Elsbeth: Season 3, Episode 8 - Basket Case

This week on The Good Pod, Jason and Marissa dive into Elsbeth Season 3, Episode 8: "Basket Case." A college athletic director turns up dead, and Elsbeth finds herself deep in the tangled web of college basketball politics, overbearing coaches, and viral influencer girlfriends. Is this a murder driven by ego, ambition, or both? Jason breaks down the episode’s not-so-subtle parallels to real-life football drama (hello, Bill Belichick), while Marissa explores the feminist themes woven into the whodunit. Plus, Wagner’s phishing test tantrum, a mascot called “Thingy,” and Elsbeth’s bold new attitude all make this a standout ep. Join us as we unpack one of the most meta Elsbeth stories yet.

Timestamps:
00:12 – Post-Thanksgiving vibes and Elsbeth’s lack of a holiday episode
04:00 – Murder hits St. Ivan’s: Athletic director Dave Chopin found dead
08:00 – Jason unpacks the real-life Bill Belichick parallels
17:00 – Peyton Ramsey: influencer, girlfriend, or mastermind?
34:00 – Wagner’s workplace revenge prank (and security training woes)
52:00 – That wild ending: spousal privilege, non-smudge concealer, and Lindsey Graham?!

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# Elsbeth S3 E8

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking ELs Smith, season three, episode eight Basket case. I'm one of your hosts, Jason Reed. With me as always, is Marissa with one s. Gara. Oh, Marissa, my God. You good? You good. I, I don't even know how to answer your question. I cannot believe you insulted me so much.

That's your name, right? Marissa. Marissa with one s. Gara. No, no, no. And you know it, you know it so much. Jason, with who s is Reed? Oh, I wish I had two S's in my name. That would be cool. Like having a name with two S's is so great. Uh, it's a shame neither one of us that feels like to have a name with two S's.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, I'll never know what that's like. I, it's, it's a life un unlived. Uh, but I'm doing okay. Jason, how are you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Oh, yeah, I figured. [00:01:00] Yeah. Uh, this is the first show we're recording after the Thanksgiving break. Yes. Um, I hope everyone's holiday if you, if you, uh, celebrate the holiday or not.

I hope your time off or your, your time with loved ones, whatever you were doing. I hope you were having a great time last Thursday. Yeah. Everyone like needed. I at least, I hope someone like, like everyone got a. Little bit of a break, a little bit of a time off, a little bit of a breather, because God knows we need it.

I, I don't even know how we're at the end of this year, but we're here and we're gonna make it. We only got a little bit more to go and then a whole nother one starts, but we're gonna make it to the end of this one. We hope. We hope. I mean, sometimes I wonder, sometimes I'm thinking like, are we, should we, I don't know.

Uh, 'cause 2025 has been quite a year, uh, has been. For sure. You know, and, and of course everyone acts like when the year turns over to a new one, everything's gonna be better. It's like clean sleep, but we'll see. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see, we'll see. Uh, I think it just might get worse. I dunno. Um, so it, it's, it's weird to me that Ellsworth did not have a, like a Thanksgiving [00:02:00] episode.

'cause it just seems like Ellsworth is the type of. Person that would celebrate a Thanksgiving. She would, she would call, she would call out the, uh, the Thanksgiving, like, oh, for sure. Genocide of it all, and a moment for genocide. Like, she would definitely have that. Yeah. But she, she would still kind of like celebrate by, by getting people together.

She is a very, she's a very like bring people together person. So I'm a little surprised that they didn't have a Thanksgiving moment in the last episode. Um, but here we are, season, uh, season three, episode eight. Best case. A very, like for me. Very interesting episode because of all the things going on. Um.

But let's get, before we get into the episode and the case and all that good stuff, uh, let's get some of the housekeeping outta the way. If you wanna, if you wanna support this podcast, you can do that by liking, rating, subscribing, wherever it's you're watching or listening. That's a great help to us because it gets us into the eyes and ears of more listeners and watchers out there.

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Yes. And I would also add to that support, like if you're looking for ways to dodge politics, you just say like, Hey, well I guess we don't really dodge politics. But not, not, not be like, Hey, I've been watching in the Good Way for, I've been watching Elsbeth and there's a great podcast. Like Tell your peeps about it.

We'd love it. Mm-hmm. We'd love to hear. Okay. This episode, Jason? Yes. Here we go. Uh, well, I'm so excited to learn because as you mentioned, you were like, really? Like, this is so meta for me, like everything that's going on. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, what's going on? So let's get into it so I can learn from you what the heck's going on.

Um, I'll put this, pulled into the [00:04:00] chaotic world of college athletics on St. Ivan's, athletic director Dave Chopin. Is found murdered. His body staged to look like a street robbery. As she digs deeper, she discovers a storm of tension surrounding the struggling New head coach Russell Will Barry Willoughby will Willoughby.

I was thinking of like Wallabies. Mm-hmm. Um, Willaby and his much younger, highly controversial girlfriend, Peyton Ramsey, who's social media savvy and meddling, have the entire program on edge. While Peyton appears to be the obvious suspect. Especially after traces of her concealer are found on the victim, ellizabeth unravels a more complicated truth involving locker room surveillance, player secrets, and a coach whose fragile ego may be more dangerous than anyone realized.

The case ultimately hinges on alibis make up in a misplace and misplaced pride culminating and a reveal that shows just how far someone will [00:05:00] go to protect a legacy already. Crumbling under pressure. Okay. Yes. Okay. Like, do we need a whiteboard? Like, what's going on? So, I'm so happy that you're a nerd and you paid no attention to sports whatsoever because Yeah, no, this, this is such a wild thing to do from a show because, okay.

So let's start at the beginning. Have you? Okay. I think even someone that is not inclined into sports. I am aware of sports. Jason, I know you're aware of sports. I know of the sports balls. Have you ever heard of Bill Belichick? I have, yes. Okay. Oh, oh yeah. Okay. So this is a direct, okay. This is a direct take takedown of Bill Belichick.

Like this, like I'm so surprised that they just. Whoever came up with this conceit, who wrote this episode, hates Bill Belichick, is probably like a, maybe like a Jets fan, I don't know. Like, or, or maybe like a Giants [00:06:00] fan or something that like hates Bill Belichick because this was obviously a like hate letter to Bill Belichick.

Uh, so lemme explain to, for those that don't know, please. Bill Belichick was the longtime head coach of the New England Patriots. Uh, I think even those that aren't like into sports will know the name. New England Patriots will know that New New England Patriots dominated NFL football for a long time.

They won. There was a dynasty of sorts. There was a dynasty. They won several Super Bowls. Bill Belichick with Tom Brady as his quarterback for many, many years won many, many rings, uh, with, uh, with. Tom and Bill Belichick. Okay. So much so that people were wondering, is it Bill Belichick or Tom Brady that's, that's making this all happen.

