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An epic tale of two dads and their battle with public transportation...and zombies.
A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
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train, to Busan directed by Sanho young
and written by juicy park and Sanho young,
some relevant trigger warnings for this
movie include children in danger, death,
zombies, intensely stressful situations
throughout blood gore, intense violence.
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Jeremy: Good evening.
And welcome to progressively
horrified the podcast where
the old horror to progressive
standards never agreed to tonight.
We're talking about the movie that
makes me shout enough is enough.
I've had it with these mother fucking
zombies on this mother fucking train.
That's right.
Horribles it's time for train to Busan.
I am your host, Jeremy Whitley.
And with me tonight, I have a panel
of cinephiles and sinter bites.
First of all, they're here to invade
your house and find queer content
and all your favorite movies.
My co-host and comic book creator.
Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: I appreciate a movie
that captures how I feel after
my daily commute from work.
It is about a hundred minutes and
it's entirely trains and walking.
Jeremy: And we picked her up at
the spooky crossroads of animate
and 60 monster media it's co-host
and comics, artists, Emily Martin.
How are you tonight?
Emily: Emily?
I would like to shout out to all
of our essential drivers, our
pilots, our conductors real hero
of this movie, the real heroes.
Yeah.
Ben: Euro's transportation
and communications technology,
big MVPs of this movie.
Emily: They never lose cell service.
Yeah.
Like I was impressed.
You know, and also
infrastructure technicians.
Yeah.
Korea.
I salute you because damn, I appreciate
Ben: this movies, pro infrastructure
and public transportation message.
Yeah.
Jeremy: And our special guest tonight.
Part-time DM and full-time
editor in chief at mad cave.
It's Chris Sanchez.
Chris, how are you tonight?
Chris: I'm doing all right.
I'm just here for all the hot dads.
Ben: Yes.
Yeah.
So I feel like right off the bat, which
established that, uh, and I hope I'm
pronouncing this anyway correctly.
I, I tried looking up pronunciations
beforehand, but if I still just get
totally wrong, I sincerely apologize.
My dunks shock who also sometimes
goes by Don Lee uh, is in this movie.
I will be here too for referring
to him as, as the internet mostly
does as dad, the thicc with two Cs..
Emily: Right.
This movie hits me in a very
particular spot, which is dad's crying.
If I ever see dad's cry, I
start crying uncontrollably.
So now, you know, my weakness internet,
especially like, big dads, small
dads, any kind of dad especially when
they're like normally stoic dads.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I mean, and anybody who's heard my
lengthy rant about watching your
eternal is far too many times.
Uh, It knows that I have a soft
spot in my heart for Gilgamesh
clearly the best part of that movie.
Uh, And you know, it's, that's
the modern Seok as well.
Yeah.
And he died
Ben: at the same point in both movies.
Jeremy: I mean, That point
in the terminals is another
half an hour later, but.
Ben: I guess not one-to-one timescale,
but proportional to movie, like
Chris: probably.
Yeah.
Jeremy: he's always dying
to save his partner.
Ben: He's going to live a whole movie.
And what it say, that'll be, it's
Chris: going to be the new Sean
Bean where he just always dies.
No.
Ben: Yeah.
I feel like Sean Bean usually ties in
a way that doesn't break your heart and
man, he, uh, his depths have hit hard.
Emily: it's not so much the
desks that it makes me cry.
It's the crying, when they, you know, like
if Sean being like, he just started like
bawling in the middle of what's that video
game, death stranding, then I'd be like,
Jeremy: I will say, most of
these deaths make me go, oh, no.
Whereas like was like, yeah, fucking get
Chris: him.
Emily: That's
Jeremy: true.
Fucking boxing zombies till the end.
I'm going to talk about a
lot in this movie is this
Ben: is top to bottom.
Fantastic.
Jeremy: So
Ben: let's talk a little
bit about reacting.
Performance is like great in this film.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: It's directed
by a thing he'll yawn.
And it's, co-written by saying park.
directors also also made the two other
movies that are part of this franchise.
There's an animated pre-cool.
And just recently they were in is released
peninsula, which is a, like a semi sequel.
And obviously for obvious
reasons, it's going to have a
lot of the same people in it.
But this, uh, this movie stars gung
you as our lead said that I will
refer to him repeatedly as sad dad is
Chris: real sad all
Emily: the time.
Very sad,
Ben: uh- Kind of a dick.
He's so selfish, but then he's not
Emily: selfish.
He has an arc it's okay.
Jeremy: Yeah.
There's also a Yumi is young uh, modern
CR could we talked about Suwon Kim who's.
The young is the daughter of sad dad,
and this, she is an incredible actress.
Kim, your son choy was sick
and a former K-pop star is Sue.
He making a debut in this one
as her first acting credit.
Ben: Troy Sheikh, you
probably, you might recognize.
The lead from parasite.
It's really, really good.
It's also very good.
Emily: Things are good or they're crying.
Sad.
Dad's in it.
Oh yes.
Jeremy: It was pretty late.
It's like 70% said debts.
Emily: Yeah.
Well, that's probably why
I haven't seen it yet.
I probably saw like a trailer
and I'm like, that looks like
too many sad dads for me today.
I think I need to like, watch something.
I need to watch Shaun of
the dead or something.
At least that's like sad.
Mom
Ben: movie is, I love this movie.
If you're looking for just comparison
points quality-wise to other movies
we've covered on this podcast.
I think train to Busan is
right up there with like you
get out and bother duke level.
To me.
This is a personal, like top five
horror movies I've ever seen.
Emily: Yeah.
This movie has an incredible
balance of serious.
To action to horror elements.
Like there was nothing that
really took me out of it.
And it was not overly like
self indulgently violent.
It had really great message in there.
And also the acting is stellar.
we talk about genre movies, we're
not usually talking about like Oscar
winning actor, acting performances,
except for maybe nightmare alley
and you know, Bobby Duke but this
movie for Rue out was gorgeous.
It was well paced.
Also the zombies were not like the same
kind of ableism zombies that we see.
And like, in raccoon city welcome
to raccoon city or whatever that
we talked about the other way.
It's
Jeremy: literally better than welcome
direct and city in every possible way.
Ben: I don't know about academy award.
I mean, like he may not have
been nominated gung ewes
performance in this movie is
Oscar where the shadow of a doubt.
He is incredible as sad to add.
Yeah.
Jeremy: The irony, the description of
this, as Well, it was on B virus breaks
out in South Korea, passengers struggled
to survive on a train from Seoul to Busan.
Chris we had just talked about you coming
on and I mentioned that we were talking
about this one this week and you were
like, yeah, sign me up for that one.
What, what, what is it about that
you love about a train to Busan?
I love
Chris: that it's, I mean, the nature of
it is on a train, but it all, it's always
moving and there's always something
happening and there's never, and when
there is like those like small moments
of like respite, there are, there's
always like some character beat in there
always to keep it still interesting.
And it's just always moving
and the momentum is awesome.
Ben: I think, and I'm not going to
be so Hottie as they say does seek.
Right.
But I think a huge element of what
makes this movie just hit so hard and
be so much so impactful and memorable is
that they figured out a scenario where
every character is constantly making
split second decisions that review.
Everything about their
morality and character.
Chris: Yeah.
Like going back this time, I'm
like, oh, the the pregnant
wife is just brave all the time.
She is always doing just
crazy stuff all the time.
It's just like, yeah, she's the best.
Emily: And she's thinking on her feet.
Jeremy: She's part of, most of my
favorite moments in this movie,
including like when her husband opens
the door to the bathroom and sort of
like smiles and makes a face at her.
And she just punches him, like
immediately just right in the
shoulder at a very like affectionate.
But like, you know, I was really
worried about you kind of way.
Ben: She is seven months pregnant and
doing so much strenuous physical activity.
Jeremy: We watch a lot of horror
movies obviously, and there are a
lot that made me go, ah, or, oh, no.
And this is one of the few
movies that like watching it.
I found myself going, holy shit.
How did they do that?
That's incredible.
I would have never thought
of like half of this stuff.
There's a couple of moments where
like stuff happens in this movie that
you don't necessarily see coming.
And it's like, oh God, that's awful.
Ben: When one of the elderly says,
well, should we, I guess we should just
get into it when we get to it among
the whole, rather than just scatter
shotting our favorite holy shit moments.
Emily: There's a lot of really
great holy shit moments.
Yeah.
I was, I was tempted to get into
a couple of them now, but we'll,
we'll definitely get there.
Jeremy: Let's start with our opening
vignette here with our farmer.
That's bringing his pigs into
town and he gets stopped at uh,
a quarantine zone where they're,
they're spraying down the truck.
And he is, he is worried that they're
going to kill all of his livestock again,
because you know, last time they had a
swine flu uh, they killed all his pigs.
They assure him, it's just, you
know, it's just this little thing.
They've had a problem with one
of the biotech places here.
It's no big deal.
And he proceeds to like, as
he's driving off, hit a deer,
this deer is real fucked up.
He drives off leaving this broken deer
carcass behind and then it stands back
up and walks off in a way that is.
So creepy and does not look like
it does not look like a special
effect in a way that a lot of these
animal effects do in these things.
Emily: It's fantastic.
Ben: Can we also appreciate having just
covered, welcome to raccoon city, that
aside from it being a deer, instead of
a girl, that this is almost the exact
same opener as welcome to raccoon city,
but done in about a quarter of the
time and four times more effective?
Emily: Like 10 times more effective.
Although I don't want to gloss
over the mannequin traffic cop,
the animated mannequin traffic cop,
which is one of the first humanoid
things that we see which is, I
Jeremy: dunno, incredibly
Korean about that.
I feel like just the, that they've
like put a sign basically shaped
like a human being to direct traffic.
Emily: It's not just a sign!
It's like a fully like it's a
three-dimensional mannequin.
Yeah.
Which at one point I'm like mannequins
taken our jobs, man, but at the
same time when you have a situation
where there's like a biotech
Ben: leak.
Yeah.
I haven't seen it.
Is that not the plot of
the movie series mannequin?
And its sequel mannequin to
Jeremy: no, that is not the,
not the plot of mannequin.
Or Mannequin 2.
Emily: Although I will say this
is probably the safest cop in
a horror movie that we've seen.
Jeremy: He's either.
The fact of is any other
cop in a horror movie.
That's for sure.
Chris: That opening also just reminds
I living now in this world that we
live in of how like zombie movies
are pandemic movies and it's always a
weird, and I think it's a weird flip
now of like thinking of that way.
Emily: Like, that was the only thing
that I was thinking about, like that I
was starting to like critically think
about with the character development
and some of this is, you know, we'll
get there, but there's the COO of the
uh, bus transit company or whatever that
is, that shows up as our, our villain.
And
Jeremy: he's incredibly real,
you might've seen this and that
nobody's that awful, but now...
Emily: well, The fact that he's actually
taking the threat seriously and not
ignoring it, that's where I'm like, Hmm.
But you know, This is also like,
we do actually see zombies.
So, you know, our, our news did
not give us the benefit of truly
showing actual millionaires, throwing
actual people under actual buses.
That was all in post.
But um, and this movie is pretty, you
know, it's texts, it's super text.
It's a header.
Jeremy: Yeah.
There, there were several points
in this movie where my reaction
was actually, yeah, those are
maybe the most horrifying moments.
. Here at the beginning, as we start
to meet our actual main character
who who will probably ends for
frequently referred to a sad dad.
He's a high powered
businessman living in Seoul.
He's in the middle of a nasty
divorce and custody battle with
his ex over his daughter, Suwon.
She is, you know, staying at home with
her grandmother will, he is at home or
while he is at work, doing work stuff
and not, you know, raising her, but
he is very insistent on her staying
with him and being raised by him.
And amongst as many business
dealings, there's a pretty nasty
phone conversation between him and his
wife, because Sue on wants to go visit
her mom and Busan, which is on the
south end of Korea for her birthday.
And she's planning to go
by herself on the train.
But after a tearful confrontation,
he finally agrees that he's,
he's going to take her.
