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Yes. Okay. Yeah. % compounding interest of those efforts that no one ever saw. You thought, am I wasting my time?
But now when you're in a space, you provide that value. They talk about you without you being there. And all of a sudden, hey, Jeff. We've heard great things about you for our program. How do we sign a five year contract?
That was an email yesterday. And I was like, like, I didn't even say, here's what we do. They've just heard from that organisation. They've heard the outcomes. We want to plug it in.
Build a brand. You're building a brand. Right? Tony Robbins, no doubt. He would have done the same thing.
There was times where he was speaking in front of one, three, five people. And now he goes out and he's what the investment is, and he's how many people show up to that investment. You've just got to understand the compounding interest of your efforts and you gotta be willing to do it when no one else is looking and you gotta show up That's the secret, mate. With nothing. You've done everything yesterday and you got $0.
You've done everything yesterday and you didn't feel great. You did everything yesterday and you're away from the family. Even that business my yeah. My, mate's got in affiliate marketing as an example. He did it for seven years to get to that point, and And people go to him, it's a scam, bro.
And I'm like, the biggest scam you're saying would be the nine to five job being away from your kids. He's actually with these kids. After seven years, if I could guarantee you seven and a half gram, passive after seven years for life, not just for one week. That's amazing. I think everyone needs to learn this.
So I was like, hey, bro. Firstly, the quality of life side of things. Secondly, for me, I was always going to buy one anyway. All the world's best leaders take it, athletes take. So I was like, I'm buying it.
For that reason, like, for me, quality of life. And now that you've got the business opportunity, I think that's great. And his next level is full k per month passive. And I was with him. I'll tell you.
It was an insane story. I started I get a $1,200 check. I said, oh, look. I got a $1,200 check while we're sitting here. He goes, how good is that?
Bang. We knuckle each other. He goes, mate, imagine I've been doing it for five months. He goes, imagine in five, five years. And I was like, wow.
He goes, imagine ten years. I was like, wow. And then he goes, I got 48 of those this morning. He shows me and I'm like, wow. I'm more kid on doing a mass.
I'm like, imagine he got 48 of a thousand. Right? And then he, he said, I actually got eight new ones now. Do you wanna open them together? He opens them up and shows me in real time because he's the mentor I went with.
And it was 8 to $10. I did the maths on it. I he just got paid 8 to $10. Sitting here he's in Sydney. He lives in Melbourne.
He's with his partner in a beautiful hotel. They're loving Arthur about to go out and do some things and see whatever they want, when they want, with who they want, as much as they want. That's my saying. They're doing that. They're living that life, and people will drop into his inbox telling him it's a scam.
And after seven years, he's got to that position. That's the descendants of how we're built as human beings. And I just mean that you gotta do due diligence on the whole process and go, if I go all in, could I be that person? And some people aren't built like that. They're not built to go all in on themselves.
How could I build myself to go all in on the life I want? Small business, big business, whatever it is for you, get out of the dissonance that goes on in this place up here and the different types of dissonance. Look up that word and you'll start to build yourself better because you start to say, what my parents taught me, they had great love, but they weren't business people. They didn't know anything else. Yeah.
I'm listening to JT. I'm listening to Tony Robbins. I'm listening to Mel Robbins. Whoever it is that you choose to go with and get out of your own way and watch what happens in life. I guarantee you, you know, seven years, this kid, he was he's locked up himself, and he's turned that life around.
He's a great provider for his family, and he's done it his way. Could you be that person? Maybe. I don't know. But you won't know until you try it and get out of your own way.
That's the biggest thing. Are you willing to do what it takes and do the work to have that 7,000 a month passive income? I think anyone would thrive on saying, hey. Yeah. I'd love 7,000 passive income.
I might still love my job, but are you willing? You're gonna have to have some short term, extra work, some short term, negotiations with not having to buy everything at a whim at a short term to get that long term game. And it's about, say, that mindset of but you've gotta break down. Some people have got mind viruses. You gotta get into this subconscious because a lot of people don't even realize what is actually in their DNA, what is in their their computer?
Like memory? Love that. They they don't get it. What's a bug in your system? What's your bug?
Yeah. They had this bug. And it it's from when you were four. It's from when you were six. It's from when you were 14.
It's from when you were 18. And now you're you're in your thirties, your forties, you're in your twenties, whatever you are. And you you don't actually realize that you've got a eight year old running your life making your decisions. You weren't good enough. And Yeah.
