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In this episode, I had the pleasure of speaking with Lisa Goldberg, a nutritionist and weight loss coach, about the importance of mindset in achieving sustainable weight loss and creating new patterns.
Lisa shared her personal journey from struggling with weight gain in college to becoming a nutritionist, and how her approach to weight loss has evolved over the years.
Key Topics Discussed
Lisa shared her personal journey from struggling with weight gain in college to becoming a nutritionist, and how her approach to weight loss has evolved over the years.
Key Topics Discussed
- The role of mindset in weight loss and creating new patterns
- Mindful eating and emotional eating
- Challenging black and white thinking and perfectionism
- Recognizing and changing self-sabotaging thoughts
- Changing mindset and creating new patterns
- Finding satisfaction and contentment in our bodies
- Shifting the perception of food and indulgence
- Understanding emotional eating patterns in men
- Breaking generational patterns and fostering a healthy relationship with food
- Recognizing and changing conditioned patterns
- Identifying true hunger and the importance of support and strategies
- Empowering individuals to change beliefs and behavior
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Welcome back to the inspired
living with autoimmunity podcast.
I'm your host, Julie Michelson.
And today we're joined by Lisa Goldberg,
nutritionist and weight loss coach,
and also the author of Food Fight:
Winning The Battle With Food And Eating
To Achieve Sustainable Weight Loss.
In today's conversation we're focusing
on identifying and shifting your
mindset to create new patterns
to sustain lifelong change.
Even if you don't have extra weight
to lose, listen in to learn about
how we can shift the patterns
that may be holding us back.
Lisa, welcome to the podcast.
Well, thank you.
I'm so excited to be here and have
this conversation with you today.
I am beyond excited for our conversation.
But I always love mostly because
I'm curious, I love to find out
a little bit about your story.
Because.
I always find it fascinating
where life takes us.
And so how did you become focused on
this and, and create this approach
that I'm guessing when you started
was a different kind of approach?
Oh, yeah, 100%.
So my story started really as a
freshman in college, as did so
many women's stories start and
their struggle with their weight.
So, you know, got up to school.
And what does any young freshman
do is you go out too much.
And also eating at two o'clock in
the morning after you get in was
all new to me and sitting in the
dining hall for hours and thinking
granola was healthy was new to me.
And they had my kryptonite,
right, which was brownies, and
I can have as many as I wanted.
So therefore I did.
And it was just a whole
different way of eating.
And truthfully, in two months of
being up at school, I literally
gained like the 15 to 20 pounds.
,
I remember getting off the plane
for Thanksgiving and my mom
picking me up and I, you know,
and she couldn't help herself.
She literally looked at me
because I wasn't the kid that
she dropped off and she was like,
what the hell happened to you?
Right?
Cause I looked completely different
and, you know, that's kind of
where it all started for me.
So right then and there, I was Down in
Florida with my parents for Thanksgiving,
and I went on a diet, I mean, I ate
no bread, I ate no butter, all of
my salads had lemons, fresh squeezed
lemon, all of my chicken and my fish
was grilled plain, right, and so, and
it was just kind of like, that's where
I started to diet and eating that way.
Did I lose the weight?
I sure did.
But then of course, when I got
back to school, I went right
back into what I was doing.
So the weight came back and then I
discovered the Cambridge diet, right?
The powder in the can.
And, you know, so needless to say, I spent
about 10 years yo yo dieting and Wallace.
By the end of my career at school
as a senior, I had lost the weight.
Then I moved into Manhattan, had
two roommates, and a different
cycle started again, right?
Being out every night, eating
too much, eating late at night.
Every Sunday was Chinese food
and, you know, Haagen Dazs,
and every Monday was the diet.
So, you know, for me, it kind
of went on for about 10 years.
And quite honestly, I thought about
majoring in nutrition while I was
at Syracuse, but I was a, you know,
liberal arts major and my roommate was
a, uh, studying to be a nutritionist
and like organic chemistry,
biochemistry, and I'll just major,
I'll just major in something else.
So long story short, ultimately, I spent
eight years, in a completely different
industry and, over those years just
gained and lost the same amount of weight.
Became a personal trainer and while I
was a personal trainer, decided to go
back for my master's degree in nutrition.
And, you know, when you go for, and
you get masters, you learn about
protein, fat, carbs, and calories.
So when I first started coaching
or counseling my clients, um, It
was really about the diet, right?
