Ep. 93: The Art of Hunting and Fishing: Behind the Scenes with Jim Shockey’s Cameraman, Jesse Reardon

Join us as we sit down with Jesse Reardon, a seasoned outdoorsman and former cameraman for renowned hunter Jim Shockey.

Hear about the exciting adventures and challenges Jesse faced while filming hunts in remote locations around the world. From being face to face with an African lion, or charged by a hippo, to tracking big game throughout North America, Jesse shares his expertise and passion for the outdoors.

Tune in for an enlightening and entertaining conversation about hunting, fishing, and the importance of sustainable outdoor practices.

 

Jesse Reardon links:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/neighborhood1o1

Linkedin: https://ca.linkedin.com/in/jesse-reardon-7661243a

YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/user/neighborhood101

 

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Visual Artist and Adventure.

Just shy of 20 years traveling the
world as the creative director,

cameraman and editor for Jim Shockey.

Welcome to the Silvercore
podcast, Jesse Reardon.

.
Jesse Reardon: That was a good intro.

Hey,

Travis Bader: you.

Well, it's almost like I practiced

Jesse Reardon: it, right?

Nice.

No, that was good.

Just shy of 22.

Travis Bader: Just shy of 20.

Yeah, we're gonna say 20 years.

But you, you made sure
to correct me on that.

You said?

No, I was 19.

Was just shy.

Jesse Reardon: Just shy.

Yeah, just shy.

And I think Bojo, uh, Brian
Witkowski, he, he made 20 years.

Uh, he was Jim Shockey's other.

He was Jim Shockey's.

Uh, Cowboy.

He's a real cowboy.

Yeah, he's a real cowboy.

. I was just learning

Travis Bader: to be a cowboy.

Just learn in.

So it's funny, uh, going
back, what was it, 2018?

I think it was around there, 20 20 18.

2019 was when I first kind of Really
You came on the radar for meme.

Yeah.

And that was when, uh, uh, my wife
and I were doing some videos for

April Voki in doing some, uh, my
wife's a chef by trade and she's doing

cooking videos, and I watched a lot
of YouTube and picked up a camera.

I'm like, I could figure this out.

I, I, I can do this video editing.

And started learning
how to use Premier Pro.

And you came back with a whole bunch
of tips and suggestions, but I was,

uh, pretty chuffed when you're like,
man, his, his cuts are on point.

I think that was the
one compliment that you,

Jesse Reardon: oh man.

That was nice.

No, I

Travis Bader: don't remember that email.

No, it was good.

Well, I think he came through,
uh, April and over to me.

Jesse Reardon: Oh, no.

, constructive criticism.

That's right.

We'll call it.

. So,

Travis Bader: uh, but you, holy crow,
you've been doing the whole video

thing for a pretty long time with
a, with a legend, with Jim Shockey.

Yeah.

Did you want to talk about
how you got into that?

Cause I think it's kind of a neat story.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

A little bit.

Um, so yeah, roughly I helped put
together with Shocky's team of course,

because Takes a team, takes a village.

Yes.

Like three, three over 300
episodes was Shocky for sure.

But Wow.

Um, definitely, um, crazy
humble beginnings because I was

actually, uh, born and raised in
Calgary as a kind of a city kid.

Uh, kind of more like
sports and, uh, hockey.

Sports and wanted to be in the outdoors,
but never, never got out there.

How come,

Travis Bader: how come
you weren't outdoors?

Was just like a family thing or family

Jesse Reardon: didn't
camp and, uh, . Yeah.

I was kind of right in the city,
close to downtown Calgary and it

was hockey and soccer and school.

Yeah.

All the, all the kids at school and
a bit of dirt biking, but you know,

um, yeah, my dad, he, he wasn't, you
know, like, it just didn't work out.

Like they didn't do that.

I hear ya.

Fishing though.

Fishing.

But my dad, my dad's idea of
fishing was getting together with

his buddies and drinking some
beers and handing me a fishing rod.

But because of that, and also
when I visited my grandpa in

Ontario, he'd, he'd drive me to
lakes and hand me a fishing rod.

So because of that I loved fishing, so.

Right.

That was the one thing I really loved was,
was fishing, but never, never hunting.

So Yeah.

Never hunting.

Yep.

But anyways, yeah, I moved to,
uh, Vancouver Island and my dad

was here and I got a job at a
t-shirt shop as a graphic designer.

And, uh, one of Shockee guys came in
looking for jackets To get embroidered.

Yeah.

For his, uh, rogue gr route, vin
territory he had bought in Yukon.

and he was talking about, he had a
TV show and it was, uh, a hunting

show and he was traveling to
Russia and all these other places.

And I thought, oh, that's kind of cool.

I had a website up at time and I
threw him a business card right in

there and . Yeah, I was, I just, yeah.

It was interesting how it all transpired
because Shocky looked at it, I guess,

and he, he saw something, but I stayed
on a sidekick and I remember the first

time I watched Jim Shockey's, uh, dvd.

That was a weird day.

But

Travis Bader: correct me if I'm wrong,
your website wasn't videography.

It was photography, wasn't it?

It

Jesse Reardon: was like I had
photos, like we, I took a year.

Media course.

So you did, uh, six weeks of video
and we did six weeks of Adobe

Photoshops, six weeks of logo design.

Okay.

It was like the, uh, G three
s G4 Max had just coming out.

They, they had like, it
was all just getting going.

Digital editing.

Mm-hmm.

. So I don't pronounce my ngs,
it's my accent , but, uh,

editing, digital editing, yeah.

So something happened there,
but I stayed on this guy.

I saw Shocky's first, uh, dvd
and I, he, it looked pretty,

uh, cheeseball, I thought.

Kind of a little bit weird.

I remember seeing some clips from that.

Yeah.

It was different.

Yeah.

But it was, uh, there was this young man,
Cody Robbins, who's a hardcore hunter.

He's got his own show.

He might've heard of it.

I dunno.

Cody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Perhaps Lived the Hunter or something.

. Um, yeah.

Yeah.

He was doing the show at the time
and, um, somehow I got invited to go

to Saskatchewan and live with Cody.

live at Cody's.

Travis Bader: You just got the invite.

Jesse Reardon: He's like
from Jim Bisson to go.

Cuz they were, Jim was an outfitter
for a whitetail out there.

Ah, okay.

So I got the invite to go live at
Cody's for a month and just follow him

along like, cuz Cody's running around
filming hunts and editing the show.

He is always late on his

So I was there to help.

Right?

Yeah, yeah.

And live with Cody Robbins.

That's

Travis Bader: pretty cool.

For a month.

Was it?

Sounds cool to me.

You tell me.

Was it cool?

Jesse Reardon: Yeah, it was cool.

I learned a lot.

I learned a lot.

No, it was good.

It was really good to, uh, yeah, a
lot lot happened that, that month

and actually that month is when I, so
cuz Cody was so busy with Whitetails

and with Jim's outfit in area and for
Whitetails that Shockey was doing, uh,

he'd got drawn for this random, uh, elk
hunt in Wyoming and he needed a camera.

Okay.

So I was like, yeah, I'll go to Wyoming.

Okay.

So every weekend, cuz Jim would
have to come back and say hi to

the Hunters or something like that.

Yeah.

On the weekends, wait, he had to come back
on the weekends and say hi to the hunters,

do all the dinners and all this stuff.

And then he'd go back hunting
for three days in Wyoming.

So he needed cameraman.

So I went with him on
those for three weeks.

We went for like four day hunts for
elk with his muzzle lo muzzle loader.

Yeah.

Just drive back and forth from
driving back and forth, listening

to, to him sing . Is he a good

Travis Bader: singer?

Jesse Reardon: He's
not like, he's not bad.

Depends who you ask.

Like if you ask him, he's
pretty, he's pretty good.

His, his song did make number
one Blues or something Very cool.

Yeah, he, he sung that to me once too.

He's sung me every song.

Yeah.

He sung me good.

The his Grass is Greener song.

When, um, when I retired
from the, the Shocky Show.

. Long

Travis Bader: story.

That's pretty cool.

Sounds kinda like a
family environment really.

Yeah.

.
Jesse Reardon: Yeah, totally.

He, he became kind of like
a, what do they call it?

Like a surrogate, surrogate father.

I call him more surrogate
Grandpa . I'm sure he

Travis Bader: loves that surrogate
great-grandfather Custer's.

Jesse Reardon: So, no, he, he's awesome,
you know, mentor all these things.

Like, he taught me a lot.

Taught me how to hunt for sure.

Cuz I was just a city kid
who, who liked to fish.

But, um, hunting and all
that, I, I had no clue.

And when I went on that trip in
Wyoming, like day one, we, I found

out we were riding horseback.

Right.

Travis Bader: And have
had you ridden a horse

Jesse Reardon: before?

Well, like, mm, honestly,
come to think of it.

And not much.

No.

Like it's Calgary stampede I used to see.

Okay.

and they'd ride the horses there.

And the Bronco I always
liked to watch, you know?

Sure, yeah.

But you know, no, no, I

Travis Bader: hadn't.

So aside from watching other
people ride horses at the

Jesse Reardon: Stampede, that was
honestly, I don't recall child, no

childhood memories of riding a horse
. But I hopped on there with the Cameron,

just, you know, whatever, figured it
out cuz it was like, had no choice.

So.

So

Travis Bader: what, what kind of
camera were you bringing with you?

Jesse Reardon: I was, uh, back
then it was Cannon XL one.

Cannon xl.

H one.

Like the first xl, or
they had the GL two glt.

It was still standard def.

Was

Travis Bader: that your camera
or did they provide no shock?

Jesse Reardon: He provided, yeah.

Okay.

He provide the tapes and
everything, the batter.

The, the tapes, the light
that I was supposed to have.

Cody, thanks for reminding me.

. Yeah.

Cody . Yeah, it was, it was a
good, uh, it was a good trip.

It was like, I learned a lot, but
it was back to camp and I got to

know Shocky the whole time and
I tried to prove myself right.

So I had my, like my Cannon camera or
whatever my, you know, film camera, took

pictures and I'd go back to Cody's and

Travis Bader: edit.

And Was it hard to prove yourself?

Did that, was that an ongoing process?

Jesse Reardon: Well, they needed a guy for
sure, but it was, yeah, it was like I had

to prove myself to Jim that I wasn't gonna
like, cuz shockey's the real deal, like

when he goes on these trips, the rougher
the better, the more hungry, the better

the crappier, the weather the better.

Like, he's a serious, I'm like,
you know, he like, the last trip

I did with him, you said 10 days.

We were there 21 days

Travis Bader: and you'd never really
camped or been outside before this.

Jesse Reardon: Oh, for that one?

Y yeah, I mean, No, I, I remember
camping rarely as a child.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: And now you're out there 21
days, not only taking care of yourself,

but having to capture everything.

Take care of the equipment, I'm sure.

Right?

Yeah.

That to capture everything on video

Jesse Reardon: and photo.

Yeah.

That one was a little cushy cuz we went
back to like, uh, they had like a barn.

Okay.

Kind of set up with bunk beds.

But you, you know, it's like
a outfitter camp I guess.

Yeah.

So you'd go back to a nice warm dinner and
I, I learned about that whole cuz when you

go with an outfitter, it, it's, you, you
do become friends and uh, you get to know

these people out on the bush really quick.

Right.

If you go with unguided hunts.

And I learned about the camaraderie.

Yes.

Oh yeah, I did.

So it was, uh, it was a good learning
experience and I was working with

real cowboys out out in Wyoming.

It was, was it Wyoming?

