EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)

EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)
EEShow is Everything's Energy Show, a long-form interview podcast hosted by Michael Scalar. The official site is ee.show.
Michael hands Roland the floor for a full episode on what scalar energy actually is, and the conversation turns into an unusually candid one about expectations.
Roland starts with the body as a field of information that is always interacting with other fields. He contrasts a day on the beach with a day in the middle of a city, then makes the case that environment compounds quietly over years rather than arriving all at once. He also gets personal about something he has been working on since his early thirties, and what he notices for himself after a couple of nights of sleeping in the system while he is in town. That account is his own personal experience, and results vary from person to person.
The middle stretch is where the episode earns its title. Both hosts make the same point from different angles, that nobody gets a light switch, that the body allocates energy by its own priorities rather than yours, and that no single input does the work on its own. Roland reframes supplements, food and environment as input signals rather than fixes, and comes back repeatedly to the body as the thing actually doing the work.
The back half turns to the science. They go through why scalar sits outside what a tri-field meter can read, the torus as a way to picture a field with no direction, what CERN measures around a photon collision rather than the collision itself, and what the colors, the Fibonacci patterning and the affirmations on the screens are each contributing.
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Chapters:
  • (00:00) - What Comes To Mind When Someone Says “Scalar”
  • (00:22) - Your Body As A Field Of Information
  • (02:32) - The Beach Versus The Middle Of The City
  • (05:01) - Removing Stressors, Not Just Adding Tools
  • (05:46) - Roland Gets Personal About His Own Health
  • (08:35) - Why This Is Not A Light Switch
  • (12:53) - The Body Has Its Own Priority List
  • (17:26) - The Ten Second Hook Problem In Wellness
  • (19:01) - Supplements As Input Signals, Not Fixes
  • (25:47) - The Grocery Store In Slow Motion
  • (29:18) - Scalar As Science: Why You Cannot Measure It
  • (30:43) - Torsion Fields And The Torus Visual
  • (31:51) - What CERN Measures Around A Collision
  • (34:26) - Color, Light, And What Is On The Screens
  • (36:47) - Fibonacci Patterning And The DNA Visual
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Michael Scalar
Host of the Everything's Energy Show by Energy Enhancement System
Writer
Roland
Co-Host Everything's Energy Show

What is EEShow (Everything's Energy Show)?

EEShow is Everything’s Energy Show — a long-form interview podcast hosted by Michael Scalar exploring energy, consciousness, wellness inquiry, and field literacy. Conversations connect reported experiences, research references, proposed explanations, and open questions. The official site is ee.show.

Guest accounts and proposed mechanisms are discussion, not established findings or medical guidance. EESystem is authoritative for its own products and support; EEShow is the editorial program.

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The Energy Enhancement System™ (EESystem™) and the content provided on EE.Show (audio, transcripts, guest comments) are not medical advice. EESystem is not designed to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any illness or medical condition. The information presented is for educational and wellness purposes only. If you have or suspect any medical condition, please consult a qualified healthcare professional.

Michael Scalar:

Alright. Well, you're tuned into Everything's Energy today. We are going to talk about Scalar energy to be specific when it comes to everything being energy. Roland had some really great perspectives on some other episodes, so I kinda wanted to give him the floor right off the back. When someone tells you they have Scalar energy technology or they're working with the EESystem or energy enhancement system, like, what comes to mind?

Roland:

Well, I think the first thing that comes to mind is the simple fact that you're experiencing something that is abnormal to most people's perspectives. What I mean by that is you're in a field of energy, which is a field of information. That information is going to interface with your body because your body emits its own field of energy. You're gonna have you plus the field of information equals an outcome. So someone experiencing a session in the energy enhancement system is gonna have a unique physiologic experience and the presentation of how it makes them feel.

Roland:

Mhmm. Most people don't understand the simple nature of, I'm gonna go in the system. I can't therefore predict what's gonna happen, so I don't know if anything's actually happening. They hear about these miracle stories. They hear about people having these these remissions of diseases.

Roland:

They cure things that have been uncurable for years.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah.

Roland:

It's... That's the magic in what's happening inside of the system vis a vis the person and the experience. And I think it's really important to establish a baseline of understanding. Your body as a field of information is always interacting with other fields of information. Yep.

Roland:

If you go on the beach, you have direct sun, you're grounding, you have typically a nice temperature, negative ions, photons. That field of information is essentially like plugging your antenna into the place where it's meant to recharge. Yeah. That's why people feel so good on a beach vacation in addition to the fact that usually not working. But take that same person, plug them into the center of New York City, and they're bombarded by all kinds of frequencies of energy.

Roland:

And I'm not just talking EMF fields. Yes. That's a thing. But sound, pollution, congestion, being in a sea of people can be highly stressful. That influence is gonna be the entire opposite experience of what someone on the beach is gonna basically feel.

Roland:

And as a result of that, that's gonna influence the person's health over the long term.

Michael Scalar:

Absolutely.

Roland:

What being in an EESystem and experiencing Scalar is doing for the person is it's essentially giving their body the ability to start to rewrite default dysfunctional programming in the physiology. To me, I don't see a disease as an accident at all.

Michael Scalar:

You know? Product of your environment, being in a noisy city, your unconscious mind and conscious mind, as well as your your your whole sphere of existence is being bombarded by all these things. And whether you know it or not, you're calculating that guy over there. You're calculating that sound that you can't... You don't know where it's coming from, your sub...

Michael Scalar:

Your unconscious... Subconscious is trying to figure it out. So all these bombardments take all your energy. So when you go into these fields of energy or Scalar energy systems, and it's a quiet space, your body kind of just goes, ah. And then you do have that reprogramming that's occurring through the biophotonic collisions, the cellular communication rolling on the screen through the science of the Scalar Energy creating that zero point space where you're no longer at effect of the bombardment of atmosphere of life, which is why going to nature is probably the next best thing between going to a wellness modality is because you're unplugging from the said noise.

