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The Healthy Wealth Experience - Where Financial Success Meets Personal Wellbeing
Host Chris Hall combines 30+ years in finance with wellness expertise to help entrepreneurs and professionals build wealth without sacrificing their health. From investment strategies to money management, we offer advice to make financial success more sustainable.
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We now grew from six guys to almost 70 or so guys just in one year. And it's really you know, the key is surrounding yourself with other driven like minded men. It's like the standards of your peer group are the standards of who you become. Right? And so it just really was a game changer.
Chris Hall:Hello, and welcome to Healthy Wealth by Reading Financial Advisors. I am Chris Hall. I'm your host. I also run Reading Financial Advisors. And also, I am so excited to talk to you about my next guest, Barton Henderson.
Chris Hall:And he has a lot of really cool stuff to talk about today, but I'm gonna go ahead and let him introduce himself. So Barton, thank you for being on the show. Tell us a little bit about yourself.
Barton Henderson:Chris, great talking. You know, one thing I really like about your podcast is that you've got various topics, right? You're not just talking about investing, you're not just talking about health, but you go back and forth. Because sometimes I've got a lot of podcasts I listen to, just the same thing over and over can get old, but I love to see the various topics that you're hitting and helping people get better in different areas of life.
Chris Hall:Thank you.
Barton Henderson:So
Chris Hall:Yeah. That was actually one of the reasons I so sorry. That was one of reasons I changed it to healthy wealth. Yeah. Because, like, I didn't wanna just talk about, you know, stocks and bonds and mutual funds the entire time, but there is a lot of truth to the idea that you're not really truly wealthy unless you're also healthy to go with it.
Barton Henderson:Totally. Totally.
Chris Hall:That's why it's like health is
Barton Henderson:Big one that we talk about all the time, which is Yeah. You look at some of the men in our men's networks who are very successful, and it's not that they became financially successful and then started working out and things of that nature rather, it's they've had that kind of mentality of health throughout their lives and just bring that into other areas of lives as well, right? Because it gives you
Chris Hall:Right.
Barton Henderson:The energy and things you need to get all that done. But quick intro of myself, guess. I'm a father, a husband, that's kind of the things that I associate with most. On top of that, I'm an attorney, angel investor, run Agora Guild, is our men's network, which really brings me the most amount of passion nowadays. But really just love connecting with great people, connecting the dots and helping people elevate in, whatever area of life it might be, really.
Chris Hall:I love that. That actually seems to be kind of a theme for me lately is the men's groups and the, like, the having accountability partners and things like that. So Yeah. I I have a really good friend who's kinda turned me on to a couple of people in his group. And just, you know, having that ability to have people to talk to who kinda have a vested interest in you, but aren't necessarily your boss is a kind of a cool idea.
Chris Hall:And I definitely want to dig into that. But before we get kind of going in that direction, tell us a little bit about how you you said you're not earlier before we started, you're not really practicing law at the at I'm like as a like a practice, but you're consulting things like that. Tell us how someone as young as yourself is kind of already been able to move on and do other things as far as investing in men's groups and stuff like that.
Barton Henderson:Yes. So, you know, when I went to law school, was in I was a JD MBA, so at least I knew I wanted to get my MBA as well. So I was always more business minded than than law minded, I wasn't quite sure where I wanted to go. But throughout all of law school, I kept talking to so many attorneys who would say, you know, it's not all it's cracked up to be. You're only, you know, not everybody's in the courtroom.
Barton Henderson:Not, you know, you're usually behind your desk and you're reading all day long and writing and so, you know, it's not glamorous per se unless you make it that way. You're going to be a trial attorney. And so before I got into law school, was interning in the US Senate and I kind of made a promise to myself which was I'm not going to just waste another three years of my life in undergrad. I worked all throughout undergrad and I paid during undergrad, but I felt like those were four years of not yet starting a business, not yet moving forward the things in my life. And so I said, I'm only gonna go to law school if I can do something to push my life forward essentially.
Barton Henderson:And so I said, all right, my kind of deal with myself is if I can figure out a company to start while I'm in law school, then I'll do it. And so when I was much younger, you know, 16, 17, I worked for a company that essentially printed shirts and things like that and sold them to like TJ Maxx and Marshalls. They put like skulls on it and then sell them to TJ Maxx or whatever it might be or whatever the design was. And so I said, you know, I know this business. That's somewhere that I can go.
Barton Henderson:And so during law school, I'd study all day. I'd come home. At nighttime I would print t shirts in my kitchen. My wife has fond memories of me doing this, go to bed and then wake up at four a. M.
Barton Henderson:Again to meet my study group at five a. M. And get right into it. So I was doing that all throughout law school and by the time I graduated, through the contracts I had gotten and sales and things like that, I was pretty much making as much money as an attorney would have made. And I said, well, this is kind of this has a lot of potential.
Barton Henderson:So I'm gonna put my energy and time here. So I still went, I took the bar. I'm I'm licensed in New York and New Jersey. I do, legal consulting. I go into top firms in The US and I teach them about marketing, networking, how to pass the bar, things of that nature.
Barton Henderson:But the company grew and grew and grew. My wife then took over the daily functions of it and we got eventually Inc. Magazine's top 10 fastest growing companies in The US privately owned. And it just continued to take off from there and that gave us a lot of other freedom to do other things. And so it was
Chris Hall:you know
Barton Henderson:a little bit of hard work, little bit of luck, a little bit of everything you know.
Chris Hall:That sounds like mostly hard work. 4AM and then doing the stuff in your kitchen at night that sounds like mostly hard work.
Barton Henderson:Definitely a lot of The
Chris Hall:old saying the harder I work the luckier I get.
Barton Henderson:There you go. That's it. Yeah. Absolutely. Nice.
Barton Henderson:Absolutely.
Chris Hall:That's cool. So and we had talked about investing. And so traditionally, obviously, my listeners for the most part understand my concepts of investing. Mhmm. You know, we're talking about, you know, four zero one k's and IRA's and Yeah.
Chris Hall:Know, things like that, mutual fund stocks, etcetera. But tell me a little bit more about, like, what you're into, like, how you are investing your money because I know it's a little bit more than the traditional sense.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. So obviously, of us are giving financial advice right now. Just Correct. Put put that out there. So the thing to note is before even going on to this investing, I think everybody needs the base that you're talking about, right?