Yeah, it was, it was insane.

Travis Bader: Just pretty cool.

So you just jump in and you're now all
of a sudden filming a shows you had

other people besides you helping film it?

Or were you just kind of.

Jesse Reardon: It was, it was
time to, uh, Cody needed a second

cameraman cuz Cody was getting busy.

Um, he was, yeah, he was too busy.

He was getting burnt out
because, you know, traveling the

world and whatever was great.

So I got the, uh, I got invited to this
45 day trip, which was pretty wild.

It was Turkey, Tanzania, and, uh, Spain.

Yep.

Wow.

Anyways, it was all new to me.

I remember my, my first time in Spain,
like on a mountain and trying to film Jim,

you know, get the shot, nail the shot.

And then, you know, of course you'd
look down and it's like, oh yeah,

when you're filming and moving you
gotta wa you gotta always look down.

You gotta watch your, watch your step man.

Yeah.

Because it could happen quick.

Like, people, like we are
in some dangerous territory.

So just like, just being
aware of everything.

Travis Bader: I guess it's pretty
easy to get stuck in the viewfinder.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

Oh yeah.

And also, um, yeah, and
that's another thing.

You're looking through this little
tiny viewfinder back in the day.

Yeah.

And then Shocki always
loved to review the footage.

That was like pretty immediately.

Well, like with the, yeah.

I mean, sometimes with the tapes.

Yeah.

We were always careful.

Mm-hmm.

, there was one guy who, he was
just so pumped about his footage

and then he reviewed it and then
the next day, Recorded over it.

Travis Bader: So one thing that's
been interesting, like in the Shocky

shows is that he will, he'll release
the blemishes as well, right?

Yeah.

He'll yeah.

He's got the hits, but he'll
also have the misses in there.

No, that was good.

Which is it, it brings it into a level of
reality for the people who are watching.

Yeah.

Where quite often it was always like
you'd, you'd see somebody on TV and

it was, they're always successful.

They're always making hits.

Totally.

And I thought that's kind of an
interesting way to approach it.

And I think that probably is
paid in part to the success that

the, that the show see would see.

Yeah, totally.

Jesse Reardon: And that's, I came on like.

Uh, late part of Season two and
Shockey's for Jim Shockey's Hunt

inventors that went on for 17 seasons.

And one thing I did like about the
shows besides the, uh, the Looped one

song, weird song throughout the whole
song or throughout the whole show.

Yeah.

Which I was like, oh man, it's gotta go.

It's gotta go.

Was uh, he was real, like it was,
it did tell the story of the Hunt.

It did tell the, the, the, if he
didn't get one, if he did get one.

Mm-hmm.

Um, you know, I remember, yeah.

He had to.

Yeah, I, I appreciated that about,
and that's what Hunt was good about,

hunt adventures, is that we, he would
literally bring back the footage.

Yeah.

Here's the, you know, 10 tapes from
this trip to, you know, wherever

Spain, we need three episodes.

Figure it out.

Travis Bader: Were there other people that
were kind of vying for that position and

you just kind of got in or were you just
kind of like right place, right time?

Jesse Reardon: Yeah, I was, it was kind
of right place, right time, I guess.

But I was kind of, uh, it was like
an opportunity that I heard, like

he came into my work looking for
jackets and he talked about this cool

show we had that he just started.

And I was like, oh, that's, I was
just kind of, I'd just moved to

the island and it was just kind of
there, you know, taking up a seat

and I just saw an opportunity.

But yeah, it, it just
right place, right time.

And then also just jumping on opportunity,
but also staying on it, like being

persistent once you, um, have an in
just, and then improv yourselves by,

yeah, earning and respect, I guess.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you often get people asking, like,
how, how do you break into the industry?

How do you get in and do this?

I

Jesse Reardon: have had people ask
me, and it is just, if, if that

opportunity Pres presents itself Yeah.

You gotta jump on it.

You know, like, I remember sitting
on, uh, the ferry like I was today.

Yeah.

Heading Su Saskatchewan with Jim Bien,
his, uh, sidekick, his right hand man in

2004, thinking like, okay, here we go.

I got four weeks to prove myself.

Otherwise I'm back at the t-shirt shop.

Right.

, I don't know.

And he didn't

Travis Bader: wanna go back

Jesse Reardon: to the T-shirt shop?

Not really.

I could go back to Calgary.

I was thinking about going back
to Calgary, maybe moving out east.

Yeah.

I wanted to do something kind
of, I've always wanted to do

something in the fishing industry,
like some sort of TV show.

So Yeah.

Still in the works.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

Yeah.

Let's see what happens.

Yeah.

Okay.

Never know.

Yeah, I was, I remember, um, uh,
listening to, uh, Jim say, you

know, people asking like, how,
how do you get into the industry?

How do you get in and do this?

And he said, just want this and do it.

Mm-hmm.

be in there and do it.

Want it more than anything else.

How do you do this?

What the, the podcast is Silver Court.

The le, every like, you
know, it's a similar thing.

Just want it and do it.

I, I saw something that I was,
I felt that I could be good at.

Mm-hmm.

and that was mm-hmm.

, I started doing the gunsmith thing.

Mm-hmm.

, originally it was Silver
Court Gun Works and before it

became Silver Court training.

And you know, people who follow the
show know that I named Silvercores

after my grandfather, silver Armino, who
was a police officer, Vancouver police

detective, and my other grandfather,
Cornelius Beder, who was a entrepreneur

and he had a large bakery in its day
and did well for himself with that.

Yeah.

He was, uh, apple Fritters Macon.

Yeah, he, he would brag that he was
bigger than dad's oatmeal cookies.

I don't know if that's a big brag
or what, but, uh, for him it was

one of the things that he'd say.

And, um, I, so I, I, I
wasn't doing well in school.

Yeah.

I, I figured, you know, I,

Jesse Reardon: why weren't
you doing well in school?

Travis Bader: Probably because that
whole, possibly because of that whole

ADHD thing that we talked to about,
on the drive over here, you learn

different, learn a little bit differently.

Um, approached life a little bit
differently, approached challenges

a little bit differently.

Got into a fair bit of
trouble in my youth, honestly.

Yeah.

And, uh, ended up going to a number
of different schools because of that.

, not of my own accord.

It's all an

Jesse Reardon: alternative high.

Back in my day.

Alternative

Travis Bader: high.

Yeah.

Uh, I think at the end
it was, uh, 1, 2, 3.

1, 2, 2 different elementary schools,
uh, five different high schools.

And I remember grade seven, the teacher's
like, you know, Trav, honestly, I

should fail you, but I don't want
to see you back in the class again.

So I'm giving you just enough to pass.

It gets you into high school and I
think high school will figure you out.

. And that was probably a good thing
on her part because yeah, I don't,

I don't see it helping anybody
having me repeat that grade.

And then, uh, you know,
I graduated with honors.

Yeah.

At grade four I had straight A's.

Yeah.

Just because, uh, different
teachers, different teaching styles.

By the time I came to graduation,
I was going to, um, the worst rated

school in British Columbia at the time.

Yeah.

I think it's much more better rated
now, but I mean, it had problems.

Jesse Reardon: It was worse
than Central Memorial in

Travis Bader: Calgary.

Well this was Princess Margaret
Secondary in, uh, in Sury.

Oh, good Old Sur Boy.

We have one of those too.

Yeah.

Uh, good old Princess Margaret's secondary
PMs, everyone would lovingly call it.

Wow.

Um, and crazy.

I was there going to Siku, uh,
doing night school at Semi Amu.

and I ended up at Seattles grad, and
then I would just go across the street

to the college and or the university
college to whatever it is now.

Quine.

Mm-hmm.

. I talk to my teachers, what worked,
what work do I have to show you in

order to get a good grade in this class?

Yeah.

They tell me, I go across the street,
I do all the work, and I go to the

beach and I get all my schooling done
within an hour or two in the morning,

which is just the different way that
their mind works and brain works.

So.

Totally.

And yeah, I So,

Jesse Reardon: and you were
recently diagnosed with, yeah,

I recently diagnosed with adhd.

I had to go get checked out, you
know, to just kind of prove to

myself that I probably did have it.

Did you

Travis Bader: feel you

Jesse Reardon: had it
and you're like, okay.

Oh yeah, I was always there.

I was just, you know, I always
kind of blamed it on my childhood,

but it was, it was actually, I
had ADHD as well for full on.

But you know, thank goodness cuz um,
if we didn't have people with a adhd, I

don't think anything we could get done.

Travis Bader: So Sean Taylor, ex JTF
two Joint Task Force two Canada's

Elite Special Forces tier one operator,
talking with him a couple days ago on

the phone and brought up the ADHD thing.

We're talking about that and
mentioned, you know, when I was a

kid, I was on an experimental program.

I was on the highest dosage
of Ritalin in the province.

They could only prescribe
certain amount per pill.

So they said, well just take a whole bunch
of pills in the morning and a whole bunch

of pills in the afternoon and we'll just,
we'll keep upping it until we kind of

find the optimal threshold and then we'll
ease it back, I think was what the, yikes.

Right?

And he says, uh, you.

What a shame it is that,
yeah, they approached it.

So it was grade three when I was
diagnosed that they approached it

saying, okay, we've got this problem.

It's adhd, but here's some
ways that we can work with it.

As opposed to saying, Travis, you've
got this gift, it's called adhd.

Yeah.

You're gonna have so much energy and so
many different interests, and it's a gift.

You're gonna look at things differently
and look at all these great things

that we can and find a way to work
with it, as opposed to always growing

up thinking, I remember the kids, they
would call 'em smart pills, right?

Oh, Travis is taking us smart pills.

So when I came into grade,
Eight going into high school,

I'm like, forget it, I'm off.

I'm cold Turkey, taking myself off.

Yeah.

I didn't like the headaches,
the appetite suppression and you

know, even just going outside,

Jesse Reardon: there's a
bit of a stigma attached.

And yet Oh yeah.

I don't know much about it in terms,
cause I've just been diagnosed,

so I've been doing my research.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I, I did try medication, so.

And how'd that work for you?

It helped me, it did help me focus.

Yeah.

But, you know, it just, and cuz of that
stigma attached, it made me uncomfortable

based on my family upbringing, but also
by, I did like, uh, I don't know, I'm

still kind of experimenting with my,
what, what's the right, you know, because

honestly it did help me, uh, focus.

Travis Bader: Sure.

I found that it would numb me.

Right.

And it, it made me feel like not me.

And while it might.

focus, perhaps it also came with
the headaches and the sensitivity

to light and all these other things.

Mm-hmm.

, I don't, I don't know what medication
they put you on, but I just didn't like

the feeling of needing something else.

Yeah.

I agree.

I, I'd rather find a way, you
know, I was always raised Trav,

you're a, you're a square peg and
the world's around hole and Yeah.

The world's gotta figure it out.

How to work with you.

Yeah.

Which is totally backwards.

Yeah.

If you're a square of pig and
the world's a round hole mm-hmm.

, it's up to you to figure out how to work
yourself with the rest of the world.

Totally.

And so it wasn't until I was, and
I think that was probably why I got

in a fair bit of trouble mm-hmm.

in my youth and.

And, uh, luckily got
things kind of sorted out.

Yeah.

By the time I started long roundabout
here, Silvercore Gun works and Yeah.

Yeah, it was,

Jesse Reardon: um, and
soundness of mine is good.

What's that?

Soundness of mine like when you
have a clear head, it's, it's nice.

Even with adhd, that's what
we get out in the bush too.

You know, you go, you go into Yukon for
20 days and Well, isn't that interesting?