So a few years ago, bill Belichick, uh, and the New England Patriots decide to part ways. Okay. Because they're like, we're not the same, the same for us no more. Tom Brady left the Patriots and the Patriots. Kind of like under Bill Belichick's, you know, direction was like. Kind of going down, everybody's like, oh, maybe it was Tom Brady that made the whole thing run and not Bill Belichick.

So [00:07:00] Bill Belichick's start was fading. He failed to get another job in the NFL, so he turned to college football. Um, I do believe his, uh, his school is UNC maybe. Sure. Uh, sure. Uh, that I'm not so sure about. But what did happen once he got to UNC is that there's this whole firestorm surrounding Bill Belichick and his much, much younger girlfriend, uh, Jordan Hudson, I believe is her name.

And so it, it, it kind of gets out there that Jordan is kind of like. Running Bill Belichick's life now. She is so ingrained into his life and how he does things. She has inserted herself into the UNC program, so much so that it's getting a lot of media attention of how involved she is and it's. Seemingly that she's running Bill, bill Belichick's life.

Yes. In this way. Yes. So this is a, a like direct parallel to be like, yes, I wanna talk crap. Yeah. I wanna talk crap. Bill Belichick and I wanna do it [00:08:00] through this show. And to, to give this other parallel like universe version of Bill Belichick. Yeah. And how this person feels about Bill Belichick and all the things that going on.

It was so as it was like unfolding, I was just like. My jaw was on the floor. I was like, wow, this is like, this is a very, very thinly veiled hit piece on Bill Belichick. And it was, it was so wonderful because I, I as well hate Bill Belichick because he has defeated many my Ravens team, many, many a time on our way to a possible Super Bowl and like any, um, franchise that does well.

Everyone else that's not part of that franchise hates them. We, you know, if you're not, if you're not part of the Kansas chief, uh, Kansas City Chiefs, uh, fandom, you hate the Kansas City Chiefs right now because they keep winning Super Bowls. So it was like that for the Patriots for a long time. So as much as I hate Bill Belichick, this was so crazy to me to see like this obvious hit piece on Bill be Bill Belichick.[00:09:00]

Let me share my, the non-sports experience mm-hmm. Of Bill Belichick. Like my, okay. So. There was a time when Bill Belichick, first of all, he was known for sweatshirts Yes. Football. Like with the cutoff sleeves. With the cutoff sleeves and all this stuff. Okay. Yeah. So there was that. And then second of all, he cheated.

There was this whole like cheating thing, right? Yes. And at that point, the, the flight gate, which here is, is called tape gate. Yes. Yes. Okay. Okay. So there was this whole sheeting thing, and then at that point I was like, oh, well first of all, I was exiting myself from NFL. Watching for my own personal values.

Jason and I talk about this a lot. I just. NFL is just not a thing. I can, Marissa thinks I'm a terrible person, terrible person for supporting N NFL watching party. Don't you know that? Yeah. You cancel each other out. Like that's just, you were trying to cancel me for watching football. That's what you're trying to do.

No, no. I just, I do other things like I, you know. Um, you support Disney, you go to Disney World. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Give them money. Yeah. Yeah. Like, it's hard for me to un [00:10:00] untwine from Disney because of everything that like wrapped up in my childhood and my life, which is probably their whole master evil plan, and I see that.

Mm-hmm. Um, however, I had started to exit myself from. The NFL daily watching and also so had my family, so we kind of have been like not watching football. And also, I don't know about you, but football is always like 10 times louder than any other TV show. And so I'm just like, it's too much, too much sensory for me.

I can't do it. I have to be like in a quiet space. Any who? So I go on my little NFL hiatus and then. A couple, like I think was it this year there was that interview with his girlfriend and she was like sitting behind the camera telling him what to say and there was all this conversation about a conservancy.

Conservancy, conservatorship. That's it. Yeah. Like Britney Spears, right? Like the whole thing. And, and then I was like, oh, oh Bill, what did you do? How did you get here? What's going on? But also, okay, like [00:11:00] not to be a horrible her person, but you are Bill Belichick. So, I mean, also kind of horrible person as well, so Exactly.

That's what I'm saying. Like, so he deserve it. I don't, yeah. But, uh, but, but I mean, deserves it. I mean, I feel like, I feel like what's, what's, what's with Bill Belichick and Coach W here? Coach Willaby Yes. Is both kind of like, he's gotten to a point in his life where a hot young person Yes, exactly.

Overrides his like. Need to win. Maybe it was like, uh, to, to, to maintain this hot action. I'm getting, I'll let her do anything and everything she wants. Well, it's like a, I, this is just my couch cycle analyzation of Coach w I'll keep it to Coach W as opposed to, uh, 'cause I don't know Bill W because you don't know Willaby is, yeah.

Um, so. Like his ego was so tied up in the game and into winning. And then when he's not winning and he's not doing this, the only thing that makes him feel like on [00:12:00] my own is that he has like this hot to trot young girlfriend. Mm-hmm. And so that is where he was gaining like his power and stuff. And he didn't want anything to like get in between, like get in danger of that.

So that's why even though he did end up killing what's his face, Dave Coppins, the athletic director of the school, um, he was like. There's nothing on you, babe. Like they're not gonna take you away from me and they'll never catch me because I'm Coach W. You know, like, I'm amazing. There's nothing you could do here.

Um, but they, they weren't thinking about Elsbeth with a B Jason. Yes. Elbe with a B. Yeah. So I, it is just so fascinating to me that, uh, that this was a, a whole topic of an episode. Like to they, they took like. The writer's like, we got time. You know who I hate, you know who I can't stand? This is Bill Belichick.

Let's write a whole ass, like, you know, write a whole, a whole ass episode dedicated to how much I hate Bill [00:13:00] Belichick and I want to make him a murderer in the show. That I'm, that I'm, uh, you know, writing and in directing and we're gonna make it basketball so he can't do us. Right. Sure, sure. And it is, it's not like, it's like this is a, it's not like ELLs Smith is a law and order type show where we rip stories from the headlines.

This is a special case for ELLs Smith in many ways because it's like, it's a direct take off of, of one particular person. Like I know Yes. Of one particular person. Yeah. Yeah. And also, also we have satirized many different types of industries and, and talked about different things, but this is a literally like, yeah.

We were talking about, we took one person and made a whole thing about them, and so it, it, it made, it was like it blew me away. And also, this is straying from the formula of Ellsworth because it is, it does turn into a Who done it. Who done it, yeah. Instead of a, of the how ketchu, which I was like, oh, okay.

That's cool. That's different. Although I think we probably could have like. I think all of us surmised how this is probably gonna go probably like not long [00:14:00] after the, the murder. Yeah. But I liked how they did that because they really made Peyton who was played by Alana Korra for all of you, uh, RO Romcom friends like myself.