And protein fats and carbs and calories.
But what I noticed, and here's the
thing, what I noticed, almost every
single one of my clients, men and
women, would ask me at the end,
well, what can I have after dinner?
And I was like, but you just ate dinner.
How is it that you're hungry?
Right.
Why do you need
missing from dinner that you
I wasn't really fully understanding.
Like, why do you need something more?
But so many people ask me
that same question that I'm
like, there's something here.
And that's when I decided to explore
mindful eating, emotional eating.
. I'd really started to take my
work in a different direction.
And what I recognized is so many
people knew how to lose weight, but
they all lost it in a way that was
not sustainable for the long run.
So I finally decided that I
was going to teach because I
kind of learned it for myself.
Right, how to create the balance.
So I lost those 20 pounds probably
Somewhere around 29 or 30 and I'm now 59.
So I lost those pounds for the last time
and I've kept it off Because it's my way
of thinking because here's the thing I
never forget how miserable I felt In my
clothes, in my body, not going out with
my roommates because I just felt terrible.
And I was just like, it put
me in such a bad mood that it
was not worth even going out.
So I stay connected to that.
And that's a lot of what I teach
my clients when I work with them.
To not disconnect from where they
were, but also to teach them how to
eat in the life that they live without
the restriction and the deprivation.
Because I believe how you eat to
lose the weight is how you have to
stay eating to keep the weight off.
So if you're somebody who thinks
about keto or intimate fasting
or paleo or whatever it is.
If you can't do that for the rest of your
life, my suggestion is to find a way or a
way of being around food and eating where
you could lose the weight, you don't feel
restricted and deprived, and you can.
And a lot of that is about
changing how you think.
So you can change because
your, your behaviors will
always follow your thoughts.
Right.
Your actions, follow your thoughts.
Everything you do starts with a thought.
And most of the people that I work
with have what I call the dieters
mentality or the dieters mindset.
They have a very black and
white way of thinking that
keeps them yo yo dieting, right?
That keeps the perpetual losing
the weight, regaining the weight.
And so what I mean by
that is I was good today.
So therefore I get to treat
myself to X or I blew it earlier.
So I may as well
as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or you step on the scale and it doesn't
do exactly what you expected it to do.
And the voice in your
head says, what's the use?
What's the point?
Exactly.
Why?
Do you find I'm totally pulling
this out of just my experience
with my clients is some of that by
that, not some of it, all of it.
Um, but it, it took me a long time
to recognize that thinking pattern.
Is a perfectionism, like if we can
and I like the black and white, right?
If we can start to live in the
gray, because my, my almost all
of my clients are in some way,
shape or form perfectionist is
how they got sick to begin with.
And that is exactly it.
Like, if I already blew
it, it's why bother?
It's always all or nothing.
We can't live.
All or nothing.
In any, it's not just diet.
Any of it.
It's the same, you know, all the
things, right, that the things
that are going to keep us well
and, and really living a full life.
We can't be all or nothing.
And so I love that you say that.
the truth is there's no
such thing as perfect.
What is perfect?
What does perfect look like?
I mean, there's really no perfect and
to expect yourself to eat perfectly.
I mean, what does that even mean?
If you think about it?
Right?
So, and what's so crazy if you
think, because I always say
the crazy happens in your head.
So let's just say for those who are
listening, and this is resonating with
you, your goal is to lose some weight.
And, you know, you start off your day
with an expectation of what, uh, what
you're eating is supposed to look like.
And then later in the
day, you have a cookie.
Right.
And you do think I blew it.
So instead of just eating one
or two cookies, you've eaten
the whole bag of cookies.
That doesn't even make sense.
So is eating one or two hundred
extra calories as bad as maybe a
thousand extra calories because
you've eaten the whole bag?
So, so here's the thing about
that perfectionist way of
thinking, the dieter's mindset.
It's illogical.
It's illogical.
It makes no sense.
And what's so interesting is, as I'm
coaching with the client, when they're
telling me what they're thinking,
they usually preface it with, I know
this sounds ridiculous, but, because
now the thought is coming out and
they're hearing it with their own ears.
And I think that the reason why so many
women get so frustrated and they blame
themselves is because they ignore the
inner lowing, that higher intelligence
that they have, because if they hear the
thoughts in their head, When it's in their
head, it makes complete sense somehow,
It's very convincing.
Yeah.
