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Conversations from the Hype Network; Business innovation, technology, and current events from a faith-filled perspective.
Arun: of the Hype Pod.
From the Hype House Amen
Conference and so it's special.
I think we should just do can
people heckle us through this.
Yeah Yeah, live heckling.
Ps Adam: Can we hear the murmur anymore?
Live
Ps Vance: heckling.
Ps Adam: I don't know.
It just blew really loud.
It went super quiet.
Yeah.
Hanock
Ps Vance: is confused.
He's like, he's trying to
translate in German right now.
Arun: We'll do live translation.
We have AI somewhere.
He's been working on it.
Um, but I think we should do intros.
We've never done intros before.
I feel like nobody needs
intros, but I'll just do one.
You
Ps Adam: need the intro.
Yeah.
It's more for me.
It's more
Arun: for me.
It's more for
Ps Adam: me.
So let me just ruin is not AI.
Yeah.
He's a real guy.
A real
Arun: person.
Ps Adam: Yes.
Arun: Um, that's a real beard fit people.
Look at this.
Oh, I don't know.
I'm very shy with compliments.
You don't like it.
I don't like it.
I don't like it.
But like pastor Adam, AKA
the Australian M and M.
There we go.
That's the only reason
I wanted to do an intro.
That's the only reason
I wanted to do an intro.
The
Ps Vance: Australian Eminem?
The Australian Eminem.
Oh, cause of his hair.
Arun: You wrote your joke.
I
Ps Adam: did,
Arun: I wrote that thing.
You
Ps Adam: wrote your joke.
There's no other notes.
You were so That's the
one thing on your page.
Australian
Ps Vance: Eminem.
Don't screw it up.
Did ChatGBT do that one?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You were so You were so excited.
You were
Arun: so excited.
And then we have Pastor Vance,
Executive Pastor at Vibe Church,
and the founder of Overflow.
Ps Vance: No joke.
Yeah, no joke for you.
What is this joke?
You're gonna
Arun: dye your hair next time.
The caramel.
Caramel, yeah latte.
I don't know.
Okay, we'll figure it out.
Yeah, and I'm you know, you guys have
a nickname for me butter chicken.
Yeah Straight butter chicken next time.
I'll find a food for you.
Is
Ps Vance: that factual or no?
Arun: But we've already had a intro
by Katrina about high membership and
hype network Yeah, but do you guys want
to give a quick pitch to the actual
listeners later on about high membership?
I've network
Ps Adam: Um, yeah, I mean, let's,
let's talk about it real quick.
We have this week got so many
amazing people in, uh, the
building and out in the hype house.
And, uh, you know, I've
been fascinated every year.
I'm always fascinated talking to
different founders, uh, different, uh,
growth stage, uh, developers and company
builders, uh, who always ask me very
similar questions and, uh, I'm very kind.
I like to help answer, but I'm
just like, Hey, You're going to
get this in, in the hype mob.
You're going to, you're going to find
this in the membership on a monthly
basis where it's not just a download.
You get to have a team of people who
are probably going through something
you've been through or you're going
through, or you need some insight on.
And you know, I think we
just, We keep it super cheap.
I mean, we keep it at a nominal, I
think it's like a thousand bucks a year.
Um, I've been a part of all kinds
of mentoring, uh, programs that had
been a thousand dollars a session.
Uh, and, uh, you know, we, we just,
we try and just keep it as cheap as
possible because we want to kind of
really invest in a startup ecosystem.
And so, uh, at the day, if you see
value in investing in yourself, I
would just say, Hey, commit a year.
Okay.
Commit a year to developing
what you don't yet know.
I think that's always the, the, the,
you know, the fascinating thing is,
uh, you want to invest in what's
going to grow you, but what do you
invest in that's going to grow you?
And when you don't know what you
don't know, you can look at maybe
something like a membership.
You're thinking about time commitment,
you're thinking about, uh, parting
with some finances, but at the end of
the day, if you don't take that step,
you'll still be at the same place a year
later, not knowing what you don't know.
So there's going to be a point where you
have to actually make a decision to say,
man, I'm just going to invest in me.
I'm going to invest in my
mindset, my understanding.
And, uh, for us out of all the networks,
there's plenty of ecosystems, uh,
business networks to really be a part
of a faith and innovation network.
Uh, people who talk your language, who
have the same motivation as you do, uh,
is a huge advantage in the industry.
Yeah,
Ps Vance: I mean, it, it not just comes
with kind of the monthly mentorship, uh,
we'll do it video actually at amen week.
We did it in person, which was
really, really cool, but it
comes with the members chat.
So there's a specific private chat
that we all are on encouraging each
other, unlocking insights for each
other, and then curated events, uh,
like Katrina was saying earlier.
Uh, and so there's going to be
networking nights, um, really FaceTime
with some of our investor friends
and things like that to bring unlock.
So it's really fun.
Arun: I want to add something really
powerful that you said it wasn't
just, um, people that are looking
for like funding, it's builders
helping builders and everybody's like
joining this network to help like
grow the entire kingdom together.
So I think it's a really cool network.
Definitely join in.
Um, but I want to touch on
a man conference day one.
It feels like I'm interviewing
you in like between quarters of
like an NBA championship game.
Like this is like a week.
Arun, where have you been?
That's what
Ps Adam: we want to know.
That's what the crowd want to know.
You've been MIA, you've
been putting out fires.
Is everything under control?
I work in
Arun: crypto.
Crypto is not doing too hot right now.
So I've been working
hard to bring it back.
That's a different narrative
than you've been pushing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I've been working
hard to bring it back.
If you come to the Art of Digital
Currency tomorrow, you know.
Yes, you're doing a session.
I'll be talking about why
I still believe in it.
Yeah, but, uh, President
Trump believes in it.
Oh, yeah.
Should we just jump right into the topics?
Go.
There's a debate tonight.
Oh, yes.
Biden, Trump.
Oh, my goodness.
Or it's Trump and A.
I.
Biden.
We don't know, really.
It's definitely going to be.
I don't know who's coming, but look,
Ps Adam: it's going to be interesting.
And, uh, uh, I'm not
going to watch it live.
I'm going to be listening to Pastor
Henoch preach, which is going to
be way more beneficial for my soul.
It's
Arun: true.
Ps Adam: Uh, but I, I am going to record
it and we'll, I think, uh, Michelle
and I discussed, we'll probably play
it next week at our CP retreat, uh, and
we'll just, uh, really grow together.
Um, but I, I gotta tell you, I think I
have never ever been more excited for
a presidential debate than this one.
I think I'm just, as you
said, I'm fascinated.
How is, how is Biden gonna show up?
