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What if the AI boom is heading for the same catastrophic crash as the 2008 housing market? In this explosive episode, Henry breaks down why he's betting against artificial intelligence, drawing chilling parallels between today's tech frenzy and th...
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Can if you owe my mind. All right, we're live. Beauty. Welcome back to the order. What are we called? Opening. Welcome back to the opening hot podcast, episode 33. 33 or 34? One of the two. Okay. It's pretty solid. Sick. Love it. Dude, we've been on a pretty solid tear lately. Yeah. Yeah. I like the scheduling. Everything kind of. Kind of flows well. Yeah. And now we've got this. Our producer, Shout Out Tao has got this system that he's been building. Yeah. And it's freaking sick. Yeah, he's got it. I mean, pretty much every kink worked out. I mean, it's pretty much. We can like, we could record at 5pm and auto and just do nothing. Just come in here, record, click, stop, record. And then it could be out on all the platforms and have social posts with clips and thumbnail and everything by 9pm Crazy. Crazy. Without actually doing anything. You can auto do it all where it'll just automatically do it. So does Tao. Just so the viewers know. So does Tao have to do anything or is that the system that he's created? It automatically does it when the podcast clicks stop. Yeah. It starts going into the next step. Wow. Which you can make it where you go in and like review it before it posts, you know, to make sure everything's good. Yeah. But you don't have to. Theoretically. Theoretically, it'll just cut it all for you. Title thumbnail, which I like to go in and kind of manipulate the title because it's just making a title based on like the conversation, stuff like that. But it's freaking sick. It also like clip stuff. Yeah. That's amazing. More like long form, short form clips. Like not like reels, but like three minutes, you know. Yeah. Which I think is good for like, it's not like an Instagram reel, but it's like, it'd be good for like Twitter or as like an Instagram post. What about a. Like a. Like a YouTube part of a YouTube video? No. Oh, like a clip. Yeah. In a vlog or something. Is it too long for that? No. And you can make it. You can make them shorter. Like some of them are like five minutes, some of them. But you can. It's literally AI. So you can just tailor it. However, like whatever content that you want. Sick. You could gather it that way. Yeah. But it's freaking dope. It's amazing. We just. We just tried to get chat set up on our. On our last pod. We were talking about how cool it would be to have like an AI system involved in the Podcast where you could ask it something and it would tell you the answer just for quickness and speed for us. Like Jamie. Like Jamie. Yeah. And we just tried to set it up before we started this pod. And we were like, okay, don't answer unless we say a specific name. And he kept like, every tip is chiming in. He's like the. Like a annoying little brother who, like, he was kind of, like, sarcastic. Did you kind of get that? I feel like he was toying with us. I would say, do not say anything. Stay silent unless we call upon your name. And we gave him a name. And then every couple minutes, he would say, I'm still here. And I would say, please shut the hell up unless we call upon you. And he said. He would say, okay, I'm silent now until you call upon me. And then five seconds later, he'd be like, I'm still here if you need me, but I'm silent until you call upon my name. And I was like, that was ridiculous, dude. Which we just tried to set it up in, like, five minutes, so I think you could dial it in. Yeah. Dude, AI is freaking weird. It's wild. It's like everyone's kind of obsessed with it now. Yeah. Like the super bowl yesterday, you see how many AI commercials there were Crazy. So many. Yeah. I saw Dove. The soap. The brand Dove. They said. They came out and said, they're anti AI. Not anti AI. They're not using AI for any content for nothing because they want to show the human aspect. So they're like, we're not using AI. They're taking a marketing, which. It's their own little marketing ploy. Because now it's like. I mean, I heard about it. Yeah. I'm a dude. That's interesting. I'm not looking at dubs marketing. That's funny. And they'll probably get a pretty solid group of people who are like, ah, I'm gonna rock with Dove. Yeah. I'm all dog. I'm all, Doves. They're anti AI. Yeah, it is. It is weird, though. I don't. So it really is true that everyone is kind of obsessed with it. Yeah. Like, everyone's kind of using it or making new things just because they. Yeah. Can use AI now it's kind of weird. Like, now you don't have to be. A. Graphic designer to be like, create a. Some kind of new template design for my shop. Yeah. And it's. It's almost like we're all becoming. We're all. Now we're all doing the same job. And it's literally just like AI Technician. Yeah. Like, we're all just using AI. Like, it's weird. It's used in all the different industries for all different things, but it's like, well, you're all kind of doing the same thing. Thing. You're just talking to AI and learning how to manipulate AI to do what you want. So it's like that's a job in its own right. And now we're all doing the same job. What does that mean? It's almost like we're becoming closer to. We're becoming sentient. Yeah. Like we're, we're becoming more like everybody does the same thing. Is that what you kind of mean? Yeah, like there's not. Oh, he's in this trade, she's in this trade. It's like, oh, we're all just in the rat race. Yeah. Like, we're all doing the same job now. We all have the same job. Like, everyone's LinkedIn is just gonna say AI technician. It doesn't matter what the industry or their end goal or whatever, because eventually AI will just do it for you. It's just about prompting it and teaching it what to do. So there's going to be like levels of AI technician. You're going to be like a AI specialist one, AI specialist two. Yeah. And like. And an industry will bring in the top AI technician. Not necessarily because they're familiar with the industry. Right. But because they're really good at talking to AI or building AI bots or building AI platforms or whatever. Yeah. It's not about the end thing anymore. It's not about the service or the product anymore. Right. It's about, how good are you at AI. I mean, really, there's levels to the AI stuff. Yeah. So it's like we're becoming the computer. Yeah. Like think 5, 10, 15 years down the road. Everyone's just. I mean, it's only been. It's only popped off in the last. I know, like, for the general public. I feel like in the last year. Yeah. And now everyone's like, get, like digging deep into the AI stuff, you know, all the different platforms and like, I still don't know anything, really. I don't either, dude. I don't. I mean. Yeah, you're farther than me. I'm nowhere, basically. There are some people, you know, they study it and it's like. Like you're saying. I mean, but like, some guys really are deep into it. Yeah. And it's like, it's a whole nother world. It's it's wild. I'm kind of nervous what's gonna happen. I mean like even just in five years, that's gonna be completely, completely different. It's a whole new world. Yeah. Literally. You know what my take is it? What? So 2008, the housing market crashed. Okay. Right? Yeah. No one thought that was going to happen except like three dudes. Yeah. And they all bet against it, right? No. No way. No way. No way. The banks and the housing market's going to collapse and everyone's going to lose all their money and houses and all this stuff. No way. No one thought that. Zero. Except like three dudes. The big short. The movie. It's freaking sick movie. That's right. Anyway, that's how I feel about AI you heard it here for first bet against it. Yeah, doves on to it. Yeah, doves on to it. I think everyone's like, oh, this is just the next step in technology and it's just going to progress more and more and more and more and we're all going to become robots and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, it's gonna collapse. I think it's a facade. I think it's just all just a big facade. Just a bunch of bs. I'm not. I'm gonna use it. Yeah, yeah. And like I do use it and there is practical applications, but I don't know, I just don't trust it. And I feel like I sound