Don't watch Better Man for every like, I can't recommend that. It was so well done, that movie. I'm gonna work I've written that down. I've written that down. I'm gonna say, I don't know if you got, your married husband or partner or whatever girlfriend, take him and see it.
It is Is that the cinemas? Yeah. It's at the cinemas now. Okay. And I guarantee you're gonna sit there and go, wow.
Like, if you could teach any human being so much, but your filters will be totally different to the next person's filters. But in amongst it, they've they've got you on this wave of emotion in the movie, and it will hit any person. Any person that goes and watches that. And I know that I was dancing at one stage. I was crying at one stage.
And I don't cry much. Right? Like, the old man thing going to let that go. As men, why can't we let go of our emotions? Do we have to be build up and be yeah.
You know what? I'll be strong in the right situations. But in a movie that take tells a story, it shows that I am connected to my emotions, and I am able to say, alright. Emotionally, do I want this in my life? Now, hey.
Let's have a respectful, effective conversation. Or do I have to stand up in this moment and be the warrior and be the wine? And if I need to do that, can I do that? Now that movie I tell me I'm wrong. You go watch it.
I'm gonna go watch it and I'll I'll I'll send you a message and just go get a % just But it it teaches you human behavior and it teaches you that sometimes what happens to you happen for you. But what will happen to you sometimes stays happening to you for life in this invisible backpack of life. And what that means is what you carry, it dictates your behaviors. And we don't understand that because it's a build as a feeling and they erupt into behaviors that come out of you because of I'm not good enough. Well, let me show you that I'm good enough.
If you and who do you think you are? And, like, we end up in this position where we become a version of ourselves we don't like being. It's almost like being on drugs where you see the person on drugs. They're not the same human as they were before the drugs. After it, they got these superpowers to tell the world to go and get effed.
So once you're in that position, now you can be in a strong position to say, as you said, we're unconscious of the behaviors, the feelings. If you even write out the feelings, emotions, behaviors attached to those things, those three things, in that moment, you go, this I don't want that shit in my life. Is that how I behave? Someone recorded you doing that. Right?
You see partners that talk to each other on phones. Person jumped in our car from a conference the other day, and they started screaming at each other in the phone. I pulled the car over and I said, let's pause for a moment. That's not gonna happen in my car. My partner's in the back.
I've given you a lift respectively, and you two are talking to it. That's not gonna happen in this space. You got two options right here, right now. And it was a long distance. We're in the Pilbara.
I said, you got a choice to walk to the next town, or you got a choice to talk to each other respectfully, or hang the phone up, and I'll have a conversation with you. And he said, oh, I've gotta hang the phone up. I'll chat to you later. Love you. And hung the phone up.
I said and then we just had a conversation. I just don't appreciate you being having that type of conversation. My partner feels uneasy. I thought uneasy. That doesn't happen in my car ever again and or in my presence.
And now that's a, you know, that's a person that's built strong. How do you make sure that those behaviors here is probably unconscious? Because that's how he's taught. Maybe his parents did it as kids, and he thinks that's normal, babe. And that's their daily interaction of just Yeah.
That's carried from, as you said, from eight years old into 48 years old. Doesn't happen in this space. And he's got a choice now to change his behavior. What would you do in that situation? And I'd say, firstly, I'll talk at this level.
Who is it a who can talk louder conversation? Is that the competition that you're having? Could you tell me? And he goes, no. So I'm asking these questions.
Well, what is it why did you get to that position? Do you feel, oh, my parents were there? Alright. So did you like your parents' behavior? No.
Did you feel safe in that environment? No. So I'd take him through that question, and he's, he had this light bulb moment and said, well, I'm just a reflection on my parents. I said, no. And I said, yeah.
Exactly. That's who you are. You can change it. Do you like being that person? No.
I don't. What would be your first way out of that? I don't know. Would you like the solution to that problem? Yes.
I would. And now you've taken him through the process where you're not saying I'm better than you and I you shouldn't be like me. You're saying do you like being that person? Getting them to expect. That they can make the decision and choice.
And now you're able to shift and change the behavior of that environment, whether it's a sporting team or a business space, we're able to get that outcome because we get them to see through their own lens of how they're built and how it's not truly serving that environment. But you gotta bring the unconscious to conscious and Yes. Tell me, I always say to people, how how long have you been thinking about something? How long hasn't it happened for? If you're 30 years of age, what will happen in the next thirty years?
If you want a solution to that problem or that conversation, even change the word problems because that's a negative, would you like a solution to that conversation? Yes. I would. Christine or I could provide that. Would you like it?
