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In this episode of Resiliency The Podcast, Dr. Kelly Culver and Jenn Quader sit down with Dr. Tahereh Pazouki, computer scientist turned psychologist and the visionary founder of Magrid Learning Solution — an award-winning, language-free educational platform revolutionizing how children learn worldwide.
What began as hand-drawn lessons to help her younger brother keep up in school has evolved into a global mission to remove linguistic and cognitive barriers in early education. Dr. Pazouki shares how her purpose-driven journey through research, innovation, and entrepreneurship led to empowering children of all backgrounds — including those who are multilingual, neurodiverse, or have special education needs — to learn through understanding rather than words.
✨ In this episode:
-The personal story behind Magrid’s creation
-Why resilience is rooted in purpose
-How inclusive, language-free learning is changing education
-Lessons in joy, perseverance, and building impact from the ground up
💡 “Resiliency is deeply connected to purpose — when you believe in your purpose, it’s much easier to stay resilient.” — Dr. Tahereh Pazouki
Subscribe to Resiliency The Podcast for inspiring conversations with leaders, changemakers, and everyday people redefining resilience in today’s world.
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🌐 Magrid Learning Solution: https://magridlearning.com
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/magrid-learning-solution
**LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tahereh-pazouki-ph-d-9a5bb238/
Contact Jenn Quader:
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- Connect with Jenn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennquader/
- Jenn Quader’s Tedx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yKMeo3GW2k
- The Smart Agency Website: https://thesmartagency.com/
Contact Dr. Kelly Culver:
- Culver Group Website: https://new.culvergroup.ca/
- Dr. Kelly Culver’s Website: http://drkellyculver.com
- Connect with Kelly on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-culver/
- Dr. Kelly Culver’s Tedx Talk: https://youtu.be/0FNU95LH-f8?si=8uamb7cs7RiUWxRV
Chapter List
00:00 Introduction to Resiliency and Dr. Tahereh Pazouki
02:34 Defining Resiliency and Its Connection to Purpose
04:14 Personal Journey: From Family Inspiration to Global Impact
08:53 Building a Passionate Team and Company Culture
13:12 Adapting to Global Challenges in Education
13:39 The Importance of Listening and Co-Creation
16:57 Real Stories: Impacting Underserved Communities
20:29 Education as a Human Right
21:59 The Importance of Education as a Human Right
23:44 Understanding Neurodivergence in Education
28:50 Language-Free Learning: A New Approach
32:31 Self-Care in Advocacy and Leadership
38:47 Advice for Aspiring Change-Makers
44:51 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights
51:55 RTP Intro Slide.mp4
🎙 Hosted by: Dr. Kelly Culver & Jenn Quader
📍 Executive Producer: Asef Quader
🎧 Produced by: ALL Inc. & The Culver Group
© All rights reserved
DISCLAIMER: THE OPINIONS OR VIEWS EXPRESSED DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT OR REPRESENT THOSE OF THE HOSTS OR RESILIENCY THE PODCAST; SUCH VIEWS ARE MERELY OPINIONS EXPRESSED. THE INFORMATION IN THIS EPISODE IS FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY AND GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES. RESILIENCY THE PODCAST CANNOT GUARANTEE THE ACCURACY OF ANY STATEMENTS FROM GUESTS OR THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE INFORMATION.
#ResiliencyThePodcast #EducationInnovation #Resilience #PurposeDriven #EdTech #InclusiveLearning #womeninstem
What began as hand-drawn lessons to help her younger brother keep up in school has evolved into a global mission to remove linguistic and cognitive barriers in early education. Dr. Pazouki shares how her purpose-driven journey through research, innovation, and entrepreneurship led to empowering children of all backgrounds — including those who are multilingual, neurodiverse, or have special education needs — to learn through understanding rather than words.
✨ In this episode:
-The personal story behind Magrid’s creation
-Why resilience is rooted in purpose
-How inclusive, language-free learning is changing education
-Lessons in joy, perseverance, and building impact from the ground up
💡 “Resiliency is deeply connected to purpose — when you believe in your purpose, it’s much easier to stay resilient.” — Dr. Tahereh Pazouki
Subscribe to Resiliency The Podcast for inspiring conversations with leaders, changemakers, and everyday people redefining resilience in today’s world.
🔗 Resources & Links:
Check out the RTP shop! https://allcreates.myshopify.com/
📲 Follow the RTP! -
https://resiliencythepodcast.com
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61562977084612
https://www.instagram.com/resiliencythepodcast/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/resiliency-the-podcast
https://www.youtube.com/@UCWIsz69OfL3Sy7IVBs8rx4g
Connect with Dr. Tahereh Pazouki:
🌐 Magrid Learning Solution: https://magridlearning.com
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/magrid-learning-solution
**LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tahereh-pazouki-ph-d-9a5bb238/
Contact Jenn Quader:
- Jenn Quader’s Website: http://jennquader.com
- Connect with Jenn on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennquader/
- Jenn Quader’s Tedx Talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yKMeo3GW2k
- The Smart Agency Website: https://thesmartagency.com/
Contact Dr. Kelly Culver:
- Culver Group Website: https://new.culvergroup.ca/
- Dr. Kelly Culver’s Website: http://drkellyculver.com
- Connect with Kelly on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kelly-culver/
- Dr. Kelly Culver’s Tedx Talk: https://youtu.be/0FNU95LH-f8?si=8uamb7cs7RiUWxRV
Chapter List
00:00 Introduction to Resiliency and Dr. Tahereh Pazouki
02:34 Defining Resiliency and Its Connection to Purpose
04:14 Personal Journey: From Family Inspiration to Global Impact
08:53 Building a Passionate Team and Company Culture
13:12 Adapting to Global Challenges in Education
13:39 The Importance of Listening and Co-Creation
16:57 Real Stories: Impacting Underserved Communities
20:29 Education as a Human Right
21:59 The Importance of Education as a Human Right
23:44 Understanding Neurodivergence in Education
28:50 Language-Free Learning: A New Approach
32:31 Self-Care in Advocacy and Leadership
38:47 Advice for Aspiring Change-Makers
44:51 Rapid Fire Questions and Personal Insights
51:55 RTP Intro Slide.mp4
🎙 Hosted by: Dr. Kelly Culver & Jenn Quader
📍 Executive Producer: Asef Quader
🎧 Produced by: ALL Inc. & The Culver Group
© All rights reserved
DISCLAIMER: THE OPINIONS OR VIEWS EXPRESSED DO NOT NECESSARILY REFLECT OR REPRESENT THOSE OF THE HOSTS OR RESILIENCY THE PODCAST; SUCH VIEWS ARE MERELY OPINIONS EXPRESSED. THE INFORMATION IN THIS EPISODE IS FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY AND GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES. RESILIENCY THE PODCAST CANNOT GUARANTEE THE ACCURACY OF ANY STATEMENTS FROM GUESTS OR THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE INFORMATION.
