Trek In Time

Matt and Sean talk about crossing lines, ignoring your own best interest, and becoming the problem.

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Matt and Sean talk about crossing lines, ignoring your own best interest, and becoming the problem.

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What is Trek In Time?

Join Sean and Matt as they rewatch all of Star Trek in order and in historical context.

Hey,

everybody in this episode of trek in time, we're gonna talk about crossing the line. That's right. We're talking about episode two of season three anomaly, which dropped originally on September 17th, 2003, as you should know, by now here on trek in time we talk about each and every episode of star Trek in chronological order.

We talk about the era that each episode dropped in. So right now we're still in enterprise. We've just started season three, which is a relief both to me and to Matt and I. Yes. Who are listeners we've I recently saw some response, which was, was excited to find out about Trek and time until I realized that these guys hate every episode.

And we don't, I kinda laughed along with it. Like it does seem like that if you've been listening to. Us slog through season two, which was not as enjoyable as we might have hoped. But now that we're in season three, I think things are gonna start clicking. And you're gonna hear the love a little bit more.

And who are we? Well, I'm Sean Ferrell I'm a writer. I've written some sci-fi. I write some stuff for kids with me as my brother, Matt, he's the guru and inquisitor behind the YouTube channel undecided with Matt Ferrell, which takes a look at emerging tech and its impact on our lives. So we have the writer, the storyteller.

Tech guy that sounds like star Trek to me, Matt, how you doing? I'm doing pretty good. How about yourself? I'm doing okay. I'm excited to talk about this episode right off the bat. Spoiler. I thought this was a great episode. I'm I was, yeah, I just, I was, I was really thrilled by it and I, one of the things that made me so excited about it, I had very little memory of it.

There were elements of this that really came as a surprise and I, and I. Knocked backward by how much I enjoyed it.

Yeah. I I'm, I love that this, this episode came right after you brought up that one comment of somebody saying they hate a very episode because spoiler, I love this episode. I didn't, I did remember parts of it.

I didn't remember the whole thing, but I remember parts of it. And I, I was, this is why I was looking forward to season three so much because it was like, They had their Borg moment from next generation and it's like, oh, they found their footing. And they found a story they can grab onto and, and make it their own.

This is awesome. Yeah. So we'll get into more of that in a, in a little bit. Yeah.

Before we get into that, we can revisit some thoughts about previous episodes. Matt, do you wanna share your thoughts? Yes. About,

okay. There's a couple quick comments. I wanna bring up about our last episode, the ZDI. And before I read these, actually, after I read these, I'll give the explanations to what happened.

So we had one, I posted, we were having problems getting the episode put together. And so we had to delay a day and there was a comment on that update from a J Chan we're already experiencing temporal anomalies from the Delphic expanse , which I thought was yeah. Pitch. Perfect. Thank

you. That is, yeah, chef's kiss AJ.

That was,

but then on the episode itself, if you've watched it. Sean looks like a flip book animation. He was, this is not an exaggeration. He was going at 2.6 frames per second. That's.

Wow. What's embarrassing is that's a little bit faster than I normally move in real life.

so pale goes 69 wrote. Thanks Sean.

Best PowerPoint presentation I've seen all

year. that's that's another good one. That's and uh,

robo trav wrote how's the dial up internet connection doing these days, sean LOL. Now I just have to say up front this wasn't Sean's fault. This is my fault. We use a service called Zencaster to record this episode, these episodes, every single week, it's, it's a great service because internet connections can flake out and we want to get good video quality and good audio quality without the glitches in it.

And so what it does is it records files locally, but we can see each other, like a zoom call. And then when it's all done, it's uploading all the files in the backgrounds. And then I have separate video files and separate audio files for the two of us that we can edit together and make it look nice. And.

There's some things about Zencaster I'm not thrilled with. So we were trying a different service and I shall not name their service, but it did not go well and we should have tested it in advance. Yeah. But we, I just went in going, let's just record all of our new episodes on this service and it was a horrible mistake.

Um, and that was the 2.6 frames per second that we saw from Sean. So, no, we're not gonna use that service probably ever again. And we're gonna stick with Zencaster for right now. I apologized to everybody and, uh, it was not Sean's fault.

thank you for giving me the out. Although I sometimes do feel like a flip book.

So , I also noticed that robo Trav says about that, that he points out that this is like something we should talk about on our special out of time. Uh, which I think is, is a good callback it's we recently had an episode that we shared from our spinoff episode, our secondary series, which is available to direct supporters and robo tra is pointing out there that, you know, the time travel that was on display in.

