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Chapters
  • (00:00) - PreShow Banter™ — Shock Site Value
  • (10:39) - All Your RAM Now Belong To Sam -2026-11-02
  • (14:42) - Proton’s Reported “Loser Thinking” Response to Security Testing
  • (21:04) - Linux MPTCP Vulnerability and Patching Concerns
  • (24:16) - Telegram Android Flaw: Code Execution Through Voice Calls
  • (24:56) - Reported Binance Hack: Hot Wallets and Exchange Security
  • (34:20) - Sam Altman’s RAM Comments Spark Backlash
  • (38:35) - Oracle Remote Code Execution & Cisco SD-WAN Flaw
  • (38:52) - PHP2Shell and Node2Shell Follow-Up
  • (39:12) - Windows Kerberos Delegation Abuse
  • (39:53) - Pwn2Own: Chaining Four Microsoft Edge Logic Bugs
  • (40:30) - AI-Assisted Vulnerability Research: Costs and Expertise
  • (45:33) - Reddit’s Reported Move Toward Login-Required Access
  • (46:31) - Google AI Summaries and Accuracy Concerns
  • (49:00) - Data Center Cargo Theft and GPS Spoofing
  • (54:35) - Repurposing Consumer GPUs for AI Infrastructure
  • (55:43) - Doc Blackburn’s Introductory Cryptography Course — December 4
  • (56:40) - Post-Quantum Cryptography and Long-Term Data Protection
  • (59:12) - Election Day Reminder and Ballot Tracking
  • (59:33) - Wade Wells’ Upcoming Conference Update
  • (01:00:53) - John Strand’s Core Skills in the Age of AI — November 10–11
  • (01:02:26) - Discord Message Discoverability and Privacy Settings
  • (01:09:15) - Proposed EU Changes to AI Training and Data Consent

Links
Proton’s Reported “Loser Thinking” Response to Security Testing
Linux MPTCP Vulnerability and Patching Concerns
Telegram Android Flaw: Code Execution Through Voice Calls
Reported Binance Hack: Hot Wallets and Exchange Security
Sam Altman’s RAM Comments Spark Backlash
Oracle Remote Code Execution & Cisco SD-WAN Flaw
Windows Kerberos Delegation Abuse
Pwn2Own: Chaining Four Microsoft Edge Logic Bugs
Reddit’s Reported Move Toward Login-Required Access
Google AI Summaries and Accuracy Concerns
Data Center Cargo Theft and GPS Spoofing
Repurposing Consumer GPUs for AI Infrastructure
Doc Blackburn’s Introductory Cryptography Course — December 4
Post-Quantum Cryptography and Long-Term Data Protection
John Strand’s Core Skills in the Age of AI — November 10–11
Discord Message Discoverability and Privacy Settings
Proposed EU Changes to AI Training and Data Consent

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Creators and Guests

Host
Bronwen Aker
Bronwen Aker is a BHIS Technical Editor who joined full-time in 2022 after years of contract work, bringing decades of web development and technical training experience to her roles in editing pentest reports, enhancing QA/QC processes, and improving public websites, and who enjoys sci-fi/fantasy, Animal Crossing, and dogs outside of work.
Host
Corey Ham
Corey Ham has been with Black Hills Information Security (BHIS) since 2021 delivering red teaming and OSINT services. Currently, Corey leads the ANTISOC team at BHIS, providing subscription-based continuous red teaming to BHIS clients. Outside of his time at BHIS, you can find him out in the woods or up on a mountain somewhere.
Host
Ralph May
Ralph is a U.S. Army veteran and former DoD contractor who supported the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) with information security challenges and threat actor simulations. Over the past decade, he has provided offensive security services at Optiv Security and Black Hills Information Security (BHIS) across various industries. His expertise spans network, physical, and wireless penetration testing, social engineering, and advanced adversarial emulation through red and purple team assessments. Ralph has developed several tools, including Bitor (set to release in January 2025) and Warhorse, which enhance efficiency in penetration testing infrastructure and operations. He has spoken at numerous conferences, including DEF CON, Black Hat, Hack Miami, B-Sides Tampa, and Hack Space Con.
Host
Wade Wells
Wade Wells has been working in cybersecurity for a decade, focusing on detection engineering, threat intelligence, and defensive operations. Wade currently works as a Lead Detection Engineer at 1Password, where he helps build and mature scalable detection programs. Outside of his day-to-day work, Wade is deeply involved in the security community through teaching, mentoring, podcasting, and running local events
Guest
Aisling nic Lynne "siriciryel"
Aisling nic Lynne is a cybersecurity practitioner with strong interest in privacy and forensics, all the way back to setting up GPG inside her AOL IMs in college. Her broad technical background includes being a sysop for a top-20 supercomputer, high-energy particle physics experiments, and aero engine engineering. She is a second-generation ttrpg player, handyma'am, and would collect more Star Wars LEGO sets if only she had a place to put them. Some people want to see the world burn; she wants to see people's eyes alight with understanding.
Guest
Doc Blackburn
Doc Blackburn is a seasoned (old) cybersecurity instructor with decades of experience in IT, security, and compliance. Over his career, he has worked in many areas of IT, including systems administration, programming, network design, cloud services, web development, and risk management, bringing a broad technical foundation to his teaching. For more than 13 years, Doc has trained students and professionals to understand, implement, and maintain effective security practices, drawing on real-world consulting experience in compliance frameworks such as NIST SP 800-171, CIS Critical Controls, and MITRE ATT&CK. Known for making complex concepts accessible to all audiences, he blends technical depth with practical insights, preparing learners to address today’s evolving cyber threats.
Producer
Ryan Poirier
Ryan Poirier began his time at Black Hills Information Security (BHIS) as the Video Producer and Editor in August 2020. Ryan polishes and perfects every webcast, podcast, and workshop on the BHIS, ACM, and WWHF YouTube Channels. Prior to Ryan’s time at BHIS, he worked for one of the largest public schools in the United States, conducting their video production and live broadcasting. He joined the BHIS team because he felt like it would be a great group of people to work with, and he couldn’t pass up the perfect next step in his career. Outside of his time with BHIS, Ryan does freelance photography, attends Cars & Coffee events, and expands his knowledge of audio and videos.

What is Talkin' Bout [Infosec] News?

A weekly Podcast with BHIS and Friends. We discuss notable Infosec, and infosec-adjacent news stories gathered by our community news team. Join us live on YouTube, Monday's at 4:30PM ET.

Wade Wells:

The first thing I ever downloaded... First video I ever downloaded off the internet was a South Park episode. It was the Lord of the Rings episode.

Corey Ham:

Did you put it on your iPod? I

Doc Blackburn:

think I...

Wade Wells:

Dude, I didn't even have an iPod then. I still like...

Corey Ham:

Zoom? Come on. How far back do I have to go?

Wade Wells:

It was before like m p three. It was it was when I met... What was the thing before Limewire? AVI? Oh.

Wade Wells:

Something.

Corey Ham:

I don't know, dude. Before Limewire was nastier.

Wade Wells:

It took a year. Well, it was like in between that. It took forever to download it.

Corey Ham:

Yeah.

Wade Wells:

The first song I ever downloaded was Hey You by Outcast. Alright.

Corey Ham:

And Wade Wade just admitting all of his crimes.

Wade Wells:

Allegedly. Comes on. I think Wade is starting to

Corey Ham:

stop recording.

Wade Wells:

It was after I recorded

Corey Ham:

How do you remember this, dude? I don't remember the first song I downloaded online, Ryan. I just remember googling or not googling, I guess. Just searching for random things. Like, I have no context for what it actually was.

Wade Wells:

I I was... Like, for a young eight, like, I was incredibly... There's some other darker stories, but I was very good with computers earlier on. But it wasn't in like a hacking method. It was more of just like get shit for free method.

Wade Wells:

Piracy. Like the original... Manipulate the rules. Right? Or like finding hacks for video games.

Wade Wells:

Like, I stumbled across a video game forum that also had porn on it. And then I was like, oh, that's funny. And then I sent it to a buddy of mine, and the next thing you know, half the school is on the website at school. And they got caught, and I was like, that's the great... There goes my, like,

Corey Ham:

hacking program.

Wade Wells:

Can't access that from school anymore. That was... Yeah. Like, stuff like that.

Corey Ham:

It is kinda fun to think about how we... Like, this is one of my hot takes is like this. Our vintage Wade grew up in the era of like, we're both children and the Internet was completely unfiltered. It's like like, dude, 4chan and, like, LiveLeak and all these websites that we just grew up, like, thinking were normal. It's just like, oh, there's a guy getting killed.

Corey Ham:

Oh, thanks, Internet.

Wade Wells:

Bro, man.

Corey Ham:

Thanks. That... Like, I don't think I don't think kids now are having that experience. I think they're having a potentially just as damaging experience in different ways. It's more manipulative, and it's more like...

Corey Ham:

It's more addicting. It's been engineered more now. But it's like, we grew up in that era of just complete unfiltered, like

Wade Wells:

it was less less less like rotten.com and like shock site value, and more of like Fortnite click... Clicking the same button to get more coins.

Corey Ham:

Doom scrolling. Like a damn. Doom scrolling and like the the brain... What is it called? Brain rot and that kind of stuff.

Corey Ham:

Just like having six... Like, it's not like the video of, like, the iPhone duo and you have, like, TikTok on the left and YouTube shorts on the right. You're just, like, swiping on both at the same

Wade Wells:

time. Dude. You could say... I can't even stand shorts. Oh my god.

