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Jhon
Welcome to supernatural breakthroughs, where we have real, raw and unfiltered conversations about our Christ centered spiritual journeys. Discover mystical stories told by truth seekers on their many spiritual quests. We trust that these stories will help you on your own personal journey of discovery. So true spirituality is relational. Okay, so let's begin to unpack this jaw earlier, talking about an ecosystem of some kind.
00:35
Joao
Yeah. So as we're going to talk about this relational spirituality, we're going to talk about this network of love that's a family. But if this seems too abstract, all we have to do is look outside at the trees, the birds, the flowers, the bees, and they're all working in a beautiful symbiotic harmony. What does that mean? They're just working together and they're flowing together. And all of life is like that. You know, I need this microphone to express this microphone into the cables. The cables need electricity. And it's an ongoing flow of relationship between objects and people and things and time and space. So you see this in the natural world as well.
01:11
Joao
What were also understanding is that in our journeys with Christ of transcending from self and going beyond ourself, is that true spirituality isn't about us doing, doing, but it's about relating to.
01:21
Jhon
I see. So it's a. It's taking you out of that self preoccupation and realizing, just like we see all around us, we're in relationship to everything. The nature, the breath, the air, the sunshine, the beautiful company here, beautiful listeners tuning in. There's a relationship always taking place. I like that. I like that. I think we should talk about the dysfunctional side of family here, because relationships, a lot of us, I would say, catapulted into this spiritual seeking from high dysfunctions in our homes, you know, feeling unsafe, being hypersensitive. Maybe you relate to the word being an empath or clairsentient and so forth, had extrasensory capacities and people around you didn't understand you. And so it felt very rigid having those relationships or relatings with the people in your tribe that you came into this earth with.
02:07
Jhon
So that sends you on this spiritual quest to learn and grow. So a lot of pain was there in our family tribes. So I think it's important that we separate that when we talk about relationship and family here and we look at the distinctions between what is it to be in a spiritual family with Goddesse? What have you guys got on that to take us there?
02:26
Hanka
That is very interesting, what you're saying, because I feel that God choose specifically one of us in each family to be, since child a little bit different, apart from the main other members of the family, for a very wise and beautiful reason that we only much later can perceive and understand why so much of the challenge that we have while we are growing in our family later on when we met God and we allow him to heal us and to align us on the purpose that he has, he can use us to bring to our family different perspectives and different ways of being. So our family can as well come to be part of God's family.
03:10
Hanka
Because as Jesus has said, while he was preaching once with people, he was saying, my mother and my brothers are here with me, are not the biological mother and brothers. So by this I mean that God look at all this not from emotional or biological way of looking to the things, but instead on a spiritual and lower perspective on a big plan that he had for the entire human race.
03:37
Jhon
I like that coming into what you often talk about, Hanka, about the soul. When I'm hearing you talk to him, it's like a lot of the dynamics we have with our families and tribes when we're younger or even still to this day, are very soulish in the sense of, you know, there's an expectation if you don't behave in a certain way, it will pull attention and love from you. It's very much at that conditional gravity of the soul where when we come into this true relationship from above, it's got a very different atmosphere to it. No, it's very true. It's grace based, love based. Cause God says, I loved you first.
04:12
Hanka
And it just reminded me of, again, that moment when my mom was screaming all over the house and saying, over my dead body, you go to church again. But interesting was that I was eight years old before I had an experience with Jesus and asked Jesus to come into my life. And that day I was prepared for this wrath coming from my mom's side, which was righteous wrath. And that's what Jesus was explaining to me when I just came from playing with my friends, and he prepared me. It's okay. What your mom is asking and do as she's asking from you. And because no one can take me away from you, the love that he had given me, the accessing his love, and he inserted into me that confidence and trust, no matter what is happening right now, everything will go well.
05:04
Hanka
And I just obeyed to my mom's request. And it was amazing love in the same time, when in the physical realm, you see everything is falling apart, you know, and no such thing well.