Our regular episode could have been something we talked about in the supporter only episode. Yeah.

Yeah. And Christian, a good pastor on that episode, the, the out of time episode that we released publicly, so people could see what the show's about. Uh, said, we talked about the new show, strange new worlds.

And he said, yep. My thoughts too. It is the original series style, but just in a contemporary way, this is exactly what trek fans want. And when Sean and I talked about it, he and I. Spoiler kind of gushed about the show. We both love it. It feels very star Trek. It's scratching that itch I've been looking for for years.

Yeah. It's just fun. And I totally agree with Christian. It's like, it's just what Trek fans have been wanting out of Trek for a while. Yeah.

So thank you to our listeners and viewers for those comments. I. Love getting that kind of feedback, even when it's to poke fun at the fact that our attempts at putting together our regular weekly discussion ends up looking like it was hand drawn by out of work Disney animators.

Yeah. So in the background you can hear, that's not a problem with the audio now that's the read alert. So it's time now for Matt to take a shot at reading the Wikipedia description for today's episode anomaly. Matt, do you wanna jump. Okay.

Anomaly is the 54th episode of the American science fiction television series, star Trek enterprise.

The second episode of the third season, the episode, which was written by co-producer Mike Sussman and directed by David. Uh, straighten, is that how, say his name? Mm-hmm straighten his fifth for the show. Set in the 22nd century, the series follows the adventures of the first star fleet Starship, enterprise registration, and X oh one.

I don't know why that's in every single one. Why does it matter? Season three of enterprise features an ongoing story following an attack on earth by previously unknown aliens called the xindi in this episode, the enterprise is attacked by an, a Syrian vessel and is in an in pursuit. They discover the aliens have information on the xindi which they must retrieve to help them on their.

That actually is not that

bad. Description's not a bad a description. That's you go Wikipedia. Yeah, what I can't help, but think is that the cloud think of Wikipedia is an agreement with us. Season three is where things really kind of click into gear.

And now Wikipedias come into and

Wikipedia clicks into gear about that point because the cloud think of Wikipedia is largely about the first two seasons.

Uh, It's yeah, they were phoning it in. Yeah. this episode as Matt has just reminded us is episode number two, season three, directed by David straighten written by Mike Sussman. It originally aired on September 17th, 2003. And guest stars include Robert Rustler, Nathan Anderson, Julia Rose, Sean McGowan, and Ken lolly.

So at some point we're gonna wrestle with the episode. But right now we're still wrestling. What it meant to be alive in September of 2003. Matt you'll remember you were dancing. That's right. You were looking to find out where is the love and the black eyed P you're gonna be dancing with that for a few weeks.

It was number one for a while at this point in the year and at the movies. Well, we can finally put the David spade movie that time forgot, which made $6 million last week. And that was the number one movie. Wow. What. Put a terrible weekend for movies that was we've now returned to movies that we actually do remember once upon a time in Mexico was the number one movie this week at 23 million.

Once upon a time in Mexico, also known as Desperado two was the Neo Western action film written directed, produced, scored, and edited by one man. Shop Robert Rodriguez. It is the final film in Rodriguez's Mexico trilogy, and it is a sequel to 1990. Two's El mariachi and 1990. Five's Desperado. The film features on Tanya Banderas in his second and final performance.

As El mariachi in the film, Elle mariachi is recruited by recruited by a CIA agent. Sheldon sands played by Johnny Depp to kill a corrupt general responsible for the death of his wife. Some. Played by Selma. Hayak this movie. I remember seeing this in the theaters. So me too. Here's one that are like, I remember this movie, I enjoyed this movie.

And of course, if you don't know who Robert Rodriguez is, I don't know what to tell you. He's, you're living under a rock. He's still making movies today and he is star war responsible for a ton of star wars stuff in the recent star wars TV series. So speaking of TV, what was it like to. Watching this show, who were you choosing to watch if you were watching star Trek and who were you not choosing to watch?

Well, you were not watching my wife and kids graduation, which was a special two-parter episode. Matt. I know you'll remember that one fondly. Oh yeah. That one had 10 million viewers, 60 minutes to electric Baloo also had 10 million viewers that 70 show in the Simpsons were on Fox. Ed was on. We pause for a second.

Yes. When was there a 60 minutes too? I believe there actually may still be a 60 minutes too. They, they St decided to start airing it on multiple nights. The way that Dateline had multiple nights, they, they put together a second cohort of main correspondence. And in the same way that 60 minutes would IDU do all the correspondence to the beginning of the episodes.

