:11:06] Dr. Taz: That's- It's, it is ridiculous. It is- They
[00:11:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: won't do it ...
[00:11:08] Dr. Taz: it's ridiculous.
[00:11:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:11:10] Women- It's
[00:11:10] Dr. Taz: beyond ridiculous. Yeah ...
[00:11:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: and that's where SonoBreast was created, a place where women do not [00:11:15] need a prescription.
[00:11:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: They do not need a doctor's order. They put their [00:11:20] health in their own hands. They call our clinic, they come, they get scheduled, and they get [00:11:25] results within 48 hours. That's it.
[00:11:26] Dr. Taz: That's incredible. I mean, I was trying to schedule mine- Right ... this [00:11:30] trip. I told you that, and I just couldn't get the timing to work out, but I'll be back, I promise.
[00:11:33] Dr. Taz: But, you know, I just [00:11:35] think we make things too hard for women to be advocates of their own health, and I think [00:11:40] in an area as sensitive as breast health, you know, I, I feel like it's super exciting that [00:11:45] there's new technology, old technology not ever used, you know, coming out into the [00:11:50] market so that we have more options.
[00:11:51] Dr. Taz: I think it's incredible. What's the difference, though, between [00:11:55] the SonoSeni, I hope I'm saying it right, and a traditional breast ultrasound? Is [00:12:00] there a difference between those two?
[00:12:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Tell us about that. So the traditional breast [00:12:05] ultrasound, once again, there's, there could be human error because a technician is like- 'Cause they're
[00:12:09] Dr. Taz: holding the
[00:12:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: probe
[00:12:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: holding the [00:12:10] probe. Okay And you, you're guessing and driving. It's like [00:12:15] texting and driving. Texting and
[00:12:15] Dr. Taz: driving.
[00:12:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. I
[00:12:16] Dr. Taz: love that analogy. No, no, it's texting
[00:12:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: and driving.
[00:12:18] Dr. Taz: I don't want you texting and driving on my [00:12:20] breasts. Please, stop. Right.
[00:12:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know, so, but anyhow. Exactly. So, you know, if, if, if a [00:12:25] patient has larger breasts, you know, you just wanna
[00:12:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: You, you really need to have a good [00:12:30] sonographer. If you have a sonographer that's not trained, something can be missed- Mm-hmm ... [00:12:35] because we are the operators.
[00:12:37] Dr. Taz: So it's like taking the human error and the human [00:12:40] component out of it a little bit.
[00:12:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: Correct.
[00:12:42] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[00:12:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: Correct. It's just, a- and it records [00:12:45] the 3,000 images, and it compiles it into a 3D movie.
[00:12:49] Dr. Taz: So [00:12:50] when you go in for one of these scans, are you laying forward, like face forward? Are [00:12:55] you face up?
[00:12:57] Jasmine Khorsandi: What- You're face up supine- Okay ... just like a regular ultrasound.
[00:12:58] Dr. Taz: Okay
[00:12:58] Jasmine Khorsandi: And then I'm just holding the [00:13:00] probe, and the probe is sweeping the 3,000 images.
[00:13:03] Dr. Taz: Okay. Gotcha.
[00:13:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:13:05] Yeah.
[00:13:05] Dr. Taz: Excellent. What kind of results have you seen?
[00:13:07] Dr. Taz: What have you found? What have you seen? 'Cause how long have you guys [00:13:10] been offering this technology now?
[00:13:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: So at my clinic, for six years.
[00:13:13] Dr. Taz: For six years.
[00:13:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:13:15]
[00:13:15] Dr. Taz: Tell us a little bit about the patient experience and what, what you found and what, you know, [00:13:20] some of your patients are saying.
[00:13:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah, so during the pandemic, I had a client, [00:13:25] she was 24 years old.
[00:13:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: She had a lot of breast pain, and [00:13:30] her OBGYN, I don't know why, referred her to get a mammogram. Mm-hmm. I mean, at 24 years old- [00:13:35] Mm-hmm ... why would you radiate a 24-year-old girl's breast tissue? I think that's too young. [00:13:40] I don't know why they're not going in straight for an ultrasound. And because if you do enough of [00:13:45] that radiation, in my mind, it will cause the cancer.
[00:13:48] Dr. Taz: And many experts agree [00:13:50] with you today, that mammograms are playing a role in [00:13:55] the incidence of breast cancer as well.
[00:13:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: I agree. Yeah. I mean, one out of three are getting breast cancer.
[00:13:59] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:13:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:00] If you start thinking about what causes it, radiation can be one of them.
[00:14:04] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:14:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:05] And, uh, she went in for her mammogram, and it was normal.
[00:14:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: She had a lot [00:14:10] of breast pain, pain, to the point she was waking up in the middle of the night to take Advil.
[00:14:14] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:14:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:14:15] And the doctor said, "It's fine. It's hormonal. It's, you know, it's you're in your ovulation [00:14:20] phase. It's, you know, it's normal."
[00:14:21] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:14:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: She saw, she found me on Instagram, [00:14:25] and I think I posted a post about breast pain and how it's really important to not [00:14:30] ignore pain.
[00:14:30] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:14:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: It could be something- Which I agree with ... more serious 100%, yeah. It's not [00:14:35] always hormonal. It's not always your moon cycle. And, uh, she came to my [00:14:40] office during the pandemic, and I found the cancer. It was literally two [00:14:45] millimeters. It was so s-
[00:14:47] Dr. Taz: Tiny ...
[00:14:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: tiny. And, [00:14:50] um, our radiologist came into the office.
[00:14:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: They did a biopsy, and [00:14:55] she literally says it's the best thing that has ever happened to her because now she's, [00:15:00] like, a health cancer coach.
[00:15:02] Dr. Taz: Oh, wow.
[00:15:03] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:15:03] Dr. Taz: So with that [00:15:05] tiny cancer, that's enough to experience pain?
[00:15:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Wow. [00:15:10] She was young. It was affecting her maybe more than other people. Everybody's [00:15:15] body has different- Right
[00:15:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: reactions.
[00:15:18] Dr. Taz: And she didn't need any, like, [00:15:20] chemotherapy- Nothing ... because it was so small.
[00:15:22] Jasmine Khorsandi: It was so small So lumpless. Yeah. She just had a [00:15:25] lumpectomy, and now she's working with one of the most famous cancer doctors. And she [00:15:30] says, "God gave this to me for a reason. It was my purpose to help [00:15:35] other women, guide them."
[00:15:36] Jasmine Khorsandi: So now she's always talking about ultrasound, and she's always talking [00:15:40] about how early detection can save your life. It
[00:15:41] Dr. Taz: really can, and I think, you know, one of the things that we have to [00:15:45] be aware of, we have this general recommendation of getting breast screening at age 40, [00:15:50] but the incidence of breast cancer is actually skewing younger and younger.
[00:15:54] Dr. Taz: We know that [00:15:55] women in their 20s and their 30s are also getting breast cancer, and it's a problem of the [00:16:00] modern age, but then you're telling them to wait till 40 to get a mammogram. So the [00:16:05] ability to go in and get something like the, like an ultrasound, I think is, is [00:16:10] incredible, you know? Are you seeing more, you know, young women [00:16:15] aware of kind of the increasing risk and coming in and asking for these scans?