Ben: Uh, he does work stuff
at the business factory.
Emily: He does work stuff,
loves that business factory.
He's a businessman.
Ben: He's
Emily: got to manage the funds,
which apparently involve this
biotech company that has something
to do with the zombie outbreak.
This is a very minor plot point,
but it still is effective.
Because you know.
Ben: At least lets us know that he hymns
that Socceroo is himself personally
responsible for this zombie outbreak?
Yeah.
I, he's
Jeremy: not like directly responsible,
but it's close enough that like
there's a conversation that's had
between him and is funky on the
phone later on, which essentially
boils down to, are we the baddies?
Chris: It's very much that, but it's
also like, you'd never get to breathe
out at that point really, because all
the other stuff is way board board.
It,
Ben: as soon as we learned that he
caused that he had a role in it.
It's like, cool.
That does, that does no help.
And this problem of needing to
survive the next 30 seconds.
Emily: Yeah.
Although he does have a moment
with the like literal blood on his
literal hands and he's like, oh shit.
Jeremy: What causes the zombie virus
is totally unimportant in this movie.
It is moving onto the next thing.
Yeah.
And it
Emily: doesn't need to be you know,
we have this zombie outbreak is
more of a 28 days later situation.
We have very aggressive,
fast moving zombies.
Nobody's saying brains nobody's
shuffling, although much like the T-Rex
their vision is based on movement.
Ben: According to the Wikipedia article.
So take that research as, as you will.
Uh, the movements for the zombie is,
was largely inspired by ghost in the
shell and the nurses and silent hill
Emily: goes,
Ben: Michelle.
Huh?
Well, the dolls goes
Emily: in the shelf.
Okay.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
They have a lot, I think in a
lot of ways more in common with.
Horror creatures that we see and, you
know, Japanese films, like the ring and
the garage and stuff who, you know, yeah.
Move, weird, unsettling ways and
Chris: jerky road jerky, like
unnatural movements that you're
just like, ah, that's uncomfortable.
Emily: It's not, but it's not
Ben: jerky.
Yon.
Suck.
Fuck that guy.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So, we're all, we're almost
to the train already.
This movie moves fast.
So, as they make the late night,
early morning drive to the train
station, things are already going ride.
There's a big fire, uh, at the top
of this soul high rise and there's
emergency crews out being dispatched.
Uh, you know, Sue puts her in her
hand out the window to, to give
some of the snow that's falling.
It's Ash falling from one of these fires
Emily: in a memory spot.
Jeremy: I bet in California.
Ben: Ooh, no wild fire season.
Yeah,
Emily: that actually the movie
came out right before the Tubbs
fire, which is when I went outside
at like four in the morning.
And it was like raining
Ash, just like that.
So I was like, okay.
And then, but the movie didn't
betray me by being campy.
That's the thing it's like, I
really want to say, you know,
it really hits hard, not,
Ben: not a campy movie.
This movie plays it very straight and.
Again, this is one of the most intense
chilling tense movies you'll ever say.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah.
So as they reached the train station
there, they're getting on this train.
Uh, everything is going fairly
normal until sort of two suspicious
last minute stragglers make it on.
But the train, there is a crying girl who
was obviously from the moment she shows
up going to be our first entree in zombie.
Yeah,
Ben: she's already got like
black tendrils going through her.
She's all like she's already
all bloody you going.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
She's got, it's almost weird.
They try to throw us this red
herring of this homeless man as Ooh.
Maybe he's the zombie when it's
very quickly early, this girl
who has been very clearly and
then it's turning into his ABI.
Emily: The band switch where they
have the, uh, the complaint, the quote
unquote complaint where guys, like,
I think someone, someone odd is on.
That's a translation.
Ben: Yeah, yeah,
Emily: yeah.
And, but I think that that's a very
clever and telling bait and switch
because they're not complaining about the
girl who has been bitten by the zombie
with the T rivers or whatever it is.
They're complaining about the
guy experiencing homelessness,
who is freaking out.
Justifiably because, you know, he keeps
saying like, oh, they're all dead.
They're all dead.
And everyone's like, you
know, he's just muttering.
And, you know, he's, he is reflecting
upon the very visceral reality
that is happening right now.
Jeremy: The one thing that did kind of
get me as I was trying to rewrite this
you know, summary of, of what happens in
is we don't ever really find out what's
going on with the muttering paranoid man.
He is not, he's not been bitten by a
zombie, but he is before any of the
zombies show up in the actual story
barricaded himself into this bathroom,
muttering about how they're all gonna die.
Uh, so clearly he's seen some
shit, but we don't know yet.
Ben: I presumed, he came from wherever
the bitten girl came from, but he
wasn't and like that he survived,
whatever you got her cause clearly.
Soul is already on its way to falling
by the time they even get to this train.
Emily: He was probably in the thick
of it because as the new cycle has now
just started to pick up the rioting
and incidents, quote, unquote, Coco.
Jeremy: I love this first.
Real zombie attack that we see that
we only sort of half see as like Yuan
is looking out the window and you've
got the guy sort of like walking along
the train side of the train and then
he just gets tackled from nowhere and
you can't see what happens to him.
And she tries to look back and
she's going to tell her dad, but
she doesn't know what to say to him.
And he's, you know, ignoring
her already anyways.
So she just doesn't say anything.
And uh, it's so good.
It's such a good little moment that
like, you know what it is, but you
can't, you don't really see anything.
Emily: And it does really speak to that
that human way of just being like if I
not worry about it, it's going to go away.
Which is, you know, I'm
going to put a pin in that.
And when we talk about a progressive
politics, we'll get back to it.
Jeremy: So Sandra falls asleep, I
guess he's still, I don't know if
he's bad or mad dad at this point.
He's not sad yet.
He's pretty
Emily: sad.
I mean, like there was this.
Yeah, he's an inherently
Ben: sad dad.
Emily: Yeah.
Like he, there is a scene where he
watches uh, swans recital that she showed
up for that he didn't show up before.
So as
Ben: a classic workaholic, dad, yeah.
I had to see this movie
taking inspiration.
From it's classics and it's forebears.
And in this instance, I am
absolutely referring to the Arnold
Schwartzenegger classic jingle all
the way where Arnold Schwarzenegger
misses his son's blue belt test in
Emily: karate.
I was thinking
Jeremy: about hook.
Yeah.
I think it could be
hook, could be jingles,
Ben: juggled the jungle.
Yeah.
It's very funny.
If I say jingle all the way,
which is a fucking piece of shit,
Jeremy: the Santa Claus, he's going along.
Ben: I got a joke.
If I reference Huck I'll legitimately
good movie worth taking inspiration from,
Emily: Anyway
Jeremy: falls asleep.
So I'm get that.
Do find a bathroom and use this as an
excuse to introduce the characters who
will play important parts in this movie.
As you know, we both follow
her and then see stuff as
it's progressing on the train.
We get my favorite character.
Songhua who uh, we've
already talked about.
I called him the bad-ass in this
with his pregnant wife, Seon queuing.
We're both fantastic.
They're the real heroes.
We didn't
Ben: even talk about the bad dad moment
SoCo had when he's like, oh shit, I
need to get my daughter a birthday,
present what a kid's like, great.
And then he gets another
way that he already got her.
Jeremy: Yeah.
He has another way, which
is still in its box.
Ben: Ah, just the levels of
just classic workaholic, bad dad
Emily: is there, wasn't the
switch out by this point?
Let's see.
It's a pretty late, it's a pretty late wee
Jeremy: situation, but who really wants,
Ben: oh no, it should
not have been a way you,
Emily: That would have said
something in and of itself.
Ben: we still would have been in the,
we you era, which means, yeah, we
would have been the council to go with
Emily: before, like a PS, whatever.
Jeremy: this
Emily: dad
Jeremy: this dad abso- this dad
absolutely would bought a week.
Ben: Yeah, I got you.
One of the 12 X-Box ones
that exist at South Korea,
Emily: I mean, so honest, Solon, she's
very sad and So who is like trying
really hard to sort of like pat, pat,
pat, I don't know what to do, but
I'm trying my best, but you know,
that's also like a sad dad situation
that Uh I've I highly identify with,
Jeremy: so that dad or the daughter here?
Emily: Yes.
Um, like,
Jeremy: Congenital.
Yeah.
There's it's generational
Ben: memory.
Emily: Yeah.
It's a generational
memory on both sides, play
Ben: Assassin's creed it's like
that, but for just bad dad moments
Emily: and the sad dad universe,
it's not, it wasn't a S it
wasn't a bad dad situation.
It was a sad dad situation, because it's
important to note that sometimes dad
just does not understand, like, you know,
hun I'm, I don't understand anime, but
here's volumes two, an eight of X, 1999.
I read in the new Yorker.
It was drawn by women.
So that's why I'm like, it's
Jeremy: not like a specific example
from your real life or anything.
Emily.
It's just like, Your pocket.
This
Emily: is part of my genetic memory
that I experienced in my life.
Ben: This was centuries ago.
Emily: Yeah.
Back in.
Chris: But in this movie you
would just turn to look at your
bookshelf where you have already
Emily: went through eight.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it was difficult because they
didn't come with numbers at first.
They were just like, you just had to
know the, steps in a orchestral suite
in order to follow which one came after,
which you know, vis you gotten better.
Thank you.
Anyway,
Jeremy: So, um, we have some great
charming sort of oafish but a
nice dude also as we said, thick
Ben: quite suit
Emily: he's, he's got a
blazer, but he doesn't have a
Ben: tie.
Yeah.
Also he doesn't like that.
Well, it was a fund
manager and it's great.
Cause him and Suwon just shit doc
said, add together, say, Hey, Hey kid,
your dad's kind of a piece of shit.
And she's like, yeah, I know.
Jeremy: And his wife has being a pregnant
woman in the bathroom, which is uh, one
of the hardest things to be in the world,
especially I would imagine in a train
bathroom we also get to meet the two old
ladies, sisters that are on this train.
They will be around they'll
play an important part in this.
Like you said, the real hero, the
conductor our stewardess or cabinet
attendant who is not long for this world,
but it's going to do some great acting,
in short order here and her, uh, the train
captain who is a real weenie, just though
Chris: she just gets taken for a ride.
Emily: Yeah.
He's, I mean, he's trying his best.
He has
Jeremy: every opportunity to make the
right decisions and he never does.
Emily: He's wearing a tie.
I mean, it is a uniform.
It's not his fault, but
Jeremy: it stops the flow of blood
to your, the moral parts of your
Emily: brain.
Yeah.
The part where they were using the tide,
the like actual their neckties to BZ in
a phobic, I thought it was pretty good.
Chris: Do you love there?
Like get bored neckties.
Ben: while he never
takes off this next guy.
What I hate.
In this movie and by hated, I
mean, oh God, this is so accurate.
So true.
I hate what this says about humanity
is how in a crisis situation, the vast
majority of people just defaulted to
following the loudest and cruelest person,
Emily: the
Jeremy: vocal yeah.
Who we meet here, uh, the rich asshole
young took he's the fucking worst.
Uh, And he will just get worse.
Emily: Yeah.
And then of course we have, yeah.
The baseball team,
Ben: they got a Romit, they're not
the other, they keep each other,
Emily: but they're not
quite dating yet at all.
They're sitting next to each other.
Yeah.
And poor Django, cause like trying
to just be himself and take his time.
And then, uh, Jenny, the cheerleader and
apparently the only cheerleader here.
Specifically she's his
Ben: cheerleader.
I don't think she's
actually a cheerleader.
I think they're just in like almost
dating and she's like, I want to
go travel with my almost boyfriend.
Emily: Yeah.
And then the, all the rest of the team
is like, go out with, or go out with her.
And he's like, I, for real though,
Jeremy: Purely cheerleader in like
the OMI sense, the, he found himself
a cheerleader, you know, not an actual
cheerleader to the best of our knowledge.
She's got the skirt for it though.
I love her aggressive style of
flirting where she's just like,
we're sitting together, you're not
hanging out with the rest of your it's
Chris: at flirting or
just like, Hey, date me
Jeremy: dating.