Roland:

Yeah. You said it exactly. There were things that take away your energy leave you with less regenerative capacity and capability. When someone gets ill, that's their body consciously choosing to compensate for a a myriad of stresses. There's no such thing as an illness that is accidental or random or unplanned.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. You don't just end up with something. It's a product of your environment, your lifestyle. Genetics might play a small role, but I think it's really comes down to what is your environment. If you're eating bad foods, if you're...

Michael Scalar:

You have a bad radiological event where that's nuclear or just EMF, though these things all over time are cumulatively. You're eating constantly microwave food, which has no nutrients. There's so many factors in life where where people think, well, I'm fine because I've done it for a year, but you go ten years out, it's slowly destroying you from the inside out.

Roland:

It's insidious. And that's the perspective that I think is really important to hit home for people. When they're given a diagnosis, because they've been so unaware of how they've been feeling, how they've been operating and the influences both externally and internally that they experience on a regular basis, they often feel victimized and say, why did this happen to me? How did this happen to me? It happens when you're not paying attention.

Roland:

And it happens slowly under the surface and the body gives you little warning signs along the way, but most people are either too busy or they're not tapped into their own inner world to take stock of what's actually being said to them through symptoms. Right? It it starts with an imbalance and it becomes a symptom, then it becomes a pathology, then it becomes a full blown disease, and then the body's trying to heal itself. And the reason people don't get well is they lack the energy to heal.

Michael Scalar:

And they're not removing the stressors. They're not. It's two things. They're not... You know, in the party scene, you have your detox, detox kind of scenario where if you're going drinking, you know, you don't do it all week.

Michael Scalar:

You don't do it all month. You you you you and you tox for the weekend, and then the rest of the week, you sauna, you gym, you sweat, you hydrate, you eat well. Detox box. Right. So, and that's just an easy visual for people because alcohol is easy.

Michael Scalar:

Obviously, it's not healthy for you. But you're doing that on long scale throughout the year of you're going to work and you're stressed out. You're you're not getting enough sleep. You're not doing anything to recover or replenish yourself. And that's why the EESystem is such a great thing is you can literally sleep in it.

Michael Scalar:

Go take two hours out of the day where you're just unplugging.

Roland:

And it's so wise to say, and and I'll get a little vulnerable here for a moment if I can. So when when I come out here, obviously, I stay with headquarters is there is a system there. And I used to sleep Big system. Big system

Michael Scalar:

there. Shiny, very, very big Yes.

Roland:

It was small. One day I showed up, it was three times as big. Yeah. I was pretty happy about that. But I consider myself a way more healthy than average person because I try to do what it is that I can among all the variables, food, environment, you know, stress management, supplementation, exercise, all of those things are are big influences on

Michael Scalar:

those people that that actually practices what they preach because most people in the wellness space is Yes. Wealth of knowledge, but terrible at applying it. I'm guilty of that sometimes myself.

Roland:

And I do so quietly because I also don't want what it is that's really important to me to become something that actually becomes a stress because so many people in the wellness space connect their love and passion for health, then they monetize it, and it actually ends up being their undoing because the pull to that becomes so much more important than their foundations.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. That's true.

Roland:

But I've had a few things in my life that have been physical health issues, and I've been working on something specifically for about seven, eight years. I got so sick one time that, my throat swelled up to the point where I couldn't breathe when I was lying down. I I was... I should have gone to the hospital, but I didn't. I had to sit up for two or three nights because I couldn't breathe, so therefore I couldn't sleep.

Roland:

And at one point, one of my tonsils exploded.

Michael Scalar:

Like literally exploded? Or it just shut down harder?

Roland:

No, no, there there was a

Michael Scalar:

Explain the explosion because that's graphic.

Roland:

Pus pocket, like an infection. Woah. Gross. And I remember I put on a glove because I felt I wanted to feel something back there.

Michael Scalar:

I- Oh, so you're like-

Roland:

I actually induced the poppage. Oh my gosh. That's brutal. It was horrible.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. You should've gone to the hospital.

Roland:

Thankfully, I do believe because of all the prep I did in younger years as an athlete, I studied nutrition and functional medicine, I had a good base to be like, I'm healthy enough to survive something, but I probably lost about 20, 25 pounds. Wow. Moving forwards, I've been trying to heal this. And it comes... Healing comes in waves and there's peaks and there's troughs.

Roland:

Mhmm. You feel really good, then sometimes you stress yourself and you overburden yourself with the inability to tolerate the stress. You have a bit of a relapse. I've had these health things that come and go. Every time I come here, I've now moved to sleeping in the system every night that I'm here.

Roland:

I kid you not, the things that have been negatively impacted and affected, digestive wellness, some degree of nervous system dysregulation, which is why I've become so involved in HRV assessing how your nervous system works. Because if you can't get into healing, you can't recruit parasympathetic, getting over an illness is really challenging. I feel all of the things that I normally struggle with after about day two of sleeping in the system really balance out. My digestive system feels great. I have incredible amounts of energy.

Roland:

I even noticed that I hold less water. And you're holding water edema in various aspects of being a little bloated is a sign that your body is fighting or struggling with some sort of inflammation. But I've been doing this. I've been using the EE system among other things for months and if not years at this point. Yeah.

Roland:

What I'm getting at is it's not an instantaneous thing. The body will heal only if the body is put in the right conditions and the right set of environmental influences and factors that allow for the regenerative capacities to be greater than those of the stressors that deplete you. And I'm making this point because we've had a lot of questions about the EE system. People expect something to happen in a miraculous way like that of a light switch. I go in once, I'm cured forever.

Roland:

I'm 40 years old, so I'm still fairly youthful. This thing happened to me when I was about 33 years old. That's seven years of working on something from a perspective of health. Yeah. Imagine you're 50.