#ResiliencyThePodcast #EducationInnovation #Resilience #PurposeDriven #EdTech #InclusiveLearning #womeninstem
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Host
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Asef Quader
Asef Quader is a writer, producer and director based in Orange County, California. A 20-year marketing and advertising expert, his passions surround bringing stories of resiliency to life… along with eating good food and drinking good wine.
What is Resiliency The Podcast?
A global conversation of leaders, investors, and everyday changemakers aimed at redefining resilience in today’s ever-evolving world.
Dr. Kelly Culver and Jenn Quader sit down with influential guests who inspire, educate, and motivate people to build resilience, overcome hardships, positively impact their communities, and ultimately, help the world at large.
Jenn Quader
Welcome to Resiliency, the podcast. Today's guest is a mover and a shaker in the global education sector. She's a computer scientist turned psychologist, entrepreneur, and also the visionary founder of Magrid Learning Solution, which is an award winning language free learning platform that is currently transforming early childhood education across the world.
Now, what started as hand-drawn lessons for her own younger brother grew into a lifelong passion for helping children to overcome barriers to learning. And I'll personally say for all of our listeners, I don't think this has ever been more important. There's so much talk about challenges and obstacles that our children are facing. And it's really a beautiful thing that today's guest...
brought and was really inspired by this. And she did some groundbreaking PhD research in psychology and early education, which brought her to Finding Magrid. Now today, Magrid Learning Solution has been implemented across Europe, Latin America, and beyond. And it gives children, including those who are multilingual, neurodiverse, or have special education needs, an inclusive way to build foundational cognitive and math skills without relying on language.
By removing these linguistic barriers, today's guest ensures that every child, regardless of their background, has an opportunity to learn and to thrive. So today's story is not just about innovation and education, it is about resilience in a huge way. It's about inclusion, and it's about believing that every child deserves the joy of learning. With that, please give a big resiliency to the podcast. Welcome to the brilliant, the trailblazer, Ms. Tahereh Pazuki, Dr. Tahereh Pazuki.
Welcome Dr. Pazuki.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (02:34.483)
Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And I feel like, wow, thanks for having me. was a very nice welcome. really appreciate your time and the podcast and very glad to be here with you and Kelly.
Dr Kelly Culver (02:54.622)
To Harry, we're thrilled that you're here and thrilled with the work that you've been doing. You know, it's near and dear to my heart having lived and worked in so many different countries around the world and working with, you know, making sure that society, the children more importantly are never left behind in what we do and they can achieve their best potential. So, Magrid is pretty special in this world for all of us.
I'd really like to know, we're curious, we'd to start our podcast with what does resiliency mean to you?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (03:27.551)
Thank you so much. For me, resiliency means the ability to stay grounded, to adopt and to move forward even when the circumstances change completely. And what I've learned is that resiliency is deeply connected to purpose. So when you're believing in the purpose, it's much easier to stay resilient.
is that, let's say, quiet determination that keeps you learning, evolving and creating impacts or that moving insights that help you, make you, let's say, give you energy every morning, creating impact despite all the challenges.
Jenn Quader (04:25.814)
I feel a lot of, there's a lot of beauty in what you just said. And one thing that really stuck out to me is that you tied it to purpose. I feel like that's a little new for us. I feel like we have guests on, you know, and we are on a consistent basis and we always ask them, what does resiliency mean? And we hear a lot about grounding and about bouncing back, bouncing forward, working through things. But I really like that you tied resilience to purpose.
because obviously the work you're doing is very purpose driven. I wonder if you could share with our readers a little bit about where your passion and your purpose came from. What was the personal experiences or moments that led you to say, hey, I'm gonna create a global platform that's gonna help children in countries all over the world to be able to learn better. What drove you personally to that?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (05:12.607)
you
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (05:16.287)
Yeah, you mentioned shortly in the intro, you said, so I have a younger brother that he has some physical, let's say health related issues. And when I was young, so I'm six years older than him. And when he just started going to school, when he was six years old, I was 12.
And because of his physical problem, he was very often out of school and in the hospital. And so he would miss the classroom, the sessions. And because of that, he was like not learning, not catching up with his peers and so on. So he started reading very late. And as a
As an older sister, I was feeling responsible to help him with his goals. I was also not a teacher or something, but just by making drawings, trying to help him understanding the concepts and ideas. And when I saw that he started to learn and he started to read, catching up with his friends and smile, this was...
the greatest joy for me that I was always in my life trying to have that joy back. the only way I could have that joy back was to repeat that experience. So later on, my brother, he went to
to university, he also studied computer science, he's a software engineer, he's part of our tech team and it was like if it happens with him, it can happen with all the other kids and we are all trying to have that joy for ourselves again and again every day.
Jenn Quader (07:30.178)
What a beautiful thing that there's an end to the story. You know what I mean? Like you were able to see this need in your younger brother and then he has a successful career as a computer scientist. What a joy that had to have given you. At what point in that journey did you then turn to creating Magrid? how, I guess I wanna know from a trajectory, how long did you work on it personally?
before you said, this is a business idea. Like this is something I need to take to others.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (08:04.127)
Yes, as you mentioned, had my master also in so my background is in computer science and also master in mission learning and also information retrieval and information management. And then I always wanted to like work in the area of
learning and education and psychology. So I did a PhD in psychology focusing on early childhood education. And during the course of my PhD, we were a research team that we were working on the challenges in early childhood education and coming up with different hypothetical solutions, testing.
different of these ideas and to see what actually works. among the different ideas we had was also the language-free inclusive training program. So we were between 2014 to 2020 doing the research project and as this was a research project we had to publish
the scientific journals, the findings of our studies. And once we first published the results, we started getting a lot of requests from almost all around the world, from South Africa to Latin America, Turkey, India, that they were telling us we are facing same challenges and how can we get access to this program. And this was the moment for me that, this can be more than a research project and I can
turn this to a product that people can actually benefit from that. So after I finished my PhD, as I had also no background in business development and so on, so I went to London Business School to do an entrepreneurship program. And then after that, I founded the company and started to...