Even though I couldn't remember, I was like the one that's not about the summer. It's to all the boys I've loved before. Yes. Which was a good series. Um, yeah. You know, I watched this and I was like, huh? Like, I was like, wow. Interesting. They didn't like have in like a huge. Guest star to, you know, anchor this show.

'cause you know, we've been talking about before, like, is the budget there? And then I was like, I was looking at, I was like, oh, lemme see who this person was. And I was like, oh, because I know the name to all the boys I loved before. I know the, you should watch Jason. I'm gonna make you watch a romcom. And I'm sure if I asked my 16-year-old daughter about this, she would know exactly who this was.

If she watched this with me, she would've known. She didn't watch, she didn't watch this one with me. Uh, so it was like, I was like, Lana Condor. I was like, okay. And then to all the, I was like, [00:15:00] oh, okay. So she has a huge like guest star. She's very much in the, uh, what's the lady's name? A couple episodes ago.

Julia Fox Sure is her name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I've even put like. Her acting above. Julia Fox. Julia Fox. Well, yes. Yeah. Listen, Julia, Julia Fox is here because she's hot. Right? Like that, that's what we talked about in the, you know, a couple episodes ago. She's, that's why she was, she's here. That's why she's in the zeitgeist of Hollywood.

Uh, but a lot of condor Yes. Is a very, is a much better actor than Julia Fox. I, for my money, I would say. Well, I loved her like, well, first of all, I love that they used her character to basically. Because this is what happens in these cases. Like, like let's always blame the girlfriend. Like it's gotta be the ambitious girlfriend who is after, you know, money and stuff like that.

Like she is after money, she's gonna make her own money. But then she's also like there for, uh, willoughby's money as well. But, um, everyone's eyes are on her and so I like that we didn't know who did it because. The show kind of made us fall for that trope, [00:16:00] unfortunately, like kind of corrected it by revealing it was will it be at the end?

Um, and I just love La Conrad. There's this one scene where Ellizabeth is like chasing after coach W and um, Peyton, as they're like walking through the training center or whatever, she's like, oh my gosh, you guys walk so fast. Like that scene. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, and coach. W leaves, and then like, Peyton just gives this little like, smile, like, bye.

Mm-hmm. See you. Like she was, she played up to, she matched, um, like Seth's charisma and everything, um, in certain scenes. And it really, I, it really popped for me. I enjoyed that. And, and I think this did a good job of not, not making Peyton like this vapid, right. Uh, dumb unintelligent, uh. Stu like girlfriend, right?

Stupid girlfriend. She, they made her very like ambitious. She's a go-getter. She knows, she's talking about in the, in the [00:17:00] sport of basketball. She's not dumb. She knows what, she knows what she's out recruiting other, uh, other athletes. She knows she's talking about, she has the mind for it. And at the end it's, it's revealed how, you know, she's still like being ambitious.

She's still a go-getter. She's still doing all these things. So I like that they didn't make her this like dumb vapi person. Uh, they made her like very sharp and very like. Intelligent. Yeah. 'cause this all starts because there's like a podcast and people are talking about how like Coach W should just resign.

Mm-hmm. Like things are bad, they should go. And so she tells him like, Hey babe, like things are, people are talking about you. And he gets so into it that he is like, okay, let's put recording devices in the locker room so we can see who's talking about me to the media. Um, yeah. Which is revealed much later.

Because, because yes. Basically what happens is like a lot of stuff gets out about like the players and the players are talking, people are talking to me. We're trying to figure, figure it out because there's a lot of stuff out there about how involved, um. Peyton is with all of the [00:18:00] operations. And so we're, we're like, who, who's letting out this info?

And we meet Dave, Dave Coppin, uh, who is the athletic director of the school. He basically, like, you know, he's the one that got Coach W here, but he, he did not plan on Peyton following along. So now, right. Kind of regretting and this like very much follows the Bill Belichick, right? Because Bill Belichick now at UNC, he, it is not going well.

He is losing a lot of games and you know, they didn't, they did not bring the iconic Bill Belichick here to lose games and become like a distraction, right? Because now him and his antics with his girlfriend are a distraction for the school. We brought Bill check, bill Hick here to win football games, not to like have like.

Media stories on TMZ, like that's not what we're looking for. Uh, so that it very much follows in line because the school's not doing well and it's all about Peyton. So of course Dave is like upset. Dave Confronts, uh, Peyton, he wants her out. He wants [00:19:00] her banned from the school, which was also another story from the Bill Hick.

Uh, thing of like, they, like there was rumor and talk that the school wanted Jordan banned from the facility because she was doing too much. Now it kind of turned out that that apparently was not actually the case, but that. That's what was flew out there to the media. So again, every time they like hit a a piece about like, from like the real life version of things, I was like, oh my God, this is so hilarious.

Uh, you know, Dave's like pay, like yeah. We think like, you know, coach, coach w you with him letting you do all these things. He's like, he's old and empathetic and all this, and pain's like, oh yeah, well I bet you won't say that to his face. And it was like, yeah, I wouldn't, but we find out later that. Coach w did hear what Dave was saying about him because we then see, we later see Dave chilling in the cold tub, getting some ice therapy.

He looks up and he goes, oh, hey, what are you doing here? And next thing you know, bam, he's dead. He's found on the [00:20:00] street with uh, yeah, by some party peeps. Buy some partyers. This was, what did you think of the party goers that found Dave? I was like. They're, they're supposed to be like drunk, I guess. Yes. I was like, this is a little like, we need some acting lessons here.

Yes. Yeah. Well, I mean, and also we didn't have to have them pee in the alley to find the body, you know what I mean? Like they could have just mm-hmm. Found the body. I think it was much more complicated. Um, I did just do a brief search for Elsbeth, bill Belichick and um, yeah, the Raleigh News and Observer definitely has opinion.

I mean, listen, that's where UNC is, so that makes a lot of sense. Exactly, exactly. Oh, that's hilarious. I'm gonna have to read that afterwards. Check it out this, check it out. Um, but yeah. Yeah. The two drunk girls end up peeing on Dave's. One of the drunk girls end up peeing, ends up peeing on dead date on Dave's body and then finds him, which was wild to me.

Yeah. Yeah, it was just like that part was a little clunky. [00:21:00] And then of course mm-hmm. Also, let's talk about, we had a different detective in this episode. Yeah. We like, I thought it was gonna be, who had you mentioned, uh, detective Edwards? Like I was expecting like, oh, I remember tech detective. Yes. The techie, the tech detective.

Yeah. Um. Yeah. But we are introduced to Detective Nina Taylor. Yeah. So Detective Taylor, who has played by, I am, just scroll to my notes here. Uh, Brittany Oldford and, uh, you know, she's not like super well known. She is, uh, I think from what I gathered from her, IMDB, uh, she was in the, in skins, I believe was the, uh, us uh.