Some, some of the best
soundness of mine, you get

Travis Bader: out there.

Isn't it interesting how being out
in the ocean, being out in a, on

a lake up, the mountainside in the
bush, in, in the woods will bring a

level of clarity to an individual.

It turns off all of that white noise.

Mm-hmm.

Totally.

That you'd otherwise have if
you're in the city all the time.

Mm-hmm.

, I find, I find if I've been in the city
for a while, it'll take me a little bit.

Kind of reached that point of
just being present, let's say.

Oh, yeah.

Uh, sometimes all I hear is all the,
all, all the thoughts, all the arguments,

all the battles, all the, uh, ideas,
and they're just popping and going and

yeah, several days into it, all of a
sudden everything's calm and it's clear.

I'm sure you would find it
something similar, just well

Jesse Reardon: recording
on some of those trips.

You're kind of self-reliant a bit
and you're kind of part of this team.

And if you're roughing it with
the boys for 10, 12, 20 some

days Mm, yeah, it gets it.

It's hard out there sometimes, but
you come back missing those moments.

and you, you, you, I used to call
it a spa for men out there, spa for

Travis Bader: men, . Okay.

I love it.

Yeah, because you come
back mentally refreshed.

Jesse Reardon: Oh yeah.

It's the best.

You, you just like, it's, uh, you,
you figure things out, out there,

Travis Bader: they call it, uh,
you've heard of type one and type two.

Fun.

Yeah,

Jesse Reardon: so I think so.

Travis Bader: No.

Okay, so you're saying, oh, it sucks.

It's hard when you're out there,
but you look back and it's awesome.

Right.

Oh, there you go.

People would say, Hey,
that's type two fun.

Yeah.

Type two fun is where.

, uh, you're, you're working really hard and
it, it, it's a difficult time, but yeah.

It's one of those core memories that
you carry with you after type one would

be like, okay, I'm on a rollercoaster.

It's a lot of fun.

Yeah.

But you don't look back and
say, those were the days.

Right.

And buddy of mine started
talking about type three fun.

Oh yeah.

I thought, well that's interesting.

What's type three fun, right?

Yeah.

This is, uh, uh, David, he's,
uh, a big lead in the, uh, new

website we're actually putting out.

Yeah.

This is type three fun.

That's, uh, when it really sucks.

Yeah.

When you're doing it, but later when you
look back on it, it still really sucks.

right there, there is that
type of type three fun.

Jesse Reardon: I put that in,
uh, Yukon Uncharted season two.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What was that like?

. That was a hard push in the
wire, our area for some reason.

Yeah.

Everywhere we went, we
weren't seeing moose.

And the other guy was seeing moose at
our same . The rookie, the rookie guide.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

Wh why do you think that was?

Just,

Jesse Reardon: I don't
know, luck of the draw.

Yeah, just kind of half It was just, and
then we had bad weather and stuff for

like five days just sitting in the rain.

It was a hard push.

We weren't, we, you know what?

The problem was there if you ask Shocky
and we weren't spiking out, um Mm.

It was just would've been a little
harder on the clients and . We would've

had that really spike out there.

And so you, you'd take your camp with
you, and that's, that's well number one

thing I learned with Jim is take your
camp with you and you just keep moving.

Travis Bader: How, how long
will you dedicate to an area.

, me or Jim?

Well, okay.

Well, you filming Jim

.
Jesse Reardon: Oh.

He'd dedicate his life to an area,

Travis Bader: if you could.

So if it wasn't being productive,
he'd just keep working it, or

he'd spike out again from there.

Oh, he'd

Jesse Reardon: figure it out.

He'd figure out the best way
to hunt that area, for sure.

Yeah.

Or we'd just move on to new area.

If that area wasn't for moose,
like Yeah, you'd fig you'd, you'd

find you'd find the biggest moose.

What

Travis Bader: sort of
things would he be looking.

For moose.

Sure.

Let's say for moose, if he's
going out into an area and

Jesse Reardon: he says, oh, he is
getting the high points and he is

looking for, for antlers to start.

Yeah.

But he is also, it's all
in season and everything.

He knows his, I mean there he hunt,
he, he really knows that area out.

Uh, I can't say the name, but we, I
went there for the first time with them.

Actually, when he bought the
area, he, we went there . Oh man.

Yeah, we went to that camp and
had been attacked by Grizzly bear.

I didn't know we were
just setting up this camp.

So now this campus is camp now.

Now it's like Deputy Boo.

But I went there day one with him and
I remember laying in that, that shack

thinking, oh boy, three weeks of this
like, . I was like in the fetal position

thinking, here we go with a grizzly

Travis Bader: bear on the prowl

Jesse Reardon: outside.

Grizzly bear on the prowl.

The camp wasn't set up and me and Jim
had like four or five days before, uh,

the client and his dad was coming in
and that was fun filming his dad though.

I was like that.

Travis Bader: Okay.

So those, those are neat.

So his dad and his father-in-law?

Yeah.

Hal Lynn.

Jesse Reardon: Hal Lynn.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: Man, that was huge.

There

Jesse Reardon: are a couple cool cats.

Hey, they're really cool cats.

And that was a good story behind that
because we, um, yeah, we got 'em together

for Whitetails and, uh, . I can't tell how
we filmed that first episode, but after

that we were like, we gotta do, it's like
the idea was stemmed from grumpy old men.

Like Yeah, get these two guys out.

And they were having a contest.

Yeah.

And for them they were, they
were both hardcore meat.

They like everything good about hunting
is what they worked . So they, they

take the first thing that's legal,
like legit . But, um, that's what

made it good was they were kind of
like old school meat, meat hunters.

And that's what it's all about
with hunting, is you're, you're

getting meat for the family.

That's how they grew up.

And yeah, honestly for me, like working
all that time got me into hunting and now.

I don't buy meat.

And actually I, you know, I try and
get a blacktail every year if I can.

And yeah, last year we got our first
bear, so, you know, it's nice your

first bear, you know, I can, and I got
friends who do get farm animals so I

can do trades if I get a blacktail.

They're not very big on the island.

But yeah.

So, you know, I'm not hardcore hunter,
but I definitely have a passion for

wildlife and, and uh, you know, I
tend to get myself in trouble when

I'm hunting cuz I try and film it
and then I'm, I spook off and I

Travis Bader: actually shot that.

Okay.

So that's gotta be damn difficult
trying to film your own hunt.

Yeah.

Film your own

Jesse Reardon: hunt.

Travis Bader: Tell, tell me, how do
you go about filming your own hunt?

What are you looking for in shots?

Cause there's a lot of people who, uh, are
getting, the cameras are getting better.

Your phones have cameras.

Oh man.

Phones are amazing.

Yeah.

Go.

and, and people are putting out
content of their own on YouTube and

Instagram, like from a profe season to
professional's perspective, what are

some of the go-tos that you'd be looking
for for basic shots and composition?

Well, I mean,

Jesse Reardon: ultimately, again,
what's made Jim Shockey, sun Ventures,

or most of his here is good, was just
you're telling the story of the hunt.

Mm-hmm.

. And if you're telling the story,
you're gonna document the day.

And the biggest thing is, uh, , I mean,
you gotta have an eye for it too, right?

Mm-hmm.

for storytelling.

But if you're, if you're filming
a hunt, the biggest thing

is to commit to your shot.

You're not, cuz you, people, I people
come show you footage and it's like,

Hey man, I got this deer, blah blah.

Watch the footage.

And it's like, it's all over.

Boom, boom, boom.

Like, where's the shot?

Well, yeah, I got it.

And then the camera's off and it's
like right into the ground, you

know, like, so if you're filming, uh,
one of the biggest rules was don't.

Don't get involved in the hunt.

You're like Shocki used to describe it as
you're like filming your kids' graduation.

You're just gonna film them going up.

He's gonna get the thing, you're
gonna film them, so you just

can't get too involved in.

naturally you get involved and mm-hmm.

, you miss your shot.

Or cuz if you don't get that harvest
shot, unfortunately in a, in a hunting

show or a fishing show, you're kind of

Travis Bader: Yeah.

In trouble.

Well, it makes telling
the story a lot different.

Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: And it's not,
we're not trying to glorify

it, but it's part of the, it's
unfortunately, it's part of the show.

And what, again, hunter Ventures, it
was always clean and we always did

a good job of being very ethical and
respectful of the animal and stuff.

Travis Bader: Would you
ever have to try and reshoot

Jesse Reardon: and recreate So
yeah, that's called, uh, B-roll.

So often we would, you, you'd get B-roll.

But in, and Shocky always taught
us, and what I always try and go

for, it's called running time.

Right.

So for that moment it's running time.

So the idea is, so you go in, like
if I was filming you right down on a

stalk, Uhhuh , I come in kinda wide.

Right.

Okay.

Come in wide and then we see
the animal over say 50 yards.

So I'm kind of, you're,
I see you setting up.

So now I'm still wide and then I could
maybe go medium over the shoulder.

Yeah.

And then I'd maybe pin it at full zoom.

Yeah.

Hold that shot.

And then if I know like maybe
you're there for a minute, we're

talking, you don't have time,
then you'd come back wide maybe.

Okay.

The idea is you just hold that shot
and you'd take the shot and then

there was a bit of a science to
it, cuz you would, after the, after

the shot, you'd stay on the animal
and then come back to the hunter.

But Okay.

Often we would take B-roll because
um, lots of shows use that and

that's, um, what we didn't like about
the shows was maybe the fake stuff.

Right.

Right.

We always tried to make it real
because it was hunting so it was real.

Right.

So we'd use, usually I'd use
B-roll cuts for, um, cuz we had no

time, like it was 22 minute show.

Right.

Two segments and everything.

So it's like, you know, I could, the one
moose scent we did, it was 15 minutes.

The stock Right.

Run in time, but I could only
use two minutes or three minutes.

Travis Bader: Right.

So would you have to.

be like, oh, hold on,
stay back, stay back.

I gotta get into position.

Okay, now you walk through or you
just, you're literally the fly on

Jesse Reardon: the wall.

No, you're like, you're like nothing.

If you're a cameraman, you're the
guy who usually gets in trouble

for spooking the animal, right?

So you just stick to the, often
you try and get in position, you

know, but you can miss the play.

You gotta, it's, we call
it reading the play.

So again, as a cameraman,
you wanna read the play.

So the moose is going this way so
naturally and you can compress the shot.

Or if you gotta stay tight to the
hunter, that's another big thing too.

So

Travis Bader: would you ever catch crap

Jesse Reardon: for Oh, man.

Yeah.

Lots . There's always,
always Cameraman's fault.

Never Jim.

That's right.

Never.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: I saw a note on there.

It says, you know, Jim never makes

Jesse Reardon: noise.

Jim never makes noise.

No, no.

, we'd be wearing the same thing,
but . It's always cameraman.

No, it was, uh, yeah, you, you, you'd
screw up, I mean, naturally you got

noise cancellation headphones often.

Mm-hmm.

or whatever, and you're walking
around with a camera trying

to nail the shot they call it.

Yeah.

And then you're trying to read the
play and compress the shot and give

it, you know, his show was filmed in a
way that had the hunter in frame with

the animal versus like he used to call.

we used call bad wildlife footage.

I mean, lots of shows, which I'd
watch shows and be like, man, that's

like Planet Earth right there.

Like, cause it's tripod, wicked lens.

Hmm.

And they're nail on the shot.

And they had another guy made with
a cameraman or with the hunter.

But ours was always like totally
gorilla style, like rogue.

Travis Bader: It was nuts.

