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In this deeply moving conversation, Jen Porter sits down with her dear friend and fellow leader, Mindy Honcoop—a seasoned people executive, founder of Agile in HR, and co-founder of Alt-HR Hive—whose work is transforming the way organizations care for their people.
Mindy’s journey is one of profound faith, resilience, and surrender. From experiencing God as Provider in childhood through seasons of lack, to navigating burnout, leadership pressure, and ultimately a breaking point that became a breakthrough, she shares what it truly means to release control and walk in daily dependence on God.
Together, Jen and Mindy explore the tension so many high-capacity women face: striving versus surrender, control versus trust, and performance versus identity. Mindy vulnerably reveals how God used loss, disruption, and even the unraveling of her career path as a form of provision—inviting her into deeper healing, alignment, and peace that surpasses understanding.
At the heart of Mindy’s leadership is a powerful yet often overlooked force: love. Through her work, she helps leaders and organizations rediscover connection, restore humanity in the workplace, and create environments where people are truly seen, valued, and empowered to thrive.
This episode is an invitation—to let go of striving, to trust God as your true Provider, and to step into a more surrendered, courageous, and aligned way of living and leading.
Key Themes:
- God as Provider in both abundance and breaking
- The power of surrender and letting go of control
- Healing from burnout, striving, and survival patterns
- Identity as a beloved daughter of God
- Leading with love, humanity, and relational wisdom
- Creating healthy, thriving workplace cultures
- Trusting God’s provision in uncertainty and transition
Connect with Mindy at https://www.mindyhoncoop.com/
Connect with Jen and the Lioness Community here: https://www.jenportercoach.com/
Connect with Jen and the Lioness Community here: https://www.jenportercoach.com/
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Welcome to Lioness Women, a space for faith-fueled women to connect with their purpose and amplify their voices. These Lioness Conversations highlight purpose-driven women who share how their faith in Christ shapes their leadership, courage, and calling. 🦁
Hosted by Jen Porter, leadership and empowerment coach, this podcast shines a light on women who are leading with wisdom, strength, and grace — in boardrooms, businesses, ministries, and movements around the world.
Through raw, inspiring conversations, we explore how women of faith are building legacies, overcoming fear, and transforming their industries with bold vision and unshakable belief. If you’re ready to rise higher, lead with purpose, and stay rooted in Christ — this is your community.
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Jen Porter (00:00)
Hey friends, welcome to the show, Lioness Women Rooted in Christ. I'm your host, Jen Porter, leadership and empowerment coach for ambitious and heart-centered women who want to put God at the center of everything that we do. You can find out more about my work and the Lioness community at jenportercoach.com. Today, I have very special guest, someone who is a dear, dear friend to me, Mindy Honcoop
Mindy is a follower of Jesus and seasoned people leader with over two decades of experience guiding organizations through complex high-stakes seasons. As the founder of Agile in HR and co-founder of Alt-HR Hive, Mindy equips leaders to navigate the human side of work with clarity, wisdom, and grace. Her journey is marked by a deep daily surrender to God,
learning to lead not from control, but from trust, obedience, and faith. Mindy, welcome to the show.
Mindy Honcoop (01:08)
Such a joy to be here, Jen. Thank you so much.
Jen Porter (01:11)
So I just have to give people a little background of how deep our friendship goes. So Mindy, you and I met at Microsoft. We were both on the global recruiting team. We both got laid off on the same day. And we, it deepened our friendship because we went through that together and we supported and encouraged each other. And that was so long ago. And look what God has done in our lives and our friendship. I mean, we are...
Mindy Honcoop (01:16)
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Hmm.
Jen Porter (01:41)
prayer partners. are supporters where we cheer each other on. ⁓ We participate in each other's lives and in each other's work and each other's leadership and each other's launches of new things. And it's just, you know, I think I've said this about you before, like everybody should have a Mindy in their life. You're just such a gift. So thank you for our friendship.
Mindy Honcoop (01:42)
Hmm.
Mm-hmm.
you
Thank you. Whenever I think about our friendship, it's eternal. It's such a gift from God. It's a stained glass window.
Jen Porter (02:29)
We're blessed, we're blessed to have each other.
Mindy Honcoop (02:29)
Yeah, I just love you. You're
making me cry already.