What, what's gonna, what is it gonna be?
I really am fascinated.
What do
Arun: you guys usually take
away from these debates?
Is it more for the spectacle of it?
Or do you guys actually feel
like, you know, when you watch
previous presidential debates, you
actually get something from it?
Ps Adam: I mean, as far as policy,
are you talking about policy?
I think it's a, I think it's
a display of personality.
I think that's what it is.
I think it's, it's really,
we don't get too much policy.
Uh, there's always so
much skirting around it.
And, uh, you know, it's going to be a lot
of what I've done in my term or what I've
done in this term or what you didn't do.
And, Really, I think, uh, it would be
great if it was a, uh, hey, this is,
this is where I'm going to bring change.
This is what we're going to do.
Um, I think by now, if you don't know
where each candidate stands on policies,
uh, you haven't been paying attention.
I just think this one is, do these two
men have a cognitive ability to actually
push forward or is Or is one of them
actually a puppet being controlled by
a group of people behind the scenes?
Ps Vance: Yeah, I think people
are very curious on competency
and potential longevity, right?
I think people are going to be less
concerned about maybe even what they
say and how they carry themselves.
And can we see this person
lasting another four years?
Arun: Yeah.
Right.
So that's going to be
really interesting to see.
I don't know if you, did you guys
listen to the all in podcast with Trump?
Um, Oh, I did.
I did.
Yeah.
Or that was spectacular.
It was really, really good.
That was a really good podcast.
It was actually a really good podcast.
If you haven't heard
it, highly recommend it.
It's almost
Ps Vance: as good as the Hypod, but yeah.
Arun: It's almost as good.
Yeah.
Listen to this episode again, and
then listen to the all in podcast.
Um, but he talked about a really cool
policy change around, um, students
that get a college degree here.
And they'll get an automatic
visa after the fact.
I think that's a huge, I
don't know if it'll happen.
You just won the election.
Yeah.
I feel like, I don't know if that's, you
know, you can promise a lot of stuff.
Who knows what will actually happen, but
that is like change that we need to see.
Ps Adam: Look, you can
promise a lot of stuff, but
Arun: whether
Ps Adam: it gets through the
Senate or not, that's, that's
a whole nother, uh, deal.
But honestly, that is a game changer.
That is an absolute game changer
because for someone as an immigrant.
Who had to go through the process,
uh, you know, legally and it
is a very complicated process.
It is not easy, but I don't
believe things should be easy.
I think some things are worthwhile
going through that rigorous process
to make sure that this great nation
gets the best people in the nation.
Um, what, what becomes really strange
is when we're just, when our, when
the hard road, the pathway that is
so difficult to get the best people.
Um, the best people are proven with
a college degree and a graduation
from some of the top tier colleges
who can't then get a, a visa.
Um, that seems really strange.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Ps Vance: And, and I think
it's so interesting because in
the previous session we were
talking about scale, right?
And, Scale in and of itself
is actually not the goal.
Healthy scale is the goal.
And so when you even think about
policies like this, illegal immigration
versus legal immigration, right?
One scales the country, right?
Not in a healthy way.
Another scales the country in a very
healthy and vibrant way that can
help fulfill the vision if there is a
vision for the country in the next leg.
Right.
And so these are the
tools that we can use.
Um, and it was cool to hear him say that.
Arun: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, he brought an example of there's
a lot of these people that graduate
end up having these brilliant ideas.
They can't stay in the
country and they'll go.
back to their home country,
start the business and it'll
be a huge and help that GDP.
Right, exactly.
There's no reason not to do it, right?
There's no
Ps Adam: reason not to do it.
I think it's also a, um, it's just
an intelligent way to both advance
the country and protect the country.
I just don't know why it's such a weird
idea that a country should desire border
protection to, to have, uh, you know,
ways to get in gateways, doorways to get
in, but to actually do it's really legal.
Uh, and so, you know, I just think
it's, it's a really strange, uh, even
conversation, but, uh, do I think
that, um, the, the, just creating a,
a pathway for college graduates, I
actually think another element I would
love would be some kind of bureaucracy,
uh, uh, discipline where we can
actually change some of the unnecessary
red tape of the process as a church.
We do definitely, uh, You do visas and
we apply for R1 visas for certain people
to be able to even be here at conference
and man The red tape that you have to go
through is absolutely unnecessary In a
lot of ways and so just the simple delays
the how unresourced I think homeland
security is Um, I think that that would
be a really great policy push as well.
And that's
Ps Vance: why I love technology, right?
Technology can solve this Right.
And I actually have a friend that is
in this space creating kind of a layer
on top of the government process to be
able to automate some of this paperwork.
And so a lot of times we can
get frustrated about things,
but as entrepreneurs, we
don't stay frustrated, right?
Being frustrated means you're
meant to fix it, right?
Maybe you're called in that direction.
Arun: Yeah.
Um, on that topic, I want to talk
about advancements in technology.
So recently, um, so for people
don't know my daily job, 99 percent
of it is just browsing Twitter.
So I'm on Twitter all the time.
And what came across Twitter for
me was this company called Cognify.
Um, and what they're trying to do
is they're trying to build a new.
The prison of the future.
So actual prisons like physical
prisons of the future using AI.
Um, and so what they're going
to do is they're going to remap
your memories with AI memories.
And so the idea is they
want to speed up the rehab.
Rehabilitation.
Rehabilitation.
Yeah.
So they'll for years of prison sentence,
they can do it in minutes and they
can feed memories into your brain.
That'll change the way you think.
Um, and so I'm going to show you guys
a clip and on the for people that
watch the pod, you'll get to see it.
Um, but if you've ever, I'm going to
describe it to the people out here.
If you've ever seen, um, the Matrix, you
know when Neo's waking up out of the pod?
Yeah, that's what this looks like.
And so the idea is, instead of you have
these giant prison cells, you have these
people that can either opt in to a 10 year
prison sentence or, into this experiment.
Well, by the time it
comes out, it'll be real.
Um, but this idea of where AI
is going, um, is really, really,
I've never seen this one.
This one's really interesting.
Um, and so there's, outside of the prison
aspect of it, they're thinking that
it could be used to help treat people
with PTSD, or if you have memory loss.
So hang
Ps Adam: on, catch me up.
They're not cryogenically
frozen or anything.
No, no, no.
This is like a literal, just
a brain dump of new memories.
Arun: Not just, yeah, new memories
that are Erasing old memories.
They might not be erasing them.
They're just remapping them.
So they might be somewhere deep down.
Give me the concept on what,
what the memories achieve.
The, so it's now, let's
say I committed a crime.
And so I saw it from my perspective.
