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Stacey Flaster and Dori Goldman are two ladies obsessed with cults and true crime. Join them as they take us into the depths of some of the most notorious cults, crimes, and killers that the world has ever known. They consume content and ask deep dark questions that only a certified expert can answer... enter Dr. John Mayer. Dr. John is an internationally known Forensic Psychologist and expert on violent behavior and crime prevention, with 35 years of experience consulting to law enforcement and testifying in hundreds of court cases as an expert witness. He is the "Real Deal" and will help Stacey and Dori get to the bottom of of their curious criminal minds.
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Stacey
Candy.
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Speaker 1
A podcast about cults, crimes and killers.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Dori / Stacey
Today we're talking about Surviving Ohio State,
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Dori / Stacey
the documentary that chronicles the abuse committed by Doctor Richard Strauss and the decades of silence and inaction from Ohio State University. This is one of the largest sexual abuse scandals in U.S. history. Over 300 male athletes Revictimized. The documentary doesn't sensationalize it. It lets the survivors speak and what they say is devastating.
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Dori / Stacey
What struck me the most was the consistency of their stories across sports, across years. These men were all saying the same thing, that they were violated, that they tried to speak up and that they were ignored. The university failed them. Coaches failed them. Administrators failed them. There were clear warnings. There were patterns, and no one acted to stop it.
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Dori / Stacey
There's also the emotional toll. So many of these men talked about how they carried this for decades in silence. The shame, the confusion, the isolation. This isn't just about what happened in an exam room. It's about what it did to their lives long after.
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Dori / Stacey
And it's important to acknowledge that this is a story about male survivors. That's something we don't talk about enough. There's stigma. There's fear. And in many cases like this one, there's a cultural expectation to just move on or tough it out.
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Dori / Stacey
The film also names people in positions of power who knew or should have known, including former coaches.
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Dori / Stacey
It raises real questions about institutional responsibility and accountability.
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Dori / Stacey
This isn't just a story about one predator. It's a story about systems that protect power, reputation, and image over people, over truth. For anyone listening, this documentary is not easy to watch, but it's necessary. It's a clear reminder of what happens when people look the other way, and of how long it takes for survivors to be heard, and how brave it is to speak to name what happened.
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Dori / Stacey
These men didn't owe us their stories, but they told them, and that matters.
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Dori / Stacey
If you're a survivor or you're supporting someone who is, we'll have some resources linked in the show notes. You are not alone.
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Dori / Stacey
We see you. We believe you. And we'll keep paying attention.
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Speaker 1
Outside my window. It's only raining.
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Speaker 1
When the wind blows in. I feel pain.
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Unknown
And I don't need no doctors.
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Speaker 1
Maybe I'm not sick. My body's been lined up. I've broken up cells in every.
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Speaker 1
May.
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Dori / Stacey
first of all, I love all these guys. They're all just fantastic men.
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Dori / Stacey
And
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Dori / Stacey
you know, sending my kid to college, in a couple weeks.
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Dori / Stacey
You send your kid to college, and especially if they're an athlete. My son is not an athlete, but especially if they're an athlete, you send them there
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Dori / Stacey
and you're like, they're going to be taken care of like you don't in your mind think, oh, is he going to be abused or assaulted or you know, you know, you don't think about that.
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Dori / Stacey
You trust doctors. You trust who's in the exam room.
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Unknown
Who?
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Speaker 2
he's the one we wanted to. If we needed medication for something. He's the one that we went to if we had an injury. He's the one that we went to. And each and every time it was a full body check that resulted in a genital check without fail.
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Speaker 2
And the man
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Unknown
We.
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Dori / Stacey
And these kids were these were children who didn't know what was happening to them was wrong. And when they felt uncomfortable and they brought it up to Russ, the the main coach was Russ and the assistant coach, Jim Jordan, who was in Congress, Jim Jordan, who was in Congress.
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Dori / Stacey
And you know, if you if you watch this documentary, you'll be infuriated when you see that at first they bring Russ in and the men finally get Ahold of him and he supports them. He says he's going to write a letter to the university supporting them, and then Jim Jordan gets a hold of him. Doesn't want, you know, he lies.
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Dori / Stacey
And Jim knew. I mean, you can, you can. I've listened. I've watched it twice. He knew. There's no everyone knew as these men. He made the comment to the referee guy. Oh, that's just Strauss. When Joe just struck doctor when a doctor was masturbating and in the shower,
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Speaker 1
Doctor Strauss walks in the shower. He could have went anywhere, but he stood right beside me.
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Speaker 1
The shower. I'm here. He's here. Okay. You know, and the next thing I know, I look over and I realize he's not washing himself.
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Speaker 1
He's masturbating. He's beside me masturbating. And I'm thinking, what the hell are you doing? He goes, oh, Fred, I'm just washing. Well, that's kind of a weird ass way to do it, you know? And I remember I kind of turned a little bit. And next thing I know, I'm feeling his hand on my butt and, Have.
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Speaker 1
I got dressed, didn't say a word to him as I'm walking out the very end of that walkway. Russell Wilson and Jim Jordan were both standing there, and I looked at both them, my son, his trousers and they're masturbating beside me in the shower.
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Speaker 1
And both of them looked at me. Jim Jordan looked at me straight in my face and said, It's Strauss. You know what he does? And Russ agreed.
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Dori / Stacey
and he's watching all in their locker rooms of all these Ohio State sports, men's sport, he has a locker in every single one of their locker rooms.
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Speaker 1
And what you'll come to learn is that this isn't just happening with the wrestlers. The male gymnasts, their facility was in Larkins Hall, which is where our, wrestling room was. He had a locker in their locker room. We had a locker and a fencing. We only had a locker and a football room. I heard he had a locker somewhere where the swim team was 15, 16 sports.
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Speaker 1
I mean, that's insane. He's everywhere.
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Dori / Stacey
this guy was a it was a predator, and he was a sociopath, and I think a psychopath.
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Dori / Stacey
And he was a demon. You know, these guys were talking. He was leaning in. They could feel his breasts on their genitals. They could. They could see the top of his head. They were so confused. The guy comes in with a flip problem, and he's. The guy's examining his penis. I mean, yeah, there was there was always. There was always a full body exam.
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Unknown
Who?
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Speaker 3
wrestling mat because they're contagious. He checked under our arms, checked our vitals.
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Speaker 2
And then he tells me to turn the lights off.
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Speaker 3
And he got down on a stool and tapped the side of your legs. I drop them.
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Speaker 2
And it's dark. Can't even see anything, you know. And I'm looking over at him and he's got a light pen.
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Speaker 4
And I'm standing there, you know, looking down on a man who has a flashlight in his mouth and my drawing level, and I'm seeing the top of his head. It's just really weird.
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Speaker 3
And from that point, he would grab you, grab your penis, and he's moving it around, moving it around. I was speechless.
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Speaker 2
The entire time you're just sitting there trying to talk yourself out of getting an erection. I'm not going to lie. Like that is the one thing you're just like I am like. Now you're questioning your sexuality or you're like, what is that? And he just would catch you right before you say. And he said, I'm just being thorough.