[00:16:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: I have never [00:16:20] picked up this much cancer in my life in younger women.
[00:16:23] Dr. Taz: Are you serious?
[00:16:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: I actually am [00:16:25] picking it up more in younger women than in older women.
[00:16:27] Dr. Taz: Stop it. Yes. What's happening?
[00:16:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: Something [00:16:30] is happening. I personally think a lot of these women [00:16:35] have had IVF treatment. That's what they're telling me, and this [00:16:40] tumor started to grow after-
[00:16:42] Dr. Taz: The IVF
[00:16:42] Dr. Taz: the
[00:16:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: IVF treatment. So that's one thing [00:16:45] that I'm hearing from the clients that are coming- From the patients, right ... from my patients. Right. Yeah. Um, [00:16:50] and that's really common right now. A lot of women in their late 30s and 40s [00:16:55] after IVF. Um, another thing that's, you know, environment, you know, your environment is [00:17:00] a big proponent.
[00:17:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right,
[00:17:01] Dr. Taz: huge.
[00:17:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's huge. So stress, I, I'm sure you [00:17:05] know- Yes ... you know, causes inflammation in your body and suppresses your immune system. So I think people [00:17:10] are just way more- Too
[00:17:11] Dr. Taz: stressed ...
[00:17:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: stressed these days, especially the younger generation.
[00:17:14] Dr. Taz: Are [00:17:15] they coming and telling you that they're stressed- Yeah ... or reporting that?
[00:17:17] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[00:17:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. I mean, the ones that we [00:17:20] do find out that they do have the cancer, we kind of... You know, I'm a woman. Right. I care.
[00:17:24] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:17:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:17:25] It's like my sister. I
[00:17:26] Dr. Taz: know, right.
[00:17:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. Yeah. So I kind of hold space, and I always do, you know, ask [00:17:30] questions. You know, a lot of them are having trouble in their relationships. Mm.
[00:17:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: They're having trouble at [00:17:35] work. There's too much pressure on them. Um, they don't have time to exercise. They're [00:17:40] not eating correctly. So it's just a soup of inflammation, and your [00:17:45] body can't hold all of these stressors.
[00:17:48] Dr. Taz: Interesting. [00:17:50] Why do you think... So you don't think the older women, the women, like, in their [00:17:55] 40s and 50s, you're not seeing as, as much in them.
[00:17:58] Dr. Taz: Are they not coming [00:18:00] in? Or, or what do you think is happening there? What do you think the difference is between the younger [00:18:05] demographic and the more middle-aged or slightly older demographic?
[00:18:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: The, the, the older [00:18:10] demographic, they're coming in too, but I think the older demographic maybe just [00:18:15] they, they have more tools.
[00:18:16] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:18:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know?
[00:18:17] Dr. Taz: Yeah, totally. Yeah. We're more [00:18:20] aware.
[00:18:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're more aware. You're more grounded. You know, the, everyone [00:18:25] is just having a spiritual awakening right now. I think people are waking up to the no drinking [00:18:30] culture-
[00:18:30] Dr. Taz: Yes. Yeah ...
[00:18:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: which is huge right now. Um, taking care of your mental health [00:18:35] is number one in my book, because just being around women's [00:18:40] health for 13 years, the ones that kind of are in tune with their mental [00:18:45] health, they're thriving.
[00:18:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm.
[00:18:46] Dr. Taz: Do you think that's the biggest determinant you see?
[00:18:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm.
[00:18:49] Dr. Taz: [00:18:50] So fascinating to me, because, you know, you know I'm trained in Chinese and Ayurvedic medicine, and some of these older [00:18:55] systems of medicine, and I've shared this before, so definitely not trying to bore anybody. But [00:19:00] in Chinese medicine, the liver meridian runs through the breast, like, right [00:19:05] physically through the breast and down to other areas of the body.
[00:19:07] Dr. Taz: The liver meridian in the liver is [00:19:10] where you store anger and grief. Now, if you extrapolate that [00:19:15] to the hormones, right? I talk a lot about hormones, and we can get into that as well, [00:19:20] but the hormone associated with the liver is cortisol, which is the stress hormone. [00:19:25] So it's almost like no matter which angle you wanna take, if you take a Chinese medicine angle [00:19:30] and say, okay, trauma in your relationships, trauma in your life, [00:19:35] excessive stress that you don't have outlets to relieve, whether it's work or elsewhere, [00:19:40] and you're storing that, right?
[00:19:42] Dr. Taz: Physiologically, in a lab, I'm gonna see high [00:19:45] cortisol, but from a Chinese medicine perspective, they see liver meridian [00:19:50] imbalance. And over time, they believe, if that's not corrected, you're gonna [00:19:55] have an issue with your breast, 'cause it sits right there. So what you're observing [00:20:00] through scanning is very much what older systems of medicine talked [00:20:05] about thousands of years ago, that we lost in sort of this sort of technique of, [00:20:10] okay, just do mammograms at 40 and, and nothing else is important, right?
[00:20:13] Dr. Taz: Like, all these other [00:20:15] factors are not important. But to this day, you know, I still see patients, and to this day, if [00:20:20] a woman comes in and tells me that she's getting divorced or she's experienced a really [00:20:25] big loss or, you know, something major has happened in her life, I can almost [00:20:30] clock it, and 18 months later, oftentimes they're having an issue with their breast or [00:20:35] having, or get a diagnosis of breast cancer or something along those lines.
[00:20:38] Dr. Taz: So to your point, [00:20:40] like, the stress and the cortisol and trauma are, are [00:20:45] important ideas in this conversation. But I think I'm still really bothered by the younger women [00:20:50] coming in, and you're finding it more. I'm still really, like, just that boggles [00:20:55] my mind. What would you tell a young woman if she's watching us today?
[00:20:59] Dr. Taz: What would you tell my [00:21:00] 17-year-old?
[00:21:02] Jasmine Khorsandi: Definitely pay attention to how you're [00:21:05] feeling, and don't ignore it. If you're having a sad day, bring out your [00:21:10] journal. Release, you know, instead of suppressing, because most of us wanna [00:21:15] just hide it under the carpet, hide it under the carpet. "I'm strong enough. I got [00:21:20] this."
[00:21:20] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:21:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: Release those emotions. Like, as a 17-year-old, how do I feel [00:21:25] today? What makes me feel good? What makes me feel [00:21:30] uncomfortable? Another really important thing is, like, self-regulation, being able to [00:21:35] feel. Trust your intuition. If you're- Mm,
[00:21:37] Dr. Taz: that keeps coming up ...
[00:21:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: trust your [00:21:40] intuition. If you're having a sad day and you need to talk to somebody, fine.
[00:21:44] Jasmine Khorsandi: If it's [00:21:45] not your mom, ask for a therapist You need to have a [00:21:50] backbone so you don't feel lonely. Community is important- [00:21:55] Absolutely ... especially for a 17-year-old. You want her to feel safe. You want her to feel [00:22:00] nourished. You want her to feel seen and have a voice. And if, if a [00:22:05] 17-year-old doesn't feel safe and doesn't have a voice, then her throat chakra [00:22:10] is blocked.