I can now get the memories
of the victim's perspective.
And so now I, I have all
of that empathy in me.
And so now maybe it changes
the way I approach my life.
And so these are all AI generated memories
that there'll be pumping into you.
And so this is where technology is going.
So.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: I think it's sick.
In
Ps Vance: a good way or a bad way?
Ps Adam: No, I think it's not sick good.
Um, Yeah, I mean, look, the, the,
This kind of stuff is so funny, right?
Like, uh, just, just, Brain manipulation
is, uh, certainly a subject that is
fascinating, especially when you're
talking about Neuralink and you're talking
about, uh, you know, computer processing,
thoughts, uh, enhancements, human
enhancements, all that kind of stuff.
Uh, and being able to, uh, I
was, I was hearing about the fact
that they can map dreams now.
and map what you dream.
Now, who would want to map their dreams?
I don't know, because dreams are crazy.
Um, most dreams are terrifying.
Uh, and it's like, hang on, I don't
know what, if I want to rewatch that.
Uh, but I think, I think the, the idea
of of the possibility of thought and,
uh, controlling, I think, uh, who's
who, what's the name of the guy that,
uh, had the first Neuralink, uh, test
anyway, he he's, he's able to now
actually control a mouse with a thought.
Not even just actually
just thinking about it.
Arun: No,
Ps Adam: that's kind of cool.
That's kind of cool But to not be
able to decipher what is actually
a lived experience and an implanted
experience, uh, that sounds like prison
Ps Vance: What's the goal of it?
The goal of it is to Accelerate the
sentence so yeah release them faster.
Exactly because then you can rehabilitate,
Arun: because then
Ps Vance: you can judge that.
Okay.
We can get them on parole earlier.
Yeah, exactly.
They have enough empathy.
Now you have
Arun: a chance, a second chance
quicker than you would do.
So you're suggesting that
time produces empathy.
So time in prison, I think that
that's what they're suggesting, right?
That's
Ps Adam: what I'm saying.
Time in prison produces a real
debate because they're sorry.
Now they've had time to
think back on their actions.
And, uh, I don't.
Is it is it they're empathetic or
they don't want to do that time again?
So if if you could just do it
in 10 minutes and produce the
empathy There's still no punishment
because it was 10 minutes.
It wasn't 10 years of your
Arun: life But I think for them it'll feel
like 10 years because the memories are
all going to be real It's going to feel
like real memories that spanned across
10 years, but it's just downloaded in 10
Ps Adam: I just feel like you didn't
age but you got 10 years of experience.
Arun: Oh interesting.
Ps Adam: It doesn't feel like punishment.
It
Arun: feels You
Ps Adam: Awesome.
Arun: Yeah, I know.
I just thought about that.
That could speed up.
I also don't know.
Ps Vance: Okay.
My question in business.
Ps Adam: It's better.
I want this.
I'm going to commit a crime.
Just so I can get 10 years.
I mean, what an advantage in life.
Like you're the same age, but
you've got 10 years of wisdom.
You've got like another decade under your
belt, but you don't have it on your face.
That is so cool.
Well, the thing is
Ps Vance: like, why is the
application first for prison?
I was wondering.
This seems just cool in general.
When
Arun: you watch the video at the very end,
it says, and we can help people with PTSD.
But the first thing is like the whole
pitch is, why don't we just help
anybody increase the market size here?
I don't know.
Ps Adam: So it's like
a spa for your brain.
That's what it is.
Yeah, maybe.
But it, it, that's their, that
should be their market wedge.
Actually, let's get outta
the prison system guys.
Uh, if I'm gonna coach
these guys, I'm gonna Yeah.
Seriously.
Join hype membership.
And then you get a call
and I'm gonna, okay.
We're gonna, we're gonna, let's, let's
give 'em a, let's give 'em a pitch back.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
You're investors, right?
They're coming to you with
this whole prison system.
We're gonna rehabilitate people
through 10 minutes, not 10 years.
We're gonna recondition their mind.
They're gonna come up
with way more empathy.
We say, guys, we hear what you're saying.
Love parts of it, hate parts of it.
We're going to be real honest with you.
What if we focus this more to the health
and development market, more than the
rehabilitation of criminals market.
Let's keep brick criminals locked
up and let's go to the, uh, Orange
County and let's, instead of
spa, let's do spa for the mind.
Let's get some download.
What, what do you want to learn?
A language?
10 minutes.
What do you want to learn?
A business?
Boom, 10 minutes.
What do you want to learn?
History?
Boom, 10 minutes.
Man, if you could create that you
could charge You could charge.
You already described the Matrix, right?
Like this is Exactly.
This is the movie.
I love that.
Kung Fu?
Yeah, done.
Done.
I know
Ps Vance: Kung Fu.
Yeah, that's
Ps Adam: exactly right.
What would you want to do
if this company existed?
Ps Vance: Kung Fu.
That's the first thing you would do?
Ps Adam: Yeah, probably.
Something like that.
I mean, that would just
be, that would be cool.
Imagine if you could just come and
go, Oh, now I want to fight somebody.
Yeah, but your
Ps Vance: strength hasn't changed.
But skill, you know.
Ps Adam: Skill, yeah.
Yeah, I mean it's, yeah.
Yeah, you're right.
The knowledge.
No, okay, I'll be practical.
I would say Italian.
I was gonna say language.
I think language is so cool.
I'd probably just go with it.
What language would you pick?
I'll pick Italian.
Arun: No, no,
Ps Adam: no, no, no.
But we have Italian campuses, like,
it's a beautiful language Just have
some So all we want Let's set some
limits, man, otherwise that's not fun.
That's true, that's
Arun: true.
Ps Adam: If you're picking
language, what is it?
Do you want to speak Australian?
I would love
Arun: to, I would love to.
Just like the slang, mapping Yeah, you're
Ps Adam: probably confused
at half of the stuff he says.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Every
Arun: time I go I learn a few more words.
Ps Adam: Arvo.
Arun: Arvo, yeah.
Ps Adam: Well done.
Arun: That's it.
I lost them all.
Yeah, I need, I need, I'm
gonna, I'm gonna message them.
But they came with, um, the next question.
I saw an article by a church.
Um, it said, will AI make
people reconsider Christianity?
And so the idea was that
we're getting so close.
To the theoretical limit of what humanity
really is, and AI can generate content
that seems so close to that, right?
And we're getting close to humanoids
that are gonna look just like
us, content that's coming out of
them that sounds just like us.
Um, I was just watching this clip of
Dave Chappelle, if you know who he is.
Um, they used AI to, he's a stand
up comedian, they used AI to
generate Content in his style.