like the old guy who's like those damn computers. But. If you look at the players involved, all these tech huge billionaire people that are running all these systems and platforms and server farms and building these multi billion dollar places where they can house all the databases and whatever. I'm not saying it's like an infrastructure problem, but I just don't trust them. I think it's all just a. Like what's the act? Is it. Are they building all these things for the evolution of technology or are they. Does it come back just to money and power? Like what are we really giving up? I don't know, I just, I don't. Well, I don't think it's going to lead into us becoming robots. I think it's going to lead into whether it collapses because of infrastructure or because of the people involved or because it's all just a big lie. Whether it collapses because of that or because the human population decides to reject it. Either way, I think it's going down. And I don't have a lot of facts to back this up. This is just an internal feeling how. Long has AI been around? Like, way longer than you think. Like since the 80s or something. I'm throwing that out as a wild guess. I mean, maybe. Yeah, it's been a while. Let's say at least 20 years. Let's say 20 years. Yeah. It is kind of odd that, like, there's just this big boom now. Of course there's newer things coming out with it, but was there another time within the last 20. 20 years that it's been around where it's had this big boom? No, it has now 100. No, no, this is the big boom. This is the big boom. See, this is. This. This is the same as the housing market. Everybody was getting loans. Everybody was buying houses. It was like freaking. Everyone was a home owner now. Like, that was everyone's job. Just buy a bunch of houses. Because anyone can buy a house. Yeah. And that was just like the thing. And everybody got caught up in it. And then it got too big and too. They were giving out. Yeah, they were giving out way too many loans to people that couldn't actually afford the loans. And, like, it was just like a freaking candy factory. Jeez. Just. Yeah, they were making hella money and then blew up. What was his name? The guy who the movie's about? I don't know, but he's betting against AI. So he came out and said this publicly. Publicly, yeah. Wow. So he's the only one who shorted the housing market and made like, $400 billion, and then now he's shorting AI because he doesn't trust it. And you know what? He's a weirdo and. But he's a freaking genius. It was one for one the first time. Yeah. I don't know what's happened between those. Between these two things. He might have lost it all betting against, like, Instagram. Right. I don't know. But he's betting against AI. And he was one. He was once. Right. So he was once 100%. Yeah. So I'm riding with him. You're riding with him. I got nothing to lose. Yeah. Everything to gain. Everything to gain. I like that. I like that mindset right there. I mean, do you think that, like, robots. I mean, I don't think that we're actually going to want it in the end. Like, are people actually going to commit to it? Right. You know, like, the whole idea of, like, robots and AI in your house and all this kind of stuff, like implants in your head. Are we really going to do it? I mean, I think some people will, but as a majority. Yeah. But what if it's like, my mom's gonna die unless she gets this implant and it becomes that. And then people start trusting it over time because they see that it saved their mom and years go down and it just becomes more of a. It's like a slow trickle, you know? Could see that too, where it's like. Yeah, you don't trust it at first. And then like, maybe it. Maybe it saves somebody's life or something. And people are like, huh, maybe there's something to this. Or maybe it takes over and kills you in your sleep. Yeah. Or like you're swimming in the pool and AI decides to drown you. Yeah. Like put the pool cover over, you're done. Or you're like in the garage and like the garage door comes down on you, vehicle starts. Yeah, Tesla, except it's electric, so there's no emissions, I don't think. Right, right. You're right. So you can start the Tesla in the garage. You're good. I guess. So we should try that out. Yeah. Anyway, I think then there's the implication of like, well, if it becomes a little bit more widespread and it's like, almost needed in order to communicate or go to school or learn or whatever, then you're getting into like, is it child abuse? Oh, yeah. My 10 year old needs the implant. I'm gonna make that decision for him. Come here. Johnny, we're going in to get your implant. Yeah, Dad, I don't want the implant. Johnny, shut the hell up. We're sticking this in your brain. It's good for you. Dad. No. Dad, no. Help. Help. This is dark. This is dark. I mean, what, what's going on there? Your point? Are we allowed to do that? Your point. Or the, the kid. The kid. The parents are like, we're. We're not doing this implant thing. And the kids like, but I want an implant. Yeah, my buddy Johnny's got one. Yeah, Johnny's got one. I want one too. So we can. It's like the cool thing. So we can play Call of Duty in our brains. Kids are getting it. If they can play Call of Duty in their brains, they're totally getting it. But what it is, the doctor like, is the implant specialist. Does he say, okay, Johnny, you're 10, you can do it? I mean, the way things are going now, maybe. I mean, this is the same thing. Yeah, kinda. I mean, kids get age. There's gotta be an age. Kids can decide if they want to switch it up. That's insane. So, I mean, what's a. What's an implant. Let's turn. Turn little Johnny into a robot if he wants it. That might be best case scenario. Maybe. Yeah. Damn. I'm not getting. Ah. I'm not getting it. If it was just. If the whoop could be implanted in me. Yeah. Hell yeah. Never have to charge it. Yeah. Oh, but I'm not. I'm not doing the. The chip in the brain thing. What is that for? Like what is neuralink? Which is Elon's. Yeah. But yeah. What exactly does that mean? I think it's supposed to. There's going to be like a lot of medical benefits to it. Like no dementia. Yeah. Yeah. Or like Alzheimer's, multiple scroll sclerosis. Miss. Okay, like helping with that or like. Yeah. Dementia, memory loss, like feeling in your arms or legs. What about cte maybe could it help with that? I mean, eventually probably like fighters who. Can just get in absolute wars every single fight and get healed after it. Dude. I mean that would be. But once you. Once you go implant in the brain, I mean, are you human anymore? I mean, think about just like just entering your email on a website and they literally have all your data. So think about what they can collect from you if there's an implant in your brain. Your thoughts or what they can. What they can manipulate you to do or think or feel. Yeah. I don't like the thought of that. Right there, you know, because it's going to be connected to like your neurons and like, I don't really know anything but like. Yeah. Grab a gun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Or like you and your wife are eating dinner and Elon's going to be like left hook. Oh. You know. Yeah. He did that with Jon Jones already, man. So I don't really know about the. Technology future heading in some. I'm not scared. Foggy, Foggy territory. Yeah. Can't really tell what's. What's ahead. I'll ask Chat GPT tonight. Like what it. Yeah. What the future holds. Yeah, I'd love to hear that. Yeah. What else has been going on? Dude, fights Saturday, we're kind of. There were some absolute bangers on there. And then kind of saw. Saw a glimpse at the heavyweight division and it was not great. What do you mean? What do you mean not great? Just the fighters weren't good. Yeah, I think they're. It's just like it's a. It's a weak time for the heavyweight division. It's a week time. Here's the thing. And Horiguchi with his broken hand first round and was like, oh, I. I didn't come all this way to lose. Just kept throwing it the whole fight. Who's the. Who's the title holder in the heavyweight division? Did Sorrell gone technically be Aspinall? How did they see. Here's the problem with the heavyweight division. There's no killers. There's not like one or there's not even one guy who's an absolute. I run the division. Well, it was Tom and then the. I. Yeah, but put him on. Yeah, but still it was Tom. There's one guy. That's it. I know, but