[00:22:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm-hmm. You know? She's, she's in fight or flight. Her cortisol is increased. [00:22:15] Her hormones are all over the place. Her inflammation's high. So it's just [00:22:20] being in tune and having an outlet to release and have a [00:22:25] voice, I think I would tell your 17-year-old daughter.
[00:22:27] Dr. Taz: Would you have teenagers and [00:22:30] women in their 20s come in to do the scan?
[00:22:32] Jasmine Khorsandi: I do.
[00:22:33] Dr. Taz: Do they come through?
[00:22:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: They come through. [00:22:35] I mean, at 40 years old, to get screened at 40 is 20 years [00:22:40] behind in my book. I,
[00:22:40] Dr. Taz: I agree. I could not agree. It's almost like the bone scan thing too. It's not approved [00:22:45] till, like, 60
[00:22:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: or 65. I don't understand. It's
[00:22:47] Dr. Taz: like-
[00:22:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: And OBGYNs- What? ... are not having this [00:22:50] discussion with their patients.
[00:22:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: They say, "Wait until you're 40 to get a mammogram."
[00:22:53] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:22:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: But w- breast [00:22:55] cancer is so high, and statistically, it's one out of three women, so why not [00:23:00] get a scan that doesn't have radiation? We use the same technology to scan women [00:23:05] that are pregnant. Why is everyone so worried about the Pap smear wh- when you're 18, [00:23:10] and no one's- But not
[00:23:10] Dr. Taz: worried about the breast?
[00:23:11] Dr. Taz: But not worried about the breast. Good
[00:23:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: point. And cervical cancer- Good point ... is so low. [00:23:15]
[00:23:15] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:23:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: But breast cancer is so high.
[00:23:17] Dr. Taz: That's such a good point. We have to change that.
[00:23:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: We have [00:23:20] to change that, and- This is
[00:23:20] Dr. Taz: ridiculous ...
[00:23:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: it's ridiculous. Yeah. You know? Yeah. And it's like, have this [00:23:25] conversation with your patients, you know?
[00:23:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: Do you- And
[00:23:27] Dr. Taz: I would say for the moms listening, have this [00:23:30] conversation with your daughters.
[00:23:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Absolutely.
[00:23:31] Dr. Taz: And if you're a big sister like me, have this conversation with your, the [00:23:35] younger women in your family, you know? Yeah. I think, I think this is an easy tool [00:23:40] for us to, like, sink our teeth in, the only problem being, like, for many people, [00:23:45] 'cause we face this in our clinics, like, okay, I'm gonna go do it, and then the imaging [00:23:50] centers themselves are saying, "No, you can't do it until you have a mammogram."
[00:23:52] Dr. Taz: So now in the Atlanta area, we're down to one [00:23:55] or two imaging centers that are willing to do it without a mammogram, you know? Willing to do any ultrasound. We [00:24:00] don't have a SonoSini, but not, you know, willing to just do a basic breast ultrasound without a [00:24:05] mammogram. So then we're saying all this, but for, you know, the person out in the field, [00:24:10] so to speak, their options are so limited.
[00:24:12] Dr. Taz: Yeah. You know?
[00:24:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: So. That's, that's, that was my [00:24:15] fuel with SonoBreast. I had a really good friend. Her [00:24:20] mom's brother owns radiology centers all over LA. Mm-hmm. [00:24:25] She went to every single mammogram appointment every single year, and [00:24:30] she was very small-breasted, like A. Mm-hmm. No [00:24:35] one did an ultrasound on her, and her brother owns all these radiology centers.
[00:24:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right. They... [00:24:40] No, the radiologist should have recommended it. I think it's their responsibility when they're reading the [00:24:45] images, if you see dense breast tissue on the mammogram pictures- Get an ultrasound ... request an [00:24:50] ultrasound.
[00:24:50] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:24:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: They didn't. She had cancer, and it was missed for, like, five [00:24:55] years. And unfortunately, she passed away in her 40s.
[00:24:57] Dr. Taz: Oh my goodness.
[00:24:58] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes.
[00:24:59] Dr. Taz: Ah. [00:25:00]
[00:25:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: And it happens over and over again because by the time the mammogram will detect it, [00:25:05] it's already been there for 10 years. Cancer starts literally the size of a seed. By the [00:25:10] time you feel something in your breast, it's been there for 10 years.
[00:25:12] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:25:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: It starts off as a [00:25:15] couple of cells So once again, you can't trust [00:25:20] all your doctors.
[00:25:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? I always say when you choose your practitioners, choose it like you're, [00:25:25] you're dating somebody.
[00:25:26] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:25:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: The way we're all so picky with our love partners.
[00:25:29] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:25:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:25:30] Choose your doctor the same exact way. Do they ask about your health? Do [00:25:35] they ask about your breast health? Do they ask about your emotional health, your diet?
[00:25:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: These [00:25:40] are big factors of your health.
[00:25:42] Dr. Taz: Definitely. Let's revisit the dense [00:25:45] breast component of the conversation. Um, not to overshare, but I have- Hmm ... dense breasts, and [00:25:50] that's why I think I ended up down that journey. I think it's in our family. You know, we test and practice. I [00:25:55] know I have COMT, which is that gene that makes you hold onto estrogen and store [00:26:00] estrogen, so I talk a lot about estrogen dominance.
[00:26:02] Dr. Taz: It's a part- To, for me, dense breasts are a [00:26:05] part of this concept around estrogen dominance, meaning you're holding onto estrogen, you're storing [00:26:10] estrogen. You can get lumps and bumps and cysts and fibroids and all the different things. [00:26:15] If you d- If you know you have dense breasts... First of all, what are dense breasts?
[00:26:18] Dr. Taz: I know they're now [00:26:20] officially classified, which I think is good. They weren't even classified up until about a year or [00:26:25] two ago. But if you do have dense breasts, you know, what should we be looking for, thinking [00:26:30] about? How does that differentiate from somebody without it? Give us a little bit of your perspective [00:26:35] there.
[00:26:35] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I think, like, 80% of women have dense breast tissue.
[00:26:38] Dr. Taz: So the majority.
[00:26:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:26:40] Majority, yeah. Dense breast tissue, all that means is you have more breast tissue in [00:26:45] your breasts compared to fat.
[00:26:46] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:26:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's all it means. And actually, dense breast tissue, I feel [00:26:50] like, is a good thing, because our boobs are more perky.
[00:26:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. So if, so if you- So there we go. [00:26:55] Yeah. So. So if you have fatty breasts, they're usually larger, and they droop down, and there's more [00:27:00] fat. Mm-hmm. There's nothing wrong with having dense breast tissue. I have clients that are like, "T- what can I [00:27:05] do to get rid of my dense breast tissue?" I'm like, "All it is is breast tissue.
[00:27:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: God- Mm ... put it there for you to [00:27:10] have beautiful breasts."
[00:27:11] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:27:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? It's just more perky. And with dense breast tissue, [00:27:15] since we have more breast tissue compared to fat, you just have to do the right [00:27:20] screening modality once a year, or if you're BRCA positive, maybe two or three times a year. [00:27:25] That's all it means.
[00:27:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: It doesn't mean it's a, a disease. It doesn't mean that something bad is gonna [00:27:30] happen to you. They do say the risk for cancer is higher in dense breast tissue, but if you do the right [00:27:35] screening test, y- it won't be missed. You'll, you'll find it early enough.
