Bamboo Method: Investing in the Unseen

As The Bamboo Method closes out its first season, Sam and Wade reflect on one idea that has continued to surface throughout every conversation: the smallest, most ordinary actions often shape our lives the most.

Inspired by a quote from The Lord of the Rings, they explore how everyday acts of loyalty, kindness, and consistency keep small problems from becoming big ones. From maintaining friendships and following through on commitments to caring for a home, a business, and the people around us, they discuss why meaningful change rarely comes from dramatic moments. Rather, it comes from ordinary faithfulness repeated over time.

The conversation also looks ahead to the future of the podcast, sharing why the show is moving to a seasonal format and how creating margin is an investment in sustainability.

If you've ever felt like the little things don't matter, this episode is a reminder that they're often the very things that shape who we become.

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What is Bamboo Method: Investing in the Unseen?

This podcast was born from a belief that meaningful growth doesn’t happen overnight. The things that really matter—in life, business, art, relationships—often take time, patience, and unseen investment. And yet, we live in a culture that constantly pulls us toward immediacy: fast food, AI, and overnight success stories.

But the reality is:
Anything truly worth building usually takes time. Success doesn't arrive in an instant.

We take the time to ask our amazing guests, what are the things that are worth putting in the time and investing in, even if we don’t see results for a long time?

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Wade: Hey, guys. Welcome to the Bamboo Method Podcast, Investing in the Unseen. I am your host, Sam.

And I'm Wade, usually the producer. Today, I'm the driver. Chauffeur. Chauffeur.

260429_0103_4: Um, Bamboo Method

Wade: This Podcast

260429_0103_4: is

Wade: about investing in the things that we can't see and that take

time.

Many things take time, they say good things come to those who wait, but oftentimes we want to quit

260429_0103_4: quick, convenient

Wade: option, a vending machine, and many things in life operate that way, which I think has also changed how we

approach

investments

and growth

260429_0103_4: and opportunity.

And we

Wade: Let's talk about the things that

take time and are worth

pursuing even though they take time

The things that are most worth building in life typically do take time.

Absolutely. Yep.

So that brings us to why are we in a car? What are we doing

here? Where are we going?[00:01:00]

Where are we going? Why

are we going?

Today we are headed to Montana Festival in Bozeman, Montana. That is a great opportunity to

260429_0103_4: a podcast, and

Wade: podcast, and Wade and I have a lot of our best conversations in-

260429_0103_4: and, uh, um, thoughts the windshield time.

So we figured, hey, it'd be fun to record a podcast, this comes with some announcements. We're gonna give some thoughts for the future of the podcast as well as a bit of, um, just actual podcast talking. So, um, this we thought was a great opportunity to get in one of our good thought modes and spaces Wade, what's going on with the podcast?

Wade: Question. Uh, up to this point, we have learned a lot. I think this is our 13th episode, and as we've been discussing the future of the [00:02:00] podcast, what we want it to be, we felt that something that The Bamboo Method in general, as well as our podcast specifically lends to, would be seasons. And so obviously, seasons in terms of our lives and, uh, there are seasons that are reaping, seasons that are sowing.

You know, you work really hard. There are seasons that you gotta just rest. Um, and we can talk about that more, um, as we get into it, but also seasons practically in, uh, seasons of podcasts. So, um, up to this point, it has been season one, whether you knew that or not. And so this is gonna be the final episode of our first season of The Bamboo Method.

And then, uh, we'll talk a little bit more logistics on what season two is gonna look like later. But, uh, yeah, we're really excited to, to think about the bamboo in terms of seasons rather than just episode by episode. Um, and that's just gonna allow us to [00:03:00] have the capacity, uh, and sustainability to create these episodes and seasons around a theme or around a certain idea, um, and cater them towards really sustainability.

We kind of went really hard on the first few episodes and found out quickly that that wasn't sustainable. Uh, it's something that we learned and so- Sustainability matters. Yeah. Um, sustainability matters and so, uh, seasons just offer a unique way for us to keep it sustainable, but also keep it the pace we want

Yeah, so we're super excited.

260429_0103_4: We

Wade: think having this season two also allow opportu-

260429_0103_4: to create some

Wade: intentionality

even around certain themes

and

260429_0103_4: specific journeys

Wade: that

260429_0103_4: can, we can dip into and out of. [00:04:00] And yeah, we're, we're still really

Wade: 70

bucks

260429_0103_4: um, what's

Wade: ahead for the AMBU Method, and

we have all kinds of ideas

260429_0103_4: and are working on implementing those.

And so

Wade: we'll, we'll share more as things are, share more as things are on their way. And we just also want to say thank you for all of you who have joined us on this journey, who have listened and engaged, and also

participated. Those of you who have been

260429_0103_4: guests

Wade: on the podcast. and The conversations have been

260429_0103_4: amazing, we've really appreciated the response of,

Wade: So

260429_0103_4: uh, those of you who have listened, and the continued

Wade: shared

passion for this idea

260429_0103_4: that things that matter take time.

we know that that's not

Wade: Just something I believe

that we

will

260429_0103_4: um, and that's a great thing to know that we're not alone in the wanting to continue to push towards those things that matter, and [00:05:00] take investment, and are long-lasting, not just fast food and shallow Let's get into it. Um

Wade: idea to talk about today. How about you explain what you're thinking about today?

260429_0103_4: um, turkey. Calling out animals. see 'em. Um Yeah, it's funny In the past few months, as we've been working on the podcast, how real this concept has been in our lives and how hard that's been [00:06:00] um, there's been some times that ironically, as we talk about this idea of the Bamboo Method, um, I've actually been pretty resistant to of wanting to implement Bamboo Methods how much I've wanted life to be a vending machine Um, that's quick and easy.

I put something in, something comes out and, um, wanting to know that my efforts are, are creating something and life is just not quick. It's slow. And a lot of my life has felt that way. And so I've actually a lot of processing and just the fact that we've been doing this has actually helped me reflect on a lot of that and learn from other people and see what that actually looks like. Um, an irony in all that is even though we're hosting the podcast, we're not necessarily [00:07:00] on the bamboo method or, um, what, what that's supposed to look like or implementing and executing, but just passionate about the concept and want to to be better about it and have those conversations that can continue to push that forward as a culture. But, um, a quote that really has hit me hard that I've been thinking about that fits this really closely is from the Lord of the Rings series. Sure. We're nerding out here a little bit. Um, J.R.R. Tolkien. Tolkien. Tolkien. I'm, the guy, white guy who's going to butcher it. Tolkien. Tolkien. Um Is that real? Tolkien? I've never even heard of that. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I've

Wade: heard Tolkien. Well, obviously you've

heard it 'cause that's not how I

said it. [00:08:00] Yeah. I- I've heard people that seem much more, uh, nerdy and educated than me say Tolkien, but I've always said Tolkien, so I-

260429_0103_4: Tolkien, so I don't know.