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (10:20.733)
continue working on Likert to further implement it and start to develop this also internationally.
Dr Kelly Culver (10:30.652)
It's a lovely story. It's such a great journey. And as you say, you've connected resilience to purpose, but you've also connected resilience to passion. It's like your purpose and your passion. And you're able to do those things every day. There are people around the world that just don't ever have that opportunity or can't see it in front of them. And you get to get up in the morning and say, I'm doing these things. That really do give me joy.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (10:57.106)
That's true.
Dr Kelly Culver (10:57.95)
if we all could do things that make us feel joy, which is kind of where I'm at in my life these days. If it doesn't give me joy, I'm not doing it. That's so true, Jenny, I have no idea. I know. It is. But here's to Harry, a living embodiment of that with drive, with determination, staying on the journey, staying on track, and look at where you are now.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (11:08.115)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (11:08.942)
It is so wonderful. It's the best philosophy.
Dr Kelly Culver (11:24.518)
I I have a question for you about working around the world, but I'm not gonna get there yet. I wanna ask you a different one first, if that's okay with you. It's the, how you balance the ongoing relevance development connection that Margaret has with running the business. Just a tiny little, can you just talk to us a tiny little bit about that, and then I'm gonna ask you about life around the world.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (11:30.291)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (11:50.335)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (11:54.428)
because before I continue, sorry, the lighting now, but should I change my place?
Jenn Quader (12:00.963)
What do you think about light? Hold on. He's coming back on. Give him one second.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (12:06.879)
Okay.
Jenn Quader (12:10.764)
Yeah, she's asking if she should move.
Dr Kelly Culver (12:10.888)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (12:11.72)
Yes.
Jenn Quader (12:18.05)
the rest of the interview.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (12:18.813)
maybe until the sun goes down.
Jenn Quader (12:23.086)
So it'll be the rest of the interview probably.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (12:26.303)
Maybe I turn on the light at least.
Jenn Quader (12:29.323)
light would be good.
Jenn Quader (12:36.142)
you
Dr Kelly Culver (12:38.096)
It's lovely that Tahiri has that new window that the light can come in from. She, you know, just moving her office, it's so nice that she's got light on her face.
Jenn Quader (12:50.689)
It is beautiful.
Dr Kelly Culver (13:04.306)
Yeah, that's right.
Jenn Quader (13:04.503)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:05.182)
Yeah.
Is it any better? I need more like this or the other way.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:24.521)
Okay.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:32.969)
Mm.
Jenn Quader (13:40.226)
think the challenge is when she, Asaf, when she leans forward the way we've asked her to, she gets the sun in her eyes. When she leans back, she, so if she can go like that and lean a little back, yeah. That's great, that's perfect.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:43.723)
Thank
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:47.564)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (13:51.135)
So I guess now is okay, right? Okay, question.
Dr Kelly Culver (13:53.958)
Yeah, you're good. Yeah.
Jenn Quader (14:00.554)
Yeah!
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (14:10.493)
Okay, little more DLB. Okay.
Dr Kelly Culver (14:12.658)
Yeah, more of the audio.
Jenn Quader (14:12.876)
More the audio.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (14:15.551)
Thank you.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (14:22.665)
So, and yes.
you please repeat your question, Kelly? Thank you.
Dr Kelly Culver (14:30.514)
Yes, just a minute. I have to, I gotta think back.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (14:33.523)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (14:35.63)
I'm like so passion
Dr Kelly Culver (14:38.558)
yeah. okay, okay, okay, okay. Tahiri, you've talked to us about purpose and passion. And what I'm really interested in before I go into asking you about your work around the world is how do you balance the idea of you are an entrepreneur and you're running a business, you're a CEO of company. You have to run that and focus on that part. But yet you still have this passion on the continual development of what Magrid is.
and how that changes. So how do you balance those things?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (15:07.048)
Yes.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (15:11.391)
I think that's where the whole team and the culture comes in. So I founded the company as a solo founder and it was without business experience, without money. And it was very difficult to bring the team together and to get them to work on this without any...
and financial resources and so on. So the first people who joined Magrid, they had similar experiences. So they had also personal connection. It's a whole education or education for children, with special needs. And so this was then after not only my passion, but their passion and also their purpose as well.
And this, like, even unintentionally continued to repeat. So the first, let's say, four, five, six people we had, they all had personal connections. They all had either kids with special needs, they maybe themselves when they were younger, they had some sort of special education. And even our very first investor, who is Prince Louis of Luxembourg,
He is dyslexic and he has two kids with dyslexia. So this made it very, let's say, made it easier for us because this was not only my passion, but everyone's passion. And this was like the work for them was not the work just to get paid, but to really do something different and to really create impact because they wanted to do something different than just...
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (17:08.799)
Like working to get paid and so on. So I guess that was I was lucky to meet These people because then it's and in still today now we are like a team of 22 people and For all of us like as soon as we receive an email pictures from like actually people that they share Stories with us. This is like what he
all of us motivated and passionate about what we are doing. And I get even messages from our team members that they say, we are so happy that we are working here. I was like working in other companies, like very famous, very big, I was getting paid maybe twice as what I'm getting here. But I feel like I'm doing something important and I'm doing something big and being part of my team. Like it's a
like what I really love in my family and I'm happier definitely since I'm working here. And that's really, really what I am happy to hear. that is like, then also looking for new team members if it's like two people, are even one of them is having higher skills, but the other is more motivated and passionate about.
that is what we are doing, we definitely go for a second one to keep this spirit and to keep this culture. So it's no more my personal passion and purpose, but it's for the entire team. And this makes the whole world much easier.
Dr Kelly Culver (18:44.574)
You've built a collective, which is really, really nice. We talked about community. Resilience manifests itself through community, and you've been able to do that at your company. It's a collective and a community coalesced around this common purpose, which is fabulous. And so you've been able to grow pretty quickly. I'd like to move now into your international work. And so you're working right now across 14 countries, and often in underserved communities, those most left behind, right?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (19:02.217)
Thank you.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (19:11.401)
That's Absolutely.