Roland:

Imagine you're 60. You've had five or six decades to unfortunately create a set of conditions that is disharmonious to health. You have to dedicate your time and be patient with the process. So there's a direct correlation to how much time has elapsed that you've allowed yourself to develop an illness, that it will take greater amounts of time and decision making to prioritize health, to reverse those conditions, to unburden yourself with no longer being diseased, so to speak. And why I'm saying this stuff is I wanna set the expectation for people.

Roland:

You have to commit to this process for life. Using a wellness technology nowadays, I think is an essential thing because the more we live life and the more that time goes on, we're creating a set of conditions for us, ourselves, humanity, that is always depleting you of energy in some way, shape, or form. Being plugged into social media, always being on a phone, always being engaged in some capacity, not being able to sit still and just enjoy relaxing without feeling like you should be productive. Believe it or not, that will take energy away from you because it is creating a fight or flight like response. Absolutely.

Roland:

Which depletes energy faster. And when you're stuck in a fight or flight response, your body wires that pattern into normalcy, I. E. Your everyday will look very similar to the day before it. So if your days are stressful and busy because of the nature of your reality being conditioned to be that way, healing becomes hard.

Roland:

Even if you eat the right food, even if you take the right supplements. I just had an episode interview that we haven't released yet. Maybe at this point we have, and he has the same belief as me. Supplements and food and those things matter so much less than people think if you don't get the fundamentals right in life. If you don't optimize your decision making around health, if you don't actively participate in keeping yourself accountable to the things that actually charge the body up and obviously you as an individual, whoever this is resonating with, there are things in your life that you have to be very personalized about, things that are energy takers and things that are energy makers.

Roland:

Making sure that you're not on the side of depleting yourself all the time. But that's such an important point because it sets the tone and the precedent for people to understand that healing is not a linear process. And if you've been on the planet for a while and you're struggling with an illness, you have to be holistic in your approach, but also set the expectation that it will take some time. And it's what the EESystem does really well, I think, is it's a synergist to all the other things that you're doing that people don't necessarily know how to factor in. They don't know where scale or energy comes in.

Roland:

They don't really understand how a technology and a field of energy can heal them. And the long and short of it is you place your body in that environment. Your body will heal to whatever the capacity that your body has to heal in that moment, given how much energy it has. The more time you're in an environment of coherence, the greater the capacity for you to recover more energy than you expend and therefore you heal.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Well, a lot of what you said is really important too, because people hear these miracle stories of X, Y, Z occurred and, you know, my doctors didn't know, like, what are you doing? All these things. And they expect they can go in for a short period of time. But first off, the body is still three-dimensional.

Michael Scalar:

So it can't make quantum leaps and jumps. And sometimes it really does. It's like, wow, that's crazy that it happened that quickly because it can. But then everyone goes, well, why didn't I get that? Body has its own priority of energy.

Michael Scalar:

So while you're going, oh, I want my eyesight to get better. The body's going, well, I don't care about your eyesight. That's not a critical function

Roland:

for

Michael Scalar:

you It's to be able it's not something, it's not critical. Right now we have another critical problem in this organ or this organ or the heal this, or your body is literally taking energy and it's very intuitive. It knows exactly where to put the energy when it has it to facilitate the body's own healing mechanism. So people really think, oh, this is a magic bullet. I'm gonna go in and, you know, it's almost like they want elective surgery.

Michael Scalar:

I'm gonna go in and my boobs are gonna get bigger. It's like, it's like, that's not how this works.

Roland:

Doesn't just happen. So it's not not

Michael Scalar:

a magic bullet, but it has been for a lot of people. So it's good to kind of correct this thing of, well, I need only need to go here a few times. I'm get these miraculous results with the EES. But also it's it's... You look at it from a perspective as you were talking about over time, you've been here for forty years on this planet.

Michael Scalar:

It took you forty years to get into the shape or unshape that you were here. A 50 year old, it's, you know, you're you're fighting it's fifty years of cumulative environmental impact. And so while plugging yourself in, it might take days, it might take months, it might take weeks. You're moving the needle in the correct direction, which is the proper way of looking at Like you go into the gym and you're thirty pounds overweight, you go for a week and be like, well, I didn't lose the 30 pounds. It's like that 30 pounds took you twenty years to get, you know, but the more you apply a proper procedure process to whatever you're trying to facilitate becoming better in your life, your body, mind, spirit, etcetera, there's all these little tools.

Michael Scalar:

It is cumulative. It requires a whole process too. Know, have diabetics go into the EES and they go, Oh, well, now I can cheat. I brought this up as a joke the other day. Now I can cheat and I can go have this pie and I'm gonna eat the whole pie.

Michael Scalar:

Then it's like, Bro, like, if your blood sugar normalized, you don't-

Roland:

Don't go abuse it. Don't do the thing that caused you to have dysregulated blood sugar in first

Michael Scalar:

You have to change your life. You have to change your environment. So the EESystem is one aspect. Hopefully EESystem give you the energy and enthusiasm to go be like, maybe I should find some sweets that are like sweetened with dates. So I can get my sweet and eat it too.

Michael Scalar:

I love watermelon recently, we're in watermelon season. So I'm like, instead of reaching for ice cream, I'm like, I'll literally eat half a watermelon. Well,

Roland:

also makes you become more addicted to the notions of health. Right? So if you feel better, not only do you have, I believe more capacity to make decisions and fend off urges, because I think people who succumb to urges and impulses, they don't have enough energy in their system, in their brain to actually sit there and go through the phase of discomfort and come out on the other side and go, oh, that was just a program. That was just something that I've habitually indulged in because of whatever unhealthy patterns and behaviors I've welcomed into my life. As I feel better, I will become more aware of the contrast of how that makes me feel and prioritize better behaviors.