They use AI to generate video
of him saying it in that
style with the same cadence.
And it sounded exactly, the jokes
were, you know, hit or miss.
Um, but you know, every comedian
has some hit or miss jokes.
Um, and it seems like we're
getting to that point.
And so the article was kind of
positioning, you know, how do we separate
that where it's now people are not
realizing what is true humanity and then
how you distinguish what the soul is.
And that,
Ps Adam: well, you're going
to go right real deep for it,
for a, uh, a live podcast.
Um, look, I think that.
All the myths that we have
about AI, I think they're all in
that dreamscape at the moment.
I think the reality of it,
what it actually is going to
be is way more disappointing.
If you think it's going to really
confuse your sense of what is,
uh, what's consciousness and
what's feeling and what's emotion.
Um, I'm not really a, uh, uh, You
know, anti humanoids or anything.
I'm actually kind of looking forward
to one because I've got a lot of tasks,
uh, around the house that I think what
advantage AI is going to serve me is
in doing the things I don't want to do.
I don't want AI songwriting
because I like songwriting.
Um, I don't want AI doing
designing and creativity because
I like that kind of stuff.
What I want it to do is
mow the flippin lawn.
I want it to, I want it to walk my dog.
You know, I want it to do the
tasks that I don't want to do.
And if that requires a
humanoid, I'm for it.
I do also know that society A lot
of society, not society at all.
A lot of society is very, uh, uh, well
it's probably just a minority to be
honest with you of society that ends up
getting these fixation of feelings towards
objects or, you know, something like that.
So of course there are going to be
some negativities with everything.
Take social media for example.
Um, it takes, it can take a
strong person into a weak state
if you become dependent on it.
But at the same time, we can't just
get rid of social media because it
is now corrosive to people's soul.
It's a good opportunity to develop,
to develop disciplines around how
much screen time it's in your control,
or are you controlled by this?
And I think with everything,
you still have a human decision.
So when it comes to AI, is AI
going to take over the world?
I mean, let's just
settle down a little bit.
Uh, I think the reality of it was going to
be, is going to be far less impacted than
the, than the, uh, The dreamscape of it.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
And I think we're a lot further away
from some of these things than people
think, because we've been working
on self driving cars for the last
decade plus and 15, 16 year olds can
still drive better than self driving.
Arun: Yeah.
Ps Vance: Right.
And so the ability of a human still
far outweighs where AI is currently.
And I think when people think
about the fear of AI in church,
they're thinking about Terminator
now becoming the pastor, right?
Singularity.
And I don't think that's actually
going to be the prominent way that
AI is going to be used in the church.
I actually think that AI, to Pastor
Adam's point, is going to be less
prominent in things that we love to do.
I think AI is going to be less prominent
in the worship experience and AI Though
will empower our back office, right?
AI will become the new CFO.
AI will become the new reporting function.
AI will do the back office
administrative things to level up
the operators of the church, to make
them more effective at their jobs.
So they can do creativity, they can
do outreach, they can do ministry.
And in the era of meta, in the era of
AI, in the era of deep Fakes with that
Dave Chappelle example, I actually
believe that that's going to cause in
real life church to be held at a premium
because there's physical impartation.
In an era of deep fake, what's
actually going to happen is you're
not going to know what's real online.
The only way to verify is this.
The only way to verify is to
actually have a transference.
A physical impartation, and that's
actually going to be held at a premium.
So I think there's going to be
a whole swing back, right, from,
okay, the church is online, that
the future of church is online.
I mean, we will use online as a tool,
but the future of church is in person.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
And I think you've got to, you've
got to pick what is it that in a
church experience you want in person?
Well, you, you definitely want
pastoral, you want a preaching,
you want a worship, uh, but.
Does it really matter if the person
following you up and thanking
you for coming and taking you in
your next step is an actual real
person or is it the intention?
Like if you get a phone call from a follow
up team member and they're like, Hey,
I'm so glad you came to church today.
And, uh, really hope that you
enjoyed the sermon as much as we did.
We'd love to get you connected to
the community and get you on your
next steps into this community.
Does that really matter?
actual person, or if it's AI, but kind
of having that conversation with you,
as long as it gets you the intention of
being followed up and into your next step.
Yeah.
I think that is definitely an area
that AI can be enhancing the church,
maximizing that connection point and
minimizing fall off rate, but I don't
think it's going to replace the pastor.
Ps Vance: No.
And I think that AI of the future
is actually going to look less like
Terminator and more like Jarvis.
Yes.
Right.
It's going to look like
more of what Iron Man had.
It's going to be the assistant.
It's going to be the agent.
It's going to be the advocate.
It's going to be the helper
to make you more effective.
If our iPhones made us two times
more effective, AI is going to
make us 10 times more effective
and what we're called to do.
Arun: Yeah, no.
And I think you touched on something
about, you know, what the things
that AI is going to replace.
And it's a nice segue into, um,
this new trend that's going on.
We talked about DEI on the podcast before.
Um, there's this new trend going
on called MEI, meritocracy, merit,
excellence and intelligence.
And if you don't know what DEI is,
it's diversity, equity and inclusion.
Um, and so it's like the kind of
principles of how you build your team.
Um, and so, um, Alexander Wang,
who's the CEO of scale, she's the
one or he's the one that coined this.
Yep.
Um, And so now it's getting
back by a lot of other founders.
Um, so I'm just curious
what you guys think.
You guys have been building, you know,
big teams, big, large organizations.
How have you guys gone through the
cycles of when DEI first got, you
know, kind of became the big thing?
And then now, what do you
guys think about that?
Well, we
Ps Vance: never went through the cycle.
Arun: Okay.
Ps Vance: Right, we never
went through this cycle.
It's hilarious, right, that M.
E.
I.
is going viral.
And people are like
jumping on this bandwagon.
It's like common sense.
It's like, literally, the
whole idea is, hey, this is a,
this is gonna be a crazy idea.
What if, when we interview, we
pick the most qualified person?
Like, what are we talking about?
Um, and so it is funny.
Um, I do think that there is
a wave of rationality that's
coming back in the country.
And I did, I do think it was
because of certain courageous
people, um, that pioneered.
the hopefully end of cancel culture,
um, and things like that so that
we can have truly free speech.
Um, but some of this is all, all of it is
elevating just rational thinking again.
And so, um, I like it.
It's also a little bit funny
because it seems like common sense.
I don't know what your take is.
That's right.
He doesn't want to give us good.
Ps Adam: Let her rip.
No, I mean, I, this is the thing
that triggers me the most in life.
I'll be honest with you.
Uh, I feel like I'm in stupid
land a lot of the time.