Interpretation of, of the skins from the, from the uk from that show. She was on The Flash, which, uh, I watched and I think she's probably one of the like villains of the week one time. And she was on Umbrella Academy, which I think is probably her most noteworthy thing, but I don't. I don't watch that show.

Yeah, I covered that [00:22:00] show and I can't remember she was in that. Oh dang, Marissa. Dang. Um, from what I saw, she had like some like, and this might be why you don't realize, recognize her. She had some weird shades and she had her hair like, oh, oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So you got, you got it now? Um, yeah, I got it now. I looked it up. Yeah, I got it. So Detective Nina Taylor is introduced, and you know, we, we mentioned a few, like, uh, early in the season when we were introduced to Grace, right. We were introduced to Grace mm-hmm. On the, you know, standup comedy related episode.

Right? Because Grace is a standup comedian. Well, and but she's an officer, right? She's an officer. Right. And so Nina Taylor here is a detective, but it seems like. She was brought onto this case because of her background in sports. Yes. And her like, I don't know, well, maybe they all do, but she was wearing that badge all the time.

She was like, I am a detective, [00:23:00] which is fine, but I just was like, oh, hi. I guess she's like trying to remind the audience that she is like she's, she's here. Yeah. Um, but yes, it does seem like it was like sports. You know who could do that? Nina, Nina can handle this case with Ellizabeth because 'cause sports.

Yeah. So I don't, I'm not sure if we'll ever see Detective Taylor again. Now we did end up, uh, seeing Grace again when, 'cause I thought like it's weird that they brought in Grace for this one case, but we did see her again. So maybe we might see Nina again. But I'm not sure if I was like wowed by Detective Taylor because she seemed very like, uh.

Soon as you had a lot of bias going into this thing. Well, yeah, she was like super into basketball. She was a former player, all of this stuff. And I do, maybe this is where this comes into it, Jason, I had talked to you about, uh, before the show about how I caught a line at the end where Ellizabeth goes, there's always next [00:24:00] season.

And she goes, well, for some of us, you know? So I don't know if that means for her character. I don't know if that was just like part of the game or whatever. Um, but because this ended up being a mega. Meta episode. It doesn't, it has to mean something to me, or it probably means nothing. It's either something or nothing, which is true of most things in life.

But it, it, it did stand out to me as a line where I was like, uh, what are they? Hmm. That's, it's very interesting, uh, because we, we know that the kings and kings related, uh, people love to not wink at the camera, so you could definitely be onto something there. Um, I think in the context of the show I was talking about the fact that I, I forgot when that line was.

Maybe it was because. Coach w was getting arrested. Like, you're not gonna have next season. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, so yeah, so I mean, throughout the episode, detective Taylor was just kind of like, she's not showing a lot of professionalism. She's showing a lot of, like, she's like fangirling at some of the, some of this stuff.

And then I was like, eh, not loving this. Like, she's not, I, I understand she's been brought here [00:25:00] because of her sports thing. I was like, eh, I don't know if she was the best. I don't love, I didn't love Detective Taylor. Yeah, a same, I was like, it was kind of like an invisible character. Sorry, Brittany. Uh, but like, it could have been anyone.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, it just was like, it, it, it wasn't somebody. Well, and, and, and what she brought was with her sports knowledge was not like helpful. It more felt like it got more in the way than anything else. Yeah. Yeah. And then she was also like. Talking to one of the players who wants to be, who, like, who's majoring in criminal justice 'cause Oh, and she went to that school.

That was another time. Yes. That's why she's so like, invested involved. Yes. Because she's like, she's like getting autographs for, for uh, for her kid. Wink, wink. Uh, which is really for her, it's like, oh my gosh, this is so tropey. Yeah. I don't know if we needed all of that. Um, I think, I think honestly it is getting really [00:26:00] interesting.

To see what the detective role is. Elizabeth is really carrying all these cases on her own. Yes. And going from like, like even in this episode, she went to go visit some lady who was on the phone with Pat or Peggy or something. She was like, on the phone, she was like, I don't have time for you. Like I, I don't know who you are or whatever.

But she like went out and she didn't have a detective. She didn't even have an officer with her at that time. So she's like, really? Taking this all on, um, herself. We did have an officer in this episode though, um, and this officer. I think was familiar. Yes. Yes. Okay. Officer, officer Somerville, which if you're, if you recall, was the officer in near the beginning of the, of the season with the, uh, it was the David Cross episode where David Cross was the, uh, just got a prison father who was trying to get a doll for his kid.

Ended up taking the toy store hostage. Detective Somerville was the cop that left his. Uh, gun gun unholstered so that David [00:27:00] crosses character could grab it and hold up the store. Now, I do want, I did wonder did, they didn't really make mention of it, but I wonder if Somerville has like, been conscripted to desk duty because of agreed.

This, like oversight of him leaving his gun Unholstered. Uh, I kind of like, I implied that by everything else because he was just like, he was not on the street. He was just like in the office and doing some other shenanigans with Wagner, which we'll get to. Um, but yeah, he was kind of, he was here and.

Didn't really make much of a dent other than to, I guess, what, what was his real co contribution? I like he had some, some friend that, uh, uh, tipped him off to some sports show that he should look at, I think was some those contribution, correct? Yeah, that was it. It was like El bus to never find this because she is the girl and she doesn't listen to sports.

So, you know, we need Detective Somerville here who's. Can't leave the building to talk to his friends and get a pod. Well, they did use podcasting in this episode though. I did wanna talk about that. Another, another mention, shout out to podcasting. Appreciate it. [00:28:00] Again, you don't have to, you can just call us.

You know, like kings, you know who we are. Like it's okay. It'll be enough kings if you just come on the show. Come on the show. And that be, you don't have to keep referencing us, you know, to let us let you listen. We'll take, we'll just have an appearance. We, we'll take it. We'll, we'll talk to you. Come. Don't be scared of us.

We'll, come on. We we're not gonna bite. Just does. I know we've been critical. I know we've been critical, but we're not gonna bite. Okay. We're not gonna bite. Come on the show. Uh, yeah. So, I mean, I guess that was somerville's big like. Add to the show, which was like, not a lot. Well, big add to the case. I think what he did, I, I did enjoy the second storyline that we had here with, um, Wagner and Lieutenant Lawrence.

Steven, Steven Lawrence, right? Uh, that's right. Connor. One of these. Connor, yeah. Lieutenant Connor. I dunno why guys names are hard for me, which is great because I podcast about television. But any who, um, I, I, well, I think, I, I think it's just, it's was not to be mean. Not to be mean. They never say his name again.

They, they sometimes do, but it's, it's not, it's not like noteworthy [00:29:00] enough for it to be like, right. Yeah. You know, you see what Connor did this episode? Oh my gosh. Um, but yes. Yeah. So there was this whole like, I don't know if you've had to take these, I've had to take these, the like. Internet security training things, basically like don't click on a link if you don't know who it is.