Wade: The author of Lord of the Rings

states

260429_0103_4: this idea,

Wade: this is a quote, "Some believe it is only great power that can

260429_0103_4: hold evil in check, but that's

Wade: that's not what I

have found.

This is Gandalf

speaking, yeah? Yep.

260429_0103_4: "But that

Wade: is not what I've found.

260429_0103_4: I found it is the small,

Wade: everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. Small acts

260429_0103_4: acts of kindness and love." And I saw

Wade: I saw this video where this guy was talking

about this

quote, and just the concept of Lord

of the Rings overall.

We're nerd out a little bit here. Bear with me. Stay with me, even if you like Lord of the Rings or you don't.

260429_0103_4: Um, I'm sure you're familiar at least with the concept.

Wade: There's a ring of

power, gotta destroy

it. There's orcs, gnarly looking

beings and [00:09:00] evil

powers. It's great. It's fun. There's a Balrog.

260429_0103_4: Balrog. It's fun.

a

Wade: wizard,

and healing

260429_0103_4: there are a few wizards, three. Um, Radagast, Saruman, Gandalf. I'm doing it.

Wade: Heck yeah. Wow, you think I-

260429_0103_4: Yeah, and-

Wade: Give this man a microphone and talk

about Long Island Ranch You don't think he's gonna be able to handle Thursday night football?

260429_0103_4: Lord of the Rings today, did ya? The evil, that's

Wade: the orcs and Saruman and Sauron, and all this evil that

260429_0103_4: just

Wade: grows and

starts to invade

and gets more power and more numbers

260429_0103_4: The reason why it's

Wade: I'm able to do

that

260429_0103_4: is 'cause the men in Lord of the Rings, in the story, the men of Gondor, the men don't keep it at bay. They ignore it. And this idea that, um, has is

Wade: that when he's trying to go

260429_0103_4: communicate is [00:10:00] it's

Wade: not great acts of power that keep people at

bay. It's the small ordinary acts.

260429_0103_4: acts.

Wade: The

things that don't go ignored eventually become dragons that you have

to slay. And we can talk about that as on a

personal level of just

like the issues that I have in my life

260429_0103_4: that

Wade: don't go addressed can become dragons. that's how

addictions come about. That's how relational,

you know, tension and anger, relationships, if you don't

address the small things, they become-

260429_0103_4: they become big things.

I think it's true in business.

Wade: if

260429_0103_4: there's, um, small practices that are not done to keep you on track or little costs add up, or you, we could say it in so many ways, but that's just really hit me, is the small ordinary acts, everyday deeds of ordinary folk that keep the darkness at bay. And that's just kind of stuck with me. I think oftentimes wanna see things be these big moments, big [00:11:00] acts, big moments of progress. Little ordinary acts, they're not fun, they're not glamorous, they're not exciting oftentimes. And In typical Bamboo fashion, you don't see that progress. Um, if you exercise every day, you're not gonna... At the end of the night, go look in the mirror, you're not gonna look any different. Um, over time, and that's the whole point of the, the, the, um, podcast. But that quote has just been hitting me, the ordinary, um, little ordinary moments. It's what keeps evil at bay. And- It's

Wade: that like it's, it's the, I've heard like when you prioritize your time, there's like urgent and non-urgent, important and non-important, and if you spend too much time in the wrong quadrants, the important not urgent, which are the day-to-day things I'd argue, those [00:12:00] start to pile up and then they become urgent.

And so even as you said, like if you don't keep that at bay, do the little things every day, things become dragons that didn't used to be. And like thinking about, you know, it's a lot, like everyone's busy. It can feel like we have endless to-do lists. I can feel that way often. But when you actually think about like is this an important task or not important?

Is this urgent or not urgent? Like I tend to spend a lot of time on urgent but not important things. Yeah. They feel urgent, but they're actually not that important. Yeah. And I put off important non-urgent things. And then the more I do that, eventually those important non-urgent things become important urgent things.

They become dragons.

Yeah. That's, that's

260429_0103_4: thing is if you don't take care of tho- Yeah, if you don't take care of it when it needs to be

Wade: taken [00:13:00] care

of when it needs to be taken care of

260429_0103_4: when it's small, it will become urgent, and it's

Wade: also important. So then you're just

putting out a bunch of fires

260429_0103_4: and that can feel exhausting and, um There's a lot of things, the ordinary

Wade: weird things in the past

few months

260429_0103_4: months, I've, a lot of people have

Wade: We talked

about this, but

it's something...

knock down the tempers, let's-

260429_0103_4: that I tend to just kind of put things off and focus on the fires or the exciting things or what's in front of me that I want to do. And there's just so many things that it's easy to put off that it's like it takes five to 10 minutes. And now if things hit my to-do list that take 10 minutes or less, I just do it. Yeah. Because it's like I just, this is something that needs to get done now. And

Wade: And, uh, I'll, I'll, uh, add it to my to-do list. Like emailing someone, like I'll write it on my to-do list to email [00:14:00] someone. It's like, okay, it would've taken one minute longer to just email.

It's only a certain amount of time, but- Then add it to the list

it creates an organization

for doing it- Exactly ... as opposed to just do it.

Yeah.

260429_0103_4: And, but those things can then fester and cause, then you have more to do. And things like housework. There's a lot of things at the house that it's easy to just be like, I don't need to do that right now. But the reality is, is if I don't do that now, it's going to become a bigger problem later.

Yeah. so I'm just going to do the little tasks now that keep things ordinary. Because that's actually really the desirable, it's better if it's ordinary. Some things it's like, if it's exciting, it's actually not a good thing. It's because it became a problem and it's significant. There's a problem here to fix.

And keep because then that can keep it maintainable. [00:15:00] And in my mid-30s, a middle-aged man- Mid-30s?

Wade: 30

260429_0103_4: I'm a middle-aged man, Wade. I just truly have been really actually seeking ordinary. You know, when you're younger, you kind of want this exciting, thrilling life. now I'm like, I just, I kind of want to just live an ordinary, simple life.

I love the simple things. I love the nights where we just don't have a lot to do. And the trips to Costco, those ordinary things. A good parking spot at Costco. I tell you what, that'll get me excited. Wow, that's going to make an easy trip in and out. But yeah, the things that are exciting these days are far more ordinary and less thrilling. And I've just been pondering this idea of what does it [00:16:00] look like to continue to structure my life around ordinary acts that will keep evil at bay. And I use the quotation marks because some of it is obviously it was a, it's a fantasy story that, I do think there is real evil that actually I got to keep at bay.

I do think that that's a real thing. We got to keep evil at bay as a, as a Christian. I think that is how evil is kept at bay. I think we change the world in our home. I think we change the world by doing simple acts as followers of Jesus. And as me, as a parent, it's the little things that make a big difference in how I raise my kid.

I think I can change the world by raising good kids. But, um, the quotations is in the reference to just like keeping the to-do list at bay which isn't actually evil. It's just how do I manage my to-do list? How do we manage our business in a way that, um, keeps things moving forward and is not just putting out fires?