Jen Porter (02:33)
I know me
too. mean, it's like it just, it just is. It doesn't even bother me. I am a person who is emotional. ⁓ So when we first started talking about doing an episode together, we focused on sharing ⁓ a particular characteristic of God. And I asked you,
Mindy Honcoop (02:41)
Yeah. ⁓
Jen Porter (02:59)
What is the characteristic of God that stands out to you the most? Provider, provider. And you know what I love about this concept, knowing you as well as I know, it's something you experience and yet something that you want more of to know as provider, right? It's like the journey that we're both on where we know Him as such and yet
Mindy Honcoop (03:03)
provider.
Hmm
Yeah.
Jen Porter (03:27)
There's so much more that he has for us to understand about his being provider. What is, why did that stand out to you as that character of God?
Mindy Honcoop (03:33)
Mm-hmm.
think that's how I first really, early in my faith as a child, I just really saw God as provider. Just in the lack of my father, my earthly father, who just couldn't be there for me in the way that an earthly father should be. And how he had to make a I believe, a difficult decision for him.
to leave and unfortunately that didn't happen in the best way. And five-year-old Mindy had been groped in a very strong Christian family and church and community and that was providing and it was God provider through community, a community of care. And so that's just my earliest feeling in my body and my heart and mind that
no matter what God was going to provide.
Jen Porter (04:41)
How did you know it was God and not just other people?
Mindy Honcoop (04:46)
Yeah, I think it's because of all the incredible humans that God put in my life and the church community and my elders that really always point, and my mom, my mom always pointing back to God.
Jen Porter (05:04)
So as a child, you were quite aware of the lack and the needs that you and your family had. And you saw the provision that probably felt like little miracles.
Mindy Honcoop (05:08)
Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Oh,
yeah, so often, so often. I mean, there would be times where we would wonder, like, where's our food going to come from? And back then, our church only for a short amount of time had a food bank. They stopped it soon after, but then we were in a place where we were OK. But at the time when we needed food, our church had a food bank. Yeah, it was there when we needed it.
Jen Porter (05:40)
It was there. It was there when you needed it.
Wow. And let's jump forward to your leadership now. ⁓ How do you experience God as provider in your leadership, in your work?
Mindy Honcoop (05:52)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
so much more now than I did as a leader several years ago because I am such a doer and God has gifted me to be able to be very capable and get things done and he's made me a really passionate person and I just get so overjoyed when I get a new idea and I just, know, and it's not that I'm not in prayer or, you know, not like in the word but
Jen Porter (06:08)
Okay.
Mindy Honcoop (06:33)
I definitely was less in the Word. My level of daily obedience was less. It was more Mindy in control. I didn't realize it at the time, but it was more Mindy having the driving wheel. And then I would get ahead of God and I wouldn't be following God and that limited the provision. And it also limited my view of the provision.
Jen Porter (06:59)
How so?
Mindy Honcoop (07:02)
because I had decided to pave a way ahead. Of course, and I truly believe like in Psalms where it says, God will never leave us. He walks alongside still waters and He will always nurture and care for us. But if we are going ahead of Him, it's going to be up to a point where it gets our striving.
Like it's really striving and it's really trying to make things work. And then crying out to God, like, where are you? Like, I don't feel you. Like I have felt you in the past. Like, where are you? And this is feeling really messy. And it gets to a point where you just have nothing left in the tank. And yet God's still like providing like the, but it's.
But it's minimal because he's like, I want you to come back to me. He's like, it's usually a conversation. I need you to come back. I think the biggest, the biggest wake up call for me was at the end of my last ⁓ chief people officer job in house. And I just kept hitting my head against a wall. That's how it felt until I remember coming home, driving home one night, yelling. I was so angry with God. And I said, I can't keep doing this.
And it's me, I can't keep doing this. I know that I'm falling apart. My body was physically sick. I can't keep doing this anymore. And I need you. Where are you? And I had to use a few swear words. I was angry. And then kind of everything after that just kind of fell apart. And thank God it did. Praise the Lord that it did.
Jen Porter (08:46)
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (08:57)
and then we got to do some really tough work together.
Jen Porter (08:59)
Why do you say that,
So here's what I'm imagining is that so many people can relate to what you just said. We get to the end of ourselves, we're completely burned out, we can't keep doing what we're doing because it's just crazy making and crying out in anger and frustration and depletion and exhaustion. But then you said something interesting, which was it all fell apart. Praise God.