Ben: Now.
It's like, Hey, I said, I liked you.
The least you can do is just
be like, okay, we're dating.
Emily: If I was her, I would also
be confused because she is gorgeous
and she seems to have a pretty good
personality other than like, I don't
know that all the other guys like
forcing the peer pressure of like, okay,
yeah, that'll turn me off a real fast.
But you know,
Jeremy: yeah, like I said, that
actress is a former K-pop star.
So
Ben: I think she did a great job.
Everyone.
There's no bad actors in this movie,
Emily: hobbies, the zombies
don't take me out of it.
Yeah.
Ben: These are, these require
real physical acting that all of
these people totally commit to.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So we get to the zombies here real
quick, because we have the sick girl,
she sort of limps around and collapses
in the middle of the hallway and goes
into spasms and the stewardess tries
to help her and she stopped spasming.
And so she's like, she's just trying to
get ahold of her, of the train captain.
And we see like this girl sort
of rise up behind her awkwardly.
And like, there are a lot of movies
that don't do many females on bees and
when they do them, don't do them well.
The women in this movie deserve like
massive amounts of credit because
these two who are the first two zombies
you know, the stewardess and this
girl are amazing and we will continue
to be like very good throughout.
But yeah, this, this scene with her
rising it behind her, and then what
comes out of that, which is like,
the steward is limping into the
car with like this girl still on
her back, like chewing on her neck.
And nobody knowing what to do about it
Emily: is like, it's the
car full of the baseball
Jeremy: boys.
Yeah.
Baseball boys are watching one
girl two on another girl's neck.
And they're not sure what to do about,
Emily: at least they're not, I mean, I
can't tell because there's all British,
probably a lot of hubbub going on that
in Korean, which I don't understand.
So maybe there were some comments,
but I didn't hear any like.
Cheesy comments about
girl on girl, which I am.
Thank you.
Thank you movie.
Or thank you subtitles.
I
Ben: could see like an American Hillary
being like, we can, like, we can do it.
We can add this and punch up someone, ADR
it off screen, like the line about this.
And it's like, this isn't sexy like this.
I realized I had, everything's a fetish.
I was going to describe like, EV
everything's it's sexy to somebody, but it
Emily: shouldn't be, yeah,
this is nonconsensual.
Therefore.
Yes.
It's okay
Ben: to kick shame, Armie hammer
Emily: and Hannibal Lecter, But the
guys are seriously like concerned.
Like there's not a lot of, there's not
hooting and hollering and stuff like that
Ben: No, they are reacting
appropriately to, I want shit.
Somebody is biting the
Emily: neck out of somebody else.
Yeah.
This is an assault.
although I don't .Want to pass up cause I
think this is before the zombie situation
escalates, which happens very quickly.
But there's this establishing moment
with young sick who is talking to
Swan Swan's looking for the bathroom.
And then they find the guy, you
know, freaking out about death and
who was, you know, experiencing
homelessness and stuff like that.
And, uh, says, you know, you better
study or you'll end up like him and
Suwon, Looks him dead in the eye and is
like, my mom says that, that's fucking
rude and you're an asshole for saying
Jeremy: anybody who says that
shit is a bad person and you
shouldn't listen to them.
Your mom obviously didn't study very
Emily: much.
Yeah.
He's like, your mom just
must have flunked out then.
And he's like, yeah.
And then
Chris: he like touches her,
which is like so uncomfortable.
You're like, oh, touching
a child beside yours.
Emily: Yeah.
So, um,
Ben: that character just gets
worse and worse and worse
Emily: and friends, he lasts a long time.
Yeah.
Ben: That is, he starts at the bottom
and then just keeps fucking digging.
Emily: Yeah.
I mean, it makes for great further down.
Yeah.
So bad.
Jeremy: This is about the point where
a sad dad wakes up and realizes that
someone's gone and said, start looking
for her when he sees the news on the
train reporting, all these riots.
And so, and other large cities
it's about the same time.
All the zombie stuff is going down on the
other train and, and shit goes bad quick.
Like it goes from being just to this
one, zombie was biting this attended
to like suddenly both of them are
biting like three or four other people.
And.
It is a ton of zombies very, very quickly.
This moves very fast.
Yeah, dad is coming down.
The road is looking for his daughter
uh, and passes the bathroom that
she's in to see what the hubbub is.
And you know, it turns around to find her
just as zombie shit is really going bad.
He showed her checks is on be trying to
get through this, but can't quite get
out because there's a zombie modeling
another person right in front of him.
And uh, it takes bad as dad
getting involved to uh, you
know, help him get through him.
Ben: And his zombie records called fists.
Oh my God.
Jeremy: And zombie boxing.
Ben: I know it's later on in the movie
with the big three visa zombies fight
scene, but just the scene where a zombie
bites into his forearm padding and he just
smashes the zombie up against the ceiling.
Emily: Yeah.
That was like, that was
beautiful that wasn't going to be
Jeremy: watching this movie ruin.
Yes.
Chris: That character has beaten up so
many people in his life and he's like
this report probably gangster or boxer.
And it's just like, I've
just whipped my wife now.
Aye.
Aye.
Nice thou, but that is
just like, all right.
I guess I got to go do this
Ben: again.
So I think it's that he's
a martial arts instructor.
Yeah.
I think that's what his,
what his like his occupation.
So that has to be,
Jeremy: I did a background on him,
but he moves as somebody who knows
what the fuck he's doing in a fight.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Like he is the martial artist.
And when he
Ben: just fucking show like elbow
checks that zombie to save two
on like in the train station.
Fucking great.
Emily: and the interesting thing here
is that like, this is all going down
and the train is running, you know,
so we get a really great escalation
of like, okay, people are starting
to see this stuff on the news.
You know, the, what they
see on the news is writing.
you know, I see anybody
Jeremy: biting anybody, but we see
people like flailing on the ground and
the things that we'll see throughout
the movie represent somebody who is
becoming a zombie, but the news is sort
of misreporting it in the way that a news.
Emily: Oh, yeah.
And then there's the whole
government report where they're
like, everything is fine.
As far as we know,
Jeremy: everything's fine.
Ben: We have everything under
control while the handing
shots of everything on fire.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Which is like, cool.
accurate.
Thank you, movie.
Fine.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So we, we get the Sturge of zombies,
which happens a few times in the movie,
but this time is very disconcerting.
Cause like you know, there's trying
to get away from him and all of the
zombies are running toward him at once.
And they just run over each other
and some of them, you know, pile
up and go flying over each other.
And it's, it's a thing that's moving.
We'll do a few times and
it's always effective.
Ben: Yeah.
There sometimes like it's one
of the more noticeable instances
sometimes of the movie using CGI
instead of practical effects.
But when you as well, which it is
in this movie, it's always just
like this real like holy shit.
Like, oh fuck.
Oh fuck.
Oh fuck.
Overwhelming.
And there's
Chris: massive bodies covering toys.
Never
Ben: goes too back all
around to ludicrous levels.
Not naming any names, world war Z.
Emily: Yeah.
And that's something I want to mention
about the zombies in this movie is
that this is not excessively gory.
We don't have guts falling out.
We don't have brains falling out.
We have what looks like the effects of
coagulated blood that, you know, the
eyes become a little bit Milky almost
like spice eyes instead of like, yeah.
Cause they, their eyes go
blue, which is interesting.
Ben: I think
we have zombies.
You have the advantage of like your
brain can fill in the blank so easily.
And to just it's the most
gruesome kind of death.
Like I gotta be honest.
I, if it's a vampire, I'm like, well,
how much does a vampire bite hurt?
I don't know.
I got my flu shots every year.
Is it like that?
Is it like two flu shots in the neck?
And then you start getting really tired.
I'm not sure, but it was obvious.
It's like, oh shit, I am being.
Into death, like molds.
My whole body is just being ripped
apart chunk by chunk by human teeth.
I'm like, oh shit.
I can imagine that.
And it's just one of the most
horrific things I can imagine.
Emily: Yeah.
Well, and here we don't have like a
lot of shots of people being devoured.
People are certainly bitten and not on,
and we have a few blood spurts and you
know, there's a lot of bloody faces and
things like that, but it seems like it's
more of a situation where someone gets
bitten and then they turn, yeah, we really
Chris: don't know like the zombie
rows of this as like, do they
eat people or do they just like
virus going after board host to
Jeremy: and where that second one?
Cause people turn really
quick and just moving,
Ben: I guess that does
make more sense for that.
Hard Saifai elevates of being
like, yeah, the virus would just
give a shit about reproducing and
spreading as much as they can.
Why does this virus care?
If you're eating brains are
like actually eating people are
Emily: not
Ben: just wants you to
Emily: make more viruses.
There's this idea of like mental collapse.
Like And in this case, it seems like the
victims just like, they want to bite.
Like, that's it.
They want to bite.
Ben: Who ain't been there
though on a Saturday night?
Am I right?
Jeremy: I mean, there's definitely
a point in this movie where if I
were one of the human characters,
I would have been a person,
Ben: like something that happens
very inconsistently in this movie.
And it doesn't happen every time.
The lambs a few times is sometimes right
before someone turns, you see them like.
Shane's personalities are like,
we're very like their, I guess,
their inner most self, because the
grandma on the phone right before
she goes photos, I'll be just like,
she totally changes into this totally
different super bitter hateful person.
And then yelling sick at the
very end has his little moment of
like, look, he said pathetic too.
And we're like, yeah, it's still fun.
Yeah.
So it doesn't happen to all of
them, but sometimes they get
this like, oh, here's the inner
most self right before they turn.
Jeremy: Right here?
We get, I think a pretty good unfortunate
look at R uh, said that in herself because
he, he runs off with his daughter, gets
clear on everything and there's more
zombies, but the pregnant wife and their
husband who like doesn't literally just
saved him they're still in this car and
the zombies are sort of on top of them.
He does not do anything to save them.
He closes the door with
them still in there.
Until, you know, saying why cleans out
some of them he's in the area, man.
It just to take down enough of them
that he's just like, all right, fine.
You can come in.
He in St.
Paul does not like that.
Emily: Yeah.
I know.
He's like, he's immediately
put out which I'm like, okay.
Yeah.
Jeremy: He will continue
to read the rest of the
Ben: movie that dad has earned the
shit that will be talked about him.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I feel like this movie is a real there.
There's sort of this sliding scale
where you've got just the real shitty
corporate guy on one side and you've got
Sangwan wall on the other side, who is
always jumping in to save somebody else.
And I, and our main character
said, dad is sort of sliding back
and forth throughout the movie.
It's just like, ah, will he be a
good person and help other people,
or will he continue to be an asshole?
Ben: Will he be a good dad or a bad dad?
Emily: I really have to talk about
a song Kong as she, which she gets
through the door once she, and Sancoa
get through the door and they close it.
And um, so I was holding the door
closed and he was like, I cannot,
I don't know how to lock it.
And then, you know, someone's
like, I don't think they can
really figure out how to work it.
Jeremy: Yeah, cause realizes that
something about their, how they're
reacting the zombies is that they can see.
And Sergeant young is
immediately like, okay, cool.
Like, got this.
Like, I'm going to spray the thing
with some with some water and we're
going to throw some newspapers on
this door and they're not going
to be able to see us anymore.
And we're safe.
Emily: Shay's on her feet.
Yeah.
It's
Jeremy: very important.
Why are you ready to be a mom?
Ben: Here's a big reason why I'm wrong.
Many reasons why this American remake
that they're the last train to New
York, I think is fucked because a
lot of this movie relies on zombies,
not being able to operate basic doors
and thus can't move from car to cart.
But the trains here in New York
just have this button yet kind
of the big bite and you just kind
of push into and the toes open.
So I think the zombies will
eventually just push, like push
themselves into the button.
And so I don't know how this fucking movie
is going to work once the zombies can push
themselves into whatever car they want.
And I know that they'll say
like, ah, we'll change it.
Fuck you.