[00:27:39] Dr. Taz: And there's stages [00:27:40] now of dense breasts, right? I think- Yeah
[00:27:41] Dr. Taz: they now grade it from an A to D, I believe. Right. I saw recently [00:27:45] the radiologists are supposed to comment on that. So if you don't know whether you have dense breasts or [00:27:50] not- Right ... you know, how can someone tell? Actually, that's a good question. How can someone tell if they have dense breasts?
[00:27:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: I [00:27:55] could just tell by looking someone, at someone.
[00:27:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: Really? Yeah, just like size A to, like, [00:28:00] mid-C- Okay ... I feel like is dense. Are dense. Okay. And the people who are extremely large, like my mom [00:28:05] is triple D, she's fatty.
[00:28:06] Dr. Taz: Okay.
[00:28:07] Jasmine Khorsandi: So for me- I, I look at, uh, [00:28:10] size
[00:28:10] Dr. Taz: You look at a size. So are those the two types, fatty or dense?
[00:28:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:28:14] Dr. Taz: Those are the main two [00:28:15] types.
[00:28:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:28:15] Dr. Taz: So dense breast, do ultrasounds.
[00:28:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: Do the ultrasounds. Another thing that's [00:28:20] really important is doing self-breast exams.
[00:28:23] Dr. Taz: So many women don't do those.
[00:28:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:28:25] Nobody does it. I know. I don't even do it.
[00:28:26] Dr. Taz: It was, like, gra- It was, like, ingrained in our brain, "Teach your patients to [00:28:30] do self-exams," and when I ask, everyone's like, "Well, I, I don't do that." They go straight to the imaging.
[00:28:34] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:28:35] I don't do it either.
[00:28:35] Dr. Taz: So we're supposed to do it. So what, what's the correct guideline? How often are we supposed to be doing these [00:28:40] self-exams?
[00:28:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: So post-menopausal woman, I would say do it the first of every [00:28:45] single month, anytime the first of the month, and then perimenopausal woman, [00:28:50] a couple days after your moon cycle so it's less lumpy.
[00:28:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I would [00:28:55] say go in front of a mirror, look at your breasts, make sure there's no skin dimpling, [00:29:00] make sure that there's no inverted nipple, no redness, and first get a [00:29:05] good look at how your boobs look. So if anything abnormal comes around your boobs, you'll know. You're more in [00:29:10] tune with our breasts.
[00:29:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: Women, we're just so disconnected from our bodies. Have you [00:29:15] noticed that in your
[00:29:16] Dr. Taz: practice? Oh, very much so. Very much, yeah.
[00:29:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: We just have no connection.
[00:29:19] Dr. Taz: Why do you think that [00:29:20] is?
[00:29:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean, because we're in the Western culture, [00:29:25] it's, it's the rat race. You know, it's all about work, work- Mm-hmm ... work. Go to the [00:29:30] next meeting, go to the next...
[00:29:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: Everyone is so in this rat race matrix. [00:29:35] No one is present really anymore or in tune with [00:29:40] themselves. You know? Once y- you gotta create a practice for that. And so people have just become [00:29:45] disconnected from their bodies 'cause they're always doing something outside of their body.
[00:29:48] Dr. Taz: That is such an issue for [00:29:50] so many women, and I think they really have trouble putting that into some sort of daily [00:29:55] ritual or- Yeah
[00:29:55] Dr. Taz: or even weekly ritual. What are some of the things you do to kinda get, [00:30:00] kinda get back in touch with your feminine- Yeah ... which also gets you back in touch with your intuition? 'Cause [00:30:05] intuition, I think, is a feminine superpower.
[00:30:07] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes.
[00:30:07] Dr. Taz: But so many women are cut off from it because they're [00:30:10] in the rat race, right?
[00:30:11] Dr. Taz: Yeah. Just curious what you do to kinda get back in touch with that.
[00:30:14] Jasmine Khorsandi: So [00:30:15] I really enjoy being slow and present. [00:30:20] That's what femininity is to me. Um, I wake up earlier in the morning. I'll light [00:30:25] a candle. I'll make my matcha. But I'm not, like, in a rush.
[00:30:28] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:30:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: Because when you're in a [00:30:30] rush, you immediately get into that toxic masculine energy.
[00:30:33] Dr. Taz: I'm a toxic masculine. [00:30:35] No.
[00:30:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: Don't worry. I, I've been-
[00:30:39] Dr. Taz: I'm kidding. I'm like, [00:30:40] rah.
[00:30:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: I've been in my toxic masculine my whole life, and then I went to [00:30:45] Bali, and I had a huge spiritual awakening in Bali. Oh
[00:30:48] Dr. Taz: my gosh. [00:30:50] Okay.
[00:30:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: Bali changed my life.
[00:30:51] Dr. Taz: What happened in Bali? I have to ask. You, you got me [00:30:55] there. I have to ask.
[00:30:55] Dr. Taz: What happened there?
[00:30:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: I went on, like, this goddess retreat for two weeks in Bali, [00:31:00] and we were just praying, meditating, doing kundalini, kundalini yoga. [00:31:05] Yoga,
[00:31:05] Dr. Taz: uh-huh.
[00:31:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: Breathwork. And we were getting, um, blessed [00:31:10] by Balinese priestesses.
[00:31:11] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:31:12] Jasmine Khorsandi: No phones, no [00:31:15] laptops, no work. We were doing the work, inner work.
[00:31:19] Dr. Taz: [00:31:20] Inner work.
[00:31:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: For two weeks. My voice changed. I [00:31:25] changed. I cried a lot. I released so many, like, suppressed [00:31:30] emotions. Because once again, as a, as a woman, as a business owner, owner in the [00:31:35] Matrix, in Los Angeles, it's like a lot of women become [00:31:40] masculine.
[00:31:40] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:31:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I, on that trip, especially the Land of the Goddesses, that's what Bali's [00:31:45] known for, I remembered who I was.
[00:31:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. I had [00:31:50] forgotten the goddess, the inner goddess in me. I forgot who she was. [00:31:55] And it was, it was really sad because I was disconnected to [00:32:00] myself. And so after that trip, I learned all the tools. I learned [00:32:05] to be present, to be slow, to love my body, to take [00:32:10] time for myself, because being in that toxic masculine energy is [00:32:15] not healthy.
[00:32:15] Dr. Taz: Do you think that's a part of what's making women sick?
[00:32:18] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes, I do.
[00:32:19] Dr. Taz: So then [00:32:20] how do we-
[00:32:20] Jasmine Khorsandi: And you attract the wrong partner.
[00:32:22] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:32:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: You attract the wrong partner. [00:32:25] You operate on a totally masculine energy, [00:32:30] which shifts your whole life.
[00:32:32] Dr. Taz: Hmm. How would you tell [00:32:35] women to realign? Especially, again, let's talk to the younger women 'cause they have the [00:32:40] opportunity to make some choices, right?
[00:32:43] Dr. Taz: Yeah. How, how would we [00:32:45] advise them to realign so they're balanced, right? They still can accomplish things, [00:32:50] but they're not living in that space.