They did the same thing, but it was with different people. And I believe that 60 minutes too. Is where reporters, like, I think Leslie Croft started there it's it was the birthplace for a certain number of the people who are currently on the main 60 minutes. You can tell they don't watch it. That's right.

That's why you're so uninformed and that's right. Meanwhile, and NBC people were watching ed 6 million viewers there. There were 4.3 million viewers watching star Trek, enterprise and Smallville was on WB. And it had 2.9 million viewers. So star Trek was basically holding steady with 4 million viewers. I think we're gonna see a lot of that range.

This is a series that feels like it had a core audience mm-hmm and it held that core audience for the most part, but it had trouble reaching out and gaining new viewers. And meanwhile, in the New York times, what was in the news. This article to me, stood out for its connection to the themes that I think we're gonna see a lot of this season in star Trek from the New York times.

The struggle for Iraq occupation foes Iraqi's bitterness is called bigger threat than terror on September 17th, 2003 Douglas J jail with David E Sanger. New intelligence assessments are warning that the United states' most formidable foe in Iraq in the months ahead may be the resentment of ordinary.

Iraq's increasingly hostile to the American military OCU occupation. That picture shared with American military commanders in Iraq is very different from the public view. Currently being presented by senior Bush administration officials, including defense secretary Rumsfeld, who once again, today listed only dead Enders, foreign terrorists, and criminal gangs as opponents to the American occupation.

I think that this fits in well with what we are gonna be talking about in this episode in particular and episodes moving forward in the future we have in this episode, a captain Archer who is more focused on his end goal. Than he is on how he's getting there. And we are going to see the growing unease of people around him.

Questions about his methods that despite his overall goal, the question mark around is this okay, is going to be seen hanging over more than a few characters around the captain. And it was largely in the air. Constantly in 2003, late 2003, after the invasion into Iraq, the dismantling of the government there, the removal of Saddam Husein.

And as we've talked about in previous episodes, it very quickly turned into what do we do to win the peace? We wanna a war, but how do we win the peace mm-hmm . And did we win the peace or the war in the right way at this point? In Guantanamo bay in Cuba, the military base, there, there were nine 11 conspirators and other people simply taken there with no courtroom action outside of a military tribunal.

And there are still people being held there. Yep. So the question marks around what is okay for us to do. I, one of the things I looked for in my research for this episode was. Had we yet begun to talk about the extreme interrogation techniques, AKA waterboarding, waterboarding torture. Yep. And I didn't find anything in the news of this day around that as a story, but that is going to come into the mix because that was a big news event.

And we're going to see a lot of debate around that and we see that actually depicted. In this episode it's yes, we, it's a dark moment for the show and it's a dark moment for the character. So to get into the discussion of the episode itself, right into the, the nuts and bolts of what we've been alluding at, I don't see a need to go plot point by plot point for this one.

I just wanna return to something that you and I said at the beginning of this episode, I loved this. I thought that it, for me, the, the one element that I recalled was the distorted features of the OSR that they capture mm-hmm and his reference to this is what the anomalies will do to the people aboard your ship.

So the, the warning there being, you will be twisted. You will become a twisted version of yourself. The metaphor of that can't be any more. It's in your face. It's, it's literally on his face, literally on his face. The idea of like you come in as one type of person, we showed up here, simply as merchants looking for new trade routes.

And when we realized we were stuck here and couldn't get back, we had to do whatever it took to survive. And we became the twisted creatures. You see now? So the enterprise at the beginning of the episode finds itself caught in. One of the many anomalies that they've experienced before we've seen in the first episode of the season, the gravity plating stops working in a cargo room and the cargo containers are literally shifting gravitational pole seems to be shifting between the walls so that every item in the cargo bay is falling effectively from one side of the room to the.

We see that in action. Now, ship wide, as there are massive distortions of it looks like physicality itself of inorganic matter. Looks like it is rippling and distorting. And there's nothing here that shows the kind of physical distortion of crew. There's no crew actually hurt by any of this. But you see the effects on the ship itself and the ship loses its ability to travel through warp and falls out of warp.

They effectively now are accidentally caught in a spider's web because what happens next is the sari vessel, which we will find out has been trapped on this side of the expanse for quite a while, and has turned to Pira. Shows up and is heavily armed, very aggressive storms, the enterprise, just to steal goods, one of the OS people and, and they kill some people.