And you're supposed to call someone if you get an email. Yeah. Like the 18 steps to like do security. And, um, Wagner did not pass his, and so Lieutenant Connor was like, well, you didn't pass, so you're gonna have to take it again. Eh. Yeah. And that was pretty good, right? Eh? Yeah, that was good. That was a good comment.

That was a very good comment. Um, but yeah, so Wagner's upset. He's like, this, this is a traffic. That's what this is. Which, which I understand because I, I have failed one of those phishing tests. I, I too have clicked something I wasn't supposed to click, and I was like, oh, you failed the test. It's like fufu test.

Um, because I've never gotten a real phishing scam in my life. So I don't even know if this is really like needed. Uh, I don't work for a [00:30:00] company that's like looking for trade secrets. Okay. I just don't, no one's gonna care about my info. Um, but yeah, so Wagner's upset as an older gentleman would be, I think in this, in this instance, wait, this is what we're wasting our time on.

This is what, you know, like it's one of those. And also like, he's like, I would know if it was real. Kind of thing. I mean, he wouldn't, I wouldn't, but, you know. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Uh, he's, he's trying to defend himself. He, he is upset because he feels, he feels like he's been tricked. So Wagner and Somerville, who also failed the, uh, the training, decide to get, get, uh, get Connor back by kind of like stealing his wallet with it, which has his badge in it as well, and, and making like he.

Wagner's all these things of like, oh, hey, you don't have your wallet, like, what's going on? And Connor's like, oh no, I obviously Connor realizes he has misplaced his wallet, doesn't wanna tell anybody because he's, uh, ashamed of it or whatever. And like by the end of it is, it's like a Oh, we got you. We, [00:31:00] we got to, well, yeah, he call they Wagner and Somerville team up to call Connor and are like, Hey, posing as like a.

Credit card company, we just wanna like confirm some of these odd charges on your credit card statement. And like, Connor is so pure and so real, he's like, oh my God, no, I didn't make that. No, what's going on? And then at least Wagner did not let this go on for like a day or whatever. He basically says like three purchases and then comes out the door like, Hey, I got your wallet.

What do you see now, punk? Basically, um, I just like the, the bringing up of these tests in the thing. Yeah. I wasn't such a big fan of the prank. Um, yeah. But by the end of it, I was like, why? Like, and also it didn't seem like a Wagner thing to do. I mean, yeah, sure. And, but by the end of that storyline, I was just like, did we just need to fill time?

What, what was this? Because it wasn't. Particularly entertaining. It wasn't particularly like [00:32:00] fascinating. It was just like, it just felt like a deep, it just felt like a, like a, a bi busy work storyline. Like we have to have them do something. I mean, fun interoffice pranks. Well, we can't, we couldn't possibly.

Let's see what's going on with Kaya. We couldn't possibly see what's going on. Even with Teddy, I would've taken a teddy update like what the heck's going on with him at, with the byline and, uh, tell him the truth and or like, Alec is mentioned in this episode and we never see him, uh, but apparently he's still hanging out with El Elsbeth.

We still have no idea what the Elsbeth, Marissa cahoots is. Mm-hmm. Like what they're working on together. Um, there were some other things we could have done. With this time. Yeah. I, I just thought the whole, but again, Kings come on the, come on the pod. We love it. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it. Um, I, I just listen, I just don't know how involved either, not the Kings are with Ellsworth anymore.

I, it feels like it, it feels like it's more of [00:33:00] a presented by the Kings, like, it's like, here's our intellectual property. Have fun with that. Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, it, it does, it doesn't have the sharp. Good wife fight, like feel to it at all. So it's fine. It's it's fine. It's fine. Uh, I do, I I I still do find redeeming things within the ELs be of it all.

Yes, I really do. I love the character. I love her smarts. I love how, I love how her brain works and all that. It's just this, this whole Wagner Connor thing just felt like a wasted. Storyline. To me it was like, it was, it didn't really bring anything to me entertaining wise. Yeah. It again, could have left it, although it is nice to see the.

People are also complaining about those tests. That was like really the only thing I was like, oh, ah, relatable. Relatable. Um, yeah. Let's go back to the main Ellsworth storyline that's out of the way. Yeah, yeah. [00:34:00] And of of course, of course. You know, no one wants to see this as like, you know, we're like, oh, it has something to do with the, like, Elsworth is like, let's go to the team, and everyone's like.

Why would we do that? This is obviously a street robbery. Like what do you mean you want to go interview the school? What does the school have to do with it? It's like, Ellsworth again is like, you idiots, duh. Let's go see what this is all about. So of course, Ellsworth comes in immediately brings some things to mind.

She's like, well, the body was cold, but it wasn't like, it doesn't match what the temperature outside was. So something's going on with the cold. We go. We go into the training room and immediately I was like, okay, his key card's in his cubby, how is key card be in here if you know? Because he has to use that to get out.

So obviously someone drug him out. Mm-hmm. That's what that means. She walks into the little training room, she's like, oh, there was some blood on the red part of the logo. Obviously the killer did not. Missed that part of the blood. But like, Nina's like, what is that? Huh? No, I'm like, oh my God. I was just like, it's blood.

Okay. Like, come on [00:35:00] Nina. Come on. Um, so if Kai was here, Kai would know. That's blood. Listen, as an officer, she didn't need to become a detective for that. Yes. So it's like eligible is again, is coming in here and schooling these people, like, no pun intended to be like, you, you here's this, this, this, and this.

So obviously he was killed here while doing his little ice therapy bath. So let's get, let's actually start investigating this as the murder that we know it is. So like she gets now has everybody on the same page. So we're all over the school interviewing people about at the school. I did wonder at first, like could it have been some of the students that we, that we were introduced to earlier, if it wasn't Coach W because almost immediately for me, Peyton is off my mind as a suspect.

Right, right. But like some of the students were kind of Yeah. Bad talk and the coach. Yes, exactly. But again, like what we didn't, we weren't introduced to like any. What does killing your coach benefit you as a [00:36:00] player? You know what I mean? I mean, I guess they would bring in a new coach or, you know, maybe they weren't happy with their playing time.

I mean, we've met Yeah, we've met people with worse, you know, that's motives on this show. That's true. So, so, you know, I I, that, that was a thought, but, you know, coach w was pretty high up there, uh, on my, on my list, coach w as we, we submit this Bill Belichick, um. Dogan, uh, is played by Sam McMurray. Oh, yeah.

He's very much so a veteran character actor. Like you've seen him in like a thousand different things. I think his, his like. The thing he's brought the most was the Tracy Oldman Show back in the day, which we are familiar with Tracy Oldman in these parts. Uh, we've met her before. Is it, was it on here or on The Good Wife?