Barton Henderson:Which is that base is different for everybody else, but it might be whole term life insurance policies, then mutual funds and stocks, then savings, other things. And then we talk about real estate, and then we talk about other alternative investments, let's say. But for those people who who want to go there, I think alternative investing, angel investing, is a really awesome way to to be able to control your investments to to a degree and also have fun while doing it. So, my wife and I do angel investing in all sorts of ventures, whether it's from golfing companies or liquor companies to, landscaping companies to our biggest holdings are in, gold and rare earth metal and silver mines in Colorado. And so, and and tons of other industries as well.
Barton Henderson:But the the point is we look for investing in companies that we can have some degree of control over. Now we're not coming in and taking the controlling stake and managing the companies or anything like that, but we want the ability to have some degree of control over the company. So if, for instance, the S and P 500 takes a dive for three weeks, we're not as affected by it because we're able to control maybe an HVAC company because you're working on the lead gen versus something that's gonna affect it from an outside source. So, you know, I started doing one thing in my life and deal flow just started coming through the door at a rate that's that just you can't even imagine. I've I've worked with a lot of private equity and venture capital people, just friends and deals back and forth and things like that.
Barton Henderson:And they'll always say to me, like, Bart, how do you get this deal flow? Like, I've never how do you find out so many deals? And I tell them the same thing every time, and it's so, so simple. So, you know, Chris, I saw how involved you are in your community. I saw all the different things you do.
Barton Henderson:I love that. That's a big pillar of what my wife and I do as well. So I commend you on getting involved and giving back in your community. Thank you. But you'll notice when you're there, when you're at an event, right, and let's say it's a networking event rather than, you know, you giving back to your football team or something like that.
Barton Henderson:At a networking event, what's the first thing everybody says to you? Like, when they come to meet you?
Chris Hall:Do for a living? Yeah, what do you
Barton Henderson:do for a Yeah, exactly, right? So what I realized, and I don't know, you know, I read a lot of books, I can't pinpoint where I got this from. So I wish I could tell you the source, but what I realized was what's really valuable is not just telling people what you do, but what you want as well. And so first off, I would say to people like, what do you do for fun? I wanna get to know them a little bit, right?
Barton Henderson:Just a different thing rather than what do you do. And then at the end of them asking, you know, what I do, I would say, and I wanna do this more. Whatever the thing might be. So for instance, for you it'd be, you know, I give people financial freedom through building, you know, whatever your pitch is. And then I'm looking for more people to have on my podcast.
Barton Henderson:So if you know anybody, please let me know. Simple what you're looking for as well. Right? So at the end of my thing, I started saying, oh, and I'm always looking for great investments. So if you know anybody who has a cool investment, whether it's a small local business or a big real estate deal or anything, please show it to me.
Barton Henderson:So I just started saying that. You know? It's like, it's so simple. And to this day, I'll get an email from someone who I met in an event three years ago. And they'll be like, oh, I remember you said this, that you do this.
Barton Henderson:Here's a friend that's looking to raise money for an app or a tech company or whatever it might be. And so that just balloons and then my wife and I were able to hear about a bunch of cool investments, meet a bunch of great people and and go from there. So, you know, maybe the the long answer that to your to your question, but that's kinda how we got into it was we started wanting to park money in different places, and it and it took us to a fun route of of really getting a lot of deal flow in front of us.
Chris Hall:That's really I mean, I think the take home message for that, if anybody is listening to this, the thing that you could take a home that's like, you can put it in the bank, it's gold, is the is the letting people know what you're looking for. I think we all do a really good job of telling people what we do for a living, but man, I mean, that is just that's next level. Because, like, once again, like, you know, I'm looking for sponsors for my charity event. I'm looking for high net worth people who are unhappy with their advisor right now. I'm looking for people who, you know, are getting close to retirement.
Chris Hall:Like, we don't spend enough time talking about the things we're looking for. And I think so I think but, like, again, like, have you ever been part of a BNI?
Barton Henderson:BNI? You been
Chris Hall:a part of the
Barton Henderson:I've been I'm a part of 12 local groups. I'm a big big membership guy. I've I've yeah. Seven BNI's.
Chris Hall:So that's that's what I was gonna say. I think they do a pretty good job of of having you inside the group, ask for, like, what you're looking for. But, like, when you meet people out on the street or at Costco or wherever
Barton Henderson:Yeah.
Chris Hall:Like, I don't we never we never translate that, but I think it's a phenomenal thing. So Yep. That's really good. I appreciate that.
Barton Henderson:Go across, like, so many areas of life, like you said. Right? Charity, you're looking for. I'll tell you, you did a good job of this, maybe consciously or subconsciously. But but by reading your bio, you were telling me about, in the bio, your son and your daughter.
Barton Henderson:And when you put out there that your daughter wants to go into cinema, I think, oh, who do I know who we could connect for that? And so it's as simple as even in your bio you could do it. You know? Right. And so so it's just telling people.
Barton Henderson:And everybody has something they're looking for. You know? Whether it's, I wanna become a public speaker might be something. And maybe you're not even a public speaker yet, but start telling people, and guess what? In six months, you're gonna be because you keep telling people that you want it.
Barton Henderson:So Right. Love that. It's a and I love that you put in your bio, whether it was conscious or subconscious.
Chris Hall:Nice. Def definitely just definitely subconscious in that respect, but I love that. Yeah. Well, very cool. So with the with the promotional images and things like that, so you've been able to do the angel investing, How do you get involved in a copper mine in Colorado or not copper, silver Yes, so
Barton Henderson:another kind of example of telling people what you want it eventually So I started a company which we kind of launched feverishly and sold within a two year period. One of the guys who I worked with a bunch in that company, he kept telling me about the mine that he owned. And, I mean, over a three year time, I cannot tell you how many times it was like, look. I really wanna get involved in this. I I really wanna hear more.
Barton Henderson:I wanna get involved. Let me invest. I kept saying it. And no, no, no, no. We don't need money.
Barton Henderson:We're not raising money. Literally, it's like three years' time of him saying, Hey, you're great. We want to work with you more, but we just don't need any money. So finally, after three years he said, you know what, we're actually gonna do a small round. You interested?
Barton Henderson:I said, I interested? You know, of course I'm interested. But it's also one of those things too, where if I hadn't asked him 10 times, who knows if he would've come back to me, you know, versus other people. So we got involved. It's really amazing gold, rare earth metals, silver and we're all permitted.
Barton Henderson:We're all up and ready to run. We're now in the process where we're going through specific processing plants and things of that nature. But, you know, another example of an industry I never knew I'd be in, never never knew this would come up in my life. But because I heard it and it piqued my interest and I kept telling him what I wanted, it ended up happening.
Chris Hall:Nice.
