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Welcome to Untethered Consciousness, hosted by Rod Bland, where we share stories and insights to help you answer the most fundamental of questions: Who am I?
Through the conversations that we have with our guests, we aim to help you reach your own conclusions about the nature of our existence.
Ingrid Honkala: And I went
on to the other side of the
tank where there was this
thin edge and I was like
leaning there so precariously
but hey we're just having
fun so what is the danger?
And she grabbed the ball and
she threw the ball but she
didn't apply enough force.
The ball fell.
And it was floating in the
water, and I just thought, of
course I can grab it, and then
I leaned forward, and when
I tried to grab the ball, it
rolled on the surface of the
water, and I fell in the tank.
Rod Bland: My guest today
is Ingrid Honkala a marine
biologist and former NASA
oceanographer among her
many other accomplishments.
But more interesting to me
though, is the many near death
experiences that she's had.
The first one occurring
at three years old and
Ingrid is here to talk
about those today.
Ingrid, welcome.
And thank you so much
for coming on the show.
Ingrid Honkala: Thank you
so much for having me, it's
an honor and, oh gosh, it's
incredible to be able to be
here sharing with you and
your audience, thank you.
Rod Bland: It's my pleasure.
I've, been having a great time
reading your book actually,
and I wish I'd started a
couple of days ago, cause
now I can't put it down.
I'm always in the middle
of reading three or four
books, and now I've started
with yours, I'm going
to have to finish it.
But you've, I've got so many
questions because you've lived
such an interesting life.
I thought when I, as I
was reading about your
story, you're like a
modern day Lara Croft.
Does anyone ever mention
Lara Croft to you when
they read your story?
Ingrid Honkala: I
don't remember that.
Rod Bland: No?
Okay.
Yeah, it's, Lara Croft is a
fictional character from a
video game called Tomb Raider,
which was turned into a movie
and I forget the lead actress.
Anyway, that's who you
reminded me of, but a real
one, not a pretend one.
So how about we start with the
time that led up to your first
NDE when you were very small
and then we can go from there.
Ingrid Honkala: Yes, oh.
That was the, of course,
the experience that, from
that point on, opened for,
I would just say, led me
to my path of spirituality,
let's call it that way, or
discovering who I truly was.
And we were going to
think, what, you're talking
about Ingrid when she was
close to three years old?
Yes, I was a little child
when my first near death
experience happened.
And it all happened
in Colombia.
I was born in Bogota and
there I was living with
my parents and my sisters
and they would leave us
at the care of a maid.
And she was a lady that didn't
pay attention to us when
my parents were not around.
And one morning they left
for work and she went to
do her thing and my oldest
sister and I decided let's
go play in the patio.
And no one is watching.
And then...
Once in the patio, we saw
a ball and decided let's
play catch across the tank.
So the problem about this
patio or the scare about it
was that there was a big tank.
And the purpose of this big
tank was to collect water for
hand washing clothes, and it
was like about 900 gallons of
water, so it was a big tank.
Wow.
And she and I decided,
nothing less dangerous than,
let's go play in the tank!
And then, because the tank
was big, we climbed the
wall with some stools, and
then she sat on the flat
surface for scrubbing.
And I went on to the other
side of the tank where
there was this thin edge
and I was like leaning
there so precariously but
hey we're just having fun
so what is the danger?
And she grabbed the ball and
she threw the ball but she
didn't apply enough force.
The ball fell.
And it was floating in the
water, and I just thought, of
course I can grab it, and then
I leaned forward, and when
I tried to grab the ball, it
rolled on the surface of the
water, and I fell in the tank.
Imagine Rod, the first
feeling was, people have
the misconception that
because I am from Colombia,
I come from hot weather
country, but Bogota is
very high up in the Andes.
That's about I think Bogota
is close to 3, 000 meters.
It was pretty cold
out there, yes.
Very early in the morning,
the temperature in that
tank was probably three
to four degrees Celsius.
The first feeling when my
body touched that water
was that sense of GASP!
This water is pretty cold.
And the next thing was
that, oh, what is going on?
Why I cannot breathe.
I had never been in a pool.
We didn't have a bathtub,
so I never had the
head under the water.
I didn't know that if you
fall in the water, you drown.
Didn't know you
couldn't breathe.
So imagine that a scare
when why I cannot breathe.
And I am in that state
of absolute horror when
the miracle happened.
I went from that terror...
Just like that, ah, to peace.
It was peace and calmness
and serenity and like, whoa.
I didn't know what happened,
but I didn't need to
escape out of the tank.
I didn't need to breathe.
I didn't need to go anywhere.
It was just peace.
And there's one thing,
Rod, people always ask me,
how can you remember this?
Come on, you were
just so little.
And I said, because it was so
much contrast that happened
throughout the experience.
And people say, what
do you mean with this
thing of contrast?
The first thing, imagine going
from a state of such shock
and horror to that peace.
Second, this space
was very dark.
It was an enclosed tank, it
had a roof, it was made of
cement, it was early in the
morning, so the last thing
I saw with my eyes open was
the darkness of the space.
And the moment I went into
this space of calmness and
serenity and just peace.
Light.
I saw light that
came from below.
And this light was like the
light of a candle, but it
was able to illuminate the
whole watery surrounding.
So it was going
from darkness to...
Now there is light.
The next contrast is that I
live in a very noisy house.
There was sisters and
cousins and dogs and birds.
And then...
The last thing also I heard
with my, at the moment of
that I'm drowning in that
moment of terror was my
heart beating very loud.
And I could hear in my head
like boom, boom, boom, boom.
And the moment I entered
into the peace, Silence.
Absolute silence, but it
was that silence that came
with so much peace, Rod.
I call it the silence behind
the silence, to the point
that this just didn't end
there for the rest of my
life after this experience.
I craved this silence, and
later in my life I would
hide into closets under
the bed, go in to chapels.
I was like, I wanted that
silence, and I didn't
know where to find it.
So imagine, these things are
just, that, big huge about
this experience for me.
And then, this is the
other thing, now I am in
the tank, I'm seeing the
light, I am experiencing
the calmness, and then,
I started to see bubbles.
And these bubbles were
surrounded by light.
And it was by like, Oh,
imagine now the child like,
Oh, this is what is going on.
And it was by looking at
these bubbles that I turn
around and I saw a body
suspended in the water.
And when I saw the body,
it was like, oh, it
was the realisation of
like, this is my body,
Rod Bland: Whoa,
Ingrid Honkala: not the sense
of fear or the sense it was
like oh it was more like
the sense of familiarity, it
was something like, oh this
already happened before,
like it wasn't something
that I felt that was
very strange to me.