Wade Wells:

You say like Albino black sheep was

Corey Ham:

like More of pants gal.

Wade Wells:

Time.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean... Well, yeah. I don't know. It's just an interesting...

Corey Ham:

Like, it's just funny that, like Man. You know, a lot of people grew up with the Internet in a different way, but we got, like, a specific brand of the Internet where, you know, you had this. You you never knew what you were gonna find.

Wade Wells:

The the biggest form of social media was like hot or not. And you're like, okay. Let's see what I am. And you throw yourself on there.

Corey Ham:

Rate my professor or whatever.

Wade Wells:

Rate my professor, dude. That was a key part of my college is going on to May my professor. Just seeing what class is easiest. Will

Corey Ham:

say Yeah. You're like you're like, which... Are they are they harsh? Are they not harsh? You know, like, are they Doc, you're

Bronwen May:

the only ones in the room who grew up before the Internet?

Wade Wells:

I'm starting to feel that way. You definitely are.

Doc Blackburn:

When you guys said that Bronwen When I

Wade Wells:

was a kid, the Internet was young. It's like when I was a kid

Corey Ham:

much older.

Doc Blackburn:

There was no... It it

Bronwen May:

I'm 62 Aisling.

Aisling nic Lynne:

I'm 47.

Bronwen May:

No. I'm six. There's

Wade Wells:

a gap.

Corey Ham:

Bronwen, like, you're young. No. It's alright.

Bronwen May:

You're you're you're old and... You're young enough to be my child, and I would be very proud.

Wade Wells:

Bronwen, you gotta check your mic input. Thank you.

Bronwen May:

Yeah. I had to turn the gain down last time. Hold on a second.

Wade Wells:

Sounds on the wrong note. I could be your mom card.

Bronwen May:

I I... You know, it's really scary is when I run across people and I can pull the grandma card. What?

Wade Wells:

How do we how do we get rid like I wanna I know like the the common lingo used to be like Trump card. Like how do we how do we get rid of that term?

Corey Ham:

Go fish.

Wade Wells:

Go fish card. Winner card.

Corey Ham:

I mean, just say one up. What

Wade Wells:

the one up? Yeah. The ace. The ace. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Say one up. You don't have to use invoke the...

Wade Wells:

For name. For some reason, like, drilled into my mind was this... There used to be this game on Albino Black Sheep called Pole, and you were this large... Very large person who escaped from a scientist center, and were trying to escape, and he was just rolling, and it was like the dinosaur game.

Corey Ham:

Have you ever heard of Katamari, dude? Come on.

Wade Wells:

Very very similar to Katamari.

Corey Ham:

Go back to the original. I remember being a kid and finding out about Katamari, and I was... I immediately loved this game. Like, it's just such a hilariously Japanese concept of just like, yeah, you have to roll up the whole world. It makes sense.

Corey Ham:

Don't question it.

Wade Wells:

I wonder how many games

Bronwen May:

Ryan has sounded better now.

Corey Ham:

That sounds much better.

Bronwen May:

Jelly battery.

Corey Ham:

All that stuff's backed up, dude. We I had to turn down

Bronwen May:

the game for something last time. So

Corey Ham:

Flash is completely emulated. All that stuff is... That is not. You can go play. Do want...

Corey Ham:

For the games that, like, radicalized me is... What was it? Motherload? Dude, I got so addicted to that game.

Wade Wells:

Remember moth... Yeah. Motherload was crazy.

Corey Ham:

All the the ex gen studios, the stick figure game. I forget what it was called. Sticks life simulator or something.

Wade Wells:

Yeah. Yeah. Engine.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Don't worry. Not all all these are still around. I don't think any of these

Ralph May:

things will I had be time, I must spend life simulator. Is this like a game where you try to, like, live your life?

Corey Ham:

It was it was like you're a stick figure, and you Yeah. Like, it was it was kind of hilarious. It was like, you know, you go around... Like, you can, like, go to college. It's like an RPG, but it, done in Flash.

Corey Ham:

And you could, like, you could, like, lift weights or, like, go to, you know, go to class or whatever, like, level up your education.

Ralph May:

Oh, is like early early Sims then. Right?

Wade Wells:

Yeah. It's like No. But like It's like

Corey Ham:

cheap knock off Sims? It's like Flash Sims. It's like you're at school in study hall playing it in a browser because you can't actually install a real game.

Wade Wells:

It's like it's like you're playing it. It's like you're playing RuneScape instead of Wow. And then this is like a step below RuneScape.

Ralph May:

Do do they still make The Sims game? Is that like...

Corey Ham:

Oh, yeah. Dude, I bet you I bet you The Sims game. I I bet you The Sims games series and all the DLCs probably make billions a year. I would guess.

Bronwen May:

I'm sure they do.

Wade Wells:

Oh my god. We talk are about this all

Bronwen May:

just coming out with new crap.

Wade Wells:

I I decided I decided after a twenty year hiatus, I'm gonna play Wow forever and see how it is. And I have...

Corey Ham:

That's a long time.

Wade Wells:

Which is why have huge conversation

Bronwen May:

in one of the meetings today about people going to Wow forever.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. So there's honestly, if you're a big gamer, just take the next month off. You've got Wow forever. And then after that GTA six. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

And also, AI is not gonna make anything better. You're gonna come back to the same old dumpster fire.

Wade Wells:

I I figured I figured I could just have Orca on my phone working for me as I just like play. Right? Like, that's pretty much...

Ralph May:

What's what's wow?

Wade Wells:

What's wow? Okay. Know, I I...

Corey Ham:

Dude. We were... No. We're not we're not going there. We don't wanna get people addicted.

Corey Ham:

This is not a drug show. Okay?

Wade Wells:

It is a drug show. Right. We just

Corey Ham:

usually We have chicken only get people addicted to flash games that can be completely completed in, maybe twenty minutes max. If you... It has to be, like, within one period of study hall.

Ralph May:

The whole game has to

Corey Ham:

be completed.

Ralph May:

Have my AI agent playing Wow for me just so I can level up.

Wade Wells:

I I did think about that. I did think... Was like, how... Could Claude play Wow for me? And then it re...

Wade Wells:

I asked it. I'm like, how could we do this? And it's like, it's against the terms. And I'm like...

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Well, they just added that. I don't know if we have an article. This is like a pre show article.

Wade Wells:

Did see that.

Corey Ham:

But they've added Opus five five. They added in special safeguards for video game reverse engineering.

Ralph May:

God darn it. Now I'm never gonna be a game developer.

Corey Ham:

Dude, it's okay because we can still play Tony Hawk in Modern Warfare three. So it's fine.

Ralph May:

I saw some I saw some Reddit post about this, and they were like, you know, see if they could get their... Oh, this one was specific... Not about the game one, but it's definitely related. It was about them trying to remove ads from their TV and, like, Opus being like, hey. No.

Ralph May:

I I can't do this because

Corey Ham:

Yeah.

Ralph May:

Yeah. So on and so forth. Right? But, like, the sticking point wasn't that you couldn't remove the ads. The sticking point that it was...

Ralph May:

That was, like, holding his line on is that, like, I can't find a zero day so that you can rootkit this device Because, technically, it's not just your device. It would be everyone's device that I found the rootkit on. So I'm gonna stop my line there.

Wade Wells:

So

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the guardrails... I mean, dude, I'm sure even on the CVP, like, you you still have to fight with Claude a decent amount to be like, no. It's okay.

Corey Ham:

Yes. This was classified as a third party attack. That's correct. That is what pen testing is. Like, you think about that.

Wade Wells:

Like, the number one use of obliterated models is just getting rid of ads on things. Like, that's...

Ralph May:

I know.

Corey Ham:

I know.

Ralph May:

Oh, I've gotten really good at spinning up obliterated models. I've got techniques to spin them up really fast to do anything I want. Right? Not on my hardware, but still under my control.

Wade Wells:

Just renting other people's other people's tokens? What's

Corey Ham:

that called?

Ralph May:

Other people's GPUs to spin up obliterated models to do stuff with.

Wade Wells:

I was wondering why my server was heaped All up last

Corey Ham:

he's trying to do is just download World of Warcraft.

Ralph May:

I know. Oh, god. Anyway just want a model to say yes. That's all.

Corey Ham:

He he just has a... He... After days of using Claude, you just want a model that will say yes. After all those refusals, all those safeguards, oh, I won't do it, and I won't try to get around the safeguard, and I'm scared, and I'm giving up. I'm giving up.

Corey Ham:

Alright. Let's roll the finger. Let's get started. Hello, and welcome to Black Hills Information Security's Talkin' Bout News. It's 11/02/2026.

Corey Ham:

I can't believe it's November.

Ralph May:

Ain't

Corey Ham:

neither. That's crazy. We're just gonna we're just gonna brush brush over that. Why am I being enhanced in Zoom? I'm scared.

Corey Ham:

Enhance. Mhmm. How's it going, everyone? My name is Corey Ham. I'm CEO of Black Hills Infosec.

Corey Ham:

We got a bunch of stories for you. We got some Linux kernel flaws and, you know, niche features that no one uses. We've got AI doomers. We've got all kinds of fun things.

Wade Wells:

Feel like that bug is being chained. Like like, it's just vulnerability after vulnerability. Is this the new normal, Corey?

Ralph May:

Yeah. Yes.

Wade Wells:

Am I just gonna be on constant IR? Like...

