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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. I'm beyond excited to share today's interview with you. So I'll be sitting down with arguably one of my absolute favorite people to talk to, and that's doctor David Martin. And he's not just my favorite person.
Seth Holehouse:He seems to be your favorite person as well. Because whenever I sit down with him and do an interview, it seems to go mega viral because everyone just keeps sharing it. And the message of today's discussion is an incredibly important message. It's not about who's gonna win in 2024. It's not about the death and destruction of the vaccines.
Seth Holehouse:It's about what comes next. It's about what we talk about and what we describe, what David intricately paints a picture of that is the greatest renaissance humanity has ever seen, which is what he and actually with myself as well, what we see comes next. And it's a process of getting there. It's a process of this old system dying and collapsing. And us, we the people rebuilding something that is far greater than we could ever imagine.
Seth Holehouse:And it's about the reality of that and how real it actually is. So folks, please enjoy this interview with doctor David Martin. David, I have to say it is such a pleasure to have you back on the show. You're one of my absolute favorite guests, and audience tends to agree. I mean, you're as we was talking about, I think our last interview got over a million views, and it's was going everywhere.
Seth Holehouse:So just thank you. I know you're busy. Thank you for making the time to be here with us today.
Speaker 2:It is an honor, Seth. I so enjoy the fellowship we have, and I'm grateful that we have a chance to catch up again.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. So there's a handful of things I wanna talk about. But my favorite thing with you is that we just start somewhere and go. And I like how we get to this. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Not even the hundred thousand foot view. It's like the million foot view. And the last time, you know, we were, you know, doing a discussion like this, the overall theme was how basically, the cabal is already dead and that we're experiencing the the breaths of a dying monster. Well, we talked about the 300 video. We're experiencing the sliding of a lifeless rhinoceros corpse as it approaches.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And so
Seth Holehouse:But looking at where we're at right now in 2024, and looking at the border, looking at the, you know, some close to say 30,000,000 illegals that have come in, the crime, the, you know, persecution of Trump, the, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars in fines. Like, it it still feels like that beast is alive and well, and that it's it's it's rearing its ugly head here in America. And so I I think that one of the themes I wanna really hone in on in today's discussion is from your perspective and your, you know, that that, you know, million foot view, what is the next year to look like? I mean, how do we get from where we are right now to that place where we can look back and say, the the the last breath was taken, and now there's just this Yeah. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Rotting corpse. So I'll hand it hand it over to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, I I remind people that that if we if we have any view of history and we think about king George in the seventeen seventies, the impulse for our revolution, you know, certainly was brewing for a while, but we we can put 1774 as kind of the start date. That's when that's when the radicals said, you know, enough of is enough. We've been part of this thing for too long. And so if we use 1774 as a convenient point of departure, at least for the argument that said that's when we started the revolution, it's important to realize that we didn't officially end conflict with Britain until 1815.
Speaker 2:Now there's a lot of people who think that, you know, somewhere between the George Washington paintings with him, you know, with Pfeif and Drum and and maybe Crossing the Delaware and and and those kinds of things that that maybe somewhere along the line, you know, we actually prevailed. But the truth is that that we actually didn't prevail. You know, it wasn't until the treaty of Ghent at the end of the war of eighteen twelve that we actually got to the conclusion of what became what Tocqueville described as the American experiment. So let's just say for the sake of argument that in the best assessment you can make of our independence, it was forty years. Forty years.
Speaker 2:And let's also remind everyone that during the vast majority of those forty years, the vast majority of Americans, and by that, I mean people living in North America, were loyalists. The vast majority of them. It was not a consensus of, you know, revolutionaries. Revolutionaries were the minority, and they remained the minority for quite a long time, certainly well into the seventeen nineties. So so however you slice this, Seth, you know, on the best analysis we have, we're maybe one tenth of the way through the revolution.
Speaker 2:And, you know, I've often said, you know, we're barely to Gettysburg, you know, and and and if we think about the the the winter, we think about the fact that during that winter, we had such an amazing, amazing loss of life and of morale. You don't have Benedict Arnold without, you know, the that wonderful introspection of, you know, while we while we love to criticize him as a traitor, we we actually fail to understand. He was asking for accountability. He was asking for his troops to get paid. He was asking for the Continental Congress to to honor the obligations they made.
Speaker 2:You know, we we hang him as a traitor, you know, for legitimate reasons. But we actually don't write the history very correctly because the fact of the matter is Benedict Arnold was also a guy who was actually a phenomenal phenomenal military leader and was probably, in many respects, one of the most respectful when it came to making sure that the men he pressed into service were compensated. So, you know, I I I make those references because I feel like we're maybe in Philadelphia in 1780 right now or 1782. That doesn't mean that King George had a viable empire. It means that the inertia of history had its course altered.
Speaker 2:But like turning an aircraft carrier, it doesn't happen on a dime, but it doesn't happen without the first turn of the wheel. And our our metaphor of the rhino has lived very well. As you know, the ONS in in Britain has just had to rebrand excess deaths because they have to now rebrand what it means to die. Well, that's a that's a symbol of the dying dying rhino. Right?
Speaker 2:That's that's a symbol of the end of the era. We have, for the very first time, a large scale published clinical trial in mainstream media that actually says, oh my gosh. The shots really did have myocarditis and had a bunch of other immune response risks. You know, this slow water torture drip, drip, drip, drip, drip is the winter of Valley Forge. You know, it's it's it's these kind of horrific moments in time when when you have the the length and the breadth of conflict where people sit back and say, but clearly, it must be over.
Speaker 2:It must be over. It must be over. And the answer is, well, no. It's not over except for the obvious fact that, in fact, it is over. And this is the point I made on the last show.
Speaker 2:We were supposed to all bend the knee. Remember that in nineteen o four and again in 1913, Rockefeller made the statement that he wanted a population of laborers, not thinkers. You know what he got? A hundred years later, a population of laborers, not thinkers. Now does it mean that we have now suddenly had an a a renaissance of human thought?
Speaker 2:Does it mean that we are suddenly fully illumined? The answer is clearly no. But have we altered the course of history where we are actually now stimulating the minds of people to think differently, to see a different reality? And the answer to that is yes. And so that's why I'm very confident that, yep, you know what?
Speaker 2:This is the this is the Valley Forge moment. This is the long night of the soul moment. This is all of those things. And and we will in fact see, as we look back in history, we will see that the rhino in fact was already dead, still lumbering, still thrashing about, but definitely dead. And I said Gettysburg at the beginning.
Speaker 2:I meant Valley Forge. You know what I meant.
Seth Holehouse:So it's almost like another way of looking at another analogy. So I I love analogies and metaphors. It especially with complex problems like the fight against the global elite that wants us all dead. I mean, how do you how do you put that into something? And so one way I almost look at it is almost like, say that rhino or this beast.
Seth Holehouse:Say you you've it's it's been injected with a poison. That poison might take ten years for that poison to actually stop the heart finally. Yep. But there's no antidote, and the poison's already been injected. And so as soon as it's injected, you can say this thing is is basic it's already dead, because there's no way to reverse its course.
Seth Holehouse:And so what you're looking at here when you come to this assessment, which I think is really important, is that looking back at the cycles of history and what's happened, and looking at happens when momentum shifts, when when there there's that shift in the crowd. And that's just the very beginning of it. The the loss of the the control over the narrative. All these different elements that that you've talked about that show you that this rhinoceros is already dead. That you're seeing that it's like, as you mentioned, the airplane.
Seth Holehouse:Right? That the turn has started. The course is now altered. Yep. That like, if if if we were gonna end up in agenda twenty thirty as they planned, we would already be on a different course for that, but we're not.