Mindy Honcoop (09:02)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I think sometimes when we're not exactly in the path that he has for us, the fullness for us, he, yeah, was, yeah, was like the, was, cause I've had so many dropout points, cause I've had so many, I'm stubborn and I will get ahead of him and it'll be up to a point. And I just kept thinking, when you have that broken moment, praise the Lord that,
Jen Porter (09:28)
What did you mean by that?
Mmm.
Hahaha
Mindy Honcoop (09:57)
It is broken, it's not so completely broken that there's no going back. It's not that I have fallen off the cliff and died alone. It's just I'm broken. now I've got like, now God gets to come alongside of me and now I realize my need for Him. And now I'm like, okay, let's heal here. Let's piece this back together. Where did I, you and I get out of track?
Jen Porter (10:27)
Can I share something that's coming up for me as I hear you talk? ⁓ I don't think I've thought of this in this particular way, but it reminds me a lot of when I was fighting for my first marriage because I was ⁓ doing everything that I could possibly do in alignment with God. I mean, I was praying every day, but I was wearing myself out trying to hold it together and
Mindy Honcoop (10:29)
the
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Jen Porter (10:56)
I felt the burden of that like I was responsible for the salvation of this marriage, know, holding it together. And it wasn't until I let go and surrendered the relationship that God stepped in in a new way. He was always there. But once I took my grip and loosened my hands,
Mindy Honcoop (11:04)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jen Porter (11:28)
on holding it together. was so was terrified it would fall apart. I did that and it did fall apart. It did. But I found a level of peace because I finally surrendered. And so I'm curious what what what was surrender for you in that moment when you were driving home? Did you get to a point where you decided to let go?
Mindy Honcoop (11:40)
Hmm.
I don't think immediately like right away, but I think in the days that led up to my job ending at ⁓ the organization, it wasn't a complete surprise and it felt like it was so horrible because there's still an aspect of where your humaneness feels like I failed, I couldn't do this.
but there's also such a piece that this is done. This is done and I know it's not gonna be easy, but I am going to have time to heal and learn and in the picking up of the brokenness, God and I are going to get back in alignment, which meant me letting go, like you said, letting go and
asking for the first time and maybe for the first time, and I was such a planner. Like, I mean, growing up like without a father and just in the, I needed to have it all. I felt like I had to have it all together, even though I believed in God's provider for sure. Like God always provided. I had the strong, deep sense of, know, seek and you shall find, you know, Philippians four, verse six and seven has always been a life verse for me. I always had a,
Even though I believed in God provider, I had a ton of worry and anxiety that I would constantly be having to surrender to the Lord. Oh, always. Philippians 4 verses 6 and 7. this though, think was, yeah, Philippians 4 verse 6 and 7 is this beautiful verse that says, not be anxious about anything, anything, but in everything by prayer and petition with thanksgiving, with thanksgiving, which is we often forget about.
Jen Porter (13:36)
What can you say, sure what that is?
Mindy Honcoop (13:52)
be thankful, be satisfied, be knowing that even in brokenness that you are in me and I am in you, with thanksgiving, present all your requests to God and the peace of God, which transcends all understanding will guard your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. And I don't think I ever truly understood that peace that surpasses all understanding until after that instant when I finally,
I finally said, I can't do this anymore, God. I'm done. I've had these ups and downs and I'm done. What do you have for me? Done is my planner. Done. I truly now want to step into what you have asked me in the Bible over and over again. What does it look like to just wake up? Because I'm not waking myself up. You're waking me up. And you give me breath at this moment. You're at work doing great work.
and you have gifted me uniquely. And I want to see how you're at work so I can join you in what you have for me today. Because tomorrow I may not be here, but today I want to be where you have your strength and the manna and the full armor of God and the Holy Spirit and Jesus and you and let's go do this. And that for me.
Jen Porter (15:14)
So
two things. So the scripture you just shared is so interesting because when I was preparing for today and the scriptures, one that I brought was Philippians 4 19. So after that, it's a provision statement. It says, my God will supply all my needs according to the glorious riches in Christ Jesus.
Mindy Honcoop (15:27)
Hmm. Yeah.