And it comes the other
contrast, and it was that I
was born as a very sick child.
And sometimes we will wonder
why a child is sick, but in
my case it had a purpose.
And the purpose was to
be able to experience
again these contrasts.
If I would have come from a
body that was experiencing
complete well being, then I
don't know the difference.
But coming from a body
that had been unwell for
almost three years, I
didn't even know how to
feel other than sick.
And then in this moment Rod,
imagine I am in the state
of complete well being.
And I'm like, wow,
it's new, it's good.
This feels amazing.
So the moment I saw
that body, I'm like, I'm
not going back there.
And this is the other
Rod Bland: that one's done.
that.
And I had the awareness that
I could do that, that, oh, I'm
not going back to the body.
And I turn around and
I left the body behind.
And the moment I turn
around, I started to see
flowers, and these flowers
were blooming from nowhere.
And this is the other thing,
it's like I lost the sense
of dimension because then now
I was picked by the flowers.
And the flowers
started to just carry
me, and I'm like, oh.
And I said to people, it's
that, the analogy of it's like
going back to the womb, and
you just, you don't have to
do anything, you're just being
done, being carried, just, oh.
And then when I
am just in the...
This joy, this bliss.
In just a blink like
that, I appear in the
maid's room, where she was
listening to the radio.
She's listening
to soap operas.
And I'm looking at
her from above and I'm
like, that's Maria.
And then Maria is so
unaware, she's just into
her soap operas that she
did not realize anything.
In another blink like that,
I appear in my mom's path.
My mom didn't have a car and
she had to walk and she was
close to her bus stop and it
was like, I would just say
maybe about 10 minutes walk.
And then the moment that I
appear, this is what, one,
validated the experience.
And two, I think that's
what blows everybody's minds
away, is that the moment
Rod, that I saw my mom from
above, like there floating,
I said, Oh, that's mom!
She stopped.
She did not give another step.
She did not hesitate.
And she, it's like she knew
at that moment something
at home is happening
with one of my babies.
And I sometimes mention,
and I think it's important
to mention that she
had got a new job.
The ego mind or the mind is
going to be more settling, oh,
I have to go to my new job.
Forget about this mind thing
that is telling me to go home.
I have to say two things.
My mom was a very
intuitive person.
And second, my mom
listened to her intuition.
So at that moment, she
stopped, turned around, and
started to run back home.
And then I'm looking at
her from above and I'm
like, wondering like,
why mom is running?
And then when, at that
moment, I just look at
the horizon and I saw a
dog, and I love animals.
And the moment I felt
the sense, oh, I want
to be with this dog.
And just that desire
brought me immediately
to be with the dog.
And I'm like, whoa!
And then I changed my
view and I saw a park.
And in the moment I have
the desire to be in the
park, I am in the park.
So now I'm like, whoa,
this is so much fun!
And now I am
playing this game.
And it's when I imagine,
it's that realization
that anything I knew about
time and space changed.
And now I could be anywhere
at any time, and I'm
like, having so much fun.
And it's like having
fun playing like, this
game of going places.
And then when I'm like
having fun, I'm playing
like, in another flash.
It was like, everything
in this experience was
like in a blink like that.
I appeared in a realm.
And this realm was
made of pure, bright,
intense, shiny light.
And that was the first time
in almost my three years of
life that I felt, I am home.
I'm finally home.
And it was that sense
of, again, familiarity.
And home is that sense
where you, the place where
you feel embraced, and you
feel welcome, and you feel
hugged, and you feel good,
and I'm like, oh gosh,
it's so good to be home.
And then...
Something amazing
happened at that moment.
Although I had seen my body
suspended in the water up
to this point, I didn't have
the realization, the clarity
that was not who I was.
So at this moment is
when I just realized
I am not that body.
I am not that.
And it's when I realized
myself as a being of light,
and then it was the sense that
I'm still having a sense of
self, but it was that feeling
of, dissolving, melting.
And this sense of
self, even vanish, Rod.
It was, I experienced what
I call nothingness and
some people get scared
with the word nothingness.
Some call it non self, some
call it emptiness, but to
not sound scary is I give
the analogy of imagine a big
stadium and in the middle of
the stadium there's a little
box and all you thought that
you were was that little box.
All your knowledge, all
you knew about the world.
And imagine at three years
old, my box was very small.
And that's what
I thought I was.
And suddenly, I'm all of it.
So it's nothing because
it's nothing you
knew, but wholeness,
totality, connectedness.
So I guess the only words
I could use, I was...
And learning and many
years later, of course,
at that moment, I didn't
have any language, but I
could say it was a moment
of pure consciousness
and presence, and bliss.
I was just like, whoa.
I would just say in
reality, there's no
words to describe this.
It took me many, many years to
just put it together and say,
this is what it seems it is.
See?
But it is just wow.
And then when I am in
my state of, wow, bliss.
My mom finally arrived
home and this is the
other incredible thing.
We live in a big house and
she knew exactly where to go.
Because this is the other
thing, if she is wasting time
going to any other room, the
body only can take so much.
So my mom is she knew where
to go and she directed herself
to the back of the house.
And my sister was still there,
and people ask me, why your
sister didn't go to the maid?
Guess what, Rod?
We did not supposed
to be in the patio.
That was out of limits
because of the tank.
So when you're a child,
you have the intelligence
of knowing if I go there,
I'm going to get scolded.
So she wanted to help me
out, but she couldn't.
She was too little.
And then, like I said,
she was close to four.
And the moment she saw mom,
she's like mom, Ingrid is in
the tank and I cannot get her.
My mom jumped in the tank.
She got me out.
Another incredible thing,
call it synchronicity,
amazingness of life.
My mom worked with
children and she knew how
to do CPR for children.
So she knew at that moment
what to do because she said
when she pulled me out of the
tank, I was completely pale,
my lips, my nails were purple.
She said no
breathing, no pulse.
She said I was like
a raggedy doll.
And my mom started to
do anything she knew
to revive this baby.
But at this point, I
didn't feel anything.
I was completely disconnected.
I was in my world of bliss.
And I'm just there.
And the thing what
happened is that...
Again, this experience,
everything like that, and
in just a blink is like I
had jumped from the tallest
building in the world, and
that was that sense of there
was nothing I could do to
stop this, and I felt like I
was being pulled, like I was
being vacuumed back and it
was this fall and I started
to, it was that sense of no!
And I didn't want
to come back.
So once I'm back in the
body I know I'm back
because the sense of being
cold, the sense of feeling
unwell, that illness of
the body the sense of like
the, I lost that freedom.