Seth Holehouse:Like, we're already on the course that is headed towards the the destination of that agenda failing and of the collapse of this global system. Yep. And so it's really helpful, think, for people to understand this because we're used to instant gratification. Like, we're used to, oh, we need more toilet paper. I'll go into Amazon and, you know, this evening toilet paper arrives at the front door.
Seth Holehouse:We're we have this the fast food mentality, especially here in America, where if you want furniture, you you don't you don't take two months to handcraft a piece of furniture. You go on to Amazon or you go somewhere, and it shows up the next day. That's just how we are. But I think it's really important to look at this and say that this process could take ten, twenty more years. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Because it's important. Because if George Washington was telling his troops, don't worry folks, the war's gonna be over in about two weeks. They would've been, okay, great. They would've got there to that two week point, the war wasn't over, they would've lost all hope, and after three weeks, they probably would've abandoned. But if you say, look, this might take a couple of years, but we're gonna see it through, and we're gonna win, it changes them around.
Seth Holehouse:This this goes back to Viktor Frankl, man's search for meaning. Yes. About understanding that the duration is something, and if you think it's gonna end very quickly, and you frame yourself around that, but it just doesn't doesn't doesn't you lose hope in everything. But if you set yourself up, if they would have told the the prisoners in camps, this will last for five years, and then it will end Yeah. They probably would have had double, triple the survival rate than the people who thought, when's it gonna end?
Seth Holehouse:So that's that's how I understand what you're you're saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I think I think this is an important conversation. I get as you know, I get criticized many times for the fact that, you know, I've been probably the longest at the coal face in terms of fighting the the tyranny of this system. I mean, listen. People people who do their conspiratorial Davis part of, you know, some form of some nefarious group, you know, go back and look at things like my Notre Dame climate change conference presentation, or they go back and look at what I did for the European Union and the government of Britain's foresight program back in the early two thousand tens, late '2 thousand '8, '9, '10 period.
Speaker 2:And and they go, oh my gosh. He was he was, you know, making presentations and speeches in in these places, and the word climate change was there. Therefore, Dave Martin must be a climate change advocate. And the answer is I actually, prior to the first Copenhagen summit, published a paper that was an actually published in Der Spiegel, where I pointed out that all of the technologies being advocated for climate change had already come off patent, meaning that they were more than 20 years old in the 02/2008, '2 thousand '9 time frame. So this is prior to Copenhagen.
Speaker 2:And and you sit back and say, well, hold on a minute. You mean climate change is not a Greta Thornburg, WEF, UN agenda 2030 thing? And and the answer is no. I mean, if you go back and you look in the nineteen seventies, the Carter administration said that we were at peak oil, that we were going to need to actually transition. And so the patents on hydrogen powered cars and on fuel cells and on all of these kinds of very elaborate electronic electric vehicle technologies, Those patents were filed in the nineteen seventies, Seth.
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Speaker 2:And by the early two thousands, they were all public domain. And the point that I made in the Der Spiegel article, if anybody who who bothers to look in, you know, their conspiratorial Google late night sessions trying to find the motivation of David Martin, you can actually see that the presentation I made going into Copenhagen was we're gonna have to have a collapse of our industrial commercial model. And the reason for that was very simple. Our current investment model, our current business model in The United States and all the civilized world is that we have intellectual property patent protection to cover the investments required to go into business and make various things that ultimately have innovation value. Tiny little problem, Seth.
Speaker 2:When all those patents are in the public domain, we don't have proprietary rights anymore. We don't have market incentives. We don't have any of the tools that the industrial economy relies on to actually go into motion. So I don't care who you are. The reason why Tesla very famously, quote, donated all of its patents, and Elon Musk was celebrated for donating his patents to the world is because they were invalid.
Speaker 2:They were invalid patents because he had double patented stuff that had been patented as early as the late eighteen hundreds when we first made electric vehicles. So so anybody who's sitting there going, oh my gosh, you know, he's saying that the world's coming to an end. No. What I'm saying is the systems of the world, and this is the very precise point we have to get to. The systems of the world have failed.
Speaker 2:That's not a maybe they'll recover kind of thing. They have failed. The patent proprietary system, the equity venture capital tax incentive system, the the socialist system that Roosevelt put in place in the nineteen thirties called Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and all of the stuff we see now hemorrhaging support for the illegal migration. These systems have failed. That's not a Dave Martin hunch.
Speaker 2:That's the nothing but evidence conclusion. Now, having declared that they have failed doesn't mean that the collapsing effect and the collateral damage and the seismic shifts that take place as a result of that collapse, that doesn't mean all those things are over. In fact, to the contrary
Seth Holehouse:It just started.
Speaker 2:Got more troubling times to come because, like I said, the dead animals still thrash about. I'll piss off everybody who's anti hunter. But when I was on a farm in Pennsylvania, we actually had a snapping turtle invasion of our pond. And snapping turtles are fine, except sometimes they're a pest that actually gets in the way of of the other animals in the farm. And so famously, one summer, we shot a snapping turtle.
Speaker 2:And for three days, Seth, you could go to the dead snapping turtle and put a stick next to its mouth, and its mouth would still clamp down hard enough to break the stick. Now the turtle was definitely not vibrant. The turtle was definitely not alive, and the turtle was definitely not doing turtle ish kinds of things anymore. But the snapping nature of its essence as a snapping turtle was not exterminated the moment the bullet went through its body. It was exterminated after several days of still snapping its jaws.
Speaker 2:What's the point? The point is the end of an era doesn't mean the immediate emergence of the next era in its purest form. It means that we're in the messiness of the demolition phase, and not surprisingly, we have to begin the reconstruction phase. Now the reconstruction phase is where I'm spending all of my time and energy right now Because I think if people of good conscience and of good moral fortitude are the ones who architect what comes next, we have a better shot at a better outcome.
Seth Holehouse:So it's it's like a belief or this perspective that there's a golden era coming. Yeah. And it's it's interesting because one of my other guests I really enjoyed talking with is Martin Armstrong. And he's just he's just a he's a brilliant guy. He's a genius.
Seth Holehouse:And his his Socrates system and not just him, but, you know, people like, say, Charles Niner or folks that understand cycles or even Cliff High, kind of interesting conversations with him. You have brilliant minds in their own rights. There seems to be this unanimous perspective that as Martin Armstrong kinda says that by, say, 2030 to 2032, his predictions is that every government across the world will have collapsed by then. And and that's that system. It's that system that has to collapse, and it seems very scary because it is.
Seth Holehouse:Like, even a if you live in prison, well, as long as there's electricity and some you know, there's there's food every day, you're still alive. But if if the prison collapses, that could lead to a lot worse conditions than
Speaker 2:Yep.
Seth Holehouse:If the prison's up. I also think that there's a lot of us that are saying, I'd rather die risking, you know, making the prison collapse and escaping and having true freedom. And so when you look ahead, and this is this is what I think is a very interesting and important point. When you look ahead to that rebuilding phase, what do you see? And then that's the question, but I wanna then add one more thing with this because
Speaker 2:Yep.
Seth Holehouse:A if you look at Hollywood, you look at the books, the movies, the the things that are given to us to shape our thoughts and our perspective of the world, almost every single example that shows us the future is Hunger Games, Terminator. It's dark. It's dystopian. And Yeah. I I believe it's absolutely intentional because the these elite, they know the power of vision.