One of the Osarians is captured. This is far more it's, we've seen this at the beginning of episodes previous to this where there's been some sort of unexpected conflict within the first few minutes of the episode to act like a hook. To get you into the story. This for me is the first time that it works. I felt like the action coming out of nowhere and having the results that it did, seeing the captain go to the sick bay and talk to flock.

And he is clearly he's in mourning and he's also pissed. He is upset about what is going on and the fact that he's lost a crewman. Yep. The emotional. Impact here seems far more. I don't know if there's an element of realism to it. That was on display. I feel like the acting in this one hits a higher level.

Not that I've been complaining about the acting in previous episodes, but this one in particular felt like Baula is plumbing depths of what Archer's motivations are in a way that that's really impressive and goes beyond what we've seen previously. They're exploring

something in, in star Trek. We normally don't see.

Cuz when you go back to the original series, rod, be's utopian ideal of where humanity had achieved. You know, there's no conflict, there's no more war. There's no more hunger. It's like this beautiful, pristine thing. This is interesting cuz it's like right it's before we've actually achieved all that.

We're on our way to that. We haven't done it quite yet. And then this terrorist attack is now being explored and pushing the show into a very dark space and. I think that's part of what you're was resonating with you. And it's resonating with me. It's we know what, what, what the Federation is going to become, but we're watching those struggles that they're having right now.

Yeah. Of are they gonna lose their way? Is it gonna go breaking bad or is it gonna go Federation, you know, with the prime directive, it's like, which path are they gonna go down? And right now they're flirting with the breaking bad path. And it's really interesting to. BA struggling with this cause he wants to, you can, he, he's the kind of guy that wants to do the right thing.

Mm-hmm but he has the pressure of his entire species on his shoulder. He's trying to literally save earth. And so that pressure is causing him to break and make choices that he normally would make. And. His performance is exceptional in this. Yeah. It's bubbling. It was bubbling under the surface in the last episode.

And it's like starting to come to a boil in this one. Yeah. And it, so when he makes the choice he does, when he basically tortures the man to get information out of him, it doesn't feel like it's a hard left turn. It's like we've seen ourselves getting there. Yeah. Just because of how he's been behaving all season.

But I do wanna kind of take. Backs up to where, how you preface this with the anomaly. I do wanna talk about the anomaly just a little bit. Mm-hmm it's interesting how they've they're they're very, this is one of those I'm so happy that they went down this path, cuz they've been slowly dropping the seeds of the anomalies.

Yeah. And that they've been saying, oh, it's bad. It's gonna be really bad. But what, what they've been seeing is just more of an annoyance and this is the first time we're seeing getting really bad and they discover. The hiding place of these pirates, which are basically on a gigantic sphere yeah. That they speculate is causing the anomalies.

So they're laying all these amazing mystery boxes of like, what is all of this, what this all feels interconnected. And it's clearly a puzzle with the enterprise crew is gonna have to figure out. And I love all of that, that they're setting up. And I also loved the

Portos alarm at the

beginning of the episode.

I just wrote down it in my notes of like beagle alarm it's. I love how all the animals like foxes animals and, and Portos all sense the anomalies happening before the humans do. And I thought that is so I love that, that little dash of, uh, that's what you see, like a tornado is about to happen. Yeah. And dogs will start barking.

It's like, what are you barking at? Nothing's happening? And then the funnel happens. And like everybody freaks out. It's like, they can sense it before it actually happens. Yeah. I love that. They had that element. It felt just a little. It didn't feel like a Alfred Hitchcock movie, but it was very Hitchcockian to me.

It was like, uh, oh, something bad's brewing it's like is freaking out. And then it was like, oh, all of Foxx is, animals are freaking out. What's gonna happen. It was a really nice tension building moment. So it's like, not just the performances for me. It's the writing. Yeah. It feels like this season has been kicked up a notch and I'm just loving it.

It's it's it's it's I'm right there with you. Yeah. This to me was a very tight episode. It was exciting. And a lot of action. But the performances of the, the dramatic aspects of it, of watching Archer go down this very bad path out of desperation, he's willing to torture another person to get information.

Yeah. And you get that in that, in the conversations that he has with the osian before he actually tortures him, he is presenting himself and we've had previous episodes. And now it's starting to make me feel like, oh, I, I. I didn't like what I saw previously, but now I'm like, there's actually a lot of brilliance in the choices that packula made.