Roland:

People unfortunately are conditioned to replicate what it is that is habitual to them. Yeah. And when someone's unwell, the idea of feeling good is just an idea. You can't know feeling good until you've actually felt good in contrast.

Michael Scalar:

That's a funny thing too, because people are going for the short term dopamine hits and sweets and things like that give this this short term rush, but then you crash. So you really do need to focus on chasing that dragon, to speak, on a longer scale, not a short scale, because you're gonna feel amazing if you remove all these stressors from your life, which can be food, it can be negative energy, like, or if you're doing things that are positively influencing energy, like a eating system, you're gonna feel better long term over the day, over the week, over the month versus chasing short term fixes. This is kind of the addiction model of society, or I'm gonna pound caffeine, I'm gonna pound alcohol, I'm gonna pound sugar, I'm gonna pound white flour. These different things that you get these dopamine rushes and you're like, oh, this feels so good for five minutes, ten minutes, or maybe an hour. And then after that you feel like crap for the rest of the day.

Michael Scalar:

So people, again, focus on your long term goal of being healthy and holistic and well, and that builds.

Roland:

And this is where something like this fits in. You know, I think a lot of people struggle nowadays because they're inundated with information about health. Like, I've gotten irritated with the health industry in the sense that everyone's trying to hook me in and sell me something that takes only about ten seconds for me to actually have to commit to. And that creates a culture Take

Michael Scalar:

a shot.

Roland:

Take this pill. Exactly. And that creates a culture of that is the expectation of how much time I should dedicate to understanding something. Think about the complexity of

Michael Scalar:

the human body. Highly complex. It's like an AI supercomputer, but on a biological level that no one freaking understands, including most doctors.

Roland:

Exactly. And we're in a world where what dicks... What... Dicks. Can we leave that in?

Roland:

The dicks are doing this now. What dictates our understanding of health is actually biology, anatomy, physiology, and a little bit of biochemistry. Mhmm. Physics is what ultimately tells all the sciences what to do. And I think this is why people don't understand that the physics of an energy technology is going to program your body to operate in the best and highest interest of how the body is meant to operate.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. I'll give

Roland:

you an example. If you cut your finger, who heals the cut?

Michael Scalar:

The body.

Roland:

If you break a bone, you go to the doctor, they set your arm in a cast. Who heals the bone?

Michael Scalar:

The

Roland:

body. If you get a flu, do you have to think about how to overwhelm a virus?

Michael Scalar:

No, your body naturally, all... There's a million mechanisms in the body that no one understands, and they literally are all like, all right, how do we get you back to homeostasis?

Roland:

And this is... This was an moment I had because I've been in the health and wellness industry, specifically also in the supplement industry for over a decade. The supplement you take, the thing that you put in your body is also still not what heals you. It is a signal to influence the body, to remind the body of how to do something that it's forgotten how to do, that's probably keeping you compromised. So the body is the only thing that ever heals itself.

Roland:

Anything you put in the body is what I call an input signal. That input signal is gonna have an effect and that effect is gonna dictate an outcome, cause and effect. So if I, over the course of five or ten years, start eating garbage food, become more sedentary, stay up really late, do not block blue light before I go to bed, wake up around noon, all the things that the health people are telling you not to do. This is not by accident. That outcome in ten years is my body is going to have a consistent series of inputs that's gonna influence the overall state of health it's going to experience as a result of every decision that I've made.

Roland:

Yeah. So that person in ten years is likely gonna be more tired, less rested, have lower tolerance to physical and psychological emotional stress. Mhmm. They're going to be more overweight. They're going to be less mobile, and they're probably gonna have an overall more pessimistic outcome of life because they've surrounded themselves with something that ages them faster.

Roland:

Yeah. The body is just following the instructions. And when that person turns their life around and they start prioritizing better quality food and being outside and getting some natural sunlight and not watching garbage on TV and being less sedentary, all of a sudden they're gonna have a different body habitus. Their body composition is gonna Their posture might change. Mhmm.

Roland:

They may wake up and they may have more vibrance in their eyes. They may look and feel healthier, have a more positive mindset. Again, it's not the thing that fixed them that they decided. It was the sum of all of those decisions Yep. The process.

Roland:

Created the outcome.

Michael Scalar:

The the wellness journey process.

Roland:

Exactly. Yeah. That's how I think people should start thinking about the EE system because you're going into a field of energy that has no discordance with your physiology. This is what they say that Scalar is really powerful for. The human body seems to know how to resonate with Scalar in a way where the Scalar energy interfacing with the body maximizes the body's efficiency of how much work it can get done using as little energy as possible.

Roland:

Does that make sense?

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Well, wanna keep this too long because we could go on and on about this. Can you sum up what your, in like a bullet point, what your experience on a wellness journey was using the EESystem before you were obviously doing a lot of wellness things and then using the EESystem, what were those like in bullet points?

Roland:

So the thing that I noticed specifically when I brought the EESystem into my reality was it gave me a deeper ability to drop into a state where I could relax enough and minimize my energetic loss and maximize my energetic recovery. That makes sense? Yeah. So it gave my body the ability to just interrupt the program of Roland being busy and productive in the day. If I went into the system and I just dropped in and relaxed and I was able to just, which I think most people are missing nowadays, which is why people get stuck on the hamster wheel and they get incredibly depleted.

Roland:

Yeah. The other thing I've noticed when you're in the system, there's less desire to fight being relaxed. Like this morning I woke up early and normally I wake up, I spring out of bed, I wanna start the day. Today I woke up and I just went, I'm just gonna lie here for half an hour. And I was able to calmly meditate in a way where it allowed me to tap into something that needed to come through as a message for me.

Roland:

I think there's something about being in the EE system and what the energy does that allows you to create coherence on all levels, physical, mental, emotional, spiritual. And when you can align those four aspects of the person, that person can be in an optimal state for who they are, for how they are. Yeah. So for me, it's definitely deepened my ability to understand how to tap into down regulating my nervous system. And beyond that, I think it's been an incredible benefit because of how much I've had to be on technology for work.