I'm saying like even him, he wasn't like a Jon Jones. He wasn't like Khabib. He all first round finishes. I mean, I'm just saying he wasn't like a Khabib or Jon Jones or a Conor McGregor. He wasn't an absolute savage. I just don't think so. And he wasn't, I think not just skill. Here's what you need in a division. You need an absolute killer savage who runs a division. And also dog will make sure everyone knows his name in a good way, in a bad way, whatever. Loud. A loud savage. And that creates the rest of the division. To want to live up to that, it makes to want to beat that. Yeah. Like there's a lot of drama. There's a lot of fierce battles and killers. But when you have a silent assassin or someone who just kind of like quietly runs the division, like I didn't even know who freaking Tom was. You're. He's not. Everyone even outside the sport knows who Jon Jones is, knows who Khabib is, knows who Conor McGregor is. But like outside the sport, no one knows who Tom Aspinall is. Yeah, maybe not. And so within the division they're just looking at this guy and they're like, eh, you know, he's not like loud. I think you need a loud. Here's the thing, you need a loud mother, an exceptional fighter. Sure. But like so like there is a loudness coming from performance in itself. That's not enough. It's not. I get that. I'm with you on that. Not enough. I'm with you on that. You need a freaking freak. Yeah. You need a hamza. A demon. Yeah, a demon. Yeah. You need an evil savage killer in there that's going to kill anyone. Give a hoot. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, then the rest of the division is like, we got to like a fire. We got to meet him. Yeah. I got to get loud. I got to get crazy. I got to train harder. I got to stay up all night and just grind. Six session. Six gym sessions a day. Like I'm not sleeping until I win and make everyone know my name. Like complete domination. And then the division increases. People start getting better, starts getting more chaotic, more violent. Yeah, more. All this stuff I've. I've got. That's my theory. I've got the perfect plan to get the heavyweight division back on track, and that would be absolute. Inject them with steroids. Because the last couple fights in the heavyweight division, the dudes can't fight for three rounds. It's too much for him. What's the weight on that? 225. The limit is 265. 225 to 265. Well, there shouldn't be a limit. I agree, but. Ridiculous. There is, but that's how it is, 225. And what's light heavyweight? 205. 205. Won't they just have one? Oh, because like a 205er, who's. That's the thing. No, 205ers, a natural 205er. They're a 225 or 222. 25. So you got a 225er who's actually like a 250, 260er. So you're saying they're too fat? I'm saying they. They're too heavy to have the endurance. They need, like performing enhancement drugs to help the cardio so that they can put on shows that are exciting. So when was the division good? Alistair Overeem, Brock Lesnar, Cain Velasquez. Velasquez, Bigfoot, whatever his name was. So they were all. They were all sauce. They were huge, dude. They were saucing, though. You saw Brock Lesnar? Yeah, they were saucing. Yeah. Alistair Overeem, when he was saucing. Oh, God, he was a freak of nature. Yeah. He was so cut up. A freak, dude. Okay. And so when they stopped Saucon, the division kind of dropped off. Kind. I mean, yeah, Kane Velasquez, he was a guy who might not have been saucing, but he prided himself on a. He had just a nasty gas tank. He would take all these other heavyweights just. And he was violent as hell and loud as hell. I mean, isn't he in jail right now? He killed somebody. No, he didn't kill him. Attempted attempted murder. Which. Attempted defense. Defense. Self defense. Of his child. Of his child. If you don't know that story, let's dive into that a little bit. Yeah, his daughter. I Don't know how old she was at the time. Was. Let's use a code word here. Abused. Abused. And he found out about it. And you're talking about UFC champion of the world at one point. Trained killer. Yeah, trained killer. Yeah. And you did something bad to his daughter. So he found out who this perpetrator was. Uhhuh. Pulled up. Pulled up. What do you mean, pulled up? Pulled up in a vehicle. Pulled up in a trip to kill him. I need more context than this. What do you mean, pulled up in a vehicle? Pulled up to his house. Yeah. Pulled out. Okay. And got a gun, loaded it with the attempt to kill this guy or with the. With the mindset to kill this guy gets in the car. I don't know if it was like a drive by and he missed or nicked him. I can't remember. Perpetrator in a vehicle too? I think. So was it. I think he was. He was driving and Kane came up beside him. Okay, that sounds familiar. Yeah. Came up beside him and started firing. Into the vehicle, but didn't hit him. I think he hit him. Did he hit him? But he's. He's still alive, though, right? I think die. I'm pretty sure he's still alive. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, you know, what. What you would do to keep your daughter safe, in a way. Yeah. Yeah. So what happened to him? Went to jail. Went to jail. Caught him. He's still in jail. I'm not really sure what that case. Case looks like. Yeah, look it up. Let me see what we got. Pull it up. Jeez. Here's the thing with that. Usually, like. Usually a prosecutor is gonna. These are, like, extenuating circumstances. It wasn't a crime. It wasn't a attempted murder out of, like, it was almost bait. It was. It wasn't baseless, like, there was a reason, and it was a crime of passion. Yeah. Which usually they're a little less harsh on you if it's out of passion because it's more understandable. It wasn't malicious or evil, which you could argue that it was, but, I mean, the act is by itself, attempt. Trying to kill somebody, but with. With what? You know. Huh. What is your prediction on his sentence? Well, did they find him guilty of. What does it say? Charges are attempted murder, pleaded no contest to attempted murder, and other charges related to shooting at a man accused of molesting his relative. Okay. I'm gonna say 15 years. Sentence, five years in a state prison with eligibility for parole likely in early 2026. That's a slap on the wrist, baby. Yeah. Wow. Wow. I was way off. Actually, I think. I think people get out in 15 years for murder. Really? Yeah. So, like, I guess that makes sense. Five years. I mean, 15 years is a long time, but it's also not that long of a time. Yeah, like, kind of you take someone's life and then 15 years. I mean, 15 years. I mean, it's a long time in prison. In retrospect, to like, other things, it's not a long time. I mean, some get 25 to life. Yeah. But what do you think they should get? I mean, if you take a life, it's almost like you should. You should give jail. You should give a life sack. You should sacrifice somebody else. No, you're taking their life, so your life should kind of be up. Dang. Here's what I think. I don't know, maybe. Maybe you should go to prison for how many years that they had left. So the younger, the younger the person you kill, the longer you serve. Because it's a worse crime. Yeah, that's actually not bad. But what do you base death upon? The health of the average. Average lifespan. What if they're 90? Then you get, like, one year. But what if they. You're in and out. What if they live till 115? Actually, if they're 90, that's past the average lifespan of a United States adult. So actually, you should be credited. You know, like, maybe someone else gets out early. One of your buddies or something. You get to choose who. Yeah, you get to choose an extra. Yeah, yeah. So like, oh, six years. Yeah, this lady was 90. Average lifespan is like 75. Oh, that's 15 years, man. So you go. You go get your boy out, baby. Fifteen years early. Maybe you could divvy it up. Like, you get. Three friends are in there, and they each have, like three years, four years each. And you're like, you take four or. Two left, or you just do like one year for 15 people. You could sell it. Yeah, you could sell your years. Yeah. Like, hey, you want a year off 100 grand? 1 million. I don't know. Yeah, white collar crimes, you know. You know, you get some rich dudes who are in prison. Hey, Diddy, you want to get out early? 