Barton Henderson:You know, been out to the mine just so the most fun investment I've ever been a part of. Yeah. You know, I think it's like 25 miles of underground tunnels and things of that. It's just fascinating stuff. It's a really amazing asset.
Barton Henderson:They've got about $4,000,000,000 worth of assets over since 1908 when the mine was started and $200,000,000 processing plant. It's just unlike anything I've ever been involved with. So it's a really, really fun thing. And to me, it's about stretching, keeping learning and things like that. So now I'm learning about assays and metals and how things happen.
Barton Henderson:So that's cool too, you know. So I'll throw
Chris Hall:this out there since you said that we have to do this. Right? Yep. I am interested in a thorium mine.
Barton Henderson:Okay. Interesting.
Chris Hall:If you come across anything that has to do with thorium, please let me know. Do you know anything about thorium?
Barton Henderson:So I don't personally. I can tell you that our mine is tested for about 39 of the 40 rare earth metals. So Yeah. Thorium could be in there. I could look at a report connecting with our with our COO.
Barton Henderson:You know?
Chris Hall:So so, basically, just a quick little side shot is that thorium, it can be used for, nuclear reactors, whereas uranium is used. Uranium is very unstable. That's why if you have a problem, there's a meltdown. So thorium can achieve the same result without the instability. Yep.
Chris Hall:So there's a there's a there's again, there's gonna be some mining of thorium here pretty soon. It's still gonna take twenty or thirty years.
Barton Henderson:Right.
Chris Hall:But but, like, once they figure out the the reaction of that and how they can turn that into energy, because, know, right now they're I don't know if you know, they're working on small nuclear reactors. Yep. Totally. Yep. Yeah.
Chris Hall:So that's something that they're trying to do, but we're still gonna end up with regulation because that's just the the, you know, that's the society we live in in America, you know, very legal And so it's the not in my backyard stuff, but thorium doesn't have that instability. And so I feel like over time, that's gonna take over anything that has to do with uranium nuclear. So Yeah. That takes a lot I thought So if you ever run across thorium mines, you know Yeah. Let me know.
Barton Henderson:I didn't know that's what it was called, but I did read an article, I think, that China's kinda going full bore on on those types of reactors. And a great chapter in, there's a book, The Holy Grail of Investing. It's, one of Tony Robbins' books, and he does a full chapter on, I forget the term. It's a three letter term of of kind of small nuclear reactors where, know, they're gonna be like a regular trailer, which you just get out there. And, there's a great chapter on it.
Barton Henderson:And great book in in general to read. They talk a lot about sports investing, alternative investing, and things like that. It's called the holy grail of investing, I think.
Chris Hall:And it's Tony Robbins?
Barton Henderson:Yeah. Yep.
Chris Hall:He's he's awesome. He's, I just was listening to him on the All In podcast.
Barton Henderson:Okay.
Chris Hall:Just I mean, here we are forty years later, the guy is still just amazing. He's got
Barton Henderson:such great energy. Yep. Totally. And, you know, for people who don't know anything about finance, my I always tell them, gosh, what's the name of his first finance book? He he's got the best introductory book on finance.
Barton Henderson:I can't recall the name of the first one he wrote, but it it's just teaches people the nuts and bolts. You know? Yeah. I'm so sorry. Yeah.
Barton Henderson:It's money master the game. It's called money master the game. Yeah. That's a good Yeah.
Chris Hall:Cool. We'll put a link in the bio on that. We'll put the link a link in the description so that people can go check that out too.
Barton Henderson:Cool. Love it.
Chris Hall:And I'm gonna look at it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I've got so many books right now. I think I've got, like, six books in my Audible queue, and I've got, like, seven or eight books stacked up.
Chris Hall:So the good news about traveling so much, I've been traveling a lot with my son. Mhmm. But the good news about traveling so much is that I've actually been able to knock out a few books. So that's been good.
Barton Henderson:That's awesome. That's great. A I'm a big big reader myself. So my sons are two and three, and now my three year old, he kinda doesn't like going to sleep unless you're in the room sometimes. And so I've been reading more than ever by just being in the room reading.
Barton Henderson:Yeah.
Chris Hall:Nice. That's cool. I like that. Tell me a little bit about your men's group and, like, what that means to you and and how you started with it.
Barton Henderson:Yes. So, my men's network, it's, called Agora Guild, agoraguild.com. So what we do is we take men and elevate them in all areas of life. Family, fitness, finance, faith, whatever it might be. And so, like we talked about earlier, you said something about the tip or b and I, I think.
Barton Henderson:You know, there's lots of business groups out there, but there's very few groups that just focus on growth in general. And so about two and a half years ago, me and five other friends got together in one of my conference rooms here and we said, hey, we're gonna meet every week to see what we can do to elevate, right? So we started meeting and these guys just had massive breakthroughs. I mean, one of them lost 30 pounds. Another one who hadn't talked to his siblings for years started talking to his siblings again.
Barton Henderson:Somebody who had some serious relationship issues started completely fixing them and and has since fixed everything. A couple other really great but private breakthroughs I can't share. A guy tripled his business, but really just like awesome stuff happened just because it was a group of guys getting together. Right? And so one of the guys came to me and was like, Bart, you can't you can't keep this under wraps anymore.
Barton Henderson:Like, you gotta grow this. And I was like, look. The last thing I need is another business. I I do not need to grow this. This is great.
Barton Henderson:It's working. Let's just keep doing what we're doing. And so he was like, yeah, but don't you like don't you love doing this? And I was like, that's interesting. Yeah.
Barton Henderson:I mean, this is this is totally something I love. So he kinda convinced me to say, let's do one other pod. We did one other pod and we opened it up just about a year ago today to the public right around this time. And we now grew from six guys to almost 70 or so guys just in one year. And it's really, you know, the key is surrounding yourself with other driven like minded men.
Barton Henderson:And so it's if you surround yourself with people who wanna push you, who want you to get better, then it's inevitable. You're gonna get better. Right? It's like the standards of your peer group are the standards of who you become. Right?
Barton Henderson:Right. And so Right. It it it just it just really was a game changer. I think a lot of guys, the vast majority of men out there, our friends are our friends because of proximity. Like, maybe I don't know what your best friends look like, but for me, a lot of them were, well, I grew up a couple houses down from them, or I went to high school with them, or, you know, they were in my college dorm or whatever it might been.
Barton Henderson:It's just it's just because you happen to be plopped near that person, that's your friend group for the rest of your life. Right? And so it dawned on me. I was like, well, some of my friends aren't the kind of guys who are gonna push me to get to where I wanna get in certain areas of life. Right?