[00:32:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say take [00:32:55] minimum 20 to 30 minutes a day. Wake up earlier. Wake up [00:33:00] 30 minutes earlier. Take a journal, whatever it is you like to do. I like [00:33:05] to write. I'm a writer.
[00:33:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: Me too. That's my
[00:33:07] Dr. Taz: Yeah, me too. Yeah. Love to write.
[00:33:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's [00:33:10] my free therapy.
[00:33:11] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:33:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: I bring out my journal. Make a drink that you like. Wear a [00:33:15] nice silk dress or something that feels good. It could be a big T-shirt. Whatever feels [00:33:20] good, and sit with yourself. Put your hand on your heart. Connect to your heart and ask yourself, [00:33:25] "How do I feel today?
[00:33:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: How does Jasmin feel today?" [00:33:30] Connect to your heart. Get out of your head. Connect to your heart. You know, your heart has, [00:33:35] like, 20,000 neurites. Yeah,
[00:33:36] Dr. Taz: yeah.
[00:33:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's smarter than our head. The science is [00:33:40] proving it. Mm. Sit with yourself and journal, you know? The, the [00:33:45] power of writing and connecting to yourself, and watch what comes up.
[00:33:49] Dr. Taz: And your heart [00:33:50] sits right by your breast.
[00:33:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: It do. It's the, the heart chakra- It's right there ... is right by the breast. So, yeah. Exactly. So it's [00:33:55] just 30 minutes to connect to, to, to yourself. Check in, you know?
[00:33:59] Dr. Taz: That's an [00:34:00] easy tool that anybody could do, for sure.
[00:34:01] Jasmine Khorsandi: It is life-changing when you check in. Right. [00:34:05]
[00:34:05] Dr. Taz: So, you know, we've established that the heart is the center, right?
[00:34:09] Dr. Taz: [00:34:10] It's the magnetic field. It's the in- intuitive center. It sits right by the breast. We're seeing breast [00:34:15] cancer rates go up across the board. We're seeing younger and younger women get breast cancer. [00:34:20] What happened to you that you were able to understand this, you [00:34:25] know, and connect the dots between, you know, living this, like, very driven, [00:34:30] very accomplished-oriented, you're a business owner, like, you know, you've gone to school, you know, going on [00:34:35] that path and living that life and driving and driving and driving, but coming to the [00:34:40] realization that this is a form of toxicity, right?
[00:34:44] Dr. Taz: Right. This [00:34:45] is, like, living in the masculine, which we as women are not really [00:34:50] supposed to do, and it might be making us sick. And this is really hard [00:34:55] for me to even say these words because I am that person that is always [00:35:00] going, going, going, going, going with so many downloads and so much going [00:35:05] on. But what happened to you to, like, have that light bulb moment?[00:35:10]
[00:35:11] Jasmine Khorsandi: Thank you for sharing. Two years ago, [00:35:15] after four years of starting my practice, I hit [00:35:20] a really scary burnout. It scared me, [00:35:25] and it's because I was in that toxic masculine [00:35:30] energy. You just keep going and going and going, and you don't know when to [00:35:35] stop. And as a Scorpio, um, you know, I'm super controlling in my [00:35:40] work.
[00:35:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: I want everything to be done perfect, so I am [00:35:45] hands-on, you know?
[00:35:46] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:35:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: I... it was, it was hard for me to delegate up until two years [00:35:50] ago, and, uh, I, I just, I crashed. It was, it was sad. [00:35:55] I called my therapist crying in bed. I said, like, "I literally feel like I'm gonna die."
[00:35:59] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:35:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: You [00:36:00] know, she's like, I couldn't move my arm because my job is so, um, [00:36:05] physical.
[00:36:05] Dr. Taz: Physical,
[00:36:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: right. I'm like, I, I... this is like, I don't know what I'm gonna do. Like, I need help. [00:36:10] And she's like, "If you don't get help, and if you don't start delegating, you're not even gonna [00:36:15] like what you're doing anymore."
[00:36:16] Dr. Taz: Yeah. "
[00:36:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're so passionate about what you're doing, but you need to get [00:36:20] help or, or else this is gonna go bad, Jasmin."[00:36:25]
[00:36:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: And at that point I had pain in my arms. I was getting, like, steroid [00:36:30] shots. Yeah. Like, it was like I knew it wasn't gonna work anymore. So you know what? I [00:36:35] sat with myself and I said, "Okay, Jasmin, it's time to get [00:36:40] help." And, and I hired more help. I hired more ultrasound technicians, [00:36:45] and that's getting out of the toxic masculine.
[00:36:48] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's getting out of lack.
[00:36:49] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:36:50]
[00:36:50] Jasmine Khorsandi: I- from lack I was scared to hire people.
[00:36:53] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:36:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? Like you might- Train other [00:36:55] girls.
[00:36:55] Dr. Taz: Right. Right.
[00:36:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: How about if they go copy me? Yeah. How about if... You know? Right. Mm-hmm. It's from lack.
[00:36:59] Dr. Taz: [00:37:00] Right.
[00:37:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I let go of that lack mindset. My therapist really helped me get out of that.
[00:37:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: She's [00:37:05] like, "You're gonna double your, your business when you get help."
[00:37:08] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:37:09] Jasmine Khorsandi: So then I [00:37:10] w- got out of lack mindset and came into this more feminine like, I'm gonna train my [00:37:15] sisters, and they're gonna hold space for me, and they're gonna help me. Maybe I'll be able to move my arms more.
[00:37:19] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:37:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:37:20] So I did that, and I, and I got helped.
[00:37:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: And slowly by slowly I [00:37:25] started to... I was able to breathe again.
[00:37:27] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh.
[00:37:28] Jasmine Khorsandi: And, you know, come up [00:37:30] for a breath of air, and I got help. And then after that I went on my- To [00:37:35] Bali ... to Bali on my goddess retreat. I literally... it says feminine on my [00:37:40] fingers in Balinese. Because when I went there, I mean, you, you take, you [00:37:45] strip away your phone and your laptop.
[00:37:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: And as a healer, I'm always helping [00:37:50] everybody else. When is there time for Jasmin? Mm-hmm. Every- e- everyone's health is in my hand, and you get it as a [00:37:55] healer. Mm.
[00:37:55] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:37:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: So for two weeks I did the [00:38:00] breathwork, the yoga, the Kundalini Yoga, the meditation, [00:38:05] journaling, going in all these water temples, and I just remembered who I was.[00:38:10]
[00:38:10] Dr. Taz: And all of that got you back in touch with your feminine?
[00:38:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes.
[00:38:14] Dr. Taz: You [00:38:15] know, for someone listening, like, what does feminine f- sounds so bad. What does [00:38:20] feminine feel like?
[00:38:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: Feels so good. It's- Feels light ...
[00:38:23] Dr. Taz: it's light.
[00:38:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: It feels [00:38:25] light and airy and just in flow.
[00:38:29] Dr. Taz: In the [00:38:30] flow.
[00:38:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:38:30] Dr. Taz: I think it's about flow- Yeah ... and alignment.
[00:38:32] Dr. Taz: So I joke about myself all the time. I am, [00:38:35] you know, incredibly driven, and I do a lot of different things, but the, I think the [00:38:40] difference is that I feel very aligned. I feel like I'm doing work that I'm [00:38:45] incredibly passionate about.