I think it was on The Good Wife. Yeah. So, so we know about Tracy Oman here on the, in These Good Parts. He was on that show, but. Know, again, just a guy who you've seen, like I've seen him in like a thousand different things, but I cannot name one thing right now that I've seen him on. Yeah. But I know I've seen him on a thousand different things.

I was like, is that, who is that? [00:37:00] Yeah. Like that. And I then I was like, is that a sports guy? You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. I was like, did they bring in a, a sports person for this? I don't know. Yeah. So, of course, you know, Lizabeth is pointing out the fact that, okay. Because everyone wants to pin this on Peyton immediately.

Everyone's like, okay, yeah, it's definitely Pey. It's gotta be Peyton, Peyton and Dave, or beefing, so it's gotta be Peyton. And ELs was like, Elsworth immediate is like, no, it's not Peyton. They're like, what do you mean ELs? Like again, why are y'all doubting Elsman? Elsworth has showed nothing but like Elsman has like a hundred percent success rate.

Do not doubt this woman, but they keep doubting her. She's like, okay, so how would little old Payton. Take Dave out of an ice bath, drag Dave around. Like, little Peyton's not gonna do that. Yeah. They're like, everyone's like, oh, El Smith push paw. She's like, no, for real. Like, who could it have been? Uh, so like, okay, all right, we'll start, we'll, we'll investigate, we'll do these things.

But then we find there was makeup under Dave's armpits. Yes. And so it [00:38:00] must be a woman. Okay. So because. Men cannot wear makeup. It's literally impossible for men to wear makeup. This is where it was not a bill Hick thing. Well, we don't know. I mean, we don't know, but it's definitely another high profile, um, orange Man.

Oh, okay. Specifically has used makeup on his hand to cover up some things. That's where my mind went. I was like, oh. Like, yeah. That's funny. That's funny. Um, because yeah, so we were like, okay, that's the, that's the smoking gun is the makeup under Dave's armpits, which means, uh, which I'm, it's concealer, right?

It, it is a specific type of concealer that is, that Peyton is known to use. So we're like, all right, that's. Like matches when they search the house, they're like, oh, hey look, it's the concealer. And they make the assumption that the concealer is patents because she's the woman using the bathroom. However, it has been Coach W this whole time.

And also, I just gotta say that's gross [00:39:00] because when you put. It on your hand. Who knows what the fricking bacteria is on your hand. And then you put it back in the tiny tube and it's just gonna fester there. And then you were, you didn't even tell her. And she's been putting it on her face, most likely by her eyes.

I'm surprised this woman didn't walk out with a rash or anything. Like, I don't know. But that's what I thought when I was looking at this, I was like, that's pretty gross. Coach w pretty gross. So yeah, we, we, we now see like, okay, make up. Pitts guy, Peyton. We arrest Peyton. Peyton refuses to tell anyone where she was at the time of the murder.

She's like, I, I will not, I will not say where I was. I'll not say what I was doing. So now falls to Elsbeth to figure out what she was doing. So then we find out via this sports show that uh, there was a cab driver or an Uber driver, whatever you wanna call it, that took Peyton to Long Island. So that is now Peyton's alibi for where she was.

[00:40:00] We don't know what she was doing, but she was in Long Island at the time, so she couldn't have done this murder. This is enough to get, uh, to get Peyton out of the who's g which whatever you wanna call it, but Al's breath. Meets the, the, the Uber driver finds out where he took Peyton and at first she rings the doorbell.

Some nice older black lady of like, I don't know who this person you're talking about is. But then Ellsworth notices across the street, there's some guy, there's some kid playing ball. And so thankfully we are spared the, um, interview that Ellsworth does with the kid, but she goes to Peyton and says, okay.

I know where you are and what you were doing. You were visiting a 14-year-old middle schooler that you wanna recruit for this college. And husband's like, I can't believe y'all out here trying to recruit 14 year olds for college. Which is a, is a thing. It's a, it is a hell of a thing. They, they, these coaches, these college coaches trying to grab these kids as early as they can, even younger than 14 years old, honestly.

And [00:41:00] also, we should pay college athlete, but continue. I mean, well, it's gotten better 'cause of that. It has gotten better, but I'm just saying like, there's this entire industry about like bringing people into the college sporting worlds. Yeah. Like if you're gonna do that to a 14-year-old, you could maybe like pay them when they get there.

Yeah. But it's, it's, listen with the, with the, uh. The start of the, you know, the fact that they're able to take endorsement deals has got a lot better called athletes. Yes, that is true. Yes. Um, but it's, it, it is still crazy that, you know, they are making the schools so much money. Yes. But they're not allowed to benefit from that themselves.

But because before they were allowed to take these endorsement deals, the NNIL deals, there are all these rules and, and things about how. You can't give these college athletes anything. Like they are, they are to struggle while making these people billions of dollars. It's wild. So much money. Yeah. I give a whole tangent on that, but, but yeah, so it's literally like Peyton was out there.

By herself recruiting this 14-year-old for the school. So she [00:42:00] knows like this, it kind of shows like she knows a little bit about what she's doing, uh, but also she refuses to reveal that for a couple different reasons. Number one, it's technically illegal. It's technically illegal for her to be doing that.

She's not a true representative of the school, so she could not do that. Also, that would, in, in the media circles, it would be like a whole fiasco where already she's been like. You know, uh, she's spotlighted as having too much to do with the, with the sports program. And if we now find out she's out here recruiting people, no matter how like forthright the recruitment was, it would be a nightmare.

It would be a, you know, publicity nightmare for them. So she's gonna keep quiet. She's not gonna say anything about it. She's gonna like, just roll with it. Uh, so yeah, like p Peyton. Is being uncooperative. She's not gonna give, uh, ELs with anything she hears from Elsbeth about the makeup in the pits, and she's like, eh, whatever.

She doesn't really. She doesn't really, you know Right. Give [00:43:00] any credence to it at first, but then later at home we find out after. Yeah, well after she's been released from the precinct. Mm-hmm. Because she's been held there. She wanted to order sushi to see if it could be delivered. Lizabeth Lake uses it, uses her time wisely.

Gets a little bit more information out of Peyton. And then I was like, yeah, I've already convinced uh, everyone that you've been on Long Island so you can go. And she's like, oh, great, thanks. And then they're going out to dinner that night, and that's when, um, Peyton figures out, someone's been using my concealer.

Well, she sees, yeah, coach w putting the concealer on his hands because gross, he wants, he wants to cover up his age spots on his hands because he's now self-conscious because everyone's been talking about the fact that he's so much older than she is. So now he's self-conscious. So now he's covering it up with concealer and this.

This lets Peyton know. She's like, uh uh. Because again, I liked how they were like, they made Peyton as like, she's no dummy. She, [00:44:00] she can put two and two together. So now Peyton looks at him like, oh, you killed this guy. You did this. And I also liked in the meeting that Ellsworth and Peyton had, where Peyton is kind of like defending her directness of like, well, yeah.