05:16
Jhon
When we talk about the limitations of our parents or the soul level of relational dynamics, of course, it's a lot of judgment. Everyone's doing the best they can with what they've got to a large extent, but the dynamics are very limited in those relationships. You step a little bit to the left, a little bit to the right. Hey, you're going to cause some serious problems in your family dynamics, right? And that's painful, because a deep part of you wants to be loved. You want to be penetrated by light and love, but you don't get it. That's why Jesus is saying, those are my family are the ones who do the will of the father. There is a kind of grafting in of that kingdom of light.
05:50
Jhon
What is so deep and interesting here is that God knows every single thing about you and that you have ever done or are going to do, and yet he loved you first. So the Bible says, God so loved the world. This is while we're completely messed up to the deepest level, at the most horrific levels of messed upness, he so loved the world that he gave the most deep, precious thing that he had for you. Not a small thing. He came down himself and paid the price. Now, this is crazy levels of love, like, unfathomable depths of love. So if you're looking for a love or a light that can actually penetrate you to the deepest level, it's the grafting into the spiritual family. It's completely different to the limitations of the lower dynamics for families. Again, families are beautiful.
06:35
Jhon
They have their place down here, but there's a different family we're talking about, completely different. Based on pure grace, pure love. And it doesn't even matter what you think you've done or you're gonna do. The love and the grace is there to affect you.
06:48
Hanka
So true.
06:49
Hanka
And not only that, but also in terms of how we relate with each other. Because when we are under that grace and when we have this deep understanding about who he is and who we are with him, everything, even in ourselves, change completely in the way that we relate with each other. Right? Because we start to having this compassion for ourselves and for others that we don't have before previously. We are spiritual beings, so we start to look into relationship with other human race, the rest of the human race, in terms of we can always learn something from each other for be a better being as well as we can give something, serve others. We have more patience, more love, more mercy. And that is beautiful in my case, because it was a time in me while I was suffering.
07:43
Hanka
Trying to figure out the truth about God before I have Christ with me. That I wasn't almost able to be with other people. I wasn't with. Like, I was no overdose. I cannot relate. I have no patience. I hate almost people. You know what I mean? But then. Yeah, like, no, no. It's too much. Too much. These people are crazy all. But then everything shifts, and then it gets this love and this almost an issue. We must do something for each other.
08:11
Jhon
Would you say that power came from your spirit and your relationship with God, that eternal family, that energy, and then you just have more grace for people?
08:18
Hanka
Yes, absolutely. Even to start serving in different ways.
08:21
Hanka
Nice.
08:22
Jhon
Love it.
08:23
Joao
It's beautiful, what you're saying. When I was hearing both John and Mariana, I was thinking about economies. So every relationship and dynamics, they're based on economies. It's based on what you have and what you give and what you get. So let's think of this world. We have an economy, and we can trade in euros and dollars now. We can get food, we can get clothes. But it's like raw matter. And I think this raw matter that we trade in the different economies, for example, in the dysfunctional relationships, they're like expectations and judgments. And that's what we're giving to each other. And that's why we're so broken. Because I have my expectations. You have your expectations, but naturally, we're going to fail that. But when you actually go into God's economy or family, it's a gray, spaced economy, as John was saying.
09:04
Joao
But what's beautiful about this is that it's an unlimited stock reserve or it's an unlimited currency. So you always have to give, because it doesn't come from you. It's given by grace to you and by grace now you can give to others. So it's kind of like, just as the world is progressing from dark and broken economies into, let's say, now, green energy and free energy and all these new progressions, I think also in the spiritual world, we progress from these lower economies of blame and shame all the way up to the economy of love and grace. And for me, I found that's the economy that circulates in God's family.
09:38
Jhon
Amazing. Wow.
09:39
Hanka
Freely receive. Freely give, as the word says. Amazing. Thank you. Jean was deep, beautiful.
09:45
Jhon
Thank you guys, for tuning in. Trust you enjoyed that. Speak to you again soon.
09:49
Hanka
Thank you.
09:52
Jhon
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