Um, and that's [00:17:00] not a tr-a true evil, but, um, I think is the exact same. it takes the same mindset to achieve. And, uh, I don't have all the answers for that question, but it's, it's been, uh- It's, it's been a big, uh, question mark in pursuit of my current life. again, it's ironic that we set on this journey with the Bamboo Method, and it, it really is kind of a big part of our, how we w- posture our perspective. What, uh... read Lord of the Rings? Yeah. Recently?

Wade: It took me like many months to get through all of them- Sure ... but I did get through them

260429_0103_4: think the Yeah. What were your insights reading, uh... Obviously, it's just a fun book to read, and that's why you read it, but did you, did you pull any way, any insights that pondered after reading that?

Wade: First of all, if you haven't [00:18:00] read it, the book's been out for, like, 100 years at this point, so, like- Spoiler alert ... if there's gonna be sp- There's gonna be

spoilers. Turn off now.

Uh, if you haven't read it by now, I mean, yeah. Yeah. Just wa- just watch

the movie. Stop the podcast, go watch the movie, come back

Come back to this in eight months.

Yeah

Uh, the ending I felt was kinda weird. Yeah. The eagles, like, save everything. It's a bit of an aside. Yeah.

260429_0103_4: Yeah.

Wade: It's kind of a... It felt like a bit of a cop-out ending.

the, the owl bird just said, "It's okay."

Like,

"Okay." "I'm happy 'cause I said so. 'Cause I said

so." It's the eagles. Yeah. Owl could've been there

the whole time. Yeah. Um- Um, any takeaways from one of their innings? Um

260429_0103_4: Which, which, which is to the fact of what we're talking about. That's not an ordinary act [00:19:00] The eagles Sure.

Wade: Yeah, that's a good point.

It's extraordinary Yeah. and a little outlandish, for this world. Who here has

access to, to eagles-

Yeah ...or something similar

in life? Sure. I think, uh... I guess maybe what's coming to mind for me is Sam Gamgee. Yeah. I mean, I feel like he's, like, the most likable character in the whole book.

He's a gaffer. Yeah. And, uh, I feel like just the friendship that he has with Frodo, like, is,

260429_0103_4: it's, it's

Wade: is... It's weird getting sappy about Lord of the Rings, but it's true. Like, I think it is an ordinary act to just be a good friend- Yeah ... and be loyal. Yeah. And as, as seemingly mundane and ordinary it is to just be a good friend, it's pretty challenging, and honestly, pretty rare.

Yeah.

260429_0103_4: Yeah

Wade: Uh, at least that I've found, and even my wife and I have found is, like, someone who's truly loyal [00:20:00] is... That's something that's very special. And so, you know, that's something that I'm really grateful for with my wife. She is, like... She's the most ride or die, like, wolf pack, like, if sh- if she's... If you're on her list, her short list of people, she will, like, die for you.

260429_0103_4: Yeah

Wade: and obviously I'm being a little bit dramatic, but it's true that, like, loyalty is something that is so, I think, rare, but can ghost, can mean so much. And so,

260429_0103_4: Yeah

Wade: like- Yeah ... Sam Gamgee takes a leap of faith. He's like, "I don't care what you're doing. Sounds crazy, but, like, I'm your friend, and so I'm gonna go with you."

Yeah. And, uh, I don't know. There's something very unique about that. And then, like, how many friends would actually do that? Or even thinking about my own life, how many people are there that I would actually do that for?

And- Well,

yeah, would you do that, [00:21:00] Yeah.

260429_0103_4: that for?

Who are you loyal to like that? Yeah.

Wade: Who would you do that for- Well ... if it was like that?

Yeah. It's a great question. And I mean, you, my wife, like, there's not a ton... Like, my family, of course, but like, you know, just thinking about friends, like, that's, that's a big a- That can be a big ask. And so, um, obviously, um, Frodo's case is, like, the fate of the- the fate of Middle Earth is on the line, but- Yeah

I mean, without Sam Gamgee, they wouldn't have made it. They wouldn't have accomplished their goal. So I don't know. Friendship, I guess, is what's coming to mind for me.

Absolutely. I don't know if this is in the book. I have, I haven't

read the book, full disclosure. What?

I've

only

watched the movies, though I have read The

Hobbit multiple times.

The Hobbit is, The Hobbit is way easier to read. Yeah. Start with The Hobbit if you haven't read them.

Yeah. Great book. Yeah. I love The Hobbit.

Reading

it with my-

260429_0103_4: kids right now, actually. Halfway through. Um, [00:22:00] but

Wade: I love the line in the movie when

Frodo says,

"I'm going alone." Yes. He says,

"Of course you are, I'm coming with

you." Yeah.

like that's friendship. It's like, "Yeah, you're going alone, and I'll be right there next

to you." Yeah, exactly. Um,

but I think loyalty

is, like, such a

260429_0103_4: r- thing in our current culture So much

Wade: so that it's

like, what does that even mean?

I know.

What does it look like

260429_0103_4: to be loyal? And like when you're

Wade: Saint Loyola, obviously we know it as St. Louis University, but- Yeah ... what do you, what do you

hope, what does that mean?

Yeah. That's a good question. I mean-

I think, uh, loyalty in practice is, um Integrity, like doing what you say you're gonna do. Yeah. [00:23:00] Um, if you say you're gonna I don't know. Uh, maybe let's get specific. I think we've been pretty in the clouds so far, so, like, getting specific, I mean,

I, uh- you say you're gonna buy a book on Amazon, you do

it? Oh, yeah.

That's a big item. Damn. Um- Sure. But even, like, "Oh, we'll, we'll have to have you over for dinner." Yeah. And I say this because I've done this, and I- Oh, that's such a good example ... and there are people that I've, there's people that I've told that, and I

haven't- done it yet. Such a

260429_0103_4: but,

Wade: good example. But,

like,

if it really matters to you, you do make time for it.

And so, you know- Yeah ... if there's someone you wanna hang out with, make it happen. I mean, like, especially, a-when you think about being a kid, you hang out with friends all the time. It, it can feel so,

like,

just a lot to, like, hang out with friends. Yeah. But it's like instead of waiting for plans to happen, instead of waiting for, [00:24:00] like, to be invited to something, make the plans.

Make the plans. Have the party. Host you. And you're like, "Hey, we're throwing a... " You know, you might have to buy the food, but, like, invite people and, uh, make plans.

260429_0103_4: Yeah. So

Wade: yeah, saying, doing what you say you're gonna do, I'd say. And then- I think little acts of kindness. Like, my wife is really good at these things.

Like, just getting someone a little treat. Just like, "Hey, I heard that your dog died," or, "I heard that your mom got surgery," or, or even an accomplishment, "I heard that you had an anniversary." It's like a little gift. Like, even if it's just a candy bar. Like, Sarah, my wife, knows everyone's favorite everything.