Seth Holehouse:Just like Olympic athletes know it. They know they can improve their high jump just by visualizing it over and over and over again, and how, you know, the brain can't tell the difference. And so when all of us are thinking, what's life like in ten years or twenty years, and all we see is Blade Runner and Hunger Games and Mad Max. It's it's really difficult for us to have hope and to find the courage and the energy to get through the phase that we are right now. And so this is why I think that that what you're talking about is creating this vision of the future that's worth fighting for.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. Creating a vision of the future that we would just jump with joy at the opportunity to live in, let alone our children and our grandchildren. What does that look like
Speaker 2:to Oh my gosh. So first of all, Martin Armstrong, absolutely brilliant, spot on. And and you couldn't probably put a a a piece of, you know, cellophane between the perspectives that he and I share with respect to the collapse of systems. I think he's an amazingly effective voice. He is very thoughtful in terms of the data that he's observed and how he processes information, think is absolutely brilliant.
Speaker 2:And I have said 2028, I know he's looking at the 02/1930 to 02/1932. The only reason I've said 2028 is because I believe that the collapse of the socialist experiment around Medicare and Medicaid, which Roosevelt put into motion in the 1930s. I think that is the illiquidity event that we can't survive in our current form. If we look at the intersection and this is where we're going to lay some COVID narrative into this thing. If we look at the intersection, the long dated asset purchasers, life insurance companies, pensions, annuities, those kinds of organizations rely on life insurance premiums as a means of preserving liquidity in long dated asset purchases.
Speaker 2:The real problem with the excess deaths of the eighteen to forty four year old working population is that these organizations that depend as their lifeblood on the steady drip feed of life insurance premiums are actually paying out claims before they've actually been able to hold on to the money and make money for a very long period of time. The only reason life insurance works is that you pay a tax every year into an organization that has very little transparency. They make a lot of money with the promise of when you die giving you some of that money back. That's the the whole racket of life insurance ever since the Scottish, you know, invented the idea of the widows and orphans fund back in the eighteen hundreds. So the fact of the matter is we're we're in a situation where the long dated asset buyers, which are these pensions, life insurances, and annuities, are gonna have an interesting problem because they're gonna go to refinance their debt exactly at the same time that the federal government will have no money to be pumping into the system.
Speaker 2:And the 2028 time horizon is is very specific because that's when the Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid trust fund officially goes to zero. Now when that trust fund goes to zero, that doesn't mean Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid die instantly, but they it does mean that the treasury and long dated by long dated, I mean thirty year or greater than fifteen years securities issued by the Fed and the Treasury and other organizations that manufacture debt and debt debt like instruments, those things are going to actually be underwater, meaning that they will have negative value. Now the banks, as we already know, already have reserves that are underwater, which is the reason why we had the event with Silicon Valley Bank. And we had so many other banks that are already zombie banks. They they if they had true mark to market value on their liquidity, they'd be dead right now.
Speaker 2:And that's probably the bank that you have your money in. That every bank, no matter what bank you're talking about, currently has a misstated asset balance sheet, and that misstatement is gonna come to roost in 2028. So I I use 2028 as a time horizon not for, you know, a subjective reason. I have a very objective reason why we have a maturity date on long dated assets, which we cannot currently manufacture a way to get out of. Historically, Seth, the only way we've gotten out of this problem in the past is war and it has to be a world war.
Speaker 2:Can't just be a conflict. It has to be a full world war. We tried to use in early two thousand one. We tried to use the Afghan and Iraqi and all of those conflicts to try to mask the last illiquidity. And all we were really able to do is kick the can down the road because even though we had the illiquidity event of 02/2001, there's no question that because of the conflicts that we engendered in The Middle East, we were able to create shorter duration assets.
Speaker 2:But 2028 comes unfortunately at a maturity date that we do not have a current pathway to survive. And if you think anybody in congress and by the way, if you think anyone who's standing for election for the White House even knows what I'm talking about, god forbid understands it, but even knows what I'm talking about, you're you're overestimating the intellect of the people standing. So the the issue is we've got a world falling apart and nobody who's an adult at the helm. What does that mean? That means that we have an inevitability, whether Martin Armstrong is right and he kicks that to 02/1930 or February, I'm right and it's 2020, it actually doesn't matter because here's the point.
Speaker 2:The point is we have an amazing, beautiful story to tell, and that is not the not the survival story of Noah's Ark. I have suggested that what we need right now is an armada of arcs strategy. What do I mean by an armada of arcs? Well, what I mean is very simple. We have by any count, four good years, kind of like Joseph's prophecy in Egypt.
Speaker 2:We have four good years left. And if we go back and we look at the story of Joseph and we say, hey, how was it that Joseph was able to get people to participate in, you know, agriculture projects and urban projects and and infrastructure projects and all this kind stuff? How was he able to do that? Well, he was able to do that by painting a picture, in his case of avoiding a famine. So he used a negative stimulus and he got the whole of Egypt and we could go as far as to say preserve the the whole of the Levant at the time.
Speaker 2:He preserved them from dying from the famine. So he used the negative narrative, and it worked. What happens, Seth, if we have the audacity to use a positive narrative? What if we have the audacity of saying that maybe a group of us, you know, remember 1944, Bretton Woods, the birthplace of the World Health Organization, the birthplace of the United Nations, the birthplace of the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. What if a 50 of us got together?
Speaker 2:I don't care. Bretton Woods or Charlottesville, Virginia or Miami, Florida or wherever we got together. What if a 44 of us got together and said, over the next four years, we're gonna build an armada of arts. We're gonna make sure that we have a humanity preserving strategy that's not based on fear of loss. It's based on being the architects of a better future, being the architects of a place that a 44 people get together and have the audacity of saying, what if we actually had a cleaner way to deal with hydrocarbons?
Speaker 2:What if we had a more effective way of recycling plastics so that we don't have microplastics killing our water systems? What if we had a better health system that was not based on injecting people with modified RNA, but was based on making sure nutrition and lifestyle and these kinds of things were addressed. What if we actually did that? And what if just like the summer of nineteen forty four for thirty days, a group of a 44 people got together and said, we're gonna architect a world based on a beautiful narrative of humanity. Now that sounds like a pretty simple thing to do.
Speaker 2:It really does. It sounds so simple that it's actually doable. And this is not something where we want to be the Rockefeller of nineteen o four going, well, I want the next hundred years to be a bunch of people docile enough to be conformed into my labor vision. No. This is actually humans sitting down saying, what would the best of humanity look like, and how do we build a system to get there?
Speaker 2:And what I want to encourage everybody to think about is the end of this era is to be celebrated. And are you ready for this? Potentially even accelerated. What if part of our energy was using the collapse in our favor? Rather than lamenting the systems that are going, what if we harness them and harness the energy of their collapse to actually structure something that was new and vibrant and worth pursuing?
Speaker 2:And this set for me is my passion now. My passion is to say it's not even that much of a vision. It's actually really simple. It's really simple to think about a world where we don't spend the first twenty years of the new era talking about eugenics, which is exactly what led to the World Health Organization's formation. The Carnegie Eugenics Office at Cold Spring Harbor Labs, the Rockefeller Eugenics Office funded with over a hundred and $80,000,000 going into all kinds of efforts to make sure that education and health care were hijacked so that only the are you ready for this?
Speaker 2:The approved could live. Right? That's what the old system was built on. Why would we celebrate that system? Why would we lament its passing?
Speaker 2:I got a great idea. As the mRNA injections are the modern sacrifice of the children to the Molek death gods, why don't we, as people of conscience and people of goodwill, offer an alternative narrative? It feels like the only thing to do.
Seth Holehouse:I think it's one of the most important things that we can do Because again, this is this is interesting because if you look at the Chinese, right now, I'm fascinated by Chinese history, and my wife and I Yeah. We're almost done with this, like, probably a hundred hour series of the three kingdoms where you're watching the warring states and the rise and fall of Cao Cao and Liu Bei, and and you're looking at how they think multi generational. It's it's Yeah. It's fascinating. But if you look at this, it it's interesting because I think for a lot of folks, they've been asleep for a very long time and just watching NFL football and whatever it is.