Corey Ham:

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Honestly, with the Linux thing, just be glad that apps get update and upgrade actually fixes it. You don't have to go and recode your web server. It's a little easier than it was last time.

Corey Ham:

Anyway, we should do introductions. Wade, how's it going? You wanna introduce yourself? I'll I'll leave it to you this time.

Wade Wells:

What what is my title? The lot... Reader of logs, keeper of the truth. My name is Wade Wells. That's good enough.

Wade Wells:

You can find me.

Corey Ham:

I saw your shirt, and I, for some reason, thought it said R S232, which is nerdy, but I think it's actually even nerdier than what's

Wade Wells:

It's even nerdier. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the it's it's a little bit nerdy. This is a it's RFC five three two two.

Wade Wells:

It's

Corey Ham:

a Okay.

Wade Wells:

What is that? It's a Sublime shirt,

Doc Blackburn:

which is Sublime.

Corey Ham:

What is it? Markdown? Is r f c five three two two?

Wade Wells:

Now, you're gonna make me...

Corey Ham:

Don't even know the r f c?

Wade Wells:

I do know what r c for I was correct.

Corey Ham:

Oh, okay. So it's a email filtering shirt. Okay.

Wade Wells:

Yes.

Corey Ham:

Alright. Anyway, thank you for the introduction. Awesome shirt. Go read that r f c. I'm sure every email gateway is compliant with r f c five three two two.

Corey Ham:

Bronwen, do you wanna introduce yourself? How's it going?

Bronwen May:

Hello. I'm Bronwen, AI researcher, reader of reports, slayer of bad grammar, The usual.

Corey Ham:

Love it. You're probably getting a lot of kills in the world of AI. Oh, god. Pretty You know,

Bronwen May:

used to be better. They've gotten worse.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Because they're... You know, it's the whole, like, thing. They're being trained on their own data and, you know, it's a whole, a... You know?

Corey Ham:

Anyway, there's a reason we're cutting up books. We also have Aisling. Aisling, you wanna introduce yourself?

Wade Wells:

Hi. I

Aisling nic Lynne:

am one of the community leaders from BHS Discord, and I do a lot of reading the news and chatting with people about it.

Corey Ham:

Nice. I hope your takes are in the microwave right now being heated up. Unless you don't believe in microwaves. In which case, I hope they're in the air fryer, I guess. Air?

Wade Wells:

Oh, god. I don't want to...

Aisling nic Lynne:

Don't wanna set my house on fire.

Corey Ham:

We also have Doc Blackburn. Doc, you wanna introduce yourself?

Doc Blackburn:

Hello. I'm Doc Blackburn.

Corey Ham:

Nice. Oh,

Doc Blackburn:

thank you. More than that. No.

Corey Ham:

No. It's it's okay. We'll we'll give you a chance to introduce yourself through hot takes. It'll be like, you have to like, let us slowly, like, as you as you react, you have to be like, oh, and by the way, here's what I do.

Doc Blackburn:

I was I was I was practicing my reactions. I've got a new one.

Corey Ham:

Okay. Well, that one's pretty good. If you're not good for audio people, though. For for those on audio, he had a really good reaction. You have to you had to be there.

Corey Ham:

You had to see it.

Doc Blackburn:

I'm sorry. For for those audio people, my my reaction is what?

Corey Ham:

Nice. Excellent work. And then lastly, but not least, Lee, we have Ralph May. How's it going, Ralph?

Ralph May:

It's going good. Amateur AI wrangler and professional gator hunter.

Corey Ham:

Nice. I Very nice. I I think we should start out by just dispelling any illusions that getting a pen test is loser thinking.

Ralph May:

Loser thinking? What?

Corey Ham:

Is this the actual title? Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Corey Ham:

So here's the article. It's gotta be hot.

Ralph May:

I can feel it.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Okay. So this is this is real. It's funny. It's mostly just like, basically a tale of how not to run a company.

Corey Ham:

So four zero four Media this week published an article about, basically, the corporate culture and, you know, messages about the Proton, I guess. So like, whatever... If you're thinking of Proton, you don't know what that is, it's like the VPN, but then they also do other stuff. They do, like, email now and a bunch of other things.

Bronwen May:

Well, actually, they started with email.

Corey Ham:

Okay. So email was first. Email. Yeah.

Bronwen May:

Yeah. Email was Now they've got a whole suite of things, but they're based in Switzerland. And allegedly, they are very much pro privacy and that kind of stuff.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. So, anyway, they're... At some point, they were the good guys, but now they've successfully morphed themselves into the bad guys.

Ralph May:

This is a Batman story in the making.

Corey Ham:

It's it's straight up Batman story. So basically Mad scientist.

Aisling nic Lynne:

The hilarious quote. Founded by certain people. So this is a physicist going bonkers.

Corey Ham:

Okay. Well, yeah. That's not surprising somehow.

Wade Wells:

On that. Yeah.

Bronwen May:

I don't know what it is about physicists. They're just weird.

Corey Ham:

I think it's when they lean into the proton accelerator, and it pierces their brain and deletes the part that says social grace. That just got deleted, lobotomized.

Bronwen May:

No. No. No. They start out without social graces. Trust me.

Bronwen May:

There's reasons why they go into physics.

Corey Ham:

Okay. Well, anyway, back to the article. If you're a physicist, we're sorry. Do better. Basically, the the main, like, quotable piece of the article is that someone in Slack posted like, hey, guys, maybe we should get a pen test or maybe like scan our code for vulnerabilities before we publish it.

Corey Ham:

And the CEO, Andy Yen responded in the Slack saying, that's loser thinking. So then there's a bunch more context on like, essentially, the, you know, the CEO is pushing hard for AI, which is like, okay. From a positioning perspective, I understand. If you're a CEO, you should be pushing hard for AI. But the way that they're doing it, they're like, re interviewing people.

Corey Ham:

It's very much like secret AI police vibes. And people aren't really that into it, as you'd imagine. It's it's just a crazy culture to have of being like, getting a pen test is loser thinking, especially when you're a company that your whole business is trust. Your whole, like, if you get hacked, if there's one vulnerability, if there's one CVE, you lose all your trust, and you probably lose half of your clients. So maybe don't think like that, but also, hey, you do you, man.

Corey Ham:

Don't worry. That's job security for us pen testers. If you think your AI doesn't need to be pen tested, and you think your vibe coded software is fine to go live without it being pen tested, then you do you. But... Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Anyway, that's kind of the article. Obviously, I'm a little biased as a pen tester. But it is kind of a view into what corporate culture might be like for a lot of people of, like, the AI, the re interviewing. I don't know. What do you guys think?

Corey Ham:

Any hot takes on this?

Ralph May:

So was the AI... Was was his argument, we don't need to No. Don't because need we have AI?

Corey Ham:

Correct. He's basically like, build it fast, rebuild it. Like, you know, you don't need to you don't need to get a pen test. That's loser thinking.

Bronwen May:

In other words, he's drunk the move fast and break things Kool Aid coming out of Silicon Valley.

Corey Ham:

Correct. Yeah. And definitely, there's been a lot of blowback from this as you'd imagine. I I I was thinking to myself when I was reading this. I hope I never do anything that is worth leaking to four zero four media.

Corey Ham:

Like that. Like, that's my, like, that's my goal in life. Never do anything at this company that would be worth leaking to four zero four media as being just that bad. So anyway, they've since I guess canceled the whole re interview thing.

Ralph May:

Which good.

Wade Wells:

I I... I've seen the the AI interviewing stuff a lot, like, them tracking AI usage at least. Like, as blue teamers go, like, that is something that's actually, like, really hard to look at. They tell you, like, AI conversation logs are hard and many and don't follow your traditional detection schema, but you can, like, figure out who's using it the most and the most efficiently pretty fast. I have had colleagues tell me about, like, hey.

Wade Wells:

They're asking us, like, who's using it the most and best, and then other companies then putting that on performance reviews. Right?

Corey Ham:

Totally. I mean Are are you using times? Think the framing is the thing that's wrong here. This is a failure. This is a classic example of like, why public relations and framing matters.

Corey Ham:

The actual concept of like, we can move faster than waiting two weeks for a pen test. That's reasonable. It's reasonable to expect your employees who are developers to be using AI. It's just not reasonable to make it into a, like, loser thinking is not a term that you should be saying as a CEO to your employees. You're basically calling whoever said that a loser.

Corey Ham:

That's not exactly the most positive, you know, beneficial work culture to have. And, you know, the the ideas aren't necessarily wrong. I don't necessarily disagree with them. It's just the framing of it and the way that's going about it that is super, you know, toxic. But whatever.

Bronwen May:

Well, of course, you know, for holding it, question is...

Doc Blackburn:

Everybody gets pen tested. It's just some of us, we authorize them.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. They will be pen tested, especially now that they've put themselves squarely in the crosshairs.

Doc Blackburn:

Hurt me. Congratulations. What you just said.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Anyway, pentested, not loser thinking. We're moving on. So this Linux... There's a Linux bug.

Corey Ham:

It's RCE CVE twenty twenty six nine eight four three two. It's RCE, but it's RCE in like the most extremely niche configuration, and there is no public RCE for this. It's not in the Kev. Patcher Linux, basically, is the long story short. The bug is in the MPTCP, which is multi path networking.

Corey Ham:

Pretty niche feature to have enabled. Obviously, some people will be using it, most won't. It's not in the cab, like I said. It's basically as simple as an app to get upgrade type scenario. I don't know.