The sense of anger, I don't
want to be here and I know
that I just say to people
that at this analogy, imagine
your child is in an amusement
park having fun and it's time
to go home and he's like,
you put the child in the
car and he's nah, you cry,
you're angry, you throw a fit.
That's how I felt.
I don't want to be here.
So it was difficult.
It was really difficult.
Yeah, and from there,
it was that, sense of
not wanting to be here.
And for my parents and
for me, it was very hard
because I stopped eating.
And incredibly, although I
was so young, there was a
before and an after Ingrid.
And I can say this with
all clarity because the
moment I looked at myself,
I said, I'm not this person.
I'm not this child.
And I will look at myself in
the mirror and cry and come
to my mom and say, understand,
mom, this is not who I am.
I'm not a child.
And then I said,
this is not my name.
This is not who I am.
And I will look at my parents.
And I didn't, it's
just, I experienced
a sense of oneness.
So for me, they were not
just my biological parents.
I felt them as my equal.
And I became very
rebellious because I was
like, why do I have to
listen to these people?
And then imagine
looking at other people,
at other children.
I came back with
all that awareness.
And when I would look at
other children, I said, What
is happening to these people?
They don't know anything.
So I couldn't relate.
And then it was that
sense of, I don't belong.
I don't belong here.
And the other thing that
also validated that this
child definitely came with
other kind of awareness is
because like I'm mentioning
to you guys, I'm just about
to be three years old.
And now after the
experience, not long after
I can read and write.
I
Ingrid Honkala: can resolve
mathematical problems.
I can put together
complex puzzles.
I can paint.
I develop a more
complex language.
Although, I did not have
the capacity to explain
what was happening.
So I was very frustrated,
very angry, stopped eating.
I reached the point
I refused to even,
I didn't even want
to be touched.
But thankfully for me,
Rod Bland: The
Ingrid Honkala: help that
I needed brought him in
the most remarkable way.
And this way was the other
thing that happened is that
after my near death, I started
to have what we know today
as out-of-body experiences.
And then, during these
out-of-body experiences,
I started to go back to
the realm of the light.
It's oh, I have a space to be.
I have a space to be.
And although at the beginning,
it was, I would just say...
It felt hard for the body
and for the mind because
I was experiencing colors,
movements, sounds, things
that I have never experienced
in my human experience
to, to say it that way.
And then, but every time
I went to that realm of
the light, I imagine it
was like, oh, I'm home.
I am home.
And The way that the help
came is that, in one of
these journeys one day I
was completely surrounded
by Starlight figures and
they were shining in all
different colors and that was
like absolutely magnificent.
It's whoa.
Imagine walking outside at
night and looking at the
most beautiful universe,
but imagine this was all
a white space with lights
shining in all colors.
And I was like, and now
at this point in my life,
of course they fired
that lady let me drown.
Yeah.
And then they hired a
new lady, but I spent a
lot of hours sleeping.
And if you don't have to take
care of a baby because she's
sleeping, oh, that's good.
So she let me sleep.
And I slept a lot.
And in another one of these
journeys, one of these
starlight figures that was
shining in gold, shaped itself
into a human form to show
me, look we are the same.
And it touched me.
And it's when I said,
you are a being of light.
That's the reason why I call
them beings of light, because
as a child, and that's what
I saw, a being of light.
And then I woke up that
day and I'm like, Whoa,
imagine now I wanted
to sleep all the time.
I'm like, I want to be
with the beings of light.
And we need balance.
Of course, I could not be
the child that slept forever.
So this balance happened.
Not long after, one day,
I am taking a shower.
I'm very relaxed in the
bathroom taking this shower
when right there in the
bathroom a blue intense
shiny light appear and I'm
like whoa now the beams of
light are here and although
at the beginning they didn't
say anything or do anything
just their presence I started
to see them everywhere.
And now I just felt this sense
of oh, I am, I feel good.
I feel home.
And this is very important,
Rod, because many years later,
I started to truly understand
that concept of home.
And it was that realization
that, oh, I get it.
Because I always remember
I wanted to go there.
I wanted to go there.
And once the beings of
light started to manifest
here, I started to feel
the sense I want to eat.
I want to play
with my sisters.
Ah, I feel good.
I feel at home.
So realizing, oh, I get it.
Home is not a place.
It's a state of being.
And this is the other thing I
always say to people when they
ask me, again, how can you
remember if you were so young?
I already mentioned all
the contrast and stuff.
But I always say.
With all this, it's like the
door for me never closed,
because I kept having the
out of body experiences, now
communicating with beings of
light, and I always say it's
for me, the door never closed.
It's not that near that, and
ended there, but it kept going
and going and going, and so
for many times, I kept saying
the door never closed, and
years later, the being so
light said to me, Ingrid, of
course the door never closed.
They said because in
reality, there are no doors.
They said what we call
consciousness, God, the
kingdom of heaven, the light
is here for everyone, always.
We are the ones that due
to conditioning, that due
to beliefs, that due to
experiences, fears, whatever
traumas we want to call it,
we create layers, we create
doors, we close the windows.
But...
It's nice to make that
decision at any moment to
open up those doors again.
And then, this is all
beautiful because now in
that state of feeling home,
I started to play with
my sisters, communicate
more, be more of the
world, but I was still
throwing like big tantrums.
Because I could not
relate with my persona.
I could not relate
with my name.
The experience, was it
marked my life so strongly
and the out of body
experiences and everything
else that I kept feeling,
again, I'm not this child.
This is not who I am.
And like I was mentioning
up to this point, I
could feel the presence
of the beings of light.
I could see them.
I could smell the
smell of flowers.
Every time they were present,
it was like there was
flowers blooming everywhere.
And the first time I was able
to hear them there was a day I
threw a big tantrum and it was
one night they were calling
me for dinner and they're
like Ingrid, come to dinner.
I'm like, oh that name,
that's not my name, I
would get aggravated.
And then the lady came,
Ingrid, we're calling
you for dinner, and I
said, stop calling me
like that's not my name.
And she said, so
what is your name?
And I said, I do not need one.
Imagine this right?
So it's
oh, yeah, you go to bed.
Come on, what do you do
with a child like that?
And early seventies,
they didn't understand
anything about what was
happening to this child.
And then I went to bed,
I was feeling, of course,
angry and sad, and I
just started to cry.
And this went for the first
time I was able to hear,
and it was this sweet, like
this compassionate, loving,
kind voice that said to me:
it's going to take time.
Like in a whisper, like to me.
It's going to take time
for them to understand
that names are not needed
in the realm of the light.
And they said to me
like, you already know.
So it was like,
oh, I'm not crazy.
I know why I
don't need a name.