Dr Kelly Culver (19:14.769)
look like when scaling across cultures and different education systems? Tell us a bit about that.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (19:21.855)
Yeah, every country has its own realities, like culturally infrastructural challenges and even different ways of seeing education. So it's really you cannot apply one model everywhere. So we really need to listen to adapt and somehow even co-create
solutions with our local partners. So for me, resilience in this context is about continuing to move forward, even when the progress looks different in each place. And it's really trying to stay patient and to learn from each context and keep believing
more and more in the long-term vision. That every child, regardless of their ability, their languages, their background, they definitely deserve equal learning opportunities and that quality education should not be a luxury, but it's a human right. And once this is like, no matter where you go, which community,
This is really, that's myself and the entire team be truly believing and it's not that hard to, let's say, to get and to complete and to accomplish.
Dr Kelly Culver (21:06.567)
and
Dr Kelly Culver (21:18.64)
and how has that changed since we started?
Dr Kelly Culver (21:25.136)
and what you want me to do.
Dr Kelly Culver (21:34.066)
Right.
Dr Kelly Culver (21:51.954)
Yeah, I'd have to log out and log back in. Do want me to do that or not?
Jenn Quader (22:05.922)
Tahiri, you're doing a beautiful job. You are, yeah. I know. You have a lot of good, beautiful things to say. obviously you're a leader and so you embody that. But I think what you're sharing has a lot of clarity in it. So thank you. I think it's really going very well. Of course.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (22:08.575)
Thank you so much.
Yeah, you're right.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (22:26.121)
Thank you so much!
Jenn Quader (22:31.192)
I had noticed, yeah, also if I had noticed Dr. Kelly's sound earlier, are we gonna have a challenge with do we need to re-record anything?
Jenn Quader (22:49.902)
Sure. Yeah. Well, actually when she went mute, it actually was better because we could hear a little more. But yeah, I was concerned about that.
Maybe just confirm that for her, because I could tell she, think she that it may have worried her that she, it hadn't been on correct that time. So yeah. All right, cool.
I'm trying to figure out where to change my... I have a question for you since we're waiting for Dr. Kelly to come back on, Asif. The question is, these names that are on the front of our thing, do they show up on the video? Okay, good, because I added my company name because I was doing an interview with someone else and I noticed it and I was like, no! I like, I'm not interviewing you on behalf of the smart agency, I'm interviewing you on behalf of Resiliency, the podcast.
Jenn Quader (23:48.142)
Gotcha. Okay, that's It's fine. I'll change it for next time. Hello, Dr. Kelly
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (23:52.063)
.
Dr Kelly Culver (23:53.713)
Yeah, hi, we're back and success and success. Well, Asaf, what you didn't factor in is that the video that we had recorded so far needed to successfully upload before I could log back on.
Jenn Quader (23:58.752)
Success!
Jenn Quader (24:10.09)
did you get it done? You did it. My Dr. Kelly. It's as though, it's like, it's, it's as though she was a computer scientist. You know what I mean? Like it's almost, I seem very, I love it. Can I, I, can I pull us back into the conversation? Would that be cool? Cause I think Tahiria just spoken and I think I can pull us back in. Is that cool, Asif? I love it. Yeah.
Dr Kelly Culver (24:11.217)
I did.
So as if we're not doing that again.
Dr Kelly Culver (24:22.269)
crazy forget it to Harry you're a deer all right
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (24:24.979)
Bye.
Dr Kelly Culver (24:30.503)
Please, you do it. You do it, you're in charge. You go to town, you're driving the bus now. I'm just gonna listen.
Jenn Quader (24:39.15)
But Kelly, you're gonna take us back into, we're gonna get into the math platform. I wanna understand more about the platform, but first I'm gonna just finish up on what Tahere just said. Okay, here we go. Tahere, dear Dr. Pazuki, I love what you just said. I think what I pull out of it is I heard that you said we have to listen, adapt, and co-create. And you're talking about how to build. And this is so interesting to me because,
Dr Kelly Culver (24:45.468)
Okay.
Okay.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (24:55.519)
.
Jenn Quader (25:08.97)
It ties to things we talk about a lot on Resiliency, the podcast, and in a personal level, in an organizational level, Dr. Kelly talks a lot about there's a trinity of actions that has to happen. You have to continually be working on surviving. Dr. Kelly, tell me the three again. I can never remember.
Dr Kelly Culver (25:24.541)
Survive, optimize, thrive.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (25:25.873)
Okay.
Jenn Quader (25:28.352)
Survive, optimize, thrive. And in a lot of ways, that's what you're doing to, when you are listening, adapting, and co-creating. Because it's in that environment you described where people are personally connected. I heard you say, and I'd like to point this out for all of our American listeners, because this one hit my ear. I heard you say people said, yeah, I'm paid a heck of a lot less here at this company, but I'm a heck of a lot happier because I'm doing this stuff that connects to my passion. So I want to ask, because we're going to get into the platform next.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (25:45.727)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (25:56.962)
But I think I want to just stay on this topic of like co-creation, adapting, You mentioned working across 14 countries that everyone has their own way. Is there maybe a little short story you could tell us? Feel free to protect all innocents. Do not use names. But tell us a story where somebody said, hey, you got to do this. And you guys had to jump to it and had to adapt. Can you tell us a little bit of what it's like in the Maggard learning world?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (26:24.991)
Yes, for sure. So many stories happening every day. Those that are closer to my heart when we are working between answered communities and reading more communities that they are living in remote areas and children that they
For instance, we are working with some foundations in Nepal and in Peru that both they are serving children that they are living in. They don't even go to school, so they bring them like a couple of days a week to some houses that they take care of them. They like give them a meal. Maybe that's the only meal they get during the day.
and they don't have a teacher but someone who's looking after children. And this time that they have with Maigri, is the only kind of education that they get. They were initially bringing them into this house to be safe, to get a meal. But now with Maigri, are also like this is what they like, they're their only source of education they have.
And it's very difficult because they have like internet connection. They don't have an internet connection. So it's like all of life. They even have electricity issues. So they bring like devices to electricity room once a week to like charge devices. And for many of these kids, it's the first time in their life that they see any smart device, even their parents, they don't have smartphone or something.