Would you catch, I should imagine
catch heat from different environmental

groups or people who were perhaps
anti-hunting and then, I mean we were

Jesse Reardon: always pretty good
because Shockey was super careful

with that and he was pretty legit.

But I'm sure I know he
had issues for sure.

And it was unfortunate.

And honestly for myself, I went in
green, like my first trip to Africa.

. I was on Big Five Hunt.

I was like, this is ridiculous.

Like, what are we doing?

This is crazy.

Yeah.

But you learned a lot.

And honestly, you know, people say
you're killing these animals in

Africa, but actually those hunting
dollars were saving the animals.

And until you're on foot
there, you don't legit see it.

And I, I, I could legit see that hunting
was actually helping conserve wildlife.

Right.

But I went in totally green thinking.

I don't know man.

Like I, I'm just here to
film and tell stories.

Cause I, I loved that, that
idea, you know, telling

stories with video and photo.

But I was, I was nervous going to
those countries and it was awesome

because I, I got see that Samon,

Travis Bader: Tanzania,
I'd love to go to Africa.

Buddy of mine used to be a pH
professional hunter in Africa.

And actually he's been
on the podcast before.

He is also was bodyguard for
Oprah Winfrey and her crew.

Oh, nice.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

Fellow . And, uh, so he's trying
to line up an African hunt.

Yeah, I do it.

But he talks about, you know, when he
first came over here and a buddy of

his, who was also a, I think he was
buddy, who was also a pH in Africa,

and they're like, we want to do, we
want to do a guided hunt in Canada.

I mean, world renowned, maybe
we'll do a moose hunt and mm-hmm.

So they go out to the.

Uh, guide.

And they didn't bring sleeping bags.

They didn't bring, they didn't ba they
brought their, I think they brought their

gun in a backpack and whatever they needed
for their hunt, not expecting it to be so

different than what it's like in Africa.

He says, you know, they got people
who will wash your clothing for you.

They're making your drinks for you.

They got all your bedding
is being turned out.

It, it's apparently a completely different

Jesse Reardon: world.

Oh yeah.

No, Africa was, um, like the, the
main Safari camps had, they had

full teams there working for sure.

Did your laundry and stuff like that.

But, but Shocky, of course, we'd go
out and like seven days and like, we'd

set up, uh, mosquito net tents mm-hmm.

And like sleep by Hippo
Rivers and Crock Rivers.

It was insane.

Actually.

I remember waking up
with a spider in my tent.

I'm like, oh, that's kind of cool.

I could hear the hippos.

And then I woke up next morning.

My whole face was like big,
big, big sting mark on it.

And oh, the pH had a scorpion
on his, uh, In his area there.

It was in his area there.

Okay.

It was just, it was, it was, it was.

He always loved roughing it,
so, but those Africa camps

were so, yeah, they were good.

Travis Bader: I, yeah, it could be scary.

Like, I've seen stuff with, um,
tiny, I don't even know what those

little dug dugout kind of canoes
are cold over there, but, uh, yeah.

Pros.

Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

Looking for Crocs.

Yeah.

Man.

And Crocs, we did that.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

And the Crocs are larger
than the boats that you're

Jesse Reardon: in.

Oh yeah.

It's, and it's a legit fishing
community and you know, we get in

these boats and it's, uh, yeah.

It's, it's funny at the time is it though?

You know, but , like it's legit and
all the guys are laughing at you, but

these guys do it every day, right?

Yeah.

So they're happy.

And then I remember we
got a crock at that one.

That one lake.

And you know it, we took some meat back
and cooked it, but the whole village

got the meat and took the leather every
square inch of that gets used there.

Travis Bader: Wasn't there a
hippo charge as well that you

were supposed to be in front

Jesse Reardon: of?

Yeah, hippo charge.

Hippo charge was good.

So tell me about that.

Uh, yeah, it was good.

There's always, uh, we were actually after
hippos, and again, I'm like, you know,

that's weird around hippos, but when we
did get Hippo, that hippo fed literally

a little village for a month, right?

Mm.

They used again, every square inch of it.

Yeah.

But it's just, uh, the, the
rulers never get between

hippos and, uh, land and water.

Okay.

So we, we kind of walked around
looking for hippos on land.

Yeah.

Filmed a couple.

They were a little small.

Jim was after a bigger bowl.

Hmm.

And then I was just
filming them, walking away.

There's these awesome white
birds, you know, I was like,

oh, that's kind of a cool shot.

And I could hear stuff all of a sudden
in my headphones on the left side, I was

like, oh, that sounds like a something.

And I hit pause with, on a
full zoom on the, uh, camera.

Yeah.

Anyways, the hippo came flying
out and I hit record as I was

running back and pulling wide
on the, those old tape cameras.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And yeah, I almost smoked them,
but it would've got me, cuz

technically I was the fourth guy.

They all moved and he went there.

I don't know.

I dunno.

Maybe it would've got me, I
would've hopefully jumped outta

the way or someone would've shot.

But who knows?

It happens quick.

Like yeah, the charges happen quick.

It happened with an elephant as well.

Yeah.

Um, that was insane.

Yeah.

And again, hunting elephants.

Yes.

Really bad.

And it's very restricted
and stuff for sure.

Um, but yeah, we just happened upon 'em
and it was just bad place, bad time.

And they're very aggressive.

So the pH had to step in for
us, which was unfortunate.

And, uh, a couple other charges.

Uh, hunting, uh, the, yeah.

Elephants in, uh, jungles of Cameroon too.

Travis Bader: Got, I remember
seeing some video footage.

I, I

Jesse Reardon: jumped back
pretty hard on that one.

Who, what's that?

The one in Cameroon.

I jumped back pretty hard on.

Yeah.

Just, it was just a random Yeah.

Bad incident.

But yeah.

Travis Bader: I remember seeing
a video footage you and a blind

and it was a Oh, with the Lion?

Lion.

Oh yeah.

And you could like, hear the breath

Jesse Reardon: of the thing.

Oh yeah.

That was insane.

So like, you're hunting whitetail,
you'd get in in the dark, right?

Yeah.

So we did that with the lion and
yeah, the lion came in and was

roaring around our, the area.

And then he walked right up to our blind.

You could just see it like right when
it's starting to get bright, like almost

you can hear the birds coming, you know?

And yeah, he walked right up
to the blind and Jim and the pH

said, Jim said, don't f and move.

I was like, Ugh.

And that's the only time I felt,
uh, true fear actually in my life.

Cuz um,

Travis Bader: walk me through it.

What was it like?

True fear, the

Jesse Reardon: whole experience.

Oh, I was, I was done.

I just, all I could see, I, I
couldn't hit record cuz you'd see

the light and it was too dark.

Anyways, cameras didn't pick up, but
the line came right to the blind.

Like, here's the opening of the blind.

Right?

Yeah.

Like, and my tripod camera's right there.

So I just hid behind my, um, camera
and I was like shaking like this.

And then the lion, um, he circled
us and the hyenas had eaten

in the corner of the blind.

So we had all these trees there and he
is going through it and he's kind of,

and he is like roaring right there,
like crazy, crazy psycho line, right?

I, I was just shaking.

Jim's like, like I couldn't move cuz he
is literally got five zippers, right?

Yeah.

That's all he has to do.

Anyways, then he went out and went off and
ran off and was freaking out in the trees.

It was, yeah, it was quite an experience.

. No kidding.

Yeah.

Opened

Travis Bader: my eyes.

I, I've been deer hunting and
had mountain lion not that close.

Oh, wow.

Not that close, but heard it off.

Uh, I, I never saw it, but
I could hear the thing.

The screech.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

And it just kept doing it
and doing it and doing it.

And I'm sitting there in the, uh, in
the freezing cold sitting there waiting.

I'm like, okay, I'm not gonna
be, I'm gonna sit still.

I'm not gonna keep making
my deer noises anymore.

And, um, uh, but you know, you're,
you're there with the rifle and I've

got a sense that this thing's probably
about 50 yards out on me, and it

was just kind of doing its thing.

Yeah.

I wasn't feeling, um, like,
and it was pitch black, right?

Yeah.

But, uh, early.

. Yeah.

I wa I wasn't feeling, I'm sure
what I would be feeling if that

thing was inches away from my face.

Yeah.

And all I've got between
me and it is a camera.

Like do you have a firearm with you?

With you?

No, but

Jesse Reardon: I had like, like the guy I
was with, Mike fell, he's like next level.

So you're, yeah.

He's right there, there with a el, like
he's there with an elephant gun and shock.

He's there with a mu loader.

Right.

Um, yeah, I just, I, yeah, I've
never, I always felt comfortable

filming, even like, uh, in the
Yukon filming moose and stuff.

I'd always felt comfortable
behind those guys.

Yeah.

Mojo shocky.

Um, yeah.

But I, yeah.

Other people, when I go film, like
friends and stuff, I'm like, I

should probably have a rifle with me.

. No.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

Well, they're pretty well
accomplished in what they do.

Yeah.

So you get this footage, not only
are you like creative director,

you're cameraman, then you gotta
go back and edit it, it all.

Okay.

Jesse Reardon: So at
this is what happened.

So it was in Africa and had all
these close calls, like Yeah.

Had the elephant thing and had the,
uh, almost got eaten by a lion.

Al you know, pretty close calls, you know,
did the lake swam with the, the Crocs.

Um, meanwhile my wife was home
pregnant with our first child.

Hmm.

So I'm like, so

Travis Bader: your head's there.

Jesse Reardon: Oh yeah, my head's
there, but it's the 45 day trip too.

And we were hunting red stag in Turkey
and there was like hunting dinosaurs.

It was crazy.

They were like running deer.

And anyways, it was, it was a good push.

I loved it cause I wanted to
travel on like the best job ever.

But when you do have, uh, family and.

And, uh, responsibilities.

Mm.

You have to kind of, uh, yeah.

Figure it out.

So that's what I did.

I, I called.

Yeah, we, that's when, um, I said,
we need to get a new cameraman on

board and I gotta focus on hunt veers.

Right.

Gotta answer your

Travis Bader: question.

Well, I was just talking
about the editing, I guess.

So you had a new cameraman on board

Jesse Reardon: and you're Yeah, so I, I
focused more on doing how and lens Okay.

And North America stuff.

I'd film like a little
bit, like local trips.

Mm-hmm.

, but going on the dangerous stuff
I focused on, uh, just edit.

So basically cameraman would.

You know, Jim would go on these
trips and he'd come back and we'd

figure out how many episodes we
had to make out of that footage.

Um, back then it was, um, we went from
13 shows a year to 26 shows a year to 20

shows a year, and he was on for 17 years.

Like, that's more in mash?

No, I don't know if MASH
was longer than that.

I, I'm trying to think of an
old show he'd like, like Mash or

Travis Bader: or like, I think
MASH was pretty long, wasn't it?

I don't know.

Married with children.

What would he watch?

Probably, probably more than
Married With the children.

Yeah.

I

Jesse Reardon: don.

Um, Al Bundy, but it lasted 17 years.

And

Travis Bader: was it four
touchdowns to the single game

Po Kai ? Was that what it was?

Or was the three touchdowns, I dunno,

Jesse Reardon: anyways.

Yeah.

But yeah, edit editing was, um, it
was, it was a, you know, that's where

you sit down, you get, you gotta be
a healthy, try to stay healthy cuz

I, I, I preferred be in the bush
and filming or being out there.

Um, but I also pretty picky editor,
um, in terms of telling stories

and just like really chopping down
footage and using the good stuff and,

um, entertaining people and telling
stories with good music and good cuts.