Yes. I would. Now we'll go into that conversation. And if not, I wish you all the very best, and I'll clap you along that journey as well. Oh, sorry.
That's beautiful. Because it's so important that human behavior. You seem to have such a good connection on how to get people to come on a journey and to actually see it, and then they're accepting it and they're actually asking you rather than because no one likes to be told just like no one likes to be sold, but everyone likes to buy. So it's like you getting them to go, well, is that behavior acceptable? They can get all you do, I feel like when you open the blinkers up and you're giving them that self awareness, like, self awareness of, in any problem, I like to I like to often say, especially in conflict, and I do it in the work a lot with some other people where I'm like, when you did this, there's the one action.
Not I just said, never say anyway, always, or everybody. I I always pull up people for that. I felt this. Not emotional, though. This is just I felt angry.
I felt, disrespected, but not don't get all that fluffy. And then, this will be the consequence. And not a threat. I'm not talking about coercion. I'm talking about you're gonna make me disengage.
You're not gonna get the most out of me at work. And those conversations are quite nerve wracking and to have with your partner. When you said this, I felt really intimidated. And I'm worried that if you keep doing that, I'm gonna withdraw or I'm not gonna feel safe in this environment anymore. Now that's a hard conversation.
That's a hard conversation to have especially depending on your environment, but you've gotta start somewhere. It's harder to stay in that. It's harder to not have that conversation and end up screaming at each other, hating each other. And maybe if you've got kids with each other and being in a household that you don't wanna be in and come back where you feel unsafe every single day. So it's better.
People say, oh, that's hard business. And I'm like, we got a choice. You can choose to go to work for somebody for two years, retire, and pay your house off maybe in this day and age. Maybe pay your house off by the end of your life. And then maybe retire on some money, and travel the world wrinkly, or you got a choice of being, you know Channel of a wrinkly.
Context to my mate. He made 76 k in three days last week that he posted. He posted all the the he has got a 30, five k, 26 k, and 16 k day. Right? I'm pretty sure that's a 76 k.
He because I I still remember I was like, that's unbelievable. It's k in three days. Most people say that's bullshit, mate. He he's full of you could see you come with me and I'll take you to him and he'll show you your the the emails and it's just reality. That's what he's at.
People can do it. Any and people can do it. If if we take you back on your friend there, and I don't know him at all, but let's say ten or fifteen years ago, he he'd be saying the same thing to you. Like, that's not that's not possible. Do you know that?
If I was that person and said, I can make you 76 k in three days, he'd be like, mortgage is trying to scam me. He'd probably go and tell his partner, his his mates. I don't do Morgz and stuff. 76 cat full of shit. Right?
And the reality was I sat with him and I've seen that happen. I've seen the life he's created and you just gotta and this is going back to that conversation. The scam of life, I'll call it a scam like you. But what I mean, nine to five for seven years or seven years, you could retire. Which one would you choose?
Right? And I'm just talking about him. I'm not even talking about my business. I could help you scale your business within five years and do something that would create financial freedom for anybody. But most people say that's bullshit, mate.
That's it. Well, what we go back to is the vision of our parents. Our parents didn't even have the Internet. Our parents didn't have the opportunity of AI to build your business over a weekend. I paid $7 and $5 for my terms and condition and privacy policy way back when.
And now you can ask chat to EPT, and we'll spit it out in thirty seconds for free. So we've got yeah. We've got the skills to be able to create real time and speed faster than any human being before in our life, but we'll tell people that it's not possible. And I'm not everything's possible right here right now. You don't believe so?
Go to Dubai Fifty Years ago. It was just all sand. Mate, if you haven't been to Dubai I don't know if you've been to Dubai. Yeah. Yeah.
I've been to Dubai. It's it blows your mind, doesn't it? It's just I love it. I love the technology. I love the innovation.
How just where technology can take people and business. And I love where you segue there because I was introducing, AI into a very large company and even selling some of the and the old school thinking is what are people gonna do with their time? Would you rather them work on low value rubbish that they don't need to anymore because AI is taking off? But AI could do that and you get them in higher value. Changing the mindset of these people is a job in itself.
Even then, could you hire that person or somebody else around something maybe that they could contribute to in a space, like human connection? Yes. Well, that's that's not going away. We'll build it with AI, but what we'll do when we go into the conversation is we'll meet in person, and then the outcomes will be driven by the AI or whatever it may be. As we increase our profit margin, say, we presented that even even if we came and say, we could increase your profit margin by 56% on the average of what we've done with companies with AI.