And that's like sometimes even like those caregivers, cannot communicate verbally with these kids because they speak some very, let's say, local languages. Or for instance, in Laos, they speak in Hmong and teachers, they speak in like Laos, like the official language, they cannot even communicate. And here, Maverick comes like very strongly as it's a language
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (28:51.743)
And once they are working with migrates, first of all, they understand that, okay, if they are not, like, they were not completing some activities or something, this is not due to the fact that the child is, let's say cognitively behind, but it's the matter of communication and it's about understanding of the question and the concepts. And then this...
help the, I heard that they are telling their parents that we want to come more to these centers because then we get to work with magrige and so they are coming more often to these centers that they are sleeping, they get the food and once I was watching one of these videos and I saw that they are really like having low energy and they are like
hired and it was like, is it like they don't like my grade or what's the thing? And they were like, no, it's just that they are hungry or they didn't get enough sleep. And that they still like to come to the center because that is like for them, I can also learn and I want to go to school and they don't want to like be in street and so on. And these are the moments and motivations for all of us that
And when looking into the data from their side, we see that like after a weeks of working with Madrid, their performance and the learning outcomes is actually not much of a different with like high level societies and children, for instance, living in Luxembourg to high school. So it's really about access to proper education and not about like
the intellectual differences. And this is, yeah, it's like everything.
Jenn Quader (30:47.95)
It is like everything. I'm so glad you told us that because honestly, the vision in my head, and again, I'm proud to be unsettled with having an American perspective. And so my vision is these kids in their houses with their parents, with all their smartphones, and they get on their little device. But no, this is something where these kids have no access. And I wanna just make a quick point before we again get into this, because you said earlier,
You said quality education is a human right. And it strikes me that in history, when
When human rights are challenged, so for example, in American slavery, in apartheid, the first thing that happens is that education is restricted. You cannot learn to read. You are not allowed to learn more. And I think it strikes me that you are solving a global purpose by bringing that to people. And then the other thing that strikes me in your personal journey, Tahereh, is you talked about earlier on, you had already done, you had a degree in computer science, you had,
a degree in psychology, but you said, I wanted to start a business and I didn't really know how. So I just went to Columbia Business School. so I think there is a, you walk your talk, you know what I mean? You believe in education and you are bringing it to people. I think I would like to ask Dr. Kelly a little bit, if you wouldn't mind commenting a little bit on this concept of education as a human right, how you've seen from your global perspective, please bring us into that a little bit.
Dr Kelly Culver (32:25.659)
It's a great question and I'm glad that we're sort of diving a bit deeper in this discussion because we're fortunate in America, in Canada, in Luxembourg, we take a particular view on education and we have expectations that it's like this everywhere. And it isn't. And you've heard me rant, Jen, at times about my experience in Africa and comparing it
to kids in the US or in Canada having role models as influencers. When I have kids who just want to go to school, they want to have a school to go to. They want to get there alive. They want to have a teacher that does more than walk and breathe. They want to get home alive.
They want to have parents. know, really basic things that we take for granted, we see in so many other places around the world. so education is the one thing in my tiny little view of the world. Education is the one thing that levels us.
Education is the thing that gives us opportunity. If you give someone education, he or she can fundamentally change his or her life and the life of their family. More than anything else.
And we take it for granted, but the concept of education as a human right is really, really pervasive in the developing world, because that's the only way they level themselves up to where we are as a developed world.
Dr Kelly Culver (34:11.293)
I'm glad you asked that. Thank you. Let me rant. I like that.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (34:13.469)
Thank you.
Jenn Quader (34:14.67)
Well, you have such wisdom on it and you've seen so much. mean, both of you, know, both of you have such a global perspective on this. And I think there's a tremendous amount of wisdom. And I think that this is what resiliency, the podcast is about. It's about widening our perspectives because we all only understand resilience the way that we are living it. But I think when you widen that perspective and I wonder if I can take the conversation back to you, Harry. And I want to ask.
We're talking about access to education, like literally kids who, as you said, don't have a school, they come a couple days a week. And then I wanna layer onto that this discussion of neurodivergence of kids who suffer from autism, of kids who suffer from anything across a spectrum of things. And can you talk a little bit about how this language free, I mean, that's something that, you know, I'm a verbal communicator at all things.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (35:11.713)
Thank you.
Jenn Quader (35:12.226)
this work? How does language free actually exist in a platform? And how does it help those kids not only who need the access, but who need specialized education in order to be able to understand and thrive?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (35:27.487)
Thank you so much. For me, this language briefing, it's given that I'm working on it for a long time. Several times I forget about how the importance of it. And when I'm about Maverick, I will forget the importance of that. But every time you're talking to clients and when you're asking them why they like Maverick and they talk about that,
And like really, the language breathing is something because I was thinking initially that it's helping the most children with migratory backgrounds because now we see more and more that the population of children with migratory backgrounds growing everywhere. In Europe, it's like, for instance, in Luxembourg, more than 70 % of children that they go to school.
they never heard the language of instruction before. So the population is like the native speakers are one third of population. And so I was thinking this is like mainly for them, but when we started working also with neurodivergent children, we saw that the need is bigger than that. So we have like children with hearing difficulties, with speech difficulty, language disorder.
like language processing disorder, children with dyslexia, in autism spectrum, non-verbal kids, and all in all they have only, let's say, one domain problem, which is language, and it turns to their general problem. So every other development is dependent on their language proficiency and language development, which is like, can be completely independent.
So here with language-free training, the idea is not that we ignore the language development or we say that communication or collaboration, verbal collaboration is not important, but we just say if the other development doesn't need to be dependent on their language development and they can separately grow and develop. So here...
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (37:43.584)
the language for you. What actually happens is like, let me first understand the concepts and then I put on that language. So we see that it's worth even better for native speakers or for kids that they don't even have in language related difficulties. Because if you, when you look at an exercise of let's say kindergarten exercise, so it's like
the shape that is different from the other shapes in a row. So this simple exercise that you just need to cross the shape that looks different is very verbally heavy. And if you just do two examples, the child would automatically continue doing it. But when you're making it dependent on language, it makes it very difficult. And so we try to like the...
this, let's say cognitive development, numeracy, math, independent of language development. But what is very interesting for us to see is that when we are training cognitive skills, numeracy and math, we are indirectly even training children's language proficiency, because it's somehow
It's like you are training the muscles that afterward is going to be used for language development. So the language free training is indirectly helping language development and learning new languages. So that's why it's also even beneficial for like all kids. doesn't matter if they are having any language related difficulties or not, but it makes it particularly interesting and beneficial for the other groups.
So for like kids, the analysis of the spectrum or the other population that I mentioned.