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Dori / Stacey
So that would be like, for us ladies, go into the gynecologist every single week of our lives, like, yeah, having an internal you walk in and you say like, oh, you know why I stubbed my toe during the match? And Doctor Strauss would be like, okay, take off all your clothes. And then he would touch their dick and balls with his hands.
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Dori / Stacey
Without gloves, no gloves, stopped toe or an elbow that they knocked around. This guy was a seer. And there was also rape right in this. As well. Not necessarily from what we heard from the documentary, like during the exams. But there was there were a couple men that said that they had gone to his home and that Doctor Strauss had raped, raped them.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Dori / Stacey
the first guy that talked to him, of course, I don't have the name written Richie. Really? Richie. Rich, Richie. So Richie talks about, you know, wanting to model, and he's taking pictures, and, you know, the guy's like, I, I just believed in the system.
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Dori / Stacey
And then he says that later on, they're talking to him about, like, do you want money? And he says, yeah, I need that. There's something has to hurt. There has been no consequence that has hurt OSU enough, and they deserve something because what are they going to get? What are they going to get an apology.
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Speaker 2
I do? And I'll tell you why. You punish somebody, you give them a $5 fine and say, don't do it again. They're going to come back. That's $5. That's fine. Here, here's $5 and they're going to do it again. You hit them where it counts.
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Speaker 2
That's the money that they have to shell out because they did not protect the athletes they were supposed to protect when they brought in here to compete for them. So yes, I want them to pay out.
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Dori / Stacey
Well from these you know sorry.
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Dori / Stacey
Go ahead. No, no. And one I just get so frustrated that I do I feel like and this and this but you should the the other one and I'll mention and then I'm going to stop talking is the Canadian hockey player I felt for him I just I wanted to hug him and tell him I'm so sorry, even though there's nothing I could have done but that guy, you know, when he went in for this, you know, he was a regular student.
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Dori / Stacey
He'd already gotten he got kicked off the hockey team. And they told me, you know, and then he told everybody it wasn't good enough. And then he had, like, a cold, and he went to the doctor. Strauss. Doctor Strauss gives him a medicine that he says it's going to take away from it, you know, take away the pain.
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Dori / Stacey
And then, you know, all of a sudden, doctor Strauss is driving him home. And then he said, and then he raped me. And then they had like a, oh, maybe a minute long, you know, camera. Hold on his face.
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Speaker 1
I woke up in the morning and,
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Speaker 1
I was trying to process it. You know, like what? What?
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Speaker 1
Trying to remember the night. Like how did. How did we get here? How did we get. How do we get to this? And,
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Speaker 1
Yeah, I was in. I was in fucking shock. I was in, I was, I was, I was. And who are you going to tell? Like, who? Who am I going to tell?
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Dori / Stacey
It's just it's devastating. It's devastating. Yeah. These are men that are athletes that were competing to make their school better.
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Dori / Stacey
Yeah, I think so. Say, you know, I think that they were, you know, they were definitely afraid to say anything because they would lose their scholarships. I think that was something. So it is like, you know, power being held over their heads. You know, what would be their voice against Doctor Strauss? The voice who has been at the university for many, many years.
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Dori / Stacey
He was on Nightline talking about, oh, it's you like he was a quote unquote respected doctor
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Speaker 1
You know, after people hear these stories, there's a lot of guys that talk to us about, oh, I would have beat him up or I would have done this.
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Speaker 2
I would've done that. But what do you mean, he touched you? Why don't you just whip his ass?
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Speaker 1
The way Strauss did it. This man never had a nurse or another trainer in that office when we were in there. One on one. Never. So it was always his word against your word? Yeah. I could have smacked him upside the head. And then what would have happened?
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Speaker 2
Imagine I'm walking out, and then this old white man is knocked out in there, and this guy has been mind. You've been around this university since 1979. So what am I going to do? What they're going to do? They're going to kick me out of school.
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Speaker 1
He'd have his job and he'd still be doing what he's doing. And I'd be out of my scholarship. We had so much to lose.
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Speaker 3
I wasn't rich, I wasn't blessed with a ton of money. So the scholarship was critical. We were powerless.
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Dori / Stacey
Okay, so with that said, you know, like, sometimes we don't let a good doctor into the conversation until later. I really feel we need to bring our fantastic doctor. What a great segue, John Mayer, into the conversation, because he really will be able to talk about, like, the psychological, aspects of the, the, the kids, because they were kids.
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Dori / Stacey
They were boys at the time that this happened. But also about, how Doctor Strauss could do this for so many years. And we have to say to this all came about because of the Larry Nassar case with the female gymnasts. So, you know, believe women, but also believe men.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Dori / Stacey
Hello, doctor. John. Mayor John John is a man rich man.
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Dori / Stacey
Thank you again. The green goodness.
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Dr. John
Green room door is opening and I'm coming in.
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Dori / Stacey
And you know, Dory. Dory and I could never handle this as women alone. We need a man, you know, don't you think?
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Dr. John
You know what's interesting? Right off the bat? As you say that, Stacy, is that, I was sitting here listening to you and going, this is really a case of, reverse sexism and in a way, and know we talk about reverse racism, but as a man, you're exactly right. We don't hear about, you know, the sexual abuse of men this much.
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Dr. John
And here this thing explodes, I mean, explodes, the report from Ohio State, said, estimated that there could have been as many as 2800 victims over the years, 2800 victims of this guy's abuse. And you talked about, the rape. And there was a few, people with the estimated 170 men raped. This is incredible. What the.
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Dr. John
This is all about. And, you know, I one of the other things that struck me right off the bat and watching this is I. I'm big on when I'm called into a case, or even if I see something in the media on a on a criminal case, I want to see a picture. I want to see what that perpetrator, that criminal looks like.
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Dr. John
And if I look at this guy's picture and for our audience, if you haven't seen this documentary, just to kind of embellish what we're talking about, even skip through it a little bit and see some of the pictures of not only the, perpetrator, Doctor Strauss, but these men that Stacy was talking about just, And then I have to underline incredible men, but better Doctor Strauss, I look at him, it's getting inappropriate.
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Dr. John
Hairstyle. Almost looks like, Opie Taylor, kind of hairstyle. A very kind of, what should I say? Corn. What is it? Corn? Warren said corn fed and a look. Or corn. Something kind of look about them, long creepy fingers, you know, in long, creepy, soft fingers and, of course, that would. So he was using to fondle all these men, and one even victim even said, you know, they were, like, soft, sweaty fingers on my genitals.
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Dr. John
You know, I was like, this is so creepy. He just looks like a creepy guy. And he's in a in a system. That's all about macho wisdom. And you see these coaches and you even see the administrators, and these are all men's men. And, you know, how could this creepy little, you know, skeleton kind of guy be be doing this, and these athletes.
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Dr. John
But you made some great points about how these young men would fall right into it. And you both don't know this, so I'm going to reveal something to you. Here and now under episode number nine, is that I grew up in this system. I was, very successful and recruited male athlete. And I've experienced some of this.
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Dr. John
Not not the abuse, per se, but I have a couple good stories about that. But this whole system of just going along with the flow and, not complaining,
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Speaker 1
It almost felt like it was by design, and that made this all the more troubling.