Seth Holehouse:And now that, you know, COVID, I think, stirred a lot of people from that slumber. Now they're freaking out. June of twenty thirty and depopulation, and they're really focused on that. There's also, I think, a subset of people that see that, but they're also seeing, like, what you've talked about. They're seeing the patterns.
Seth Holehouse:They're seeing the cycles of history. They're seeing that this there is this collapse, and you're right. There is so much energy in a collapse. Think about a building collapsing. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:How much potential inertia? How much potential kinetic energy is in that collapse?
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Seth Holehouse:And being able to take that and funnel it into something now, not waiting until ten years from now where you say, okay, it's done. What are we gonna do? But planning it right now, I think, is is so important. And so what is what does that life look like? Does it and it's like it's really important because I I'm a big I'm a big believer in the power of visualization Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:And how it affects us at a cellular level. So for someone that is living in America, say, in in twenty years, and and it's on the other side of this. Right? It's almost like saying, does life look like before and after the revolution? Right?
Seth Holehouse:So except right now, it's not just that, oh, King George is no longer reaching into our pockets. There's no longer red coats that are, you know, doing the things that they're doing. It's actually if you look at all the systems that represent that beast, it's the education system. It's science. Science is hijacked a long time ago.
Seth Holehouse:It's the medical system. It's our government. It's entertainment. It's media. It's it's everywhere.
Seth Holehouse:So when that system dies, from my perspective, life on the other side that looks almost nothing like what life looks like right now. Yeah. Looks nothing like it. The the the taxation, the the satanic, the Luciferian agenda being pushed into every crevice of our society. So to visualize that, let's say that you're an average American and and you were you were that you were on the right course of history and you chose the right path and you're moral and you wanted to protect your children and build a future for them twenty years from now.
Seth Holehouse:What would what does life look like for you?
Speaker 2:Well, I I like to use the reference of the back to the future movie just because there's a scene that's worth imagining, which is when at the end of the movie, Doc Brown comes back from the future, and he has mister fusion on the roof of his DeLorean. And he puts banana peels in it, and he puts a a can, I think it was a tab, if I recall correctly? The the very famous beverage that never really got off the ground, but there were a few people that I think remember that one. He he puts a couple things in the few in in the car, and and he says to Marty and Marty's girlfriend, he goes, get in the car. It's not about you.
Speaker 2:It's about your kids. And that and that's how they that so the end, they don't need roads anymore. They go off and they fly away in the door and then the and then the movie ends. I would say, Seth, there's a couple of things. And I use a very, very, very simple tool, my integral accounting tool I use to help describe the future.
Speaker 2:In in twenty years, we could live in a world where everything that we needed to have mined out of the earth, we already have on the surface of the earth. We we don't need to actually produce more energy. We need to actually have ways of using the energy that's in production. Imagine if you could taking these terrifyingly microplastics that you hear about in water and actually taking those plastics out of water using a very simple device that would be in your house about the size of a microwave where you could actually filter water, take the hydrocarbons out of that water, and use those hydrocarbons to fuel the energy requirements you have. So rather than dying of microplastics, what if we saw a world where the fact that they're in every water supply means that we have ubiquitous energy?
Speaker 2:That's not a what if. We already have that technology in the company that I'm building right now. So imagine that your energy comes from the stuff that you already have. You stop using the term waste, which was a term that was invented to support a consumer extinction model, which was the only capitalist model that Adam Smith could think about. What if waste was not waste?
Speaker 2:It was just the phase of energy that you used it in, and now you transform that into a different phase. And and the fact of the matter is that's not a hard thing to do. It's actually simple, but it's not recycling in the old model of the nineteen seventies where we go from clear plastic bottles to park benches. It's where we go from clear plastic bottles to there's better things to do with the hydrocarbon than make another piece of plastic. What if every landfill in America became an energy supply rather than a landfill?
Speaker 2:These are not what ifs. These are things that I'm actually quite literally the CEO of a company that's doing exactly what I'm describing today. Not ten years from now. We're doing it today. Imagine a world where socialization does not happen by excluding people who are somehow in a cast based approach to I can only socialize with people if they have a certain education or I only socialize with people if they have a certain socioeconomic status.
Speaker 2:What if we built a system in which we actually have a table metaphorically and literally that is spread for our neighbor metaphorically and literally, where we stop thinking that every single individual has to live in this American dream illusion that said that somewhere along the lines so that we could actually sustain banks. Remember, the reason why the American dream of homeownership was an American dream of homeownership had nothing to do with individual rights. It had everything to do with making sure banks originated mortgages. And what are mortgages? Death contracts.
Speaker 2:That's what the word actually means. What if we didn't have mortgages anymore? Talk about owning nothing and being happy. How about if you didn't have a death contract on your life? Does that sound like a decent world to live in?
Speaker 2:And what if it turns out that I like the house I live in, but you know what? I use my mower one day a week. Guess how many other people could use that mower on other days of the week? What if we actually did the Uber or the Airbnb of the stuff that we don't use all the time? There's a ton of stuff that we could do to build networks of vital social fabrics that actually would build an opportunity for us to talk to our neighbors, to interact with our neighbors, to actually build communities.
Speaker 2:This is not a pipe dream. This is something that we could be doing today, and we should be doing today to get practice for what's coming. What if knowledge and education was not the recitation of facts so that we can turn into the robots that serve the industrial master? But what if we actually, God forbid, reopen the renaissance of creativity where we encourage children to actually use artistic and kinesthetic and other forms of expression. And and we didn't say stay inside the lines because the lines suck.
Speaker 2:And that's why you shouldn't stay inside the lines. And we shouldn't line up in lines when we're four or five or six years old. We should climb trees and we should actually get in the mud and we should catch frogs and we should do stuff that puts us in touch with our natural surroundings. We should know more about the barks of trees than we know about the batteries in digital devices. Why can't we do that?
Speaker 2:And and why can't we actually build that kind of world? Why can't our monetary system be real units of value exchange? Why do we have to cram everything through a debt denominated dollar? Why don't we actually have the ability to say that, Seth, you know what? You have a wonderful newborn child that is part of this beautiful ecosystem we call the world.
Speaker 2:And I have a ton of Beanie Babies in a bag in my basement. You know, why don't we exchange value where it was valuable when it was my kids twenty five or thirty years ago, and it's now valuable to you. And you don't have to pay for it. And we don't have to do all that kind of stuff because it turns out that the value that I have is only valuable when it is in my functional utilitarian experience. And after that, it could be valuable to somebody else.
Speaker 2:Now, God forbid, I won't open up Kim's closet to that because she would not wanna part with a single one of the four closets full of dresses. And I wouldn't want her to either because she looks stunning in all of them, but but we'll we'll stick to the beanie babies. What if our technology was something where we stopped the addiction of the sixty hertz addiction that we were forced into so that Morgan and others could meter us and meter our performance and our meter or how we animate our world back in the turn of the last century. Why is it that everything has to go through electricity? Why do we have to convert everything to electricity?
Speaker 2:Why don't we have, like, the Amish and the old order Mennonites I grew up around and still to this day still see where if you need movement, you use water wheels and you use wind turbines and you use those kinds of things. And if you need heat, you use fire. And if and if you need anything else, you use the things that actually are coherent to the energy that you need. If you want compression, you use weight and gravity. We we have gotten so addicted to the idea that technology has to plug itself into a wall.
Speaker 2:We can't think outside the wall. We can't think outside the outlet. But what if we could?