If I don't see absolute accuracy
to the New York train system,
I'm walking out the theater
Emily: goodbye $25,
Ben: honestly.
It's about all things concerned.
It's about that.
Now once you factor in the
tax and the, what you have.
Yeah.
Emily: Certified rotten
tomato, that tomatoes, rotten.
Is that, is that a thing that's
happening last trained in New York?
Ben: It trademarks have been registered
I'm but no, like gas has been made.
There's no production thing.
Jeremy: I'm yeah.
That's a lot of discussion about
remaking it as they have with so
many other, especially watch train
Ben: to Busan, just watching this
movie read some fucking subtitles.
It's fine.
Emily: Yeah.
Cause like, this is a really
interesting movie to watch it
because it was pre pandemic.
And if we watch anything that we,
that they create any zombie movies
created after, especially something
to do with like train infrastructure
and public transit and stuff like
that, that's gonna be a lot because
the, the public transit not so
regular in the country, um, being in
Ben: the American south.
Yeah.
It'll probably be like sad.
Dad is some kind of like DC government,
her saying, so then the train came so he
can take the Amtrak from DC to New York.
And that's, that's the route.
Aye.
Predicting this plot, judge, solely
based off my knowledge of the Northeast
Amtrak of the Northeast corner.
Jeremy: I don't know
why you get in New York.
That's a bad idea as the
pandemic will testify that
Ben: it's an island, Zan,
zombies can cross running water.
Everyone knows that.
Chris: And these ones
can't see in the dark.
Emily: Yeah.
The visions based on movement.
Ben: And everyone knows how
dark Manhattan gets at night.
It's a perfect
Jeremy: last train to Newfoundland
Emily: boom.
Jeremy: we get a call from
grandma at this point.
She is clearly bit and dying from the
moment she starts talking and she's,
you know, glad that he's on the train
and pleading with her, with him to, you
know, get his, his daughter to safety.
And then she starts changing
and hangs up the phone.
And about the same time.
Also, we learned from the conductor
that the first time is canceled
because this train station
here is, is overrun by zombies.
And we hit this uh, truly rough scene of
them going through this train station and
people who are like still alive, they're
rushing the train to try and get in and
just being immediately overrun by zombies
as they, they watched through the windows.
Emily: Yeah.
Well, It's interesting too, because
as they go through that, there aren't
stopping, but they slow down through
the station probably because the
tracks are full of people freaking out?
And also, I think it's normal for a train
as it's going through a station to, you
know, not be at like full top speed.
I don't know about trains.
Yes.
Sacramento has the railroad museum, but
those are all like locomotives and shit.
I'm just saying I'm not
a trained scientist.
This
Jeremy: is where we get a
Ben: call, train ologists, my
Emily: bad.
I haven't trained
Ben: well enough.
I didn't get my PhD and Thomas the
tank engine studies for nothing.
Emily: I just seen, I just
seen the creepy pastas
Ben: I was a three-year-old so like
most three year olds I in my requisite
year and a half of just being fucking
obsessed with Thomas the tank.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So, so one wants him to stop and help
these people and uh, sick, who has
to explain to her that at times like
this, you always look out for yourself
which she immediately is not into.
But it's clearly something
that he is currently living by.
And so they're going onto
the next train station.
This one is, is, has been
taken over by the military.
The military is going to escort
them out, take care of them.
They find out through various means
both sick Wu and our, our shitty
corporate guy, both kind of find out that
there is a quarantine going on there.
Subaru manages to talk to his
people, to like, get them, to tell
him which way that he needs to go.
Once they get in there to make sure that
he and his daughter don't get stuck in
this quarantine and that as they pull up
to the train station and it is completely
empty except for these, you know,
barricades guiding them to this thing.
He doesn't say anything to anybody.
He just splits off to go this
other direction with his daughter.
And the only person
who follows him is our.
ranting man, who has overheard
this phone conversation and it's
decided he is coming with them.
And
Emily: he's like, I'm calling
Ben: with you.
I'm not wanting to stay in quarantine.
Yeah, it definitely feels
realistic now after this pandemic.
Emily: Yeah.
Well, and then there was times where
I was like, we have a little bit of
a dystopian situation where like,
you know, which comes up that later
or the like, is this a quote unquote
quarantine situation or, you know,
quote unquote crowd control situation.
But we don't get to find out this
Ben: is
Jeremy: here is the fucking
scariest thing in the whole movie.
Emily: I don't want to gloss over the bit.
There was a little bit of the montage,
the news montage earlier that had
people dropping from helicopters.
Ben: Yeah.
I'm not sure how many
people are in these Helen.
There was
Chris: so many people coming
Ben: through.
Emily: I have questions.
Well, they were trying to get
away or, you know, the zombies
are trying to get them like
Ben: where they already feel
as obvious did we, why did you
launch the zombie helicopters?
Where are you trying to spread
Emily: it?
Now?
Chris: It was very much like, yeah.
Airdropping zombies to spread it.
Ben: What you were trying
to do, but all you succeed.
I was spreading this
thing outbreak to way more
Emily: places.
I think what was, I think that was a
pretty propped up them with zombies.
I think this obvious we're just like
hanging on to the rails, you know?
And then like they lost their grip because
there were zombies and you know, they
can't open doors unless they're Covergirls
Ben: flowers get pollinated, no
Jeremy: onto the skaters below.
Yeah, that, that bit is fucked up.
But what really gets me is this
bit in the train station, he is
like, he's left Suwon at the.
Yeah.
At the crossing here so that he
can investigate, like, there's
this military guy down the hall.
So he, and this other guy who
was with them, walked down there
and he leaves his daughter there.
To see what's going on with this guy
at the same time, the scariest thing
in this is like, they're the rest of
the group is going down this escalator
to the quarantine zone and you can see
it's got our military boots and there's
camouflage and everything as they go.
But as it becomes, as they get
further down, you can see that all
of this military zombified, all of
these guys are zombies and they're
starting to turn around as they
see them right then and there.
And they are on a downward
escalator, right towards the zombies.
MACI bad-ass here pulls out a
great move, which is, you know,
he grabs his wife and he's like,
hold on, dumps her over the edge of
Chris: it's also a BDM.
It just like, Nope,
like we're going on the
Jeremy: stairs.
Yeah.
Emily: I love how everybody's
on the escalator too.
Because like, after being on
this zombie train, you're like,
fuck I'm not going downstairs,
Ben: dealing with stairs zombies.
I've earned the right to not use.
Emily: I mean, And I would even
though the place, first of all,
the station, Is deserted second.
They're very ominous things happening.
So, they're
Ben: remarkably not on guard.
I
Emily: mean, they are a little bit,
they're like, oh, nobody's here.
Okay.
Well,
Jeremy: reportedly that the military is
there and they have things under control.
Emily: and the conductor salute still
on the train, making sure shit is under
control with that train to his job.
He's behind the train steering
wheel or whatever you call it.
And he is there,
Ben: I guess he would just need
a go button, a break because
I guess you, you shouldn't be
steering a train it's on tracks.
Emily: Sure.
Yeah.
There's the go and the not go.
Yeah.
You said that.
And a
Jeremy: little box and he has flipped
and started up the train later on.
And then there's the break, which
we'll talk about that later.
Ben: Again.
I'm not a trainologist.
Jeremy: Yeah.
But I, I do want to talk
about the part of the.
With Sue on where he sees that
there's one military guy at the
end of the hallway is zombie.
And he turns back and sees everybody
else running down the hallway behind his
daughter and his daughter just standing
there in the middle of all of it, like,
oh shit, and takes off running as fast
as he can and does not make it in time.
Sqirl almost gets munched by a
zombie, but luckily bad-ass dad
is here again to save the day and,
uh, jumps in just fucking clocks.
This is on me, just toast that guy.
Emily: So I think it's right before this
scene where we have the fantastic little
conversation between somewhat and Swan.
Song wall points to the, uh, her
baby bump and says I made that.
So it's like shut up.
Ben: Big, weird pregnant energy.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Chris: He's just such a proud dad.
Emily: It's so sweet.
And she's like, this motherfucker.
Didn't figure out a name for the baby.
So we're calling them sleepy right now.
Anyway so that was, it's a
really great interaction.
Chris: And then right after that, all
Emily: hell breaks loose.
they're running the
Jeremy: uh, I don't think so on and jets
where the train and the two dads and
the baseball players all decide to hold
the zombies back there trying to like
lock these glass doors, coming out of
the station uh, which is not going well
because I don't want anybody who's ever
tried to lock any of those things that
are difficult to lock in the first place.
As I mentioned, when the zombies
pressing on them, Shit's not going well.
Um,
Ben: yeah, they spent so long trying
to lock these doors, which then shatter
as soon as they successfully lock it.
Yeah.
Jeremy: I really wanted them to
take one of the baseball bats
and shove them in the handles.
Like
Emily: I thought I saw them, like
I saw them pass a bar from each
other, but maybe they were like,
oh no, it's a pole or something.
I don't know.
I mean, if they wanted to
conserve bars for hidden purposes,
I would get that for sure.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So the first group of people that is just
mostly made up of characters we don't
care about has made it back to the train.
And this is where the like giant
picture window over the train
smashes and zombies start military
zombies start raining on the train.
At which point I was
like, fuck, I don't know.
I'm kind of with these guys, get on the
train and get the fuck out of there.
Like, you know, I'd like to think
I wait for the other people,
but at the point that zombie
started falling out of the sky.
I don't know what I would do.
Yeah.
Chris: That's the point where like
the scale of zombies is more because
you're like th that dead space and then
it's just like, why all of this sucks.
Emily: Yeah.
uh, Is saying like we have
friends back there, you know,
my friends are back there.
I want to make sure that
they're, we should wait for them.
And then my baseball boys,
the ELLs are baseball boys.
And then you also cause
like they could be dead.
Who cares?
Yeah.
And then the, uh, the attendant
captain makes the call to
start the train moving now.
Ben: Again, like every decision
is so revealing about people.
Like the degree of like, we
should stay, we should go.
When do we go?
How long do we wait?
Like at these split second decisions
that just tell you everything.
Emily: Yeah.
sock will manages to make to keep
zombie from biting him by using a book.
So you know how knowledge is powerful
Ben: literature knowledge,
knowledge is power.
He pulled the John wick three.
John wick three, kill somebody with a
Emily: book.
Does he put it in his mouth?
Yes.
Jeremy: Oh, like the idea
that the character's name
is John wick, three, three.
He killed a man.
So as, as two, one and seven killing or
getting down there with uh, one of the old
ladies and I think there's somebody else
in this group, but I don't remember who,
Emily: I think it's on Qiang Suwon
and the, and one of the old ladies
and then one of the homeless man and
oh yeah, the, the, the homeless guy.
And then they're all together.
Ben: after he hears that phone
go homeless, man, it's, it's
like, I am sticking with you.
Sad dad.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Yeah.
But he did not stick with
him to hold the door.
He went with the rest of them.
No, he dipped.
So they just jump on
where they can get on.
And he is very
Ben: much not part of action trio.
Jeremy: Yeah.
As, as they jump on where they can get on
and then immediately realized that jumped
on between two trains, full of zombies.
Terrific.
Chris: Yeah.
Horrific.
Emily: Yeah.
And a fantastic setup for like,
action movie problem solving.
Yeah.
And so
Jeremy: then they Dodge into the
bathroom and lock themselves in there.
The rest of the group with our
baseball boys and said dad and action.
Dad are all.
Running down, I'm running down the stairs
the rest of the baseball boys get eaten.
It's down to just a main baseball hunk.
And and the two dads train as
the train is moving, they got
to run to catch up with it.
Ben: We do see younger looks like,
because again, what I picked up this
being my second time watching it, and
again, just this movie showing us through
action, who these people are so well.
when his friends started to be
in, we see what really becomes his
fatal fond, kind of his defining
trait is that younger freezes.
He is the one who time and again,
freezes in the face of personal
Jeremy: loss.
Yeah, he is.
He is already to go try and help
them, despite the fact that they are
done, they are currently being eaten.