So it was that clarity and
that understanding that
labels are not needed in
the realm of the spirit.
And of course Rod,
later I understood that
names are beautiful.
They are needed in
our human experience.
They carry energy,
whatever it is.
But at the core of the being,
I knew I don't need a name.
And that's why later when
the people ask me, who
are the beings of light,
what are their names?
What are these?
I said, it never was
important to me because I
learned to knew them at the
place of no name, no label.
And this is the other
thing they said to me,
look, your experiences and
the ones that are coming
someday you will share.
None of this is for you to
keep, but the time will come.
For now you have to be quiet.
And for me it was like,
what is not to understand?
I mean, this is my experience.
But yeah, pretty soon I
realized they're right.
Because when I would
talk about it, it would
be like, she's dreaming,
she's creating a story.
Especially with children,
we're always like, Yeah, she's
making all this fantasy world
so people didn't believe,
but they say there will be
people in your path to guide
you and to teach you and
you will never be alone.
And incredibly,
it was like that.
And the first person
who validated that I was
seeing things and validated
what was happening to me
was, thankfully, my mom.
Because otherwise I would
have been taken to who knows
where, to some, oh god, like
medication, who knows why,
because look at what is this
child, it's just not okay.
But my mom, what
happened is that I
started to go to school.
My mom was also very
compassionate, very
loving, very caring being.
And then when I started to go
to school, the beings of light
told me not to talk about it.
Okay, I understand,
but they never said
not to paint about it.
Rod Bland: Hehehe.
You gotta work around.
And I started to paint
beings of light everywhere.
So it was like I was painting
books and everywhere.
And so the teacher being
really curious, she's
like, Hmm, Ingrid, are
these stars, the sun?
And I said, No, these are my
friends, the beings of light.
And the teacher like,
Hmm, she's having
imaginary friends.
And then she called my
mom and my parents, but
my dad couldn't call,
my mom came to school.
And then she's showing all
these drawings and it's
when we also discover on the
conversation between them
that about the paintings
is later we realized that
I could also see Auras
because all my drawings were
painted with auras around.
And then it's when I
am so desperate for
someone to believe me.
Imagine this child that
feels I'm not crazy and I
want someone to validate me.
And I looked at my mom
and I'm like, mom, these
are my friends, the beings
of light, and these are
the colors that we wear.
And then my mom made this
mom face like this 'be
silent' because she didn't
want me to be in trouble.
She was a teacher too.
And she told the teacher, this
is just a phase we're going to
work at, nothing is happening.
And then we left the school
and now I'm like really sad.
No one believes me.
I'm alone in this.
And when we are on
the way home, my mom
said, I believe you.
And it's when she opened up
to me and she said, I believe
you because I also see things
that others cannot see.
So imagine, you know, I knew
later that I was born in the
bloodline, I was supposed
to be born to support my
experience because it wasn't
just my mom, but in my
family, there was a lineage
of psychics and mediums.
And so my mom revealed to me,
she could see these things
called spirits since she was
a little child, but she has
been told never talk about it.
So she, in that moment,
she said to me not
to talk about it.
So I, it was like listening
to the beings of light.
Okay, she's telling
me the same thing.
And, but the thing is
that later in my life I
started to also see what
we call the spirits.
And it's when I had that
realization, I was six
years old when I saw the
First Spirit, and it's
when I told my mom the
spirits and the beings of
light are not the same.
Because when I had the
experience with the first
spirit I will not talk about
because it's too long, but
it's written in the book.
Hehehe.
Yep.
Ingrid Honkala: I went into
panic, like serious scare.
And then I, that's
when I told my mom that
they were not the same.
And then my mom started
to ask me to explain more,
explain what I was seeing.
And when I explained, my mom
went into cry and she's I
think that you see angels.
And I said to her,
Mom, I don't know.
I don't think they're angels
because they don't have wings.
All we knew was the
Catholic teaching.
So she, but she said,
they have to be your
guardian angels.
So she taught me she, she, it
was beautiful she taught us to
pray and the power of prayer.
And then it's when, because
I've been talking to the
beings of light for a
while, I'm like, okay,
I better just ask them.
And then, there
was two important
questions I asked them.
First, I asked, what is
with these dark spirits?
And I called them dark
because I was descriptive.
I was a child.
I saw them as like
a dark silhouette.
And because I felt
fear, so for me, it
represents something dark.
And they said to me that you
call spirits, you, us, in
essence, we're all the same.
I was expecting to hear,
yeah, we're all different, be
aware, no, we're all the same.
And they say the
difference is the level
of awareness that you have
about who you truly are.
And they said, and some of
these beings, they're just
not aware who they are, and
they get very attached to
the matters of this world.
And they lose their way.
And it's when I realized that,
of course, the fear I felt was
because when I was connected
with the beings of light,
I was vibrating very high.
When I encountered one
of these beings, it was
a matter of frequency.
They were just
vibrating lower.
And that's what created
the fear, but there was
nothing wrong with them.
See, so it was, now that I had
that understanding, that part
of thinking that they were bad
or anything just went away.
And they said, you, all of
us, can help any being that
is lost by just raising our
vibrational frequency and
just by knowing who we are.
And the other question
I asked them is my mom
said that you are angels.
Is that what you are?
And the answer was,
this answer was actually
very beautiful, because
they said to me, we are
what you want us to be.
And it's when I, it's just,
it's that realization of the
universe is so compassionate,
that is going to give us
things in the way that is
good for our growth, that
is for our own evolution.
So it, it will present
in the way for me at that
moment, I was ready for
what I was experiencing.
So that was the path
of my evolution.
And later in life, when
I asked them and started
to learn about Ascended
Masters, I just said,
are you Ascended Masters?
They said, again, at
the core of our being,
we're all the same.
And this time they added,
the difference is Experience
and awareness, how much
experience you have and
how much awareness you
have gained through your
experience, how much mastery
is what makes you master.
So this is just
absolutely beautiful.
The other thing, Rod, I want
to share with you is that my
path could not have been the
way it is if my grandmother
did not come into my life.
My Father's Mother was
a very spiritual person.
Because through time I
came to understand it's
not the experience,
but the purpose behind
experience it, we just get
attached to the experience.
There's experiences of
everything and we don't
have understanding.
But my grandmother brought
to my life the understanding.
So it was like, now
she brought to my life
spirituality deftness,
and then she started to,
I, she came to visit she
was living in Venezuela.
She was not there
all the time.
She, and she was raised as
Catholic, but she started
to look for all different
ways because she always
thought there has to be more.
And she joined an order
called the Rosicrucian
Order, then she started
to just study Hinduism,
Kabbalah Buddhism the
chakras, all kind of stuff.