Seth Holehouse:Folks, have a quick message for you. Look, the twenty twenty four election is do or die for the globalist and communists that have infiltrated our country and are currently running it. And they either have to win or they're gonna destroy America so nothing is left either way. And if you're the person that's watching this show and following this information, unfortunately, you have the weight on your shoulders of making sure that your family is prepared, especially as we head in to this next year in this next election cycle because unfortunately, I think it's gonna get rough. And one of the ways I know they're going to target us is through our food supply.
Seth Holehouse:You can see all the food factories burned down, you can see the warnings of coming famines and food shortages and everything like that. And food is one of the number one ways totalitarian regimes have always used to control the populations destroy the food supply. So if you don't have at least two, three, four, five, six months worth of stored food, I highly recommend you take that very seriously. Because look, as I mentioned, if you're the person that's watching this, you're the person that carries the burden of making sure your family is prepared. I would recommend at least six months, if not a year of storable food.
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Speaker 2:And what if our identity was not who was the loudest in the room and who was the most compelling, but who was the person who emanated the selfless service of humanity? What where where is that? Where is a world where leadership is not a command and control system where the bully becomes the only one that anybody follows because they're intimidated and they live in fear. What if people actually said, man, there's an attribute of Seth that I celebrate because Seth holds a space that's open and thoughtful and kind, and I'd like to be more like Seth. What if that was a world that we lived in?
Speaker 2:See, the point is, Seth, it doesn't take any effort for us to think differently and see a different world. We just have to slow down to the speed of consciousness to do it.
Seth Holehouse:What comes to my mind, but just listening to you is this this phrase. I don't know why it just really stuck in my head listening is that we are on the verge of the greatest human renaissance, the greatest renaissance Yeah. Of humanity that that has ever Exactly. Been experienced on Earth. Like, that's what we're on the edge of.
Speaker 2:And So so let me let me tag on that just for a second because you're exactly right. This this is akin to one of my favorite stories that is mistold by every religious person I've ever heard speak about it, and it is the story of Nehemiah. Nehemiah, who was the cup bearer, the bodyguard to one of the worst despotic kings in known history, served gladly to preserve the life of a mass murdering psychopath. And one day, according to the biblical account, he walks into the king's presence and his face is downcast. And the king, rather than suspecting that he's up to some nefarious, you know, dastardly act, which a bodyguard looking bad on a day, that would be a logical thing for a king to think.
Speaker 2:Rather than doing that, the king, because of Nehemiah's joyful service, the king looks at Nehemiah and goes, why are your why is your face downcast? And and and Nehemiah says to the king, because the walls of my city are broken down and my temple's been destroyed. And the king does what? The king emancipates the royal treasury and says, Nehemiah, take men, take money, take resources, and go rebuild your city walls. Go rebuild your temple.
Speaker 2:And then the king takes an additional step. And he says to everybody who has had their temples broken and their walls broken down, take money and rebuild your homelands. Because one person served the old system with joy. And on one day was in the king's presence when the king noticed that he had a bad day, and the king did what? He emancipated the entire wealth of the nation to rebuild all the temples and all the city walls and take everybody back to their homeland.
Speaker 2:We're there again, Seth. We're there again. We are in our Nehemiah moment. And what we have to do is be wise enough to realize that we cannot receive the treasury of the king if we actually are not in the right place at the right time.
Seth Holehouse:One thing that you mentioned just with the technology that you're working on, right, pulling energy out of waste, basically. Yeah. Let's just I'm gonna play with that a little bit. Let's imagine that that was in place. What does it mean?
Seth Holehouse:What's it mean to the average American household if you're no longer paying for gasoline for your car? Yeah. You're no longer paying for oil to heat your home, propane to cook your food. You're no longer paying to, you know, AP or whoever it is to power your house. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Just that one single thing. You you extrapolate that idea. That changes the human experience significantly.
Speaker 2:Absolutely.
Seth Holehouse:Now I think it's really important for us to collectively look at ourselves and look at our lives, and look at the analogy of the elephant tied to the stake. It's tied to the stake from birth. They remove the stake. The elephant still never leaves. It doesn't doesn't it doesn't even understand how trapped it is.
Seth Holehouse:You're the CEO of a company that's building alternative energy. Forty years ago, you would have been found dead in a ditch. Right? Like, oh, yeah. This know, it's like the people that that invented water powered cars.
Seth Holehouse:What happened to them? Oh, they they died of a heart attack at, you know, 42 years old. Yeah. Highly suspicious. They don't have that control anymore.
Seth Holehouse:So Right. And it's not just what you're doing. I think it's really important that for us to understand that the human experience that we've experienced since being born, that our parents experienced, that our grandparents experienced, it's the experience of living in a world where the technology that could bring us freedom, and happiness, and health has been restricted, and we've only been given the technologies and the medicines and the education that have become tools of oppression. They have been tools to do, as you mentioned, what Rockefeller said, to turn us into these laborers, not thinkers. But now we're in the era where the mechanisms that are in control that limit that technology and stop it from reaching us are no longer there.
Seth Holehouse:They're crumbling. The dam is Right. Breaking open. And this is important because people have to realize just think about that simple thing of just what you're doing with the technology, but look at that across medicine. How many cures, whether it's chlorine dioxide or any number of things that have been demonized and oppressed are now coming into the in in the public.
Seth Holehouse:Even the way we educate our children is changing. People are moving towards homeschooling. They're moving towards, you know, hey. Go spend your days in the woods finding things. So take all of this together and and just use that to create this vision that you're talking about.
Seth Holehouse:To me, it's amazing. Like and that's the important thing is, yes, what what's collab the system's collapsing, but what's also collapsing with it are the chains that are tied to every angle of every person on Earth. Those chains are also collapsing. If we can get through it, it it again, it is the it is the greatest renaissance I think humanity has ever seen. We are on the verge of not just on the verge of it.
Seth Holehouse:We're the makers of it. We're part of it. Right? What an honor.
Speaker 2:And and and and and listen. This is why I keep putting into context the power of the dark forces that are currently in control. Carnegie and Rockefeller and their and and William t Gates, the reverend who who worked with Rockefeller. They went from nineteen o three to 1947. So once again, about a forty year period of time, that's how long it took them to co opt all the systems and to make sure everything was on their trajectory.
Speaker 2:So so we look at the current system and we go, well, it's been working since the time of the Babylonian, you know, and and no. No. It hasn't. This particular system has been forty years in its architecture and not surprisingly, two generations in its productive use. So the great news is, yes, the guys like Morgan, like Rockefeller, like Carnegie, those guys actually had a huge out of scale influence.
Speaker 2:But this is the message we have to continue to remind ourselves. At best, we're talking about four to five people. In a world full of people. So the the courage that is required is not even much courage to recognize that if, I don't know, 10 of us get together, 15 of us get together, 20 of us, a 44 of us get together. If a small group with pure intentions get together and and and make the very explicit statement that we are not going to build our system on Eugenics and the authorized versus unauthorized people, We're not going to use terms like imbecile and idiot, even though we could actually point to some people who are certainly fitting that criteria right now.
Speaker 2:But we're not going to include those as engineering objectives to say, how do we make a more pure race or a better world or anything else? No. We actually build this armada of arc strategy. How do we put together not a few boats that a few of us can survive on, but how about we build enough boats for humanity? How about we do that?
Speaker 2:How about we look into a world where you mentioned the Chinese a little earlier? One of the greatest empires that people don't understand about China was in the fifteenth century and the very famous Zheng He fleet, where the leading ships of that fleet that in many respects, a lot of arguments have been made to say, we're the reason why the Renaissance came to Europe. We're filled with what? Not weapons. They were filled with scrolls.