They're not just a little bit.
And we're in bad shape.
Ben: So like watching it the second
time, I felt like, like every time we
get a scene, like when they're on there
doing their action trio and they get
to the car full of baseball boys, and
all he can do is just be pushed aside.
So he's not in the way I'm like
every time he freezes, this
is foreshadowing, his done.
Emily: I do want to mention really
quick other important point.
Two old ladies are separated.
One of them is almost left behind, but I
believe she's saved by the homeless guy.
Jeremy: She winds up with every,
with the group in the bathroom.
And the other old lady is with
the main group of survivors.
Uh, We will learn shortly through a
series of phone calls that uh, the, the
action trio baseball hunk bed or a sad
dad and bad-ass dad are all in car nine.
The daughter and pregnant wife
and a homeless man and old lady
are inside the bathroom of 13.
And then everybody else has in 15.
So They have to go from 15 to 13 rescue,
their loved ones and this muttering
man, and then get them to car 15 which
they attack with verb by grabbing
a bag full of baseball equipment.
And they started a.
Taping up arms and fists and, uh,
the, uh, sat down home shield.
Yes.
Ben: Another great moment from thick
dad that he is running to catch up.
But even then, like he is thinking
ahead, he is like, Ooh, this
riot shield will be useful.
Let me slow down while I'm running
so I can grab it and then catch up.
So we have like one more weapon.
Like this guy is thinking ahead.
He is practical.
He is bad-ass thick dad for president.
Wow.
Jeremy: Yeah.
He texted zombie with the thing
on the, on the platform too.
And classic style.
Yeah, so we've got some
good baseball honking.
His baseball bat said
then his riot shield.
And then the thick dad just tapes
up his fucking arms knees going
to box some fucking zombies.
He doesn't need a weapon.
He is there to fight
zombies and chew bubble gum.
And he's a lot of bubblegum.
We learned a lot of lessons about
the zombies very quickly here, which
is that they're attracted to sound.
They can't see in the dark and
they completely lose track of you
if you're quiet and it's dark.
They beat ass through that first car.
They don't pause.
They don't hesitate.
They just throw zombies every which way.
And they get to the second car.
And it's as Emily mentioned, full
of zombified baseball boys and
a baseball hunk, can't do it.
He can't beat his man.
He can't beat his boys with his baseball.
Emily: Yeah.
He
Ben: can't beat off his boys.
Chris: Hmm.
Ben: That's the right way to say.
I said what I said,
Chris: we've all been there.
Emily: I mean,
Ben: I, I tried to find the light
in a movie that just fucking kicks
you in the guts over and over.
Like so often with these horror
movies, the characters are either
thin enough or outright detestable
enough that you enjoy just the current
age or the creativity of depths.
Like this movie, the
characters are so real.
And so three dimensional acting
is good and the acting is so good
that every death just like kill,
just like, yeah, like it, it hurts.
This movie is so effective.
Gut punching in a way that
almost no horror movie is
Jeremy: just like fake debt.
He is very effective at gut bunching.
Yes.
Emily: That's the thing about this is that
with this particular scene, with the, uh,
the baseball boys there's not a lot of
like, we're not hearing like tears for
fears play every time a zombie falls, you
know, things happen like that later on.
We're not used to like, Ugh, you
know, as some movies might do,
if they're like this sad, okay.
It is a very pragmatic zombie situation,
but when the door opens and you see
the team zombie and around and you
see, the baseball hugs reaction,
and that's all you need to be like,
Chris: and you see, the dads
are both like understanding.
It was like, yeah, we got it.
Got
Emily: it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
This is very, he's just sitting in
the back light being like, oh, uh,
you know, holding onto his, his, a
baseball bat, like it's a Teddy bear
and, you know, he's watching like the
destruction of the Titanic or some shit.
And then like the dads are just
like, okay, shut up, beat these
chil children essentially.
And this really like what you all said,
especially what you said, Ben, about the
the way that this movie got punches you.
This is one of the reasons that um,
Usually a fan of zombie movies is
because when I think about zombies, I
think about this, I think about like,
okay, your relative or friend, or,
the person that, you know, in love
baseball, bro, beer baseball, bro
that you can't beat off the thank you.
They are dead, but alive.
And there is this really sad
connotation to that because you're
seeing somebody that is, you know,
they're, not who they were again,
Ben: this is all sounding like me after
a full week of commuting to, and from
Emily: day job.
That's what I'm saying.
Like I come into these zombie situations.
Right.
And me, but I'm,
Ben: I'm, uh, I'm not dead,
but I'm not quite alive.
I me, but I'm worse than I can't move.
Right.
Would
Jeremy: you be able to murder
Ben on a Monday morning?
Ben: No, I can.
I fucking, I can't.
Oh, I'm like, it's so tired.
Emily: That's why, like I see
these people and I'm like, shit,
and I feel sorry for the zombies.
And so many zombie movies are
just like, here's a shoot them
up, beat them up kind of thing.
Like, okay, we're going
to shoot some zombies.
We're going to run over him with
Ben: there's.
No guns, there's guns, but
none of our main characters,
buyer's a gun at a zombie.
Emily: This isn't first
person shooter, masturbation.
This is like, okay, we're going to go
around and kill a bunch of people that
are attacking us and satisfying ways.
Like that's not there, you know, there's
no like fun gore or like, that's what
Chris: I actually noticed this time
around is that there, you don't really
see like explicit zombie depths.
They're just like beating
zombies up to get through.
They're
Ben: not really hard to kill.
Yeah.
Emily: Yeah.
Because there are people because
they're human bodies and humans
are actually relatively durable.
Despite what horror movies might tell you.
Jeremy: Well, there's a,
there's a scene coming up where
that is really driven home.
They're making their way through
the baseball zombies and they, this
is where they realized that when
the lights go out, they can kind
of sneak past they can't see them.
So said that actually steps up and
figures out that if he, uh, Steals
steal, stick dad's phone and, uh,
calls it at the other end of the train,
Ben: all the he's teaming up with
baseball, hunk and thick tag.
Like he helped keep the door
closed, like thick dad saving Suwon,
like that made, I like a, that
activates some character stuff.
He is less selfish side dad,
Emily: but he still takes, he
still uses the other guy's phone
and basically forfeits the other
guy's ability to communicate.
He's like, I'm gonna keep my phone,
but I'm going to use your phone.
Is the decoy also
Ben: shit talks is ringtone.
Yeah.
Jeremy: So tacky.
I love think that just wants
to, this is like, what is,
there's something wrong with it?
Can you change it?
I don't know.
Chris: And I, I think that
Joe's that his wife changed his
rig totes or whatever it is.
And he just, does it know how to do it?
Just like how my wife picked it out.
I thought
Emily: it was slide.
Yeah.
Also, if you notice it was I
think he had like the image of,
of the ultrasound on his phone.
Yeah.
but I think it's one of the cool things
about the zombie situation and the
tunnel is that you see how the zombies
are distracted by the flashing lights
as they pass in the tunnel, which
is a really great use of atmosphere.
Because at first they used the tunnel as
sort of an anticipatory B where they're
like, okay, when we get out of the tunnel,
because we can see, once we get out of the
tunnel, then we'll attack, they go through
another tunnel and they see that the
zombies are confused by the flashy lights.
And that's when they start
using that, that technique.
And then they realize, you know,
thinking on their feet, they realize
that the zombies are, you know,
have a limited vision capability.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I mean, they're, they're getting ready
to charge, pick that is getting ready
to charge into this next car, which is
the, the car that the that everybody
else is in, in the bathroom and said
that it was like, wait, hold on,
pulls up the train map on his phone.
And he's like, look, we're about
to go through a tunnel right now.
He just, he does some math on his feet.
He uses his money management
skills and is like, okay, we're
going, this train is here.
So in like two minutes, we're
going to go through a tunnel and
we can like get in there and get
them while we're in the tunnel.
Ben: It's some straight up
sat question, math problems.
Emily: They should write them like this.
Like you're on a train to Busan
and you know, your train is moving
at 140 kilometers an hour and you
have a tunnel that is just as touch
chronometer as long, and you need to
get through it and pass all the zombies.
How long does it test this?
Ben: Yeah.
How long do you have like going this one?
If the tunnel is this long and you're
going this fast, how many minutes of
darkness do you have to sneak past the
Emily: zombies?
Yeah.
So take notes.
This
Jeremy: is also one of my favorite
scenes where a thick that opens
the door and his wife was sitting
there at his, he just sort of like
raises his eyebrows out of there.
It's just like, you know,
announces their presence.
And she punches him
and he, he shushes her.
Emily: He does like a, not quite
a shave in the haircut knock, but
either definitely something that
would indicate that he is not a zombie
because he has a regular rhythm.
Ben: Their relationship is adorable.
Yeah.
Jeremy: So they, they get them out and
they decided that the thing to do since
it's next, this next train car is so
crowded is that while they're in the dark
and the tunnel, they're all gonna know
that they have, you know, an old lady and
a child and a pregnant woman with them.
They're all going to crawl across the
luggage racks at the top of this like
train car to get to the other side.
Emily: Well, and think about
song Kong, who has, who's like
pregnant and she has to crawl.
There's so many points where
she has to crawl in this movie.
And I was like, girl,
Ben: oh, right.
Again, this is the most physical,
strenuous physical activity.
I think I've ever seen a
pregnant lady doing a movie.
It's crazy how far she's running and
jumping and climbing and crawling.
Emily: Yeah.
And you see it like take, it's a tack.
So you see the, the take, hold on.
You see a ticket toll on her,
Chris: especially the next day.
Ben: Well, I mean, you really see it at
the very end where she's so exhausted
that the soldiers are like, I'm not sure.
And then we get the song and then they're
like, all right, we think it might be
one of them new singing zombie is, but,
Jeremy: uh, we'll double check.
Okay.
So they get the car.
14 car 14 is clear, but just as they're
getting in there, the light comes back up.
The zombies rushed the door and
they're not able to close the door.
Like the zombies.
One of the zombies sticks their
head halfway through the door.
So like they're fighting to
try and keep the zombies back.
And the door closed.
Both the dads are holding this door.
I mean while the rest of the passengers
in 15 have tied the door shut on the
other side, out of fear from this, uh,
you know, this one rich asshole has
spread this idea that like these people
coming from the back of the train are
going to be infected and they're going
to come in and get them all killed.
So like, you've got this old lady
in this little girl in this pregnant
woman who are trying to get in to this
car and they, they won't let them in.
Baseball honk is trying to beat his way
in, but they're not letting him through.
The two dads are doing their
best to hold this back.
And he daddy
Ben: slide of defense and
Jeremy: Thick dad does his grip and gets
bitten by a, a zombie as, uh, as said,
that is like, we're talking about gore.
This is probably the glorious at
the movie gets cause said that
it's beating the shit out of these
zombies with this baseball bat.
He is like whacking them as hard as
he can and they're not going down.
He can't clear this door.
Our hero thick dad gets it gets
bit and uh, they have an emotional
Ben: moment.
she's stepping towards him.
And then he's like, no, this is
so good.
And it's so sad.
Emily: The second the teeth had his
hand, both Brett and I were like, no,
Ben: it's a good bite.
Is this it's so instantaneous that
you get these moments where it's just,
it takes so little for the world to
just drop out from under you where it
doesn't need to be guts ripped out.
It just needs to be like,
oh shit, a bite to the hand.
Like, it's just as bad as
Chris: guts ripped out.
And the two dads just look at
each other and they're like,
fuck, we know what we have to do
Ben: now.
Jeremy: Yeah.
And, it's like, you got
to take care of her.
You gotta make sure she gets out of here.
And she gets safe.
I'm counting on you.
I'll hold them back.
The zombies in a breaking
through this door.
And he literally just scooped,
slams one of the zombies and like
does like a lateral press on this
army against the other zombies.
And this slamming the back through
this doorway, you know, pushing
the height of zombies back,
Emily: And then as they,
uh, the rest of the party.
He calls out the baby's name that
he's finally decided on, which
is I believe you and Sue on.