Yeah. And she has, like, an amazing memory in that way. And so, like, she'll just get, you know, "Oh, I know this person loves Heath bars." It's, like, so specific, but it's like, "I'll just get them one." Costs a dollar. It's like- [00:25:00] Yeah ... who, who cares? But it means the world, right? Or- It's the thought. Yeah, it's the thought.

And so those things just go so far, and I feel like... I mean, we keep talking about our episode with Lynn. Uh, like writing notes. Yeah. Like, no one writes notes anymore and including me. Like, I don't do it o- often, but I've been trying to do it more. It's like it goes such a long way. Even making cards, I've been doing that a lot in the last year or two.

Instead of buying a card, who wants to buy a card anyway? It's like, I'm gonna spend eight bucks on a- Yeah ... piece of paper with a stupid phrase on it? Like, make a card. So, like, I've made cards for my parents for, like, Father's Day, Mother's Day, birthday cards. And,

like,

people love them- Yeah ... way more than a store-bought card.

Yep. 'Cause you can make it about them. Like- Yep ... I mean, for Sarah's birthday last year, I got her a monstera plant, and I ha-

260429_0103_4: I ha-

Wade: I made some pun about,

like,

I'm... Like, "You're so beautiful I'm gonna mons-stare at you," or something like [00:26:00] that. And it's, like, really dumb, and it would be dumb if you bought that, but, like, I made it, so it's not dumb.

It's original. Uh, it's original and, and it was specific to her 'cause I knew she wanted a monstera plant, and so I got her a... made her a card. And then, uh, but my sister, she does the same thing. Like, she just made me a card for my birthday, and it was, uh, a Venn diagram of traits about me and traits about Odysseus.

Oh, nice. 'Cause I'm a classics nerd, and she knows I'm excited to go see the new Odyssey movie this summer. Yep. And so she got me tickets to go to the movie, which is awesome. And, and that's a good example of, like, doesn't take a lot. She didn't spend $1,000 on me, but she was thoughtful in that. And the card went a long way.

It was hilarious. Yeah. Like, it was just a piece of paper folded in half twice with some drawing on it, but, you

know,

it was so funny and original.

Arguably, The thought ...I think it takes

more. Yeah?

Because there's intentionality, and there's also

risk. [00:27:00] Yeah.

That's, that's important. Putting, putting yourself out there a little bit.

Yeah. Yeah. The risk of,

like,

what if they don't like them? It's true.

And I think, uh,

260429_0103_4: I

Wade: I think that's probably, like, a big

component is, like, we all stay,

stay in a safe

zone in a friendship. Yeah.

It's what feels

safe and comfortable. Yep.

And

I think-

260429_0103_4: um- Uh, like one thing,

Wade: like you said,

like

do what you're gonna say

you do, like commitment. Yeah. Like I think loyalty and friendship is like willing to be inconvenienced for the other person. Yeah.

that means, like, showing

up, it

means following through,

and it means like if you make plans, you keep to it.

And,

um- Flakiness or- Oh my gosh, flakiness.

It's like people

all the

time, and I, I know I'm, I can do this. Yep. As guilty as any. Yep

260429_0103_4: We, like pull on

Wade: the equity we have with

260429_0103_4: people to do the thing, like [00:28:00] whatever

Wade: it would be. To be flaky and to do something different

instead

of just showing up

in the little ways. Like the

things that's

like, "It's not

a big deal if I don't show up for this thing."

Well,

no, it probably isn't the

end of the world if you don't show up for this thing, or flake, or change the time or schedule.

Mm-hmm. But it is, it in- it's like it pulls on that equity, and that trust,

and that

reliability. It adds up.

It adds

up. It compounds, yeah. It compounds. And

260429_0103_4: Yeah. Compounds.

Wade: those are the little things to go back to. It's

like that little thing, just show up when

you say you're gonna show up. Yeah.

Be there. Initiate. Put the thought into

a card.

260429_0103_4: And

Wade: little

things actually in some ways can be a lot. It's like you gotta actually know the person

260429_0103_4: And, um, I mean, that's,

Wade: That Venn diagram is super

260429_0103_4: cool. Um, and to know,

Wade: like that took a lot of knowing you, and a lot of

risk. Yeah.

And I think that's the other thing,

is I don't think we risk in relationships anymore.

260429_0103_4: We don't take

Wade: We don't take risks. We stay safe.

And I appreciate-

260429_0103_4: um, when

Wade: My friends are willing to say hard [00:29:00] things. It's a risk Yeah

260429_0103_4: And, um, shout

Wade: out to my buddy Benny Welch, who, like a year ago, I've always struggled with like

quiet times. Oh, yeah. Doing,

260429_0103_4: like

Wade: my quiet times with the Lord, having consistency in that. And

there was a time where I

was just kind of like, some things that were hard in life,

and I was just

kind of processing with

him.

He's like, "How's your quiet times?" I'm like... And I'm just like, "I appreciate that

you just asked that." Yeah. Most guys don't ask that. No.

They just go, "Are you good?" Yeah.

And if you're not, like it's not

my place." Yeah.

But he's like, "No, I care about you, so I'm gonna ask. How's your quiet

times?" Yeah.

Like, one, that's awesome.

Thanks, dude.

"How's your quiet times?" And I'm like, "Eh," and I've always, I always kind of struggle with that. He said, "So how so how's your quiet times?" "Oh, they're not great."

Yeah. And he's like, "Okay. What's it gonna take to get them going

there?"

And he's like, "I'll do it with

you. We'll

text each other every

day."

Like let's

get up early. We don't have

to necessarily

do it at the same time, but we're gonna text each other every day when it's time. And

we did that for

months. Mm-hmm. Ever since [00:30:00] that, my quiet times have been, like, ongoing. Accountability.

he did that

he did that with me until he's

like, "You just, I'll do it with you

until you, until your, you tell me when to stop, or we can do it forever."

That's awesome. And one, that he asked the question, two, that he'd be

inconvenienced enough that he now has to have

the mental energy

to make sure he's texting, and

he's

doing it, too.

Yeah. And we're doing it together. And I'm

like, I don't think it's earth-shattering. I don't-

260429_0103_4: but it was a big deal. And it's like, and it was risky. Yeah.

Wade: Yeah.

I could have been

like,

I've, that wa- it was uncomfortable, so much so that I could've been like, "I'm gonna pull

away." Like, "Yeah, we'll hang out

sometime then." Yeah. I won't, like...

Yeah, Yeah. like don't..." like,

260429_0103_4: It,

Wade: I, that could, I think

some

people will respond that way, that it's like,

I don't want a friend that's gonna challenge me.

Yeah.

'Cause a lot of people don't wanna be challenged. So it was a risk on his

end, and I am just so grateful that he chose to risk. Yep. And- Um.

I get it ... I just so appreciate.

Wait, it's taking a picture or a video?

It's a video?

He's doing a video.

260429_0103_4: He's doing a [00:31:00] video during a video.