Roland:

Even though it is a technology, it's not a field of energy that's stressing me out. It's a field, it's a recovery regenerative field of energy.

Michael Scalar:

All right. Well, mean, that's great. Do you know anyone in your sphere of people that have had any crazy stories with EES? I'll tell mine while you think about it. I mean, for...

Michael Scalar:

I've been living it for a long time, and I gave that analogy of, like, you get in the the pool for the first time, it was, like, kinda shocking. And then you you go in and out of the pool during that period of time, and it's... You're just already wet. So the fun thing is being in and out of the technology. Sometimes I travel for, a month, and I take it for granted because I'm just like, oh yeah, I've normalized to this energetic field always being around.

Michael Scalar:

And it's like an air conditioning unit. You're in it, you're like, oh yeah, the temperature's fine. And then you go into the hot and you're like, oh my god, I miss that energy. But I noticed when I've been traveling for a month, I noticed that I have... I...

Michael Scalar:

A, I can't meditate without a EESystem. It's wild. It's difficult for me to do that because there's too much noise. So you're right. You totally tune in.

Michael Scalar:

For me, I've beat up my body in a million different ways. Being... Just doing guy stuff, working out correctly, incorrectly, etcetera. I've sprained both my ankles. I have a hole in one of my knees, but I have no pain.

Michael Scalar:

I also don't have tinnitus after being in the music industry. I'm the only one of all my friends in the music industry, they're like, You don't have the ring in your ear? I'm like, No. I'm like, Did you use earplugs? I'm like, No.

Michael Scalar:

But we have a lot of people explain that their tinnitus goes away in this EESystem. So those are my things. But also when I'm... When I get back from traveling and I look in the mirror, I look aged. And then after just a couple days of being back in the system, my skin tightens up.

Roland:

Interesting.

Michael Scalar:

It's absolutely wild how much, like there's an elasticity. We've had other system owners would be like, people were asking me if I got a facelift. And I was just like, Well, I

Roland:

told you the holding water versus being leaner and having less edema, it does something to down regulate the inflammation in your system.

Michael Scalar:

There's inflammation which we show with the thermography that definitely is provable through thermography that reduces inflammation. But also with the blood work that we've shown in research, your blood has more fluidity. So it's gonna travel all those things through the body. So oxygen, water, hydration, minerals, all these things are actually gonna make their way through versus being stuck.

Roland:

Which oxygen carrying capacity, if anyone could pick one thing to focus on for health, it's oxygen dynamics, which is so boring, but it's foundational because that's how we make energy.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. It's valid. Everyone thinks it's so simple, but it's like one of the most important, two most important things, oxygen, hydration.

Roland:

Absolutely. Other than that Life is simple. That's it. That's fun. That's foundational.

Roland:

That's really why we have a mitochondria to make energy in the presence of oxygen for another day. So I I don't have any miracle stories that are coming to mind, but I remember the first time my wife and I did a four hour session in the system. This was was about three, four years ago when I was living in Florida. We went to a... It was a 24 unit system, and we both just conked out in and out, in and out.

Roland:

So we left and wanted to go to the grocery store to pick up some groceries on the way home. Mhmm. And I remember the first time, like, I felt like a foreigner in a strange land. Like, I was in slow mo. Everyone was buzzing around me, and Tory and I are looking at each other, like, do you feel this way too?

Roland:

Everything was so calm. Like, it was this weird kind of glimpse into how normal probably felt before the advent of modern technology and various, you know,

Michael Scalar:

energetic I would summarize that as a drop in cortisol, your body's no longer stressed out and running around. I gotta do all these things. You're just like in the moment.

Roland:

It was a massive recruitment of the parasympathetic system to the point where it was so foreign and weird. We were both asking ourselves what the hell is going on? But an interesting story is a client of mine has a 24 unit system in the house. He has three kids, all of which are under 11 years old. I love listening to children's depictions of things.

Roland:

The youngest, the middle one walked into the room, he's looking around and he commented that the air felt thicker in the room. He could feel.

Michael Scalar:

The energy, but didn't know how to describe it.

Roland:

And kids are energetically open for two reasons. One, they haven't been programmed and conditioned yet, but a kid doesn't have what's called full myelination of the brain and the nervous system.

Michael Scalar:

It's the

Roland:

reason that we can't rent a car until you're 25 is your man's brain isn't fully myelinated. There's no insulation. It's picking up more information in the surrounding environment. Also, you shouldn't let your kid play on a tablet or a phone too much.

Michael Scalar:

Another conversation.

Roland:

Children have the ability to perceive energy fields greater than that of adults because they don't have the same level of insulation. So when the kid's desiring to go in the room and it makes them feel calm and they can texturize and describe the environment, you know there's something going on in that room that is not present in the rest of the rooms of the house. Yeah. That is what you're interfacing with. And that is what you want to experience more often than not if you are unwell, because it is the cumulative effects of committing to that process that is gonna teach your body or I should say a gentle reminder of how to teach your body on a regular basis to prioritize healing.

Michael Scalar:

Gotcha. Well, I wanna bring up since we're gonna stop, I wanna shift to more of the science because people wanna know how how does it work even though most people still won't figure it out. But if you're watching this and you wanna see more miraculous stories than what we're just kind of pontificating between us, go to our website, read the testimonials. You can... There's a search bar.

Michael Scalar:

If you wanna find out something about kidney, you can type in the word kidney. It'll search all the testimonials. There's thousands of them. Some are video. If you have a miracle story, please go there and input one.

Michael Scalar:

It will allow you to actually input a testimonial. And if you're fascinated about the technology, obviously, use the center locator. There's probably a center near you and you can go check it out, try it out, have a good little session and see what we're talking about. Now, I know how the EESystem works, and I love it when other people explain it because you've been diving into Scalar technology and the theory for a while. So I wanted to ping you and see how you explain Scalar energy as a science, how you achieve it.