[00:38:46] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:38:46] Dr. Taz: And brings me a lot of joy and meaning. Now, I can be [00:38:50] better about taking time out.
[00:38:51] Dr. Taz: I wanna go to Bali and do- Yes ... and do the same, because I [00:38:55] do believe that, you know, we have been trained since childhood, maybe even in [00:39:00] utero, to be disconnected from our feminine. It's always been [00:39:05] suppressed or abused or put down. Yes. And [00:39:10] I think that we as women go on this journey of, of [00:39:15] trying to run from that feeling, but, and prove ourselves, I [00:39:20] guess.
[00:39:20] Dr. Taz: But at the same time, we lose so much in that process of trying to [00:39:25] prove that we can live in the masculine, you know. What... So there's so many [00:39:30] lessons in what you just said. We were talking about breasts, but we are... You know, a lot of what you [00:39:35] just said applies to being an entrepreneur, applies to being a mom, [00:39:40] applies to being a wife or a friend, right?
[00:39:43] Dr. Taz: You said something about [00:39:45] lack. Can, can you go back there just a second- Mm-hmm ... and explain what you meant by that, like you were [00:39:50] operating out of lack. What w- what does that mean?
[00:39:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: When I started my business- Mm-hmm ... [00:39:55] so sonography is it... This patient's life is in my [00:40:00] hand.
[00:40:00] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:40:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: So it's very... I'm the operator.
[00:40:02] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:40:03] Jasmine Khorsandi: So I was in lack because [00:40:05] I'm like, "I don't know if I'm gonna find other sonographers that are as good as me. Do they [00:40:10] care as much as I care?"
[00:40:11] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:40:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: That was the problem. Almost like
[00:40:14] Dr. Taz: a perfectionist [00:40:15] type-
[00:40:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah ...
[00:40:15] Dr. Taz: mentality too, right?
[00:40:16] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean- Yeah ... you know, it's like I don't sc- I don't go over the breast tissue once.
[00:40:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:40:20] I go over each breast tissue probably like 18 times.
[00:40:22] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:40:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: I mean, other techs [00:40:25] don't do that. I haven't seen it. They're just going to the next, the next, the next, the next, the next. I, [00:40:30] I block out almost an hour per client.
[00:40:32] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:40:32] Jasmine Khorsandi: I'm super thorough. I don't want anything missed. I [00:40:35] wanna sleep at night.
[00:40:35] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:40:36] Jasmine Khorsandi: And knock on wood, in 10 years I haven't had anything missed because I [00:40:40] care.
[00:40:40] Jasmine Khorsandi: That person is a mother, an aunt, a sister. I wanna make sure every [00:40:45] single inch of tissue is covered. Right So where I came from, lack was like, how about if [00:40:50] she misses something?
[00:40:50] Dr. Taz: Mm. Okay.
[00:40:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know?
[00:40:53] Dr. Taz: So not being able to [00:40:55] delegate because ...
[00:40:56] Jasmine Khorsandi: Something could be missed.
[00:40:57] Dr. Taz: Something could be missed. So how do you get over that?[00:41:00]
[00:41:01] Dr. Taz: As a business owner, as somebody who's responsible for [00:41:05] teams or for people, how do you get over that?
[00:41:06] Jasmine Khorsandi: There is goddesses all around us, and they [00:41:10] care as much as I care. Because once I got out of lack and, and [00:41:15] I went into abundance, all these girls came into my office, [00:41:20] and now they're all there and they care as much as me.
[00:41:23] Jasmine Khorsandi: Mm. And now when people call, they ask to [00:41:25] be seen by them, too.
[00:41:26] Dr. Taz: I love that. That happens to me, too. I'm like, "This is great. I love this." It's okay. I know, this is [00:41:30] awesome.
[00:41:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: So it's just our fears take control of [00:41:35] our future, but just ... You have to sit with that. And it's coming from also [00:41:40] my mom's mindset, too.
[00:41:42] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:41:42] Jasmine Khorsandi: She's the one who said, "Don't hire anybody."
[00:41:44] Dr. Taz: Oh, [00:41:45] yeah. "
[00:41:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: Don't hire anybody." Yeah. "They're gonna come and copy you." Yeah. "Don't hire anybody." Right. It's that [00:41:50] Iranian mindset, which is very similar to Indian mindset.
[00:41:53] Dr. Taz: Indian, yeah.
[00:41:54] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah.
[00:41:54] Dr. Taz: You know, [00:41:55] Asia. I mean, it's, it's a very similar mindset that to be protective and to [00:42:00] be like, you know, hold onto this little piece.
[00:42:03] Dr. Taz: Yeah. Because I think they've come from very [00:42:05] competitive cultures is my sense. I don't know. I wasn't raised there.
[00:42:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: Very competitive.
[00:42:09] Dr. Taz: [00:42:10] So, so there is that. But, like, that almost does us all a disservice, quite [00:42:15] honestly. Mm-hmm. I think we do better when we work in collaboration and when we work in community, and we [00:42:20] get further ahead, you know, just from a entrepreneurial standpoint.
[00:42:23] Dr. Taz: But from a health [00:42:25] standpoint, we have a second to breathe, you know? I look at the doctors that are out [00:42:30] there, and they are suffering so much today, you know, because whether they're in the conventional system [00:42:35] where they're just slogging it and, like, you know, seeing what you're saying, patient after patient over and [00:42:40] over and over again, volume, volume, volume.
[00:42:42] Dr. Taz: That is a soul-robbing profession- Yeah ... [00:42:45] which is why so many people don't want to be doctors anymore. And when you flip it and you have a lot of people [00:42:50] setting up their solo clinics or solo practice, like, that is a [00:42:55] lot, too. You know, that's a heavy lift and a heavy load as well. So I think we do do better when we [00:43:00] come together and we collaborate, and we can kind of create, co-create, you know, [00:43:05] in the universe.
[00:43:06] Dr. Taz: And I, I think it helps us as women. And I think women, let's go back to just [00:43:10] thinking about women, we were never meant to be [00:43:15] and to live alone. And to do alone. We always worked in this [00:43:20] sort of tribal, communal situation, even with raising kids. You know? [00:43:25] It was like there were, like, four aunties and, uh, four elders and, [00:43:30] like, all these people, and it was like a- Mm-hmm
[00:43:32] Dr. Taz: it was like a conglomerate, right? It [00:43:35] wasn't like, "Oh, I'm over here doing my thing. What are you doing over there?" You know? "Oh, you gave them what?" Like, you know, [00:43:40] it wasn't like that. You know? It was, it was very much m- it was much more communal. Now, I'm [00:43:45] sure everybody always gossiped and did all those things, right?
[00:43:47] Dr. Taz: But it was a communal culture, and I [00:43:50] think what's happened in, you know, this modern age is as we've moved to more [00:43:55] of this individualistic culture, it's only hurt us as women. And I think breast health, [00:44:00] breast cancer is one of those. I think mental health is another sign [00:44:05] of, of how we as women, if we really wanna have a conversation around health [00:44:10] and wellness, you know, then we've gotta be thinking more [00:44:15] communally rather than thinking about, "Okay, here's my stake in the sand, and my family, and my stuff, [00:44:20] and I'm gonna win."