Barton Henderson:And it's not all business. Like I said, it's faith, fitness, family. It's everything because we believe that once you get that energy right, whether it's in fitness, you know, or you get your finances right or everything else gets better. And so it was just kinda like a light bulb going off, like, oh, wow. I surrounded myself with these guys who weren't in my immediate friend circle.
Barton Henderson:They were kinda some of them were you know, one of them was a friend for twenty five years, but some of them were people I had just met that year that I said, hey. This is the kind of person I wanna be around. You know? And it just launches this mentality. The way the way I say it to people is, you know, a lot of us are are in lazy rivers in life.
Barton Henderson:Like, it's the kind of analogy I use. So if you're going to the bar every Friday with your friends drinking beers just because that's what you do, then that's fine and that's okay and life can be fun like that. If every weekend all you're doing is watching the games with friends and drinking and eating Doritos, like, then okay. Like, life is fine like that. You're in the lazy river and things can be okay in the lazy river.
Barton Henderson:Like, nothing's wrong. If you miss a gym workout, nobody's gonna say anything. If you're not eating healthy, nobody's gonna say anything. And it's fine. Life is good in the lazy river.
Barton Henderson:Like until you realize that there's another river out there. And and that river is guys who are achieving at really high levels and everything. And so instead of just sitting in the raft with the beer, now you're in one of those, like, you know, one of those boats you've seen, a zodiac boat or whatever they call it, where you've got a row in those rapids just to survive. So it's you and other guys in the boat. And if you don't pull your row in, you're getting kicked out of the boat.
Barton Henderson:And so, you know, in that river, it's not like, you know, oh, you missed a workout. In that river, there's guys who own five businesses who are still going to the gym two times a day. And you're like, wait a second. I'm not making it to the gym once a day. This guy owns five businesses, and he's going twice a day?
Barton Henderson:Shit, man. I've gotta I I gotta do something here. You know? Right. And so it's just about kinda surrounding yourself with guys like that and and and kinda having different mentality.
Barton Henderson:So we we started cultivating that kind of culture. We have a WhatsApp, which is, you know, you we have a health WhatsApp. We have a wake up WhatsApp. We're early risers. We have different groups for everything, fatherhood, you know, technology, all sorts of things.
Barton Henderson:So we have the WhatsApp. We meet once a week on Zoom for those who can. We have in person events where we race Ferraris or we go rock climbing or, you know, we'll go paintballing or ski shooting or whatever it might be. Doing things that you don't do as a father as you get older or as a guy when you get older, you know, trying to have fun. So that's really where I found passion and said, you know, I've gotta dive in on this because it's something I love doing essentially.
Chris Hall:I I didn't think that's really cool. Like, know, my kids are pretty grown right now. But the one thing that I noticed, like, when you're younger, like, you cannot take, like, six hours out of your day to go golf. Like, it's just if you're working full time and then to take six hours on a Saturday and go golfing, like, it's just not it's not good, but you still need that that bonding. You need that.
Chris Hall:This is I do everything for everyone else. This is for me. You know I mean? You need that in your life because otherwise you do. You lose your spark.
Chris Hall:And and so I like the the idea of, other men in your life that are like, hey, let's go do something crazy this week. Let's go race Ferraris. I mean, that's pretty awesome. So
Barton Henderson:Yeah. Well, it's not always like So
Chris Hall:I think it's really cool idea.
Barton Henderson:It's fun to watch football on Sundays. Like, don't get me wrong. I'm not saying that's not the thing to do. It's just if that's the only thing you're doing. You know what
Chris Hall:I mean? Mhmm. Like, it
Barton Henderson:it's also fun to, like you said, go, you know, race Ferraris or go do this or whatever. So it's just about saying like, hey, how can we set the tone different and also do other cool things that are out of the ordinary, you know?
Chris Hall:You guys put in like parameters like, in other words, like, do you do you kind of tell people like, we would like we want you to work out once a day. We want you to work out. We want you to eat, you know, healthy. We want to like, do you have parameters on them or is it just sort of a generalized, like, hey. Let's all just kinda, like, rowing the boat together.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. So we start the first two meetings for anyone coming in. We do a free month trial that we let people who are a good fit. Anybody's a good fit, we do a free month for. Those first two meetings are, we have what's called our wildest dream session and our goal planning session.
Barton Henderson:And so those are usually with three to 10 other guys. And in those, you see and hear things that other guys are doing and you take bits and pieces from other men of like, oh, I should be working out, you know, three days a week or I should be working out five days a week or whatever. And so it we have we have pillars and you the goal is in the way you know, wheel of life and the pillars to try to get each of those pillars up. You know, you can't have all the pillars at 10. I think it's impossible.
Barton Henderson:I don't know. Maybe I'll be proven wrong one day. You know
Chris Hall:Aliens like Elon Musk can do it. Yeah. Maybe.
Barton Henderson:But but even then, are you getting enough relaxation in? And are you getting, you know, like so so it's tough. But by that, see other men's expectations and we say, like, alright. How's everybody doing here? And so once a quarter, we'll look at our wheel of life, we'll look at things like that and we'll say, what are you doing to get better, you know, in those.
Barton Henderson:But we don't say everyone's gotta work out five days a week or everyone's gotta, you know, whatever. But I will tell you, a lot of guys even who joined the group who never worked out before, I think everybody in the group is working out now. Know? And it's just kind of like a thing that when you hear people doing it, you kinda, you know, do it essentially. That kind of a thing, you know?
Chris Hall:I started going to a business coach last year. Mhmm. And the first thing that he did was me with me is I I got divorced, like, about three, three and a half years ago. Mhmm. And the first thing he did with me is start working on my relationships.
Chris Hall:You know, like, just trying to get that part of my life sort of dialed in. And because was, if it's not dialed in, it's a distraction. Right?
Barton Henderson:And, you
Chris Hall:know, that's and that's part of it too is, like and so the second thing we started working on once once the relationship side of things started, like, feeling like I at least was headed in the right direction Yep. Knew what I was looking for, knew where I was going with it. Mhmm. But the second thing we started doing is, like, he's like, you gotta go to the gym. And I'm like, okay.
Chris Hall:Well, I go to the gym with myself. When are we gonna start about
Barton Henderson:You're like, when are we gonna start talking about business?
Chris Hall:Right. Exactly. Yeah. So again, like, I ended up I ended up hiring a trainer. Yeah.