Wade: Yeah. Video during a video.

Yeah, there's those friends that I've experienced in my life that I've said something hard to 'cause I thought- Yeah

we had a relationship up to that point. Like, "Hey, man, I really care about you, so this isn't gonna be easy to hear." Yeah. And then you don't hear from them again. And it's, that's the end. Yeah. And there's, and- It doesn't go well ... I'm sure there's been examples of that in my life, too, is I think like,

260429_0103_4: "Ah,

Wade: I didn't really like that, so I'm gonna avoid."

Yeah. And it's so much easier to avoid. Yeah. And it's easier in the moment, and I think going back to the, the Men of Gondor, it's easier in the moment to just like, "Ah, one day goes by, I don't beat back the orc horde or whatever." Yeah. Like- Yeah ... you're fine, but, like, you do that every day for a long time- Yeah

it becomes part of your routine. Absolutely.

260429_0103_4: Absolutely

Wade: Uh, yeah. It, things become bigger than they are. Yeah. I mean, I have a friend in my life like that, too, [00:32:00] Kellan. What's up, Kellan? Um, there's little things that we've held each other accountable on that, uh, we've done for each other in the same sort of way. It's like getting off our phones, uh, eating healthy, getting to the gym.

You know, things for our brains,

260429_0103_4: like

Wade: that, uh, it's not easy to do that. It's not fun to be like, "Hey, man, did you do your workout today? Whatever." Uh, or like, it's not fun to do that in the moment, but then once you do... And leading up to it. Like, always the lead-up is always the like- Yeah ... "I don't know. Should I?

He's probably fine. I don't know." But then you do it, and it's like, "Oh, thank you," like, "I needed that." Yeah. And, and more often than not, when you just make a phone call or a text or whatever,

I mean, you

hear that more often than not. "Oh, I needed that. Thank you." You know? Yeah. And I know I need that.

260429_0103_4: I think one of the [00:33:00] One of the things I've thought about over the past number of years is How, excuse me, technology, which I'm incredibly grateful for, as it has advanced, has made relationships disposable. Yeah. Because you can be friends with anyone, in many different ways. And so I think we all are truly seeking, like we want depth, we want good friends, we want people to know us. But it can be really uncomfortable. A- and instead of pressing through that discomfort of like challenged even just differences- Yeah ... like if your friend's a little bit different than you Not that long ago, we were all like, you couldn't really travel [00:34:00] anywhere. You didn't travel anywhere. We didn't have technology where we could talk to anyone anywhere.

The people you had was the people you lived around. You went to the church around the corner. You had your family where you are. you moved at some point. Same, like

Wade: Clerk at the grocery store you always go to, whatever?

Yeah

260429_0103_4: had your people. Yeah. And they were there, and those were your people. And if you didn't make it work with them, well,

Wade: that's it.

That's what, yeah

260429_0103_4: you have. And now there are some downsides to that because

Wade: downsides to that 'cause

sometimes the people you get around,

it's like- Yeah

it is helpful to,

to

have the freedom

and opportunity to

find other

people

260429_0103_4: And I'm not necessarily

Wade: necessarily even, you know, dogging on that

altogether

because there are some really good things about that you can

do. You can find

other people. One of

my

best friends, uh, has never lived near me,

and he lives in

Tennessee. Yep. And we talk almost every week,

and I'm really grateful for that relationship, we met

virtually, and it's, um, it's a great thing, and we're really close. So [00:35:00] that's possible

because of technology.

But then there's also the downside, the double-edged sword, is that with that comes this idea that well, no relationship

260429_0103_4: becomes more

Wade: more challenging or uncomfortable or not what you want it to be, you can just move on.

Yeah. It's disposable 'cause I can get a new one.

and I

think that is just-

260429_0103_4: a, um, horrible thought to even think about that it's like, "Oh, let's just move..."

And I know Kristen and I have, we have felt that in relationships. It's like, oh, we're just, not that important to you because you can just go get someone else if, if this is not... And then you don't do the hard things like have a hard conversation, keep someone accountable, let them keep you accountable, up in the little moments it maybe doesn't matter that much because if it doesn't end up panning out, you go find another friend.

Get another friend. Yeah. There's a lot of options for friends.

Wade: Dating apps are another big one. I don't wanna dog on them too hard, but I mean, [00:36:00] there are guys I knew in college that would just be miserable on these dating apps 'cause it's like you can always just find another, you know, more attractive person, better person- Yeah ... whatever. Go find-

260429_0103_4: Go find-

another one. Yeah. And while there is some truth that if a relationship

Wade: What was that?

260429_0103_4: you're not alone, 'cause there are other people that will... You know, I think that's a great thing, too. Yeah. And, um-

Wade: It's not over,

right? It's not over. Your life's not over

260429_0103_4: life's not over. You can find other people. Um, that as a fallback I think has created some really, um, unfortunate patterns in how we operate as humankind. And then we don't stick through what I think is meant to be stuck through. the reality is, is I think the best relationships are the ones that have gone through those types of things. Yeah. And I know I appreciate that. some times where I can be really unpleasant. And I appreciate when people [00:37:00] stick it out with me and either call me out or they're just patient for me to get my crap together and figure it out.

Yeah. And, um, that's a beautiful thing, and I think that's important. Yeah. I think we already know that too

Wade: conflict, I mean, when you can overcome things like that, make the relationship stronger and better. Absolutely. I mean, your spouse or significant other, like- Yep ... the,

260429_0103_4: Yep the, the challenges

Wade: that we've gone through and overcome have made us stronger for it. And, and that's not to say that that was easy, definitely not, any of those things, but they do make it better.

I mean, it's like the hotter the fire, the purer the gold. It's a little cliche, but I mean, it's true. Like, going through those things make you stronger. Better at communication, trust, uh, sticking it out, like com- and having that loyalty, going back to that, like, uh, that goes a long way for people, for me, for sure[00:38:00]

260429_0103_4: Yeah. And I think that's

Wade: a lot

of what

life really comes

back down to

260429_0103_4: is relationships. And it can be so easy to focus on building other things or focusing on yourself instead of the little things that are gonna move, that are gonna matter in those relationships us, and being reliable Keeps the evil at bay. Loyalty So I'd like to talk

Wade: Let's talk some more practical steps. I

mean,

one phrase that came to mind to me earlier that I didn't mention, but maybe it can kinda spur the conversation is, um, you know, what are some practical things we can do to, to pursue that? And one thing I've heard is, uh, like we talked about, like taking care of your house, uh, like how you keep up on that.

Like, don't put it down, put it away. Yeah. It's, like, so simple, but it's like, don't put it on the [00:39:00] table. Put it where it's supposed to go. Put it in the closet or the, you know, the cupboard, whatever. Don't put it down, put it away. It's like, kinda like your, your... If it's less than 10 minutes, just do it.

Yep.