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Speaker 1
You know, we've always been proudly a Buckeye family. When I dropped my son off at a dorm at the Ohio State University when he was 18 years old, my first one to leave the nest. I cried after I left the dorm. But I thought, well, at least he's in good hands. He's at the Ohio State University. All of these men were dropped off at Ohio State.
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Speaker 1
I want to know why this happened to them. How a sexual predator could have been allowed to be on campus for 20 years. How did it happen?
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Dr. John
but another aspect of this that you didn't bring up. And I want to bring up, look at how he chose these victims. They made a point in the documentary that, you know, there was a lot of athletes that didn't get abused, but he was careful to choose who kids that were very, very successful.
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Dr. John
And I'll get to that in a second. How that buffers you from a lot of things. And they were usually from rural backgrounds, simple backgrounds. So they didn't have the life experience, let's say like an urban athlete would have. Who is more, pardon the expression, exposed to these kinds of, you know, issues as they grow up in a, in a more, urban, atmosphere.
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Dr. John
So the choice of victims was very interesting. And so a lot of our audience going to ask, why did these kids fall for this? Because as an athlete, especially when you're a good athlete. And again, I've experienced some of this in my own life. You're really buffered from a lot of, life and reality. You're so concentrated on your, your sport and being good at your sport and excelling.
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Dr. John
You're not partying like the other kids. You're not drinking necessarily. You're not participating in sex, cheese, or a lot of the things that, adolescent males, get involved in. You're concentrating on your sport. So you don't realize the in these things. I, for example, is growing up as an athlete, I never drank, I didn't hang around people that drank.
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Dr. John
I had no interest in drinking. So all that teenage son, let's get a six pack of beer for the weekend. Kind of thing. Incredibly incredulous to me.
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Dori / Stacey
After John, I don't. Well, and correct me if I'm wrong, right? Even in an urban setting, like for people who grew up in a more urban setting, aren't going to be necessarily like around
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Dori / Stacey
people, you know, like masturbating in front of them and manipulating them. And, you know, I think that a lot of this is that the men or the boys questioned their their own sexuality as well.
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Dori / Stacey
And that's why a lot of them didn't speak up. And I understand you're talking about, like, who he kind of targeted and who he didn't target. But I, I said before, I think a lot of it also was about those that like you had said to that maybe don't you know, we talked about the like don't have the money like they just did have they relied on scholarships.
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Dori / Stacey
So he kind of went after those that were in it like almost a powerless type of situation. Yes. They were fantastic wrestlers or fantastic fencers or, you know, whatnot. But they he still like he did it like you said, there were like thousands of people that he possibly did this to.
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Dr. John
You're exactly right. It's this what we don't realize is the sheltering of these young men. And again, whether urban or rural environment. And like I was saying in my story, I grew up in the inner city of Chicago, and yeah, I didn't I was sheltered from a lot of things because I was an athlete.
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Unknown
Oh. They.
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Dori / Stacey
So I wanted to comment on two of the things you've said. The first thing is, is that you were kind of talking about the character of, Doctor Strauss and also Larry Nassar. We were kind of doing a parallel.
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Dori / Stacey
They're very similar in their demeanor. There's a shyness and probably a humble quality. And I don't know, I've never heard I've heard Larry Nassar talk.
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Dori / Stacey
I don't think I've ever heard Richard Strauss talk. But there's this sort of nerdy, you know, like, boy, next door, you know, I'm very I'm just very like, you know, down, down to earth, like this gray hair, this sweet face. And it's unassuming. It's not like a giant guy, you know what I mean? And so that's scary.
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Dr. John
Yeah. And let me say about that, this is going to sound kind of, macho guy ish. But, you know, you look upon those kind of guys, and why do they do these kinds of things? Well, maybe they're not getting it in the traditional ways that a guy get to you, date somebody, you, you know, you maybe serial date and maybe you have 2 or 3 girlfriends on the side, etc. and you're you're getting your needs met.
00:26:21:03 - 00:26:27:07
Dr. John
These guys are inept at getting their needs met in a conventional way.
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Dori / Stacey
Right. And that's that that makes sense. I mean, you know, you think, why didn't he just get a boyfriend and then just get 50 boyfriends, you know, that were of consenting age? But that's that's the that's the disorder. That's the.
00:26:39:15 - 00:26:41:24
Dr. John
That's that's the deficit right there. You know, they.
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Dori / Stacey
That's the social.
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Dr. John
Skills in order to do that, to, to, to do the normal things of seducing someone and dating someone. And there's nothing wrong with that word, by the way, seducing someone, you know, that's.
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Dori / Stacey
What we do, right? Because it's normal. I mean, you know, he obviously that that is the that's the problem is that he could only do it in that capacity in that way. That's how he got off. But the thing that sucks the most about the whole thing is the statute of limitations idea, where these guys over and over and over, we're talking to whoever they could to Russ, that's their coach, that's their dad, basically the guy I mean, I am, I would be so embarrassed and I would actually disappear from society and change my name if I was one of those people that denied it and then still is denying it, that is, that's almost
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Dori / Stacey
as bad as Doctor Strauss. So the statute of limitations, I don't know.
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Dr. John
So many of these heroic victims that were on, you know, talked about that, you know, is that how could these people live with that
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Speaker 2
in public. OSU expresses contrition.
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Speaker 4
We acknowledge the university's
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Speaker 4
failures during Strauss's time at Ohio State.
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Speaker 2
But this was manipulation, lying, and deceit behind the scenes. They begin fighting us tooth and nail.
00:28:09:04 - 00:28:24:07
Speaker 2
Ohio State, while professing to do the right thing, actually moves to dismiss the entire case on statute of limitations grounds. Under Ohio law, you have two years to bring a lawsuit. It happened more than two years ago. Therefore, you're out of luck.
00:28:24:07 - 00:28:35:14
Speaker 2
And that's OSU's defense. Basically, we were so successful in hiding Doctor Strauss's abuse that it's too late for you now to sue us.
00:28:36:18 - 00:28:51:09
Dr. John
in this a coach? And let's give him his last name. So people identify this Russ helix and you know, who is this. You know, macho I'm like your surrogate father coach, I'll take care of you, etc..
00:28:51:11 - 00:29:13:00
Dr. John
And eventually he turns his back on all these young men. You're right. How can this individual just live with the fact that all these players are being abused? And and again, they weren't second string, third string players. These were superstar players. These were incredible champions.
00:29:13:02 - 00:29:44:11
Dori / Stacey
Yeah. I think we also have to say too, that this had been going on for many, many, many years. And the one to really bring it to everybody's attention was a woman that was the female fencing coach who brought it up. So there is a male toxicity issue with covering up this abuse against boys, against men, a doctor.
00:29:44:11 - 00:30:17:23
Dori / Stacey
What doctor? John, what do you kind of think about that? That a woman was the one who stepped up to talk about it. And all the men Russ had Jim Jordan, who was the assistant coach as well, we think knew about all of this. They made comments about Doctor Strauss and oh, that's him, that's him. He's a masturbator in the shower with a why do you think it was the, that none of the men stepped up?
00:30:17:23 - 00:30:20:18
Dori / Stacey
None of the men coaches stepped up to talk about this.