Chris Hall:And it's like, all of a sudden, have all these all these things. It's like, and none of it's really about business, like you're saying, but but it's because those things, again, healthy wealth is the idea is, like, you can't really truly be successful and wealthy if you can't, like, enjoy it and, like, you can't, like, even like, I know people that can't bend their down to tie their shoes. Yep. But they have all the money in the world. It's like, well, that's not I mean, dude, go to the gym.
Chris Hall:Like, know what mean? Like, I'm not perfect, but I can tie my shoes.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. Chris, you you just hit on on something that I've been struggling with the last, year almost. So we have a lot of guys who have been super successful, sold companies for multi, multi millions, and they said like, hey, let's start an elite group within Agoragil. You know? And I always say, alright, well, who who is an elite group?
Barton Henderson:Tell me. You know? Like, give me your perspective. What's an elite an elite person in Agoragil? And they'll name, you know, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten guys, and I'll go, oh, okay.
Barton Henderson:You're talking about the rich guys. You know? Like, you're talking about all the guys who are super financially successful.
Chris Hall:Right.
Barton Henderson:And they'll be like, well and I'll go, look. That guy, he has a really hard marriage that weighs him down quite a bit and and oftentimes talks about that. That guy is totally out of shape and has had a lot of health issues because of it. You know, this person's having issues with this. Like, what may it it does it make them elite just because they're wealthy?
Barton Henderson:Absolutely not. Because there are guys in the group who are not as financially wealthy but just have they love their kids and find a great relationship and they love their work and like, you know, it's cliche but like, I'll take that every day over a guy who's totally not happy, right? And so that's the thing we've struggled with is how do we have that, know, we're gonna call it the inner circle but like what do we do to make sure people get in there? And it's gonna it's gonna be something like what you talked about which is how many days a week are you working out? How many days a week are you doing?
Barton Henderson:You know, it's gonna be more all encompassing when we eventually do that than than just a financial thing, which is what most groups do, which is if you're a 10,000,000 net worth or whatever, then you can be in the lead group. You know? So and I and I really think it's gotta be more centered on on on well roundedness, essentially.
Chris Hall:So are you growing the grow group fairly internally at this point? I know you said you let people that fit in, you know, they'll they can get a thirty days for free. But Mhmm. Are you like is it something where people can go and sign up, like, because they heard this podcast? Or is most of your growth from the other guys who are benefiting from it?
Barton Henderson:So it was most of the guys that are benefiting from it. We're now totally opening up to the public. We have the so the thirty day free trial is a two way trial. So the way that we do it is if they seem like a good fit, we'll leave them thirty days free to see if they're a good fit for the group and vice versa. So we're seeing if they're like minded.
Barton Henderson:The number one thing that's gonna make somebody a good fit for our group, if I had to really hone in on one thing, would be open mindedness and then growth mindset would be the second thing. And by open mindedness, I mean, you know, if you're someone who's a crazy left liberal democrat who can't hear about anything from republican, then you're not gonna fit in. If you're a crazy right Republican who can't hear anything from Democrats, you're not gonna fit in. Like, if you can't totally talk to everybody about everything and hear both sides, not that we're, like, debating politics because it doesn't happen very often, but if people who are open minded that that will hear, you know, both sides. So people who will get offended I mean, you know, this is the kind of group where today I just saw it in one of the messages today.
Barton Henderson:Someone was like, Yo dude, get your shit together and go to the gym. Like what's wrong? You haven't been there in two weeks. And if you can't handle that, then it's not the right group for some people and some people aren't wired like that, you know? So it's about finding people who are a good fit in that mentality.
Barton Henderson:But, yeah, we are open to the public now and we do that thirty day free trial to see, you know, if they're a good fit for the group and vice versa. So first two meetings are those and then by the third meeting, they go into the general public of our group to see if it's a good fit. And then we'll say after thirty days, like, hey, you're invited to join or not.
Chris Hall:And and, I mean, it makes sense too, like, the people there are a lot of joiners out there, people who wanna join and get into something because it sounds like a cool group. Like, I mean, sounds like a great group. Why wouldn't you wanna be it? Right? Yep.
Chris Hall:But then they get in and they don't wanna do anything. You know what mean? They don't wanna, like, participate. Yep. They don't like you said, they don't wanna listen.
Barton Henderson:Yep. You know, the one thing we found is it's it's participation is really different for different people. And and that's, you know, in the beginning of the group kind of drove me a little bonkers because I wasn't sure how to make it work for everybody. You know, some guys are at every single weekly Zoom, because you get a lot out of learning from other men on these weekly Zooms. Other guys have their sales meetings around the same time or whatever.
Barton Henderson:They are gonna be active in the WhatsApp group. Other guys just love being at the in person events we have every month or two. Like, what I've learned is interaction can be very different for different people based on what they see as valuable. Some guys just want the ability to drop in the WhatsApp. Hey, looking for the best organic protein thing.
Barton Henderson:Boom. And the guy's all, this is what we like. You know? And we debate. We're always debating about health.
Barton Henderson:But, you know, the interactivity is different. We also have like a one on one meeting feature where once a month you get paired up with a video meeting with another guy just to get to know them. So we have all sorts of ways to engage, but the thing that I didn't realize in the beginning is everyone engages differently. There's guys who, you know, I think, Oh, they're not doing anything. They're not coming to meetings.
Barton Henderson:I'll talk to them, and they'll be like, oh, this person said this in the WhatsApp and this in the WhatsApp and that in the WhatsApp. And it's so interesting because they're never posting in the WhatsApp, but they're reading all the messages. You know? So it's like different people get value out of different things, essentially.
Chris Hall:I love that. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. So besides building the besides building the group, what's kinda next for you?
Chris Hall:What's what's on is it just building the group up? Getting it to, like, 60,000 members or what do
Barton Henderson:you think? Yeah. I mean, that you know, the things that have come out of this now are what lights me up more than anything. Like, we have one guy who lost 75 pounds. You know, even someone right?
Barton Henderson:Even someone losing 20 pounds, it's like, because I consider myself a health fanatic. I read health books constantly. Even someone losing 20 pounds, what that can do for their cardiovascular health, what that can do for their brain health, Like they could live another eight years, you know? So like hearing someone say that, that juices me up. Know, hearing someone say their testosterone levels were garbage and now they've done the test and they've done what they can to fix it, like I know how far that's gonna go.
Barton Henderson:Hearing somebody say they're doing a date night with their wife every week when they haven't done date nights in the past two years, like this stuff lights me up. And so, know, we go through seasons and cycles of life. I will tell you I'm very I'm very much so fulfilled in in helping people hit these things in life. So this is what I see myself doing
Chris Hall:Yeah.