Ben: It's really fucking
sweet and really fucking
Chris: sad.
Jeremy: Now they're both said,
Emily: I think okay.
So now that they're still trying to
get into the other, uh, they managed to
like break their way into the other car
Chris: and they break the glass of
the car, but there's like two doors.
So they put just the first
alert then they get in through
Jeremy: the second one.
Yeah.
Everybody else makes it through
except their old lady gets
lets everybody else go first.
Let's the, you know, girl in the
pregnant woman go first and she gets
snapped by some zombies and goes down.
And shit gets a serious on
this other train real fast.
As, uh, as said, that has the exact
reaction I would have when he gets
into that train, which is he sees
this rich ass that was blocking the
door so that his daughter couldn't
get through and beats the shit
Ben: out of him.
I do like that.
The old lady's sister has kind of
a Jonathan Kent man of steel moment
where she's like, no, don't save
Emily: me.
And, , her sister who's been like sitting
with the group within the car she's
just in shock because she thinks that
her friend is dead and then she sees her
friend and she's like, oh, you're alive.
And then she's now dead
for real to watch her die.
Yeah.
So it's and
Ben: we see the sister later as a zombie
and it's the one zombie, it's not like
this just snarling twisting monster.
There's just something like
the, like there's a loss, sad.
Look about this, a
Emily: stir.
And I have a theory about this, about how
these RVs work we'll get to it at the end.
Cause
Jeremy: I think so between
baseball girlfriend and the
other sitting in suspense.
Yeah.
Get everybody into the
Ben: car, uh,
Jeremy: said that pizza, and then the
rich asshole reacts by being like, oh,
he's infected, they're all infected.
They can't stay in here with us.
And uh, of course train
captain sides with him.
And the rest of the people
go right along behind them.
So they send it to like this group up
to the vestibule between the front car
and then the engine ahead of them they
leave the rest of this, group behind and
they go basically stand in this area.
That's just meant to pass through
between the car and the engine.
And this, the remaining old lady she
sees her sister through the glass
and she's had enough of this shit
and she, uh, walks up and just opens
that door and lets design bees in.
And, uh, as far as we know at this point,
they devour everybody that's in that our
group just sees like the shapes of people
running and screaming and the next car.
Ben: The one thing that
Jeremy: I think the most important part
did this seem to me is those people
have already tied the doors shut so that
these people, that our group can't get
back in and they end up tying themselves
in with the zombies at this point,
Ben: I don't get this punishment.
They're supposed to be giving are
untrustworthy the main characters where
it's like, we can't trust you to be here.
You quit.
You have to go to the safer place
with extra protection and space away
from the we're going to lock you.
Chris: We're going to lock us inside here.
Ben: This is like, God, this feels like
when high school and my track coach
would punish me with less running.
And I'm like, this was the goal all
Emily: along.
Well, I think it is, uh, something
poignant about xenophobia.
You know, honestly it it's about
isolating yourself and making, but
also making yourself vulnerable.
When you think you're making
it, you're protecting yourself.
You know, so that was, this is a really
great little vignette about that.
And then the younger of the two
sisters, or at least the more ma
she has a little bit more makeup.
She looks younger.
I don't know.
They're both fantastic.
Both beautiful women blessed.
But she just goes nuts because she sees
all this scene of phobia happening.
And she's like, this is what we did.
This is what we're doing now.
Fuck this.
And I remember at the very beginning
of the movie, She says something
about how back in the old days writers
were quote unquote re-educated.
So there a lot going on with that woman,
and I really like how she did something
really fucked up and she was just nuts.
Like she just like, she was
traumatized, she was done.
She essentially just,
press the nuke button.
And that was its own little story
about trauma, as well as the the
greater vignette she was in about the
xenophobia anyway beautifully done movie.
Jeremy: Yeah.
And that is, that is clear to
us of all our peripheral cast.
All of our meat shields for this
are out of the way we're down to
just a core cast members left.
We have said dad and daughter, we have
pregnant wife, you have baseball home
can girlfriend who still survived.
We have a paranoid homeless
man and a conductor who is
still still driving that train.
And they're, they're almost to
Busan they're coming into Busan,
but the first stop in Busan.
Is blocked.
And they can't like
the tracks are blocked.
They can't get through.
So the conductor comes on and tells
them, like, we're going to have to go
to the far left track across these,
several other tracks full of stop trains
and get on this one, working train.
And that's the only way we're going
to be able to make it through here.
Godspeed and good luck.
Emily: Yeah, he straight up says
guys, good luck and Godspeed.
Cause he's like, I will figure
out the conductor solution.
And he also manages to stop
the train before it hits.
Cause he sees the smoke
and it's really close.
I mean, it's like a car, one car
length between that and the, uh,
obstruction, which is like a bunch of
freight cars that have been toppled.
Ben: Um, this man never abandoned his
responsibility to get as many of his
passengers to Busan as he possibly can.
He doesn't get very many of them there,
but he is a hero for how hard he tries
Jeremy: mean to I down
to his, his own life.
He tries like,
Ben: yeah.
So like I thought you were going
to say, I was, I was going to
say, I give them two and a half.
Emily: Yeah.
I was listening to, he got, he
got two and a half people, which
considering the circumstances not bad.
Chris: Yeah.
There was a lot of stuff
he was working against.
Jeremy: I mean, he has his
own level of venture here.
He died just through it comes
out the other end and makes it to
the station and he starts to open
one, but then that's, that's got
another, some B conductor in it.
So he goes for the other one, he gets
this train started up and everything.
It's it's, you know, it's working,
he's just got to get it moving
so the people can, can get to it.
And as everybody else starts to get
off the train they're doing pretty well
getting through this rail yard until
another engine comes through on fire.
The station plows through
these other trains and knocks
one over onto another one
Ben: and separated.
That's what the enemy had.
Pretty cool.
It have been about where the fuck
did this on fire train come from?
Emily: Well, that on fire trains are shit.
Yeah.
That train was an example of what
could have happened with that.
Conductor should like if he
Jeremy: was a non hero
Emily: conductor.
Jeremy: The only people that we see get
out at this point are baseball honk and.
Who take a run through this whole thing
there, you know, getting through the
various trains, uh, they're making a
run for it, but it turns out they're not
the only ones who are alive because rich
asshole and train captain have barricaded
themselves in the bathroom in this,
as they let everybody else get eaten
in this room and rich ass, I was like,
all right, we gotta make a run for it.
You go ahead and go first,
which is the dumbest shit
this guy could have ever done.
Ben: Right.
The fucking Drake happened.
What are you doing?
I was out the
Jeremy: door and rich asshole just
shoved them into the crowded zombies.
It goes the other way.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Like he literally throws
people under this ABI bus.
Yeah.
He is multiple times.
Ben: So up until this point in the movie,
we've seen people act to not save others.
This is a whole turning point
where the character is actively.
Killing like innocent people.
He gets himself murdered that dude,
he murders people to give himself
even the slightest better chance for
Jeremy: survival.
Yeah.
So he crosses, he crafted several
attracts, gets into the train that
baseball Hong Kong girlfriend are in and
shoves girlfriend back into zombie's mouth
basically to save himself and keeps going.
Ben: No, don't worry.
It's the malicious, it's the intent.
It's not just shoved her out of the way
so he could get by it's actively grabbed
her and threw her into the zombies.
I oh, he's such a despicable villain.
Emily: Yeah.
And y'all cook is our baseball
hug is distraught and he
Jeremy: almost saves her other
than the fact that she's bit like
he gets her away from the zombie.
But she's already very bit and dying
and turning and he just cries and
holds her until she turns into a
zombie herself and takes him from a
metaphorical snack to a literal snack.
Yeah, this is,
Ben: the culmination.
This is the flaw heat.
It doesn't get over.
Like he froze, he just collapsed.
Like he made no attempt
to survive past her.
And again, and I think there's something
horribly tragically romantic about that.
And there's that whole.
Reading of it where it's just pure, like
this teen romance tragedy, which I'm into.
Here's this guy who was of our
main characters, the quickest to
break, and now what he has left
has gone and he is just shattered.
Like there's no will for him to survive.
Emily: Yeah.
It's similar to the old lady
and the train that was wanting
to reunite with her sister.
And so, and also like
reeking, zombie vengeance,
Ben: the whole level of like the fuck.
Yeah.
I feel like the fuck these people, like
was the main message I got from that.
Emily: Yeah.
But it was still, there was still a,
a bitter sweetness there where she's
like, I'm done and you know, but
Ben: yeah, I got more of a,
I don't want to live on this
planet anymore vibe from her and
Emily: she meant it.
Yeah.
And, but Yanga is, very is just sad.
Ben: Yeah.
This is a boy shattered by sadness.
Jeremy: And also this girlfriend
who was clearly too good for me.
Chris: You've probably also thought
like all the other dudes are, are dead.
Well, I do, I
Ben: have this movie makes me so sad.
You know, this movie is like pain.
Emily: .Yeah, this is, this is
some like Greek tragedy shit here.
Jeremy: All right.
So we, we get back to
the rest of our cast.
We're not dead.
They're just trapped between two trains.
So we've got said dad and his daughter and
a pregnant wife and paranoid homeless man.
There are pinned it down.
There's one car has fallen over and
is leaning against the other car
and they are stuck between them,
Ben: uh, when he wakes up and the
zombies are just fucking right there
Emily: in his face.
Yeah.
We have one of the call.
One of the train cars, the
full of zombies is above them.
So they're sort of in this
A-frame situation where they're
on the ground and the the
Jeremy: the zombies are diagonally
over the top of them banging on
the windows, trying to get out.
And it's, it is immediately hopeless,
but he finds a way he finds space
where he can see daylight under the
train and crawls under through the
rocks and, uh, gets to the other side.
And wouldn't, you know, that as soon
as he does a large chunk of metal
falls between him and his daughter
and he can't get the rest of them out.
And he is trying to pull this thing out.
It's incredibly heavy.
He was having a difficult time because
stick dad, isn't there to lift it anymore.
He just has to set that
his way through it.
But meanwhile, like one of the
train windows busts and zombie
start flooding into the space and.
Our monitoring man.
It takes the real things, real heroes
moment and grabs a bunch of the, you
know, hanging wires and charges into
the zombies and starts, you know,
tying them up and doing whatever he
can to keep them from reaching the
the pregnant woman and the little girl
Ben: he wants that thick
dad heroic sacrifice.
Scorre
Chris: There's a lot of sacrifices.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
It takes a lot to save just a
Jeremy: couple of people.
Do you believe their sacrifice
or get sacrificed in this movie?
Yes.
Yeah.
So, Zad dad gets the metal out of the way.
It gets the woman and his daughter
out out from under the train and they
are making a run for it as the train
falls over and all of the zombie starts
spilling out and start running after them.
And they can see the, the engine
that the conductor has started.
It's rolling down the line.
The conductor, meanwhile, sees rich
asshole running across the tracks.
Those save him cause the rich guy,
steps bad on the tracks and falls down.
The conductor runs up to save
him, tries to pull him up.
He falls down the rich guy leaves the
conductor and runs for the fucking train.
And the conductor is
like screaming for help.
He looks back at him and then
just keeps going for the train.
And so the rest of our crew we're
down to three or uh, running for the
train dad jumps on and pulls the,
or, you know, pulls everybody else up
Emily: the
Swan grabs the train.
She actually pulls
everybody up on the train.
I just want to mention that she
gets a little a day in the glory,
light earth glory in the daylight.
She gets her moment of heroism,
which I think is great because for
most of the movie, she's the kid
that everyone's trying to save, but
this time and this last bit of or
I should say I'm losing vocabulary.
It's It's the infection.
Jeremy: Denoument!
Emily: And this final moment, the 11th
hour, it is Suwon that saves them.
And it may be a brief moment,
but I just think that's important
because she did have agency there
Jeremy: that is quickly posh by the
craziest stunt in this movie, which is
like one of the zombies grabs the edge of
the train, but he can't keep up with it.