00:30:20:18 - 00:30:45:07
Dr. John
Well, like so many things in life, this is molded, determined, you know, but let me throw out a couple of things and then also tell you a little vignette of my own personal experience as an athlete, which pertains. But getting back to the specific answer is that, well, we have a socialization as men that you don't rock the boat.
00:30:45:07 - 00:31:10:04
Dr. John
You know, you do what you're supposed to do. You're soldiers, you're tough. You know, you just put up with things. You have the the whole reputation of Ohio State University sports. We don't want to disrupt this. The successful program and take away from all the success we have it. This is Ohio State University, you know that. I think it's set in the community.
00:31:10:05 - 00:31:37:14
Dr. John
They have the largest sports budget of any college in the country. That means the world, incredible amounts of money and power that, you don't want to rock that boat. Let me tell you my little vignette. It'll take just a couple seconds. I was a very successful high school athlete. My football coach was also our counselor at school, which was so inappropriate.
00:31:37:16 - 00:32:04:17
Dr. John
No training to be a counselor, etc. but they put him there so that he wouldn't have to teach classes, etc., and he could watch football films all day. So I'm, a recruited athlete, but I also was realistic as a junior in high school and said, you know, if I don't get an athletic scholarship, which I ended up getting, I better check out some colleges and some schools as to where I want to go and apply.
00:32:04:19 - 00:32:30:15
Dr. John
I knock on his door. This is our college counselor. We had one counselor for, high school senior class of the like. I think it was about 350 kids. Long story short, I knock on his door. He's sitting there watching football films with a bottle of Jack Daniels in the middle of the day. You know, this is not after school, which doesn't even make it right.
00:32:30:17 - 00:32:59:19
Dr. John
But and I said, hey, coach, you know, where are the college catalogs? And he was incredulous. I think they're on a shelf somewhere over there, you know, and I had to fend for myself, etc. but I did go to, a, authority I figure was the dean or somebody. And I said, do you know coach X? He's long past dead, but I still won't mention his name is drinking Jack Daniels and watching football soaps in the day.
00:32:59:21 - 00:33:11:21
Dr. John
And again, you get that same response. Oh yeah, that's coach whatever. You know, it's you know, it's well he's here to coach football. And we were successful football team. So you don't rock the boat.
00:33:11:23 - 00:33:19:03
Dori / Stacey
That's exactly right. Question. Hey John. What was your, what you could you, I know you played football. What position did you play?
00:33:19:04 - 00:33:20:16
Dr. John
I was a tight end.
00:33:20:18 - 00:33:26:20
Dori / Stacey
Of course you were. Wow. Oh, for this segment. Well, you were tied six three.
00:33:26:20 - 00:33:28:17
Dr. John
And at the time, I was, you know, like 200.
00:33:28:17 - 00:33:30:20
Dori / Stacey
Did you play in college?
00:33:30:22 - 00:33:34:23
Dr. John
I, I gave a scholarship, but I never played one single down
00:33:34:22 - 00:33:40:05
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:33:40:05 - 00:33:56:20
Dori / Stacey
Can I ask a couple questions? First of all, I want to point out the woman that the whistleblower woman fencing coach was the first female to coach any NCAA, a sport I think in at that time, I think so don't quote me on that. I think I just read that her name is Charlotte.
00:33:57:00 - 00:34:21:04
Dori / Stacey
Charlotte Ramon Remick, Romanian, Romanian, Romanian. Okay. So I just wanted to say that, I'm going to say two things. So we were talking I want to get to the statute of limitations situation, which is a huge problem in our justice system. But the fact that doctor, doctor, quote unquote Strauss I know he was a doctor and I know he was he was probably intelligent.
00:34:21:06 - 00:34:41:02
Dori / Stacey
Died in 2005. And it was is is here. So here's my main question. He died. He killed himself. But not but. And what was not satisfying for these athletes is that there was no like, regret. There was no, you know, reconciliation of what he had done. It was more about his problem, you know, so that was upsetting.
00:34:41:02 - 00:35:06:22
Dori / Stacey
But how do you, as a person who's been abused like this, who's been ignored, who feels like they're banging their head against a wall, that they have to prove it? There was no proof. How do you reconcile this kind of situation that literally ruins your life? Their lives were they were athletes. It could have been pro. They oh, he ruined children and for generations.
00:35:06:21 - 00:35:38:22
Dr. John
You said the key word, Stacy, is reconcile. You don't reconcile it. You live the rest of your life in pain with this. And that's what came through with the documentary. These men, tough men. By the time they got to a higher state, these kids accomplish things that are extremely difficult and shows their emotional and physical strength. And these men were ruined for the rest of their lives.
00:35:41:04 - 00:36:02:20
Speaker 1
You run drills and practice, and you guys having trouble remembering what the next thing was. I mean, I was a math. I was focused, I mean, I was a machine coming here. And then the wheels came off. There's another flight out, Nova. Nova Scotia. You've got no one to talk to because you don't know that you're the only one.
00:36:02:20 - 00:36:17:10
Speaker 1
This is happening to. And it just continued to spiral. I was never the same person.
00:36:17:13 - 00:36:27:00
Speaker 1
slept in. You don't sleep and you don't miss practice. And I remember getting there and going like, oh my God, I'm in so much trouble.
00:36:27:02 - 00:36:51:01
Speaker 1
I went to the coaches office and said, look, I'm know I'm really sorry. You know, he said, you're done. To, What do you mean, I'm done? He goes, you're nothing but a fucking cancer to this hockey team. And my whole body just kind of just kind of the.
00:36:51:03 - 00:37:09:00
Speaker 1
He just ended my dream. My whole world has just exploded. I didn't know what to say to him. And I got up, and, I left the rink, and I never went back.
00:37:09:02 - 00:37:30:02
Dr. John
There's no bond of money. The one athlete said, yeah, I want some money because you know why? I want them to pay? I want them to hurt. But do you think that guy is going to be caught, cured, or it's going to give him some, as you said, you know, restitution about this. He lives with the rest of his life.
00:37:30:04 - 00:37:44:18
Dr. John
And that's what's sad is we've talked about this in some other episodes where people who do this don't realize they're basically emotionally committing murder to these people. And,
00:37:44:20 - 00:38:29:21
Dori / Stacey
What do we think about documentaries that talk about this like years later? You know, like with, like, the Menendez brothers, this incident, and then years later, they do a documentary and the justice system seems to be more apt to listen to these cases. Do we think, because I think they said that the ruling that Ohio State offered like 200 and something thousand per person who claimed that Doctor Strauss had abused them, which was the lowest amount of any university settling their cases.
00:38:29:23 - 00:38:49:15
Dori / Stacey
Do you think now, because this is a very recent documentary, do we think that possibly Ohio State will change anything or that this could go higher in the court systems? I'm just asking, like rhetorically, like, what do we kind of think about that?
00:38:49:15 - 00:39:19:02
Dr. John
I think that's, of course, a legal question. And I'm going to speculate here that I think, there will be probably a higher settlement amount offered, by Ohio State because the athletes who were involved in that group litigation refused the $250,000 a piece, settlement that they offered, which I think was something like $40 million or something.