Or they don't even, I mean, I,
to me, what comes even before
that is they don't hear it.
They're not even conscious of
it, these patterns and drivers.
Um, and for some reason, at least
in the beginning of the work, the
voice is never getting, it's never
a supportive voice telling you to
make the right decision for yourself.
I call, I call that the rabbit hole voice.
So I, when I, when I do my
coaching, it's the rabbit hole
voice and the logical voice.
So the rabbit hole voice is the voice
that, you know, convinces you to do
all the things that you know better.
Your logical voice is always in there
saying, are you sure you want to do that?
But you do it anyway.
Until you power up your logical voice.
I'm going to give you an example.
So I was coaching with a client
yesterday and I'm teaching her
to raise the volume on listening.
To those self sabotage thoughts
on that rapid whole voice.
So she was with a friend on a
golf course and she told her
friend, you know what, I'm good.
I'm not that hungry right now.
I am going to wait to
go home and have lunch.
But her friend ordered this salad
with chicken salad on top of it.
And the person making that
was going to give her extra.
On top of it and not charge her
extra and my one of my client has
this thing with free food as to a
lot of people and her friend said,
no, no, no, I don't need more.
And here's the thought that
went through my client's head.
Oh, take it.
I'll eat it.
But the difference is she
heard the illogical thought.
She heard and she was like, Oh my
God, I can't believe I thought that.
But that's what she's listening for.
And she didn't act on it because she
knew she didn't even want that food.
But there was the perfect
situation that triggered her
Right.
to think that thought.
Right.
And, and fortunately she did,
you know what served her?
She waited until she got home and ate what
she wanted to eat when she was hungry.
Right.
But because she wasn't on autopilot
because you have her working on
listening and hearing and then, you
know, I, it's any awareness is always
the first step to change always.
a hundred percent.
Because we can't change what
we, what we're not aware of.
Right, right.
So, so it's so important.
So how do, how does one, I mean, we
did, I actually you just said, you
know, step one is the listening.
Right.
I mean, does it matter what the
story is, did, um, you know, guessing
you walk people through right.
Their evolution and it really almost
doesn't matter, you know, if it's
free food, if it's, I was sharing my
old, old patterns with, and I never,
I never was never a yo yo dieter, but
I got to watch one my entire life.
Um, and it does impact and I have a
daughter of two sons and a daughter
and my daughter is brilliant at.
Pointing out when I say things
about myself that she's like,
well, that's not helpful to me.
It's like, oh, thank you.
You know, again, we're all human, right?
I can help my clients day in and day out.
Be aware and create those mindset shifts
and, and change, make new patterns.
Um, but some of my old
patterns are still in there.
I mean, so the beauty about the way
you think is that you could change it.
But first you have to notice that
you, everybody has the ability to
change their mind and their thinking.
But like anything else,
it takes work and effort.
And more importantly, it takes practice
because anything we want to good at
become good at, we need to practice,
you know, so it doesn't really matter.
You know, I always say with my
clients, you know, how you're
Story started is different, but
the thinking is all the same.
Right.
Right?
So some people might have a
scarcity mindset where food was
scarce growing up, and they're
always afraid to be hungry, right?
Some people it's it's
it's a money connection.
I have a client that I worked with
where she always cleaned her plate.
Right, regardless of how full she was,
she always cleaned her plate because so
many of us are told that children are
starving somewhere on some continent,
Yeah.
waste food.
our age were definitely told that.
Yep.
So, um, you know, when I, you know,
getting connected to her hunger and
her satiety when she was eating,
she was, and we created a strategy.
She was out for dinner, she did what,
you know, she took the coaching, she put
her fork down, she was checking in with
herself, she pushed the plate forward,
she leaned back a little bit, and she
heard the thought, but I paid for it.
And that's how we got connected to, for
her, it was the cleaning of the plate was,
it's, I shouldn't waste my money, I don't
want to waste food, but I paid for it, so
this is how she was overfeeding her body.
Right.
Isn't that amazing?
Yeah, is.
I, I have, um, my partner, so kudos
to, to his parents, because I, I
just, it was a new thing for me.
We'll be eating dinner and he will,
often it's because I, I'm not a
member of the clean plate club.
Um, I was actually the
kid who I was skinny.
So to me, like skinny is a mean word
to call somebody because, you know,
come to find out that I was celiac, but
who knew I wasn't absorbing nutrients.
Um, I ate, I ate a lot as a kid.