And she brought
these teachings.
And at the beginning it
wasn't to me because I was
little, but she brought it to
my parents and I'm there and
she's talking and I'm like,
Grandma's talking like
the beings of light.
And grandma and I
became best friends.
And grandma at eight
years old, taught
me how to meditate.
And I started to meditate,
and it's when I had my
first Kundalini experience.
I woke up in the middle
of the night and the whole
house was shaking after she
taught me how to pray, how
to meditate with the Om, and
then from that point on and
I started to have many more
deep spiritual experiences and
my grandma brought me books
and by the age of nine I'm
reading the Bhagavad Gita,
books of self realization,
books of discernment, all kind
of stuff like that opened the
path of spirituality, that
was just all complemented.
It was just amazing.
Rod Bland: That's quite a
a reading repertoire for
a nine year old to have.
can remember when I was
about, I think I was eight
actually, and my mum and dad
asked me what I wouldn't,
wanted to, for my birthday.
And there was this really
thick book that was called
Explaining the Unexplained.
And I said, that's,
I want that book.
And they didn't really
blink an eye to their
credit actually.
So it's good that you had
parents and grandparents
that didn't think that
was particularly weird.
That was all quite normal.
Ingrid Honkala: That was,
and like the beginning, so
like I said, these people
will be put in your path to
guide you and to help you.
So I just felt the guidance.
But the other thing Rod is
that maybe when I mentioned
it like this, it all makes
seem like easy, but it wasn't.
Because even though I
was having my grandma, my
mother, and I mentioned the
abilities, I mentioned all
these things, it all seemed
too good, but in reality...
All that also kind of be
really good turned into
a big burden because I
did not fit in the world.
I could not relate
with other children.
At school I was being bullied.
I, for my age, I didn't know
while other children are
playing with all different
other things, I'm in this
other world where I feel
I don't belong and I would
cry and I would look at the
sky and ask God and say to
God, What is the manual?
Why you brought me like this?
Why I cannot be
like anyone else?
And it was very difficult.
So in terms of trying
to belong and trying
to have a human
experience was very hard.
I could not ground.
It was very difficult.
So it's that part
where there's a lot of
good, but there's also
a lot of challenge.
And growing up with all these
made me, just feel very I
would just say disjointed
and separated from the world.
And to the point that
at the age of 12, I
told my grandmother
that I wanted to die.
I developed
existential depression.
I didn't want to be
here because I didn't
feel that I belonged.
And then my grandma, of
course, is so worried.
For my birthday, my 12th
birthday, look, imagine a
girl that I am nine years
old, going back a little
bit, and I'm doing my first
communion and my love for God,
while for other girls was the
dress, the party, the thing.
I was honestly, truly,
deeply in love with God.
So for me, it was like
the deafness of it for me
was like, now I can just
dissolve and disappear.
See, I, and I wanted, because
I was in a Catholic school,
I wanted to become a nun
because I thought that was
it, and then I go to the
priest at a school and I
started to talk to him and
mention things that they
didn't understand and said,
you cannot talk about fear
because fearing God is wrong.
God is love, how can
you fear the one that
loves you the most?
The priest at the time
didn't understand.
He was not there to listen
to this child and he's I,
so at that moment he was
mad at me, put me to pray.
Those are the
words of the devil.
So it was that place where
I even feel I don't even
belong to these people.
How can I become a nun?
This is not my path either.
So imagine I fell,
there's no place for me.
And my grandmother
was so worried.
I was 12, about to be 12.
For my birthday, she
brought me to this little
Zen Buddhist temple.
And it was unheard
in Colombia.
It was like this little place
in the middle of nowhere.
Because 98% of the population
at the time was Catholic.
And she, or 95, I don't
know, but a very high number.
And she brought me
there, and then...
When I entered this
place, I felt, oh, I felt
that sense of peace and
I was being welcomed.
And then my grandma
talked to the monk and he
taught me this breathing
meditation technique.
And it was there when
I just felt, oh, that
sense of home again.
And then at the end I told
him, I don't think, and
I was so worried, I don't
think I can come back
because my grandmother
is a very busy woman.
And it's when the monk turned
to me and he said, you never
need to come back because
you already have a temple.
And I said, what do you mean?
And he said to me,
you are the temple.
So wherever you are, you can
do this meditation technique.
Wherever you are, you
can become the master
of your own temple.
Oh, that was huge.
And now it's it's when I got
practice of even and it's when
I started to really feel the
importance and the love and
the respect for this temple.
But again, I was very
disjointed from the
other people, from the
school, from all the other
staff and my sisters.
Now is the time where we're
growing up having boyfriends
and parties and things and
they were trying to just
putting me the hair and the
makeup and the clothing.
And Ingrid, you
have to belong.
And I'm like, okay, I
didn't know what to do.
And it was very difficult.
It was hard.
So when I started college
was the time when I
said, Oh, I have to be
like everybody else.
My need to belong was
such Rod that I was like,
I just, I have to fit.
I have to fit.
If I didn't, I think I felt
I could not just stay here.
It was that, that really
deep feeling of I need
to belong to this world.
And it's when I had an
experience where it's
all in the book, but I
felt like dissolving with
the whole, going to that
space again of wholeness.
And then It's when I, the
beings of light in those days
asked me if I wanted to teach.
If I wanted to do this work of
teaching what this spiritual
path, and I said, no, I
don't want to teach anything.
I don't want to do this.
I want to be like
everybody else.
I just want to belong.
I was tired not to belong.
And then I, and the other
thing happened when I
came back from that very
profound experience,
I had two questions.
I said, when did we stop
being one with the whole,
and how is it possible to
forget who we truly are?
And it's when the beings
of light said, in 20
years you will understand.
Because at this
moment I wasn't ready.
My sense of wanting
to have this human
experience to belong was
greater than anything.
So I told them that I just
needed to do my own thing.
And that's the compassion
of the universe.
They said, okay.
And then they said for
now on, you will not see
us or hear us the way
you have been doing it.
And people ask me, how
could you do this to
the beings of light?
And I said, how
could you leave home?
When I give the analogy
of when you go to college,
you leave home and you
leave your parents behind.
How could you do that?
It's the same thing.
The parents, the beings of
light became like my parents.
So my analogy is I left
home, I went to college,
but your parents are
always one call away.
Same thing, it's not like I
deleted the beings of light
from my life, it's like that
close relationship I had of
being with them right there
needed to have some distance
and that was needed for me.
And I picked a career as a
scientist, I needed, I picked
at that moment marine biology.
It was a career of science.
It helped me ground and it was
what I needed at the moment.