Speaker 2:They were filled with books. They were filled with information on navigation and on astronomical observation and on how to plant crops and how to tend soil and how to direct the flow of rivers and manage floods. And and it was that empire, the Zheng He fleet in that Yungle empire that that wound up potentially unleashing what many people would say was one of the greatest renaissance that humanity has ever seen. Why can't we lead with those stories of thoughtful human education and socialization and cross cultural integration, why is it that we're willing to allow 30,000,000 people to flood into our borders instead of sitting back and saying, well, if I could actually offer employment in Colombia or in Ecuador, if I could offer good employment there. And by the way, I could.
Speaker 2:One of the things that I'm doing with my company is we're actually building. Are you ready for this? An anti immigration strategy for how we map where we put our company. Now what do I mean by that? I'm not opposed to the land of the free welcoming beautiful people who legally come to this this country.
Speaker 2:I'm not opposed to that. But I am opposed to Americans who don't see that it may be part of our role to create industries and businesses, which give people a beautiful reason to stay in Ecuador, to stay in Colombia, to get good jobs, to be able to be part of their own economic renaissance in their home countries. And listen, I'm not suggesting that we have to, you know, all do this. But what I am saying, Seth, is that if as a human being, one person, Dave Martin, just as one person, if I can come up with an idea like, I wonder what would happen if I hired a thousand people in Colombia to work for a US company in Colombia. I wonder if any of them would ever try to flee to The United States.
Speaker 2:If I, what, paid them good salaries, gave them a great opportunity to be part of a very high-tech, really cool industry. You think they'd have a high desire to, I don't know, run across the entire drug infested Northern Mexico border to get into Texas? No. But we don't have any problem sending billions of dollars of what we call aid to prop up regimes in the Ukraine while we don't think about the possibility of maybe having part of the American dream, including all of The Americas. And maybe industries and we can put businesses and we can put employment opportunities in places that allow people to stay in their homes.
Speaker 2:Listen. I'm not saying that that stops all the immigration, but I am saying that if we think differently, if we act differently, and if those of us with the agency who can do it actually take the steps to do it, I think we actually have solutions we haven't even begun to consider. And like the elephant tied to the post, the minute you start hearing, oh, you mean we could think differently? Oh, you mean we could solve this problem without more razor wire? Yeah.
Speaker 2:We could. And if a few of us got together and put our heads together and started doing things that actually are aligned to a better form of humanity, We may go, you remember that period of time when everybody was racing across the Rio Grande? Now people are actually wanting to live in Colombia. They're wanting to live in Ecuador. They're wanting to live in Peru.
Speaker 2:Well, if you don't have the vision for it, it'll never happen. But to our earlier comment, if you actually hold the possibility of a better future, you can manifest it. And that is what I'm all about.
Seth Holehouse:And so for the people that are watching or listening and reflecting on their lives and their own vision for the future, What is the most distilled advice you can give somebody at this period of history to help them shift towards that?
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, we have in in a lot of religious traditions, some equivalent of the story of the good Samaritan. And we make it into this kind of hero epic story of this poor guy gets beat up and and then somebody comes along and finds the unfortunate person and and helps him out. And I've often said of that story, the only problem is we have to start with the person in need. Because the fact of the matter is we need to start before that.
Speaker 2:We need to start before people are in need. We need to start thinking about what are we doing today where we're genuinely building networks of resilience, where our thoughts include, how do I make today better for the person who is in my community, for the person who is in my neighborhood, for the person who maybe is a friend I haven't reached out to in in in a certain length of time? What COVID did for the incumbency is it drove this idea that we we are more manageable when we're separated. So the very first step that anybody can take listening to this is within forty eight hours, invite somebody over for dinner. No kidding.
Speaker 2:Just do that. Invite somebody over for dinner. Look at what happens around the table when you actually fellowship with an unanticipated, unplanned. It wasn't on the calendar for six weeks. Just invite somebody over for dinner and build the reflex back of what it used to be to be neighbors where you could go knock on somebody's door and they didn't meet you with a gun because they thought you were an intruder.
Speaker 2:They actually met you with cake, and it was usually shitty cake. It was a Sara Lee cake, and it was sitting in a box for a long time. But but imagine a world where you're part of the solution. If you wanna counteract the last four years, start by inviting somebody over for dinner. And then when you hear that somebody's having a hard time, I don't know, watching a newborn child, give them an hour or two of your time and say, hey.
Speaker 2:If you need to run to the grocery or you need to take a nap, you know what? Let me watch the kid for a minute. You know what won't happen? That kid won't be worse for wear. Their diaper may not have been changed right, or they might not have gotten the bottle temperature exactly at the right temperature.
Speaker 2:But guess what? The kid's gonna be fine, and they're gonna find out that human beings can love and nurture them without being molesters and without being predators and without being all the horrible messages that we have about ways in which humans interact with small children. We can actually the sense of community values in the socialization and the upbringing of children. Are you ready for that? Wow.
Speaker 2:I did that just the other day with my beautiful grandson where I was able to hold him for a couple hours, and we were able to play with glasses and play with how light plays with colors. And we did all kinds of things. And I watched my son and my daughter-in-law just have a moment to breathe. And guess what? I was the better for it.
Speaker 2:They had a break. I was better for it. We can actually start with really simple steps, Seth. And what happens in those simple steps is we start having conversations about what else we can do. And that may mean that we actually do something that redefines what a neighbor is.
Speaker 2:Maybe maybe we do reach out every now and then and add to the help and aid of people who are unfortunate. Maybe that's what we do. Maybe we actually spend time building out businesses and industries that actually employ people so that they don't go into despotism and they don't go into poverty and they don't go into all of the places where the current woke left is wanting to take a world where the only thing that's growing right now is homeless encampments and tent cities inside of what used to be our grand cities of this country. We can make a difference, and we have to start with the little steps. Then we have to take the next steps to say, how do we build networks of resilience?
Speaker 2:How do we take what used to be our backyard and turning it into a garden? How do we do the things that allow us to start feeling our agency to be part of our own solution? We have always depended on and we've been conditioned to depend on a someone else out there. Reclamation of your own agency is an absolute absolute necessity to move into what is coming next. And you've got four years to stretch those muscles and to grow those networks and to build those ecosystems.
Speaker 2:And then when the actual apocalypse happens, you don't have zombies. You have zealots for a future that's so worth pursuing that everybody wants a part of it, and everyone wants to be a part of what you're doing. And that's the opportunity we have. And the good news is we've been given the advanced warning, so we have every opportunity to do it right.
Seth Holehouse:And this is that advanced warning. And I I hope that everyone watching and listening, if you've made it this far, share this video. In addition to inviting someone over for dinner, which I think is is is such a good thing. It's great. You know, we we've got a newborn.
Seth Holehouse:She's, you know, about a week old now, we've had a handful of friends stop over, and I'm coming in. They stop over and say, hey. I've I've got some bone broth for you, or we've got some, you know, a bath soak for Kate, and it's just it's beautiful. It's beautiful. But that's it's it's such important advice.
Seth Holehouse:I think it's it's a it's a great note to end on. Before we do sign off, is there any particular website or anything that you want to drive people to? If people will say, hey. This this David Martin guy is amazing. I wanna get involved somehow, or where would you direct people?
Speaker 2:You know, I I have been very fortunate, as you know, Seth, to have the support of some amazing people that have helped expand my Twitter account recently. So I try to stay active there. Fully lived out world where Kim and I try to share our material all the time is the best place to stay in touch because fully lived out world is is is our best attempt to keep people informed. Upcoming this, in the next little while, we have the, the amazing opportunity to have the reprise the first weekend in April. I'll be back at the at the Arlington Institute.
Speaker 2:That event in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia is such a great opportunity for people to get together. I highly recommend, I think it's April. We have a evening event prior, and then we have the main event, which is a multi hour kind of nonstop. Let's talk about where the world's going opportunity on on that Saturday. I highly recommend that people make the trip.