Yeah,
but we have to do like the full surrender and not pick it back up. That's the thing. I would keep picking it back up. Like I would keep wanting to pick it back up because it was that control freak. was the no one's ever. I shouldn't say that. I people listening to this, I don't I'm speaking generalizations because I have a lot of people that have been there for me in my life that have helped me. Like I would not be where I am today without a community. But so often that young
Jen Porter (15:44)
Yes.
there was a big
gap.
Mindy Honcoop (16:07)
Yeah, there was just as a young Mindy, it just felt like I needed to do a lot.
Jen Porter (16:13)
That's survival, Mindy. It was survival.
Mindy Honcoop (16:14)
Yeah, yeah. And
it built a lot of then survival mechanisms that I had to really dig deep. that's the work that I really started. And I have been doing that over my lifespan. But the final moment after that last job, it was a complete level of brokenness that I haven't gotten to. Which is why it's so beautiful because I couldn't do it anymore.
Like I was physically so done, I had nothing left in me. Like it had to be God. And I didn't want to put it, I didn't want to do it the same way anymore. And I wanted it to look different. And I wanted, I wanted that piece that surpasses all understanding.
Jen Porter (17:02)
You know what I'm noticing the second thing that came up?
It's interesting to think about how God's provision could have been stripping you of the thing, right? I think we look at brokenness or things falling apart as a crisis. But what if we looked at it as God's provision, a form of God's provision?
Mindy Honcoop (17:14)
Yes, yes, yes.
Exactly, exactly. That's exactly like that's when I say it was like a gift. Yeah, it was like.
Jen Porter (17:39)
Yeah. Listen,
I mean, let's be clear. It does not feel like a gift in the moment. And even don't you, wouldn't you say it takes sometimes years to heal from some of the daggers that have been thrown our way? Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (17:42)
No!
my goodness. I I'm still healing. Still healing. we're, you
know, I think that's what also got me to like dig into the Bible more and have a more of a daily obedience and discipline. Not that it's like just in good works, right? I wouldn't want people listening to this to like, know, like be like a religious, you know, this religious practice of just a to-do list. But it's because coming out of the deep desire.
to seek to understand what is it that he has called me to today and how do I know that that is his voice and not just once again Mindy's will. And I knew that I had to be stronger in scripture to be able to discern that.
Jen Porter (18:36)
Say more about that, how do you use scripture to support your walk and your obedience in your day?
Mindy Honcoop (18:45)
Yeah,
it's, and it's, I'm still learning how to do this more. I didn't grow up in a family that we all got our Bibles out together and read together. And so, and also just finding something that feels like it's, cause I love a to-do list too. And I didn't want it, I'm still like trying to make this relationship. I want it to be relational, like this deep desire that that it to,
Jen Porter (18:50)
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (19:13)
to understand who my father is as provider. And that's different, right? Because I am just learning to understand what it is to be he as my provider father, as the beloved. And so for me, it's like being in a scripture, and it's our living breath word of the Holy Spirit. And really asking God, if I'm reading it, is in a conversation.
And sometimes it's really powerful to think, okay, so what's happening here? And so what's happening in this verse? What might he have for me in this? And how might he be asking me to step into the scripture today? Like, what does that look like today? Like, even if it's, okay, what is the one thing, God, that you are having me
even just pray into like a breath prayer around around this.
Jen Porter (20:17)
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (20:22)
And I know that sounds crazy because so much our world says and so much the world says, and I used to be such a planner. They used to say, and it's not, and see, I'll even now still say it's not to sound like I, and just like not having a plan that I'm just like, but I'm also saying I do have a, but I don't, I want it to be God's vision. And I used to have the month plan, the five year plan, the goals.
Jen Porter (20:22)
You know.
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (20:51)
But then
I'm also, I've so like just stripped myself of all that and like starting out, I'm like until I can be faithful in just today, until I can truly feel like I've got today, which God has called us in the Bible to today, well can then we like sense where I don't, cause I don't want to get ahead of God. That arc of the covenant in the old Testament and how they always followed the arc. They were never ahead of the arc. They were always following.
And that was just so powerful to me. don't know, I've read that verse so many, those verses, they followed the arc part of the seas, the waters multiple times. And I'm just like, my goodness. Okay, how do I stay behind the arc, behind you?
Jen Porter (21:35)
You know what?
What I call that is a surrendered plan.