Michael Scalar:

And I'll I'll kind of fill in blanks if I feel, but I I actually wanna hear you say... People have heard me say it before. So let's let's try it.

Roland:

Yeah. I'll give it a crack because I have been diving more and more into this because like you, I like to understand things and not just on a surface level. I like the what, why, and the how. Mhmm. And as I've gotten deeper into Scalar, it's actually funny.

Roland:

There's two camps. There's the people that say it's not a thing, and there's the people who say it's actually a thing, but it's outside the realm of what we're used to in terms of energy. So you can't measure scalar energy as you can electromagnetic energy. You can't bring a trifield meter into a room and expect something to give you a reading because you're measuring something that's outside the third dimension technically. So from my understanding, the only way you can create Scalar is to have two counter opposing forces at a 180 degrees at each other where you can collide those two electromagnetic energies, and it converts that into something beyond the electromagnetic spectrum.

Roland:

Correct. So is that a fair way to say it? You're creating a new field of energy, and a field of energy can be thought of as a field of information. Mhmm. Because people think energy, they think electricity, something that can electrocute you.

Roland:

That's not what energy is. That's an element of energy. But energy is anything where you have molecules dancing their unique dance. Yeah. That creates a field of information.

Roland:

That information imparts an effect on everything around it. Yep. So scalar energy is is interesting because it's a field of energy that has no degradation. There's no net loss.

Michael Scalar:

I'll say that in physics, they say scalar theory and it's theoretical because it's defined as visible by a fact. You can't measure scalar energy. It's a fifth dimensional nonlinear non hertzian standing wave. So that sounds like a mouthful to a lot of people, I'm sure. So I'll kind of elaborate.

Michael Scalar:

So a torsion field is the best way of describing how scalar energy is. And it's not visible because it's not Hertzian. Hertzian is, if you're watching my fingers and for those listening on audio, I'm making a squiggle. So you see Hertzian, and you'll see it on oscilloscope. It's those wavelengths, and they can be wider for low frequencies.

Michael Scalar:

Shorter for

Roland:

shows you the bandwidth of where that frequency is operating.

Michael Scalar:

These are linear, so you

Roland:

can

Michael Scalar:

map them out point a to point b. They have, you know, a direction, a vector. So scalar is non vector field.

Roland:

Yeah, there's no direction. It's just... And that's

Michael Scalar:

why the torus is a great way of picturing it. And before the torus, I would kind of describe it as a sphere of energy imploding on itself and then exploding outward in an infinite direction because it's a field, it's not a wave. And that's where a lot of people get confused as scalar wave. Scalar wave is just like a term to get people to help understand a little more. It's a scalar energy waveform, but it's field.

Michael Scalar:

It's more of a column.

Roland:

It's a standing column. Column or wave.

Michael Scalar:

Yes. So, but people always wanna know how to verify in their mind that this thing is a thing. And it's really, it's a thing and it's not a thing because it's outside of our dimension. So if we're three-dimensional trying to visualize something fifth dimensional, the best way to do it is an artistic expression, which is why the torus or a giant infinite field capacity kind of comes to mind and you can just visualize it. But in science, there's no measuring it.

Michael Scalar:

And I love CERN. I was reading a lot of their paperwork and it was fascinating because what they're doing is the collision of photons. This is a scalar event and they're not measuring the event. They're measuring the atmosphere around the event. So temperature, different little, they're throwing every little field survey tool they can at the atmosphere around the event to calculate what's occurring.

Michael Scalar:

And it's really fascinating to think. So it's visible by effect, same thing. It's certain visible effect. They're not actually measuring the collision of the photon. They're measuring the space around it.

Roland:

And the outcome of colliding the two photons to... Because they're trying to create something by colliding photons. Correct?

Michael Scalar:

Correct.

Roland:

And and that's where, you know, you you mentioned the environment around. Temperature by definition is an example of Scalar. Absolutely. Because think about it. If you walk outside, no matter if you're at the city center of wherever you live or you drive 20, 30 miles, as long as you're not climbing a mountain Mhmm.

Roland:

Temperature is a uniform thing, but it's not going anywhere. Like, you can't get away from the temperature by running to a different place outside.

Michael Scalar:

Just the air con.

Roland:

Exactly. You have to you have to change the environment.

Michael Scalar:

You have to change the environment. Yeah.

Roland:

Enveloped by temperature. And and if you were to visualize a landscape with temperature, you would just have this constant influence of temperature being visually almost static Mhmm. At that location not changing. It's... I I try to think of good visual depictions, and it's it's the best one I have.

Roland:

But know, when you're watching, like, a a creepy movie and there's this field and you have this fog just hanging in the field. Yeah. That fog will dissipate. But... So it's not a great example, but that fog hanging in a field with no movement, no intended direction, just hanging there.

Roland:

That's how I visualize being in a column or wave. It's just healthy fog. Yes. Health fog. It's just around you.

Roland:

And that's why I use the the example of going in there, the field of information interfaces with the body by you walking into this Mhmm. The radius of where the column... The column or field of energy is, you're in that scalar field. So therefore, you're deriving the benefits from absorbing what the information gives your body as far as an instruction.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. Well, and then so we started with the scaler, is the big bud... Buzzword, but it's not the only thing that EES does. So you have the collision of photons. We were talking about CERN, how they're colliding photons.

Michael Scalar:

Similar effect of photon quantum light. So we have the screens generating advanced color therapy on... And when that occurs, when you have those collision of photons, I like to give it that visual representation of creating little baby god particles. Cause it's like just a cool way of saying it. Again, we're in theoretical science, so it's an artistic expression of theory.