Mm-hmm in those episodes previous to this, where he had to pretend he was some kind of mercenary or bad guy, and he always put on a kind of swagger to it of like, well, you know, I'm a tough guy and that's what tough guys do. And it always looked to me a little too dimensional mm-hmm and there was a part of me that was just like, why would Baula make that choice here?

He is making that earlier choice look like it's Archer's choice Archer mm-hmm is putting on that act. And this is what Archer is like when he is actually fully willing to step both feet into the dark water. Yep. And when you have that moment where the Osarian is saying, you don't look like the type of guy who's ready to do any of the stuff you're threaten.

It becomes those that scene is maybe two and a half, three minutes long. Mm-hmm it really is the heart of this episode because that's the moment where Archer you really, through macula's acting get to see Archer walks into the room, hoping that the, this captive will give him what he wants. because he already knows he's willing to go wherever he knows it.

Nobody else on the crew knows it. The moment he takes that guy at phase point through the hallways. and the guard outside the door responds with captain. Like, what the hell are you doing? I didn't expect you to walk out into the hallway. And then he passes another crew and, and simply says, and crewman as if he is walking along, just like, Hey Debbie, how he doing?

Yeah. Hey Debbie, how's it going? It's just like, he walks past and says that to her. And she just turns around and stares at him as he walks away. And by the time that Reed gets to the. Hatch where this man is now being starred with oxygen. Reed's response is you are murdering him. You are going to kill this, man.

If you don't change what you're doing and Reed's response. And Reed is the one in the show who's been saying like, we need to be ready for hard stuff. Mm-hmm but this hard stuff goes one step beyond what he was talking about. He was never talking about torturing people. So Archer's willingness to go there.

The steps that he's willing to take and the slow slide through the first episode yeah. Into this is very well timed. And I want to touch back again to the anomaly of what you said, which is to me, this episode, predates the series lost by a full year mm-hmm , but it feels very lost to. it feels very, we're gonna add elements to this that are gonna seem almost like magic.

They are gonna seem otherworldly in a way or even other dimensionally. Like they are not actually from this show mm-hmm and when they find the source of what they think is the source of the anomalies and it's this gigantic sphere, which they. Is filled with fusion reactors, only a handful of which are still operating.

And each one of those reactors is something like 12 kilometers long. Yeah. So the size it's over a thousand years old, too. It's over a thousand years old. It's enormous. They're able to fly a shuttle craft inside of it with ease. It's, it's, there's a massive super structure, which. Variety of fusion reactors.

It is doing things to space that nobody can quite understand. And it's where these osian pirates have effectively hold up, which makes it the final battle sequence between the enterprise. Yeah. And the osian pirates when they come back. There's no way of seeing through the cloaking field around this thing.

So the osarian have no idea that the enterprises actually found. Which makes that battle sequence the logistics of all of it. Perfect. I thought that this battle sequence was one of the best I can recall within track. I mean, it really they're laying in weight and they're just like, have they seen this yet?

Let's sneak up behind them and just shoot the crap out of them. It's an exciting climax.

I, so I wanted to talk about that too, because it's my favorite part of the entire show, which was that it was like a submarine battle. Yeah. Between these two guys, these two ships. and I don't know, there's a series of books.

I can't remember the actual titles of the books, but it's, it's about, uh, a guy called blackjack Geary, and he's a captain of a spaceship in a fleet that's defending humanity and it's a whole series of books. It's kind of a dime store, novel level. Sci-fi mm-hmm it's not great. Sci-fi mm-hmm but it's interesting.

It's actually written by a former, I think Naval officer, he came up with the whole series of books, his battle sequences of how sh how space battles would work is so. Accurate for what it would actually be like. Right. It's disturbing. And there were elements of that in this episode with the, how they were flying and they went into the, the, um, the cloaking field.

Yeah. And now, now they can't see each other. And it was like, it was like a submarine going once can go deeper than the other and the other one's trying to chase him down and it's like, we're getting crushed. We gotta turn around and go back. Right. And it was like this whole cat and mouse game. That was super exciting to see how they were gonna kind of face off with each.

and it was, it was so cool to see that, um, I'd recommend reading the black check every books, if you're curious to see how space battles would work, because it's nothing like you see in star Trek, typically , mm-hmm, , it's very cool. But that, that entire sequence was fun to see the crew and the captain of how they were thinking strategically of how to fight and like the whole thing of like, well, we can't just go tracking these people down.