Dr Kelly Culver (39:43.869)
fascinating.
Jenn Quader (39:44.174)
I have so many thoughts. Dr. Kelly, please go and then I'll talk because I have so many thoughts.
Dr Kelly Culver (39:49.949)
No, I'm just going to say it's absolutely fascinating because we look at language and the development of language and I'm thinking back to speech pathology when we have the speech hands on. You just shifted the whole dynamic and I say this completely uneducated to Harry so forgive me. You take people and particularly kids who could be neurodiverse and you rewire how they think.
And then it's, so you've changed them for life and you've made things easier for them. That's my, you know, not deep dive view. So over to you, Jen.
Jenn Quader (40:34.858)
No, that is the deep dive. You're rewiring, which I think is exactly right. And that's what really hit me, what hit me, and I'll take it to that place that hit me, which is on a spiritual level. Okay, we talk about this a lot. And again, we say like, spirituality can mean anything to anyone. It can mean, you know, the universe, whatever. But on a level that is beyond what we can see and feel, what all humans are seeking is understanding. And once we have understanding,
then emotions that come with not understanding can calm, emotions like frustration, like anger. And so it's so beautiful to me. And when you talk about, we have this exercise and we just show it to them a couple of times and they learn to mimic, they are, again, the word co-creation comes up in my head. Because when you put a professor at the top of a class and they lecture at you, there's only one way for you to learn that.
but you are allowing these kids to co-create what it means and to develop an understanding that I can imagine, and again, I too am uneducated, I'm not an educator, but I can imagine that one of the probably the biggest barriers, if you're working with a child, is that they're frustrated. They don't understand it, so they don't wanna go forward. So you are building these connectors, as Dr. Kelly said, rewiring. I think it's absolutely brilliant. I would never have thought...
language free would do that. But then I want to bring it to something that just randomly hit my head. You know, I like to have the American perspective and I thought it was really interesting. So, you know, the whole world is up in arms because Bad Bunny is going to perform at the Super Bowl. All right. And and like everyone's all upset about it. And I think Bad Bunny is the bomb. Like he is such a performer. And he got on to Saturday Night Live. This was like the first one out. And he does his monologue. And toward the end, he does a whole piece in Spanish.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (42:09.631)
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Jenn Quader (42:24.904)
And he says, and if you didn't understand what I just said, you have four months to learn. And I think, what a beautiful place to take, know, here we have America, which is growing into bilingualism and, you know, let's be honest, fighting at every level. But if we get down to it, all we need is understanding. So that's my pop culture reference for what you just said to Harry, which is.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (42:31.588)
Ugh.
Jenn Quader (42:50.902)
You are building understanding and you're allowing me to understand Bad Bunny from the beginning. I just think it's fantastic.
Jenn Quader (43:03.456)
I take us crazy places.
Dr Kelly Culver (43:04.827)
I love it. You see? You didn't know this was going to happen when you agreed to be a guest on the podcast. We go all over the place and it's super fun. It's super fun. I love it.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (43:10.527)
I'm so sorry.
Easy.
Jenn Quader (43:17.358)
And we'll just have to approach Bad Bunny and see if he wants to be a spokesperson for Magrid Learning. We'll just have to check and just see. That seems like the next logical next step.
Dr Kelly Culver (43:22.077)
We're to leave that one with Jen. That's on her to-do list.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (43:25.407)
I'm
Jenn Quader (43:28.952)
Thank you. Thank you.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (43:30.303)
you
Dr Kelly Culver (43:33.206)
man, so to Harry, how do you take care of yourself when you are advocating for equity and innovation at a global level and you're changing the world and you see the change in these kids? What about you? How do you do you?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (43:38.761)
Yeah.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (43:48.512)
Very, very good question. several years, I was thinking that I should forget about myself and it's all about my great and it's all about. Let's say that the business or the purpose. Working so I can also maybe five at least five years I was not taking even a day off and I was like.
I of that. I don't need a day off and I can work every day and so on. But I learned to sustain the impact. need to first sustain myself first. And I learned that from investors because I was thinking that my investors would be so proud if I'm not taking a day off and they learned that I am...
working every day and that's what makes them happy. But I saw that no, are like taking telling me have to take care of yourself and they really mean it and they get angry if I'm not because they were like, you can only sustain the business and the impact if you sustain yourself first. So working globally in education can be very intense.
and emotionally, mentally. So I try to create like even small anchors, maybe calm in my daily routine, even if it's like just a quiet moment for myself or walking in the nature or like I try to keep my half an hour the first thing in the morning, like six to six thirty in the morning just for stretching because after that I won't find any other time. So it's like
eat your frogs very early in morning and then and more important than that, I learned that I don't need to do everything alone. So building a strong team and trusting people around me is something essential and that's helped a lot to take care of myself and they are also taking care of me which is like very beautiful. The most, let's say,
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (46:09.407)
not frustrating, I would say exhausting part of the work is taking so many decisions a day. like you are constantly taking decisions and you have to be fast and quick to like answer. And I try to, and it was like a case actually yesterday that one of our team members, he brought to me like this, he said, yeah, there is this conference in Mauritania and I think
we should go there and there is like big opportunity and I got to meet with this person and that person. But from my perspective, this was not like justifying 7, 8,000 euros to invest. And he told me, oh, please tell me by tomorrow morning because that's the vendor, the subscription ends. So if you want to go, has to be like before tomorrow. And I was really thinking, I didn't have enough data to
make a decision on that and I was like, okay, I don't know and then at the end I was like, you know what I told him in my mind this is like not I wouldn't have done it but And he just started working in my grid three months ago and I told him but I put it totally on you This is like the research that we have is for the whole team. So imagine you have seven eight thousand
euros and if you think it was doing that or if you want with that money doing something else, you make the decision and whatever is your decision. respect them. I support and then in the morning he told me I don't think it's a good idea and I can do better with that money. So it was like, I was just told he no, I don't think it's like good enough. He wouldn't be happy because he brought it to me. like, I think it's good.
He made the decision himself and he also like sent a very long message to me thanking me for that. That he felt like trusted, although I just started my work, but he told me that he would support whatever decision. And that's why I think like trusting in your team members that they would also try to better protect, they would see this as their own team, not just as a workplace.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (48:33.479)
And that I think is very essential, especially like nowadays is no more like the old style of leadership or having a company that you are just ruling staff, but it's really about working together, trusting together. And what I see is that they really try hard and they are the ones they are more worried very often than me like, oh, we have to do this, we have to do that. And I need to
very often calmed me down like we will take care of that don't worry it's okay and those are next and they are very often more excited than me or thinking and really worrying about the business so yeah I think that helped me also to to take care of myself when I see that I take care of them they take care of me.