And I started to pick friends
and the first boyfriend I
had were very grounded with
parties and life and things
that I needed to ground.
So that was important
at that moment.
And I think that's
what I needed.
And the other thing that
I said is that I give the
analogy of imagine that I was
in a room with the lights on.
And for 19 years, the
lights, although I had many
challenges related with
my inner being, it was a
different kind of challenges.
The moment I just imagine, I
put the example of a room like
this and the lights are on.
You can see the furniture
when the lights are on.
The moment I left home or I
told the beings of light, bye
bye, let me go do my life.
It's like the lights
in the room turned off.
And now the room is full of
furniture with no lights.
You start tripping
with everything.
So for the next few years
in my life, many challenges,
big challenges started
to happen in my life.
And a lot of sufferings
and it was a very hard and
difficult terrain that I
had to face after that.
Yeah.
So you'd foregone that
support that you'd had all
that time because you felt
like you just, you needed to
do your own thing and then
there was this period where
You had that experience that
you weren't expecting that
you would have, but that
I guess that was something
that needed to occur.
So at what point, it sounds
like there was some, obviously
there was some reconnection
with the beings of light.
Was that when you, because
I haven't got that far
in the book yet, so this
is all unknown me now.
Was that when you had your
next near death experience
or how did that come about?
No when I had my second
near death experience, it
was the time where I was
already going through, wow,
big challenges in my life.
I was you will go to the
part where I was almost
raped and murdered.
The part where I had
relationships that were very
difficult, even relationships
of almost just abuse, and
then I fall into after that
relationship, it was, things
were so hard in my life, and
I had a motorcycle accident.
It was like, that shook
my life at that moment.
It put a stop in that
moment in my life for
me to change direction.
And in that
motorcycle accident.
What happened was that I will
not tell the whole story.
It's too long.
It's in the book, but it's
I was fearful of motorbikes
because it was my first one.
And I was going in and up in
a mountain and I was, somebody
was sitting behind me.
We're driving the bike.
And then I don't know
what happened, but I just,
I guess fear of being,
going up a hill and I just
lost balance and we fell.
And then when I was going
to change gear, I just the
bike did a jump and I got
scared and then I didn't
even know what happened.
But next, all I see is
that I am standing in
the middle of the road.
And again, it's the
sense of no pain, no
fear, nothing wrong.
There was nothing, and I
will just already bring
it to clarity that this
experience is been so
important in my life later
on when people ask me what
happened when somebody,
when a person you love died
in a traumatic accident.
Or in a very bad
accident like that.
I can tell you with clarity
from the experiences of many
other near death experiences
that there is no pain, there
is no suffering, there is
no fear, there is not, none
of it, you just, again,
it's that sense of freedom
and home and openness and
it's just oh, there's There
was not emotions there.
That was even later is
when my mom was like,
how is it possible?
Because it was
just none of it.
And when I'm experiencing
and I am seeing light and
again I'm walking home is
when somebody picked me up
in the scene of the accident.
And now I can feel a body.
And it was so scary because
at that point, just to
that point, is when any
emotion came into play.
Fear.
Because I can feel
someone touching me but
I cannot see the person.
And then I started to touch my
face because I don't know why
I cannot see this person and
I realized that I was blind.
Because what happened is that
I did not have a helmet and
my head hit the ground so hard
that I had a head concussion.
And then I was picked,
brought to the hospital.
And only in the hospital,
I started to recover my
vision little by little.
It was a big head trauma.
And then, being at the
hospital with the doctor
later is that imagine
the fear of like blind.
No I mean like wow.
So, I'm there later
with my friend, who was,
nothing happened to him.
And we're with the doctor,
and he said to me that, I...
lost my vision the moment
I hit the ground because
I probably at that moment
my optic nerve just
disconnected, and I said,
it cannot be possible.
I said, it cannot be possible
because when I'm standing in
the middle of the road, and
I am seeing light, and I'm
feeling the sense of being
home, I'm doing extremely
well, I see the light.
And it's when my friend
said, Ingrid, you could
not have seen any light
because first, it happened
at night, and second, the
road where the accident
happened was pitch black.
It was not light.
And he said, and second,
you never stood up.
Different from my first near
death, I didn't have the
awareness that I left the
body like that, but I was like
I said, you never stood up.
So it's when I realized
I was seeing the light
with the eyes of the soul.
And this is another incredible
experience because it's
the proof that I was seeing
with my eyes, losing the
physical eyes because I
was blind at that moment.
Show me, look, you are seeing
with your spiritual eyes.
And from, now I knew because
from, since I was little,
seeing, hearing, beings of
light being and all this
taught me, oh, I am hearing
with my spiritual ears,
seeing with my spiritual eyes.
And that was all day.
Later on, understanding
these abilities and how to
work with all these, but
that's what happened with
that motorcycle accident.
And at that moment, I
was living in an island
and my life was there.
And this was the turning point
for me to leave the island
and go to move to Europe.
And I was in Europe
for a couple of years.
So this completely changed.
This made just a
turn in my life.
And that's when,
all that experiences
came in the future.
I came back to Colombia
after being in Europe,
moved to a war zone.
I was already a marine
scientist, marine
biologist, and I went to
work with the Colombian
Navy, moved to an area
that was pretty dangerous.
There has been an oil spill
and they hired me to do an
environmental work in this
area as the head of the
biology and ecology department
for the Colombian Navy.
But I was born in a country at
war, but it was very different
to live in the capital, in
the city that was protected
than go live in the jungle.
And now I am facing
the fears of the war.
And for three years, On my
life, I didn't know if I was
going to be alive next day.
And, one thing I have to
say after my two near death
experiences is that after
the first two is that I
lost the fear of death.
And I have proof of that
with other experiences I,
I talk about in the book,
but it was not fearing
death when I am in the war
zone, it's fearing what
they're going to do to you.
If you get kidnapped, if you
get, what they will do to
you hold you hostage rape
you you never see home again.
It's terrible.
So imagine being in this
stress for three years.
Then finally in, in all this
time I had the possibility
to meet my husband.
We fell in love, and then I
moved to the United States
and here I did my PhD, and
started to work as a scientist
and oceanographer for NASA
and then for the Navy.
And it was in this time of
my life that, although all
these incredible things were
happening for me, I had been
so disconnected now from
my inner so disconnected
from the beings of light,
so disconnected and I felt
through time for and you
reading the book because
people said, how can your
book is brutally honest.
How could you because you will
read more of oh my God, how
could you write about that?
I was like, I had to be
transparent because it was
the way to show how healing
can happen because at this
point in my life, for many
mistakes I made, I felt I
wasn't deserving of God.