And what we do is we get the workforce to go in in human connection then. And what you used to pay them, they go on flights and and connecting with your clients and going checking in. How can we help you? How could we service you better? That sort of conversation.
Like, human connection. Right? Now, wow. They send people out to actually check on us and see that we're okay, and how can we help you on an emotional intelligence level. Right?
Maybe you're building that into the human to understand. AI is controlling this part, but what we can do is make sure we're not stressed. We're living less stress within our life, more happiness, more directional, more intentional with the life we truly want, those sorts of things. So use the money that you now you got 56% more profit. Get that person to fly on business class.
Who wouldn't like to say, hey, Christina. You're working for me. AI is doing it. We've got 56% increase in our profits. What I'm gonna do is send you to Dubai business class flights with Emirates, beautiful airline.
And you're at the Atlantis the Royal, and we still after all our, outgoings this year, we're still up by 36% profit on the profits that we already had. No brainer. I'm happier. I'm working 10 times harder for you now. I'm loyal to you for life.
You've got my IP forever. Do you know what I mean? I'm now driving your profits more because of the culture. And it's just amazing. I'm gonna use that.
I loved where you just went because I am trying to drive a business value case at the moment on something else. And I loved the the to really try and emphasize that let the AI but where your where your productivity will now increase is the human element. You're gonna create the culture. It's hard it's hard though when they're looking at the bottom line all the time. Look at what you you look at what you just said.
You've worked 10 times out of it. And, yeah, the problem the old school way of thinking would be, I don't know what Christine is doing in Dubai. She's probably laying up by the pool. Well, I hope so after she's had a, you know, a morning If I met you. With them, talk about, sat down, have conversations, had food together, build a relationship.
Relationship cup. I'll catch up with you at 4PM again. Let's go get some sun. Oh, do what you gotta do now and I'll catch back. And you go and get I hope you're getting sun to let you recharge yourself in your loving life the way that you should be.
And guess what? I will pay you to do that because now I know when you go back to that meeting in the afternoon, you feel absolutely freaking amazing. And say, hey. We're gonna have a dinner. We'll catch up for dinner and we'll talk over dinner and build another great relationship.
And, hey, let me introduce you, Bob who's going to also, he wants to he's heard about what you do for our business, and he'd like his business. And now Bob's business goes 56% forward in profits. Well, what a great way to load. Christina, will you I've seen you post photos down by the pool at You were sitting at your desk. Yeah.
But wait a second. In their profits because of the way I operated, they actually went up 66% and Bob's business has gone up 72%. Yeah, but I've still seen that photo by the pool and I'm like, I just all you wanna hear and people gotta understand, when you only wanna hear your filters of life, we respond to people based on our values. Understand what I just said. This is very important for people.
We'll respond to people based on our values. So once it's not in our values, all you're waiting to do is respond to you. Hey. You didn't fit into me. And once you do that, you're not doing it for the best interest of the environment.
I I see the photo and I say, how you know, for me, how good, love seeing Christine and love life. And if you had your family then, you buy the pool and shooting moments of playing pool volleyball, whatever it is, but I know that they got a 68, and you beat what we got. And 72%, well, that's now I know how Christina operates. I'm gonna make sure that she's always with her next to a, theme park. When she goes to America, let's send put her next to a theme park so her family could be there, and she can play that volleyball with her family and feel great and get the sun so that in between her meeting, she feels that this is what life's about.
And yeah. I think you're nailing it there with the whole which comes back to me on I'm big on anything if anyone sees on people and data. So what you're nailing, which, is really hard for a lot of CEOs, executives, is the the KPI and the metrics side. So I'm hitting the 68%. I've got my our clients at the 72%.
How I get you there ethically, morally, kindly, all that. How I get you there if I am brilliant enough to do it in the meetings, the conversations, the relational capital, and still get my three hours in the sun and enjoying it and flying business cars. That's where people get they they hone in on that and get hung up or you should be sitting at desks. But if I'm hitting the if you hit the right metrics with any of your people and you go, here's what the company needs to go to, you've got that bigger intention and vision. How I get there with the breaks, it's you want your people happier and everything like that.
And that's that's you've nailed it. You nailed it. Some of these companies on billion billions in profits. Millions, like, towards the billion mark in profits. What if you gave up like, for me, and it's something I've done in my business, say it was a million dollars, and I give up half of that.
People are like, you're giving up half a million dollars every time for your staff. You could make 800 you don't have to do that. You can make 900,000 and pay, yeah, yeah, a hundred thousand in your outgoings to your staff at $22 or $15, whatever it is. Right? Why would I do that?