'Cause those little things add up, and- Yeah ... I, I can be like a, a pack rat. Like, I'm an organized pack rat. Like, I organize stuff, but I don't get rid of stuff. I don't- Yeah ... uh, you know, I keep it. So it's like I have my little places that I, like, collect stuff, stack them, and all that. But... And so for me, it's

like,

it's so easy to just put things off and like, "Oh, I'll, I'll spend a lot of time really cleaning that room up later," instead of like, "Well, I can just put one thing away," or just instead of putting my jacket on the chair, I can hang it in the closet.

Like, it'd take two seconds, and there is a little bit of resistance to that, and that's why I don't wanna do it. But they, [00:40:00] uh, they add up. And

so, and, and

the... Have you found that, like, the more you overcome that little resistance, like, it becomes easier, like even your to-do list?

Oh, yeah.

I think the more-

260429_0103_4: I mean, there's a

Wade: a lot of respect

260429_0103_4: I think it can be so daunting

Wade: all that you

have to do, and that's a form of resistance.

Yep. I think

sometimes

those tasks

260429_0103_4: can feel resistance in

Wade: I feel the resistance in it. I know for me there's

certain tasks that I'm not actually sure

260429_0103_4: what

Wade: I'm doing. And so if

I don't know what

I'm doing, then I like

don't wanna do

it. Yeah. It's intimidating.

Um,

or if it's something I've never

done before,

I've been trying to do more things around the house that I've never done before that's just kinda fixing things up, and that can feel uncomfortable and s- my insecurities come out.

And so then I avoid it.

Yep

260429_0103_4: And, um, so there

Wade: There can just be all kinds of, yeah, insecurities that can [00:41:00] come up. And the more you just lean into those things, the more capable you

feel. So absolutely,

I think the resistance goes away

260429_0103_4: And, um-

Wade: And you get better at it

and then you get better

at it. Yeah.

And you also, like, sometimes it

doesn't go well. Yeah. And you,

like, survive, and you realize, "Oh, that

didn't kill me.

I'm not

dead." Yeah.

try again next week or tomorrow,

whatever.

I think the things that I've

been

trying, if

I could boil it down to a few things, is one, yeah, if it takes- take very long, just do it.

Get it done

260429_0103_4: Five

Wade: 10

minutes

260429_0103_4: just do it. If...

Wade: And I think that's helped

a lot, just like a lot of things that I would like to-do list, I just like, "I'm gonna take care of this right now." Yeah.

260429_0103_4: Um, um, progress,

Wade: Just like, just keeping progress at the front,

not finishing, progress. Yeah.

It can be so

easy to be like finishing [00:42:00] oriented. Yep. I have to finish, I have to arrive, I have to get it done, as opposed to- If I don't finish it, it's a failure. Exactly. As opposed to like

little by

little by little. Yep. And that's,

you know, you don't boil the o- you can't boil the

ocean.

You don't eat an elephant a day. It's little bites, and that's the little ordinary acts. Yeah. So it's like how do I make prog- progress? How do I do the little bit? And if I can just do a little bit today,

then that, that's a win. That, see that as success.

And then I

think sustainability, which is what we even initially talked

about with the podcast,

260429_0103_4: is, when it feels

Wade: It's like

there's a lot to do

and it's

overwhelming

260429_0103_4: you burn yourself out, you don't, then you

Wade: Have big chunks that's inconsistent. Don't do it. Yeah

260429_0103_4: And

Wade: so how do

you do just little bits that, one, keep

the ball moving forward,

260429_0103_4: and two, keep you sustainable so that you can keep doing it tomorrow too? And, you know, and, uh,

Wade: lackiness has become a big reality in my

life that

[00:43:00] having five kids, uh,

260429_0103_4: uh,

Wade: multiple businesses that I'm juggling,

260429_0103_4: um, s- you know, stuff at the

Wade: house, and

just normal things in life that can pile up,

Uh, it can be easy to just

like

go, go, go, go

and it not be sustainable. And then you do these like spurts, and I'm a spurt, I've

been a spurt type of

guy.

Sure. And, um,

that's just not

effective.

And so how do you do little things

every day?

260429_0103_4: that are gonna move the ball forward has been kind of that shift, and I think those are the things that I'm focusing on is if it's a little task, just

Wade: Just kidding, huh?

260429_0103_4: And, um, and if it needs to

Wade: But now,

get it,

get it done.

Yeah.

Uh, because it will become a drag and it will become an issue. and It will

persist

260429_0103_4: Um, and that, that, that has just been such a mental thing to overcome as in like my own insecurities, um, in a lot of that. And, um, just seeing progress and how do I keep it sustainable [00:44:00] and make sure I'm taking care of myself, resting, also having fun. Fun is a ordinary act that keeps evil at bay Absolutely. Laughter. Yeah. Dancing. Yeah. dance a little bit. Yeah. Helps so much. Yep. Such a big deal. Um, I recently edited a project where a guy talked about how, um, like the first thing in a genocide is taking games away, and that guy just hit me. I was like, "Wow."

Like, it's like if you wanna dehumanize a culture, you take away fun. Yeah. 'Cause I think fun is such a human component that is so oftentimes overlooked, and- Awesome ... There's a, there's a bird. Oh, uh, it's a bird, Mother. Uh, if you know that quote, I'll, I'll buy you a coffee Um[00:45:00]

Wade: Slight animal, uh- Tangent ... a tangent. I mean, one thing that comes to mind for me, it's probably a dumb example, but I do wanna have some practical examples, like tangible examples for me personally, is like I have a pair of Red Wing boots, and they're, they're not cheap boots. I g- I got them as a gift, uh, I think for graduation or...

Anyway, they, they're, they're expensive, they're nice, they're made out of vegetable tan leather, made in the USA. They're nice leather boots. And, uh, I pretty regularly, when I wear them a lot, especially in the winter and, like, fall, spring, is especially if it rains, you gotta clean them and oil them. And it's a little task, probably takes 10 minutes, but if you don't do it, they will fall apart.

Yeah. And they'll be ruined. Yeah. And,

260429_0103_4: like...

Wade: but that's one of the [00:46:00] coolest things about them, is that when you do take care of them, they last forever, and they get cooler as they last forever. Get

some patina. The patina on

them is- It's nice ...unreal. Wow. And they get more comfortable. It's like the longer you wear them, the more comfortable they get.

Usually, stuff breaks down and falls apart. Yep. Uh, they actually get more comfortable the longer you wear them. Wow. So that's just, like, a little example. It's like, it feels like, it can feel like, uh, just another to-do. "Oh, I gotta oil my boots." Like, oh my gosh. Yeah. But then it's like, it's a lot worse to buy a new pair- Oh, yeah

if they fall apart or get ruined. Yeah. And you know, that dragon, like, don't let, don't let that task become a dragon. It's like, I don't have to, like, go crazy. I don't do it every day. Yeah. But like, you know, consistently, I care about them. Like, they, I like them. And, and I know it's just an object, just a thing, but, um, also, the more I wear them, like, I wore them when I lived in New York.