Yeah.

So

Travis Bader: when you're looking, so
good cuts, uh, Establishing shots, wide

angle, uh, zoom in stuff like I, I watch.

Yeah.

Like we're looking around the studio here.

We got a couple little cameras
and the camera front and Yeah.

I've tried my hand at doing some filming.

I realize that there's way better people
out there at doing that, but I'm sure

if I got some basics of, um, like we
did a, a rafting trip down the Thompson,

me and a couple of friends, and we,
um, I got a whitewater raft, another

fells, um, did some search and rescue.

So we borrowed their, uh,
their rowing frame for it.

Yeah.

And we spent a week just going a
hundred K down the river and Sweet.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a, uh, where's the

Jesse Reardon: footage?

Travis Bader: Well, it's, it's
sitting on my hard drives.

Right.

. Nice.

So actually Cannon had lent me
a, uh, a camera at the time.

What?

Yeah, they, they're just based
outta here in, in Richmond.

They're, oh yeah.

Nice.

So they're like, oh, you gotta check
out this new R six camera and Oh, nice.

I was like, no, no, no.

I, I've been using the 5G Mark four
and I had the 5G Mark two before

and said, no, this new digital
one, you're really gonna like it.

I don't think they knew I was
gonna be taking it for a week,

just floating down a river.

Yeah.

Uh, and then I took it into
the Yukon and we took a little

boat down Tesla and, oh, Tesla.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was, uh, I did do got a nice

Jesse Reardon: moose.

Yeah, I did a Tesla.

I filmed the Tesla moose hunt.

Did you really?

Last year.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

So in 2021.

Yeah.

So buddy of mine, actually,
he's just recovering right now.

He's, um, uh, gave us all quite a scare.

He is a helicopter pilot and, uh, yikes.

Uh, anyways, um, a few months ago,
he, um, Yeah, I guess it's about a

month and a half now, two months ago.

Um, he's lives in the Yukon.

He was, uh, taking his
quad home on the side.

I guess he figured he'd
make a splash in the puddle.

And next thing you know,
he cracked his skull open.

His, uh, uh, punctured his lung.

Oh, man.

Um, had broke, broken clavicle.

Yeah, no, they had had him intubated
for quite a long time and we, we weren't

too sure kind of how that work out.

But, uh, anyways, he's, he's in
the recovery stage right now, but

he's helicopter pilot and he says,
you know, I've, I've seen this,

um, Uh, cow, moose and previous
trips and there's a certain area.

Yeah.

Why, why don't we just take a,
our, my little uh, 16 foot Lund

with a little 60 horsepower,
two-stroke outboard on this thing.

And uh, we'll take it from the Yukon down
to the BC side where you're at and Nice.

Yeah, it was my fast

Jesse Reardon: down the Tesla Uhhuh . Oh,

Travis Bader: nice.

Yeah.

It was the fastest, uh,
moose hunt I've ever done.

We got, uh, the hard, hard part
was getting all the way out there.

Yeah.

Cuz that lake can pick up.

And, uh, I went up there with my
wife and with his partner and he

set up a little camp on a tiny
island as our bear protection, even

though a bear could swim over there.

No problem.

But hopefully, hopefully it's a bit
of, uh, A deterrent to dispute it.

Oh yeah.

And uh, we're finally, we get out there,
we got everything set up we're doing,

just sitting on a little island scope
and like, is that a moose over there?

I don't know.

Let's go over.

So we'll do a little, took the boat over
to, we call it the mainland and Yeah.

Stocked on over.

Sat down and watched.

No, no, it's not a moose.

Okay.

Waited four hours out.

Waam moose.

There we go.

Cow bull.

Wow.

Yeah.

Nice.

Yeah.

So that was, uh, and that was a long shot.

I probably shouldn't say how long that
was on uh, o on the air, but that was

the, uh, the longest shot that I've taken
an animal from . And um, it was, um, I

don't, had we known, we had it ranged.

Yeah.

One, one in the party, I
won't name names, ranged the.

Uh, arranged the moose and, uh,
in inappropriately, maybe they

picked up on something else.

Yeah.

And uh, my wife who spotted it
says, well, it's a bit far from me.

I'm like,

Jesse Reardon: probably
the cameraman messed it up.

I think it was a cameraman.

Just always blame on the cameraman.

Yeah.

Even if you don't have a camera man.

Actually, I think the
person's name is Jesse.

Yeah.

Everyone's a cameraman.

, they messed everything up.

Just use an iPhone.

Travis Bader: Ah, damn camera man.

But that's cool.

Yeah.

Anyways, I look at him, I'm
like, ah, looks a little further.

I'm gonna aim higher.

And I just, um, uh, maybe it was
luck that I, that I hit it, but, um,

Jesse Reardon: how, how was the pack out?

Travis Bader: Uh, it was,
uh, it was a few trips out.

Yeah.

Uh, we were able to, cuz we got that.

Got it.

Uh, got it out, took care
of it in the morning.

Yeah.

Um, uh, got it out onto a tarp, dragged
all the, the guts away from it in

the hopes that anything, any predator
coming by will maybe want that.

Right.

Yeah.

Um, and then made a little, couple
fires around it and do our best to

get our scent all over the area.

Yeah.

I come back in the
morning, took care of it.

Cuz I mean we were in, you
know the area, it's grizzly

Jesse Reardon: country.

Yeah.

First grizzly I ever
filmed was on a, on a kill.

That was intense.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

Yeah.

Tell me

Jesse Reardon: about it.

Yeah.

We were with muzzle loader and
with a rifle backup and yeah.

It was just the grizzly was sitting there.

Uh, he had, he'd, he'd at
that point buried it Okay.

And he could sense us.

So he was sitting there,
uh, pounding it mm-hmm.

and he was just sitting there
looking out drooling like crazy

cuz he could sense us in there.

And we were in high willows.

Yeah.

Trying to find a, a mound to
kind of get a good shot at him.

About 80 yards.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was intense.

80 yards on the grizzly.

Yeah.

That was the first, first,
uh, thing I ever filmed.

First animal I'd ever filmed.

Shock he.

.
Travis Bader: Yeah.

Did it go down right away?

Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: Okay.

But pH that was intense.

80 yards is close on it.

Cruise.

Yeah.

Especially with the muzz loader.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

. But yeah.

Uh, you talked about long shots.

Like we always tried for filming.

It was always trying to get close
as Right, like tried to keep

it under a hundred if we could.

Cuz we were used to kind, it was
kind of like muzz or distance.

Right.

We always tried to try, tried to get
to under a hundred except for when

all of a sudden I'd be filming with
like a guy with a client and we're

suddenly, they're like 250, 300.

I'm like, dude, we could have

.
We

Travis Bader: got, we could have

Jesse Reardon: got closer.

Yeah.

He was coming down to us
like we, the winds, you know?

Yeah.

I was always thinking about filming.

Right.

Not hunting until I finally had put,
picked up a rifle or a bow myself.

Travis Bader: So yeah.

Jim got you into hunting.

Totally.

What was your first hunt you did with him?

First hunt I did with Jim?

Yeah.

Would would that be your first hunt?

Jesse Reardon: No, no.

I started, he just got me, he,
he opened my curiosity to it.

Okay.

And he kind of, uh, helped me
appreciate what it was actually about.

Okay.

It was about, you know,
going out, having fun.

Um, you learn a lot about the dudes or
the, the people you hunt with or the, the

late, you know, your wife or whatever.

Yep.

You learn a lot out there about each
other, and your, the phones are way,

the screens are way, and you work
for your, for what you, you know,

you work for what you bring mm-hmm.

and you use all the meat, all this stuff.

It was all about that.

So, yeah.

And for me, I've always liked fishing
and I, you know, if I catch a salmon,

if I catch a aling cod, if I get a cod
on the island here, I'm gonna keep it.

And if I, I usually wanna
catch a bigger fish.

Sure.

So it's like, you know, some
people want to get a bigger deer.

Okay.

Yep.

You know, they.

They're not necessarily trophy hunting,
they're just, they want to enjoy,

like, why would you end your hunt?

Or why would you end your, if fishing
open for three months, a year, why would

you like be fished out or hunting it?

Like, you know?

Right.

It's nice to enjoy the hunt and,
and I get, it's all about meat and

getting the meat, but it's, uh, yeah.

I don't know where I'm going with that,

Travis Bader: but I, I, well,
the actual pulling of the

trigger, that's, that's that.

Jesse Reardon: And yeah.

And there's a lot of responsibility
that goes once you do pull that trigger.

Right.

You

Travis Bader: can't call that shot back.

Can't call with shot.

You gotta make sure it's an ethical shot.

You gotta make sure that, uh, you're
gonna be able to retrieve and in, in all

Jesse Reardon: the wrecks,
deal with everything you Yeah.

Deal with it and make sure everything
that you can use gets used and,

but it's a good way to eat.

Travis Bader: It's a fantastic way.

Some of the best meals are just
sitting around the campfire.

Yeah.

With a cast iron, some butter
and tenderloins and Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: So it's just, it's natural.

Good way to eat.

So yeah, it's almost like, uh,
eating healthy in terms of meat.

Travis Bader: But you did a
film hunt with Jim, didn't you?

I

Jesse Reardon: did.

So that Shocky finally let
me, um, he almost let me hunt

a whitetail like years ago.

Yeah.

Because back then we used to film,
um, cameraman and other people, like

kind of that worked with Jim just
hunted in Whitetail cuz you could

get a whitetail tag pretty easy.

Right.

So I got one, one season,
didn't get anything.

Anyways, he let me, uh, he let me shoot
a caribou in the, in the covid year.

And that was a nice fucking caribou.

That was a nice caribou.

It was a Jesse Bowl.

He called it The Jesse Bowl.

Yeah.

Jesse Bowl.

Which is like a, just a
nice respectable animal.

Yeah.

, the whole hunt.

It's not a Jimbo.

No, it's not a Jimbo.

I heard about the Jimbo.

He almost put me on a Jimbo.

Yeah.

Actually he did.

Yeah, but wo Joe.

Got it.

Yeah.

It was like a 4 0 4 24 or something.

Yeah.

Mountain Caribou.

Yeah.

But mine was like a nice, Jesse Bulls,
like a . Not that you score stuff, but

you know, I, I brought home that meat,
the Caribou, and then wo Joe, uh, let

me bring home half, uh, his moose.

So That's okay.

Good stuff.

You know, I'm not, I'm not definitely
not a hardcore hunter, but, uh, I

just, you know, enjoy being out there.

It's a good, uh, good thing for the head.

Where was the caribou?

The kids Caribou's Yukon.

Okay.

Up at Jim's camp.

Um, yeah, it was really good.

It was a nice bowl.

It was, yeah, it was nice.

Didn't let me shoot it.

And then we, uh, did a couple episodes
on the Shock Therapy with that.

Yeah.

So when Hunt Ventures ended, we,
we kind of wanted to, um, figure

out a way to conserve the footage
and, uh, you know, rehash it.

So we came up with this concept.

Doing like a podcast like you're doing.

Yeah.

But um, bringing back old guests that
were part of Hunted Ventures Yukon

Uncharted, uncharted guides, people
that in the industry, and they sit

there and talk with Jim and they
rehash the footage that we had on file.

How's Shock Therapy going?

Pretty good.

I think it's going in
the season three maybe.

Yeah, I did most of the season one and
then a bit of season two I ended my, uh,

career with on, uh, the, I wanted to do
the last four Todd Bisson in episodes.

Yeah.

So I did those.