I want my staff to love come do you reckon your staff, paying them at that level, come to work and say, I'm motivated to get Jeff? You might get one right that just loves life and loves doing work. Will you get your whole workforce sit on that same vision? Yeah. They'll do what they bare minimum.
Shit. You you start at nine, they'll show up at five past nine. Finish at five, they'll leave at five. They're watching from 04:30, thirty minutes to go. It's twenty minutes to go.
Yep. Flocking down. Traffic. Yeah. And they come in and yeah.
I'm looking at Facebook now. She here comes Jeff. Yeah. Find it. Yeah.
Yeah. Streams up. Nice. See, back to culture, revenue. You want people coming in, not waking up and hating that they have to go to work, wishing their day away before it started, breaks my heart.
And then if you like you say, if they are in there motivated, happy, loving the culture, they are working harder for you. They are making you money. You are working less. Hopefully, they're like if you're working and enjoying what you're doing, you don't feel like you're working. Everyone's happy.
Let me let me explain it even deeper. Alright. So I did the 900,000 to 100,000 model. Right? They I split that model fifty fifty now.
And then people are like, you're crazy. But what happens is my business goes tenfold. So now I'm making 10,000,000, and my profit, if like, I did the 9 because when I say the 10,000,000, I did it the $50.50 way. I could take half of that and give them half. Now I'm on 5,000,000, and they're on 5,000,000.
And they're happy and I'm happy. I went well past my 900,000. I've got 5,000,000 in the bank. I've got happy stuff. I've got less spot fires.
I've created systems that make everybody happy and work together. Do You wanna put music on every single day in your own cubicle? You want it cubicle, or do you want it as a group space? Is it we're never gonna be happy on the music, so therefore I'm gonna choose music that relaxes as if we are gonna put music in the space. I'm gonna create an environment that allows us, you know even for us this year, it's something we've spoken about a, brick and mortar, and it'd be more about, like, you know, games rooms.
I'd put a gym in there. I'd put a recovery center. And I'd say your work now is towards gym, and now it's towards this. Go and play games for half an hour, like table tennis pool. Like, be social.
That's cool. I'll pay you for that because do you reckon that they won't perform in the two hours that they're in there? What people, as you said, do is they come in and they do half hour of solid work, the rest is all fluff. And yeah. Yeah.
They're having their coffees, they're off talking, and they're watching the clock, and they're not about the metrics. But if you set your solid metrics, which obviously you do really well, your team has trust, you have trust for them. And I I assume, like anything, like let's not get us wrong, if you take the piss and you hang yourself with the rope you're giving, you're gone. Right? And that is the key to I'll give you rope.
You wanna turn up, rock up, but you you've got to turn up to these meetings. You've got to be professional, whatever. But and here's your targets. If you miss them because you're too busy playing ping pong and sitting in the sauna, you don't get a second chance. Like, you're you're you know?
I'll even put it to here's our targets and what here's here's what we've got coming. What do you feel would be the credit from our solution to this, problem as a unit? And let's alright. Let's implement it. What's our time frame on it as a group?
One week. Alright. At the end of this week, Mary, I'll see your reports. I'll see your suggestions. I'll see your development or whatever it is that we do.
And then go and do what you want. Remember, you need to do an hour a day in the gym. You need to do, what are our nonnegotiables around health, wealth, and a piece, success, quality of life, etcetera, etcetera. These pillars even for I want everybody in this group to do half an hour and how you can make your finances work. What you we'll invest in, a course that you wanna do.
Is it, you know, with, Dan Pena? Is it with JT Fox? Is it with Tony Robbins? Is it with whoever it is? We'll invest in that.
Half an hour of your day, we want you to go and sit and develop that so that you know how to use the money that you're making here to actually then create streams of income for you. Imagine the workplace. I reckon that that person and same. There's nonnegotiables. If we're not hitting these targets on a regular basis over a month, we'll let you go.
And that means that you'll perform for yourself. And is this a space or is the role for you? If not, do you feel that you'd be better in admin? And is that something you Do you need do you need your checklist? Do you need to be microed a bit more?
There's people who like the, the freedom, and there's people and will need the autonomy, and there's people who need to be here's your next task. Here's your and that that's and that goes with the stacking of the the layers of the the people you bring into the organization. Absolutely. But I on that and nonnegotiables on that. Create a gray area and everyone, as you know, will ride that gray area to the moon, you know, until the cows come home.