00:39:19:02 - 00:39:47:23
Dr. John
That, again, shows you the extent of how much, how many people were abused. But anyway, I and again, here's what I'm speculating. I think I've heard again, working on criminal cases, but not from the legal perspective. There has been some movement, and maybe it's not so much the law anymore about statute of limitations on sexual rape and sexual crimes.
00:39:47:23 - 00:40:02:04
Dr. John
I think that has been lifted or extended. So I don't think it's as, tight as it used to be. But I may be wrong, and that would be something to to ask the attorney about.
00:40:02:06 - 00:40:13:19
Dori / Stacey
Well, isn't it, you know, isn't it kind of a great excuse for the justice system to say, well, it's too late. We don't want to deal with that, you know? I mean, that's what it feels like.
00:40:14:00 - 00:40:44:08
Dr. John
Well, don't don't forget, that's what this is very important point for our audience. The attorney that has been helping the athletes mentioned that he said that defense of the statute of limitations is to Coward's defense. That's you don't have anything else to go on. So you pull that out of your butt, you know, as, the last ditch effort, it almost he made it sound like these people are so culpable because they're using this defense.
00:40:44:08 - 00:40:46:12
Dr. John
So you're exactly right, Stacey.
00:40:46:11 - 00:40:51:14
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:40:51:14 - 00:41:15:04
Dori / Stacey
So think about the Larry Nassar thing, how when that happened and how it took them, watching these women go up and give their stories, to, you know, in the courtroom the stories of what happened to them, the bravery and it took think about when those guys were sitting in that room with, staff people on staff at OSU, and he just said, oh, h.
00:41:15:05 - 00:41:35:24
Dori / Stacey
And nobody said, I. Oh, yeah, there's like a disconnect. You know what the school could have done. They could have just immediately, you know, got him out and then they would have and then it would have been swift. We found one of our guys was was abusing kids. We got rid of him. We got a new guy. Why isn't that better than what happened?
00:41:36:01 - 00:41:37:02
Dr. John
Oh, exactly right.
00:41:37:02 - 00:41:38:11
Dori / Stacey
In retrospect, y.
00:41:38:15 - 00:42:03:08
Dr. John
That's exactly what the school should have done. I mean, I want to go back and there's were the Jim Jordan culpability comes in. And I want to emphasize that I thought it was very poignant that this referee, he was a referee. Referees are like mini gods to athletes and coaches. They control the game. They control the rules.
00:42:03:10 - 00:42:13:08
Dr. John
So this is another incredulous, aspect of this. Doctor Strauss hit the I don't want to say the ball and the courage.
00:42:13:13 - 00:42:17:16
Dori / Stacey
And say the balls, John the balls.
00:42:17:18 - 00:42:32:18
Dr. John
He the referee after the game. After the matches were over, it goes into which referees do they? They use the school showers and they refresh themselves. Good. Get dressed and go. This referee is in the shower. Who comes.
00:42:32:18 - 00:42:34:07
Dori / Stacey
Strolling in our.
00:42:34:07 - 00:42:54:17
Dr. John
Good old Doctor Strauss and touches the referee makes a move on the referee, not just verbally but physically touches him and the referee just, you know, did what you know. We would hope the students would have done. Would you say get out of here. You know, don't don't do that.
00:42:54:22 - 00:42:58:24
Dori / Stacey
And he also kept silent. He didn't tell anybody about the worry.
00:42:58:24 - 00:43:01:19
Dr. John
He didn't. He went up. He was oh.
00:43:01:19 - 00:43:08:24
Dori / Stacey
He told Christ. That's the he told the coach Jim Jordan. And they said that. Yeah. Jim Jordan on.
00:43:08:24 - 00:43:11:00
Dr. John
The way out of the the.
00:43:11:00 - 00:43:12:23
Dori / Stacey
University locker room.
00:43:13:00 - 00:43:16:04
Dr. John
The locker room. That's when Jim Jordan said.
00:43:16:06 - 00:43:19:03
Dori / Stacey
They said that Strauss oh, that's that's Strauss.
00:43:19:05 - 00:43:23:13
Dr. John
You know, he's like that. Jim Jordan knew.
00:43:23:15 - 00:43:24:20
Dori / Stacey
You know. Of course he did.
00:43:24:21 - 00:43:25:17
Dr. John
You know, and I.
00:43:25:17 - 00:44:00:23
Dori / Stacey
Think what I was saying is that the referee said because he got emotional as well when he was telling the story, that he didn't really like pursue it to tell, like his family, his friends about it. Just like the hockey player as well. And then we have also that gentleman and I forget his name, who is a non athlete who just went in, had to go to the doctor, saw Doctor Strauss, and Doctor Strauss was like giving him a full exam when the kid had.
00:44:00:23 - 00:44:07:13
Dori / Stacey
I don't remember. Was he like had the flu or something like so minor. He had a.
00:44:07:15 - 00:44:46:10
Dr. John
Let me clarify. Excuse me for interrupting Dory, but Stephen Snyder Hill, I think it's very important to call him out and praise him because it he was a non athlete and kind of started the ball on exposing all of this stuff. He was a normal student when in because he had a lump on his chest, a lump on his chest, and immediately Doctor Strauss says disrobe, pull down your underwear and he gives them a you know, a penis exam or whatever.
00:44:46:10 - 00:44:47:21
Dr. John
You know, he's manipulating them.
00:44:48:01 - 00:44:57:06
Dori / Stacey
Is he even doing an exam or is it just his own version of touching somebody? Is there anything clinical about what he's doing? There's no. Because you don't. I mean, I'm not going.
00:44:57:08 - 00:45:04:21
Dr. John
You don't fondle somebody's penis for any reason unless, you know, there's some, STD you're concerned about or.
00:45:04:23 - 00:45:18:24
Dori / Stacey
And speaking of that, somebody ejaculated during one of them, and, you know, can you imagine the humiliation of feeling that way? Because I mean that and it's for anybody not to listen to that is just it's awful. Keep going. I'm sorry. Yeah.
00:45:19:04 - 00:45:25:12
Dr. John
And how confused that individual was because he ejaculated like, who am I, what am I? Yeah.
00:45:25:12 - 00:45:39:13
Dori / Stacey
What am I like? What I was saying in the beginning, they were questioning their sexuality. It's uncomfortable. How are you going to tell your parents this? You know, again, we have to remember it was the 90s. It wasn't the same as it is now. Now doesn't mean it, you know. It doesn't mean anything. But he would do anything now about it.
00:45:39:13 - 00:45:56:00
Dori / Stacey
It could be covered up again. But it just seems like in the 90s or people weren't out. People weren't, you know, there wasn't a lot of talk about abuse and and assault and all that stuff. And I think that I think that contributed a lot to it.
00:45:56:02 - 00:46:14:23
Dr. John
You know, and there's something that popped in my head, I want to say, and I want to get it out into our broadcast here. The cover up, something just smells, something that really smells about this cover up. For example, this doctor Grace, who was,
00:46:15:00 - 00:46:15:21
Dori / Stacey
Yeah.
00:46:15:23 - 00:46:41:03
Dr. John
Head of student Health Services. And with this Stephen Snyder Hill goes to doctor Grace to complain, says this is not right. Doctor Grace not only covers it up, but puts in a letter a line that he had no idea any of this was ever known has never been reported before.