He was Todd Bisson, the guy, the cameraman
who filled in when I kind of stepped

down when I, um, started having babies
, and, uh, yeah, that was, that was good.

I, I did wanna do the Bojo episodes,
but I didn't quite make it there.

Travis Bader: That looks
like a, a tough show to edit.

Yeah.

Just because it's cut after cut after
cut and then find the right clips to

put in and, and then cut, cut, cut.

Jesse Reardon: In the end,
it looks really simple, but.

No, you can keep it super simple, but if
you're really trying to, you're basically

trying to match a visual to almost
every clip, every two to three seconds.

And then you have to search for it all.

Yeah, search for it.

And then you get to also, we on
those, we'd cut into the, uh,

actual episode really quick.

Mm-hmm.

and some of the older shows
you're dealing with mixed audio.

Other ones, you're not
dealing with mixed audio.

So like you have four channel audio
where you could separate the music.

And then other ones you're
bringing in music Right.

Attached to like, it's
old school, you know?

So

Travis Bader: as, as cameraman,
are you also the audio person?

Jesse Reardon: Well, yeah.

For Shocky, for those trips
you were, because you were just

like, it was just one cameraman.

For some of the other stuff it was two,
but all you just had wireless mic and

shotgun, or you always listen on he.

So yeah, they all for Wow.

For audio guys it was a disaster.

Yeah.

So eventually, like I used to do
everything and then like no audio,

like I just submit with my audio mix.

And then eventually we got a audio
guy to start mixing the shows.

Yeah.

And then he'd provide us with the,
you could separate all the wave files.

Yeah.

So you could separate the mix,
you could separate sound effects.

And so I'd get that in the end.

Plus you get the stereo mix, you

Travis Bader: know, very first good stuff.

Episode of the Silvercore podcast that
I recorded, it was all single track.

Jesse Reardon: Oh, it's all
like, everything's mixed in

Travis Bader: stereo mix stuff.

One single track.

We had three people.

Uh, it was, uh, myself, a couple
friends, Paul and Nick, and they're

both retired Vancouver for police.

And when one was talking, the
other one was sitting there

breathing in the microphone.

And I couldn't get rid of that because I.

I had it all on one track.

And so right after that
I'm like, forget this.

I gotta go out and do multi-track.

Yeah.

But when I first started editing, I
know one fellow in particular, visually

you could see on the wave form.

Mm-hmm.

, every time that he would
talk, you'd go, oh, no.

Like before he 20, youd
see his little tick mark.

Mm-hmm.

. So I'd go through and I'd, I'd remove all
the ticks because I wanna make sure that

my guest comes across in the best way
or someone's got a lot of ums and ahs.

I'd go through and edit all
of those out and fade 'em.

It took forever.

I have a secret for that.

. Okay, let's hear it.

I'm not, I don't do it anymore, but

Jesse Reardon: what's the secret?

Oh, I have to cut out so
many ums and ahs still.

What's the secret?

I'm obsessing.

It's those little markers you get.

Oh yeah.

Travis Bader: You can read an, um, you

Jesse Reardon: just mark it, mark
the heck of that, that timeline.

Then you go through and chop off the
heck of it, and then you go through

delete it all, and then you just take
that timeline and you sink it down.

Yeah.

It's a nightmare.

But I mean, I've created a lot of crazy
sentence sentences, uh, chopped stuff up.

It's not, I, I wouldn't
say edited is very fun.

I'm trying to look at new,
uh, new things to do now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well,

Travis Bader: um, I guess what I
was getting at was, did you find

yourself doing a lot of things
that later on you thought like,

why the hell am I doing this?

Like, for me, I would, I would very
carefully edit the audio so that no

one could hear where those tick marks,
where the ums were or anything else.

So you could see an, um,
it looks like a fish.

Yeah.

Essentially in, uh, in
audition or in your wave form.

Mm-hmm.

and I'd, and I'd scrub 'em all out.

, but my style changed.

Yeah.

And I figured I'll just talk better and
I'll train myself to stop doing that.

Yeah,

Jesse Reardon: nice.

But then you get random guests
who say, um, um, um, or they

have a word whisper or something.

Yeah, word whisper.

Yeah.

But yeah, you get, you get kind of
good at your craft and I just got

fast that no one I, I got fast cuz
so after we had a bunch of cameramen

and you know, Matt Zil really took on
seven, eight years of filming Shocky.

Yeah.

He's probably like, he's
like, he's probably the goat.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's, he's next level.

He's got a wicked uh,
yeah, he's really good.

Anyways, so you get used to working
with the camera has footage, right?

Yeah.

So you get really quick at your job, you
get really quick at chopping Jim up, you

know, but when you get the random guy.

, then

Travis Bader: it's, you just

Jesse Reardon: have a,
that process that just

Travis Bader: What about a 32 bit float?

Is that, uh, something you use in your

Jesse Reardon: audio or No?

I, I, I send my audio
to the audio guy now.

Oh.

But I do get smart.

I don't like, I still for,
for sh the show I did.

Yeah.

Okay.

So he'd get the final, next,
Mixo is perfect for tv.

Awesome.

So he'd blend everything nice together.

Yeah.

But I'd still get a good blend.

But to me it sounded good.

.
Travis Bader: Yeah.

What, what would you tell somebody if
they want to go out there and start kind

of filming their own, any equipment?

What are the, what are the must haves?

Jesse Reardon: Hmm.

Well, definitely good
gear for the weather.

Travis Bader: Okay.

, like a GoPro there.

Waterproof

Jesse Reardon: or, well, no.

Yeah, so I mean, yeah.

You know, GoPro, I didn't use much.

I mean, if you can get a
good GoPro mount for sure.

Set that up as a wide angle, but.

Honestly, you could, you could,
honestly, the iPhones are so good

these days, but I wouldn't say that.

But it depends.

If you're a Cannon guy, Sony
guy, I use the Sonys now.

So the Sony a S 73 is pretty good.

And yeah, Sony FX six and
Sony Fs, this and that.

Just cuz

Travis Bader: you got into their system.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

Rid that.

But the biggest thing is just
documenting and telling the story.

Mm-hmm.

. And then when you see the wildlife,
don't spook it and, uh, try and

capture the best of your abilities,
but the B and getting good audio.

So you need, you need that wireless mic.

Yeah.

And you need sound bites in, in the field.

Like if you got, if you're doing
it properly, like if you went on

the Yukon, you could sit down and
interview everybody now, right?

Mm-hmm.

. Or you can sit down and
interview during the trip.

Now you got stuff to put
your footage on with music.

Right.

Otherwise you don't have
good audio, good talking.

You got just, it's like
a montage at that point.

That's a good point.

You gotta tell a story.

That's a good point.

You gotta interview and then
if you get, if you interview

while they're out there mm-hmm.

. while you're getting the
reels where they come back.

It's kind of contrived reality

Travis Bader: where
it's a brilliant point.

I don't know why I
didn't think about that.

So I got a whole bunch of footage
without any interview on it.

So you Yeah, you, how are you gonna make
I'm not gonna do, that's why it's sitting

Jesse Reardon: on a hard drive.

Yeah.

So if you have sound bites,
sound bites are good.

Yeah.

That's what you need sound bites.

Okay.

But good quality, like
this is good sound bite.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But if you have a wireless mic on
somebody out there, but it, yeah.

Travis Bader: I got lab mics.

I just have to bring

Jesse Reardon: them, bring 'em
and then just sit down during

the day or whatever and say, Hey
guys, I just wanna interview you.

Huh.

Downtime or whatever.

Or get 'em to do a diary

Travis Bader: camera every day.

I wonder if there'd be
any interest in that.

I mean, I was just doing it for my
own personal interest and nothing

that I think, yeah, I probably would.

Who knows?

I'll uh, play around a bit, maybe get

Jesse Reardon: an
interview cuz then you had

Travis Bader: sound bites.

That's a good idea.

So what's the craziest Jim Shocky
story that you're allowed to share?

Jesse Reardon: Mm.

I think Cody Robbins, he, uh, he was at
Bear Camp and he brought his underwear.

. Like he had his Bear Camp underwear and he
like, I think he wrapped Jim's pillow in

it when Jim came back from Bear Camp Kind.

Oh my God.

It was like a two week old pair
of underwear and he put it in

Jim's pillow and I think Jim might
have slept on it for a few days.

So , no, I don't have
any crazy gym stories.

I mean, kind of a couple funny ones,
but I don't know if I can tell 'em.

Yeah, they, he was, he
was class act though.

He was always good.

Um, I was always panicking about missing
the shot and stuff like that in Turkey.

I remember waking up to
him saying, are you on him?

I was like, what?

You, you woke up?

I woke up.

Cause it was totally jet leg and we
were, they were pushing bush and for

Turkey and yeah, get these deer out.

I'm like, that's not gonna,
we're not gonna get a deer.

We haven't seen a deer in five days.

Anyways, I just fell asleep and I just
wake up to Jim saying, are you on him?

Are you on him?

I'm like, what?

The good answer is yes, I am.

So yeah, there's a couple
good stories, but um, . Yeah.

I really liked the, uh, Howell
and stuff was my favorite stuff

to film, and it's fun to watch.

It was fun to watch,
and they were genuine.

Um, I learned a lot from them and yeah,

Travis Bader: it was good.

They seemed to really like each other.

Jesse Reardon: They did, and
they, we'd, we kind of feed 'em a

bit of, kind of bit of lines and
they'd roll with it, but Okay.

But , they were just, they were
just, they were very humble man.

So yeah, that's what made 'em legit.

And they, and they loved, uh, the
outdoors and hunting, even though

they hunted in their jeans and.

Lumber

Travis Bader: jacket more edible,
have been taken in blue jeans

and plaid jackets and have in any
fancy goretex, I'm sure of that.

Totally,

Jesse Reardon: totally.

And, and so now I'm working on,
I've done a bit of work with Manny

Wild, which is a, a new TV series.

He's going to season two right

Travis Bader: now.

Tell me about that one, because I,
I've been seeing that in the periphery.

Guy looks pretty hardcore.

Jesse Reardon: He's totally hardcore.

He is legit.

Yeah.

He's, uh, I think he's Greek
and he is from, uh, Australia.

Born and raised in Australia,
but he is like a restaurateur.

He had like Michelin
star restaurants and Wow.

He, guidance services and all that.

And so he fishes and hunts all around
the world, but at the end of each chef.

So he, he cooks at like master
chef, like Gordon Ramsey style.

That's cool.

On the spot.

That's really cool.

And it's good.

And he's, and he is legit.

So he's doing that.

And I've been, I was able to go film,
uh, in the Idaho with, uh, Chuck Liddell.

Yeah.

Which was weird.

Yeah.

Uh, Rocky Mountains.

Yeah.

Chuck Liddell horseback.

And that was, that was pretty funny.

.
Travis Bader: I, I like that whole
concept of, uh, incorporating the

food, the cooking part into the Yeah.

The hunt, because that's, that's
such a big part of the conversation

when it comes into hunting.

I know Kevin Cowin and Paul
Rodowski, they've got a show,

uh, from the Wild mm-hmm.

and it's, um, it's a really good one.

And they got, uh,

Jesse Reardon: is that the one that's on

Travis Bader: your link tree?

You got it.

Yeah.

And Les Strode.

Um,

Jesse Reardon: yeah, that's,
that show looks really good.

It's awesome.

I, I only saw the trailer
cuz I just saw it like

Travis Bader: yesterday.

I love those yesterday guys.

They're su, super down to earth
and, uh, Chris Paul Rogowski,

he's got, um, uh, I don't know if
it's a Michelin star, but it's an

award-winning, it's a Rouge restaurant.