[00:44:21] Dr. Taz: You know? And I think that's, that could be hurting us too, you know? [00:44:25]
[00:44:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think that's beautiful what you just said, because that individualistic [00:44:30] mindset can cause the disease.
[00:44:33] Dr. Taz: Mm. [00:44:35] And you're seeing it in the ultrasound world.
[00:44:38] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, yeah. It's, it's he- it's the [00:44:40] health space. I mean, "I got it on my own. I can do it better than anybody else."
[00:44:44] Dr. Taz: Right. [00:44:45] Yep.
[00:44:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: We as women need community. Mm. In the blue zones, the [00:44:50] reason why they live so long in the blue zones is because of their strong [00:44:55] sense of community. They eat meals together, breakfast, [00:45:00] lunch, and dinner with their neighbors. Mm. They go exercising with their neighbors. That [00:45:05] strong sense of community will keep your immune system even stronger [00:45:10]
[00:45:11] Dr. Taz: What do the Bali priestesses say about us?[00:45:15]
[00:45:15] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh, they think we're nuts.[00:45:20]
[00:45:21] Dr. Taz: You know, l- and again, I love that they're priestesses, 'cause again, it was always women that were the [00:45:25] healers that
[00:45:25] Jasmine Khorsandi: owned the medicine- You're a priestess. You're a healer. You're a priestess. You're a [00:45:30] healer. You're a goddess. God chose you to help all your sisters. [00:45:35] But you have to nourish and fill up your cup- Hmm
[00:45:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: if you wanna be a [00:45:40] vessel to help the masses. You can't live from an empty [00:45:45] cup.
[00:45:45] Dr. Taz: Well, a part of your healing journey, and I'm wondering if you learned this in Bali or you were already [00:45:50] doing this on your own, you know, you practice reiki-
[00:45:53] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah ...
[00:45:53] Dr. Taz: and sound [00:45:55] baths. Can you talk to me a little bit about that? I have in my head, [00:46:00] and we're not...
[00:46:01] Dr. Taz: You know, we've gone in a lot of different places today on this amazing podcast episode, but [00:46:05] there is this whole idea around vibration and vibrational energy [00:46:10] and what that means for our health. And for me, reiki, sound bath [00:46:15] are impacting that vibrational energy to bring us into healing. [00:46:20] How do you connect the dots for maybe our viewers and our listeners in terms [00:46:25] of how these modalities play into a topic like breast health and [00:46:30] a topic like coming into your femininity?
[00:46:33] Jasmine Khorsandi: So during that [00:46:35] really dark phase of my life, I signed up at a place called Unplug [00:46:40] Meditation. You- It's like a w- it's a monthly membership where they do sound baths, yoga, [00:46:45] meditation, 'cause I knew I needed to fill up my cup.
[00:46:48] Dr. Taz: Mm-hmm.
[00:46:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: I had no idea [00:46:50] what sound baths were. I had no idea, but a lot of people would tell me, "Jasmine, you should try and go into sound [00:46:55] baths.
[00:46:55] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're always giving. Go and just lay and receive. And the sound, the 528 [00:47:00] hertz, it goes into your bones. It goes into- Mm-hmm ... your cells. On a cellular level, you're gonna [00:47:05] feel more rejuvenated." So I started going three times a week.
[00:47:09] Dr. Taz: [00:47:10] Mm-hmm.
[00:47:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: And that's when my life also changed. I was getting downloads [00:47:15] from God just laying there.
[00:47:17] Jasmine Khorsandi: He would literally give me a to-do list to [00:47:20] do, and I would follow them, and my... Like, so many things-
[00:47:24] Dr. Taz: Oh my God, give me an
[00:47:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:47:25] example ... started to change. Sound has changed my life. That's why I went and I [00:47:30] learned.
[00:47:30] Dr. Taz: Ah.
[00:47:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's why I learned, because I saw that so many women in my clinic [00:47:35] needed sound and reiki because it's such a easy practice to learn- Right
[00:47:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: and [00:47:40] help people.
[00:47:40] Dr. Taz: Right. Mm-hmm.
[00:47:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: Um, God, two years ago, I was [00:47:45] definitely in the group of wrong friends.
[00:47:47] Dr. Taz: Hmm.
[00:47:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: wrong [00:47:50] friends that was, you know, God was like, "You're either gonna go this way with these girls or you're gonna go this [00:47:55] way." And he came to me in one of the sound baths out loud twice, [00:48:00] 'cause the first time I kind of, like, ignored it and I was, I wasn't, like, scared, so I'm like, "I'm not gonna let go of all my friends."[00:48:05]
[00:48:05] Jasmine Khorsandi: He came twice out loud. It was a very masculine noise, and he's like, "You need [00:48:10] to get rid of..." He said both their names loud.
[00:48:12] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:48:13] Jasmine Khorsandi: That, like, kinda took over my whole [00:48:15] body. It felt like I was, like, on a medicine journey, and I listened [00:48:20] After that, when God came into my, he said you need to... And these friends were very toxic.
[00:48:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:48:25] Yeah. Very toxic.
[00:48:26] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:48:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: Um, so after I, I listened to [00:48:30] him, and, and I, and the next day I just stopped picking up my phone on them. Imagine you're like [00:48:35] 33 years old. I'm not 18 years old to go make a- Right ... bunch of new friends. Right. Mm-hmm. It's [00:48:40] scary.
[00:48:40] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:48:41] Jasmine Khorsandi: And I stopped talking to them, and you know, my [00:48:45] life blasted.
[00:48:47] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:48:47] Jasmine Khorsandi: I built a clinic from scratch. [00:48:50] All these awakened- Just
[00:48:51] Dr. Taz: from making these
[00:48:52] Jasmine Khorsandi: changes ... just making these changes. All these [00:48:55] awakened spiritual goddesses came into my life that were high vibrational. I had space [00:49:00] because I was, like, drowning with these girls- Right ... and they were taking me with them.
[00:49:04] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:49:04] Jasmine Khorsandi: The [00:49:05] wrong friends can ruin your whole life.
[00:49:08] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:49:08] Jasmine Khorsandi: I can- It's like the wrong partner ... it's [00:49:10] like, it, it's exactly the same thing. Yeah. It could be the wrong... Same thing. And [00:49:15] I was, you know, they were, you know, very mean and very [00:49:20] judgmental, not doing the spiritual work, and I was in that group for a really long time, and I [00:49:25] was disconnected to myself because- Mm
[00:49:27] Jasmine Khorsandi: I was such a hard critic on myself- Right ... because of [00:49:30] them.
[00:49:30] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:49:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: You know? So-
[00:49:31] Dr. Taz: I, you know, it's so frustrating 'cause we know so [00:49:35] much nowadays, and we talk about these topics that I think were not talked about when I was [00:49:40] growing up or when I was in my 20s or even my early 30s. But I see young [00:49:45] women today, you know, whether they're coming into the clinic or I meet them, you know, wherever, [00:49:50] and I still don't think they're in their bodies.
[00:49:52] Dr. Taz: Like, I still think they're disconnected from their [00:49:55] bodies, and I still think, you know, I would love to cut short this [00:50:00] journey that it takes many of us till 40 or even 50 to get to in terms of [00:50:05] self-realization and alignment and, you know, being able to say no to people [00:50:10] and being able to, to really, to, like, live in your truth, you know?