So falls down, still holding
on to the bar of this thing.
Another zombie grabs onto him and they
start like falling over on top of each
other and grabbing onto each other.
And eventually there's like dozens
of zombies dragging behind this
train and they're like jumping on
and rock crawling and running across
each other, trying to get to them.
Sat dad is, is kicking for all he's
worth trying to knock the zombies down.
Almost gets tackled by a couple.
Finally kicks these guys off.
You know, cause they're
dragging on the train at this
point, but he finally manages,
Ben: they are holding on so hard and the
zombies climbing across each other, like
Emily: ah, the aerial shot of all
of them being chased by the zombies
and then this like giant pile of
bodies that is being dragged off of.
Undead bodies is being dragged behind this
w locomotive, I guess, whatever you call
the, the F the one that goes is the Q2.
Jeremy: The north America was like,
well, Hey, I said, is this would
hands across America was like,
Ben: that was us.
Jeremy: Yeah, so he kicks
the last of them off.
And they are safe.
Every three of them are safe.
They've made it no more
problems, no more issues.
They're going to go inside the, uh,
the engine here and everything's
going to be fine, except credits
Ben: except, and everyone is fine,
Jeremy: except rich asshole isn't here.
He has survived, but he didn't come out.
Unscaved he is looking pretty
fucking rough and starts begging the
dad to get him home, because he is
regressed to this point that he is
remembering himself as a little kid.
He is trying to get home to his mom.
Uh, he is giving him
his, address ceremony.
It was a little kid and dad is
like, look, man, you're infected.
You're not going, gonna make it.
And he realizes this a second before.
He just turns and starts coming after him.
And we get a, a full on duel of the
fates battle across this ties himself by
a chain to the train and grabs him and
just pulls him over the edge with him.
And like the railing of this
train car, as he's trying to
keep him from biting the other
two.
He gets bitten by this guy.
And then in order to get him off
the train, ties himself by a chain
to the train and grabs him and just
pulls him over the edge with him.
And like the chain holds him to
the train and a rich asshole goes
bouncing backwards down the tracks,
Ben: which I guess we need the
goodbye, but I'm like, you've
already been paid and you get, just
go with him, save yourself some time.
I know you got to do
the emotional goodbye.
So he has
Jeremy: to, he has to explain to
pregnant wife what a labeled break is.
It's
Emily: labeled in English.
Jeremy: Okay.
Uh that's.
Ben: Yeah, maybe
Jeremy: end of the engine and be
like, Hey look, this thing that
says break, this is a break.
When you want it to stop,
you need to pull it.
Chris: but we need the final
Momo with the daughter.
Ben: We do.
No, this movie would be, it would
be, I laugh where I'm like, you
could just got over no, this ending.
Would it be very unsatisfying
without The goodbye, if the daughter
Emily: yeah.
And dude wants to make the best
of his final moments, you know,
he wants to be like, okay,
everything in order, everything set.
Okay.
Do you know how to do the train?
Cool.
Jeremy: He tells her to take care of this
other woman um, to stay with her, which
he's telling her at the beginning of
the movie to just look out for herself.
uh, This last bit here with him
and his daughter is heartbreaking
because this actress is so good.
This little girl is.
Ben: Devastating, short of
Jeremy: devastating and I'm
tearing up just thinking about it.
Emily: So yeah, she's like, I mean, she
starts crying her, her, like heartrending
sobs began the second that she sees
him get bit and she's calling for him.
That's
Chris: re I really liked that about it.
That it just like, she already
knows everything has gone on.
So it was like, oh, he's gone as soon as
Emily: he's bit.
Yeah.
Which makes it almost like more like,
well, I mean, it definitely makes
them more sad, but especially for her.
Cause she's like, she, she
really, really wants him to stay.
And this is also important because at the
beginning of the movie, it's this whole,
there's this whole dynamic where she would
prefer mom and all this kind of stuff.
And then there's a point
Jeremy: to leave.
She doesn't want anything to do with him.
She wants to go live with your mom.
Emily: Yeah.
And there's a scene between him and
SonicWall where they're like, you
know, you got to be a dad, you know,
sometimes they want to see their, they
want their mom's more, but it's tough.
It's tough.
But you gotta be a dad, you know,
she'll understand when she's older,
why you did this work for her and.
That that scene by itself is
really rough too, because he
was like doing something cool.
And then there, it was like, this
Jeremy: it's only wants to
give an inspirational speech.
It's not sure if he's nailed that or not.
Emily: It's just like seeing the big tough
guy be vulnerable is another, they were up
Ben: there.
Emily: They're bonding over.
Jeremy: Yeah.
So this last bit she is wailing at the
top of her lungs, begging him to stay.
He is walking to the back of the car and
as he's, as he's transforming things,
losing himself, he's having these memories
of her being born and uh, everything
that led up to this their lives together.
And, uh, he's, he smiles as he drops off
the back of his train and leaves them.
And there's, it was rough
watching this cause I was like,
Emily: I want this to be okay too.
Yeah, yeah, no, I
Ben: was
Emily: not okay.
I was like, fuck.
I was, you know, got the big Hawkin
like handkerchief and blowing my nose.
Yeah right now.
Yeah.
Welcome to progressively horrified.
I think this is the first episode where
we have fucking cried over the film.
It was so good.
It's really fucking sad.
Y'all like, oh, you know the scene where
he's like smiling and his eyes are, you
know, he's eyes are fading in his . Oh.
And then so they finally
get to the Busan tunnel.
the gates at the tunnel are kind
of on fire and there's some bodies.
It's blocked.
So they stopped the train and
they've, kind of carefully
disembark and they go into
Jeremy: the
Emily: ground.
Yeah.
This sort of a zombie Twitch.
And you see them go like enter
the darkness of this tunnel.
And that's where I thought
the movie was going to end.
Because of just how rough it had been.
And I'm like, I guess, you know, they're
going to go for the question mark, but
no, they don't, they, you know, we get one
Ben: last, we get some solace.
Emily: Well, we do get solace.
We get one last moment of suspense
where we do have the military on
the perimeter watching the tunnel.
Jeremy: Yeah, these two people
have shambling through the
tunnel because I mean, they're
fucking destroyed at this point.
They've had a bad,
Emily: yeah, there's a woman and
a child and they're silhouetted,
they're in the middle of the tunnel,
even though they've got, you know,
they've got their scopes and they've
got their, uh, their binoculars, but
they, all they see are silhouettes of,
Chris: and then there'll be a better
way to, to verify or like a side posted
in front of the Toto or something.
Jeremy: I don't know.
These are these move fast.
Emily: Yeah.
And you know, when they're confused
to kind of seem like normal, tired
people, I mean, but Suwon saves them
by reciting her song that she was going
to recite for her dad in completion.
And of course it's on bees, can't say.
So after singing zombies,
that's a different movie.
Ben: I don't know
Jeremy: which one, but it's
Emily: yeah, it's a, oh, we
want to do, is each brand, the
Ben: hideaway where's done
at the dead, the musical.
I know it'd be more than
a few years away from it.
Emily: Yeah, but her song alerts the
soldiers to the fact just as about there,
as they're about to squeeze that trigger.
Um,
Ben: I could believe that this movie
could be so dark as to just kill everyone
Jeremy: off, but yeah.
Yeah.
We're down to two from a very large cast.
Emily: Yeah.
The second that song hall went, I was
like, oh, it's that kind of movie.
Yeah.
Cool.
But you know, they survive as far as we
know that apparently there's a sequel, but
Ben: I looked briefly at the seek
or like, the Wikipedia article
and they don't return to it.
It's just set in the
Jeremy: world.
Yeah.
It's soldiers in Busan, I believe.
Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
Neither of 'em are survivors return.
Jeremy: They live happily ever
after that's nice long lives.
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
D N
Jeremy: yeah.
It also turns out to this song that she's
been saving for her dad is a, a LOHO
and, uh, is all about said sad leavings
and seeing each other again, sometime.
Ben: That sounds very
fitting for this movie.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good choice.
Good choice movie.
Chris: Very good performance too.
Oh that it was a heartbreak.
Ben: She's amazing.
She's amazing.
So
Jeremy: good crying and thinking
and stumbling through the tunnel.
God, I want to hug this girl.
This little girl stopped.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: All right.
So I think, I mean, at the end of
the phone, as far as tying about our
social issues in this film, I think
the one that stands out most strongly
to me is the class stuff, right?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
The a hundred
Ben: percent
Emily: from the vignette about
xenophobia and the CEO trapping
the survivors who have fought
their way here in the vestibule and
Ben: then the explicit message
of fuck hedge fund managers.
Emily: Yeah, exactly.
And then the homeless man who
is not paranoid, Jeremy, he
kept calling him paranoid.
I'm like he stopped paranoid.
He's just
Ben: his view on events is very accurate.
Emily: Yeah.
Like he's, if anything, he's been
taking this seriously from the get-go
worser than other people have, but
Ben: I was overly relaxed
about this situation.
Emily: Yeah, he, but he
shines as a character.
He is, he turns around and as the main
characters recognize him for the human
that he is instead of, of, something that
you've just ignore as like a lot of people
who are experiencing homelessness or just
become part of the landscape to people.
Jeremy: Right.
In the case of our asshole, literally
blame him for his own situation.
Assume he is where he is
because he did not study enough.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Chris, what did you think
about the class stuff in here?
What,
Chris: I really like when zombie
movies, I mean, most movies do have
that sort of a social aspect to them
where they're, trying to get a point
across and especially this one of yeah,
definitely classism and how our main
villain is just this rich asshole.
Who's only thinking about himself
and doesn't want to help anyone.
And our hero is, starts out that way.
And then it's just like, okay, no, like
he, he understands that there's more to
life than just being all about yourself.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I think just by being Korean is very
much in the George Romero tradition of
zombie movies as metaphors for classes.
Emily: Yeah.
And then you also have that
the zombie movie set up, which
is here's the Expendables.
I mean, this is, this is part of the
George Romero, but to be explicit about
it, you know, you have the corporate
whatever w doing their corporate
things with their corporate money and
then basically creating a problem and
everybody else, you know, all of the
majority of people who are, essentially
like the essential workers and the
lower class, people are paying for it.
And we see the dehumanization,
like the literal dehumanization of
them from the corporate standpoint.
And that's one of the things that I
have an issue with, with a lot of this
ABI movies, is that there's a certain
point where it's not about that.
It's not about the monstrosity
of the dehumanization.
It's just about like, let's
kill a bunch of zombies.
Ben: There's no catharsis in any of
the D any of the zombie fighting.
And this be like, there's a moment,
there's little moments where it's
like, you know, when really we get
some awesome action with our action
trio, but for the most part, there's
not, Ooh, headshot, cool deaths.
And now, like, we feel good.
Like, well, you get like
just straight up catharsis.
Yeah.
Chris: And there's no, like, talk between
anyone of like, are these guys dead?
Or should we even care about it?
It's always just like, no,
like it's just surviving
Ben: at this point.
Yeah.
This movie again, to compare it to another
movies on B movie we've compared it to,
and in the apocalypse, which again, do
not take this as a one-to-one comparison.
These are movies with wildly
different tones and goals and
aims that they're trying to do.
But there's no bend wagons riding
up in this movie to do a three
minute, like a four minute musical
number about how much fun killing
zombies are and how awesome he is.
Emily: Yeah.
And that's when that's played as comedy,
like that's the comedy, like it's the
reflection of just how ridiculous it
is to be like, yeah, killing zombies.
This is a heroes world or whatever,
you know, like, no, this is the
training was on is a 500% tragic.
And even our fucked up horrible
villain that lasts too long.
And you want them to have, like, you want
him to explode the way that like the dude
in Robocop, like belts and explodes and
whatever, you know, like you want him to
have like this horrible, horrible death.
What he ends up being is just to quote a
friend of mine, a sad broken man dealing
with the consequences of his own actions.
And that's it.
Like he and it's not necessarily sympathy.
It's just like he, he
created this situation.
And now he is suffering for it and he
is suffering in a very realistic way.