Mindy Honcoop (21:39)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Porter (21:40)
We have our plans, but is it malleable for God or is it underneath the authority of God so that He can move us and nudge us to do things that we weren't planning on, maybe a complete interruption of our day, and discerning a distraction from a night from God, very different things.
Mindy Honcoop (21:45)
Yes. Yes. Yes, exactly.
Yeah.
Right, right? Yeah. Right.
Because, I mean, when I started to do that, when I let go of the yearly plan, the weekly plan, like there's some days I'm like, oh God, like my calendar is nuts. Like, I don't even know how I'm going to make it throughout the day. You need, you need, you're my way maker. You've got this. You own my calendar. Like clear away. Now he cancels meetings.
Jen Porter (22:14)
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (22:31)
It's unlike, it's miraculous.
Jen Porter (22:34)
I am so grateful to God when that happens. When things, you know, shift in my day to create the space that I actually do need. It's incredible.
Mindy Honcoop (22:44)
Yeah.
Yeah, to do his work.
Jen Porter (22:48)
Yeah. So I want I want people to understand what it is the work that you are doing right now because what you've done is you've founded two organizations and you are leading in such profound ways now and
Mindy Honcoop (23:00)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jen Porter (23:08)
I'm going to, there's something that you, so when you shared the form with me, right, it gives me insights and there's something I'm going to share about Agile and HR when you're done. But I want you to share in your inwards. What is Agile and HR and tell us about Alt-HR-Hive as well.
Mindy Honcoop (23:13)
Yeah.
Mmm.
Yeah, so Agilent HR really started out as something that God has always put on my heart to make a positive impact. I've always had a desire to help others and it's just always been a calling that he's put on my heart. you know, so starting out in human resources, it came through the background of social work.
And I just always was really passionate and curious about how unhealthy workplaces really impact how we show up in community and society. And if we could change the narrative of creating healthy workplaces, how much more healthier are the adults that are able to go back home, to be with their families, to step into their communities and then greater society. And so,
As I left my last Chief People Officer job and as I was healing and really seeking the Lord and what is next, He really called me to see, especially in small medium businesses, the need for human-centered, focused healing in the workplace. I don't often talk about it at this way because I think people are like, she sounds a little fluffy and cuckoo for cocoa.
puffs, but ⁓ it's truly about how do we, know, I think strategically people are how work gets done in organizations and we can, we can get work done in organizations and still care about people and even better, like when we care about the human and when we care about the community and the ecosystem of our workplace. And then we think strategically about how do we not manipulate humans.
Jen Porter (24:50)
you
Mindy Honcoop (25:18)
to get things done, but truly care and drive meaningful connection and alignment and conversations and create healthy teams and the spaces to then align how we work and how we're getting the work done within the processes with the technology. I those organizations that truly flow through that often now are bootstrapped because a lot of unhealthy growth has occurred up till now.
for many different reasons. ⁓ And we really take thoughtfulness and intention into our business. Amazing things do happen.
Jen Porter (25:48)
Yeah.
I want to share something that you wrote and I just think it's so beautifully said. You said Agile and HR is not a flashy brand, not a big machine, but it's a steady relational kind of work where I can sit with leaders in the middle of real complexity and help them get unstuck without losing their humanity.
Mindy Honcoop (26:22)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jen Porter (26:26)
So beautifully said. The other, I want to talk about the foundational way that you show up in love. And that's not really a word we use a lot in leadership or in corporate situations, but it's so essential to what you do. It is how you show up. When you talk about love,
Mindy Honcoop (26:26)
Yeah. ⁓ thank you, Jen.
Hmm.
you
And I think love is also so interplayed with joy for me, love and joy. it comes from, mean, it's mean, nothing good, everything good is from God. And that love and joy is from who I am as a Christ image bearer. And that love is...
is connection to others. That's a love, that's a fuel of how and why I will come into the work to seek to understand, to be curious about where is this organization at? Where are the humans in this organization? Where may they not be aligned? Where, you know, being able to observe and see where others may not be. Because if we come from a place of care and love,
we're able to see what's not being said. We're able to see how people might be holding back. And it's not, when you love someone, it's not about you having the right answer. It's not about me coming in and being a savior, because I want them to shine. I want them to be able to realize who they were uniquely created to be. I want them to realize
who God created them to be, that they may be aware and often in today's work, the individuals that I work with are in such a less than place with less than mindset. And there's so much brokenness and disconnection even with our own self. And that just, it's like we have so many hearts crying out for healing, Jen, to be seen. There's so many invisible people and that's where we need love.
to be able to help heal and to extend that love to someone who maybe hasn't felt love. So that the...