[00:50:14] Dr. Taz: [00:50:15] And I think I get frustrated, you know, that, you know, how do we [00:50:20] get this message to them? How do we get this message to younger women about [00:50:25] getting back into your body? Connec- you know, they get scared now. They're hearing [00:50:30] inflammation's on the rise. I'm, I'm saying it along with everybody else.
[00:50:33] Dr. Taz: Inflammation's on the rise. Breast [00:50:35] cancer's on the rise in younger women. There's more toxicity in the environment. You know, there's more [00:50:40] autoimmune disease. There's a mental health crisis, you know? They're hearing these messages, [00:50:45] but I don't think women today are hearing the message of reconnect to [00:50:50] your body to truly stay healthy.
[00:50:53] Dr. Taz: And it's just one message. [00:50:55] And reconnecting to your body means embracing the power of your intuition to [00:51:00] understand who the right people are- Mm-hmm ... the right opportunities are, you know, who to surround [00:51:05] yourself, who the right partner will be. Because when you're not, like you're saying, you make wrong [00:51:10] decisions and your life takes a turn, goes this way, and it takes you a [00:51:15] really long time to unwind from all of that damage.
[00:51:17] Dr. Taz: Some women never do. And [00:51:20] oftentimes that is when these diagnoses show up, you know? So I don't [00:51:25] know. I'm just spinning here. But I, I just feel like if, if you are watching [00:51:30] and listening to this show and there are younger women in your life, we want them to hear this [00:51:35] message. And I don't know if you would add to any of that.
[00:51:37] Jasmine Khorsandi: I think it's beautiful. You spoke for [00:51:40] the both of us. Trusting that intuition. I was scared to trust it because it's scary to let go [00:51:45] of the, the known. But guess what? The unknown is so much better for you. [00:51:50] God's plan is so much bigger and better for you. If you [00:51:55] have that gut feeling that something's wrong, that's God nudging you.
[00:51:58] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:51:59] Jasmine Khorsandi: That's God [00:52:00] nudging you. He will keep nudging you until it gets louder and [00:52:05] louder and louder
[00:52:07] Dr. Taz: And the more you're in touch with yourself, the more you can hear [00:52:10] that-
[00:52:10] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes ... noise. You don't wanna wait- Yeah ... until it's a serious loud and something [00:52:15] serious happens. That's what disease is too. There's nudges all the time.
[00:52:19] Jasmine Khorsandi: [00:52:20] People always say, "I knew, I knew, I knew." Yeah. "I wish I listened."
[00:52:23] Dr. Taz: Yeah.
[00:52:24] Jasmine Khorsandi: Right?
[00:52:24] Dr. Taz: They also say [00:52:25] disease, if you look back, they als- also say disease is a spiritual wake-up call. [00:52:30]
[00:52:30] Jasmine Khorsandi: Oh,
[00:52:30] Dr. Taz: 100%. It's an, it's, it's not a sentence the way we think about [00:52:35] it in today's world and in, you know, modern medicine. It is more of a wake-up call.
[00:52:39] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. [00:52:40]
[00:52:40] Dr. Taz: And it's, uh, the call for you to wake up and get back into alignment with, [00:52:45] you know, whatever, whatever reason you're here and whatever it is that you are- Yes ... or you're not doing, that type of thing. Because
[00:52:49] Jasmine Khorsandi: you're [00:52:50] not listening.
[00:52:50] Dr. Taz: Right.
[00:52:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: You're not listening. Right. Yeah. And that's why that happens, for you to [00:52:55] get in touch with your intuition, to get in touch with your mind, body, and spirit, to wake up.[00:53:00]
[00:53:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: Hey, this is not working. God will do mysterious things to wake you [00:53:05] up. That's why we're here in this meat suit. Mm. To learn the lessons, to grow, to [00:53:10] expand, to shift, to change. If it's not working, things will happen [00:53:15] for you to wake up.
[00:53:16] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh. You said it so well. I don't think we could [00:53:20] say it any better.
[00:53:22] Dr. Taz: All right. So you have the Sana Seeni [00:53:25] clinic. You're opening up more clinics.
[00:53:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes.
[00:53:26] Dr. Taz: Correct? We're- Where do you intend to head next?
[00:53:29] Jasmine Khorsandi: So he- [00:53:30] next we're definitely going to couple more clinics in LA. We wanna go to New York. We wanna go to [00:53:35] Texas. We just wanna spread this amazing option to [00:53:40] women all over the world.
[00:53:42] Dr. Taz: And if you could tell women one [00:53:45] thing from your observation, one place to start, what would you tell them? [00:53:50]
[00:53:51] Jasmine Khorsandi: I would say start getting in [00:53:55] touch with your body.
[00:53:56] Dr. Taz: Mm.
[00:53:57] Jasmine Khorsandi: Start trusting your [00:54:00] intuition. That's God guiding you.
[00:54:03] Dr. Taz: Ugh, powerful. [00:54:05] All right. Last question. What makes you whole? [00:54:10] We ask everybody who comes on the show that question.
[00:54:12] Dr. Taz: What fills your cup? You've kind of answered it, but what fills [00:54:15] your cup? What makes you whole? Where do you hear that voice the [00:54:20] best?
[00:54:21] Jasmine Khorsandi: What fills my cup, my three-year-old niece- Oh ... [00:54:25] fills my cup. I
[00:54:25] Dr. Taz: love that.
[00:54:26] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yeah. We're super close, so we have a play [00:54:30] date once a week.
[00:54:30] Dr. Taz: Oh my gosh.
[00:54:31] Jasmine Khorsandi: And we have so much fun.
[00:54:34] Dr. Taz: I love that.[00:54:35]
[00:54:35] Jasmine Khorsandi: It's like we go to the beach, we go to the Santa Monica Pier, we have dance parties, we [00:54:40] go to the beach, and that raw love, you're a mother, you understand, [00:54:45] is a love I feel like I've never experienced before. So having [00:54:50] that really fills my cup.
[00:54:52] Dr. Taz: Incredible. And if someone wants to learn more about [00:54:55] you ...
[00:54:55] Jasmine Khorsandi: People can find information on my website, uh, [00:55:00] SanaBreast.com- Okay
[00:55:00] Jasmine Khorsandi: or Instagram. They could go on my Instagram and message me if they have any questions [00:55:05] about my journey, about the feminine energy. That's something that I love talking [00:55:10] about because it changed me, and I would love to share wisdom [00:55:15] and help guide women on that, because that's your health.
[00:55:18] Dr. Taz: Our breasts [00:55:20] are a part of our femininity.
[00:55:21] Dr. Taz: Yeah. And I think it, there is something to [00:55:25] that area being so affected nowadays. So I encourage everybody watching and listening [00:55:30] to reach out to Jasmin, or to at least pay more attention to their breast health and get back in touch with [00:55:35] their femininity. And if you're a young woman, get off the rat race, [00:55:40] understand your direction, because you have a lot of amazing things ahead of you.[00:55:45]
[00:55:45] Jasmine Khorsandi: Yes. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of Whole Plus. Be sure to share this
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