Ben: Yeah.
He dies is like a scared
Jeremy: little boy.
Yeah.
This isn't what we're going to record
with any, as we've said before,
he doesn't, inject himself, turned
into a giant evil mutant to attack.
Oh
Ben: goodness.
It's not welcomed raccoon city.
Emily: Yeah.
For starters,
Jeremy: Guys, do we think do we
didn't train to Busan is feminist.
Emily: It's one of those movies where
I, I don't think it's not feminist.
Right.
It certainly takes the time to give the F
like, first of all, as you said, Jeremy,
we have equal opportunities, zombie horde.
Right.
And then we also have some women
characters that not only are the
survivors, but also have agency, you
know, they're, they're thinking on their
feet, if we could have some of them beat
up zombies, I would have also been nice.
But I think in this case, there was
so much going on that I don't think
it needed to go out of its way to
say like, and women are also cool.
Cause we have Jenny, we have a song Jong.
We have someone in the two old
ladies and stuff and they are rounded
characters that have Very clear,
defined conflicts and arcs on screen.
Ben: Yeah.
Like a fair number of
movies we've covered.
This falls under the category of has
strong, well developed women characters,
but is not actively exploring themes
of feminism or gender equality.
There's good characters.
But this movie has got a lot going on
and it can't be explored everything
Chris: it does show like a bad ass
pregnant woman doing a lot of cool stuff.
But I wouldn't, I wouldn't necessarily
call that like a feminist movie.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I mean, they, it walks a very fine line.
Like we talked about some county
has like this brilliant moment of
papier-mache and this door on her
feet and like, she is a survivor.
She is tough at no point do her, or did he
ever pick up a bat or, uh, anything and,
beat back as unbe, which is a little, she
Chris: does help in the final
fight with the asshole zombie.
Yeah.
She does like, but that's true.
Yeah.
That is like the one moment where she is.
Oh, so
Ben: seven mom's pregnant.
Cut her some slack.
I'll give you, I'll give you a gin here.
Like shit.
He should've like grabbed the bat and
started swaying in, but let's cut some
slack to the seven month pregnant.
Emily: The fact that she actually went
after the zombie while he was fighting
the CEO I thought was just bad-ass.
Yeah.
So
Jeremy: I think didn't, he give,
used a little more development,
a little more of something to
do rather than scream and run.
That's pretty much all.
Yeah.
Chris: Other than yeah, from like one
set, like adding another like active
20 year, like 20 year old, like phew.
Who'd like actually does bad ass shit
Ben: that would've been, yeah.
Chris: Other than that, I think like for
the characters that they have, I think
they did about as much as they could.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
I didn't expect either the old ladies
to start doing flips and pulling
out, twists and kicks and everything
Chris: in a very different movie.
But giving this old lady, like
the big boat would have, like
I'm done with this world that I'm
killing everyone in this thing.
Ben: That would be like, if Steven chow
directed this movie where you think like,
oh, okay, zombies are invading this train.
And then you're like, what?
The two old ladies, sisters are Kung Fu
masters and they just beat up all the
Emily: zombies.
Let's have that movie something like,
can we just have one of those please?
Just the two old ladies beating up
Ben: zombies.
It's like double dragon, but with
his, I don't think he's an old ladies.
Emily: Yeah.
And there, but it's like a zombie
apocalypse and they're like old ladies
saving people using their pragmatism
and their old lady experience.
And they're cooking and knives and
they're of course they're martial arts
and they're like, you know, capability,
but like, they save a bunch of people
and they're like, you know, it may be
the zombie apocalypse, but that doesn't
mean that you have to eat shitty food.
You know what?
We can roast these pigeons
and we can season them.
Jeremy: All I can assume is the snack
cart is at the opposite end of this
train, which is really unfortunate.
They don't, nobody gets to take
a break and grab some food or
any point in the Smithfield from
Ben: the zombies perspective.
Every car is the train is the car.
Chris: Ladies did have a
hard-boiled egg at the store.
Emily: Yeah.
There was a snack machine.
It at like a little kiosk in one of the,
uh, like near one of the wash rooms.
So yeah.
I do want to talk about the the zombie
depiction because again, like in zombie
movies, there is a enabling issue that
comes up with how zombies are depicted.
And I want to say that the zombies in
this movie are less about the monstrosity
of illness and when there's a medical
condition the seizure stage of the
infection is taken fully seriously.
Jeremy: the zombie virus in this, at
least in the early stages actually
feels a lot like rabies in the
way that they, you know, express
they express it physically, and
Emily: the muscle spasms are depicted
more as athletic that I noticed, like
the kind of Almost dance, like work that
some of these zombie actors did when
they were rising back up and they, and
it was less about struggling for them.
It didn't look like they were struggling.
It just seemed like they were just
jerking up and just at top speed,
there was some film speed variation,
which really helped that effect.
And this is where I want to
get into my zombie theory
about how these zombies work.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I'm going to make this
as quick as possible.
It is my belief that this
particular zombie virus like many
reduces the the brain function
to just like basic motor skills.
And so there's not a lot of
cognitive stuff going on.
Not a lot of processing.
There's a lot of attraction to movement,
but I do feel that there is a social, like
a lot of the George Romero and a lot of
the original zombie zombie movie conceits,
there is a social commentary about crowd
mentality that, when the crowd is going a
particular way, Then everyone else does.
And I think that that also has
to do with the people involved
and, them being under threat.
And I can get into theories about
like how the blood circulation
does and all that kind of stuff.
Cause I, I thought about this
a lot because I felt like there
was a lot of really cool details
whether or not they were intended.
My like science fiction, fantasy
reverse engineering brain was going on.
But the fact that the zombies were
confused by flashing lights, that
they would all crowd in a direction
that the zombies were going.
If one zombie noticed something,
not all of them had to hear it,
but once they saw one person going
some way that they would all go.
I feel like there's a certain amount
of, commentary on crowd mentality.
Not so much that it is bad or
good, but that it is can, it can
so easily be taken advantage of.
So I thought that was interesting and that
being of cool little nugget of detail and
how these RVs worked, that we don't really
need to know because then, as much as we
want to think about it, scientifically
with our, star Trek imagination.
I think that it's it hearkens back to
the heart of what the idea of the zombie
apocalypse is about, which is about
people losing their humanity on Moss.
If that
Chris: makes sense.
Yeah.
Jeremy: I think that
definitely makes sense.
Does anybody else have
anything to add to that?
Or do we want to talk about
how, uh, what, whether this
movie is worth people watching?
Ben: Yes.
I'm so fucking lutely prepare to be
gutted, but yes, it's incredible.
Emily: Bring your hankies and your tissues
and your your steam, your tea, Teddy bear.
Jeremy: Yeah, it's only three
or four different streaming
services for free right now.
So yeah, I took it out.
I watched
Ben: it on YouTube for free.
Jeremy: since we obviously
loved this one, what else do
we have to recommend this week?
What should people check out, Chris?
Did you have anything to recommend.
Chris: I don't think it's necessarily a
horror movie, but it feels like a word for
moving to meet the handmaiden or by park
general, I think is an incredible movie.
And it, it very much feels like a warm,
Emily: I think it is
solidly a horror movie.
Jeremy: Okay.
Yeah, I have yet to see it, but
there's definitely been described
to me in ways that sound sound
very much like a horror movie,
Ben: if you want more intense,
trained based genre fiction.
Definitely check out snow up here, sir.
A south Korean director with
a pretty great American cast
with Chris Evans in the lead.
Emily: I would recommend, uh, if you
want something like this, that is
just almost as effective at taking the
zombie situation very seriously without
being too campy as 28 days later.
There are some, there's some elements of
28 days later that are definitely campy,
but this, if you take the scene in 28
days later, where Kelly and Murphy is
like crying in the middle of the street
to Godspeed you black emperor, and you
make it a complete coherent movie, this
is that's trained to Busan right there.
And no, no Godspeed.
You black emperor, just
good luck and Godspeed.
Jeremy: In terms of directly in the
internals, but I honestly don't know.
everybody's mileage on
that one is going to vary.
But I do
Ben: recommend things like that.
The new rules, it's our
Emily: podcast.
You can do whatever the fuck you want.
Yeah.
I'm opening the zombie doors right now.
Jeremy go for
Jeremy: it.
If you want some, uh, some more
good action from our thick dad
you might check out internals.
He is my favorite part of it.
He's Gilgamesh in it.
And he is uh, amazing.
There is a lot of the movie
he's not in, unfortunately.
. But the one other, one of the movie I
have watched with him in it, uh, which
is pretty incredible, is unstoppable.
Unstoppable is, is sort of a, it's like
a crime thriller with him where, you
know, his, his wife goes missing and
it's you know, he's trying to track
her down and figure out what happened.
And it's a.
It's super good.
And I, I mean, I loved him and
everything, so, anything that you can,
uh, get with our good thick dad, uh, my
dunks yak, uh, also known as Don Lee.
If you're looking for a lot of American
titles, that'll have listed as done Lee.
Definitely he, I think he's
the one to follow from this.
I mean, everybody's great.
And then, but he's really fantastic.
Ben: We have the star of parasite
and going, you, you might have seen
after this in squid games where he
plays the recruiter who just slaps
the shit out of people and it's sexy.
Oh,
Emily: I haven't seen squid games yet.
And I've been wanting to,
it's just, it's on my list.
I have another question.
I also real quick would love to know what
would you all recommend for a followup
to this movie to cheer yourself up
Ben: a goofy movie?
Yay.
Emily: Dad bonding.
Ben: Yes, exactly.
Yeah, but now we got the
happy ending with it.
Yeah, I'm going with, uh,
Pete is a way was thick.
Dad don't get me wrong, like way worse.
This is a bad thick dad and goofy movie,
but, uh, yeah, I'm gonna go with goof
trip, goofy and max going on road trips,
Chris: Chef for another good dad movie
Ben: chef.
Good pack.
And now I want a Cuban sandwich.
Chris: Oh, the good dad movie Rove.
And it's delightful.
Ben: Uh, I can I find, where am I?
It's New York.
There has to be someplace.
I can get an 11:00 PM Cuban sandwich now.
Emily: Good luck and Godspeed.
Actually, that probably is.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Emily is going
to take me a second.
Do you have you have something,
Emily: Hook
Jeremy: dang, ring Rufio yeah, I, I am
going to, uh, not recommend something
particularly dad related but something
that I fell into the other day, cause
it was on a list and because I am
who I am, I just started watching
it, which is when Harry met Sally.
A favorite of mine that is
just so infinitely watchable.
I
Ben: think people should just go home and
play cats in the cradle on loop 20 times.
Jeremy: So what I'm going
Ben: on?
No, there's only like cats in
the cradle and the silver spoon.
When you come at home, dad don't know when
Chris: anymore.
Just like drinks of water and
Jeremy: relax.
All right.
Uh, so that about wraps it up for us.
Chris, can you let people know where they
can find out more about you and your work
Chris: online?
Yeah, sure.
You can, uh, look up all of my
work at Matt cave studios at dot
com and that's all on the handles
Jeremy, uh, Covey and the config,
uh, years, or sometime in the future.
Jeremy is going to have something there.
Ben: Yeah, hell yeah.
Chris: Uh, you could follow me
personally at Y the last Chris.
And yeah.
Jeremy: Yes.
And I, it was a long passed by then, but
I just got to post some of our character
designs from our mad cave book today.
Jen, I'm super excited about so will.
We'll be months in the future from
now, by this time this comes out,
but well, a month in the future.
All right.
Uh, as for the rest of us, you can find
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Emily: patriarchy here,
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Yeah,
Jeremy: well, we're
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It was a real pleasure.
Thank you for coming on.
Chris: Thanks everyone for having me.
It was a really good time.
Emily: Yes.
Thank you.
Thank you for seeing us through this time.
Ben: Thank you so much for joining.
I hope it was a fun time for you tonight.
Sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jeremy: And, uh, thanks to Ben and
Emily for co-hosting as always.
And thanks to all of you for listening
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