So I'll give us a favor. Have those nonnegotiables. We're created as units so that and we're clear on his what my vision is for this organization at c suite and then through the leadership and then into because and I mean that nicely. Those that, come into the organization at bottom level, a lot of the times, the problem is what you know, what's the can we get a toast in the lunchroom? They're not thinking about the vision of the organization, but how can we get them to be better performers and do it in a way where it's better for their lives?
And that's, wow. I actually feel I want more out of this organization. I do wanna be in the leadership team. I do wanna move to c suite. I do wanna, you know, maybe even be the CEO of this company at some point in time because I'm actually passionate about what we're doing, and that's a different journey.
And giving those people the opportunities, and sometimes, I've had to say, I feel that you're at a level that you could go out and do your own thing, and I'd support you creating that. Would you like to do that? And you're like, but I love working for you. And so you could still if you feel that you'd love to work for us, that's still great. And I I think you're of high value, but I think you're of a high value to yourself in life and you could do, this is what I'd suggest.
What are your thoughts around? And they're like, I loved it. I've always wanted to do that, but I'm scared or nervous. Are you scared or nervous, or could you be excited about the opportunity? I'd be excited, and then we shift and change, and we get that person to step away.
And they're like, mate, I'm forever grateful because you made me real happy. Wow. And I'm like, I could've kept you there, but That's transformational. That's great. You know?
Yeah. Might be that transformational person for your own life. And then you understand that I just need to do things I'm not currently doing. Surrender to that conversation as we've said. We're not all we won't always be the smartest person in the room, and that's cool.
Oh, gosh. No. You don't wanna be. If you're in that room and you're in that room every day and you're that smartest person, my advice is whether you're signing up for conferences, events, free networking opportunities, sitting with people in those spaces, do yourself a favor to keep learning and growing. And if that's the greatest thing we could ever do, build ourselves into the best human being we can be for our own lives, and you'll end up providing what I call VB to a conversation, and that means the value and benefit.
VB is a drink here in Australia for those that don't know. I get people to remember v oh, VB, you mean the drink? And I'm like, no. Another drink, value and benefit. It might you might feel that brings value and benefit in in that environment later on, a bit of Dutch courage.
But in general, you know, net value and benefit to any room. And watch what happens. People will hire you. They wanna be around you. You feel that you're in the right spaces, and you feel that love, kindness, empathy, and respect.
You feel valued. You feel that you can contribute. You feel that you're actually doing, the path of the greatest thing in life. I call you a to b of life, and that dashing between your life, that's when you are born and when you die. It's either going to be filled with regret or it's going to be filled with life and you get to choose that.
Oh, Jeff. I love this. I love this. I think we could talk for hours and hours and hours, actually. It's easy.
So, what I'm gonna do, I've got I'm gonna ask you one more question and then we'll probably have to have phase two, three, or four because I know you're a busy busy man. So but there's so many avenues I wanna go down with where you just went. But on what you just said then because you're you're a true testament to the power of the mind. The ability that anyone can transfer transform their life. And, you've just got to commit, make those 1% little commitments and discipline.
But where I did wanna go back to, and I think you pretty much do it, but when it comes to you're in your rocking chair, Jeff, and you're rocking back in thought, what is it the core memories or experiences that you want to look back on and that you have learned your lessons from? And what's the legacy you are wanting to leave? Yeah. I I it's really simple. Like, do what you want, when you want, with who you want, as much as you want, and I'll be rocking like this.
And I'll be just sitting there. And then to do that, I have to every lesson has to be a blessing. Because if it isn't, then what is it? It's a stress. Like, oh, what happened to me?
Yeah. You don't know what happened to me. The abuse. I was abused. I was x, y, and z just like yourself.
All of the above. Some of the stuff if I told you is so graphic that they're busy people be like, what? And whether it was the jail stuff and people not leaving jail, just put it on that level of conversation through to waking up next to a person who's been, stabbed many times to death and as a young kid. So I could tell you a hundred stories, and I can tell you why I shouldn't be where I am today, but I've got a series on YouTube I've just brought out, if I can, you can. And that means that I genuinely mean that.
Yeah. What you focus on, as you said, your energy goes in one direction. Vibration, frequency, energy. It is real. Don't believe me?
Have a man, if you're a female, come and stand right behind you that you don't know. But right in your space and you're gonna go, who the heck's this? Right? So what energy are you feeding yourself? How can you flip that?