And, uh, you know, just persevering
with, uh, an idiot in idiocracy more than
anything, because what, what we, We've
been talking about this since the day
we started Hypod, that, uh, a, a merit
based system is really at the heart of
every smart person building a company.
And nobody ever believed in DEI.
They were just virtue signaling.
It wasn't like, Oh, this is going
to actually build our company.
No, it was like, Hey, let's write off.
Let's just write off a swath
of money just so that we can
appear, uh, and appease people.
Uh, but let's backfill it with
people actually going to do the work.
So they, it wasn't like they
replaced doers with diversity hires.
They just added diversity
hires to make an appearance.
And so, uh, what we've got is we've got to
come, uh, a permission, enough bold people
in the industry that have taken the hit.
Of, uh, maybe some backlash and then
you've got a whole bunch of people
that are going to follow suit now and
go, Oh yeah, no, we're MEI as well.
When the reality is, um, I just, I
think what frustrates me about this
is when we just, when we actually
set something in society and
culture and everyone is too weak to
actually stand up for what's right.
And, uh, we just gonna.
We're going to hire based on,
you know, uh, an appearance.
So we're going to hire based on the fact
that we just feel like there's a under
undervalue now in some areas, I think
that we have talked about this before.
You need to go back and listen, listen
to some hot pods that there are certain
areas where we That are underserved that
actually bring a unique perspective.
And I feel like that actually is an
important area, but not just because we
need, um, you know, a white male here
and a black female here, and we need
Hispanic here and we need Asian here.
And so we just got all the colors.
And so we feel good about ourselves.
That's actually, or to, you know,
pay retributions for our past.
I just think at the end of the
day, you're, you're overstepping
people who are actually highly
qualified to put in the work just to.
Ps Vance: I actually think that
meritocracy believes in diversity.
I don't think we have to be opposed.
Exactly.
You look at Vive Church,
you look at the people in
leadership at Vive Church, right?
The best people are in place, and
as a byproduct, there is diversity.
And
Ps Adam: my thing is you should
be offended if you are hired based
on anything except competence.
Like it should be a offense
to you as the person.
If you are hired under a DEI role,
you should go, hang on, can I just
get hired for my qualifications?
Can I get hired for my
brains and my competency?
Not because I feel a gap
in your color palette.
And
Ps Vance: I think this is an
interesting principle, um, that goes
deeper because it is the way that
you approach solving problems, right?
When you identify a problem, Are
you actually coming at it from
like a, a fear based position?
Are you coming at it from a
limited perspective or a limitation
time, uh, you know, perspective?
And I just think that it's the
same thing in church, right?
Uh, people that have church hurt, their
conclusion is I'm going to throw the baby.
Out with the bathwater.
Um, all of a sudden I have church
hurt, all of a sudden the construct
of church is now not the solution.
Well, hey, how do we
come to that conclusion?
Was it actually based
out of hurt and fear?
And not rational thinking
and clear thinking.
Maybe we need to mend the hurt first.
Maybe we need to actually have healing
to the hurt first so that we can
think clearly to come up with now.
Then the best solution for
the problem identified.
Arun: Yeah, I think that's something
that happens when you have these
kind of headlines that you follow
instead of like understanding the
real root problem that's beneath it.
Same thing happens with crypto.
You know, you kind of hear
all the scams, all the hype,
all the pump and dump schemes.
But there's like actually real
core infrastructure that People
are working on, I promise.
And, um, but there's a lot of that there
that people just throw it out because
they read an article and that's all it is.
And I feel like DEI was kind of
an over correction in that way.
And I think the people that are
pushing back on MEI is they're
afraid it's going to be an over
correction back the other way.
When you're, what you said,
it's, it's really both, right?
There's no reason that it
can't have diversity, but also
have merit at the same time.
Ps Adam: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,
Arun: wait.
Oh, sorry.
What do you mean?
It's both.
I, you, you, there's no reason
to not include somebody.
No, not reason
Ps Adam: to not, based on their
pedigree, their background.
Right, right, right.
No, no, but you should be approaching, I
mean, given your industry, there's going
to be different requirements, right?
What you need in a candidate.
When I'm looking at hiring for the
church, I'm looking at character.
I'm looking at the things I can't develop.
So, on my radar, skill is
a lot lower than character.
Because I can develop skill,
I can't develop character.
So I'm looking at what can I
develop and what can't I develop.
And, uh, but in another industry,
skill is a definite requirement.
If you're a pilot skill.
You might be cheating on your
taxes, but can you fly the plane?
Right?
So, so that industry requires a
different set of, of resume, right?
Mm-Hmm.
. Um, so, but in the church character and
integrity and anointing, high, high ranked
so high that probably don't at Google.
Arun: Mm-Hmm.
,
Ps Adam: right?
So, so given the industry, I think
the approach still is you have to
have your set of what actually is
the best person for that position.
Mm-Hmm.
. Um, and, uh, then, then that
determines what you hire.
Each one of them is a meritable
amount of, of measurement.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
And people try to control the outcome
and they ignored the origin, right?
And so let's be real, let's real talk.
If you, when I started at Google, most
of our engineers were Chinese and Indian.
But then when I understand their
culture more, math and science and STEM
is Highlighted since the very origin
of their upbringing so that there's
a disproportionate amount of people.
Okay, cool Well, if I'm coming from a
Filipino family, and I don't see software
engineers that look like me I have to go
back to the origin not try to cut corners
shortcut over here and try to control
the outcome and twist the outcome, right?
But if I go back and I address the
origin and I train my kids on STEM,
if I make that a highlight, a value,
a virtue in our household, then
all of a sudden the outcomes over
time will start to shift, right?
Because we're now raising up just
best in class software developers or
whatever industry we're focused on.
Arun: I want to switch topics really
quick, um, on kind of like more of
like a teaching topic as we kind of
go into this and it came around a
sermon you did three weeks ago when
you talked about, um, the, you were,
you mentioned this line in your sermon.
You said freedom without purpose is waste.
Yes.
Um, and I just wanted to talk
about, you know, purpose.
I wanted to talk about how you guys define
purpose, how you guys distinguish between
that and like goals that you have in life.
Ps Vance: I mean, I, I'm a big
believer in the purpose economy.
I believe that if you're going to
compete, uh, in building an organization
and building a company, um, whether
it's a nonprofit or for profit, your
competitive, your competitive advantage
will be understanding that we are
heading into a huge economic boom.
exponential effect in terms of
what I call the purpose economy.
That is people like millennials and the
next generations that are not just going
to settle for the compensation package,
but they want meaning to their money.
They want meaning to their work.
They want a deeper
purpose for their lives.