00:46:41:05 - 00:46:48:10
Dori / Stacey
And not one person has ever made a complaint. And that was a blatant lie.
00:46:48:12 - 00:47:07:20
Dr. John
Blatant lie. So what's bells about this? Why does a guy like Strauss have this, you know, candy store part? Candy? Candy store of opportunity in this university. Something smells here.
00:47:07:22 - 00:47:18:03
Dori / Stacey
He's also pushing steroids. Oh, yeah. We'll get to that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that was the reading's leading. That's. My dad would say steroid steroids. Yeah.
00:47:18:05 - 00:47:20:03
Dr. John
He was a physician, by the way.
00:47:20:05 - 00:47:44:03
Dori / Stacey
Tonight. Can I mention one thing? Before you get into that, I wanted to mention Al Nova Kowski. He was the Canadian hockey player. He is a hockey player, but he's the one who was just a big star and a huge scholarship. Al Nova Koski very. I love this man. I'm so I feel for him. He was so vulnerable and honest in that moment.
00:47:44:03 - 00:47:46:10
Dori / Stacey
So. And he was the one that was raped.
00:47:46:10 - 00:47:55:24
Dr. John
He was the one that came out and raped again. There was 170 suspected rape victims, but he was the one in a documentary that detailed, detailed rape.
00:47:56:04 - 00:48:03:18
Dori / Stacey
He can you imagine going from not telling anybody to then doing it on a TV show for the whole country world to see? This is terrible. This is.
00:48:03:18 - 00:48:08:06
Dr. John
A terrible coincidence and juxtaposition, but we're joined by.
00:48:08:08 - 00:48:09:05
Dori / Stacey
Our penis dog.
00:48:09:06 - 00:48:10:24
Dr. John
The penis dog, you know, it's.
00:48:10:24 - 00:48:17:23
Dori / Stacey
Bosh, everybody. Bosh is going to get adopted. So this may be the last time that my house.
00:48:18:00 - 00:48:20:13
Dr. John
Penis dog will live with us forever.
00:48:20:15 - 00:48:22:20
Dori / Stacey
But his penis is better. You guys.
00:48:23:01 - 00:48:24:23
Dr. John
You got the operation, you know.
00:48:25:04 - 00:48:28:15
Dori / Stacey
Can we get a can we get a facial, a bath?
00:48:28:17 - 00:48:29:24
Dr. John
We all taking pictures of.
00:48:29:24 - 00:48:58:12
Dori / Stacey
Bosh, right? Got it. I got to take you back, baby. But that's just kind of. It actually is kind of serendipitous with this topic. Yeah. Not to make light of this topic out at light and there's no penis to penis. Penis to penis? Yeah. Dust to dust there. That's a no. Thank you, Stacy. That should be on our it should that should be our tagline for pod candy penis to penis dust to dust.
00:48:58:12 - 00:49:13:22
Dori / Stacey
Especially for this episode. Okay. For sure. And also, John, I was going to mention to you that you kept saying something smells, and I just wanted to say something's rotten in the state of Denmark. Yeah. Just for a little theatrical reference. I have a theory, but anyway. Go on. Yeah. What's your theory?
00:49:13:24 - 00:49:42:06
Dr. John
Here's my bald theory. I wonder if, you know, there's some kind of gay little club going on with some of these administrators and Doctor Strauss. You know, Doctor Strauss gets the position and keeps the position because he's got a couple of boyfriends in the administration, and I don't want to cast aspersions on who or why or when, but, I just did a theory.
00:49:42:06 - 00:49:43:15
Dori / Stacey
Something very gay about it.
00:49:43:15 - 00:49:46:14
Dr. John
Yeah. Why would this guy be retained that.
00:49:46:14 - 00:49:47:11
Dori / Stacey
You could get by?
00:49:47:17 - 00:50:09:18
Dr. John
You could get thousands of doctors who would love a cushy job, like being a physician for a major university. That is the. That would be an ultimate for a lot of male doctors, you know, especially male doctors who are athletes. You would die for that position. Why does this creepy guy get retained?
00:50:09:20 - 00:50:25:13
Dori / Stacey
Not only just retain, but like, why I haven't researched the. Stacy, you're the big researcher. Like, has he accomplished anything? I know he was on Nightline talking about steroids and then he was actually pushing steroids. So he wrote a book on steroids. Yeah. John.
00:50:25:15 - 00:50:47:03
Dr. John
That's it. He, he when you say accomplished anything, this is so the hypocrisy of this is so amazing. He was writing articles and getting published articles and then the the negativity of steroids and the danger of serious. And yet he was in charge of the steroid program at Ohio State University.
00:50:47:05 - 00:51:15:17
Dori / Stacey
So he's actually injecting these athletes. Yeah. With like they didn't. So here's you call them vitamins, right. It's allegedly because they all said, like what? Like B12 didn't feel like what they were being injected with. So technically we don't know for sure. But allegedly he was also injecting them and pushing steroids on them.
00:51:17:09 - 00:51:19:21
Speaker 1
Multiple sources told me
00:51:19:21 - 00:51:34:07
Speaker 1
they got steroids from Doctor Strauss, and multiple sources told me that he was distributing steroids. I talked to one former trainer. One of his jobs was distributing the steroids to the athlete.
00:51:35:13 - 00:51:57:19
Speaker 5
They brought us in, like to do B12 shots. They said, I mean, I've done B12 shots before, but this was different. That's right. Before, like, big towns and nationals that I remember. They gave us a pretty big shot. They said there's B12, but I don't think it was B12. I thought of my immense testosterone. Did it make you feel any different?
00:51:57:21 - 00:52:14:00
Speaker 5
I felt good. I felt real good. I just felt energy and just recovery was quicker. I don't think B12 does that for you.
00:52:14:00 - 00:52:20:11
Dori / Stacey
the point you were making is why is this doctor still at the university?
00:52:20:12 - 00:52:32:03
Dori / Stacey
A top notch university for 20 plus years when people are making complaints about him? So this.
00:52:32:03 - 00:52:33:08
Dr. John
Smells here.
00:52:33:12 - 00:53:01:21
Dori / Stacey
Something's rotten at OSU. Didn't anybody shadow him or come into the room ever? Or, like, did we being senators? Didn't you see the nurse would step out when he would do examinations? Everybody knew and they all dismissed it with. That's just Strauss. I thought. Terminating cliche ends the conversation. There's nothing you can say back. Yeah, because no one is listening.
00:53:01:21 - 00:53:34:09
Dori / Stacey
It's like, boom, there's no I don't want to make the comparison. But I just thought this and this may be totally out of like crazy this, but to me it would almost be like, what if my, like, gynecologist started like, putting dildos on me? Like, as I'm in the like, they serve no purpose at all, right? And they're just like, shoving things like, I would be like, what the f is going on like that?
00:53:34:09 - 00:54:01:08
Dori / Stacey
And then if I broach it with somebody else, one would think that, oh, this is out of the realm of possibility. We've got to look into this. The quote from the coaches, oh, that's just Strauss. That in itself should have led to a huge investigation. I agree with you. And again, we we you know, there's a spidey sense that comes up when you're like, something doesn't feel right.