Jen Porter (28:57)
How do you bring that love into your work with Agile and HR and all HR hive?
Mindy Honcoop (29:02)
And I don't get to talk about it much because it's like, you know, people are going to listen to this and be like, wow, Mindy is really going crazy. How do I, first of all, I come in from a place of I don't know better than you.
let's come in together and let's walk alongside each other. Let's partner. I'm gonna ask some powerful questions, because I wanna seek to understand. I wanna understand what's going on here. What's underlying this? It's not to place that person into a less than place, it's to bring them out of it. It's to often help them be able to find.
a foundation on which they can stand for the first time and feel like, can do this. I am worthy to do this. I am worthy to have a voice and be listened to. And I actually know more about what's going on here than I realize. And it's not about taking that away from them. It's about them helping them see that. And that's the love for me. And I think that through that work, then it's about empowering them, equipping them.
And I often love to think about it as in the movie, we growing up as kids in Disney, oh my goodness, now I'm gonna forget the name of it, it was the nanny, it was the Disney movie. Mary Poppins, yes, Mary Poppins had so much love. But yet the movie, even though it was named about Mary Poppins, yet at the end, we see the family. And Mary Poppins flying away in the background, that whole movie is about.
Jen Porter (30:23)
I'm very-
Mindy Honcoop (30:38)
a family who's become disconnected, that love has become lost. And it's about how we find that love again, how we bring each other back into conversation and healing and restoration. And then Mary Poppins was just a facilitator of that. And she's flying away. And so that's how that looks like to me.
Jen Porter (30:53)
Yeah, that's like what you do.
Wow, and it makes me that's such a great metaphor because it makes me think about the connection that was lost and you're about restoring connection and unity for people and teams. Wow.
Mindy Honcoop (31:05)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 100%. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Jen Porter (31:15)
So you're also a business owner, right? And so there's something else that is kind of an area of focus and growth for you. It's one of those things that's like, is true and yet there's so much more for us to learn. And you said, God is still shaping me to trust him as father and just being his beloved daughter. How does that show up for you in your daily life as a leader, as a business owner, as a...
Mindy Honcoop (31:17)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Hmm
Jen Porter (31:45)
you know, an entrepreneur. How does that affect you?
Mindy Honcoop (31:47)
Mm-hmm.
You know, before, and I didn't get to know God as father until just recently, Jen. And that seems so crazy, because I knew God as Lord and provider, but I didn't understand what it meant to be his beloved daughter. And I think that, I think I still was really struggling with having it all together, having all the answers, appearing to...
be successful with others. What does it mean to be successful? And it was those less than voices just kind of at the back of my head. But if we have God as father, that means that we're children of God, that we're heirs, we're heirs, we're princesses.
And there is no less than. There's just more than. And it took the loss of some important people in my life, of some key family members, to enter into even deeper, deeper work of understanding, okay, what does it look like?
These individuals lived very purpose-filled lives. Like they took huge risks and they never apologized for who they were. And I think I was still holding back because I was worried about what people would think. And a people pleaser. I think, you know, this conversation being bold about my faith, I often would stand on the side of being slow to share because I'm worried about what people would think.
And since their passing, I have said, and because they died young, I'm like, I don't have time to live small anymore. And as God is father, the one thing that matters is I am beloved. Someone will never leave me and that is God. Humans may leave me, but that's okay. Because I have God my father for eternity and there's nothing besides.
denouncing him as God the Father that would keep me from being in relationship with him. And once I reframe that, then I've been able to step out more in bold faith and share my faith with others in a way that I haven't before. And to find the moments where God was speaking and calling me into that felt risky and stretchy. Yeah, anyways.
It's really exciting.
Jen Porter (34:37)
I know, so much, like all these things are going off in my mind and my heart.