And so it's just Maslow's
hierarchy, right?
If we want to take a psychological
lens, because I'm a Our parents
and our grandparents didn't
necessarily have the wrong mindset.
They were just on the lower rungs cause
they needed to create safety and security.
They came from places of world wars.
They came from places
of economic uncertainty.
And so that's why the American
dream used to be a white picket
fence in the suburbs because it
represented safety and security.
But if you meet a millennial and
we have a lot of millennials at
Berkeley, church here at Amen
Conference and in the Hype Network.
The American dream is no longer a white
picket fence and a home in the suburb.
The American dream is actually
a selfie in Santorini.
It's actually a Michelin star
restaurant experience, right?
What I'm saying is that, and I'm not
saying that's right or wrong, I'm just
saying that Millennials want meaning.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll say it's wrong.
I'll just go ahead.
Well, well, well, Millennials
want meaning, right?
And so what I'm saying is that
if the church doesn't actually
give Millennials meaning, they
will find it on their own, right?
And so we have to leverage the
purpose economy, and we have to put
at the forefront in front of people
the highest purpose, the name above
all names, that the greatest mission
of all time, the great commission,
right, that we get to do with God.
And then with that, we leverage
already what's happening with people
with humanity is they want purpose.
Ps Adam: Exactly.
And I mean, that's,
that's well articulated.
I think the, the, if you want to
categorize purpose and goals, I
would say that purpose is your drive.
Uh, and, and goals are
your, your measure markers.
Am I making ground?
Am I actually, am I actually just
burning rubber on the same spot, wasting
a lot of energy, or am I actually
getting traction in, in the purpose?
But having a purpose
will be your true north.
Your purpose will be the
momentum behind your life.
Uh, so even when it comes to building a
company, when it comes to having a family.
, all of those should
align with your purpose.
Mm-Hmm.
. And that's actually what's driving
you to actually get up each day.
That's what's driving
you to put the effort in.
That's what's driving you to when you
could, uh, you know, just maybe waste
time decide, no, I ain't wasting time
anymore 'cause I've got a purpose.
Mm-Hmm.
without purpose, you'll
literally fumble around.
Uh, and, uh, it takes a while
to actually get anything done.
So, so purpose, uh, for, I think what
Vance articulated really good for Gen Z.
Uh, especially we're going
to see a, uh, your purpose.
If it's not adapted from God, if it's not
God given, like you haven't realized what
God's purpose is for your life, you'll
develop it off what the society tells
you, you should have your purpose on.
Ps Vance: Well, you
have a Gen Z daughters.
So how is that, uh, like in real time?
How are you helping shape that
purpose and how are you helping
shape them in their direction?
Ps Adam: Well, I think that this is
where I think the, the, the structure
of the home becomes so important in a
purpose realization process, because
you, as if you're a parent, as young
as your kids can talk and, and dialogue
with you, you should be actually having,
not just don't ask them questions about
who they are, tell them who they are.
Arun: Good.
Ps Adam: So what you want to do is
you want to preload their identity.
Beautiful.
Okay.
And we talk about this all the time.
As soon as our daughters were
cognizant and they could actually
repeat things, we would, we would
put rhymes together every day.
I would take them to school.
We talk about what Small Com girls are.
We're confident, caring, loving, and kind.
We would literally repeat it.
We would, we would sing it
like, cause that's what they
did on, you know, play school.
And that's what they did
on all these kids shows.
Everything was a song and it
would, they'd sing these songs.
So I'm like, let me get my song.
into them so that it's hardwiring
their brain and it's, and it's now the,
the proof is in the fact that they're
teenagers and, uh, you're going to
see my daughter's leading worship on
stage at 17 years old at 17 years old.
If you put a microphone in my hand, I
would have been like, Freak death, but
they just got this inbuilt confidence.
Where did that come from?
I brainwashed them
Ps Vance: and today they're still singing
those songs of identity, just from a
different perspective, and we brain
Ps Adam: wash them, which is essential
because the world is making their brain
toxic and their brain is getting dirty.
And so someone needs to watch it.
And it's washed with the word.
It's washed with life.
It's washed with identity,
just cleansing their mind.
And so if you're not brainwashing your
kids, the world will brainwash them.
So, so, so your purpose will always
come out of identity, identity.
Look at Jesus when Jesus was baptized
before he began his mission up out of
the water says the Holy Spirit came
upon him and a voice from heaven said,
This is my son in whom I'm well pleased.
That was the activation
gun for his ministry.
It started with identity.
Arun: Beautiful.
Oh, that's awesome.
And I wanted to touch
on something you said.
So When I, when I was, like, thinking
about, um, talking about this on the
podcast, I was thinking, as Christians, do
we all just end up with the same purpose?
But then you said, um, purpose
is different for all of us and
what that really looks like.
Could you just talk a little
bit more about how that is?
Ps Adam: Yeah, I think that the purpose,
I mean, there is a grand purpose.
I mean, we're going to
advance the kingdom of God.
We're going to bring
redemption to humanity.
We're going to baptize, go into all the
world and baptize everybody in the name
of the father, son, the Holy spirit.
Okay.
So we've got the great commission.
So the way you work out that purpose,
uh, is indicative to the gifts and
the talents that God has put in you.
Okay.
So, so this is how good God is that
he has given each of us distinct
gifts Distinct talents that are
actually connected to his purpose.
He doesn't give any gifts separate that
aren't actually useful for his purpose.
Okay.
So that doesn't mean you can't use
his gifts for your purpose, but
they're actually intended to So as
good as your gifts are used for your
purpose, when you actually begin
to direct them for his purpose,
they are accelerated and magnified.
So when you see something, someone
doing something spectacular
for God, it's not that they're
necessarily more gifted than you.
They've just found a purpose.
of God's purpose for their
gifts, where you're trying to
use your gifts for your purpose.
I mean, you think of some of the,
uh, some of the greatest worship, uh,
sorry, not worship, greatest singers.
Okay.
Um, imagine if they were worship leaders.
Wow.
What they've taken is they've
taken a gift of singing and
they're using it to serve self.
Now, That's what Satan did.
He, he was meant to orchestrate
the worship of heaven and direct
it to God, but he used it for self.
That's where Lucifer became Satan.
Now, when, when we actually
realize that, man, this, this
wasn't about self promotion.
This was about, uh, glorifying God.
Then that's when it actually holds power.
You might, impress somebody with
your gift, but you will never set
anybody free unless it's actually
done for the purpose of God.
Ps Vance: Yeah.
And I think even like if you broaden the
aperture a little bit, um, the thing that
we were told, Pastor Adam, at least my mom
told me, I could be whoever I want to be.