Corey Ham:

Interesting. It's... It was discovered by Anthropic. Right? They I know.

Corey Ham:

For now have kinda kept the, you know, reins around the public RCE. DOS is probably likely soon. And then maybe someday, we'll get an RCE. I mean, it basically... You could probably assume right now that every AI model is being purposed to try to write RCEs for this vulnerability.

Corey Ham:

But

Ralph May:

the tokens are just going wild right now.

Corey Ham:

The tokens are going...

Ralph May:

It's like as soon as someone like announces there's a new vulnerability, they don't even have to announce the details of it. Everyone's just like, alright. Let's see if we can find it first. Right? Can we be second in line?

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I think... I mean, I did some AI sleuthing on this. I think that I would guess that a true RCE is gonna be pretty rare, not only because of the tokens required to build it, but also because of this MPTCP thing. It's just rare to see that configured in in use Mhmm.

Corey Ham:

Which is like multi path. I don't know. It's like an optional Linux feature or something. I mean, there might be like IoT applications or things like that, but mostly it's gonna be probably used for DOS. So patch your stuff for the DOS and get RC benefits out of it.

Corey Ham:

There is also a mitigation. I believe there's a IP or EB tables or whatever rule you can add to mitigate it. But yeah. Also, is Ubuntu... Ubuntu is delayed their patch?

Corey Ham:

I don't think it's out yet, which is kinda funny. That...

Aisling nic Lynne:

That's the part that makes this sort of interesting is that Ubuntu has basically gone,

Corey Ham:

yeah.

Aisling nic Lynne:

I don't know. Maybe we'll get around to it, I guess. But Debbie and upstream of them has already done it, and there's someone who's flipping out very loudly, about how Ubuntu is just not doing anything despite being a company that claims that it does all of this stuff and takes care of vulnerabilities very quickly, yada yada yada. And they

Corey Ham:

You know what they should do is put it put it behind Ubuntu Pro. That would go over really well.

Ralph May:

You only get the latest CVE patches with Ubuntu Pro.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, I I will say, I've been an Ubuntu guy for many decades, and I've never had a reason to switch. Maybe this is my reason. I don't know.

Ralph May:

Just go straight Debbie, it's really the same.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. It's not like it it's not like it matters.

Wade Wells:

I mean

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Let's be honest.

Ralph May:

It's not like you it's not like you use Ubuntu for the amazing interface.

Corey Ham:

No. No. It's not like it matters. What else? There was a telegram flaw on Android that let attackers run code when you answer a voice call.

Corey Ham:

So basically, this would never be exploited because no one ever answers a call on telegram. No. I'm just kidding. Yeah. So this is fixed, disclosed, kind of a silly thing.

Corey Ham:

But, yeah, pretty bad overall. I I asked my Claude. I was like, is this intentional? What do you think? Do you think this...

Corey Ham:

Was this on purpose? Like, are they... Did some nation state pay for this bug to be put into the Android app? I don't know. Gotcha.

Corey Ham:

But it is fixed.

Ralph May:

Can can we talk about the elephant in the room?

Wade Wells:

Yeah. I was about to say, why aren't we talking about Bydance?

Corey Ham:

Oh, Bydance? Why is that we talking about Bydance?...

Ralph May:

Ever. This is like lots of money. We're talking billions.

Corey Ham:

Two... Was it 2 bill? Alright. Fine. Fine.

Ralph May:

No. 6,300,000,000.

Doc Blackburn:

But they stopped... How much...

Wade Wells:

They said they, like, stopped half of the transfers. Right? Like

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. It's it's like I It's interesting, but it's freaking crypto. So it's not interesting because it's like, oh, no. We'll just undo

Bronwen May:

all not interesting to you.

Wade Wells:

I think the itself, like, the hack itself from what I've read or from what I've

Ralph May:

Yeah.

Wade Wells:

Guess seen, it was like a twenty minutes. They were on host and able to do it. Right? Which I think is scary AF.

Corey Ham:

So does anyone actually, like, have a full deep dive into how this actually happened? Was it social engineering? What what actually happened?

Ralph May:

They they... It looks from... Alright. So by the way, there's no like exact clear like diagnostics of what exactly happened.

Corey Ham:

But They haven't published their own thing.

Ralph May:

Yeah. Some reporting is that developer laptop or device was compromised. I do believe it was some type of social engineering, and it kinda went from there. Right? So just, you know, accessed to a laptop that in turn got access to their hot wallets, not the cold wallets from what I could gather.

Ralph May:

Right? But it was just so much money in the hot wallets. And it was also a bunch of different tokens. It wasn't just one. So it was BNB.

Ralph May:

It was it was a bunch of other ones that they had available. And so the total was something like 7,000,000,000 or 6,300,000,000, and it was very fast. They did recover or, like, stop essentially transactions. Like, once they figured it out

Corey Ham:

Yeah.

Ralph May:

The chain, they could... You know? Essentially, the the money can move, but the off roads are where they stop the money from moving. Right? It's where you try to exchange that to whole car...

Ralph May:

Hard currency or some other kind of currency that makes it difficult. So... Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

I mean, it's it's probably North Korea. Right? Like, most likely, they're... Yeah. Lazarus Group is, like, the most notorious

Ralph May:

That's how they everything.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. That's how they... Been selling a lot of nuclear missiles tip for Bitcoins recently, but, you know, whatever. The transactions go through, so it's fine.

Wade Wells:

The crazy part is they said that they're gonna reimburse everybody. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Of course. That's the thing about crypto, because they'll freeze most... Those 6,300,000,000, they've already frozen three of that 6,300,000,000. And it's more about, like like Ralph was saying, the off ramps are essentially nonexistent. Like, the mixers like Tornado Cash or the other, like, crypto mixers They can't make this no.

Corey Ham:

Money. They don't have 6,300,000,000 in liquidity to, like, swap around. Also, this is like some... Someone in the audience could do this math. If I make $6,300,000,000 in twenty minutes, am I actually making more than Elon Musk does or no?

Corey Ham:

Like, is that is that technically more than More in twenty minutes.

Wade Wells:

No. For that twenty minutes, you're the

Corey Ham:

It takes him twenty four hours.

Ralph May:

No. He actually probably lost that by a significant margin when SpaceX went down 30%. So

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Oh, yeah. True. True.

Ralph May:

Lost more money on that. And I say, I lost. I'm using, like, can I put, like, air quotes for, like, the

Corey Ham:

Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. This is actual. Right?

Ralph May:

Like... Yeah. This was real this was real money. Like, you could have cashed it in today. All those other people, wait till they cash it in tomorrow.

Corey Ham:

I mean, the big thing... The the true currency... This is crypto. Right? So it's boring because all the money will be frozen.

Corey Ham:

It'll never... Like, maybe $10 of this will actually go to North Korea's pocket or whatever. Think it'll more than that. But They will not be able to cash out $6,300,000,000. Right?

Corey Ham:

But the interesting more... Like, the real currency of crypto is trust. I mean, I already didn't really trust Binance. I don't know if... I thought they got, like, regulated.

Corey Ham:

Like, I I thought they

Ralph May:

were CZ was literally gonna go to prison, and then he got

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Like

Ralph May:

pardoned by Baltimore. So

Wade Wells:

Wow. He said his name. He must not be named.

Corey Ham:

I mean, I think... Yes. Like, I I don't know, but I'm like, they already didn't have any trust, so I guess they just lost even more trust. My question is like, how was there a $6,300,000,000 in their hot wallets? Like, who is trading on finance?

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Whatever.

Ralph May:

Well, no. A lot of people aren't because... I mean, so that's the other thing too. And the other... The...

Ralph May:

Just one last thing about crypto is whenever this happens, someone's like, you don't... You never never store money in an exchange. That's ridiculous. Right?

Corey Ham:

It's like crypto one zero one. Yeah.

Ralph May:

Yeah. But here's the thing. A lot of people have money in exchange because they're trying to make money

Corey Ham:

They're trying to buy missiles for their

Wade Wells:

That's right.

Ralph May:

Oh my god. But here's the deal. It was probably a little money from a lot of accounts in this Yes. Facto. That's

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. $500 from

Wade Wells:

a

Corey Ham:

100,000 people.

Ralph May:

Yeah. I mean, like Yeah. Do enough of that. Yes. They'll...

Ralph May:

Sure. There were some big accounts in there. And, yes, there is probably one dude who's got all of his money in Binance. And if it goes down tomorrow, he's screwed. But, you know, doesn't have to be a lot from everybody.

Corey Ham:

So Yeah. I mean, either way, we haven't seen a crypto hack like this in a long time. Yeah. It's a bummer that it wasn't something crypto fancy like a smart contract or something like that. I was just like, oh, DevOps guy clicked the wrong link and had the, you know, hot wallets.

Corey Ham:

Now I am curious I'm curious on the deep dive. If it ever gets released, I'm very curious on like, what was the payload? Was it click fix? Was it blah blah blah? Like, how did it run?

Corey Ham:

What are their security controls? I'm guessing it's gonna ask... It's gonna lead to more questions than answers on why a DevOps

Wade Wells:

person Where

Ralph May:

do they have a PCI?

Corey Ham:

Already know what it is, Corey. We already... Are they PCI compliant?

Wade Wells:

An Infosealer. Guaranteed. Infosealer.

Corey Ham:

We do. I bet you're No. In Or crap.