50 million. Yeah, he'll pay it. And you can have my years. He'll pay it. What do you. Do you think Jeffrey Epstein was murdered? No. Wait, wait. Really? Wait, wait, wait, wait. Do I think Epstein was murdered? Yes. Yes. Okay. Sorry. Why do you think that? It's. There's looking into this a Little bit. Cameras shut off. They didn't actually see it happen. The, the strangling around the neck. It was supposed to be a hanging. It looked, there were signs, some studies said that it didn't look exactly like a. Well, the family hired like the most prolific medical examiner privately to do a independent autopsy and he came back and said it was a homicide. What does the family say? Like, do they have any. Like, they say that he was murdered, but like, like his brother's pretty outspoken. But like murder by who does he say? I mean, they probably don't know exactly who, but like. That. I mean, I think their stance is like, I don't know if they've come out and said, accused someone specifically, but I think their whole thing is just like. Yeah, they, they as in the powerful. Wanted to shut him up. Yeah. So they shut him up. I mean, the whole thing is a little bit bizarre. Like they stick him in a cell with the guy who killed like six people. And he's massive. Have you seen him? What's, what's this guy's name? Oh, geez, I can't remember his name, but if you just look up Epstein's prison mate, whatever, you'll see him. He's massive. Massive. Anyway, Nicholas Turdish Leone, probably. He was a. He used to be a cop. They found a bunch of bodies in his yard. Wait, what? Yeah, like three. At least three bodies. And so the most high profile case in the past. I don't even know how many years. Yeah, that's him with his dog. Looks like a monster. So think about it. Jeffrey Epsoon is like the most high profile case and they stick him in a cell with that guy. I mean, I'm sure that they hated him for what he's accused of, but. So do you think this guy killed him? Yeah, that's what I think. I don't know, obviously, but do you. Think he was working? I'm just speculating. What's he up to nowadays? So you get out early or. I don't know, I don't know what happened to him after. I think people probably do know and it's out there. But also, I saw a news thing actually this morning and you know how they released like, I don't know how many 88,000 emails or whatever. Everyone's been going through them. Yeah, it's been all the rage lately. But I saw this morning they found a document from, I think it was the DOJ or something. And it was like the letter announcing that Jeffrey Epstein alleged or that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself and it was dated the day before Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. Stop. Yeah, they found it. It was like the, the official printout saying Jeffrey epine was found in his cell from an a. From a self inflicted hanging. Blah blah, blah, blah blah. And it was dated the day before he did it. That's proof. And it wasn't even like a. Oh, maybe it was like midnight or time zone thing may. But like it. It wasn't that because evidently no one was. No one could have known before 6am that day. And this was dated the day before. So it's not like it was close, you know, it wasn't like, oh, they found out at 1am Is that not evidence? It was like the first person who found out was 6am and this press thing or letter, whatever it was, memo, whatever was written and dated the day before. So that adds to the speculation. I did not know this. Yeah. Is that not proof? I mean, that's not definitive. Oh, I messed up. Put the wrong date. That's crazy. Circumstantial at best. But what, what person that crazy would. Be bold enough to. To take his side anyways? You know what I mean? I mean take who's dead, but like. To say that he kills himself. To say the opposite of that. Like who would represent that? It almost seems like people would be too scared to even. I think a lot of people say that he was murdered. I know, but like I'm talking about on like a. On the stand kind of thing. I don't know. Because Cash Patel said that he 100% killed himself. Yeah. Definitively. Yeah. There's no doubt. I remember that. So like the FBI says he killed himself. Case closed. Is it a case closed thing right now? Yeah, case closed. So you can't bring. I don't. To the best of my knowledge, again, I don't really know anything. But I don't think you can bring a case of murder if the ME medical examiner rules it a suicide. If the medical examiner does an autopsy and says this was a suicide, then like a prosecutor can't reopen that case or can't open that case as a homicide. It can only be determined a homicide in a case be opened if the medical examiner rules it undetermined or homicide. I don't think you can. They can do anything if it's suicide. But also, I don't think the prosecutor is from the state. It's not a private. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? The defense is private. Gotcha. The prosecutors are district attorneys, people that work for the state and federal government. Yeah. So like, are they really going to bring it? Bring charges? You know how in TV shows when that, when something like, obviously not something exactly like this, but like, case is closed. Maybe one of the cops has a hunch that they, that they, they think it was a homicide. It was, it was rule already ruled a suicide. You know, when you see them like their, their officers, like, don't do it, Jimmy. Don't go behind the, you know, it's not worth it. And then they do it and then they have to find, you know, a certain amount of evidence that overturns the ruling. Can they do. Do people do that? Yeah, you think? Definitely. But like, does it. If you're not allowed to open the case, does it? Well, I think you can. Evidence. I think with evidence you can open the case. Okay. You know, if there's compelling. That makes sense to me. If there's compelling evidence, I think you can go to a judge and get it open. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. And then maybe you can bring charges, blah, blah. But like no one's doing that. Or maybe some people have tried and they're. Yeah, shut the hell up. Honestly. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah. I trust no one. Also, evidently they don't even have the, the rope that he used or the sheet or whatever. Right. Evidently that they couldn't find it. Oh, it disappeared. It disappeared. And also another interesting point is that they did a little fake out with his body. What do you mean? Well, this was also in the files. I wish I had the exact thing. I'm just going off my memory here, so don't take me word for word, but look into it on your own time. But evidently they. This was from an official memo too, that they had two vans, a white van and a black van. And the press was all outside because Jeffrey Epstein is dead and they brought his body out. Air quotes on the body. And it wasn't actually his body, it was just a bunch of sheets and they put it in a van and then the press followed that van, but really his body wasn't in that van. Then they put his body in a different van and drove it somewhere else because they didn't want the press to follow. So there's also an ulterior. Is he alive? What do you mean? Is. Is little Jeff alive? See, out there, Little Jeff would be the perfect. Did they name. Did they actually kill him or did he actually kill himself? You're saying maybe it was a framed attempt, it was an escape? Yeah. Why? Because he was working for the CIA. See, I Think if he was working for. I don't know why they would bust him out and fake his death and let him go live somewhere else because then he's still a liability. You know, maybe it was an inside job. Maybe he did it. The only way. But. But still, I'm like, the only way. He would have had to pull some powerful strings, you know, and leverage, like, blackmail upon them. Like, hey, I got this on you, so break me out and fake my death. I think that the person would say, we'll just kill you instead. How about that? That's a good point. You know, why would they break. Why would they continue to let him blackmail? You know, they'd be okay, we'll stick in there with a triple murderer and. But you never know. Cuz, like, what if this big billionaire wasn't tied enough with the government who was holding Epstein? And so there was. There were. That was the. It's not like he could just get guys in and kill him. So he. Maybe he was worried about the information. Information. Because he couldn't get to him. But he could break him out. Yeah, that wouldn't make sense. That wouldn't make sense. But then there's also that theory that he did kill himself. Yeah. But evidently the. His lawyers, like, they were trying to work a deal and like, there wasn't any sign of, like, I've given up yet. Yeah. You know, I'm not defending Epstein. He didn't seem like a speculating kind of guy. Yeah. He seemed like a weasel. Yeah. Like, I'll never. There's always an. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm like, I think they killed him. Yeah. It kind of just makes sense. Yeah. It doesn't feel like much of a conspiracy to think that either. I don't. It doesn't feel like it. Yeah. And like, do. I don't really believe much that, like the government says. Yeah. Sorry, Cash. I mean. Yeah, Sorry, Cash. Do you listen to Cash and Joe Rogan? Mm. Yeah. That was an interesting one. That was good. I didn't that last year sometime. It was a little while back. It was a little while back. Yeah. It was interesting, though. Yeah. I mean, all. Literally the news is just about Jeffrey Epstein, and it has been for the past few years. Bizarre. I was listening to a Rogan recently, and he was having. I always like the ancient civilization ones. And this guy had done his own mission down to Peru and found these ancient civilizations that have been undocumented. And he got, you know, the first drone footage of it, the first camera footage of it, and it's These massive pyramids that, that they're saying are older than the Egyptian pyramids. And nobody's, nobody's even videoed that. It's the first time they're, they're talking about him. And this guy found him on guess where? Google Maps. That's how he did it. Did it all. He was looking on the coast of Peru, going through Google Maps and he finds, he finds. This is his plan. He finds things, spends all his money, flies down there, goes to see if what he saw on Google Maps was real. And he's like, yeah, sometimes it doesn't work out, but sometimes it does. Google Maps. Yeah, that's what he said. That's what he said. It sounds bizarre. It's like, yeah, just use Google Maps. I didn't, I don't. It sound, I know how it sounds. Bizarre. I know how bizarre that sounds. You know, it's kind of weird. Like they find so much stuff and there's so much, there's so many things going on in south and Central America. But like it seems like no one really cares. That's literally. You know what I mean? His whole point, I think about like the Amazon rainforest. Yeah. We've already lost like 20% of it. And like. It seems like no one really cares. Yeah. And then they find all this stuff in Peru and Colombia and. People like, moving forward. Well, I think it's, I think it's South America. Oh, like, does it, like, is it because, like no one wants to go there. What are the vibes here? Seems like everyone wants to go to Egypt, see the pyramids. Yeah. Which no one's making a bunch of money off all their tourism. Like no one's going to the Amazon. You'd think the South Americans would make it a tourist place so that they could make money off. Well, I think they, I think they're trying to. I think they do, definitely. In parts. Yeah. But it also sounds like there's so many places, places where there's these ancient civilizations that there's like the, the ministry of whatever that deals with archaeology doesn't have the funds. They don't, they're not interested enough. It's crazy expensive to send teams out there, tons of equipment. You're saying the all powerful archaeologists don't have funds to go down to Peru? Or maybe that, that specific part is that they don't. I don't think people like this guy have the funds, like these independent people. Well, I think part of it is they don't. There's a disconnect between those guys and the Ministry of Archaeology or whatever it is. It's like they can't have new. New things come to light because then it goes against what they say. So are they gonna waste their money into this? It's like a whole. A whole thing going on right now between. It's like, I'm gonna die on this hill. Yeah. They've committed their lives to all these studies and like the whole like academic world versus the I learned on my own world. Like they kind of think they're fakes or they think they're this or that. Or not real archaeologists or not real excavators, whatever. Yeah, I see that. And I see that being an issue with money and funding. Maybe exposure though too. You know, this guy's. It's the. He's definitely a small pawn, you know, but doing these big crazy things, but no exposure. Well, now he's got exposure. So after this, maybe we'll. We'll see some. But there's a lot of guys like him. Yeah. That go down and find these things and are like exposing all this stuff and like. Yeah. I mean, you'd think to. Yeah. Like, oh, all these artifacts and crazy things and like all this history is here. Like we're just gonna. No one. No one is like going and like categorizing it and documenting it and finding and storing and collecting. Like, no one's doing any of that. Yeah. Which is crazy. But it's. Yeah. Also like South America is like. It's way more. I'd say it's more dangerous and more difficult. Yeah. I think about just going into the jungle or trying to work through these uncontacted tribes. Like. And then you think of like what you think of as like a archaeologist and you're like. Well, yeah, it's like all these professors. Right, right. You know, I mean, some of them are dogs. Like those guys that we saw in Manaus at one time. There's Germans. Amazing. They were out in the jungle for like a few weeks digging up dirt and stuff. Terra Prada soil. Savage. Literally. Yeah. It was actually really cool. Yeah. Really cool. So like those guys. But they were like kind of professor types. Yeah, they were. But they were dogs. They were about it. They were bout it. Dude. That's like. They were out there. Like when we saw them that morning, I think they were still dirty. Like that dude's hair was all over the place. He still had dirt under his nails. Like they've been digging and he's been in hammocks. Yeah. He was saying that they had just spent, you know, Two weeks. No contact in the jungle. And they were just coming to stay a couple nights because they were heading up to a new location the next. This next week or whatever. Yeah. So, I mean, like, a archaeologist researcher guy who, like, he's not, like, boots on the ground, you know. Yeah. Like, he works at some, like. Yeah. Ivy League school in Northeast. But then you got these dogs who are down there. Actually, like, an explorer. Yeah. Like, there's a difference between, like, an archaeologist and, like, an explorer who's gonna, like, take risks. Go out there and, like, it's so ballsy. Be so uncomfortable and, like. Like, so uncomfortable. Yeah. Mosquitoes. Yeah. Nasty bugs. Spiders, snakes. Huge snake. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. But, I mean, I wouldn't do it. You won't catch me out in the Amazon. Yeah. I mean, Manasse is as far as I'll go. Yeah. That's basically. That's deep. That's pretty. That's pretty deep. But, like, I don't think I would go on, like, a week trip in the jungle, you know? I think you might. I might actually. Yeah, I think you would. I think you 100% would. I think I would be like, I gotta do this. Yeah. Like, this is so cool. I mean, do this. Take me on, like, the day trip. Yeah. You know, but drop me back. Yeah. Drop me back at the hotel. Never been a camper type. Yeah. You never have been a camper, have you? Oh, God, no. Have you tried to, like, get into it before? I mean, I've camped. I've camped before. Like, we. We were kids once. We've been together. But. I. I love. It's like books. I love books. I love how books look like, how books feel. I like the vibe of books. Okay. I like. I feel like there's. I like seeing different books. Okay. I feel like there's a butt coming. I like bookshelves on a bookshelf. Yeah. Or books on a bookshelf. You know, the aesthetic. Yeah. The idea, the knowledge that's within. You're in Italy, you got espresso and a cigarette, and you've got one leg crossed. You're reading a book. A book. I love books. Now, am I going to crack the book and read it? You know, I'd like to think that I would, but I haven't. Right. And I'm not going to. So that's how camping is for me. I love camping. I love the idea of camping. I love campfires. I love cooking meat over the coals. Right. I like hiking. Yeah. I like the dew, the mist. Yeah. Yeah. You Know, throwing a hoodie on because. It gets chilly at night, you know, I like