Well, that's, I can do
whatever I wanna do.
That's a lie.
Well, and you preached a message
before that, you know, um, if you
said you wanted to be an NBA player,
you literally are not gonna be . I,
I'm literally not gonna get around.
And so it's kind of like a false
type of, uh, wisdom or direction.
Um, yeah, I think it's because
then doesn't tell the whole story.
Ps Adam: I think that's,
that's maybe that's one of
the things that is really, uh.
Maybe a good part to
put into your parenting.
Don't do stupid stuff.
Like don't say you can be anything you
want to be because you literally can't.
You literally can't.
Okay.
My daughters weren't born in America.
You cannot be the president.
Okay.
There, there are real life.
So what's better than saying you
can be anything you want to be?
Find out their gifts and their
passions and direct them.
Don't just give them a blank
canvas because you don't have the
creativity to put the work in as a
parent and help direct them in life.
Just saying you can be anything you want
to be is literally you getting, I'm going
to be lazy and just you come up with it.
If you let your kids come up with it,
they're actually going to fall short
of what you believe that they can be.
Okay, just think about yourself.
Yeah.
Have you ever had someone compliment you
and you're like, Uh, it feels awkward.
Because you live with your inadequacies,
you live with your fears, you live
with your dialogue in your mind that
is telling you you're less than.
But I get to live outside of your brain,
I get to live outside of your lived
experience, and I get to see you with
the purity of who God called you to be.
So I'm always going to call you higher
than you're going to call yourself higher.
That's what we do as a parent.
We're going to call our kids
to something productive.
Now, the purity that you have to have
as a parent is to direct them, not
to live vicariously through them.
Okay, so not to say, Hey, do what I want
to do, but discover their unique gifts
and start to, my daughter's, the favorite
thing to do is to sit down with me and
we, and they say, Dad, tell me about me.
They still do it.
They tell me, tell me what I'm
good at and they just lap it up.
Like it's like one of my dogs just
gone for a run drinking water.
It's like, they're just like lapping
it up and it's, I can see it real time
building their confidence, building their
identity, but like I saw this epic, um.
Uh, this, uh, I think it was a reel
and, uh, and, uh, my daughter sent
it to me, in fact, and it was this,
this girl, and she's on this, uh, reel
and she's talking about, you know,
her, her really like crazy sexual
life and how many partners she's had.
And then to flip this other
girl saying, girl, I get you.
I'd be that too if I didn't
have my annoying father just.
Reminding me of this
sentence my whole life.
I love you and i'm like it was such
a good burn because You thought you
were awesome But you just didn't have
a dad that told you love you missed
out on the formative years of a loving
father telling you You're awesome.
You're incredible.
You don't need to find
love in all these men.
You can find love in the father
god You can find love in one man.
You can actually be a whole person
and I feel like The purpose of god
this is actually true freedom, by the
way when I talked about You Freedom,
uh, wasted is when you actually
don't use your freedom for purpose.
When you're not free from your just
bound state and you actually just do a
desire is just to be free from anything.
Then you're actually
not free from anything.
You're bound to everything.
You, you literally to be free
is to actually live a purpose
that God calls you to live so
Arun: good
Ps Adam: I don't want
to start preaching but
Arun: oh, yeah No, actually i'm gonna
keep it going because this is actually
something that I think could unlock a
lot of people in your careers as well
Because you talked about purpose being
your identity and you have a gift that
allows you to you know, enact this But
sometimes what ends up happening is
like if you're so driven towards your
career your career starts to become Your
identity and I wonder how you guys guard
against that happening against You You
serving yourself when you're so, you
feel like, you know, it's for the good.
I'm driven.
I'm, this is my thing that
I'm going to build it.
But how do you guard against it?
Generosity.
Ps Vance: You have to have an outlet.
I actually learned from pastor
Juergen last night that in the
Middle East, there is the dead sea,
and then there's a sea of Galilee.
The difference is that nothing can
live in the dead sea, but in the
sea of Galilee, things flourish.
Uh, they both get, uh,
water from the Jordan.
So what's the difference between
the dead sea and the sea of Galilee?
The sea of Galilee has an outlet.
And so, and so you need an outlet
and it's called generosity.
If you're going to be able to maintain
your purpose, that's not self serving.
You got to know how to take what you
have, what you're building, and how
it's going to be oriented to giving.
Right.
And so I think we get conflated sometimes
on purpose, especially our generation.
We actually think we're talking about
purpose, but we're talking about status.
We think we're talking about purpose, but
we're actually talking about prominence.
So we crave prominence, and we crave
status, and we're actually short cutting
ourselves from the deeper purpose.
That's why we have to post everything
and self puff ourselves up about
everything and every thing has to
be known of what we're doing, right?
Um, and we have no
outlet for giving, right?
And so, uh, in, in the Bible in
John, when Jesus died, there's
a story of Joseph of Arimathea.
And what's so interesting about
this story, it's one of the craziest
stories of generosity because
the Bible says that Joseph of
Arimathea actually gave his tomb.
For Jesus to be buried in, right?
Advocated to get Jesus's
body and then gave his tomb.
Why that's so crazy is because in Jewish
custom, your tomb was your sign of status.
Your tomb, by the way, he gave
a non cash asset, but your tomb
was your sign of prominence.
And what he was showcasing is that in my
generosity, because I had an encounter
with Jesus and he changed my life.
I'm gonna lay down my status.
I'm gonna lay down my prominence
and not because it's gonna even do
anything Not because it was gonna
do anything from the ministry.
Jesus was dead.
But as a worshipful act I'm just
gonna dedicate my status and my
prominence at the feet of Jesus and
now he's written in the Bible And
and consequently he's now has a pace
of prominence in the New Testament
Ps Adam: Remind me the question.
Arun: Cause that was just really good.
Yeah, that was just like preaching.
I forgot.
I lost
Ps Adam: my way in the question.
Arun: Yeah, no, I think I was just
talking about how do you guard yourself
against, just let's like simplify it, your
career becoming your identity basically.
Ps Adam: I think, Or your
purpose becoming selfish.
Yeah.
Arun: Essentially.
Ps Adam: I think, um,
I mean, you don't want
it to be self serving.
You want to be God serving,
but it is going to outwork
in a function of some form
Ps Vance: for sure.
Ps Adam: So you're not going to escape,
uh, a connection between an actual career
or a direction, uh, and your purpose.
God is going to couple them together.
So, uh, you know, I don't think your,
your I mean, ultimately the way God's
gonna, that's, but that's in a vehicle
and that could change because your purpose
is in who you are in those settings.
Okay.
So it's who am I as a pastor?
Okay.