You know, it, it's, you know, that's just my approach. Elwood does say, well, don't you think like, you wouldn't be in this position if you had maybe a better approach. It's, I, I liked how they kind of, both sides did, because neither person was wrong here. It was like, this is my, this is my approach. Deal with it.

If you don't like it, like get over it. That's just, that's just who I am. But also Elsman was like, well, you know, welcome to being a woman. Uh, yeah, I'm surprised they, I was surprised the words like, if I was a man, they wouldn't have a pry with my approach. They didn't say, they didn't say that, but they kind of like.

Alluded to that. Yeah, I mean, it's. It's a big part of my life at least, of like, okay, I have to think how is this person going to receive the information I'm telling them? What tone do I need to use? How do I need to be? When I could say, I could say something in five words and be done with [00:45:00] it, but I have to say something in 1500 words so that they feel good.

You know what I mean? And then it's like, well, if you would've just been direct. And I'm like, it's, it's hard, it's hard to walk that line between the two. And I don't think, you know, as the show's saying, and you're saying like it, I don't think there's any right answer here except for down with the patriarchy, obviously.

Yeah, a hundred percent. Um, and it's, it's in, uh, it's in that conversation with Peyton that we hear about tape gate, which, uh, which you know, is. I'm like, again, I'm just, I was laughing like to myself while watching them, so I'm like, oh my God. They even gave him his own very, very own gait. Right. Because, uh, in the Patriots, in the real life, it was the FLA gate.

Mm-hmm. Where I think actually Tom Brady took most of the blame for this one, where it was like. They were deflating the footballs, the, the Patriots footballs to make it easier for him to throw. That was like the whole scandal [00:46:00] about they were taking air outta the footballs to make it easier to throw. It was all, it was a thing that dominated sports headlines for probably a good year because you know, when you're a successful franchise.

They'll take anything to like take you down. I'm not defending them at all. I just wanna say that like, but anything they can, they can use to make you look like you're cheating, they'll do. And apparently the tape gate was that the, whoever it was, the assistant coach apparently took the blame for this.

But it was found that the team was bugging the opposition's locker rooms to get like some info and some dirt. So this gives Ellsworth her big. Bing epiphany moment in the episode. So she goes back to the school's locker room and is looking and is having like the people look for bugs. She has Nina there.

She's like, she's like just pantomiming to Nina. Like Elizabeth loves to do pretend act natural. There's might be a bug. So then we find the bug. And we find out that it [00:47:00] was Coach W putting bugs in the locker room. So it's like, hmm. Obviously someone's been bugging the things and why, you know, why would he do that?

He would do that to find out which players and staff were talking crap about, uh, the coach. We also hear that. One of the players talks to his other player because Coach W's alibi is that he was with a player watching tape at the top. Mm-hmm. That, uh, Dave was murdered. So we also hear one player talk to another player about the fact that, hey, coach wanted me to give him an alibi, but.

That's not what we were doing at all. Well, not just give him an alibi, but lie like, just like he is, like Coach wanted me to lie to say that we were watching tape when we weren't, and then Mr. Basketball player slash soon to be probably officer on the Elsbeth. Something or other. Um, it's like, what? Oh, tell me [00:48:00] more.

Like mm-hmm. Like, try, let me try to get some more information from you. Yeah. We also find out, because Lizabeth, the confronts, uh, coach and Peyton that, uh, Peyton and, and the coach got married. They, they, they listen, they, yeah. Yeah. So just to like, put the timeline of events here. So it was like. Oh, you're using my concealer.

Oh, concealer. You killed the guy. Totally. Let's go to dinner. Hey, you wanna get married next day? Look, we got married. Boom. Yeah. This is not a Bill Belichick connection though. I don't think these two people, people are. No, not this part. Not this part. Yeah. Uh, kinda you could just imagine the scene, right, of like, they're at dinner.

She's like, so listen, I know that you killed Dave. Um, so if you don't want me to, you know. Turn you in. Yeah. You're going to marry me. We're not, we're obviously not gonna have a prenup. So, uh, that's, you don't want me to testify against you, do you? Because, you know, if I'm married to you, I can claim your spousal privilege.

Can't testify against you. So I, I only imagined that's what the conversation was. So then they got [00:49:00] married immediately at city Hall. So now she is Mrs. Willoughby. Mm-hmm. She's now Mrs. Peyton Willoughby. Um, and so, yeah, like now all the things wrong into place. Uh. Coach w hears the two teammates talk about the fact that, hey, do you think maybe coach could have done this?

Like, huh, this is weird. This is, uh, this is odd. And we also hear him talk about the makeup and they wonder if like, could coach have been doing that? We don't know. Uh, did he frame his girlfriend? Who knows? Mm-hmm. And now, so now coach knows that, you know, this is, this is out there, this is, this is known. Uh, people are thinking this.

Yeah. Uh, yeah. And so it gets to the point where Elle's Beth is like gonna do her big reveal. She's been banned from the like athletic center, the promise or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. She's been banned from here because she's harassing the like staff and they have serious business to do here. So it's time of war game.

Coach Wilby is given his, like, we're all thinking about Dave, like, [00:50:00] really, let's go out and win it. There is a mascot in the room for this entire conversation. I'm like, oh, I wonder where Elsbeth could be. Yeah, right. Where could she be? She's right there. The mascot itself was interesting because the mascot, they had a, they had a former mascot, but just like in today's sports world, there are a lot of older mascots, older terms for team names that are.

Rightly in a lot of cases, yeah. Seen as offensive to certain cultures, to certain, uh, peoples. As a graduate of the University of Illinois, I live this life very, very much. Uh, I'm trying to think of what the, what the thing was. What, what was the offensive thing? So they're known as the FO fighting a line, and we, our mascot was a chief.

Oh, and okay. It was made even worse because the chief was played by a white man who said he went to go learn the dance from Native Americans. Oh. And then when he did a toe touch, I [00:51:00] did not believe that that is where that dance came from. And so then, um, like at least when I was in school, there was a big protest.

The chief is no longer part of like U of I iconic, like. Iconography or like does not no longer do the dance, but there's such a stronghold at the University of Illinois of people who are like identified with the fighting Allina that they cannot change the name. But there are students. I just went back to visit recently.

There's students on the quad like protesting to become the squirrels. Okay. So, so, you know, like I would take, I would take that trade in a heartbeat. I think that would be so fun. Um, but I don't think the people who give money to the university are actually like, those are the ones that unfortunately hold this decision, um, in their hands.

So it's not always easy to get a thingy. Yeah, because we passed out here, we did find out earlier in the episode, because of this, the school decided to put the [00:52:00] naming of the mascot and the new, like the new thing into the hands of the students, which is a mistake. You should not do that because the students will come with, with stupid things, uh, namely.