that. I love camping, you know, but once it comes to the point where everyone starts going back to the tent, you know, I'm out. I also love the next morning of camping. I love the morning vibes of waking up in the woods, you know, and you get the fire going and you. You cook some eggs over the fire. But you don't actually like the part of actually waking up in the woods. I will. You like to be there? I like to arrive. Arrive, arrive when you're awake. Yes. Okay. So, yeah, it's kind of more so just in between the actual camping part. Yeah. Is the part where I'm out, but I'll be back in the morning. Right. You know, like, I want the bed. I need a shower. Yeah. Let's get it. Your fruit bowl at night. Yeah. Yeah. I got things to do. Yeah. But I love camping. I mean, let's freaking go camping. I would love to, actually. Yeah. I want to do some backpacking again. I would love it. Love backpacking, but, you know. Yeah, like, if we go. If you want to go on like a four day backpacking trip. Yeah, let's go. You'll do it? I'll do it. But I'm gonna need some sort of transportation at night and in the morning. But I'll be about it during the day and in the evening and into the night. Okay. As soon as that. Soon as that sun goes down, you're out. I'm out. Okay. Can I bring the rower? I might be tough. I'm like a. I'm like a fake fan. I'm just being honest, though. Hey, honesty's best. But I love. I love the idea of it. Yeah. You know, like the vibes. I mean, let's go camping. But you don't actually mean camping. You just mean, like the part of camping. Y' all camp all hang out. I'll hang out. Okay, let's go hang out. Yeah. I might do a backpacking. I could see. I could see you getting. I might do. I might do a backpacking. Just all day walking. Yeah. I mean, like a big ruck. Yeah. One of my friends did the. Did a little backpacking. Really? Yeah. In Arkansas. No, she went to Europe. Really? That's sick. Where'd she go? I think Spain. Was it the Santiago? Yeah, it was part of. Part of it, really. She went for a while by herself. Wow. Yeah, she's gnarly. She's a dog. Dang. Yeah. Freaking gangster. She's listening to the shout Out. Shout out. You know what I'm talking about? Yep. Shout out. Shout out. Yeah, she's dope. Anyway. Yeah, but I was listening to Kevin James and Theo. Kevin James came on Theo? Yeah. No way. He dropped it this morning. I was listening. No, wait, I'm gonna listen to. To that one. It was good. Theo's so weird, dude. He's an odd guy. Like, to think that he has, like, this massive podcast is so funny. I mean, it makes sense because he's hilarious, but he's just a dude. And he says the weirdest stuff, man. Like, they're just talking about stuff, and he's like, oh, yeah, I could never take anybody on the road with me because I, you know, I just. Or my alarm would never go off because I would always pee on my phone at night, you know, and then, you know, it'd be hard for me to wake up. Blah, blah. Then Kevin. Kevin James is like, wait, what? What do you mean? Let's go back. Let's go back to that. He's like, what? He's like, oh, you said you. You would pee on your phone at night. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to wet the bed. I had a real problem with it. Wetting the bed. And then I'd have my phone, and then I'd pee on my phone. And then, like, no one could sleep in the room because I'm always peeing. It's like I had a real problem wetting the bed. Just. He just says the weirdest stuff. Yeah. Yeah, but he. He does it in a way where it's like. Like, so casually. He throws stuff in and, like, just like that. Kevin had to be like, whoa, wait, what? What'd you say? Yeah, you could almost just glaze over. Yeah. If you didn't catch it. Really? Yeah. He says it so casually, just like you're supposed to be like, oh, yeah, yeah, we. Yeah, we all pee on our phone. Or, you know, one of them. He was talking about, like, the old guy who would get with a girl and then make him come in the room and watch. I'm like, is this real crazy? Yeah, there's some weird stuff out there. What? Like, what was his life? Theo? Yeah. Do you know anything about, like. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, wasn't he kind of, like, on drugs? Oh, I mean, he talks about, like, cocaine and stuff. Yeah, he was. He. He partied and did coke and drink. I mean, coke was always his, like, his thing. Yeah. Talks about that. But, like, just because he was a cokehead didn't mean he was like on the streets, like. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. So Coke said there's a lot of like people who aren't on the streets that do code. That's true, that's true. It's kind of a, like a lot of rich people do coke. Yeah. But it catches, it catches up at some point. Yeah, yeah. And it's like for him it sat just from what I've heard. I think he was young, got into coke and did it throughout his young stand up career. Damn. And then, you know, he's. He was get. Blowing up, getting big. And I think there had to come a point where he was like, I gotta stop this if I want to stay in this game. Yeah. Longer. Now that makes sense. Yeah. He was like early on, those little reality shows back in the day, what's it called? They do like challenges. The challenge. That what it was called. I don't know, Road Wars. I don't know, some kind of old reality show where they do challenges. You win the money if you last the longest kind of thing. Kevin James is talking about how he's known ROGAN since like 1980 something. Really? Yeah. Like they've known each other together a long. Like you said, like 36 years. Geez. 1990, I guess. How did they know each other? Was it radio, I think, or did they do it stand up game? Like they were both kind of coming up around the same time. Yeah, sorta. And like Kevin James was from like Long Island. Okay. And so I think they were both up there in that scene. Like New York, Boston, like that kind of scene. Did they both move to? I think so. California. I mean, not together, but like they both were there at the Comedy Store together probably. But they've known each other for forever. That's crazy, huh? I'm like, geez, when I hear, when I heard. When I think about Rogan, I just think about like, damn, we gotta, we got so much to do. Yeah. And I just ready to do some more stuff, you know? Yeah. And it's, it's, it's kind of just about doing it. Yeah. Like to hell with the consequences. To hell with what bad could happen. Yeah. To hell if we lose it all. Yeah. It's like there's doers and then there's. Yeah. And you know, lately I've. I've kind of realized more that like a lot of people have ideas. A lot of people. So everyone, Everyone has a dream. Yeah, most people. Yeah, most people have dreams and great ideas and things and, and ideas of how they want their life to ideally look and all these kind of things, you know, all these lofty dreams and goals and this and that and what they really want to do. Not saying, it's just, it's. I'm not saying everyone has the goal of just like monetary success, which I don't even care anymore about monetary success, but like a lot. I'd say most people have these lofty goals of just like what they really want to do, what, what they want their. What they want their lives to look like, you know, or dreams and passions that they want to pursue. Yeah, most people have that. Yeah. But. Most people don't do it. Most people don't. Most people don't. Yeah. And I've just come to realize that. Like. We'Re all kind of lazy. Like, it kind of comes down to like, if you really wanted it, if you really wanted to do it, which I think people really want to do it. But it's like you got to look in the mirror and think, am I actually doing anything to make it happen? Like, am I risking anything? Am I just, am I going for it? Like, how much time am I spending trying to do this? Yeah. How much effort am I putting into this? It's almost like we're all just, we're all kind of lazy with ourselves. Like, if you really self reflect, look in the mirror and you're like, am I doing it? Am I going for it in my head? I have so many ideas, maybe too many ideas that are just insane, you know? And I'm. Sometimes I look in the mirror and I'm like, well, how much time did I spend on that today? Or have I committed to it? Have I pulled the trigger and just. Yeah. Effort. Full. Full send. Yeah. You know. Right. And it's like, well, no, I haven't. I mean, in certain aspects, maybe. Sure. Like, I had the dream of the shop. We have a shop. Awesome. Yeah. Like, I have a lot of other dreams. Yeah. And a lot of other. And like, I just, I don't want to key. I don't want to go through the motions. I just, I. I want to just commit and send it. And honestly, I think most people. It does. I don't think it has to be such a big deal either. Yeah. Like, there's a lot of steps and a lot of points to get from, from here to what your dream is. But like, even step one, how many people have even made that step? Yeah. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be like, oh, I'm selling my house and moving to Spain, you know, yeah, yeah. But like, what do you want your life to look like? What's, what's your goal? What do you want to do? Who do you want to be around? All this kind of stuff. What's your dream business? And it's like, well, just try. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. And what I keep coming back to in my head is just, I've. I've kind of touched on this, on the pod, you know, but like, Brazil just has such a draw to me. And it's, it's like when I think about Brazil, it's like the one thing that is like the. Feels like home, feels like all these great, great potentials and great things, great ideas, great people, all this kind of stuff. But it also has the equal or if not more of discomfort. Pushing myself, pushing the limits, being uncomfortable, putting myself out there. Like, it, it has both. Like, when I think about it, it has both of those things. It's not just like a comfortable choice to me, but it's almost like a difficult one that I really, really like. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. And like a lot of my ideas right now are pretty abstract with Brazil, you know what I'm saying? But I'm like, I feel like I gotta do something or else it's just gonna keep being just an abstract idea, you know? Yeah. And like we've done some things and you know, there's still the whole. I'm talking separately from. Well, we don't even have to get into all that. But just I don't know what pulling the trigger on that means. Yeah. And I'm trying to figure that out, but time just keeps going by. Right. And I keep just going through the motions and just keep thinking about ideas and like talking to my friends down there about my ideas, but like nothing's actually happening. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And I'm like, what is the maybe, like, does it need to be a just a big all in push, you know? Or do I just need to be more disciplined and commit more time to developing an idea and developing a plan in order to implement that, you know what I mean? Or is that just me falling kind of into my own rat race of, of my own psychology and I'm not actually pushing myself outside of my comfort zone? Like, do I need the big push? Right. Right. You know what I mean? So these are things I've been thinking about. Yeah. And I'm like, just send it. Who cares when I just, I don't wanna, I don't want to miss out. Yeah. On just even the chance of something. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, like, when. When I dream about it and when I think about it and, like, all these ideas I have for BR and for kind of the connection with Brazil and the US and all this kind of thing. Like, I literally have, like, lucid dreams. Not lucid dreams, but just. I'll get lost in my own thoughts. Not while I'm asleep, but while I'm awake of just, like, what it could look like. And it's beautiful. And just, like, the people and the community and all the things that I want and all the things that I'm, like, kind of missing right now of just being in, like, this routine and going through the motions and just. It's like, when I dream it in my head, it's all of those things that I want. Yeah. You know? And, like, that is the dream. And so it goes back to just, if I want that, then you have to do something to get it, you know? Yeah. I can't just keep dreaming it. I'll just be like everyone else. Right. That just has all these dreams. Yeah. But then you see. You see all the successful people or the people that are not even all the successful people, but successful people and just people who are so. Who have. Maybe it's not a monetary thing, but they've made it in their own way. Like, they're doing their dream. Yeah. Yeah. You know, maybe it's not like, oh, I made a hundred million dollars. Right. But it's like, oh, I'm doing this thing, or I have this creative thing that I've built to where this is all I do. Yeah. And I love it. Yeah. And it's the best thing ever. And, like, I've built this. This world that I live in. That was my dream. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And so, like, when I. That's why going back to Rogan is just like. He's just that type of guy who, from what I see, is, like, very almost. It's just this, then this, then this, then this. It's very, like, black and white. It's very like, oh, I want to do this thing. And it's not about, like. I don't care about the extenuating. Extenuating circumstances. I'm just gonna do it because I want to do it and because that's my own truth, you know? Like, I. If that's how I feel, that's what I want, then, like, I'm gonna just fight for it. Yeah. Yeah. You Know what I'm saying? Like, he's just a doer. Yeah. And I want to just be more like a doer. Yeah. I just want to do it. Yeah. And it might take money, Might take effort. Of course it's gonna. Okay. Of course it's gonna take money. Of course it's gonna take effort. Of course it's going to take discomfort. Yeah. Of course it's going to take failure. But it's like, I don't know. I just. I won all that. Yeah. And I feel like I've just been on the wagon wheel here, and I just want to send it. Yeah. Just see what the hell happens. I was talking to one of my friends today from Brazil, and he was saying, oh, carnivals this weekend, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, he's like, you sh. And then we were going back and forth, and then I sent him a message back or whatever. And then it was a little bit. And then I got a text on my phone, and, like, literally, I was just thinking about, like, all of these ideas and all this grand things and what life could look like and all this kind of stuff. And I look at my phone, and it was one of my Brazilian friends, and he was like, you should be here. I was like, damn, I should be there. Dang. I'm not even a partier. But, like, I should be there. Yeah. It was almost like divine intervention. Right. I was just dreaming it. Then I get the text and it. Was like, you should be here. Yeah. I was like, shat. Am I. Am I going to be there? Who's it up to? Yeah. It's literally up to me. Yeah. I don't have kids. It's literally the only thing. I don't have kids. I don't have a wife. Yeah. Am I going to be there? I'm asking myself. Because it's literally up to me, man. Dude, what's it going to take? You just got me kind of hyped up, dude. Damn. It's it going to take? We got ideas. Here's my thing. We'll figure it out. That's what people do. Figure it out. And when you figure it out, it builds resilience. It's a good point. Builds knowledge. Good point. Builds more passion. You got to put yourself in a situation to figure it out. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I don't feel like I'm testing that part of my heart and my brain. Yeah. It's like I'm not pushing those things of just, like, being uncomfortable running out of money. Oh, My God. What am I gonna do? We gotta figure something out. Yeah. We gotta do some stuff. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like. Oh, God. Like a little bit of. A little bit of fear. Yeah. Adrenaline. Adrenaline. Yeah. But there is a balance. Well, effort. There's no balance. I don't believe in balance. Yeah, maybe there is. We're young. We can make mistakes. We can figure it out. We can fail. We can fail. Yeah. What's the worst that could happen? Hey, Pops, we tried. We're out of money. Yeah. We're out of resources. No, no, no. Even then, screw it. God, you're so right, dude. You're so right. I'm just. What's gonna happen if we don't? And what's gonna happen if we do? Where's the higher potential? And you said it earlier, where's the higher potential? We have nothing to lose yet everything to gain. Everything again. Where's the higher potential? We do nothing. Not do nothing, but the same. Same thing. We don't. We don't commit to it. Or we do commit to it. If we don't, well, then this time next year we'll probably look about the same. If we do commit to it, it'll look a lot different. Whether we'll either be broke and afraid. Yeah. Or we'll be broke and afraid and still grinding. Yeah. And happy. Yeah. And whatever. Yeah. And surfing on the beach. And may. Maybe some stuff happened. Yeah. Here's the thing. You're right. Billionaires think in 10 year increments, not in year increments. So if that tells you anything, I'm not. I don't know that all billionaires think like this, but I think some. I've heard different. I've heard some billionaires say that they think in five, ten year blocks and not six month one year blocks. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Which this might be contradicting myself. It's actually going against what I'm trying to say, actually. No, it's not. Keep it going, keep it going, keep it going. Flow it. They think in 10 year blocks, as in this thing is going to be compounding. It's going to grow to this, it's going to branch off into this. Like they're thinking ahead, they're thinking in advance, they're thinking in the future. And so when I take a. Let's. I'm not a billionaire, so let's bring this back down to like a one year. You know, I'm thinking of my own financial abilities here. Yeah. We bring this back down or whatever. 10 years. You think about it. 10 years. In 10 years, it'll be a lot freaking harder to do anything. A lot harder. Yeah. Today it's not hard. It's hard, but it's not that hard. Right. We don't know what's going to happen in 10 years. Yeah. But if you think about what you want, where you want to be in 10 years, think about how old you'll be in 10 years. You're like, well, I would have rather failed now. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. It's very true. You know? Yeah. So I'm almost saying, like, let's just freaking put the chips on the table and we'll figure it out. We'll figure out everything. The back end, the front end, the side end. We'll figure it out. And we're on a freaking clock because we're not made of money. But if you want to sponsor us, you know, come on. Come on in our dms, I guess. Yeah. Slide in. Also, my freaking pod would be sick. Pod would be sick. Pod would be sick. We got to challenge ourselves. You're right. Intellectually, spiritually, physically, entrepreneurially challenge ourselves. We've built something here. We've built something here. And it's been amazing. And it's going to continue to be. Amazing and continue to grow. And continue to grow. And I will. Here's the thing. If I'm chips in, I will. All. Freaking die making doing everything I can. I will. If I'm all chips in, I will. I won't fail. Because here's the thing. If you never stop trying, you'll never fail. Let's go, G. I like that one. Come on. I might never stop trying. You'll never fail. Might be effing 75 years old, baby. But if I'm out there still trying, I haven't failed. It's not over. Yeah. Yeah. You're still in the game. I'm still in the game. You're still in the game. I'm still trying, baby. Yeah. It's been 65 years. Game still. Game's still going on. Game's still going on. Fourth quarter. Yeah. Over time. Gotcha. Huh? It's all about perspective. All about perspective. You know, if we need a lie, kill, destroy, steal, you know, you gotta do what you got to do. I like that. I'm just kidding. You know, it's all about love. And love. Love. Yeah. But that's kind of been on my mind lately. Heavily. Yeah. I've also. Yeah, there's also another component. But I'll tell You off mic. Okay. Well, how can I say it without saying. There's. There's people that I think of when I think of these dreams. Okay. You know, like, there's. There's people that I don't know yet that I think that I will know that'll be around this community and around this life that I envision. But there's also a few select people that I do know now that I also feel are gonna play a vital role in it and be a big part of it. When I say it, I mean my life. Yeah. My own journey and this vision that I have. Yeah. There's certain. There's a few select people. Yeah. You know. Yeah. And maybe some of them don't know it yet. Right. You know? Yeah. I don't know if that makes any. Sense, but, you know, it. I can. I, like when I dream these dreams and these ideas, I. Some of these people, there's, like, I see these things, like, when I dream about these things, like, I, I. It's like a dream. Like, I picture things and, like, when I picture these things, there's, like, obviously there's people involved in, like, that I don't know yet that I. Like, in my dream, I will know. Right. And I'll become close to and all these kind of things. Right. And, like, we'll work together or whatever. Yeah. But there. There are a few select people that are a huge part of it that, That I see in these dreams, you know, that I. That I think about. Like, wow, like, that could be so cool. Are you saying, like, people that don't realize that you could see them somehow intertwined in your future? Yeah, like, maybe they. Maybe they don't know. I don't. They don't see me in their future. That's not what I. That's not what I'm saying. No, that's not really what I'm saying either. I guess I'm saying, like, you have. A vision of a dream that you have and you see people in it, and you're. You want to. You, you do you think there's a link in, like, those people being around and you following this dream. Like there's a correlation. Like, maybe those people will only be around if I take this step into this journey. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I see. For sure, I see some of them. Yeah. Among these few people, some of them are already around, but some of them are, like, kind of around. And then some of them aren't right necessarily. Like, super around. Gotcha. But in this. In this vision, in this dream of. Mine, it's like, it could. It's something that I see. Could be incredible. Yeah. And could, like. Like those different connections and relationships and things could, like. It's almost like they fit. I see, like those. Those few select people fit into this dream, like. Yeah. Yeah. So smoothly. And it's. It's almost like I want to just really go for this dream and these people be in it, too. And, like. It sounds amazing. It sounds amazing. Yeah. It's like, what could be? You know? What could be. Yeah. And I feel personally responsible because it's my dream. Right. And we all have dreams. Just freaking send it. I don't know. It's how I feel. Eff it. You know, I think about, like, I just want to ride motorcycles and surf. And when you think about riding motorcycles and surfing, Brazil's like, the number one place. Yeah. For riding motorcycles and surfing. Yeah. It's also like. It's been such a. Like, personally, I feel it's been such a part of my life, like, over the past five. I mean, on. No, like the past. Been a while. 10. Yeah. Been a while. You know, like, it's always been on my mind and to. It. It just feels like that's where. And that's how. And that's what? Gosh, dude. You know? Yeah. It's almost like. Is that God? It's like God being like, hey, I'm putting this right here. It's right in front of you. It's right in front of you. And it's. It has been. It's been 10 years. Yeah. And what are you doing? Yeah. Like, you little. Giving you everything. Little. You have opportunities. Little. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. And how. How can. How can God use us to make an impact, too? Yeah. I mean, think about that, too. Yeah. Let's take a trip. I think let's take more than a trip. Let's take a trip. More than a trip. Cards on the table. We gotta get back tats. Absolute giant tattoos everywhere. I'm so down, dude. Yeah. I'm so. You say tattoos, I'm in. That's all I needed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Tattoos, surfboards, and motorcycles. Let's go. It's my freaking dream. That's my dream. That's your dream? Your dream? That's my dream. Well, they kind of coincide. They actually do, which is kind of crazy. Kind of crazy. See, it's nice. Because we want to do it alone. Yeah. Yeah. We could be uncomfortable together. You right? It's almost like it's just been building, you know? Yeah. It's like we're getting to the crescendo. Yeah. You know, right. We're almost to that. That peak. A peak. And then boom. Drops off. No, I see what I see. Yeah. Gosh. Yeah. Maybe we should just end it here. A lot to think about. Yeah. Because I can't think about anything else right now. 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