Wade Wells:

So so here's the thing, Mike. They they... From what I read, they found evidence of them testing stuff beforehand, right, for all the exchanges and moving, which means they knew they had access. And... But they hadn't done anything, which makes me think they had bought an Infosealer, bought the access to it, and we were just waiting to verify that their payload was.

Wade Wells:

Yeah. And then when

Corey Ham:

I mean, it could be. It could be an Infosealer. It could be a click fix. It could be... Who knows?

Corey Ham:

I mean, place your bets in the, you know, place your bets in the discord.

Ralph May:

I... My one other thing too that I thought of is that, like, for the crew who's, like, anti government regulation after this, they're like, should we have more regulation about this?

Corey Ham:

Hold on. Are are these crypto exchanges secure? We should have a banking...

Ralph May:

We we should we should have a regulation to regulate them so that we don't lose all all of our money. Isn't that an idea?

Corey Ham:

We can call it Dodd Frank Bitcoin edition or something. Yeah. I I mean, I don't know. Like, yes. Turns out unregulated exchanges with billions of dollars that are just programmatically accessible does have some risk.

Corey Ham:

It is. But also, to consumers, there's basically... This is like... It's like every time the cloud gets hacked, and everyone's like, well, it wasn't my problem. The cloud got hacked.

Corey Ham:

It's the same thing with crypto. It's like Yeah. Well, they covered the losses. There's no risk to consumers. Like, just keep...

Corey Ham:

Leave your money in Binance because if they get popped, they'll just reimburse you or whatever.

Ralph May:

That's what the FDIC is for anyways. Right? We already have that in the government. I'm... Or, you know, well, The US.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I I mean

Ralph May:

But, anyway, sorry.

Corey Ham:

It is what it is. Yeah. Any other hot takes on this article? Does anyone have any other, you know, predictions or follow ups?

Bronwen May:

It's all pretend money. Even the real

Ralph May:

stuff, the... Even the dollars, that's pretend too. It's all pretend. Don't don't get confused.

Corey Ham:

Did they actually list a crypto... Like, what currency it was? Like, was it

Wade Wells:

It was a couple of different ones.

Ralph May:

It was a bunch. It was BNB. It was like USD. There's like five different US... Wrapped USDs on there.

Ralph May:

It was... Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Okay.

Ralph May:

Yeah. There there is a list of exactly, like, which what do you call it? Oh, alright. So it was Ethereum, Bitcoin, Tron Yep. Alana.

Ralph May:

Yeah. Most... It was mostly Ethereum. So it's like 3,800,000,000 in Ethereum.

Corey Ham:

Wow. Nice. I don't know if that's good or bad for crypto prices. Probably not good.

Ralph May:

I mean, honestly, this story would have been way hotter if it was GPUs. That's all I have to say.

Corey Ham:

It was $5,000,000 in GPUs they stole. That's actually true. That's like

Aisling nic Lynne:

that's like 12.

Wade Wells:

Right? That's like 12.

Corey Ham:

That's... Yeah. That's like a couple h two hundreds. I think that's two That's a cluster of AI they can run. Yeah.

Wade Wells:

What was the truck that was someone stealing GPU trucks a while ago? Like, two or three

Corey Ham:

Oh, The story was that someone stole a truck that had an NVIDIA logo on it, but in no way did it contain any NVIDIA GPUs.

Bronwen May:

No. It had sand. Sand.

Wade Wells:

That's What's

Corey Ham:

the beginning? That's just... Yep.

Wade Wells:

It's the beginning. It's silica. Right? Like, you need that for the GPUs

Corey Ham:

eventually. Beginning. All you have to do is ship that off to Taiwan for three years, and it'll come back as a GPU.

Ralph May:

Yep. Can we can we talk about the RAM article too?

Corey Ham:

Okay. Oh, my god. Yes. This is... Okay.

Corey Ham:

So this is just a fun one. Right? So like, over the over the... You may have seen the memes. I hope you've all seen the memes.

Ralph May:

You hope.

Corey Ham:

Oh, look. People are already posting the memes. Yeah. Sam Altman, who is on top of the leaderboard as far as being tone deaf in 2026, and not understanding at all. Like, he's up there with the physicists for just not understanding social keys.

Bronwen May:

He's worse than Zuck?

Corey Ham:

He's... I think he's worse than Zuck, because he doesn't have the chain that makes him relatable. Right? Zuck has the chain that helps keep him down to earth. Down to But anyway, Sam Altman, this week, what was the...

Corey Ham:

Basically, said he's coming for your RAM. I mean, that's not actually what he said. Does anyone know the exact quote of what he said? He basically said, I'm sad to think of all the RAM sitting in all these computers not being used. Right?

Corey Ham:

Like that was Yeah. Which is like, okay. We've all had a shower thought. Right? Like, we've all I think it's some hard.

Corey Ham:

Know, walking through a data center, you know, looking at our our wealth, and our our value that we bring to the world, and just thought to ourselves, I should tweet about this. But, yeah, basically, that the Internet reacted in the most hilarious way possible, which is just to meme about it. Obviously, this is a quote of Elon Musk saying, oh, man. Milk is expensive or something. Like, it's so difficult.

Bronwen May:

But Okay. So quote.

Corey Ham:

Yes. The quote.

Bronwen May:

Yes. Yes.

Corey Ham:

Hit us. Us.

Bronwen May:

From a global allocation perspective, actually, it's quite terrible to have everybody have a bunch of the world's limited supply of DRAM sitting in their home computer and being used 5% of the time. You want maximum utilization in the cloud if you're trying to deal with this very supply constrained environment.

Corey Ham:

So what... Yeah. People Which is absurd. Everyone that's posting memes in the Discord, and it... Like, thank you.

Corey Ham:

You're doing the Lord's work. Keep it up.

Ralph May:

The Lord's work.

Corey Ham:

I'm just laughing to myself. There's so many. There's even different languages. I don't even know what some of these languages are. But...

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, first of all, 5%, this guy has no gamers in his life. Like, get it together, dude. 5% Yeah.

Wade Wells:

He just doesn't have anyone using Chrome. Like,

Corey Ham:

listen. There was an article years ago about some guy in, like, a Chinese Internet cafe that, like, did not log off for, like, eighty seven hours straight. Okay? 5% is made up. It is it is not real.

Corey Ham:

Also, dude, read the room. Like, basically, as I'm taking it, this is him. He went to go buy a Mac mini or whatever. Yeah. And it was expensive.

Corey Ham:

And he was like, woah. That's too expensive.

Ralph May:

I mean, the the other the other wild part about this whole thing is that, like, the the RAM crisis is just, like, affecting everybody. And I I mean, just

Wade Wells:

Like, oh my god. That's so funny.

Corey Ham:

Yes. I mean... Well, yeah. It's also... By the way by the way, Ralph, the RAM crisis that he basically created.

Ralph May:

No. I know. I know. And here's the other thing too. Like, it...

Ralph May:

When you use, like, quad code or whatever on your computer, it uses a bunch of RAM as well. Like, you don't like...

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Like, I I went to install codecs. Did I need RAM to do I'm pretty sure I did. Anyway, just Yeah. Thank you for the memes, people.

Corey Ham:

It's been great meming with you, and if you're only... Honestly, let's open a support group. If you're only using your RAM 5% of the time,

Ralph May:

like Yes.

Corey Ham:

Let us know. We can we can help you with that. We can help. There's things. There's there's there's Home Lab.

Corey Ham:

There's just... Even just using the web for more than 5% of the time. But, yeah, anyway.

Ralph May:

It's just Chrome. Just... Yeah. Honestly. Just leave those

Corey Ham:

tabs Just go download more RAM. I mean, yeah. It's fine. What else? We got some vulnerabilities, so we can do like a quick stop.

Corey Ham:

There was an Oracle E Business Suite, remote code execution. Very important. There was a Cisco SD WAN flaw, you know, for those people who still feel like they wanna expose their management interfaces to the Internet. There's a couple things. I don't think anything was too crazy.

Corey Ham:

I mean, fallout from PHP two shell is still happening. There was also that node two shell we talked about last week. That's kind of been ratcheting up in pressure. I haven't seen... Both of those got added to the Kev or the KEV.

Doc Blackburn:

Cool.

Corey Ham:

The... There was an interesting vulnerability in... A new Windows vulnerability was disclosed on a new path to abuse Kerberos delegation. This one is cool. If you're thinking about using it on your next pen test, I've heard that it does destroy the account you target.

Corey Ham:

So, you know, watch out for that. Oh. Don't go destroying accounts unless the client says you can. I I was joking like, in our client base, 50% of them would be like, yes. Please destroy this account.

Corey Ham:

I've been trying to get rid of it for years. And the other half would be like, if you destroy this account, our business ceases to exist. So please don't destroy this account. But... Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Fun Windows stuff. There was also... I think, what was it? Zero day... Pwn to Own Berlin was last week or recently.

Corey Ham:

And which is one of the probably most well known security researchers, managed to pull off an edge full chain exploit with four logic bugs, Microsoft Edge. Kind of a fun little phone research thing. There was also a lot of just other security conferences and things like that happening. I think unprompted was last week. There was a bunch of a bunch of discussion about how easy it is to find bugs of AI.

Corey Ham:

Right? Like, that's basically the the current, like, topic is like, oh, if if you just have $45,000 in tokens, you can find a zero day too, and get a $250,000 payout. It's like That's what I got for the math checks out, I guess. But I don't know. Like, I don't think that's a good plan.