Um, an award-winning restaurant.

He's a chef and yeah, of course
everyone knows the survivor

man, Les Stroud and yeah.

Kevin Cowin.

He use beautiful cinematography
that he puts together.

Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: So it's like the Yeah.

The, the look and feel.

That show is epic.

So those guys are using good cameras,
like so they're documenting the

outdoors with Yeah, but don't,

Travis Bader: don't at the cameras.

Honestly, I talking with Kevin, I,
I don't get the sense that they're

going too crazy with the cameras.

Like they got, you know, got a
couple good cameras out there.

It's, but it's about the shot composition
and about, uh, having a good eye for it.

Yeah.

Which he, he does,

Jesse Reardon: right.

Just like, and then telling the
story with the editing too, right?

Yeah.

And they have interviews.

They have interviews.

Look at that trailer.

It's all interviews.

Yes, they do.

They have interviews.

It's interviews with music, and
then smart, the nice cuts on top.

Travis Bader: So having that food
portion of the whole thing, I think

reaches just a, a primal level in people,
but a much wider audience as well.

And it introduces the concept of
hunting as opposed to co-opting that

responsibility onto a butcher or,
or an ABA avatar or somewhere else.

Mm-hmm.

, uh, of the more intimate relationship
with the food essentially, and

that whole story that goes with it.

I really like that concept.

So I'm

Jesse Reardon: No, it's a good concept.

And honestly like, um, I
came into this green, right?

Yeah.

I liked fishing.

I just go to the store and buy my meat.

Yeah.

Um, my wife's a vegetarian.

. She's not like hardcore vegan,
like, but yeah, she's a vegetarian,

but she eats, uh, like fish.

Okay.

Um, but she gets it.

Yeah.

Like she understands why hunting is good.

Yeah.

And it works if it's done.

Uh, not a, like, you know, all
these guys think of hunters as

these typical crazy rednecks.

Yeah.

Sorry, I shouldn't say that.

They're shooting their guns off and
drinking beers, you know, I mean,

there, there are those guys out there.

It does happen.

But that's not a hunter.

No, no.

That's just someone partying and
having fun who's allowed to have Right.

But, but yeah, it's, yeah.

It's all part of clean eating really.

And it's, um, I think it's
pretty cool to see these cooks,

like you mentioned, do that.

Yeah.

Like, cuz I love cooking.

I, you know, my, I'm always getting in
trouble for like, using extra ingredients.

I'm like, well we have cilantro, we
have this one we're not throwing on.

It looks good too.

Right.

So it's nice to Yeah.

So I, I can get behind someone who's
do has, you know, That behind it about

getting the animal and then showing a
wicked meal you can make with it and, and

then using it, giving it to the community.

Travis Bader: I, I think that's
the vehicle to the masses.

Mm-hmm.

, I mean, for those who would be, uh,
anti-hunting or against hunting.

Yeah.

And rather than always
preaching to the choir.

Yeah.

That food section.

Uh, Hank Shaw, I don't know if you've
ever, uh, read some of his stuff.

He's got a James Beard
award-winning website.

Uh, no, I'll check it out.

Blog.

Yeah.

He's, uh, hunter Angler.

Gardener Cook or Chef
Hunter Angler Garden.

Yeah.

Honest food.net, I think is
what his, uh, website's called.

Yeah.

Um, does a fantastic job.

Him and his and his partner,
Holly, just both photographing

and documenting, writing about the
process of procuring wild food.

It, and I think it's popularity that he
has there is because it's not just about

hunting, it's not just about fishing.

It's not just, but it's about that whole
process and how we're connected to it.

Yeah.

Jesse Reardon: It's kind
of a lifestyle too, right?

It's a lifestyle choice.

Like some people aren't into it.

Like, trust me, I love going to Costco.

Sure.

The steelhead there is great.

Yeah.

and it's farmed, but I don't know.

, is that bad?

I think it's farmed.

I don't know.

But it's good.

It's like good steelhead, but I
can't, I can fish steelhead on

the island, but I can't keep 'em.

Right.

So anyways, but I, I, I don't mind
going to, yeah, I, I don't mind going to

get, you know, salmon flas or something
like Costco or Meat flas, but you

Travis Bader: talk about the lifestyle,
but I think everyone's got a lifestyle of.

eating and drinking.

Yeah, totally.

Yeah.

Right.

Jesse Reardon: They, they want,
but they, they can just go to the

store and buy the meat and Yeah.

And then they're like, well, I can't
believe you'd hunt, like you'd shoot that.

I'm like, well, it's like you just
went like, can I see your freezer?

And you're like, where'd you get this?

Like, where'd that come from?

And Right.

What someone had to shoot things
like, they didn't have that freedom

of life that these wild game have.

So it's tricky.

It's a tricky one to sometimes work with.

Um, yeah.

Travis Bader: So where do you see yourself

Jesse Reardon: in the future?

Well, you know, I had, I've always
had this concept in my head.

I, I, I don't quite know how I'm gonna
pull it off, but I've made TV for

lots of years and, and, uh, worked
for these guys making their shows

or helping 'em make their shows.

But, you know, I've always kind of
had in the back of my head some sort

of phish and show idea, but I just,
ah, just don't know if, uh, you know,

the, the logistics of, uh, of getting
something going are, are tricky, but,

You know, like I, I remember
growing up fishing a lot, right.

And, uh, everyone usually when Yeah,
like fishing, fishing with my dad.

Yeah.

Right.

And again, fishing with my dad was
more my dad drinking with his buddies,

and I'm holding the fishing rod.

Unfortunately, for me, that's what it was.

Right.

And, uh, I also just went back to Ontario
this summer and I revisited some of

the spots my grandpa used to take me.

Mm-hmm.

, but he'd, he always packed a fishing rod.

He'd throw me at a lake,
he'd throw me at this.

He'd say, just go fish.

Yeah.

So I didn't really learn.

So then I had kids and I was
like, man, take my kids fishing.

This is awesome.

Yeah, yeah.

But I quickly realized I, I really
didn't learn much from my dad.

I didn't really learn how to fish.

Right.

So, fishing with dad is the kind of
concept and telling people's stories of

how, because how did you learn to fish?

Travis Bader: Well that growing
up we had a, um, we call it a

commercial fly fishing lodge.

It had a commercial license on it.

Yeah.

But it was never run commercially.

It was, um, uh, a geological lawyer, uh,
who was good family friend, a uh, fellow.

He owned a sporty goods store, stored
other one owned, I think it's we Canada's

largest, uh, um, brokerage company.

And, uh, . What did the other one do?

I forget.

Anyways, there's, there's four of
them involved and they're, they're

family friends and invite us up.

And then at one point, one left
and, uh, gave us the opportunity.

My family bought into a fly
fishing lodge, so Oh, sweet.

But for me, fly fishing was, you put
the fly on the end, or if nobody's

looking, you put like, I don't
know, a, uh, a treble hook or a,

uh, a spinner or something on there.

Yeah.

And you just troll behind the
boat with your fly rod out there.

Yeah, that was fly fishing.

I had no real idea how to cast
properly or how fly fishing's an art.

Oh, totally is.

And it's only in recent years
that I've really started to, uh,

kind of learn more about that.

Yeah.

But.

Like most things, if you're gonna learn
to hunt, you're gonna learn to fish.

It's going to probably because
a family member most likely has

taken you out and shown you.

Yeah.

And previously it was a
male dominated activity.

Yeah.

And so it was usually like a father or an
uncle or grandfather would take you out.

Now it's the both for sure.

Yeah.

I mean, like one of the best anglers
of the world we know provoke.

Yeah.

You got it.

Right.

Jesse Reardon: That's where I
learned about fly fishing cast, cuz

we went to film her, the idea was
to film her teaching how to cast.

Right.

Cast.

Remember that?

And man, that was, uh, next level.

That one.

Yeah.

And we filmed for three or four
days and we finally put it out.

She was six months
pregnant or something too.

Wow.

But um, yeah, it's uh, definitely an art.

And I mean, the idea for a fishing show,
I, I'm not quite sure how I'm gonna

pull it off, but in my brain I'm, I'm
starting in Hai Gwaii and I'm going to

newfound and learned to fish with my kids.

Travis Bader: That'd be an amazing show.

Yeah.

Are you

Jesse Reardon: kidding?

Needs to be filmed too.

And the thing is, I know how to film it.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

And the story behind that.

Yeah.

Because you have that background
where you wish you knew how to do it.

Only

Jesse Reardon: we had sponsors.

Travis Bader: Just need a couple

Jesse Reardon: sponsors.

Huh?

I don't know how to do it.

No.

I'm think honestly thinking
about sell my house and do it.

Yeah.

But don't tell my kids.

Well,

Travis Bader: honestly, what
do they say if you build it?

They'll come.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah, I could always come
back to the island in year if didn't

work out, but I'll have the footage.

Travis Bader: If you have that
feeling in your heart, that little

Jesse Reardon: province, you try the
lake, river Ocean along the way, you're

Travis Bader: gonna regret it.

If you don't, can you imagine?

Yeah,

Jesse Reardon: that would be Haua.

Hit Newfoundland at the end.

Have you fished Haua?

Uh, I went on a boat once
with a friend of mine yet.

Yeah.

And we tried fishing.

Didn't catch anything,
but I did deer hunt there.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: Yeah.

That was awesome.

I hear it's on scene.

I've never been, I'd love to go there.

They're allowed 10

Jesse Reardon: tags,
but there's deer every.

Travis Bader: Is it 10 or 15 ? It's crazy.

The number might

Jesse Reardon: 15 and it's not, they're
not, there's a lot of deer there.

Yeah, I did Hawaii too.

Filmed an axis.

Deer hunting.

You've accessed in Hawaii.

Which island?

Uh, Maui.

Okay.

With Shane.

Dorian.

He's a pro surfer.

That was a movie's wild that I'm
gonna have to watch that one.

That was one of the, uh,
I'd like to re-edit it.

I didn't edit it.

No, but it's fine.

They did great.

Yeah.

. But I think MAF said
there's so much footage.

They did a great job considering all
the footage that was given to them.

MAF said,

Travis Bader: um, yeah, access Deer.

Is that difficult to, to
do for a non-resident?

Like if I wanted to?

Uh,

Jesse Reardon: I think
it's pretty, I don't know.

I, I, I think there's a bit
of logistics, but not bad.

You, you need permission on you.

You might have to go with
an outfit or some sort.

Right.

Okay.

Or you need permission through someone
you know who has a far, like, we're

on some wicked huge chunk of land.

They don't have it

Travis Bader: beside ton of
access to you over there, do they?

Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

Do they, there's like 60,000 on Maui.

Travis Bader: Is there?

Really?

I, I know nothing about 'em.

I just, it's like

Jesse Reardon: Salt Spring
Island with 60,000 deer on it.

Oh

Travis Bader: my God.

They'd be getting So over here you've
heard about the guys that come with a

helicopter and they'll do culling for

Jesse Reardon: Uh, yeah.

Unfortunately.

But yeah, they have to do it.

You

Travis Bader: do?

Yeah.

For the non-native

Jesse Reardon: dear in, I'd love
to go hunt fallow deer in Sydney.

That'd be fun.

That'd be

Travis Bader: cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They typically get guys out
of New Zealand to do it.

Yeah.

And I

Jesse Reardon: worked with a lot of Kiwis.

Are you allowed to say that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Kiwis they call sells it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: Yeah, they're awesome.

Funny.