Barton Henderson:For for the foreseeable future. You know? Until who knows? Maybe something with my kids derails me, and I wanna go do something that helps them more. But but, really, this is what I see myself doing for the long term right now.
Chris Hall:What what do you do for fun? What's your activity? Golf or tennis or what?
Barton Henderson:So I play a lot of racquetball now. Racquetball. Yeah. Do a lot of racquetball. But as far as fun, family time is really the name of the game for me right now.
Barton Henderson:So it's Sure. We're really I have a two and a three year old. Right? And so I'm I'm really in it in that respect. And I don't wanna wake up and blink and and have that disappear.
Barton Henderson:And so, you know, I have a lot of fun just playing with the kids. Like, tonight, I'll go home. We'll take the kids to the park. Mhmm. I take them to the park every night if it's sunny out pretty much or nice out.
Barton Henderson:So really family time is the name of the game, but, you know, boating, racquetball, and that's another thing. People are always like, let's go get a drink. I'm always like, meet me at the gym at 5AM, we'll play racquetball. And some people are like, you're a nut. But they come do it.
Barton Henderson:And so, know, sometimes 2PM. It doesn't have to be 5AM, 06:45AM. But, you know, I play a lot of racquetball, work out together with people, know and do these other things too. I've got a big schedule on my wall over here of you know we've got paintball coming up in the men's group, we've got ski shooting coming up, like all these fun activities too. So so there's no shortage of fun but it's not the fun that my friends would have expected ten years ago.
Barton Henderson:You know, it's just not it it's a different tone.
Chris Hall:That's awesome. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so is there anything else that you would like to talk about before we end today's session?
Barton Henderson:No. I mean, it's it's been it's been great catching up. Love seeing the different guests and the and the different perspectives that you have coming on here. I'd love to come back at some point and dive into health. Health is really Health is really
Chris Hall:We have some time today if you wanna talk a little bit more about that. I don't know. You had a hard stop coming up, but
Barton Henderson:Yeah. Mean, sure. Let's dive in. Let's I'll try to keep a five or ten minute Yeah.
Chris Hall:Well, it will and we can always have you back too. So, you know, and if we don't if we don't if we don't get in what we wanna get in, we can have you back too. That's great. I love that.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. So I think like your business coach, I love hearing that your business coach did that, right? Relationships and then health and then you go into business. I really believe that everything comes from the amount of energy that you have in life and the energy comes from health, right? And so, for the last couple years when men would come in and they say, look, I'm thirty pounds overweight, what do I do?
Barton Henderson:What do I want to do? I would kind of go to the typical thing like years ago where it'd be like, well obviously eat healthy, know, what's eating healthy is a whole another debate but eat healthy.
Chris Hall:That's a good question.
Barton Henderson:Right? Eating healthy and then exercise. Now, I live my life by the numbers as far as health goes. So like, I have rules and I hit those rules no matter what. And like, you know, an example would be, and I won't go through all of them, but I've developed these over time.
Barton Henderson:An example would be, I will only have processed sugar one time a month, right? And that's a rule because to just say you're gonna eat healthy means nothing. I mean, a friend of yours who's going on a diet and they say, I'm gonna eat healthy. Say, what does that mean? And they'll be like, I guess like have more salads, right?
Barton Henderson:Like that's all they can kind of formulate. And so if you don't have a rule, like this isn't one of my rules, but maybe a rule would be, I'll only have high glycemic carbs, meaning bread, you know, three days a week or two days a week. Like you need rules, otherwise none of it means anything. And so my rules are like, will work out five days a week no matter what. Sky is falling, I'm traveling four days that week, I'm working out no matter what, five days a week.
Barton Henderson:You know, sugar once a month, no microplastics. And so there's certain rules that I will, abide by in certain ways. But point Do
Chris Hall:you have like a protein goal? Do like the protein goal? I know that's kind of really Yep. Like everybody's talking about you got to get your protein in, it's got to be prioritized. Is that one of yours?
Barton Henderson:So protein, I'll tell you the thing that I think is really, rough about protein in our society is I don't know a real number, but I would say 95% or more people are just eating the most garbage protein shakes. I mean, they're even food. And so they go to Vitamin Shoppe or GMC or whatever the heck these kind of mask things are, and they'll get whatever the biggest on sale thing is. Not to say you can't find good things at Vitamin Shoppe or GMC, but, you know, the the on sale thing or whatever it might be.
Chris Hall:They're selling it all there.
Barton Henderson:Yeah.
Chris Hall:They're they're selling it all. They're selling the good stuff, but they're selling the straight out of China garbage too.
Barton Henderson:Right. And so there's, you know, beyond glyphosate and beyond the sugar I mean, the amount of sugar in some of these is just like, oh.
Chris Hall:Right.
Barton Henderson:And the amount of seed oils, like, like and people are drinking this every day being they're healthy. I'll give you two examples quickly because you brought up protein of a funny intake I had with some people that were joining Agora who want to get healthier. I said, well, what kind of they said, you know, what do you eat first thing in the morning? Protein shake. Okay.
Barton Henderson:Great. What kind of protein shake? And I'm thinking they give me the the brand, like Earth's Balance or I don't know. Whatever brand. Two of them out of the the, 30 or so guys I've had this conversation with said one of them said Oreo cookie dough and another said Fruity Pebbles.
Barton Henderson:I said, Woah, woah, what? You're talking about the flavor? And they said, Yeah. I said, You think that Oreo cookie dough flavor is a healthy protein shake? Like, well, yeah, it's a pro protein shake.
Barton Henderson:Like, I was like, oh, man. Yeah. So when it comes to
Chris Hall:health Snickers bar is a protein bar, by the way.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. There you go. So when it comes to health, I used to say eat healthy. I used to say workout. Like, this was the kind of things I would do sequentially and I had a system.
Barton Henderson:I now start with something totally different, which is I think it's now more important to get toxins out of your everyday life than it is to start by eating healthy and exercising and things like that. And so don't get me wrong, exercise probably has the number one bang for the buck as far as as getting healthy goes. Right. But society, I I I look at it, and it's hard for me to understand how we even got here. But on an everyday basis, we're being exposed to, like, twenty, sixty, maybe even 80,000 chemicals.
Barton Henderson:And so there's a couple like real introductory things that I like to run people through. It's eating organic, getting rid of phthalates, getting rid of microplastics, things like this. And so to quickly run you down that it's you know, 5% of food in America has glyphosate on it. Glyphosate is a pesticide herbicide. It's the number one pesticide herbicide in the world, and it's been proven carcinogenic.