And that comes back to do what you want, when you want, with who you want, as much as you want. What are the actions I need to take to cause the reactions I want within my life? And that sometimes means you've got to let go of people, environments that you feel comfortable in. As much as it's chaos, I'm growing up in one of Australia's most notorious streets, I felt safe in that environment. But you as, you know, Christine, you come to Everly Street Redfern in a day, you just would not walk through there.
Right? And then people now are like, I walked through there back then. It was wasn't a problem. Bullshit you did. Just didn't happen.
I guarantee it. The police didn't come through there. You didn't come through there. Now when people understand that, I used to tell myself it was okay. I'll do jail standing on my head.
That was all the dissonance. That was all the things that I told myself, the perception of my reality versus true reality. So go back to the rocking chair moment and say, at the end of your life, when you're rocking on that chair, what would your highlights really look like? What does the movie of your life if we press play on it? Let's have a look at Christina's life.
Oh, you went into work that day. That was cool. What happened next day? Oh, you did the same thing. Seventy five years later, you're still doing the same thing.
Was that life you truly want? If you die today, I took you up to heaven, and I press play on the dream life of what you envisioned, and we press play on that. And you go, wow. I jumped out of an airplane, drove with sharks, drove this, done that, traveled to there, married that person, had kids. And even could I say even I tried this and it didn't work rather than a what if what if I wonder if I was gonna be the best next Taylor Swift.
Oh, no. Turns out I can't sing. But, you know, what if sorry. Take that away. Sure.
Tried and it didn't work. I wouldn't even say that. What was the lesson that became a blessing? Because soon as I say tried and didn't work, I'm gonna say I wasn't good enough for. If I'm not built well, I won't take that well.
Whereas if I say, what was the lesson that became? What was the yeah. I learned that I love crowds. I learned that I actually hate crowds and took me in this direction. So that's how I pivoted.
And you weren't Taylor Swift but what you did do is say, I'm grading crowds and I can have those conversations. Now I can be maybe somebody that's a public speaker or maybe I can go and be the person at a big conference to talk to network to people for the organization. I'm of what value and benefit to this thing. My pay scale goes from a hundred grand to $500 or, yeah, the CEO or something of that nature. That creates a different way of life.
But until you do that, you're never going to know. You're gonna say, oh, yeah. And as I said, if I press play on that life and you're driving this car, you're traveling there, whatever it is that you want. I don't know what it you got more peace of mind. You got less stress in your life.
And you go, wow. That was a great life. I dreamt a lot of that, and I say, I know because I'm your god. Right? I'm your deity.
And I say, I know because I saw your visions. I'm playing that so you see what that life would've looked like. And you're like, oh, man. I wish I'd done that. So, hey, Christina.
Why don't you come back now and now? And I'll reverse your age. I'll give you that life. But you've got to action all of those and have a go at it. Will you take the opportunity?
There's not a person on this planet you can talk as much bullshit as you want. I won't go back to earth. Once I'm done, I'm done. You'd say, you know what? Send me back on the air.
She'd have a crack at life. That's what you, you know, you should You take action. Good aim. Take action and cause the reactions you want. You're worth it.
That's what I'd tell you. So and if I can, you can. If I can, you can. I love that. I love that.
I can't wait for this. And is it for your YouTube channel to be coming out or is it out? No. It's out. So that was something I did last year.
I had a good friend, in Spanion who's we grew up around when I say good Oh, I think I saw that. Within the environment of us is not I wouldn't say he's a good friend. I'd just say, to me, anyone that's a good person, and when I say that having a go at life, being good to other people. He went out and did that. Right?
And he traveled the world and, has inspired me to say, hey. I'm traveling the world. I should be filming this as well. Sure. And we've started that channel up, and I've done a series where if I can, you can.
I'm taking you back to old moments in my life that were I said to myself, I don't mind growing up in this area. It's great. You know? We're connected. But then we're disrespecting each other, gossiping about each other.
So what was I really enjoying that area? And then what was the lesson that became a blessing from that story? And then, you know, you've got to get out of, well, I didn't grow up in an area like that, so I won't learn anything off you. In the end, human behavior is human behavior, and it doesn't matter whether you're in jail, whether you're in life. It can be on a war field, in jail, in a business boardroom.
It could be anywhere. Right? On a sports field. Lessons become blessings when you come with the intention to listen and learn. And once you do that, I can guarantee that your spirit of knowledge will forever walk this planet until the end of time, which means you teach your kids, Christina.
They teach their kids. Yeah. Your spirit Legacy. Years later continues to walk. And my grandmother taught me that, and I'm gonna leave that with you to be able to do that for yourselves for yourself, for people.