Mindy Honcoop (34:40)
starts just like moving. It's
scary to do this. It's scary to do this because in HR we're so told, okay, walk the, you're neutral, you're Switzerland, you don't want to, you don't want to, you don't want to stand a certain ground or otherwise you're to alienate other people. But then I'm like, but if I'm coming from a place of love and a place of room to hear from everyone, because it doesn't mean that me standing my faith means that then I'm not going to listen to other people.
Jen Porter (35:01)
Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (35:09)
It just means that I want to seek to understand more now.
Jen Porter (35:15)
You know, it's my journey too, right? You and I have been on this journey together of being more bold and obedient in our faith and, you know, not worried about the costs or the fallout because we know that it's more important to walk in God's plan for our lives than it is to worry about what anybody else thinks. But it's challenging, right? ⁓
Mindy Honcoop (35:36)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Porter (35:46)
And, you know, ⁓ there's so many things that are going through my mind. I'm going to attempt to wrap this up because I know we only have a few more minutes. what I guess the listeners are probably thinking maybe there's something coming up in their hearts that maybe that maybe they're getting a little bit sweaty, you know.
Mindy Honcoop (36:11)
Mm-hmm.
Jen Porter (36:12)
palms and their hearts racing a little bit because they've been called to do something bold to take some risks in their sharing of their faith or even just being obedient whatever God is asking of them. What do you hope for the people that are listening?
Mindy Honcoop (36:21)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
my hope, and this is coming out of a lot, because I just started a coaching, like learning how to, because I've been seeing coaching come up in my work so much, and I knew I needed to get certified and to learn more, to actually build up capability in that area. And as I've started working in just pure coaching conversations, I have seen so much in those conversations with other Christians.
how often we forget that we're the children of God.
and how we get stuck into the ways of this world and ways that we don't even realize.
and how to let that go, to truly let it go. And to stand firm in our belief that God is our provider and will provide and make a way. And that He has uniquely created us, each of us, to do things uniquely different from each other and that we all need each other. And we aren't meant to do this life alone.
and to let go is the scariest thing ever. But it's the very thing we need to do in order to share in his suffering and be yoked in incredibly light yoke. When we become yoked with him and then he's leading us, wow, that's the piece that surpasses all understanding. And I'm not saying it gets easy because we share in his suffering, but there's such lightness in knowing.
Jen Porter (38:19)
Right.
Mindy Honcoop (38:23)
that this is a short time and that he literally provides the manna every day and the strength every day.
Jen Porter (38:30)
Yeah,
he just does. He does.
Mindy Honcoop (38:32)
He does,
he does, and I never saw that before.
Jen Porter (38:36)
You know, I want to encourage others with a few concepts. Number one, I realize there's nobody in this world that is worthy of our surrender other than God. He's the only one. So if people feel afraid of letting go and surrendering, we're not talking about surrendering to other people. We're talking about surrendering to the one who holds your life in his hands anyway. And he is fully trustworthy. Mindy, you know this, my breath prayer, my prayer.
Mindy Honcoop (38:47)
Mm-hmm.
No.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yes.
Jen Porter (39:05)
every
day for the last year and a half or two years now, I trust you Lord. It applies to everything that comes up. The declaration from my soul, I trust you Lord because you're worthy of my trust. He is fully trustworthy.
Mindy Honcoop (39:11)
⁓ Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Porter (39:21)
And you reminding me so much of like this work that you've allowed God to do inside of you. I hear you saying identity in Christ. I hear like going back to, know, I am a child of God. This is who I am, not because of me, but because of who he is and what he did. And so I'm reminded, you know,
Mindy Honcoop (39:31)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Jen Porter (39:42)
for those that haven't heard it, go back and listen to the Identity in Christ series because we do a one by one of who we are in Christ so that we have to remember. I'm also thinking like what you have found, you know, the peace and the surrender, it does require that remembering. You talked about the culture and how it can sway us in ways that we don't even understand. We have to be in the Word.
Mindy Honcoop (39:46)
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Yes, it goes back to the scripture part.
Jen Porter (40:11)
of what is true, right? What is eternally
Mindy Honcoop (40:11)
Yes.
Jen Porter (40:15)
true about God, about us, about the world. I mean, there's so much in there that guides us, that can guide us when the world will send us into a tizzy.
Mindy Honcoop (40:22)
I know.