Michael Scalar:

But when you have all these collisions of photons occurring all around you, you're creating this, this extra added benefit of God particle energy throughout the space, which is just a fun way of again expressing it. But you have the benefits of the color therapy as people go, oh, what frequencies exactly are in here? I'm like, well, mean, you can look up the frequencies of these different colors because that's the only frequency specific thing in the EES is what we're using color, which each one correlates with a different frequency. I don't think the frequency as much really relates to a logic for people to understand as just as knowing that your mood can be shifted from a red light to a blue light. Red is gonna make you feel like kind of amped up.

Michael Scalar:

Blue is gonna make you feel more relaxed and calm. These are all studies that people have done over the years. That's why you go into a hospital, they use a lot of light blues and blues because people are stressed out in the hospital. So they figured out if they make everything blue, it's gonna calm them down and make them not like freak out in the hospital. It's really fascinating when a lot of people go, Oh, color therapy is not a real thing.

Michael Scalar:

It's absolutely... Just you're more likely to ingest something that's a orange or a red just because you're excited about that color.

Roland:

They're stimulatory. It's sim... Exactly. And it's not the same light therapy as people who buy red light panels or the... It's...

Roland:

You're not saying, well, this red at 660 nanometers. It's the influence of red on the subconscious, seeing it, the brain recognizing it, and seeing the scroll of the different colors creates a balance because you're not getting a dominant color other than that specific screen, but there's a multitude of screens operating in different colors. So it gives you that holistic experience of color therapy.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. And so, I mean, I remember when we first we first started working with EES way back in the day, everyone thought color therapy was complete woo woo. And then now it's like a giant science. Same thing with Scalar. Oh, complete woo.

Michael Scalar:

Now everyone's hyping it. There's a million Scalar technologies out there. Half of them using our commentary and research and explanations for things.

Roland:

And actually providing any actual

Michael Scalar:

a lot of them aren't doing anything Scalar. They're just like, oh, that's a new buzzword. So buyer beware, there's lot of things out there that claim to be EES like, but aren't. But we'll move on to the next... One of the next aspects of the EES, and that's what you're seeing on the screen.

Michael Scalar:

It's the interface with the DNA. It's designed to look like 12 strands of DNA, or I mean, whether you believe in 12 or two, the interface of the DNA on any scale, two, three, four, 12, it's the mathematics of connecting to the body. So we use the Fibonacci as an antenna. Your body is built in Fibonacci. All life, you can track the Fibonacci to it.

Michael Scalar:

So when you incorporate these mathematics, it's cellular communication, antenna receiver of using math to connect with math. And then also there's the positive, what we call cellular communication that you'll kind of see on the screen as well. So we're literally biohacking, trying to program the body into its best and highest. So these combination of different modalities all into one thing, which would be the EESystem, are really where we're getting these amazing effects on people. And what are your thoughts on on what I just said there?

Roland:

Well, I think it's really interesting because hearing that my mind goes to you're influencing the body on multiple levels simultaneously, and that's what heals someone. You know, it's not...

Michael Scalar:

It's a kitchen sink.

Roland:

But it's... It's... It's... Humans don't do one variable at a time. So if you're wanting to do a double blind placebo controlled crossover study on the effects of a medication versus a placebo, you're looking at outcome based stuff by putting something in.

Roland:

Yeah. That is not real life because the body's being chronically influenced by a multitude of factors all at once, every second of the day, every day that you're on this planet. Totally. So when you're trying to heal on a multitude of levels, you're actually healing the whole person. Because, you know, I started an exercise.

Roland:

I thought exercise was the thing that everyone needed. Then you naturally move to nutrition And you realize, oh, this is great, but these people are dealing with these symptoms. So I wish I had a way of understanding these better. You start understanding how anatomy physiology works and you get into testing, and then you get deeper into the functional medicine stuff and you realize you're just treating the meat suit. You're not like everyone who's coming in has trauma and the stories and stresses.

Roland:

So then you start going deeper into the psychological aspect of the person and you realize, wow, they're emotionally very dysregulated. And then when you could dive deeper into that, you realize, wow, everyone who feels like they're alone and they don't have a relationship with God struggles and suffers. So what I'm saying healing on multiple levels, I'm not saying, oh, on the subconscious and the physical, I'm saying you're addressing the physical person, You're influencing their mood. So you're influencing the psychological. Think about when you paint your bedroom, you know, where you go from one color to another.

Roland:

The first time you walk in that room, it feels different.

Michael Scalar:

Oh,

Roland:

yeah. What's changed? Just the color on the walls.

Michael Scalar:

It's the environment though.

Roland:

The environment has changed. So therefore you have changed by placing yourself in that environment. Then with the idea of the photonic collision influencing the body's ability to regulate things like circadian rhythm, That's another level because that's programming the nervous system to down regulate and regulate physiologic functions because a person whose circadian rhythm is off is a person who's out of sync with their third dimensional reality, they're going to get sick.

Michael Scalar:

Well, and, you know, you brought up light again, and that popped something in my mind is there's scientists, Pontus Pappas. He literally said that the primary, function of the DNA is the storage of light. And that's kind of the research now. So you... Light is is more power...

Michael Scalar:

Powerful than people realize. And that's why when people are using like light bulbs and stuff, kinda wanna go toward full spectrum or some... There's some that are like ultra unhealthy and there's some that are mid ground and some that are, you know, are gonna benefit. So if you're gonna have light, you actually wanna get that right light, which is why you wanna go out the sun and get your vitamin D.

Roland:

Correct.

Michael Scalar:

You shouldn't be taking vitamin D supplements.

Roland:

Well, there's even more than vitamin D in the sun. The sun is the ultimate psycho regulator. You just have to know how to use it, and it's beyond the scope of this. But to the point that you just say, light is a more important foundational thing to talk about with my clients than food nowadays. Yeah.