Barton Henderson:So I don't know if you've heard of the Roundup cases that they did, the $10,000,000,000 Roundup cases. So this is the thing that really woke me up to health, which just blew my mind because people say, well, all organic food is not really organic, right, because it still has some chemicals. Right? There's debate. We could talk about that.
Barton Henderson:But if it's certified USDA organic, at least it doesn't have glyphosate on it. We know that that's something that's not allowed. So just that alone is worth people eating organic because, the neurodegenerative things that this does, I mean, you know, they had to pay $10,000,000,000 in a lawsuit that shows it was carcinogenic, likely carcinogenic, neurodegenerative, all these things. And and and it's still allowed on all our food in America. And so the the point is, I used to think, you know, law school, working in the senate, I've worked for congressmen, I've worked for all I used to think the government was protecting us from things like this.
Barton Henderson:And it just turns out glyphosate's still the number one thing on food. And so essentially, yeah, you wanna defend your body and and things like that from glyphosate, from paraquat. Paraquat's made in China, totally illegal in China, illegal in most European countries. Where do they import it to? The US, right?
Barton Henderson:And so by first just getting organic, a lot of things become healthier, right? So first thing is trying to go organic. And again, there's gonna be debate, oh, I hear they still use pesticides. Yes, there are still, you know, organic fungicides and other types of pesticides, but at least you're not getting glyphosate. You're not getting certain really bad things like that.
Barton Henderson:Then you go down to, you know, seed oils. You look at seed oils. It's in everything. That that would be the last step I'd say anybody should do is try to get rid of seed oils because, oh, man, there's seed oils in in everything.
Chris Hall:Well, I mean, like, just look at ranch dressing. Right? You're like ranch dressing. That's that's gotta be gotta be good for you. Right?
Chris Hall:It's only got a few ingredients. Like, the number one ingredient is soybean oil.
Barton Henderson:Boom. Yep. Exactly. It's like, are you really? Yeah.
Chris Hall:Like, why do you need to put oil in ranch dressing?
Barton Henderson:Right. Because
Chris Hall:it's cheap. Yep. It's super cheap. Exactly. Yeah.
Chris Hall:The I'm really, like, a very big fan of getting rid of all these chemicals that are illegal everywhere but America. I'm a huge fan of it. You know, they they basically talk about organic foods having glyphosate in it. Yep. Because it's so in it's so ingrained in our soil.
Barton Henderson:Yep.
Chris Hall:And it's in everything that we have. So, like, even, like, you know, exhaust coming off of a a a diesel truck seems to have glyphosate in it because it's just everywhere.
Barton Henderson:Totally. You're you're right.
Chris Hall:So yeah. So that that's if they take if they take glyphosate out, that would be such a great thing. And, you know, switching back from seed oils to, like, beef tallow
Barton Henderson:Mhmm.
Chris Hall:I mean, that would just be those two things alone would just save millions of lives.
Barton Henderson:It would change everything. Right? Yeah. It it it's we're gonna see. You know, it's hard to ever tie the direct damage to seed oils to seed oils because you're doing so many other things throughout the centuries.
Barton Henderson:Mhmm. But, you know, every every cell in your body is made from cholesterol and they're finding that these seed oils are getting into the cell membranes and, you know, dysregulating and messing up the way your cell membranes work and never mind the way they're made. So, you know, again, I don't wanna go down the rabbit hole, but going organic, seed oils, microplastics is the same thing. You know, the average, to go coffee cup someone grabs will have 12,000,000,000 microplastics in it. Then you look at water bottles because they're in transit.
Barton Henderson:They're getting hot. You know? So if you're out, just get, like if you wanna reduce a little, get a iced coffee instead of a hot coffee. You know? Simple like
Chris Hall:Right.
Barton Henderson:It's about small things to start. You know? Right. And then sugar. I mean, there's more studies coming out every day about what sugar does to the body.
Barton Henderson:I mean, a lot of doctors that are really with it calling Alzheimer's diabetes three, right?
Chris Hall:Type three diabetes, yeah, that's Right,
Barton Henderson:and then you got, like what's sugar in the eye? Glaucoma. You know? Sugar in the blood. Diabetes.
Barton Henderson:Like, there's different all these things, we name it, but it's sugar. And so Mhmm. It's just about being knowledgeable about what you're putting in your body in that respect. You know?
Chris Hall:Yeah. I was a pharmaceutical rep for ten years. I actually worked for Pfizer. Oh, wow. Yuck.
Chris Hall:Right?
Barton Henderson:Oh, man.
Chris Hall:But, I mean, we sold cholesterol medication Mhmm. Diabetes medication. We had all these different medications, and and I represented quite a few of them, including Viagra, which was always a fun drug to sell. But I continued the process of learning as I went along, and there's so much data that suggests that cholesterol has always been sort of the bad guy. That's why statins are a multibillion dollar Right.
Chris Hall:Industry. Yep. But, like, the more you look at it, the you realize it's not even the it's not even the cholesterol. Right. It's it's triglycerides.
Chris Hall:Yeah. Because triglycerides is a fancy way of saying sugar. Yep. So like if you can take sugar out of the system, like you have people with 400 LDLs that are doing just fine.
Barton Henderson:Right.
Chris Hall:It's the sugar that causes the inflammation. I am not a doctor. Yep. I did stay at Holiday Inn Express. But you see that you can see that if you have sugar in your system, you have a much more inflammatory body.
Chris Hall:Yep. And then the cholesterol is gonna go to your vasculature, which is inflamed, same as if you were smoking cigarettes. Yep. It's gonna go there. It's gonna try to smooth that out.
Chris Hall:Mhmm. If you can reduce your inflammation, can basically have kind of whatever cholesterol you want. So again, we've been, for fifty years, we've been trying to get people to go low fat, low cholesterol, when we basically just say sugar is poison. It is. What's the difference between medicine and poison?
Chris Hall:It's typically dose. Right? So like you had said yourself, I allow myself to have sugar once a month. Like that's that's that for most people like they're they would say, I allow myself to have sugar once a day. Yeah.
Chris Hall:Would still be limiting their intake. Right. They would still be limiting their intake. Yep. Totally.
Chris Hall:So so yeah. We can if we can walk away from seed oil, sugar, and then what was the other one you
Barton Henderson:mentioned? Microplastics.
Chris Hall:Yeah. You know, I mean If you can walk away from those things, organic food, organic food.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. Definitely. Chris, I love I love you bringing attention to that conversation. Yeah. It's it's like god.