We don't have enough fuel. And he's like, no, we're gonna let them come to us. Yeah. And it was like the whole. Cat and mouse around the sphere and how he was gonna trap them. And it just attacked them as soon as they came in, basically doing to them, what they did to them on the way into the Delphix fans.

Right. It was like, I loved it. I loved every aspect of that battle. Yeah. But I do wanna bring up one thing that we've kind of been talking about where the conversation between the OSR N and the captain, the first time they meet, this is the one week part of the show. In my opinion, the dialogue between them

felt forced.

It happened

too fast. Yeah. One of the very, they have literally just talked for the first time. And one of the first things out of the Sr's mouth is you call your you're so moral and high and mighty and blah, blah, blah. It's like you literally just started talking. How would you know that? Yeah. It's like, there's there's there's no, it was like, they wanted to get a shorthand right to it because they didn't, they felt like they didn't have enough time, but then the entire conversation, they have like two separate conversations that take probably three minutes.

They could have easily strung that out just a little longer without adding time to the show. And it was just kinda like they, they ran into that too fast. And so when I was watching the show, it was kinda like, what, what, you're too moral. You just met the guy, you, how would you know that? How would you possibly know that?

I think that

for me, I, I noticed that as well, but I quickly explained it away that there might have been an. Scene moment where Reed could have said something to the captain of like, he keeps acting belligerent, but I keep explaining to him that we're not gonna do to him what he did, what his crew did to us like that he didn't have to do that.

He didn't have to. My whole thing was. They could have been, instead of saying like, just from the way you're treating me, you you're so moral. Right. It's like he could have literally said that. Right. And it would've been like, oh, okay. Cause the fact that they didn't kill him on spot and they put him in a chamber and they're holding him.

Right. It's like, and they're treating him with respect. It's like, they're making sure he's comfortable in this little self. He could have made a one sentence. Just like, kind of like, just from the way you're treating me. You're clearly you're too moral. Yeah. It's like he could have said. But he kind of, even the way it was done, he kind of regained a little bit of that.

Oh, okay. When he explained his whole, when we got here, we were just like you and blah, blah, blah. Yeah. He could have went through the whole thing that kind of softened, that initial reaction I had of like, oh, he's making a judgment call of like, ah, this remem this reminds me of when we first came here, the way these guys are.

But it wasn't clear at a front. So it felt a little too

forced, a simple revising, I think a simple revising of the lines and the vein that you talked about, would've fixed that of, of, instead of being like you're too moral. I agree with you, him saying something along the lines of, I remember when we used to act like this and that would've been enough mm-hmm enough.

And then of course you have the, the climactic battle sequence. I love the fact that Archer's entire thing is like, we've got less to lose. In this moment than they do, because they think that they can't leave. So this is their safest place. So we'll just threaten this place. I love the fact that it, when they go into the field and he's like, take us back to the station.

Yeah. And then we're gonna shoot the station. We're just gonna shoot. We're gonna threaten blow. We're gonna threaten to blow this thing up. We're just gonna shoot it until they come back out. And the ultimate. Response to all of this is not about destroying that vessel. It's about stealing computer files that I love that it had that element to it, that they are trying to stay within a certain range of thisme vessel, simply to be able to use the computer codes, to be able to steal the, the xindi information that this alien ship has.

And like you said, it is a depiction of in that moment, all the different members of the crew. Working together toward a common goal in a multifaceted way. Hoshi is furiously trying to maintain the computer connection, to be able to steal as much of the computer information as possible. Meanwhile, the piloting of the ship, which is depicted again in a way that makes you wish that we got more of Mayweather, but Mayweather's expertise and being able to fly the ship in hos.

And the whole thing with you end up with a few moments where Toal is the one who keeps raising an eyebrow at Archer's willingness to go one step further mm-hmm . So at this point, she is the one who recommends, perhaps we should look for other sources of fuel, other sources of the resources we need to continue our mission.

And Archer's response is largely. Not willing to waste time doing that and potentially stranding us. The unspoken is also, I wanna get to the business of what we're doing and there's a, there's a heaviness to arches motives that's on display. And I think for me, ultimately, this episode is probably the best in a long time.

For me. I love this episode mm-hmm and it made me very excited about the next. Yeah,

me too. I'm in the same

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Uh, just stay tuned to, uh, the undecided with Matt Ferrell, YouTube channel. I have an episode coming up this week. By the time this episode comes out, it'll already be out about taking nuclear fusion technology and applying it to drilling for geothermal energy in the ground. And it's. It's literally Sean, a death Ray.

It's really . It's really cool. It's really cool. So, well

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