Jenn Quader (49:25.58)
like a little mini masterclass in leadership. mean, truly, because I love how you described when you first start, you're like, everybody's watching, the investors are watching. I better work until my fingers fall off. And I think that when you talked about learning yourself to rest, it made me think of an earlier episode that we did, Dr. Kelly of Resiliency, the podcast with Alexis Jeffries, who talked about rest as resilience.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (49:38.995)
Yeah.
Dr Kelly Culver (49:48.238)
yes.
Jenn Quader (49:52.055)
The need to rest, the need, and I love that you say you take your time in the mornings to do your stretching. I think that's what you have to do. And then man, learning to trust a team. We can do whole episode on that, you know, cause that, yeah, we'll have you back for that. Exactly. But look, so we're about to get into the very end of this and to Harry, you've brought us so many amazing insights and really just the work you're doing is so world-changing and you know, both,
Dr Kelly Culver (50:02.141)
We'll have her back. We'll have her back on that one.
Jenn Quader (50:20.32)
across countries and inside the young minds of people who are learning. I have one last question before Dr. Kelly takes us into the fun part of rapid fire questions, but it's one that's close to my heart because in addition to being a, running a company that does public relations, I'm also an artist and I...
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (50:27.901)
Hehehehe
Jenn Quader (50:37.186)
I and I do music. And so this next question, it relates to me as an artist. It relates to you as a builder of Magrid learning. It relates to all anybody who's an innovator and a thought starter out there who sees something in their head, but can't quite get it out of their mouth. And so the question is, what advice do you have for someone who wants to do something and make social impact, but they just, the world doesn't understand it yet. What's your advice for those people?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (51:07.263)
My advice would be to stay rooted in the purpose. But more important than that, to let the evidence speak and to let the evidence guide you. So when I started, I was also hearing many those.
And I still view and many people that they were telling me all this doesn't work or you cannot do it or the whole thing. It doesn't work and so on. And I am a former researcher and I believe in research and results and I continue even like if something doesn't work for me, the finding is like this is the finding and you have to celebrate finding it's.
even if the findings is like, okay, this doesn't work. But it's a senior finding and it's worth even maybe publishing that because you tried something, you tested the hypothesis and you know now the results. So that's, guess you can look at everything is from that research perspective. But this is a research question. I'm going to test it and I'm going to see a finding whatever it is and really trusting
The results and keep showing the results and then letting the work and the results speak louder than like the explanations are trying to convince people but once you have the evidence then you don't need to like Try to convince people once you have that and then really surrounding yourself with people that they see what you say and what you
believing the purpose and and honestly, I think if you believe in what you are doing It means that you continue doing what you're doing if you say I believe in it so much but in six months time you are doing something else because now you believe in something else so much and then after that is something else but
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (53:19.775)
So then how could other people trust in that? So if you believe in it so much that you are working on that for three, four years, full time and not just as a side job as like your days and nights and as your first love, my father used to tell me that your love is
What what you go shower with what you sleep with this is like in your mind So when you love something is like you're thinking about it when you're showering when you're sleeping when you're cooking and then you know that this is your love and if If you have that for several years the other people they start to trust they come and they feel like they are missing something that they are like they are missing something out, so I don't think you need to
convince people if you believe in yourself and this means you continue doing it because that shows you believe you don't need to explain what you believe in it's just doing that for so many hours for so many days and for so many years and that's the speak itself and it's tell people that okay they are missing something else and then they are coming and joining and then I guess this patient
in leaving the yourself with patient and that's going to definitely pay back.
Dr Kelly Culver (54:50.809)
I know. So Jen, the patience. Number one. I know. It's an acquired skill. We're not born with it. It's an acquired skill. I haven't acquired it yet either, as you both know. So that's the first thing. The second thing is, Jen, publish the book, publish the poetry, and keep on singing. That's what Tahiri told you to do.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (54:55.679)
What?
Jenn Quader (54:57.198)
Wait, I'm, what? I think that's first on my list to develop, but I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (55:06.963)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (55:16.824)
It's-
Well, I can tell you that the books are publishing on November 11. You guys are the first to be told, November 11. Thank you so much. But I would also like to bring it back to our wonderful guest because what you just said is, I always like to say there's some t-shirt quotes that happen here at Resilience of the Podcast. And I think you just gave us one, which is, if you believe in it, others will too.
Dr Kelly Culver (55:22.908)
Yahoo!
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (55:24.275)
Wow, congratulations.
Jenn Quader (55:42.114)
That's what I heard. And I think that's what it's about. It's about that undying faith and passion in what we are doing, whether it is artistry, whether it is building learning for kids across the country, across the world, whether it is infusing some sanity into global politics and to building countries, which is what Dr. Kelly does. I think in general, what you've given to us today, and it's a little field of dreams, you know, if you build it, they will come.
Dr Kelly Culver (56:07.857)
They will come.
Jenn Quader (56:09.49)
they will come. And I think you are living proof of that, Dr. Pazuki, and I'm so grateful that you have been able to tell this story today, because I think there's a lot we can learn. There's a really rich layer of learning that can come from you, not only in what Margaret is doing and in knowing that there are kids out there that need this type of solution, but then in also examining ourselves and looking at where are those places we might be too quick to turn our light?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (56:15.231)
Thank
Jenn Quader (56:37.134)
I started to develop that, but it didn't go as I wanted. how can we stay focused on what we believe in? I think it's all beautiful. Over to you, Dr. Kelly, take us home.
Dr Kelly Culver (56:46.415)
Alright, okay, so rapid fire questions. Are you ready to Harry? Okay, so what's your favorite movie or TV show that makes you feel resilient?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (56:50.77)
Yeah, let's go.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (56:57.407)
When I was younger, my favorite animation was Mulan. I don't know if you've seen that. I used to watch it over and over and over again. It still makes me feel like gave me this courage to somehow redefine roles and to prove these strengths.
Dr Kelly Culver (57:05.852)
Yes.
Jenn Quader (57:07.18)
Yes.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (57:27.599)
Awesome, but I really liked it.