It's like I wore them almost every [00:47:00] day. And so just thinking about, like, yeah, these are the boots that got me from my apartment in the Upper East Side to,

260429_0103_4: to

Wade: to Soho, to Dumbo, to all around the city and stuff like that. It's like,

you know, I,

I can be sentimental with objects, but there's something to that that's like investing in things and then taking care of them,

like,

is way more meaningful than just having them be disposable.

260429_0103_4: Yep. Absolutely. I think on the practical side of, like, relationships, one of the things I think... Uh, like, we've talked about this before, but don't say things you don't mean. It's like, if you don't plan on hanging out, just don't say it. You don't have to say it. You can enjoy people- Yeah ... and be like, "This is fun." it's like, I feel like we all have this, like, culture expectancy and maybe even a desire. Sometimes it just feels like I really wanna hang out with you. know in my head I- it's just pro- [00:48:00] I probably don't have time for it And you probably don't have time for me, and that's okay. Yeah. So don't say it 'cause it kinda feels good to say it in the moment.

Doesn't feel good to say that and then not follow through. No one likes that. It's actually even worse. Yeah. It's, like, actually pretty crappy. Um, and don't, don't say things don't, you don't mean, and take a risk to initiate. Initiate something. Yeah. And, uh, I think sometimes it can be easy to just wait for other people to be what you want them to be.

It's like, if you want s- a certain type of relationship or a friendship, build it. Yeah. Create it. Create space for it. Initiate. Say a hard thing. Ask for it. Like, I think even in, like, friendships, in any kind of relationship, there's a bit of a, like, a DTR that needs to happen, I think even with just, like, general friendships.

DTR? Define the relationship. Sure. Yeah. That [00:49:00] doesn't happen. It's like

Wade: Nice acronym

260429_0103_4: with, with, like, your, your bros or your ladies that it's just, like, we all have the same idea of what a friendship is gonna g- play out to be, and it's like, no, let's define it. Like, what, what does this look like? Like, "Hey, I want, you know, I want to hang out this much, and I wanna have hard conversations, and I wanna talk about hard things," or, "I wanna have more fun."

Like, "Do you wanna hang out?" That feels so awkward to say out loud to someone, but it's like, it's important. I've had those types of conversations with my close friends that it's just like, "This is what I'm looking for in a friendship. Can we do these things? Like, I'd like to have more fun. Can we do that? Um, can you say hard things to me? here's exactly what I'm needing in this." It's a bit of a define the relationship, and it can feel so awkward 'cause they can say no. Yeah. Um, or they just think you're crazy 'cause you're trying to define the relationship.

Wade: Who does he think he is? Yeah It's like,

wow, who is this that he says these

[00:50:00] things?" But the people that those relationships matter most are typically the ones that appreciate that- Yep ... and will respond well to that. Yeah

260429_0103_4: well to that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

Wade: Set expectations or unfair expectations. Yep. Yep

260429_0103_4: And guaranteed, if you want it, someone else does, too. So- Yeah I think, uh, I've always had this thought that it's

Wade: It's like I'm feeling lonely, I bet someone else is feeling lonely,

too

260429_0103_4: Can't be the only one experiencing what I'm

Wade: And that's the only one

260429_0103_4: And oftentimes, the people

Wade: that create the most meaningful things like that

260429_0103_4: are the ones who needed it, and then it just became that for multiple people.

Wade: It's authentic. Yeah. Yeah

260429_0103_4: All from Lord of the Rings Lord of the Rings,

Wade: Rings, man

260429_0103_4: Thanks J.R.R. Tolkien

Wade: it talking All right, let's [00:51:00] talk about the seasons

seasons

And then, uh, talk about the podcast.

I love spring and fall

Dude, fall, best season. I know.

Fall's great. There's something... I love summer. Yeah. And summer in Montana is, like, some of the best summer in the world, I'd argue. But, uh, there's something about that, like, first morning that's a little bit cooler- Sure

and you can just feel- Yeah ... like, the pace slows down

260429_0103_4: Pace slows down. The leaves

Wade: Fall is

magical, the colors, the smells. Starting to do soups again. Sure. Like, get soup in the fall. Oh, Oh, fire's outside. Say less. You get to harvest your apples off your apple tree. Walk outside, just grab it and eat

it. Oh, yeah

260429_0103_4: Yeah, it's

Wade: great. Seasons in our podcast though, That's what I'm guessing

what you were getting after. Yep.

260429_0103_4: Cool.

Wade: Cool. question.

Hey, I'll talk about soup, though. Yes. If you want.

So we

have- Hey, wait, top [00:52:00] three soups.

So- Top three soups?

Yeah. Oh, dude, that's tough

260429_0103_4: Um-

Wade: In no particular order

I gotta think about

it ... baked potato with bacon Baked potato, yeah Uh, green chili verde pozole Yeah, that's fantastic Pho What? Pho?

Pho. Oh, you know, I didn't even think of pho Oh, I didn't say ramen.

260429_0103_4: F-

Wade: Top four. You can't change the order. I'm gonna change, I'm changing my rules. Sorry.

I made them.

Wait, has five soups in his top three.

260429_0103_4: Which

Wade: five soups are in your top three? Yeah.

260429_0103_4: I

Wade: I love a good red chili. Ooh Like, just like a beef like, I

know that's just like- Beef

chili ...a classic, but Kristen

Little Tabasco in there

260429_0103_4: Well, did my mom go in there? ... an amazing just

Wade: chili soup. So

does my mom's, yeah So good.

Little bit of honey

in there. Ooh. Like sweet.

Sweet. some, uh, some, uh, sweet potatoes.[00:53:00]

Yum. Peppers.

Oh. My mom's chili- Wonderful ... uh, the secret ingredient that makes it sweet, which she's okay with me sharing, but- It's

not a secret anymore. It's not a secret anymore Oh, Uh, sweet, like bread and butter pickle liquid. What is it? Like, uh, you know, like bread and butter pickles? No.

260429_0103_4: It's

Wade: sweet pickles. Oh,

okay.

I've had a- I think they're called bread and

butter ... okay, so it's a type of pickle,

yeah. Uh, maybe that's the wrong phrase, but anyway, uh, sweet pickle

juice. Your mom is gonna... She's like, "You butchered it, like-" Yeah, I probably did. But,

um- I gotta share my secret, get it

right." I, it was her grandma's recipe, I think. Okay. But, uh, yes, the s- the, the liquid from sweet pickles

260429_0103_4: Oh, and that makes it sweet.

Wade: Also got some- acid in there, too ... it's got some acid. Which they say is

a good thing.

You want salt, fat, acid, and heat, They do say that That's what they say.

260429_0103_4: Did they say that? That's what they

Wade: Get that acid in

there

260429_0103_4: Um, all that acid.

Wade: Kick acid. [00:54:00] That's a kick acid soup,

Sam

260429_0103_4: Uh I

Wade: say my favorite side dish is- Okay. Oh, you haven't said

your soup yet ...Red chili. I know.