I wasn't deserving of the
beings of light, I wasn't
deserving of spirituality.
And then again, life
brought me back to the path.
And when I am living here
in the United States, I
have the possibility to
go meet the Dalai Lama.
Wow.
I spent, yeah, and I had the
incredible opportunity to
go to India and spend one
week in Dharamsala, India,
receiving his teachings.
So that was like, again,
like the door and what
happened in the opening of
the door was that I felt,
this is contradicting, but
at the beginning I fell
into a deeper depression.
But it was not caused by
him, it was because the
moment I'm sitting next
to him holding his hand.
My mind is like in
10 million places.
What can I ask you?
What can I tell you?
Blah blah blah blah blah.
And it's when I
said, it's stop.
My consciousness is when I
realized I have lost my way.
I am so separated from...
The truth that I am,
and I fell into this
very deep depression.
I had become really busy.
I had become very distracted.
I had become also very
angry and all the things
stress, all the things that
we see in many people in
society, very divided and
complaining and all the stuff.
And then, I fell into very
deep depression, but at the
end that deep depression and
what we call the dark night
of the soul brought me to the
healing and brought me to the
deafness and brought me to
what I call a big awakening.
And from that time on,
depression ended and the book
started to happen and then
I've been working in Service.
How can I serve?
How can I serve?
That's my asking to God every
day since that big awakening
that I had 12 years ago
and it's just been amazing
and if you have a question
there or you want me I could
just go on in like my 30
a couple.
So the first one is, so
the beings of light, I'm
fascinated by your description
of them as a child.
Are they sort of part
of your everyday life
now like they were when
you were much younger?
Yes, once I had my my
awakening, what I call my
big awakening 12 years ago.
My connection with the beings
of light came back in full
again and because I thought
about committing suicide,
so I was very depressed and
what happened that day is
beautiful because it was
first, that realization of
give yourself one more day,
give yourself one more day.
Yeah.
second, it was that knowing of
if you kill yourself, nothing
is going to change in reality.
Yeah you leave this shell,
but you're not resolved.
And you have to be little
again and repeat a lot of
the little part of stuff.
And I'm like, Oh
God, no, yeah.
Let's see if I can solve it.
So it was all that started
to, clarity coming to my
head and I gave myself one
more, one more day and then
next day when I woke up, I
just received with clarity
the message, go look for
help, go look for help.
And like I'm saying to
you, I was a scientist.
I, at that point,
I was very busy.
I have become very successful.
I just thought I
don't need help.
But at this moment, I knew.
Yes, I do.
So this was the first
time that I really
went to look for help.
And then I look, I went to,
and I googled psychologists in
my area, and I wrote the name
on a paper, and then I wrote
the name on a paper, and then
that very day, I went to the
NASA cafeteria, met one of
the colleagues, and she said
to me that her daughter had
a very traumatic experience
and she was visiting this
doctor that was an amazing
doctor, and that was the same
doctor I had in my paper, in
Wow.
Rod Bland: my little paper.
And then that very day,
another person from another
completely different place
mentioned the same doctor.
I'm like, come on, this
cannot be a coincidence.
It's clear I'm
getting a message.
And then I went to
meet that doctor.
And this doctor is the one
that started to help me in
that process of reconnection.
And he told me to write
all my sufferings as a
cathartic kind of practice.
After I was seeing him for a
while, he happened to be the
right person, very spiritual.
And now we're seeing that
more and more in the people
that practice psychology.
And then he was very open.
And then I could tell him
anything and he wasn't
going to, Oh my God,
this lady lost her mind.
No, little by little
I realized he's good.
And then I can trust
him and feel safe.
And then when I wrote this
list of sufferings and he read
it, he's Whoa, he said, In
my 30 something, 37 years of
practice, I have never seen
anyone that has suffered this
much and is mentally stable.
He said, I'm impressed.
And I'm like, but
I'm like, what?
I never thought I was the
person that suffered the most.
So I was like, that
was a big shock.
And I, it's when this question
that I've been asking all
my life and that we humans,
we all ask all the time is,
came and I said, why me?
Why me?
And I'm crying.
I'm like, why me?
And it's when he answered
the most incredible thing.
He gave me the answer
that turned the light on.
The light back on in
the room and the answer
when I said why me?
He said why not?
Why not?
And then he started to say
look thanks to this you have
done this and thanks to this
you have done that and thanks
to this and that and I'm
like whoa and I started to
type all the notes all the
notes and I'm like wow and
I started to find purpose
behind all my experiences
and I went from the state of
feeling a victim to gratitude.
And I also realized that
he had been listening
and the power of healing
when people listen.
And I'm like, that was a
miracle that day itself.
Everything that happened
that day was this big miracle
because I would say a miracle
if I change in perception.
My whole perception about my
life and my life experience
changed and now I'm in the
place of gratitude to the
point I'm like, I wouldn't
change absolutely anything.
All my sufferings
are my growth.
All my traumas are my growth.
Now I can use all these
to even be more empathic,
more compassionate, more
kind, more open, more
giving, more at service
because I know how you feel.
She's like, Oh my gosh.
So this was amazing.
And then another
miracle happened.
This was the moment when
I'm sitting there and I'm
realizing the only thing
that is truth, the only
truth is this moment,
that I'm talking to this
doctor and nothing else.
Everything else is in
my head and I can do
whatever I want with this.
Imagine the sense
of empowerment.
I'm not a victim.
I'm not the puppet
of my reality.
I'm not the puppet
of my narrative.
I became present.
And then when you become
present, you become the
creator of your reality.
And then the other thing
that happened at that moment
is that I discovered the
true meaning of forgiveness.
And it was realizing
that, wow, in reality,
there's nothing to forgive.
Because I discovered
something.
That nothing ever
happened to me.
It happened for me.
So if absolutely everything
happened for me, then
what is to forgive?
If everything is being...
the path in my path.
So at that moment, it was
this place where I am like, I
could tell that nothing needs
to be forgiven or absolutely
everything was forgiven.
And I am just in gratitude.
So imagine when I walk
out of that office, right?
I was like walking in the
clouds then I am sitting
in my car and I'm driving
my car and that's when the
connection with the beings
of light came back full
on and I'm driving my car.
And it's when I
started to feel that.
And even beyond that, what
we call beings of light
at that moment, it was God
itself, the light itself,
I started to feel that
absolutely everything.
Every part of my being,
the windshield, the
wheel, the experience, the
light, everything was the
light of consciousness.
Everything was God.
There was nothing
that wasn't it.
And I even had
to stop the car.