Speaker 2:And the reason is not because I have a lot of brilliant things to say. The reason is because it's a room full of solution makers. These are people who come from around the world who are very motivated to be part of the conversation and the implementation of how we do that better world. And I think this coming one in in the first weekend in April is going to be truly one of those spectacular moments where the change makers of the world are all coming together. Be a part of it.
Speaker 2:Hang out. And, know, Kim and I continue, as you know, Seth, Kim and I continue to be tireless in our efforts to make sure that we model the very best of humanity. Every day we work very hard to show that husbands and wives still matter, that men and women, as men and women still have a very unique and beautiful offering and voice in this world. And I have to say in the last several months, Kim is starting to find her voice in a way that is just spectacular, and she is helping tons of men and women understand that there is beauty and elegance and and vibrancy that comes from the reenlivening of what it looks like to be in relationship. And and, you know, she's she's a luminous soul, and she's doing tons of good work.
Speaker 2:She's recharging right now for the month in Australia, which is what she loves to do when it's cold here in the North. She loves to fly south. And when she flies south, she's not a Floridian. She's a get all the way to New South Wales. But, you know, I I I put a lot of money on betting on her this year.
Speaker 2:I think her art and her communication and all of those things are growing. And I'm looking forward to seeing where her life unfolds this year. So the best thing is stay in touch. We try to make ourselves available, make yourselves available, and we'll stay connected. And, Seth, it is always an honor and a delight to be in the presence of you and in these conversations.
Speaker 2:And I'm deeply grateful for our fellowship, for the brotherhood you and I share, and thank you for this time.
Seth Holehouse:It's likewise. I I always look forward to just these these discussions. And not just I look forward, I I walk away feeling good. And and at the end of the day, that's what matters. You walk away feeling like there's hope, feeling like there's a reason to fight, feeling like there's a future that my children can thrive in, and that's what's important.
Seth Holehouse:David, thank you again. It's always a pleasure and an honor, and I look forward to the next time. So thank you and
Speaker 2:Very good. Thanks, Seth. Take care.
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Seth Holehouse:I've now got a very important, very timely, and short fifteen minute interview with my good friend, doctor Kirk Elliott. So please enjoy. Kirk, it's great to see you as always. Thank you so much for being here today.
Todd Callender:Oh, man. It's it's great to be
Seth Holehouse:with you too. So I recently interviewed G. Edward Griffin, who, in my mind, is one of the grandfathers of the truth movement. And not just the truth movement, but especially exposing the global banking cartels. And this is something you and I have talked a lot about.
Seth Holehouse:De dollarization, the the fiat, the currency system, the Fed, Central Bank digital currency. And I I'm gonna give just a quick summary of this interview to get our conversation going because there's a few really important things I walked away with that. Fundamentally, he he made this point that money is the probably the most accurate representation of power. That the more money you have, the more people you can hire, the more you can lobby, the more you can buy and sell corporations, whatever it is, the more food you can buy, the more guns you can buy. You can hire a private army, that money is power, and that money is probably the most accurate representation of that.
Seth Holehouse:So take society a couple hundred years ago, money and wealth was spread out all over the world. You had all kinds of kings and different lords and everything, But the globalist and and the people that wanted to control the entire world, they knew that they would first have to control the entire world supply of money. And so that he's saying that's basically what the past couple hundred years has been is a consolidation of money, because that money has been power. We look at BlackRock and the control they have over everything in Vanguard and State Street, and then the the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers, etcetera. It's money that has given them the power to change our world in all the ways that it has.
Seth Holehouse:But the important point that he made, though, is that that money runs out. Meaning, once the system that is is broken and they're they're printing and printing and printing, eventually that money, they in part of their plan, once they have all the money that they need, they then get rid of money, and all they are left with is power at that point. And he said, that's basically where we're at right now in in society and in history. They've accumulated all the money that they need, and now what they're what they're doing is actively trying to collapse the system of money so that they're just left with power, and they have absolute control. And then he we were talking about central bank digital currency, and and even talking about you know, we talked a lot about bricks and dedollarization, and and he shared the same view that I presented that that basically, even what's happened with with the East and the West, the bricks and dedollarization is actually part two wings of the same bird, because what it does is the bricks accelerates the collapse of the global money system that still, you know, it's controlled.
Seth Holehouse:It still gives us independence. I can go out right now and buy, you know, one year's worth of food. I can go buy a thousand rounds of ammo. I can go buy some silver and bear it in my backyard. I still have control.
Seth Holehouse:But if that system has collapsed, there goes the control. And so that anyway, that I gave such a simple summary. I really encourage people if they didn't watch it before this interview to find the interview because it's mind blowing with mister Griffin. So that, I think, sets the stage for just a few of the things that we're gonna be talking about today, which is really an update of where this process is at of this global system that especially with the framing and understanding that the elites, cabal, whatever you call them, they want this system to collapse because what comes into its place is no longer money plus power. It's just absolute power.
Seth Holehouse:So I'll hand it over to you now.
Todd Callender:Well, is absolutely power. I mean, so and money leads to power, right? So you amass all the money. You've got the power. And then if you take money away, what do you have?
Todd Callender:You have a global population of slaves, pretty much, right? Because they're going to be dependent on you because you created money, you took it away, now comes the power, right? There's there's power behind that, because when especially with central bank digital currency, where they give you the ability to buy or sell whether they like you or not. Right. I mean, that's power.
Todd Callender:That's like the ultimate definition of power. When you can tell somebody, hey, this is what you can buy, when you can buy it, where you buy it, and with whom. Right? I mean, that's everything. That's power, right?
Todd Callender:So people are starting to wake up to that, though, right? It's not like it's going to be this super easy path moving forward. Well, I think that they're actually going to win in the sense of we are going to have central bank digital currency, Right. I don't think there's any way out of it. However, I think there's going to be parallel systems that come into play.
Todd Callender:Right. There's going to be parallel economy, whether it's state chartered banks backed by gold or or simply silver for barter or something else, some other private currency. This is what our founding fathers warned us against was a central bank. They didn't ever want a central bank creating money because they knew it would have too much power because of the centralization of it. What they wanted was competing currencies, which is why in federalism, which is basically the separation of federal government and state government, If the states can do it, then the feds can't.
Todd Callender:If the feds can do it, then the states shouldn't, right? So banks are something that they can do. They can issue their own banks, so therefore the feds shouldn't. So this is where it's starting to come full circle, is there's been too much overreach by the Fed and all of these stupid draconian laws and administrative rulings like real time transaction monitoring of every person at every bank. That's Project Icebreaker at the Bank for International Settlements.
Todd Callender:Or, you know, Project Aurora, where, you know, they say, well, if your ideology doesn't match up, we just won't let you do the wire. Well, we'll stop it. Right? I mean and all these other things. Programmable money is the key to all of this because when your real life tangible assets, if it has a title, it can be tokenized.
Todd Callender:You can change ownership of it, right? So even some tangible assets where there's a title like a house is going to be lumped in with mutual funds, stocks, bonds, cash accounts, checking accounts, savings accounts, right? Because they all have a title of some kind of ownership to it. You tokenize it, put it into a packet, then it's easy to flip the switch and say, Okay, everything that this guy or gal owns, we're flipping the switch. We're going to give it to somebody else, right?
Todd Callender:You can't do that with a tangible asset where there's no title. Nobody knows where it is or what it is, right? So this is where gold and silver being the last of the private transactions on Earth makes sense, Right? So but this is where they're going. It's all about power and control and people are waking up.
Todd Callender:So read this article on Greg Hunter's website, usawatchdog.com, where here's the headline. Everything is going wrong for the deep state. Martin Armstrong warns that's what makes them so dangerous. Right? So I love the first part of that sentence.