Um, but it was like a real emotional
thing for people, you know,
that they wanted to see me eat.
I didn't have an eating disorder.
I just wasn't absorbing nutrients.
Um, but he says I'm satisfied,
not I'm full, right?
Like I grew up saying I'm
full, I'm full, I'm full.
And he's like, I'm satisfied.
And that was apparently
just how he was raised.
Um, and it's like, Oh my
gosh, that's beautiful.
I wish I had taught my kids that right.
It's there.
It shouldn't be like stuffed or empty.
You know, there is no, I'm satisfied.
Like, I love that.
Well, you know, part of part of it is and
that is and that's exactly and you know,
there's a couple things I want to say
that first it's everybody has different
messaging in their home growing up.
Sure.
So so many people who struggle with
their weight look at other people who
just put down their fork and they could
have a couple of bites of something
or maybe they have a couple of bites
of dessert and then they're perfectly
fine and they don't understand how
people do that because https: otter.
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Right.
So that your, your, your partner got
different messaging than somebody else.
Right.
Then, you know, you who you're,
if you're mommy or you're dieted,
um, do you know what I mean?
But it, but it's all it's, it's,
it's, it's, it's, and, and that's
how we continue to see things.
And what I've discovered in the work
that I do is so many people have lost
the connection between physical hunger.
And satiety, right?
So there's the emotional hunger.
There's habitual hunger, but
then there's physical hunger.
And if you're somebody who cleans
the plate, then your brain only
registers done when you're full, right?
Not satisfied, right?
We're satisfied.
I use the word content
with my clients, right?
Like I'm
Love it.
Yeah.
Exactly.
right now and I'm good.
Yeah.
People have to get reacquainted with what
satisfied and content is in their body.
So they no longer overfeed
their body, right?
So a lot of the work that I do is to
get my clients to eat when they're
hungry, stop when they're content
and, and, and not mindlessly eat.
You know, and I say, like, I don't care
if it's a bag of baby carrots, right?
If you eat a whole bag of baby
carrots, a binge is a binge, whether
It's like when, when all of the, the low
fat, you know, snack wells and all the,
you know, I can eat a whole box now.
And I'm like, wait, even, even back
then I knew that that didn't make sense.
Like, that's not,
Well, well, the truth is, you know,
a lot of people blame the part of
the obesity epidemic for the snack,
but the snack, well, cookies, they
that well,
took all the fat out
and added tons of sugar.
right, right.
Yeah, but I don't, I don't blame and
I actually, I do, I definitely think
what we're eating, you know, if we're
eating real food, or if we're eating
the ultra process stuff, absolutely
is part of what's driving not only
the obesity epidemic, the autoimmune.
I mean, all of it.
Um, but if we can't change the patterns.
It's, it's, we're never going to win even
with the, I mean, cause then people are
just shifting from processed food to real
food, but they're, they're still don't
have the tools to, to feed themselves.
Well.
Yeah, you know, so it's it's a
matter of and what I what I find is
especially people who struggle with
their weight, they put themselves
down, they have a way of speaking to
themselves that they wouldn't speak
to anybody else, nor would they allow
somebody to speak to them that way.
But themselves that way, and they put
themselves down and a lot of times it's
a self worth and self esteem issue.
And when it comes to lasting weight
loss, it's a lack of belief in yourself
because so many women, there's that
little voice inside that says, you're
not going to be able to really do it.
And so many women don't believe
because they work so hard at it that
it can actually happen for them.
And that belief leads
to the self sabotage.
So that's typically when you
talk about breaking patterns.
That's the first pattern that needs to
be broken is the belief system, right?
Because it's a limiting belief
and a limiting belief is, is
obviously just what it says.
It's something that limits you and your
brain believes what you tell it the most.
So if you keep
So does your body.
I mean, it's, it's, it's really the truth.
So if you keep thinking, I
can't lose weight, it'll, it's
never going to happen for me.
You are going to do things and
take actions and behaviors.
That will undermine your efforts
and oftentimes those start
with the thoughts in your head.
So part of this work in raising the
awareness is actually asking yourself.
Does that even make sense?
Is that the truth?
Because if you think about it 99.
9 percent of the thoughts when it comes
to food and eating aren't the truth,
Right.
right?
And the The way to break the pattern
is to, and here's what I say to all
my clients, what is it that you do?