I'm like, whoa, and I'm like,
oh, I'm just completely melted
in the presence of the divine.
And then at that moment, I
knew that 20 years had passed.
Remember, they said in 20
years you will understand, but
of course I wasn't counting.
I forgot the 20 years.
Wow, come on.
And then I'm in the car
and I know 20 years passed
because the two questions
that I have asked 20 years
before were answered.
And the questions were
how is it possible to
forget who we truly are?
And when did we
disconnected from source?
How is it possible?
When all this happened?
And the answer was
beautiful, the answer was
one never stopped being one.
One never left the source.
One just became distracted
and seemingly forgot.
So that the answer came
directly from the light
and the connection
full on came back.
And then, yeah, from that
moment on, I just started to
work again from the place of
How can I fully reconnect?
But of course I had a lot of
work to do, Rod, and I have
dedicated my life from then
to using tools for healing.
I was diagnosed with
post traumatic stress
disorder, which I now call
post traumatic growth.
And I've been using
all different tools and
ways to heal because
of being so light set.
Your inner child work starts.
Now, and that was beautiful
because I can use all these
tools to help other people.
So that's just been
this incredible path
of just growing and
growing and growing
evolving, peeling layers.
And from all these that
have happened, I think one
of the greatest, I think,
awareness and experiences
between all of these I
have had was last year.
Which experience itself,
of course is, I don't
wish anybody a near death
experience, and I don't want
anyone to think that having
a near death experience is
good, because it's very hard.
But last year I had my last
near death experience, and
it happened during a surgery.
But this was finally
what have opened the
door for me to truly...
Live life to the fullest.
And why?
Because for many years
with my two first near
death experiences, I
wanted to die because I
wanted to go back there.
You always was the sense
of like when I am going
home in reality, when I'm
going to go over there.
And in my last near
death experience, one
thing that happened
before the experience,
I was guided to
the right doctors.
Doctors that were
going to listen to me.
Because otherwise, I knew
beforehand that I was
going to have problems
with my blood pressure.
They listened to me.
They were monitoring
my blood pressure
throughout the surgery.
My blood pressure
dropped dramatically.
I went into hypothermia.
And when I'm in all this
experience of the body,
for the first time, from
the three experiences,
for the first time, I was
asked if I wanted to leave
or I wanted to come back.
Oh, so things were
getting a bit more
serious this time around.
Yeah.
Ingrid Honkala: Yes,
and usually people are
asking, it's not your time,
you have to come back.
In my case, it was amazing.
It was like, okay, you want to
stay or you want to go back?
And the moment they asked me
if I wanted to stay, it was
that sense of oh, home again.
Of course I want to stay.
This is like a, 10
million diamond resort.
I want to stay.
I want to stay.
But when they ask when
the light asked me, oh,
you want to go back?
I said, wait a minute,
because I have been
practicing awareness for so
long, being present, being
conscious at that moment,
I said wait a minute.
Is this a test?
And.
Of course, is that
also realization, no
one is testing me.
I'm testing myself.
Is this a test?
I said, because if God is
everything, and if God is
everywhere, and absolutely
everything is a manifestation
of God, so where is
here and where is there?
I said no, there is not here.
And there is not there.
So it was the ultimate knowing
is only presence, is only
consciousness, is only God.
Home, I'm at home already,
no matter where I am.
And then the only thing
I said in that moment,
look, I am in the state
of absolute detachment.
There's no judgment.
So when you're in this
place, it's that sense of
I'm not thinking my son,
my husband, my family.
If I leave them nothing,
remember I am home.
So it's the knowing
that everything is all
right, whatever is to
happen is all right.
And then my only answer at
that moment was, keep me where
I can serve God the most.
And it's when the attachment,
the thought about my husband,
my son, my family, my sisters,
all the stuff that I needed
for anchoring came back.
And now I was pulled
back on earth.
When now I have that
absolute knowing I am home.
And then from that point
on, I started to walk
my life of truly living.
And it's when I said it's not
about a near death experience,
it's none of that, it's
about a near life experience.
How can I use this human
experience with all these
contrasts, all these
challenges, all this
diversity, and all these
things to wake up, to be
more aware, to be to be
more human and divine.
It's let's use this
as an opportunity to
remember who I am.
And that's where I am
now, Rod, and it's just
been, been amazing.
Ingrid, this has been
such a privilege for
me to hear your story.
You are such a great
storyteller, and the
light just shines out
of you like nothing
I've experienced before.
So let's finish up by if
people wanna find more about
what you do and how you do it.
Where should they go?
They can go to my website.
I have a website,
IngridHonkala.com.
And yeah, and in this
moment, I do one on one
sessions with people.
I do talks, mentories,
I try to do retreats
when it's possible.
All the possible ways I can
communicate with people.
All these beautiful videos
and podcasts and yes, and in
my website they can find all
that information and also I
have the media pages and I
have a beautiful newsletter
that I share every Monday.
Yeah, just go to my website.
Okay, great.
And have you got any final
message that you'd like to
leave for people that might
be watching this video?
Yes, I would love
to share with people
that one of the ways,
because people ask
me, How can I connect
with beings of light?
I wish I could just
do what you do.
I said, the way is first,
learn to calm the mind.
And second, learn to
live in gratitude.
And people say, how can
I live in gratitude?
Life is so hard and I, it's
when the being of life said
to me, Ingrid, you don't
imagine how gr, how grateful
people would be if they
realize that for you to exist.
Trillions and trillions
and trillions of
subatomic particles
have to be in agreement.
They have to agree to be you.
You are a divine intention.
Remember that.
So now every time I see a
person even I see this pen, I
see a glass of water, I drink
this water with that sense of
wow, trillions and trillions
of subatomic particles agree
to be this pen, agree to be
this water for me to drink it.
And somebody that was
connected with the
creative thinking of the
universe thought about
this pen and these atoms
are responding to that.
Oh my God, this is the
way I live my life.
How can even the little,
little things, the flower,
the birds singing, the
smile in your child.
Learn to see God.
I said God is playing hide
and seek with us and our
mission is to find him.
So learn to live in gratitude.
Gratitude is the
highest vibrational
frequency there is.
So when you are in gratitude,
you will Gratitude are the
things that make you feel
great, the things you love.
So love is a synonym
of gratitude.
Being in that place of
love, gratitude, and you'll
find your joy, you'll
find your calmness, you'll
find a way to talk to the
universe, talk to God.
Gratitude.
I'll remember that.
That's a great message.
Ingrid, thanks so much for
your time today and thank you
for being a guest on my show.
Thank you so much
for inviting me.
I'm very grateful.
It's
Rod Bland: been my pleasure
you, Rod.