Thingy. I will never forget. There was, I, I, it was some foreign thing. I forgot that they decided to let people vote on a name for a boat and the boat turned into Bodie McBoatface because like, it's so great though. It's, you're not gonna forget it. I mean, like, I would totally take the fight and squirrels, or we were thinking, like when I was in school, one of the names was like the Prairie Fire.

Like yeah, that's why with a z. I don't know. That's why you don't leave it in the hands of 20 year olds. Okay. Um, so yeah, now the mascot is like, it's called thingy. And what was it? It was, was it like a, a, a fist hold, a peace sign? Was that what it was? It was. So there was a body, right? There was a body there, hands and legs.

And then there was a giant circle head and with two like fingers, like a peace sign coming outta the head. Um, don't really know. [00:53:00] But that's what, where Elizabeth was hiding. When after coach gives the speech, everything, he's like, okay, let's go get him. The team leaves. And you can see him put the consumer in one of the student's bags.

And again, this isn't a. Thing where Elizabeth has proof, like before the arrest or anything like that, she basically has to watch this man plant evidence and have her friends nearby to be like, aha, you did it. You just planted evidence. We're gonna take you on that and go from there. So I, I think we're seeing more and more of that in terms of her quote unquote reveals.

It's not gonna be like, we have all this proof. It's gonna probably be like, look, you're trying, you're trying to hide yourself. And that's where she says like, it's not the crime, it's the cover because it's concealer. Get it.

Um. Yeah. So, hey, like, and you know, Ellsworth does what Ellsworth does. She, you know, lays it all out for, for coaching [00:54:00] and why he did it and how he did it and all this. She pantomimes all the stuff she did that he did. Uh, and Peyton tells her like, Hey, I really like your, like confrontational style. You should lead into that.

You should, you should use that more. Uh, which, you know, which prompts Elsbeth because earlier in the episode. Ellizabeth, uh, one of the, one of the, like gossip rags had misspelled Elizabeth's name, uh, in a, in a story about Ellizabeth and Alec. And she was like, oh, it's okay. I won't, I won't, you know, call them and, and make 'em, make 'em, uh, correct it.

Even after Waner said, well, you know, you could just email, email them and get them to, to correct it. She's like, no, it's fine. I don't wanna worry about it. But because Peyton told Ellsworth more confrontational, ELLs Smith calls a hotline for the, for the magazine and tells him to spell her name. Right.

Dang it. Yeah, I mean like, and she was throughout the episode as well, like introducing herself like, hi, I'm Elsbeth with a B. Mm-hmm. Like, Liza with a Z. And I was like, oh, Elsbeth, no one's gonna get that, but yes. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Um, so yeah, [00:55:00] that was, that was the wrap up on this one. We did get, we did get that interesting like, uh.

Tag on the end of the episode where we find out that four, four and a half years later, I was like, wow, we are like really fast. Flash forwarding here, we find out that uh, Peyton has become a creator of her own cosmetics line. It is a non smudge. She has a non smudge concealer. I guess because she learned from this case about she just things should not be smudging and we also find out that Peyton has not moved on to another older man in Lindsey Graham.

First of all, first of all, if anything good comes out of this world, that would not be a possibility in four years. Let's just say that. Um, also very interesting because of, do you know the Lindsey Graham. Um, somewhat. Please refresh my memory. Uh, he is, he has a, like a, I forget what his [00:56:00] nickname is, but there is talk about his sexual identity.

Yeah. Multiple times. And he's also, is he con confirm bachelor? Yes, exactly. Yes. He's a con confirmed bachelor. He like turned on his best friend, John McCain. And is like besties with Trump. So there's, if, if the very warm McAllister feel, if you, if you remember our, uh, gilded Age conference? Yes, very much so.

Very much so. It's so, I mean, I can see, I could see Peyton kind of just like, she's definitely ambitious and she's basically using. Men as a resource to get like what she needs in the power and in the circle. Listen, I can't say like, I can't say that men didn't do to get to where they are. So yeah, listen, she's a clout chaser, but you know, sometimes, you know, sometimes you gotta that you gotta, that's, it's you being an ambitious clout chaser and it's fine.

Uh, get it how you can get it. That's what I always say. Um, but yeah, that was the episode. Um, you know. It was, it was interesting for many reasons. I mean, fascinating for me [00:57:00] specifically that they are just, they are basically like calling out Bill Belichick, like to his, like, it, it's just extremely thinly veiled, uh, attack on Bill Belichick.

Uh, well thank you for drawing the connection for me because this episode did get a lot more interesting throughout our podcast. Yeah. I'm so excited when we came on, I. Do you know why this is interesting? And you're like, no. Nice. I was like, yes. I can't wait to like, you know, mansplain sports to Marissa and to our audience for those, well, you know, the, the parallel, which I thought was extreme.

Fascinating. Gotta, we gotta let you, you know. We gotta let you be a man sometimes, you know? Yeah. It's very helpful. Very helpful. Um, if the man splitting lives on. Yes, a hundred percent. So that was our episode, uh, for this week. Uh, hope you'll join us next week for Elsbeth, uh, C3, episode nine. Um, Marissa, uh, tell the good folks where they can, uh, where they can find you on the internet, what you're doing.

Uh, the internet. You can find me at it's meme mercy she.com, where I have links to all of the podcasts that I'm on, including this one. [00:58:00] Did you know if you're watching us on YouTube that we have an audio version? Did you know if you're listening on our audio version that we have a PO or a video version?

What do you know? We're everywhere? Um, so you can find links there as well as to my other podcasts, including previous Little Liars over on whirlwind podcasts where I'm watching. Pretty Little Liars one previously on at a time, and then also the USS Sisterhood where my sister and I are watching Star Trek, the Next Generation, which a new batch will be coming to the feed.

During winter break, so just, okay. Okay. Um, but Jason, what are you up to these days? Are we still, like, what's, what's it like on the love and marriage side of, of reality television? Yeah, so, uh, we are ra we have wrapped up season 19 of married to first sight. Uh, but we're still dealing some aftermath. I did have a interview that I, I did solo by myself.

With, uh, with Pat from Mary First Sight Season 19. That was a fun, interesting interview. Gave some great behind the scenes, uh, stuff about the [00:59:00] show and what was going on with him and his relationship with El Rhonda. So you'll find that, you'll find that over on the Love at First Sight Feed, uh, with my podcast, the perfect match.

So I'll go check it out. It's on YouTube, it's on audio, so check it out. We also have a Patreon, uh, affiliate affiliated with the Perfect Match Podcast. We go to patreon.com/perfect Match podcast. You'll find it there. We talk about older seasons, we do rankings, we do a lot of fun stuff. So come check me out over there when you get a chance.

Uh, that's it for me. That's it for Marissa. Until next time, stay good.

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