Dr Kelly Culver (57:29.529)
a good one. It's an old one, but it's a really good one and she's a her. She's a female. That's the great part too. I know, let's just say that. Let's just say it. What about, she's a, what about your favorite song? Do you have a song that you turn on and you just like it's your happy place?
Jenn Quader (57:37.186)
Yeah. She's her.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (57:46.544)
Yes, that's the Troy from Pink. That really gives me this strange, I feel like when I listen to that, it gives me the power.
Dr Kelly Culver (57:58.781)
Good. What's the last thing that made you really, really laugh out loud?
Jenn Quader (58:00.589)
Love it.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (58:07.391)
Generally speaking, watching the videos of kids or cats, this is like for me that the favorite videos are like my Instagram videos is like kids or cats. And I kind of watch that for every benefit like I don't know just the kids negotiating with their parents like trying to really intellectually.
doing something and that is like for me very like funny, but at the same time very like seeing that they are trying intellectually to get something what they want. It's just hilarious.
Dr Kelly Culver (58:52.515)
that question that you would like to leave for a future guest?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (58:59.131)
Do we know who's the future guest? Or just that could be...
Dr Kelly Culver (59:00.313)
No, no, just in general. What's a question? Any future guests?
Jenn Quader (59:04.533)
any future guests.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (59:08.319)
and it should be related to resiliency.
Jenn Quader (59:17.474)
or to your learning or anything you'd like.
Dr Kelly Culver (59:18.557)
or your passion.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (59:22.911)
Bye.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (59:29.457)
That's a good question. When no one is watching or asking, or you're trying to prove it to no one, what really keeps you going when no one is watching?
Dr Kelly Culver (59:49.841)
Yes, when no one is watching, what keeps you going? that's good.
Jenn Quader (59:53.47)
Love that question. That's an important, important question. Too many people don't ask that. That's a good one. Thank you. Now I have a question for you from a prior guest and it's a wide open question, a little short. So here is a past guest's question to you, dear Tahereh. What matters to you?
Dr Kelly Culver (59:58.489)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:00:17.119)
in like in regards to
Dr Kelly Culver (01:00:18.629)
in any way.
Jenn Quader (01:00:22.786)
That they left it wide open for us.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:00:26.331)
what matters to me.
I know the thing, I'm looking for the word for it.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:00:44.735)
I forgot the English word. When you have to do the right thing, even if it's not in your favor, what is the... What is... Or you have to say the right thing. Yeah, but the English word...
Jenn Quader (01:01:00.568)
Mmm.
What is an English word for that?
Dr Kelly Culver (01:01:04.91)
Well, you do the right thing, but not the easy thing.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:01:09.783)
Yes, but it's also what you are saying the right thing or doing the right thing, even if it's not like in your favor, but it's the right thing and it's the correct thing. What is the English word for that? There is this...
Jenn Quader (01:01:25.154)
I'm sad to, maybe there's not one. I'm just kidding.
Dr Kelly Culver (01:01:27.503)
I can't think of it. I can't think of it. get the...
Jenn Quader (01:01:32.43)
There is one.
Dr Kelly Culver (01:01:34.469)
I know what you mean, but I can't think of the word.
Jenn Quader (01:01:37.932)
Well, I know what you mean too, because what you're actually saying is kind of, okay, like the expression I've heard is like, cut off your nose to spite your face, right? And that's kind of a negative way of saying it. But I think what you're trying, tell me if I'm interpreting this right, Tahara, but what you're kind of saying is, hey, you have to do the right thing, even if it means you have to cut your nose off. Even if it means it's something that might hurt you or something that might be difficult for you, if it's the right thing, you do it no matter what. Is that kind of right?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:01:38.652)
Dr Kelly Culver (01:01:46.257)
Mm-hmm.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:02:05.917)
Yes, yes, yes, I think there is a word for it. Not necessarily ethical. Integrity. Yes.
Dr Kelly Culver (01:02:09.593)
Ethical?
Dr Kelly Culver (01:02:16.881)
There. Good,
Jenn Quader (01:02:20.44)
we go, that's it. Okay, so we do have an English word for integrity. Very good, good, good. Go English language. But what a really good example of how a language-free tool could really help us, guys, because that was a very cool thing. On that note, guys, I wanna say thank you. Dr. Tahereh Pazuki, what a brilliant, deep.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:02:23.123)
Yes. Exactly.
Dr Kelly Culver (01:02:34.205)
Ha
Jenn Quader (01:02:45.344)
interesting, just beautiful guests you've been. I want to ask if you would let our guests know where can they find you, where can they find Magrid Learning, where can they follow the stories of what's happening with your journey?
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:02:57.503)
Thank you so much for your very kind words. Yeah, it's a MaGrid website, it's MaGrid.education. And also on our social media, they can find MaGrid Learning Solutions. And yeah, myself also on LinkedIn, maybe with Sahar, they can find and the blog, can.
Jenn Quader (01:03:21.474)
Beautiful, I love it. And I will spell for our guests that MAGRID is M-A-G-R-I-D. So if you look up MAGRID.education, you will find MAGRID and you can look up our beautiful, wonderful guest, Dr. Tahereh Pazuki. Thank you. And ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being with us. We love, love, love talking resiliency. We love looking at all the different colors and flavors that it brings into our lives. If resiliency is a topic that is of interest to you, please subscribe, listen, like wherever you're listening to us, find us everywhere and continue to tune
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:03:49.791)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (01:03:51.438)
I am Jen Quater. You can find me online at jenjennqader on all of the socials. Also at my company, The Smart Agency. And then our magical, wonderful, illustrious, world traveling co-host, Dr. Kelly Culver. You can find her at theculvergroup.ca. That is .ca because in her roots, she is Canadian, even if she's a world traveler. And then you can also find her at Dr. Kelly Culver online on Instagram and on LinkedIn. So guys,
Dr Kelly Culver (01:04:04.167)
Yeah.
Jenn Quader (01:04:20.6)
Thank you, thank you again. Resiliency, the podcast, is a place where we come to help each other, to overcome challenges, to embrace change, and to really redefine resilience. It's been an honor to do that with you today, Tahereh. I wish all of our listeners a beautiful week ahead. Stay resilient, stay strong, and keep striving for understanding, and keep believing in it, because as long as you do, everybody else will. Thank you.
Dr. Tahereh Pazouki (01:04:34.592)
Thank you so much,