Roland:

Environment to me is more important than supplements because that's that's the base of the triangle. So when we're healing on a multitude of levels from a physiologic, psychologic, and emotional perspective, that allows that person to really rewire their sense of reality. And this is something that I'll just touch on. I can talk from my own experience. If I spend a lot of time in EE system and I allow myself to relax and I choose to drop in, I believe that you can find a way to communicate with, call it meta self, higher self.

Roland:

There's some-

Michael Scalar:

The universe, God. Some... Word you wanna use for it.

Roland:

We'll call it some non third dimensional experience that is able to be had more easily that I believe all answers in your life lie inside of you. The potential for understanding is always internal. Some things external to you bring that to your awareness, but like there is no reality without you because everything you're experiencing is actually inside of you. All the information is being processed by the brain and projected so you can actually have a human experience.

Michael Scalar:

Well, it's it's funny because you... You're basically talking about like an internal self dialogue. Mhmm. And most people need psycho... Psychedelics to do that.

Michael Scalar:

It's so easy in the EE system. You just kind of tune in, drop drop down into it. And because we both had psychedelics. Yes. You know exactly what I'm talking about.

Michael Scalar:

Viewers, if you've done psychedelics, you know that introspective where you're... You remove yourself and you analyze yourself. It's so easy inside the EESystem where you just tune in and and, you know, you know, you can go to sleep afterwards as as opposed to taking some of the the fun trippy stuff.

Roland:

I mean, I had one two days ago where just before I went to bed, I went super deep into an experience, and you have to be comfortable with these experiences to try to understand the symbolism, like the symbology or the symbolism that comes through what what what you're shown, but there are elements for you to see things about yourself that are opportunities to change. Yeah. And why I'm bringing this up and why it's so important to make this point, I've never met someone who has a physical ailment that started as a physical ailment. Believe everyone who gets diseased experiences something that is way down lower than just the third dimensional manifestation of what they're struggling with and what gets ceremoniously diagnosed. And, you know, I anoint you with this disease.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. It is. I think the caveat would be something like acute radiation poisoning from you.

Roland:

Car accident.

Michael Scalar:

Fall out of a tree. But on your normal, just average sick person, it's the culmination of life events, their psychology, their environment, their food, all these things. And no one really wants to take accountability for that. Either like, oh, I just got really unlucky and I got cancer. It's like, you did a lot of shit to get to get cancer.

Michael Scalar:

Like, didn't get unlucky, was you. Yeah.

Roland:

And I have my own theory as to why the miraculous things happen to certain people is because they have arrived at the absolute perfect moment for them to realize that true core driver of their momentary distress or struggle. And because that stuff is quantized, meaning it's in an ever perpetual now, the past is a linear projection that we we like, understand only as humans because it was a moment of now that's now gone. Those people tap into those moments of what caused their issue. And therefore when they heal that it catches up to them in real time and they have the experience of a miraculous self healing. Does that make sense?

Roland:

Yeah. I, because I've thought about these healings before.

Michael Scalar:

After years of being with EES, I've noticed a really interesting trend. So you, you have two people, let's say two categories of people with cancer. The old person that wants to check out and the mother or father that has children that they wanna stay around to be part of more. It doesn't take a huge guess to figure out which one actually sticks around more often than not. Cause some people literally they've made their peace with the world God.

Michael Scalar:

They don't have a lot to live with, for, with, etcetera. They're just like, I'm done

Roland:

here.

Michael Scalar:

And the body literally goes, okay, we're done here. And it starts shutting itself down and it doesn't want a healing process. These people won't have a kid or someone that, Oh, I gotta get my dad in here and my mom here. It's like, they've already checked out. They really don't wanna be here anymore.

Michael Scalar:

It's because they're just not happy here. When you don't have happiness in life, healing becomes hard because your body is literally hearing, Oh, we're done here. And it checks out. But on the flip side, someone has a real strong desire to live. They are the ones that turn around.

Michael Scalar:

They will do anything and everything to fight to be around. And it's typically for their family. And it's fascinating just to see the psychology of how powerful the mind is over someone's ability to live. Really just starts with their wanting and willingness and their drive of being like, I am not going anywhere. I don't care what it takes.

Michael Scalar:

I'm gonna get better. And those people always get better.

Roland:

It's crazy. It's the belief. And I think by spending time in the system, we all have that inner ability. We all have the ability to tap into the metaphysical side of our realities and influence based upon like shifting our internal reality, shifting our DNA, changing the quanta of light that the DNA is... However you wanna describe it.

Roland:

Yeah. But you have to spend time and be willing to do the work to get in touch with that aspect of yourself because that's where the miracles actually come from. It's you. Yeah. It's all you, but you have to do the work to get through the layers of everything that's covered up to prevent you from accessing that part of yourself that stops you from healing.

Roland:

Because you said it really well there. People who don't wanna be here stop themselves from healing. Yeah. Because they either don't want to, don't believe they can, or don't believe they deserve to heal.

Michael Scalar:

Degenerate thought... Degenerate is a great word. Degenerative thought processing. I mean, it causes you to just implode.

Roland:

Mhmm. And that's why when you originally asked me, what do I think about the Scalar plus the photon therapy plus the affirmations? You're moving all of the needles in the direction

Michael Scalar:

You of have your normal bombardment of EMF stress, all these societal things that occur, and you're switching it a 180 to a bombardment of all these wellness things all

Roland:

at once. Yeah. And I think that's a wonderful way to look at it. Yeah. Probably a great way to cap off this.

Michael Scalar:

Yeah. A great way to cap off. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks for joining us. If you do want to find out more about the EESystem technology, go to eesystem.com, find a center locator is on there. If you're fascinated in buying a system, obviously that's available on there.

Michael Scalar:

We sell to private and public individuals. Go visit an EESystem center. They are all over the place. They're lovely people. And I guess that wraps us for now.

Michael Scalar:

We'll see you next time and hopefully by next time you will have your own EES story, a miracle story to input on our testimonial page.