I, I, I don't wanna get

this wrong.

Okay, so part of the hard part, I'll just put this out there, this is TMI, but we're going there,

getting in the weeds. Um- We're always getting in the weeds with Sam ... my,

my, Yeah, I'm either in the weeds, like real close, or I'm at 30,000 feet. There's

a lot, a lot going on

in the middle

260429_0103_4: Um, I-

Wade: my diet

has changed. So some of my top

soups would also might

not be like what I can eat.

Like a potato soup probably

still is one of my favorite soups. I

260429_0103_4: can't eat it.

Like, usually it's got

Wade: just can't eat it because it usually has got a cream in it- Sure ... so I can't do that. So if we're talking, talking about what I

can eat,

I would say,

260429_0103_4: um, like a

Wade: A chili. Yeah, like a pho- Yep ... slash ramen. Yep. even though they're kinda different but kind of in the same category. [00:55:00] And then I would say they're different. Yeah, they're different.

So I'm gonna... I'll do four as well. Pho and ramen, and then also, uh, my wife

260429_0103_4: makes an amazing, uh, pumpkin soup.

Wade: Oh, like a bisque

260429_0103_4: Yeah. It's incredible. And sometimes

Wade: She's put, uh, potatoes in it, which kind of has a slightly

bitter now, like potato pumpkin. But it's like, so I don't know, it's a pumpkin-

260429_0103_4: soup?

Is it potato soup? I don't know. It's just great, and I like it, so I eat it. Um, it's fantastic

Wade: Um, I just thought of another soup, but now I forgot. Tomato basil? Another great soup. It's a classic.

It's a classic. Ah, man. I'm not a tomato guy.

but I know it's a classic. I don't

like tomato soup. I love tomato basil. Ah. More like, uh, creamy than, like, liquidy

260429_0103_4: Yeah. I love s-

Wade: oh, and honestly,

like

j- just

a classic chicken noodle.

Chicken noodle. Can't go wrong.

We have leftover...

we made some- Sourdough?

260429_0103_4: Sourdough ... beef [00:56:00]

Wade: beef broth.

260429_0103_4: Oh, sourdough's good.

Wade: Oh, sour- Sourdough, noodles ...beef broth from a, not beef, a bone broth from our turkey-

Yep. Oh,

yeah ... from Thanksgiving. Dude. Making our homemade bone broth, And I say

we,

but it was Kristin.

Kristin made it. Kristin made it.

And you got to enjoy it.

I got to enjoy it. And now bone broth.

260429_0103_4: broth.

Wade: Dude. Turkey bone broth. Homemade bone broth. And then you make a, uh, noodle-

260429_0103_4: soup with that. Oh my gosh. All

Wade: all the ramen- I make is with homemade chicken bone broth Yeah, dude.

from like a chicken I bake. It's so, it's so worth it. Yeah. Tastes so much better. It's also, like, so cheap. Yeah. Like a, like a carton of broth at the store is so expensive for what it is. Oh, yeah. So you just boil it-

Just vegetables

just vegetables and spices. Veggies and bones. It's like a nickel's worth of ingredients- Yeah ... to, like, make, like, two gallons of it.

Yep. So we're doing seasons with our

podcast. If you

care to I hope you enjoyed that food tangent. Our, Our podcast- [00:57:00] That food, food's good ... hey, uh, let us know if you want us to talk about soup more

often. Yeah. We probably should. love soup. Love food. My wife's a good cook. His wife's a good cook, so.

Well. love

it. Um. Sarah wouldn't, uh, Sarah wouldn't call herself that, but she is good. I do more of

the cooking in my house. she doesn't love

it as much as you. She is good. Yeah. She doesn't like it. That's all right.

260429_0103_4: right. Um- We are ending season one. This has been a fantastic

Wade: season.

260429_0103_4: We didn't go into this

Wade: the idea of it

260429_0103_4: seasons, but see that

Wade: as a great way to offer sustainability as well as offer,

um, yeah, certain

themes

and pushes Intentionality around it. Intentionality. Yeah.

And so,

260429_0103_4: um, we are

Wade: we are still working on what season two will look

like. Um,

but we

are, um,

expect-

260429_0103_4: to begin filming that soon, and then we'll be able to give some more, uh, [00:58:00] information and a little bit of

Wade: what that will look like. We're super excited. We have a lot of people that we've talked

to

from a guest standpoint and are really excited to, um, dive into some of those conversations and continue exploring what it looks like to invest in the

unseen

260429_0103_4: Um, to, uh, invest

Wade: and make time for an intentionality around the little

things

that make a huge

260429_0103_4: huge impact over time, really

Wade: what we're gonna

learn. Uh,

like I said, we're not coming at this

'cause we're subject matter experts. We just

believe in it and are passionate about

it, so

hoping and expecting that we're gonna... it'll have an impact on our life as well.

And- So season two is coming your way.

and how that actually plays

out is instead of just an episode, you know, on a regular schedule for indefinitely, um, it'll look more like, you know, between 8 to 10 or somewhere around there episodes that will release, [00:59:00] um, on a schedule, but then there will be breaks in between seasons.

The

breaks in between seasons allow us to craft and have some time off to, uh,

260429_0103_4: think

Wade: about what that next season looks like. And if you have any thoughts or questions, anything you'd like to see or hear, any person you'd like to hear from, we are always open and love feedback, and any thoughts and re- requests that you

have.

Maybe it's that you wanna hear

more soup. more than likely it's that you wanna hear less about soup. Yeah, Probably. And that's fine. You won't offend us.

And

I can't promise we'll comply, but

260429_0103_4: uh, let

Wade: Let us know anything that you're open to hear, and we always love hearing, too, what are, what are the little ordinary things that you're doing that make a big difference, and what are you learning, what are the big impacts that are coming, um, to your mind when you hear us

talk[01:00:00]

260429_0103_4: I think these

Wade: These conversations

sometime allow a little bit of illumination on things that are at the surf-

surface of your mind, maybe you've been thinking about but haven't crystallized. It gives an opportunity for that, so

we'd love to hear any of that that's happening in your world, and thanks again for listening.

We are always very

honored, um

260429_0103_4: when anyone will choose to

Wade: their time

to listen to what we have to say.

260429_0103_4: what we have to say.

Wade: Yeah. Remember, anything worth building takes time. And, uh, we're excited to take the time to build this podcast to be what we hope it to be and what we hope, uh, people can experience. And we're excited to release season two soon. Season

260429_0103_4: and we're

Wade: two coming soon

260429_0103_4: The end

Wade: The outro music

260429_0103_4: dun, dun, dun. I don't know if that's right. Should work.

Wade: a little bit there, I was like, [01:01:00] "There's gonna be a big sign that says Bozeman, right?" Like, yeah, there

260429_0103_4: Oh, yeah. You have to

Wade: is. Oh, yeah. You have to hit the stop button