Todd Callender:Everything going wrong for the deep state, but oh, they're getting more dangerous. And I love Martin Armstrong. I think he's brilliant, right? I think he's one of the best forecasters, cycles, analysts, trend analysts that there is. I think he's just absolutely brilliant.
Todd Callender:So what did he say? So he wrote this article called The Year from Political Hell, 2024. So in there, Armstrong is talking about in times of crisis, people will give away their freedoms. They will vote. Well, what's happening this year?
Todd Callender:It's not just an election year in America. Literally, it's the culmination of a perfect storm. 60 of all the world is having an election this year. 60% people are going to the polls. And what are they voting on?
Todd Callender:They're voting for a new government. Right. This is what happens during election cycles. They vote for a new government. So here's where you add that to the mix.
Todd Callender:And what are the economic and political and geopolitical things that are happening right now that might cause somebody to actually vote where they haven't before voted a different way? Well, we've got wars. We've got tons of wars right now. Russia and Ukraine, Israel and Hamas, China and Taiwan, all over a bunch of small regional wars. However, this year, Armstrong thinks this is the year that we could see nuclear capability in a war.
Todd Callender:Because not just because the economy, we've had nukes for a long time, but because of the actors that are fighting. Right. They all have it. Right. Israel has it.
Todd Callender:You've got other countries that like in Europe has it, Russia has it, China has it. Right? It's like, oh, boy, this is going to get weird. So he thinks that there's there's a huge possibility we have nuclear weapons this year. So so here's the ugly thing about these globalists, Seth.
Todd Callender:Those people, all they want is war. They don't care. They don't really they they just simply they just don't care. They don't care about the economy. They don't care about your health.
Todd Callender:They don't care about anything other than making money. They make tons of money during wars because they fund both sides. It's like, look at the Rothschild family, but funded both sides of the Napoleonic Wars. I mean, that's when this all started funding both sides of the war. That's the epitome of not caring for people or health or anything.
Todd Callender:All they want is money. Right. And bankers today still model that. Right. They still model.
Todd Callender:So. So here's where during times of war, what happens to spending? There's a contraction in spending because of uncertainty. And think about it. You're uncertain about your job, you're uncertain about the war, you don't know where the future is headed.
Todd Callender:Boy, you better save up for a rainy day, right? I mean, this is human nature. People stop spending. When people stop spending, income tax revenues, sales tax revenues, property tax revenues all start coming down. Well, Martin Armstrong knows this, too, because he said the GDP, The US economy, is he's expecting it to shrink by 12% to 18% in 2024.
Todd Callender:We're not talking about the stock market. We're talking about the entire economy slipping 12 to 18% in one year. So what happens then? Well, if there's no tax revenues come in because people aren't spending, they're going to be forced to go to the printing press. That's going to cause even more inflation, higher interest rates to slow down that inflation.
Todd Callender:And this is where civil unrest, economic instability causes wars. But it also feeds on itself, right? Because as people are hangry, right, because they can't afford to eat when there's famine, when there's drought, when there's inflationary pressures, they can't afford to live. They start making irrational decisions. And this is where I expect kind of like a rebellion in government debt.
Todd Callender:As people start to lose faith in the government, I think that they're going to say, what? You've gone too far. You're spending all this money. It's not helping any. It's actually making things worse.
Todd Callender:So this is where I believe that we're headed in 2024. Why is the second half of that headline true? Why are they so dangerous, even though it appears that they're losing? Well, it's like a rabid dog backed into a corner. Right.
Todd Callender:They're going to fight to get out when they think that they're trapped, they're they're blocked in. They're really going to fight to get to get out. Right. This is why we're seeing all of the lawsuits against Trump, because if Trump gets back into power, they're all fired. Right.
Todd Callender:And they know that they're losing power. So I think what we're seeing right now, because America's waking up, the global population's waking up, and you see deep state Democrats, RINOs, neocons starting to get dangerous. And so what does Armstrong say to do? He says, Buy physical gold. That's your answer.
Todd Callender:When there's uncertainty, that's your answer. Now, I agree with him in theory, but I would change the word gold to tangible assets like silver or gold, because silver's outperforming gold because of its manufacturing status and ultra low supply, high demand. Which is simply outperforming gold. But the gist of his comment was buy tangible assets to hedge yourself against all this garbage. And I would use silver to do that.
Todd Callender:Now, Peter Schiff, he takes it even one step further when he's talking about and exposing the lies from inside the administration. So Jerome Powell, chairman of the Fed, he's on sixty Minutes and he does this big, long interview. And what did he say recently? He said the national debt crisis is a distant concern. What?
Todd Callender:Distant concern? You're lying. He's absolutely lying. If it's a distant concern, then why do they have to raise the debt ceiling every year? Because they run out of money.
Todd Callender:Right? Why is it that the interest on our national debt of $34,000,000,000,000 is now $1,000,000,000,000 a year? That's absolutely unsustainable. When we bring in four point something as a whole economy, that's up like literally, that's like 25% almost of our entire revenue every year is going out towards interest only payments. So Peter Sheff says this.
Todd Callender:He says, this is not a problem for the future. This is not a long term problem anymore. This is a short term problem that could blow up at any minute. Right? Because if this is the generation where we probably have to pay the piper because the debts become so unsustainable that we can't afford the interest payments anymore.
Todd Callender:So you have all these lies coming out of D. C. You have that everything is going wrong for the globalists. And what do we do? We act in strength.
Todd Callender:We act in accordance with those things that we didn't create. We're just identifying them, and you get out of the path of the hurricane. That's where tangible assets like gold and silver come into play.
Seth Holehouse:I'll also add brass seeds. I mean, to me, these are all Yeah. They're all the same class. I mean, make sure you have food. Make sure you have seeds.
Seth Holehouse:If if you can get out of a city, get a couple acres where you can have chickens, you can have your own well, even better. So with gold and silver, we have a website setgoldwithseth.com takes you here. You're the man that I trust, that I personally use, that I recommend. You're a just incredible business person, principled Christian patriot. Goldwestath.com takes them here.
Seth Holehouse:If people want to reach out to you to say move an IRA into precious metals or to make a direct purchase, what do they do?
Todd Callender:Well, you go to the goldoseth.com, or you call us, (720) 605-3900, and say, Seth sent you. And what's going to happen? You'll talk to one of my schedulers, and they'll ask you questions like, what was it that Kirk and Seth were talking about that caused you concern? What are your fears? What are your goals?
Todd Callender:What are your dreams? Then you'll be put on the calendar for one of my consultants. And what are we going to do? We're going to dig deep into what you want as a goal. We'll map out a strategy for success moving forward using tangible assets and we'll make the transition easy and the burden light.
Todd Callender:If you have an IRA, we'll roll over the funds, tax free rollover, right? We'll help you with the wire. We'll get everything done for you. So then when the funds show up, we get to decide, do you want metals at home or do you want them in storage if it's a non IRA account? In an IRA account, have to store them, right?
Todd Callender:Because we're also at the distribution app. But there's choices and bullion, bullion, bullion. Don't do rare coins. Don't do semi rare coins. Don't do everything that you see on podcast commercials all over the country, right?
Todd Callender:It's expensive. Don't do expensive coins. Don't do government mint coins. Don't do anything that's rare or semi rare. Just simply do bullion, which we can help you with.
Todd Callender:That is one of our goals. Minimize cost, maximize return, and that will also maximize your ounces. It's the only way you should invest your gold or silver.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. For me, my my favorite is just generic buffalo rounds. Just to yeah. They're great. They're they're cheap.
Seth Holehouse:Maximize ounces. Kirk, it's always great having you on. Thank you so much for being here. Take care, man, and god bless.