A buddy of mine, he says, you know, I
don't know why they keep getting the Kiwis

to go and do this cuz we trained them
on how to do this back in the seventies.

Yeah.

The Canadians trained the Kiwis
apparently on the, uh, shooting from

helicopters back in the seventies.

Huh.

And uh, recently speaking with them,
uh, cuz there's some more work in

progress, I'm like, hold on a second.

Why, why don't we have Canadians in there?

And they said, well, we put it
out to tender and we only had five

different companies come on back.

And not one of 'em was Canadian.

Huh.

Interesting.

. It's like, well, if I knew about that,
I probably would've put a bid in even

though, oh, uh, my, my shooting from
helicopters is pretty limited by limited.

I've never shot from a helicopter , but

Jesse Reardon: I think it's
probably an art for sure.

Travis Bader: Well, I, we used to have
to take a helicopter into the cabin.

Yeah.

First of season, get all the
old stuff out, new stuff in,

cuz it was flying or hiking.

And I'd always try and talk the pilot into
just, can you let me jump into the lake?

Can I just like, can you hover
over and just let me jump in?

And he's like, Nope, it's okay.

What if I put a rope and I
just kinda lower myself down?

That would be okay.

Right?

Nope.

So my dream of jumping out of a
helicopter is still unfulfilled.

I might have to, um, it might happen.

It might, you need to put your mind to it.

I'm gonna put it out there.

Maybe

Jesse Reardon: we can rectify that.

Yeah, I get that sponsored and the,
and then the trip from Haida Gwai,

Travis Bader: Newfoundland.

That's maybe you just jump out of
the helicopter out in Haida Gwaii and

Jesse Reardon: then Yeah.

Start there.

Yeah.

There you go.

I'll do, yeah.

Didn't.

Will Smith bungee outta that?

Did he I think he buned
out of a helicopter.

I've

Travis Bader: never had anyways,
burning desire to bungee jump.

No, I meer It just doesn't seem to have
any level of practicality behind it.

Uh, no.

Jesse Reardon: Yeah, no.

Not now that I'm 43 with kids.

,
Travis Bader: nothing makes you recognize
your own mortality like having children.

Right.

Jesse Reardon: Dear goodness.

Yeah, totally

Travis Bader: full on.

So they're gonna be getting older.

Yeah.

Uh, you're gonna have to get on this show

Jesse Reardon: pretty quick.

Well, they're so my oldest,
he's learning the hunt.

He's got a hunted license and stuff, so.

Yeah.

I mean, that's what I mean.

That's like, I gotta jump on this.

Yeah.

And I'm gonna, I, you know, It's a crazy
idea in my head because my, when I moved

to the island, my dad's buddy, his name
was Dave Plumer, we'd always go out on

his boat and he was like the old guy
who like fixed his own stuff and then

his boat always was gonna break down.

It was always like a problem
and always, always, always.

But he taught me how to
fish for cod out here.

Pretty good.

Yeah.

You know, I've gotten good at fishing
cod and stuff, but I've never, it'd be

fun to just document me with the boys
starting one and hitting like every,

not every, but hitting spots in each
province along the way and really trying

to fish and learn from the locals.

Like giving it kind of that Canadian
local, like find the hardcore

guy or the right this like, you
know, indigenous groups or Yeah.

Whatever.

Yeah, exactly.

Along the way.

And then work with them for a
few days fishing, learning their

ways, and then, oh, lot fish.

And then go to next province.

And that's all the crazy road trip

Travis Bader: and stuff too.

We should talk after this
recording because I might

have a, uh, contact for you.

Yeah, we should.

Yeah.

Um, do you have tips
on, uh, fish and link?

Jesse Reardon: Uh, , uh, people.

It's my ADHD . I go fishing with guys
and I'm like, you gotta fish those

hard, uh, the good hard reefs for sure.

Yeah.

I mean, lots of guys
catch 'em really deep too.

Yeah.

The big guys really deep,
but 2, 2, 200 plus reefs.

But I always like to fish those, uh, reefs
at like, um, 30 to 65 or 65 to a hundred.

Yeah.

Um, but , my adhd, like, I'll
drift a spot really quick on my,

I'm like, oh, there's noling here.

And we'd come back real quick now and we'd
try another reef, trying another reef.

The guys like, they always freak
out that I'm moving too quick.

Yeah.

But I, I learned from the old guy,
Dave Plumber, like, he's like, oh,

there's no fish here if you're,
if you don't bite the first 20

minutes or 10 minutes or whatever.

I've heard the

Travis Bader: same thing.

Right.

Jesse Reardon: Just move.

Like it's linger aggressive.

That's right.

If you're in that hole and it's,
you give it a couple whirls.

But yeah, I don't know.

I'm impatient, I guess.

And that's what I learned big saying I
learned about hunting was, uh, patience.

Okay.

Travis Bader: So, um, Uh, still
hunting, uh, laying up, um, stalking.

What, what do you find to be out of all?

Like, if you were just a kind of,
you, you've been on so many different

hunts, so many different animals.

Jesse Reardon: Wow.

The hardest thing to do is,
and shockey's, I always think

of sh what would Shockey do?

But, uh, the hardest thing to
do is just sit and wait for

the animal to come to you.

Mm-hmm.

, because you know it's gonna
pass through at some point.

If you sit at the wind
and blah, blah, blah.

Often we would, sometimes, cuz you
know, you're gonna make a bunch

of noise on the stock or whatever.

Like, sometimes you just gotta
figure out or hope for the best and

set up, wait for it to come to you.

Travis Bader: And how long
will you often wait for?

Oh

Jesse Reardon: man.

Me or you or Jim?

I'm a little impatient.

He'd wait, he'd wait, he'd wait
21 days if you wanted, like, yep.

Oh yeah.

Travis Bader: Okay.

Yeah.

So, so, uh, not me buddy of
mine says, well, let's go for a.

and he says, I haven't, I
haven't gotten a bear before.

You wanna go in a bear hunt?

I'm like, sure.

Not a problem.

I mean, there's some, there's
effective tactics to getting

bears said can be spot in

Jesse Reardon: stock,

Travis Bader: especially Right.

Spot in stock, right?

Yeah.

I mean, uh, just,

Jesse Reardon: or depends on the
animal, on the weight thing too.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because spot and stock is awesome.

Yeah.

Travis Bader: So, but he's from the UK
and has a background in, um, hunting

deer in the, in, its, uh, you know,
you're, you're deer stalking, right?

And you're, you're walking around
for these things, which is awesome.

Which, which is awesome.

But it, it was a, uh, I said,
well, I'll come on with you.

We can try it out.

Right.

It was a different sort of approach to
bear hunting that, um, it was interesting.

And finally we're like, you know,
like, what would you do if you saw one

just as you're coming around a corner?

Because the thing will take off on you.

Yeah.

Will you have time to identify
it and see if that's when you

want, if it's got cubs or not?

I'm like, for me, I, I prefer to,
I'll walk a logging road because.

Springtime they're gonna be out
there or you'll be in an area

where they're gonna be Yeah.

Likely and just set up and wait.

Maybe use a predator call and
have your head on a swivel

.
Jesse Reardon: Yeah.

Spot in stock bears was, I
filmed a lot of those Hunts up

island cuz Jim was a outfit.

E outfitted north, northern island.

Okay.

And uh, yeah, those were um, yeah,
lots of spot in stock and just getting

high up glassing, watching the,
the big deactivated logging roads.

Mm-hmm.

looking for that sign.

Yeah.

You know?

Sure.

But for bears it was always good win.

Yes.

And uh, yeah,

Travis Bader: it was always good.

What was your favorite thing to film?

Jesse Reardon: Well, I gotta say
film and moose and Yukon is up there.

The right is pretty unreal.

. Yeah.

But honestly, I think
it'd be the same with elk.

That's why there's crazy elk.

I didn't get many on many good elk
hunts where I had like, good, like,

ru and animals come, come to you.

Mm.

I love the blacktail on the island
because there is some big bucks

out there and, but they're just so
nocturnals, they're just hard to hunt.

But, um, yeah, moose was pretty epic.

Yeah.

Africa stuff was cool, but, um, you know,
jungles of Cameroon was pretty intense.

The bongo, that was a, that
was a really cool hunt.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bongo, it's, they're cool
looking animal antelope.

Yeah.

Really cool animal.

Yeah.

Little stripes in the North America.

It's definitely

Travis Bader: moose.

Moose, eh?

Mm-hmm.

. Well, I think, uh, so the, the closest
thing to a Yukon moose hunt would be the

Tesla one, but just on the BC side, um,
I'd love to do a full on Yukon moose hunt.

Yeah.

Maybe I should, uh, I should look
at that for, uh, next season or two.

See what we can do.

I had,

Jesse Reardon: I filmed
for, uh, uh, Yukon Harvest.

Okay.

It's on aptn.

Yeah.

I filmed one of the hunts for that.

Yeah.

On the Tesla there.

And, uh, that harvest shot was a disaster.

But I In what way?

. . Like, well, , yeah.

It was not, not the best.

It was from the boat on,
on a river, which is legal.

And yeah, I, everything was
done legally, of course.

Um, but the boat, the guide got excited.

So the, and we're drifted
on a river, right?

So he is not, the boat is turning.

Mm.

so the hunter's even going,
he's moving with, so I'm

Travis Bader: trying to
get outta the way of that

Jesse Reardon: muscle.

And I'm also trying to Oh yeah.

Also trying to film the, uh, thing.

Yeah.

. Anyways, it was a good story.

It was a, it was a 13 year old boy.

It was, uh, his first moose hunt with
his father and this mentor, and it was a,

for the native Native, it was very, yeah.

That's cool.

It's really cool.

Series Yukon Harvest.

Travis Bader: Huh?

Is there anything that we should be
talking about that we haven't covered yet?

I think we've been pretty good.

Jesse Reardon: Hey.

Yeah.

You know, I think, I feel.

Travis Bader: Okay.

Well I'm gonna Thank you.

I'm gonna throw some links up to some
of the videos if people want to see

more about you and some of the work
you've done and yeah, some of the

stuff with, uh, shock therapy and, and
Jim Shocky and I'll put it out there.

If the listeners, anyone has ideas
of, uh, perhaps sponsors for Jesse,

if they'd like, if they'd like to
see a, uh, yeah man, I'll film it.

Cross Canada fishing trip.

Cuz personally I think
it sounds fantastic.

There are so many people

Jesse Reardon: go with the boys

Travis Bader: learn to fish, right?

So many people who want to learn
how to hunt or fish and they

never had that opportunity.

Yeah.

But with today's day and age of YouTube
and social media and the rest, yeah.

It's kind of like that
teacher that you never

Jesse Reardon: have.

Well, I was gonna kind of do some
YouTube, uh, posts as I go through.

And also like when I'm in these crazy
pockets where there's like an epic

little fishing community, I'm gonna
find the father son duo and I'm gonna

spend a day with them and learn why.

You know they're in that area
and they go fish with them

for they document their date.

That's amazing.

And then they teach my boys, and
then they teach me ultimately

to teach my boys how to fish.

Right.

That's amazing.

That's where we learn
from our dads or grandpa,

Travis Bader: sorry, family dads.

Yeah.

Jesse, thank you very much for
being on the Silvercore podcast.

Yeah, thanks

Jesse Reardon: for having me.

Sorry it took to you so long and I
picked the worst day in DC to be here.

No, I mean, it's supposed
to get worse tomorrow.

Hey, it's minus six here guys.

You guys in Alberta got nothing.

.
Travis Bader: Yeah, right.

Jesse Reardon: Thank you all.