My purpose isn't a pastor.
It's who am I as a pastor?
Who am I as a father?
I've got many different roles.
My career is just one of them.
Right.
And so I think that as long as it's
serving God, even in business, um, then.
It really comes back to identity.
Do I see myself as an engineer?
Do I see myself as a, uh, you
know, whatever it is, or do I see
myself as a child of God at first?
And then this is the way I outwork that.
Arun: Yeah.
Um, before we finish, we got five minutes
left, but, um, I was watching an interview
with Tim Cook and, um, somebody asked
him, what do you think your legacy is,
or what do you want your legacy to be?
I'm just curious if you guys have ever
thought about that and what you guys think
your legacy is or wouldn't want it to be.
Ps Adam: Oh yeah, I mean,
I've thought about it a lot.
I want, I want, uh, so, so I would say
at the top of my tombstone would be,
um, awesome husband and killer dad.
That would be so cool.
Anything after that's just a bonus.
Ps Vance: I think a previous version of
me would have said something different
and it would have been super aligned
to business, but I think my answer
is a lot closer to pastor Adams now.
Understanding the mirage
of what business can be.
You know what I mean?
It's just a tool, right?
It's just a means to be able to
acquire hopefully wealth to be able
to Be blessed to be a blessing, to
have an outlet to grow the kingdom.
And so, at the end of the day,
the best legacy is your family.
And that's actually God's original
people, the Jewish people, that's
how they think about things.
They actually don't create
visions for one generation.
They have multi generational visions.
Exactly.
Right?
They create visions,
and this is Vive Church.
Vive Church has adopted that model.
That we're not going to be
able to accomplish the vision
letter in our lifetime.
It is inherently, we're going to be
able to do a lot, but it's inherently
structured to where our kids are
going to have to rise up and take the
baton into the future generations.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
I mean, I think when you realize that,
uh, whether it's, uh, if you feel
like you're in full time ministry or
you're in business, you still have
a ministry, which is your family.
You're, you're, I'm, I'm really
fundamental in this, that, uh, your
purpose on earth is to procreate.
Yeah.
Your purpose is not to be
single your whole life.
Okay.
Your purpose is to get
married and have children.
That is how, that is like
the primary mandate from God.
Go forth and multiply.
Okay.
So then have three kids
at least, by the way.
Um, just, just letting you know, cause
right now you're replacing yourself.
You're not multiplying.
Anyway, we won't go
down that tangent, but.
Um, just do your best
effort in other words.
Okay.
But, but really the, the, otherwise
you're, you're still living for self.
Okay.
You might be living for God, but
you're actually not achieving
the purpose to populate the
earth and, uh, breed more of you.
Now, now what that becomes really
significant is actually when you are
passing on that mandate to your family,
your foot, that's your first ministry.
It's actually society.
if you can actually facilitate
a family really well.
And what would be the, what would, it
doesn't mean you can't do excellent
things outside of that, like build
businesses and have a whole bunch of
fun, have some cool hobbies, shoot guns.
Um, or whatever it is that you like to do.
Um, but to have all that stuff
and have a busted, broken family,
none of that would have value.
But if you have a whole family and
they, they are following Jesus and,
uh, you've, you've, you've, uh, built
that well, everything else is awesome.
So you can have everything
or you can have nothing.
Ps Vance: So good.
So good.
I, I heard once that if you want to
get close to God, then stay single.
If you want to learn how to be like
Jesus and lay down your life and be
crucified, get married and have kids.
Ps Adam: You know what's funny?
I, I, you know, with this, this
week we're at, uh, Amen Experience
and, um, we have got, uh, some in,
I'm just looking around the church.
We've got some incredible single folk.
Hey.
And I'm wondering.
Are they aware that this is the perfect
week to, to end that perfect season?
Do you know what I mean?
Like, to end that season and start
a new season, like, I don't know
if the single folk need help.
Um, but I keep running into single folk
and I'm saying, Hey, have you met anybody?
And they're like, nah.
I'm like, hang on, I just met 14 of you.
And, um, why aren't
you meeting each other?
So, um, if anyone's single
here, just, just give me a wave.
Like, check this out.
This is, this is
Ps Vance: so good.
Ps Adam: Has to be at least half.
No, that's
Ps Vance: half.
Half.
That's half.
And they're like kingdom minded,
entrepreneurial, motivated.
Can I try something else?
Can
Ps Adam: a single folk
just stand up for a second?
Oh, wow.
Just stand up for a sec.
Hey,
Ps Vance: some people are bold.
All,
Ps Adam: hey, some people are bold.
All right.
This is why you have to come.
Now.
I need you to do something.
Look around now.
I need you while you're standing.
Look around.
I need you to assess.
Arun: Yeah.
Ps Adam: Okay.
Because yeah, yeah, yeah.
You are not gonna get a better
potential pool of business-minded.
True.
That's true.
Faith Phil.
Oh my God.
It's already curated.
People of God who you could
potentially just get a coffee with.
Now, check this out.
If nothing else, you get someone
to just hear your business plan
. But it could be a family plan.
Should you start with, I'm just
saying, should you start with
business or Yeah, start light.
Yeah, start light.
Start light.
Start light.
Start with crypto.
Start with the pitch.
Next year
Ps Vance: we'll have
Ps Adam: an app.
Ps Vance: Next
Ps Adam: year we'll have an
Ps Vance: app.
Finally, the Vibe Hive
Ps Adam: app.
Ps Vance: Find your honey.
Find your Find your honey.
Find your honey pot.
We'll make a filter where
you can filter for tithers.
Oh, . Because you wanna be.
Be sure that they honor top vision.
Arun: Give us,
Ps Vance: oh man, that is
a premium, premium teacher.
If they're a king builder.
Oh my gold elite.
Gold elite status.
Oh man.
And then you get a dinner with chef mj.
Oh my gosh.
This is going
Arun: levels.
This is, its too much curated dinner.
But one connection away from your
breakthrough is Jephthah Vaughn.
You're one connection
Ps Vance: away from your marriage.
Just live.
Yeah, yeah,
Arun: yeah.
Ps Adam: But I would, uh, I would
definitely love, uh, I'd just really
love to see some, uh, some bold single
people meet some good single people.
So good.
And, uh, and fulfill
your God given purpose.
Arun: And next year we'll have the
first live marriage at the Hype House.
I'm just throwing it out there.
Ps Vance: And we're talking about a range.
Let's go!
Let's go!
I think this is a great
Arun: place to end it.
I was supposed to end it 15 seconds ago.
But thank you guys for coming out.
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Um, and cheers guys.
Great episode.
Cheers.
Love you, Arun.
Love you, man.