00:54:01:12 - 00:54:21:18
Dori / Stacey
All these guys had the Spidey sense. They just didn't know what to do. I'm trying to picture my child, either child in a room with somebody not knowing and then feeling really weird to walk out into the hall where there's a line of guys and they all know it's so uncomfortable for these macho guys. Back to what John said.
00:54:21:24 - 00:54:37:09
Dori / Stacey
These macho, athletic guys who are at the top of their game and they're feeling like shit. They're being taken down. And then, I thought of something. The theory could be that he was trying to destroy the athletes.
00:54:37:11 - 00:54:41:08
Dr. John
Well, that's true. That's an interesting theory as well.
00:54:41:07 - 00:54:46:21
Unknown
Oh. They.
00:54:46:21 - 00:55:06:01
Dr. John
I want to get back to that hero, Nova Kowski. The Canadian hockey player. When you said he was kicked off the hockey team. That's exactly right. But it was because after one of the fondling episodes from Doctor Strauss, he couldn't live with himself.
00:55:06:01 - 00:55:35:12
Dr. John
And he started to miss practice. And he was a superstar hockey player. Coming into Ohio State, he started to miss miss practices and miss classes, etc. and he goes back to his coach and a coach says, you're a cancer to this program. And so he gets kicked off the team. But it was after the the visit he had with Doctor Strauss that started him to spiral down.
00:55:35:14 - 00:56:09:16
Dori / Stacey
Yeah. Another one also on the scholarship. You lose your scholarship, you lose money. So first he's off the team, then he can't go to school anymore. Yeah. So maybe. Yeah, but like but how evil would that be, like Stacy with your theory about that? Like, just if that is the case that this one guy, which I hope that wasn't the case, that he really, truly just wanted to destroy all the I think the theory of the fact that, like you were saying that, you know, like the is the Strauss's of the world.
00:56:09:16 - 00:56:24:21
Dori / Stacey
They are like these nerdy guys who probably can't get it themselves. So they're in a position of power and they're going to do everything that they can to, you know, treat these women and men like.
00:56:25:00 - 00:56:47:14
Dr. John
Well, ending with, let's, let's turn the tables and talk about how why an individual like this can exist. This Doctor Strauss, you know, and, we talked about how he can exist within the system. You know, my theory being he had something on somebody or was the lover of somebody in high places that kept him in to, this job.
00:56:47:16 - 00:57:12:12
Dr. John
But also, what's wrong with this guy? You know, there is a medical condition that I feel that is wrong with this guy. He's, you know, he's a sick individual. I mean, we haven't even talked about. How is a man I can't even imagine how much sex that is. It's you're you're getting. He was constantly in these shower rooms.
00:57:12:18 - 00:57:13:20
Dori / Stacey
That's every day.
00:57:13:22 - 00:57:15:21
Dr. John
That's an everyday thing. I was just going through.
00:57:15:21 - 00:57:34:04
Dori / Stacey
Multiple and multiple. Multiple sports, multiple showers, multiple showers, multiple. The hockey team, the basketball team. The football team. The family. Everybody knows that. He knows that you don't want you don't mingle with the people that that students. But I want to get back to that.
00:57:34:04 - 00:57:40:10
Dr. John
Point that maybe you ladies don't realize because you can just orgasm. An orgasm, an orgasm.
00:57:40:14 - 00:57:49:04
Dori / Stacey
Oh, yeah. I mean, one would win, one would hope, but one would only be one that I'm orgasming right now. I, but in in.
00:57:49:04 - 00:58:12:02
Dr. John
Men, we men, we have about one chance at this, you know, and then we're done for a long period of time. How does this guy, get so much sex? And so what is this? Because there's something probably neurologically and psychologically wrong with him. So I have. And remember, I'm not diagnosing.
00:58:12:02 - 00:58:15:03
Dori / Stacey
Yes, but I do diagnose him just a.
00:58:15:03 - 00:58:51:20
Dr. John
Theory of what's wrong with this guy. And these are two very serious conditions, one purely medical and neurological, and the other one is, a psychiatric, diagnosis. And the first one, the medical diagnosis is compulsive sexual behavior disorder, which is recognized by, you know, medicine as a disorder that you can't get enough. You there's some there's literally we're finding that in, in the temporal lobe of the brain, there is a, you know, an abnormality that.
00:58:51:20 - 00:58:52:12
Dori / Stacey
Makes you want.
00:58:52:12 - 00:59:25:23
Dr. John
More and more and more and more sex and able to do it as well. By the way, now, the psychiatric diagnosis, I think is is clear. Again, this is a guess. I'm not diagnosing over the media. And there would be a borderline personality disorder because it has all the elements of there's no contrition, there's no conscious, there's, you know, just no feeling for no empathy for another person.
00:59:26:00 - 00:59:35:02
Dr. John
The absolutely kind of, in and out of reality of this guy all fits, you know, borderline personality. I'd like to.
00:59:35:02 - 00:59:55:16
Dori / Stacey
Kind of see a documentary on Strauss and Nassar. I'm linking them both together because they're both kind of the same person. Yeah, let's let's ship. Let's ship them. You know how, say, the kids say that now? Yeah. What a shame. Strauss, Strauss and Nassar are going to be shipped. Oh, no. That's real cut. Oh okay. Yeah, but I'm going to be on the lookout for the shipping.
00:59:55:16 - 01:00:16:16
Dori / Stacey
I'm going to be on the ship for a shipping, of the shipping. I have a question for Doctor Mayer. So in your I need to know the difference because I keep saying sociopathic about certain things. What is the difference between sociopathic and borderline personality disorder?
01:00:16:18 - 01:00:18:03
Dr. John
The. It's a fine line. I mean.
01:00:18:09 - 01:00:18:22
Dori / Stacey
Yeah, what.
01:00:18:22 - 01:00:47:20
Dr. John
Do I in personality disorder? As much serious, condition because it has other symptoms as along with sociopathic behavior. Sociopathic behavior has no regard for social rules and no understanding of social rules. And the borderline personality certainly has that, but also has other things like lack of empathy. In they move in and out of their own realities, you know, etc., etc..
01:00:47:20 - 01:01:15:20
Dr. John
Inability to make relationships escalation, motion. You know, we saw that in Strauss two at one hearing. You know, a victim is testifying and he bangs on the table. You're trying to ruin my reputation. I, I would I, you know, again, in all retrospect, if I was that if I say, yeah, you're damn right I'm trying to ruin your reputation because you're an evil freakin criminal.
01:01:15:22 - 01:01:19:20
Dr. John
You know what it's like? Of course. So that's a different stage, you know, it's.
01:01:20:00 - 01:01:48:12
Dori / Stacey
Yeah, I, I, I, I, I really did that. Those two things to me are hard to separate. And then dare I say this, just like becoming a priest, if you have the tendency to want to be around younger kids or becoming you know, doing something where you can hide behind the profession so that you can do what you need to do, hiding behind the job, the profession.
01:01:48:14 - 01:02:05:08
Dori / Stacey
Why do we why do we? There's one glaring example now. Two, I don't have to even mention names like how? Why do we allow this? And why? Why can't we come? Come to Jesus with everything and be like, honest? Why all the covering covering?