Ralph May:

Yeah. I I think the other piece too is the... Just all of the refusals we're going to start to see around the security pieces. Right? Especially with some of these models.

Ralph May:

I think we're gonna find out that we used to be able to find it real easy, but then they turned off all the fun stuff. Right? So

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, who knows? I will say the one thing that is... That I've observed personally is that all the people saying, oh, you can just go find a bug. All you have to do is x y z.

Corey Ham:

All the people that are saying that are super smart vulnerability researchers. Yeah. Like, they're not just regular people. They're like, well, I already have 16 CVs under my belt, but it was really easy for me. It's like, that's the equivalent of me saying, oh, I could ride my bike a 100 miles.

Corey Ham:

It's like, okay. Yes. If you've trained for this and you do it a lot, you could do it. But Yeah. Anyone can't just go buy a Claude subscription and find a Chrome zero day or whatever.

Corey Ham:

Like, that's not where we're at. At least

Bronwen May:

And especially not on a mere $20 a month account.

Ralph May:

Oh, yeah. I know. You gotta be That's a good point. Ultra or better.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. The the researcher who found PHP two shell said that they used 45 k in API credits.

Ralph May:

45 k? Actually, it goes pretty fast. If you're like straight API, like

Corey Ham:

Oh, yeah. Goes quick. It goes really quick, but that's still a lot. They got a 250 k payout, so, you know, worth it, I guess.

Bronwen May:

Decent decent ROI. You know? Yeah.

Corey Ham:

But that's a lot of API tokens. And by the way, they had to they had to pay the API bill monthly, and the bug payment probably doesn't come in till So looks like a year.

Ralph May:

Whenever you're on a pen test or you ever done a security stuff, like, can kinda tell when something's, like, probably off or, you know, is is where to look, kind of like the heat map, like your your spidey senses. So it's probably the same with these bug researchers. Right? So they're already have an idea of where they wanna look, and they can use AI to help augment that to get closer and closer to what it is. And when they see something that's off, maybe the AI is like, oh, yeah.

Ralph May:

Here's your vulnerability. But it's like, no. Let's dig deeper here. I think there's something else. Like, I'm seeing some kind of effect here that I shouldn't be seeing, and that's, you know, what you're talking about, Corey.

Wade Wells:

Is there is there, like, finance companies out there you think that are just like, we'll invest this amount of money and tokens in you, and then we'll receive this amount of much in the payback from you? It's like when you're paying... Giving people to... Like, giving money to professional gamblers who bought it.

Ralph May:

Yeah. You're like, waitress.

Corey Ham:

I was gonna say, well, Bronwen's saying of, yes. It is venture capital. It's also called indentured servitude.

Wade Wells:

It's like That too.

Corey Ham:

We gave you $2,000,000 in tokens, and you burned them putting modern warfare and Tony Hawk together. So so many not. Oh my god. Need to pay those back. You're gonna have to go, you know, into the minds.

Ralph May:

The gall of a company that takes all of this proprietary game information, puts it into a model. Right? And then when you wanna use this same stuff, they go, woah. Woah. Woah.

Ralph May:

Woah. Hold on. This could be, you know, not

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Not at a most important.

Ralph May:

Right? Now now this is piracy or copyright or whatever. When I did it, it's okay. It's for the better good. But when you do it...

Ralph May:

Oh, yeah. I'm gonna have

Corey Ham:

to say. What was the... What's the quote? I... Someone could probably find the actual quote, but it's basically like AI is the greatest theft of knowledge in existence.

Corey Ham:

Like, history. It is. It's like Yeah. They successfully monetized everyone else's knowledge and expertise.

Ralph May:

For $200 a month, you get everyone's knowledge. Like a little piece. Right?

Corey Ham:

A little piece of that. Right?

Wade Wells:

You got that with a good Internet connection.

Doc Blackburn:

Mean, I

Bronwen May:

can't it to you for free. Yeah.

Wade Wells:

You got it with a good Internet connection. You just had to look up, like, to, like, accidentally see feet pics every now and then too.

Ralph May:

I know. I know. Right? But

Corey Ham:

I mean...

Ralph May:

You get it.

Corey Ham:

Google Google didn't give it to you for free. They monetized it.

Ralph May:

Yes. They monetized it. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

Ralph May:

Which, honestly, I'm voting for the AI bubble. I'm gonna get, like, a clock on the wall. I'm gonna have Claude write it, but it'll make a countdown.

Corey Ham:

You're voting for the AI bubble? Explain how. How do I... Where do I vote for this?

Ralph May:

No. I want it to pop. I want it to pop. That's

Corey Ham:

Oh, I see. I see. You wanna buy a GPU again. I see.

Ralph May:

Yeah. Yeah. No. But I'm just I'm just gonna make a counter and then, like, you know, maybe I'll use AI to feed it information about when it thinks it's gonna happen. You know?

Bronwen May:

You need to make an AI bubble clock.

Wade Wells:

Yeah. Like, you're talking about.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah.

Ralph May:

With AI. Yes. With AI. So like, the clock will be fed by Yes.

Wade Wells:

What about... Did we... This is a... I guess this is four days ago. Reddit moving to a login only experience

Ralph May:

where you

Wade Wells:

can't view

Ralph May:

it? Yeah. I saw words of that. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

I mean, they've gotta be getting just crushed by AI twenty four seven. Right? Like...

Ralph May:

I mean, AI already consumed all of the stuff they had. So now it's just like the delayed comments, essentially, of what's left. There's... I feel

Doc Blackburn:

like that...

Wade Wells:

That's that's huge for... I feel like like 90% of my Google is just Reddit. Like like, it's trying

Ralph May:

to move right over. I don't even Google anymore. I don't know where you've been. That's a good...

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Are you still Googling Wade?

Wade Wells:

There's some stuff that I'm not...

Corey Ham:

Okay.

Wade Wells:

There's some stuff that's just

Ralph May:

like auto. There's some topics you don't wanna put in there?

Wade Wells:

I know what's look... I know who's looking at that chat model. I'll tell you the truth, like, that chat history's looked at more than my internet history, so I don't know.

Corey Ham:

Well, the... So actually, I think someone... I don't know if we have they an article

Ralph May:

don't disclose.

Corey Ham:

I don't know. I don't know if we have the article, but I I saw it on Reddit, of all places.

Ralph May:

Oh, I read it.

Corey Ham:

Someone did some research into the Google AI summaries. And I think they'll like, the headline was basically you lose like 10% accuracy with the AI summaries. Like, even if the sources are valid and true, AI botches the summary about 10% of the time.

Wade Wells:

That's probably like 10% better than Reddit though, to tell you the truth.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Reddit's a bunch of people lying like like that recent plane crash in Florida. It's like, half the comments are like, as a pilot. I'm like, dude, I don't think half the pilots in the country are posting on Reddit right now. Like, I mean, maybe...

Corey Ham:

I guess a pilot means maybe you just have a Cessna, but like, you know, I I don't know. No.

Wade Wells:

I just play flight slim, like, you know, like, thirty hours a day and Yeah. Microphone.

Corey Ham:

Well, then in that case, you're an expert. Never mind. I have to take it off.

Ralph May:

I have flown every jet you can think of.

Bronwen May:

Wait. Thirty hours a day?

Wade Wells:

Exactly. Exactly, Bronwen. Exactly.

Ralph May:

I'm not flying, my AI flies for me.

Corey Ham:

This is Schrodinger's RAM. Okay? Sam Walton wants to know how you're both using your RAM thirty hours a day and only using your RAM 5% of the time.

Wade Wells:

Dude, this office gets so hot, I couldn't imagine running my RAM at anything less than, like, like, where I have the... If I turn the three d printer on, I swear it heats the whole house, this one room, like, don't have to it. I am in San Diego, it doesn't get too cold, but like, it gets pretty hot.

Corey Ham:

Dude, we invented this years ago, they're called garages. Bro, look into it.

Wade Wells:

I'm gonna tell you, I live in a place where like

Corey Ham:

They are

Wade Wells:

good for that. They are good for... I don't know. For a three d printer, the garage would not be good for that because the temperature is too varying, and it's too... El Nino, man, you don't know anything.

Wade Wells:

El Nino's screwing me up, man.

Corey Ham:

Don't Dude, your garage is probably a maximum variance of like 10 degrees.

Wade Wells:

My garage is filled with children's clothes, to tell you the truth.

Corey Ham:

Well well, dude, you can be three d printing more children's clothes. Was an article in Aristocica

Doc Blackburn:

children's clothes are they?

Wade Wells:

That's a good question. I don't know. They just appear, and they're like, oh, we're gonna use these in three years, and I'm like, why? Why am

Corey Ham:

The I saying answer is Facebook Marketplace is... There was an interesting article in Ars Technica that was beta... Or Ars? I don't know. I never know.

Corey Ham:

I always wanna say Ars just because I think it's funny. But anyway, the... Basically, as you'd expect, thieves are trying to steal data center bound cargo. This is because everyone found out that data centers are expensive. Apparently, they didn't know that before.

Corey Ham:

And they're doing it with GPS spoofing, which is kind of interesting. So they're like hacking into freight brokers using... Trying to get basically buying or not buying, but like becoming the producer, the the delivery vehicle for this contract, and then trying to basically spoof the GPS to make everything hunky dory, even though they're actually just stealing all the equipment. This is just classic crime. It's not really anything cyber related, but it just shows that people are more and more becoming aware that, like, turns out a truck headed for a data center could be worth a lot of money.