That's a beautiful way to and your spirit spirit will forever be walking this earth. And so you need to keep in mind and at the forefront of what you're putting out there and are your words kind or are your thoughts kind people? Let's take a step back and just go, do you really need to care what they're wearing or what they're doing or you know, people have different filters but your spirit will forever walk this Earth. So, you always, if you do this with intention, if you do it with a direction, then you can create the life you want. And don't you don't have to do it on your own is the biggest message here.
There are people out there, like Jeff, who are here to help you to open up your mind to get rid of your mind viruses and those bugs that are there that you don't even realize you're being controlled by and to actually put you on a trajectory you have never even thought could be possible. And if you're imagine if you can get from your a to b, but you can do it in seven years over 70, just imagine what else is open. And, like, the the possibilities, people, instead of thinking negative, think positive. Like, go everything you say that's negative, my recommendation to anyone listening would be if you just say, that sounds too hard. Just if you change the narrative and gone, I wonder how I would do that.
Just change the narrative every time and and catch yourself every negative. Catch yourself. Change the narrative of going, what would the steps be to do this? Who would I need to meet to do this? And if you start asking yourself these questions, then your narrative of what you're putting out there, then all of a sudden, hey, Jeff comes into your feed on social media and you're like, oh, you know, it's it's amazing.
Love it. And today, as an example, the rocking chair moment, the bug within the system. What is your bug with it's now a question I'll ask other people. We ask it in a different way, but I'd actually ask, what's the bugs within your system? And it's something I'd take out so everyone's clear.
We all learn off somebody, and we add more value to somebody else. And when I leave, people won't remember what you say, but they remember how you made them feel. Yeah. If I can make them feel specifically because I've plugged in something of value that they can then plug in as part of their human, then they become a better human, and that's how we make them feel. If if there's one upgrade in their system you can do.
Even if you're not helping the full thing, if we do one upgrade in their system, you know, that that's progress to the next step. And then you might do another upgrade until they're ready to completely transform and Take that. There's another one I just said. And, like, they're all great tools that I could implement into my business and no doubt will at points of time in conversation now to see it differently. And they're such simple words.
You're like, why didn't you answer? Why don't you ask those questions, Jeff, already? And, well, maybe I didn't, and that's okay. That's okay not to be where you think, you know, if I compare myself to where Tony Robbins is, and I'm not gonna have the same funnily enough, we had the same mentor, Jim Wright. In general, the spacing if you look at the spacing between where where I'm and where he is, it's far in between.
And if I look at that, I'm like, you know, I I just didn't get as much out of Jim as he did or see. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Rather than say, I'm on a great journey, and I learned as much as I could from Jim, took plenty, Bob Proctor, Brian Tracy, these old school people, and then plugged them into myself. And same new school people, Christina today and I, have exchanged knowledge that we can, you know, get to a position where she's now better going into business opportunities.
Said that's a great way of putting it. But before earlier on about her being in Dubai and providing that example, what if we could do that on a regular basis? And we can. You just gotta surrender and listen and learn as my grandmother said. And For obvious variable often.
And sometimes not even from me. What I passed on, Christina might teach to her partner, her kids, her her circle. And wow, that's a great way of looking. I'm gonna plug that in and that goes to her kids, her family, and generations upon generations later. That lesson still becomes a blessing within our life.
You'll get quotes that have been said from the Roman Empire. They're still being used as an example because it, you know, made somebody feel a specific way. They wrote it down. They've passed it on, and now we plug it into our lives. Plug the value into your life and watch what happens with your life.
It'll be your absolutely. Yes. Be that person. Yeah. Oh, mate.
And so much I need to do in my life as well. I love this. Thank you. I'm gonna say thank you. So thank you so much, Jeff.
I have absolutely thoroughly enjoyed our conversation. As I said, I think there'll be part two, three, and four in different we could we could go down different rabbit holes. Absolutely. Thank you. You are a total blessing to this world.
You are changing people's lives, and you're changing more than you even ever would realize. So it's the people that are just listening now, and they do take just a little piece away, and you actually have pivoted them just off one path of going, oh, hang on. Maybe I can get out of this shitty situation. Maybe I can change myself. So for that, I am forever ever grateful, and I hope that your mission of creating better building better humans, building better humans is just so beautiful, and it's it's it's that human connection.
So thank you for all you do. Thanks for your time. Your mentality creates a better reality. People Live life. Live life and Yes.
Life into your life. Thank you.