Barton Henderson:I can't think of the term, but, like, something that that you can't even touch, like, something you can't even talk about oftentimes in the medical industry. And you're you're so on the money there. So so you look at all those things we just talked about. If you look at the study that came out from the I think it was a British medical journal. They're seeing that people 50 are getting cancer seventy eight percent more likely, like, in the last twenty years or whatever the number was.
Barton Henderson:And so like obviously it's all these things we're talking about. Because people say, well, my grandma didn't eat organic food. Well, your grandma had organic food, she didn't need certified organic food.
Chris Hall:Right? It wasn't labeled.
Barton Henderson:Right. So they didn't have I mean, if you eat sugar, the average American will eat in one day what people used to eat in a year's time two hundred years ago. Right? So to your point about cholesterol, is, I mean, we don't have enough time right now, but that's a topic I love diving into.
Chris Hall:Yeah.
Barton Henderson:You're, I mean, I can't agree with you more. Ancel Keys, he threw us all off and made us think it was, you know, the fat instead of the sugar. And the thing that people should really be cognizant about when it comes to cholesterol is relative risk reduction versus actual risk reduction. So It's like
Chris Hall:I could have said that better.
Barton Henderson:It's it's so scary because I have family members and I have people. And and, again, we're not giving medical advice right now. That's very apparent. But it's worth knowing and educating on what a doctor's actually saying. I can tell you a doctor said to my family member three or four weeks ago, literally, this is like a verbatim.
Barton Henderson:She had said, well, I don't really wanna take a statin because I know it can affect this inflammation, blah blah blah. She went down the line, right? And the doctor said statins are totally safe. I've been taking a statin for twenty years. To which my response to her when she told me this, because she was like, oh, it's a good point, was you could do Coke for twenty years.
Barton Henderson:Like like, that doesn't that doesn't mean, like anything.
Chris Hall:You can
Barton Henderson:drink every day for twenty years. I know people that have. That doesn't mean anything, right? So you look at, and you really gotta parse it out, actual risk reduction versus relative risk reduction. So all these commercials for statins, most of them, I can't say all.
Barton Henderson:I think all of them, but most of them, they're
Chris Hall:Let's go with all.
Barton Henderson:They're saying
Chris Hall:Disclaimer, we don't know for sure. That's right. Pretty much all.
Barton Henderson:Yeah. They're saying your risk reduction for ASCVD, atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease, goes down by this percentage if you take this pill compared to other people. And so what that looks like is this is your risk reduction on death from a heart attack based on taking this What else is the pill doing to you? Is it increasing your likelihood that your immune system will be down because you can't battle cancer? Right?
Barton Henderson:Now that actual versus relative risk, the study that was done years ago, like, thirty years ago where they used this actual versus relative is the actual risk reduction for people was about one point six or one point eight percent. So just imagine, if you're taking a statin, your actual risk reduction for ASCVD is, like, one point six to one point eight percent less likely. So one or two out of a hundred people will be less likely to have an ASCVD heart issue. Now they'll go forward and tell you because it moved from, I don't know the exact number. One point six percent to three point eight percent, I think is what it was in the study, then you have a fifty percent likely less likelihood of dying from a heart attack.
Barton Henderson:That's a that is a relative risk reduction, not an actual risk reduction. And so everyone goes, I'm fifty percent less likely to die from a heart attack. No. No. No.
Barton Henderson:You're not. That is a a relative risk reduction, not actual risk reduction. So what happens is they take the the statin, and what happens from the statin is every single cell in your body, every cell from your toes to your hair, is made from cholesterol. So now you're taking a drug that inhibits your cell membrane being made from cholesterol. Cholesterol's we know that that the best likelihood to survive cancer is 142 is the cholesterol number, is what they say for LDL, right?
Barton Henderson:LDL C, rather. So now you're shooting it down. You're you're messing with your immune system. You're doing all sorts of things with inflammation. I mean, there's a litany of things, but the point is statins, there's a big story to tell there, and a lot of educated doctors and educated people who care about health are starting to talk about it, but it's a shame.
Barton Henderson:It's a real shame that all they do is they look at a number, LDL C, and they say, You're not in that range. You gotta go on this drug that's gonna affect multiple other things, including usually giving people arthritis in six years. You know, it's just a cascade. I love that.
Chris Hall:I think again, we could totally dig into this. I would love it. In fact, I want to get back on so we can do it again. And I do wanna recognize that you did have a hard stop.
Barton Henderson:Thank you.
Chris Hall:But I do wanna make like to anybody out there listening, like look up actual risk reduction. Okay? Because as I was leaving the pharmaceutical industry, that started to become a question that doctors started asking, and it is, the numbers are, they're shockingly low. So like you have a group of a 100 people that are on statin, and you have a group of a 100 people that are not on statin, okay? And the group of 100 people not on statin, it's like four events.
Chris Hall:The group of people that's on statin, it's like three events. So it's 33%, 25% reduction, you know, those kinds of things. However, they can finagle it. Yeah. We're talking about like one of the other things that's interesting is called number needed to treat.
Chris Hall:You have to treat like 200 people Right. With a statin Yep. To save one event. Yep. So that means that a hundred and ninety nine people are walking around on something that's not actually benefiting them.
Barton Henderson:Totally.
Chris Hall:So so those are very interesting things I just wanted to pile on a little bit because I
Barton Henderson:think we'll Chris, I love I love this. Great conversation.
Chris Hall:Yeah. So well, I do thank you for your time. I do wanna respect your time. Mhmm. I'm definitely gonna have you back on.
Chris Hall:Let's go ahead and go the health thing next time. Cool. We'll dig into a little bit because, I mean, sugars, triglycerides, statins, that's all, like, right in the wheelhouse of things I wanna share with people. So Yep. We'll have you back on for that.
Chris Hall:Anything else you wanna talk about before we go?
Barton Henderson:No. It's really, really great conversation. Love what you're doing with the different topics on the podcast, you know, and that you're helping the community out and involved there. So looking forward to talking more.
Chris Hall:Thank you. I appreciate you so much. I appreciate your time. I can tell that we're gonna continue to talk for sure.
Barton Henderson:So Definitely.
Chris Hall:Thanks, man. Thank you everyone for listening. We're gonna put some links in the description as always so that you can get ahold of Barton and that you can join his group, Agora Guild, and we'll have that all put in there for you. And, of course, as always, if you have any questions for me, don't hesitate to put them in the comments, and I'm happy to answer them. So thank you all for your time.