01:02:05:10 - 01:02:35:22
Dr. John
And that's what I get at. You know, my theory of how this gets perpetrated, how and why is because they were also getting something out of this. You get something the institution or the in this case, the school or the job, you know, there's a benefit they're getting by having this person doing it, which in their immoral minds supersedes what this guy is doing.
01:02:35:24 - 01:03:00:04
Dr. John
I can't imagine what they felt that they were getting out of Strauss from a medical point of view, financial point of view. So what was it? It's got to be some kind of relational thing, he it's either something and somebody or was something with somebody, that continued to have him in this position. You know, it's just incredible.
01:03:00:06 - 01:03:16:21
Dr. John
And by the way, another fact the audience should know. So he does get removed from being the the medical director of the student Health services, but they keep him on is a professor and then make him when he retires.
01:03:16:23 - 01:03:18:04
Dori / Stacey
Emeritus emeritus.
01:03:18:09 - 01:03:24:14
Dr. John
Which, by the way, if people don't know that, look it up. It's it's like being knighted.
01:03:24:17 - 01:03:30:01
Dori / Stacey
Huge honor, a huge honor. It's he's he's he's immortalized basically.
01:03:30:07 - 01:03:33:05
Dr. John
And the they knew he was a pedophile.
01:03:33:07 - 01:04:00:01
Dori / Stacey
Yeah. What's I mean unbelievable. I didn't even get to the point. How does he get to the point then of killing himself? He has no remorse or regret. This is actually the dory. That is the best question. Because how exactly? How does that happen? So what word, what does it like? You know, he's feeling like I guess he saw or ill or whatever, like, but he's only 70 something years old.
01:04:00:07 - 01:04:11:21
Dori / Stacey
He's caused so much trauma all around. But it's not the remorse that he wants to kill himself, it's that he's feeling the pain. Like Stacy said initially. John. Yeah.
01:04:11:22 - 01:04:40:10
Dr. John
And us, that's part of that borderline personality theory. I have that, it's about see, that's the other thing about borderlines. It's about me. It's on me, me, me. There's no there's no sense of the other person in their lives. The other, you know, it's, that was the classic definition of the borderline personality disorder. And I want to emphasize and jump on that point.
01:04:40:12 - 01:04:54:20
Dr. John
Dory, is that the medical reports about the suicide were that he did it because he was in so much pain. He must've had some kind of physical condition going on. And and one of our hero athletes,
01:04:54:19 - 01:04:57:02
Dr. John
He said wow.
01:04:57:04 - 01:05:06:15
Dr. John
He had no contrition of what he did. He didn't kill himself because of us. And what he did. He killed himself because of him. Something he was going through. Just.
01:05:06:20 - 01:05:17:18
Dori / Stacey
He was in pain. He was in pain. No, no, no regard for the thousands of people who were in pain and then their families and their families with all that trauma that's in them forever now.
01:05:17:20 - 01:05:34:13
Dr. John
And another thing I say before we wrap up, is that as a lot of these documentaries, my I'm unsatisfied with, I want to know the development of this guy, what his what his childhood was like, what his family life.
01:05:34:13 - 01:05:44:20
Dori / Stacey
Was, why I mean, that's why I said, we need to see a documentary on Doctor Strauss. Now. I want to go find the documentary just on him and.
01:05:44:24 - 01:05:45:22
Dr. John
And Dory, I.
01:05:45:22 - 01:05:47:12
Dori / Stacey
Did a little. I'm googling it. I did a.
01:05:47:12 - 01:05:50:09
Dr. John
Little search, and there's nothing really on his.
01:05:50:12 - 01:06:11:01
Dori / Stacey
I, I have to say though, as we are wrapping up now for our next episode, I don't think I can go through something like this again for a while. I need to do a lighthearted watch. So, for the next time, you know, we got to come up with something that's that's more fun.
01:06:11:03 - 01:06:16:06
Dr. John
But it'll be juicy as always. We'll just dig into it knowing.
01:06:16:06 - 01:06:38:07
Dori / Stacey
Knowing, that we are going to maybe get to have somebody do a documentary on Richard Strauss, maybe. And Larry Nassar. There is a prominent. This is so sad. You know, Richard Strauss, the composer, the German composer, same name. So you can't really find you can't find shit on this doctor because it's all about Richard Strauss, the, the real one.
01:06:38:07 - 01:07:00:12
Dori / Stacey
And they actually in the same photo, he the same ones. Like, he only had one photo like this. Got milky like that, milky white with the white hair and that. Just tell me he's not a Jew. Dory. Is he a Jew? Oh, my gosh, I don't even want you there. I, I tried to look it up. I, I tried to look it up, but I can't, I can't live with another Jew doing something I feel like I need to end.
01:07:00:12 - 01:07:09:10
Dori / Stacey
I think we need to end on that because, this side of that is true or not. You do or not? Let's hope not. That's all.
01:07:09:10 - 01:07:11:05
Dr. John
Like it sounds like a new game show there.
01:07:11:05 - 01:07:12:04
Dori / Stacey
Well, you know, that's a.
01:07:12:04 - 01:07:14:16
Dr. John
Spin off from our program and the new game show.
01:07:14:16 - 01:07:34:10
Dori / Stacey
Jew or not. Yeah, I'm sure John Mayer didn't think of this, but I think of it all the time. I'm like, looking at the name. I'm like, it's written. Then I ask my mom, is Richard Strauss a Jewish? Because it could go either way. But listen in, in wrapping this up, I want to say that, this was one of the worst, worst stories I've ever heard.
01:07:34:12 - 01:07:59:12
Dori / Stacey
And it's it was painful to listen to and to watch, and it was sad, and I cried. And I know you guys felt the same way, and we I just want to say that I respect and appreciate these guys so much. And, if there's anything that I could do for them, I would. So I'm just putting out the, the my hand and extending my hand out to people that, you know, I just I just feel for them and I want.
01:07:59:14 - 01:08:24:18
Dr. John
We're doing a lot. Stacy's in this story, you know. And. Yeah, I want to wrap up and say something at the end too, which is important. And you said it at the beginning before I joined. You're sending a child off to college. And what we don't sometimes acknowledges how difficult it is for parents to take your child, your precious child, and you're going to have them live somewhere else.
01:08:24:20 - 01:08:50:24
Dr. John
And in the in the protection, hopefully, of other adults. And that's what was so devastating to me of this. You go to college and you expect that the very least what they should be doing is housing you, feeding you, protecting you, while you're there. And that's what we want as parents. Parents communicate with your your children.
01:08:51:01 - 01:09:19:07
Dr. John
Be open about it. Ask them. You know what's going on. Instill in them. You want to know if there's some painful things or if there's some things that are difficult to handle. Please develop the relationship and your children, or they can confide in you with these things, because that was one of the things that was so troubling about all these men is that they none of them felt that they could have told anybody.
01:09:19:09 - 01:09:28:04
Dr. John
Develop the relationship in your children where they will convey to you and and are eager to confide in you. So please.
01:09:28:10 - 01:09:39:15
Dori / Stacey
Yeah, those are good words. Stacy. John, great final thoughts. Again next time I need to look for something goofy.
01:09:40:15 - 01:09:46:02
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