Corey Ham:

If it's got GPUs on it, I mean

Ralph May:

It's worth more than gold, literally.

Corey Ham:

Like, if it's got GPUs Yes. Worst case scenario, you get some copper. Right? Like, best case scenario, you get some GPUs.

Ralph May:

I mean, some of this equipment's super expensive. I actually read this article, and some of it's super expensive, and it's way, way, way less guarded. Let's just put it that way. They don't... You know, they're not driving around in an armored truck.

Ralph May:

Okay? It's just a semi. And most of the time, they're showing up like, hey. You asked us to pick it up. They're like, yeah.

Ralph May:

It's over there. Like, no, you know. In some cases, what I thought the most wildest part. In some cases, they would actually... If the vehicle had an escort, like a police escort, a legitimate police escort, they would wreck the police car, like, have a minor accident so that they would stop following the the semi truck, and then they could, you know, take it.

Bronwen May:

None of this is surprising. Last month, I had the opportunity to represent us. Patterson Cake did a a talk and a backdoors and breaches demo, and I staffed the table at the NMFTA conference that was held down in Long Beach. And I kid you not, that conference was a huge eye opener for me. Many, many, many years ago, I worked in household goods transportation, so I was familiar with some of the constraints and concerns.

Bronwen May:

But when these people who... NMFTA apparently is the only cybersecurity organization for the entire trucking industry. I I... That's what I was told. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Bronwen May:

But they are getting hammered. The entire transportation and trucking industry, whether it's trains, planes, or automobiles, they are just getting slammed. And these attacks genuinely are sophisticated. They... They're using spotter scopes.

Bronwen May:

They know all the routes. They're creating their own broker companies so that they're getting the same availability feeds that legitimate truck drivers are... Their likelihood depends on. And they're leveraging it, and it's a billions and billions of dollars industry.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, if you think that whatever industry you work in is behind the times when it comes to cyber, just look into the transportation industry, and it is behind the behind the times. It's like, even just containerized freight as a concept is very much a miracle that anything actually gets delivered on time or, like like, it's Or at all. Crazy.

Bronwen May:

Or at all. It's almost entirely organized crime. It's it's so well organized. And, of course, you know, if you've got one truckload of GPUs, that's enough to buy a small island.

Corey Ham:

It's breakage. Oh, darn. It fell off the it fell off the boat. Oopsie.

Ralph May:

Yeah. That's price. That's

Aisling nic Lynne:

like was saying $100,000,000 worth of materials that had been stolen. That were

Ralph May:

all I

Bronwen May:

bet that's low.

Corey Ham:

So one truck of h 100.

Bronwen May:

The brokers and also the the source providers have a tendency to underreport because, gee, surprising. It makes them look bad if their stuff has been stolen.

Corey Ham:

Yeah.

Wade Wells:

I mean Trying to fence that would be a pretty big

Bronwen May:

Oh, no. No big giant reselling it through Amazon. They're they're actually preselling this stuff. And then once they've got... You know, they they know what the containers have.

Bronwen May:

They know what's in them. They've got the detailed inventory. As soon as they hit a certain percentage of the contents of a container that has already been presold, then they go and get it.

Corey Ham:

That's

Wade Wells:

Even then, like, most most of that stuff is all serialized.

Ralph May:

Right? Like, it wouldn't be And there's plenty of countries that I can think of up

Wade Wells:

the top

Ralph May:

of Yeah. The just buy anything that

Doc Blackburn:

you want. But even

Wade Wells:

then, like, buy... Like, stealing it here and then selling it to another country is a big feat. Like, right? Like, it is organized crime. But

Ralph May:

That that... That's what they're called ships for. As long as you don't

Corey Ham:

go to that ship.

Ralph May:

Wait. Ships? Boats?

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Well, okay. Yeah. It is it is interesting to think

Bronwen May:

drink too that's

Corey Ham:

just insane. It's interesting to think about, like, the, you know, Sopranos, but, like, reimagine in 2026. And instead of, like, garbage and racket, it's just like GPUs. It's like a bunch of nerds sitting around, like, eating gabagol and being like, oh, here they got those new age three hundreds. What do you think about those?

Corey Ham:

It fell off the truck.

Ralph May:

So there's the ban on those in, like, China. Right? Did you guys read the article about how they're ripping 50 nineties apart?

Corey Ham:

Yes.

Ralph May:

Right? So they're buying all the 50... That's why they're so hard to get. They're literally buying them, sending them... Because they can get these.

Ralph May:

These are the, you know, the consumer GPUs. They buy up all of them. They send them to China, and then the... They have factories in China that are ripping them all apart. And what they're doing is, is they're essentially setting them up for server like setups.

Ralph May:

So they put blood

Corey Ham:

tests on the They're turning consumer grade stuff into data center grade stuff.

Ralph May:

Yeah. Yeah. And they

Corey Ham:

have There was actually... I don't know if you saw it. There was a Linus Tech Tips video where he adds... He like doubles the RAM in his fifty eighty or whatever, or forty eighty or whatever. Like Mhmm.

Corey Ham:

I'm sure there's some of that happening where they're just like basically souping up the GPU chips so they have more memory or more Yeah.

Ralph May:

You think DeepSeq is running off the h two hundreds? No way. It's just like a mine full of consumer GPUs all just like churning away. Right? So

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. Hence why it's cheaper. Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

I think... I mean, does anyone have... I guess we should probably do some plugs. Do some... Get some plugs going.

Corey Ham:

Doc, what do you got to plug? You got something coming up?

Doc Blackburn:

I do, actually. I'm glad that you asked that. So, on December 4, I have a cryptography course, and this is an introductory level course. I've found that even the most seasoned professionals, many of them have no idea how encryption really works. And so this course is really for everybody.

Doc Blackburn:

There's no experience required. I'm going to explain encryption at right from the start. I only assume that you know how to turn on your computer and open up your web browser. I think that's a safe assumption considering all of you have already done that just to be in this newscast right now, so we should be in good shape there. But I do have to share a news article.

Doc Blackburn:

It's technically news because it just broke a few days ago, where NIST, National Institutes of Standards and Technology, said, Hey folks, it's time for us to start talking about transitioning to post quantum cryptography. One of the things that we will talk about in that class is what is the importance around this. One of the things that many people don't consider today, today being any time from right now and in the past, is the fact that cryptography will always eventually be broken. And let's say you have have sent your data encrypted using the most secure methods and all of that for today, while the adversaries are out there stealing your data today, and then when they can break it, they will break it. And so we need to be more careful about how we think about the future of cryptography because ten years of protection for data that I must protect for my entire life is just not enough protection.

Doc Blackburn:

I want to extend an invitation to all of you to spend four hours with me for just $25 That's hardly any money at all for four hours of training, and talking about how cryptography affects our lives. And there's no experience needed to do so. So hopefully

Corey Ham:

And you can use your RAM more than 5% of the time.

Doc Blackburn:

And you'll be able to use your RAM. Yes. All of

Corey Ham:

these RAM is required to attend this course.

Doc Blackburn:

There you go.

Corey Ham:

Yes. You you could could be a beginner. It's an introductory course, but you do need some RAM. You'll have to bring that yourself. I...

Corey Ham:

God. I have a

Ralph May:

whole terabyte in this server, and I'm not using any app.

Corey Ham:

Dude, that's... Sam Allman is about to break and enter.

Ralph May:

Bought it before it was cool. That's the reason I own it.

Corey Ham:

Sam Altman is about to come to your house, knock on the door, and say, can I have some RAM? Okay. Thank you, Doc. That is super cool. I...

Corey Ham:

The quantum stuff is really interesting. Like, you know, that's way beyond my pay grade. Qubits or whatever. I thought that was a thing. Anyway, who else has something to plug?

Corey Ham:

Ralph, do you have anything to plug? What's going on?

Ralph May:

Plugs right now.

Corey Ham:

Nope. No? Alright. Well coming up. You you don't

Bronwen May:

have anything to plug, but if you love democracy, get out and vote.

Corey Ham:

Oh, yeah. That's a really good plug. Yes. Tomorrow in The US is election day. Please go vote whatever you feel.

Corey Ham:

If you voted early, or if you voted by mail, track your ballot, make sure it was actually counted. Okay. Ralph doesn't have anything to plug. Wade, you got anything to plug? How's death con?

Corey Ham:

Did that happen yet? Did I miss it?

Wade Wells:

No. No. You didn't. It's it's next week, next Friday. Actually my goodness.

Wade Wells:

Yeah. I had to book all the restaurants and stuff like that, so I closed tickets. We wind up getting 24 people, so it it met quota,

Corey Ham:

but then my next kinda crazy when you think about how, like, that... It's like, typically, you would think of that as kind of like a premium experience, to be able to actually sit down and go in-depth with, like, a smaller number of people versus hundreds.

Wade Wells:

Yeah. Yeah. And we're... It's a US... UC or USD, like, we have dinner Saturday, so should be fun.

Wade Wells:

I got nothing else, though. Like, I'm I'm chilling. I've kind of, like, put everything on hold since I had a second kid. So, you know, stuff's hard.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. You're just running a security conference. Everything's on hold.

Wade Wells:

This is the last thing. This is literally my last thing that I've ever been on.

Corey Ham:

Are you sure you're doing more in your on hold state than I've ever done? But anyway Is

Bronwen May:

there any conference, day job, young youngling. Come on. He's not busy at

Corey Ham:

all.