Yeah,
we're messy humans, right? Like we're not gonna get it right all the time. We're going to mess up. I he's such a gracious father. He so loves it when we go back to him and surrender the mess to him because we can't live without him. And I love how you always say, Jen, so beautifully that it's always about, he has the outcome. We don't have the outcome. He has the outcome. We just need to be faithful.
Jen Porter (40:30)
Yeah.
Yes.
Mindy Honcoop (40:53)
and stepping into whatever he's calling us to step into and he has outcome. know, even in my relationship with my husband, I realized I was controlling so much that the survival mechanisms and not fully trusting in my relationships, like I had to let that go. I had to trust that God has my husband. I had to trust that as I surrender, because he has called my husband to be the head of my household, that it may feel that God is not gonna ever
Jen Porter (41:13)
yes.
Mindy Honcoop (41:22)
call me into conflict with what he's called me to be in his word and what my husband is leading our household to do. And if I feel that tension, then God's saying, back to me and let's talk through that. Like I have that too and I'm gonna provide for that too Mindy. But you, I've got Chris, you don't.
Jen Porter (41:36)
Mend it.
Such another, like it applies to every aspect of our lives, doesn't it?
Mindy Honcoop (41:46)
But that
was my sin.
Jen Porter (41:49)
Mindy, you're going to have to come back. We're going to have to go look apart too. I know and that's the beautiful thing about how he's created you with that. You call it stubbornness. I call it perseverance, especially when you're willing to let go to him, sort of to him, but that joy and that passion that he's given you, you bring into your relationships, into your work.
Mindy Honcoop (41:55)
Sorry, you just like got me like passionate about
Hmm.
Jen Porter (42:17)
into helping to transform cultures into healing organizations where people can truly thrive. It's so beautiful. I am gonna keep my promise and wrap you up so you can get to your meeting. ⁓ But I wanna leave the ⁓ listeners with a couple of things. Number one, how they can find out more about you. So Mindy is like a connector, she is a networker, she loves people. Reach out, mindyhoncoop.com.
Mindy Honcoop (42:25)
Yeah. ⁓
Yeah.
love that.
Yeah.
Jen Porter (42:47)
is
where you can learn more about her and then of course Mindy Hancube at LinkedIn on LinkedIn. Your content it's awesome and I want to leave is there anything else that you want to share before I wrap up anything else you want to say?
Mindy Honcoop (42:52)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
⁓ I think, know, I just, have a lot of friends who are in different journeys in their walk and some that don't know the Lord. And if anyone's listening, just, you know, I think it's always about just first, just talking. Like I always just encourage people not to overthink it. You're not gonna get it wrong. I just, talking with God, yeah, yeah. Just start talking with.
Jen Porter (43:26)
You mean talking with God? Yeah.
Mindy Honcoop (43:32)
with your creator, like just start talking with your creator. 100%, yes, he can handle it, yes, yes, it's just a conversation.
Jen Porter (43:34)
And you know what, Mindy? It can even be an anger like when you were driving home that day. Like, you can handle it. Be honest. Be real.
Yeah.
So true. I'm gonna, I wanna share these two scriptures as we wrap up. So one I already alluded to which was Philippians 419 because this is a promise from God and my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus. He will meet all our needs because Christ Jesus has everything. He's limitless.
Mindy Honcoop (44:01)
Hmm.
Hmmmm
Jen Porter (44:16)
And
so, you know, he just has the storehouse of riches and treasures to pour out to us. He's never-ending. There's no limit to him and his provision. And then Isaiah 58, 11. This is such beautiful imagery. The Lord will guide you always. He will satisfy your needs. You will be like a well-watered garden. Isn't that beautiful? A well-watered garden, because he's a good, good gardener.
Mindy Honcoop (44:23)
Yeah
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Yeah.
Jen Porter (44:46)
So Mindy, thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for sharing your experiences, the love in which you bring to everything that you do, the story of how you have learned how to surrender to God so that he can bring more. The provision is actually greater when you're walking with him because you're in alignment. And...
the beauty of what you discover in scripture every day and how you weave that into everything that you do. And thank you your friendship.
Mindy Honcoop (45:18)
Well, I mean, thank you. God so has provided for you in my life and the journey of going from broken to stained glass window to where I am right now. So you're a huge part of that. So thank you, Jen.
Jen Porter (45:31)
you're welcome. Amen. Amen. Until the next episode, the lioness in me sees the lioness in you.