Wade Wells:

Will I will tell you for for Halloween, I did dress as Anakin and then dressed my son up as a youngling. Most people just thought we're a Jedi and a padawan. I was like, this is like... If anyone who asked, it was it was great. Love

Corey Ham:

it. Aisling, do you have anything to plug? What's going on?

Aisling nic Lynne:

Nothing of mine, but I'm looking forward to John's class coming up in November tenth and eleventh. So I guess

Corey Ham:

it's next week. Yeah. Yeah. That'll be cool. I'm super happy.

Corey Ham:

Core skills.

Aisling nic Lynne:

In the age of AI, which is what's going to make it new and interesting and different, of course.

Corey Ham:

Is, yeah, probably will be. If you don't wanna... If you've ever been to a John class, you need to go to a John class and just listen to him ranting. Like, even if you don't need to learn this, you need to at least experience a few John rants. Like, you need this.

Aisling nic Lynne:

Yeah. And apparently, since he's going to be underslept from being somewhere else in the world, it should be really choice John rants.

Corey Ham:

He's only ever underslept, so

Ralph May:

it's fine. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

I've never I've never been around John when he's well rested. I don't know if that exists. I'm not familiar with that version of John. I don't know. It's like, I don't know if that is real, but we'll find out.

Bronwen May:

You'd you'd have to chain him down and dose him for about a week before he can get enough sleep.

Corey Ham:

Maybe it's like he has a... Maybe like when he he has like Costa Rica, John. He's like, gets enough sleep and and has like all these, you know, amazing ideas. And then he just comes home and forgets all of his ideas. Or maybe he turns them into classes for you.

Corey Ham:

I don't know. Maybe. Alright. Last few articles. There's...

Corey Ham:

I don't know. There... I mean, there's some... There's no chicken news. I'm sorry.

Corey Ham:

That's bad.

Wade Wells:

There... Wanna

Bronwen May:

talk about Discord? Sure.

Corey Ham:

Oh. What's going on with Discord? Yeah.

Bronwen May:

Apparently, Discord will soon let anyone find public server messages.

Corey Ham:

If you I don't know what that means.

Wade Wells:

I just

Aisling nic Lynne:

posted one of the going to let people scrape.

Corey Ham:

Okay.

Aisling nic Lynne:

That's Yeah. That's the short version. They're going to let people, by which I mean Google, scrape Oh. Discord servers for anything in Wait. So they're asking discoverable channels, which may or may not be all of the channels on discoverable servers.

Aisling nic Lynne:

And unless you are in a short list of jurisdictions like the EU, which has GDPR, your default setting is, yes. You can totally

Bronwen May:

Hold that thought, Aisling. There's another article about GDPR.

Aisling nic Lynne:

There is. And that's a a scraping thing, but it remains that Discord has the default set off for can you scrape my stuff for people in the EU and a few other countries. Whereas people like me in The US have it defaulted to on. Of course, you can scrape my stuff. So we have some time before they say they're going to start doing it.

Aisling nic Lynne:

So hopefully, the combination of admins on public servers and people getting the news about it will close things off and have their privacy under control.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I'll be interested to see how this goes, like, whether people are okay with this. It's basically turning Discord into Reddit. It's essentially, like, from a from, like, a data sharing and privacy perspective. Like, why do I Google, like, fix Proxmox Reddit?

Corey Ham:

Because Reddit has some thread where, like, some person figured out how to fix something and it's detailed and useful. That same thing being true for Discord, I could see the positives of this of, like, you know, the Proxmox community on Discord, for example, probably has some really helpful tips on how to fix my stuff. But I don't think that was ever really the intention with a lot of Discord servers. And so it's interesting. It'll be interesting to see whether a lot of communities end up going private or how they end up approaching this.

Corey Ham:

I mean, they have to monetize your data. This product... You know, you've been on voice calls for a decade for free. What do you expect? Like, it's expensive to run a giant company.

Bronwen May:

I guess the whole boosting thing isn't quite working out to be cost effective No.

Corey Ham:

A freemium model that doesn't actually get you anything is a tough model. Right? Like, not actually a bar. It's like Reddit Pro, or Reddit Premium, or whatever. It's like, oh, an ad free experience, or whatever.

Corey Ham:

It's not...

Ralph May:

What's Reddit I love ads.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, I don't I I don't know anyone who's... I guess, maybe you do have to pay for Reddit. I don't think you have to pay for Reddit. I don't pay for Reddit.

Corey Ham:

I think it'll be interesting to see how this shakes out. I'm curious to see how communities react. For us, specifically, I don't know if... Are we gonna be in the list? I'm I'm kinda curious for our own Discord.

Corey Ham:

Is this gonna be part of this? I don't know.

Aisling nic Lynne:

Pretty sure.

Bronwen May:

Yes. Sounds like something to

Aisling nic Lynne:

bring up with the the community.

Corey Ham:

It... Yeah. So what are the rules? It says there's more than 63,000 discoverable servers.

Ralph May:

Right.

Corey Ham:

And then it says select channels. It's basically the details are not super clear on which channels are gonna be... They talk about... Maybe it's above a thousand members. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Interesting. Yeah. I don't know.

Aisling nic Lynne:

Talk about what users can do to control whether they're visible, but I haven't seen much talking about admins going in and setting which channels are discoverable or not and how private that all is.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, it makes sense. Sorry.

Corey Ham:

This is the Internet in 2026. We can always go back to... Was it Mumble? Like, self hosted. Oh, yeah.

Corey Ham:

Or Ventrilo or whatever. Like, just Yeah.

Wade Wells:

I do some vent.

Corey Ham:

There's a

Doc Blackburn:

bunch of...

Corey Ham:

You wanna use your RAM more than 5%. I mean, there's gotta be a self hosted alternative. Is there not? Yes. I mean, does there have a lot of......

Ralph May:

Self hosted alternatives to Discord that are just as good as Discord, but they're like all the other platforms. Right? It's not about the features. It's about where every...

Corey Ham:

It's about the people.

Ralph May:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's Matrix. You could do a Matrix.

Ralph May:

There's Rocket Chat. That one's been out for a while. There's Teamspeak, Mumble. You know, a Matrix server is actually way more secure too if you do end to end encrypted and set those up. But again, it's just like...

Ralph May:

It... It's like the chat wars. Right? There's so many places you could go chat. Right?

Ralph May:

But everyone ends up chatting and where everyone else is. They just end up contacting

Bronwen May:

Yeah. Yeah.

Ralph May:

To a single place. Not because it's necessarily better, but it's just where everyone's at. So... Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

I mean... Yeah. Basically, that's... You know, there's always a self hosted alternative. It's just a question of how convenient it is and how many people you can convince.

Corey Ham:

Like, I don't know. Is Mastodon still a thing? Like, how did that go? Or, like, all these, like, decentralized Twitters?

Ralph May:

I mean, it's still better than Twitter. I mean, most people actually left Twitter to, I don't know, maybe go live their life. I don't know. Maybe.

Corey Ham:

I... Yeah. I think a lot of people... And I I did that with Reddit for a long time. It's just like walking away.

Corey Ham:

I just

Ralph May:

don't need a I don't need a replacement. Yeah.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I don't need a replacement. I don't know. Either way, it's kind of a bummer, but also welcome to 2026. Sorry.

Corey Ham:

Everyone... Everything has to be monetized. You know, server bills are not going down anytime soon.

Ralph May:

Oh, they're going up. The other thing too is, like, I I wish they would be like, hey. There is a $5 a month subscription because I really like to use this. And if I subscribe to this, then, you know, all of this out. But they don't they don't care.

Ralph May:

They... You know?

Bronwen May:

Well, here's the other question. Here's the other question. If everybody loses their job because of AI, how are they going to be able to afford to buy tokens to use the AI? Am I the only one who is struggling with this cognitive break?

Corey Ham:

I mean, you're not wrong, but also venture capital doesn't think more than the next quarter, let alone the next ten years. So I don't Yeah.

Ralph May:

That's that's that's their problem.

Bronwen May:

They think that far ahead?

Corey Ham:

Okay. Maybe, yeah, maybe a month. I don't know. Basically, that's that's that's a future generations problem.

Ralph May:

Oh my god.

Corey Ham:

Don't worry about it. Universal basic income. Bill Gates did it for a month. It was fine. It's it's...

Corey Ham:

It did it works. It's it's okay. Don't worry about it. Yeah. I mean, anyway, any final articles before we close?

Corey Ham:

I think this is a it's a fun week. Not... It was a little quieter.

Bronwen May:

Let's talk about the EU?

Corey Ham:

They wanna talk about the EU. What happened to the EU?

Bronwen May:

EU governments are letting... They're backing letting AI companies train on private people's data without consent.

Corey Ham:

Stop stealing our ideas, Europe. God. We thought of that first.

Bronwen May:

So they're they're talking about revising GDPR to allow training on people's data without consent. I hope they... I hope it doesn't go through.

Corey Ham:

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I... Like, I have no idea. This is, like, way beyond my pay grade.

Corey Ham:

But as someone who has had all my data being used to train AIs for years, I mean, I didn't get a dollar from it. So at least monetize it. Monetize your own personal data, people. I don't know how to do that, but go for it. Good luck.

Corey Ham:

Alright. Well, on that depressing note Yeah. It's time to end. Sorry. Thank you all for coming.

Corey Ham:

We'll see you next week. Bye bye.