What are the habits and behaviors
that you have that led you to being
overweight and or caused you to regain
the weight after you've lost it?
Those are the patterns that need
to be broken and changed and we
need to create new healthy beliefs.
And patterns and I kind
of call it a way of being.
Some people call it a lifestyle, right?
A lot of people know I need
to make lifestyle changes.
It's kind of like a big buzzword, but
nobody knows exactly what exactly does.
mean?
Right.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, that's why I don't, I get the,
even just the word diet is so loaded.
I wish we had a better way of saying
this is how I nourish my body.
That was a little more condensed.
That wasn't diet because to me and to
so many, especially people that have
been on that yo yo cycle diet means.
I'm restricted.
And when I'm not on the
diet, this is not how I eat.
Right.
And so I love that way of being or, you
know, lifestyle, if you will, if you
understand what lifestyle really means
and not as the budget as the buzzword.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's a
new way of being around food and eating.
Um, where you see food is just food.
Right.
So many people who are emotional
leaders, especially see food as having
this magical power to make all the bad
stuff go away, all the bad feelings
go away, the bad day go away, but
truthfully, when you emotionally eat,
which is typically what remote people
are drawn to unhealthy food, right?
Um, it just fuels the bad feelings.
Sure.
Sure.
You're continuing that cycle
because then after, after the
fact, you have more bad feelings.
Right,
I know I always laugh.
I have yet to come across anybody
who, you know, their go to
emotional food or a food connects.
It's connected to a, perhaps a lost
mom or, you know, a few, those kinds of
wrap you in a blanket emotional foods.
It's never, you know, my
mom made the best salad or
right.
even the steak I'm waiting for somebody to
say, you know, nothing like a steak fresh
off the grill to make me remember my happy
childhood memories or, um, yeah, it's
always something that does not serve us.
It's always the thing that doesn't
serve you and here's the thing.
So what I teach is people and I, I
make them and there's some things I'm
a stickler about and the words that
you use matter because it's how it
affects your brain and your thinking.
So I try to get them to abolish
the word treat and reward.
Yes.
I refer to it as an indulgence,
Love it.
all right?
Indulgences feel more luxurious.
So you get to indulge a couple
times a week, whether it's some
ice cream, but it's not the paint.
It's a piece of chocolate cake,
but it's not the whole cake.
It's a cheeseburger and fries, and if
you want to throw some bacon on it,
whatever it is, it's an indulgence.
So an indulgence is really something
that's high in fat and calories,
but it tastes good and we love it.
And so once or twice in a week,
you can indulge yourself so you
don't feel restricted or deprived,
and you can lose weight and or
maintain the weight that you've lost.
I had a client lose 50 pounds over
six months, and every weekend she
went for ice cream with her family.
Love it.
But she
My clients are like, wait, Julie, doesn't
let me eat ice cream different to only
if you're dairy intolerant, totally
a lot of right.
So it depends.
So it really depends on what it's right.
So, you know, if, if, if you are, you
know, if you have a gluten issue, you're
not gonna dive into a bag of pretzels.
Cause it'll make you feel sick.
But, but I love that the, that indulgence,
first of all, to me and, and, you know,
treat sounds like, or reward, I earned it.
I'm going to have like, get rid of all
of that indulgence is just a conscious.
Choice.
I'm indulging.
And, and I had actually, it's funny
that the client and maybe because
I think the patterns sometimes
are a little different with men.
I have a client who in the beginning, it
seemed like he was doing really well, but
he was like a tiny bit here, a tiny bit
there, a tiny bit here, a tiny bit there.
And I finally was like, look,
try like the, I just want.
Really good.
And then make a choice on the
weekend to indulge in some, a
choice, nothing sneaking a choice.
And it was just a very different, it was
my, you know, first time with that, with
a, with a man, um, where, and it took
a shifted, I mean, it was everything.
Cause he was, what it did for
him was create that awareness
that we always start with.
But he somehow just wasn't
connecting the dots.
Well, here's the interesting thing with
men, because I work with men as well.
And so they don't like to think
of themselves as emotional eaters
because men don't really think
of themselves as being emotional.
So they might say, you know, I stress
eat, but you know, a lot of men have
the same patterns in the same, you
know, relationship with food based on
something that they saw in their family.
they were still raised by
whoever raised their sister.
You're right.
And so they do have those patterns,
but they don't see it as a, as a, as
emotional and, and especially because
men, you know, are taught not to be
emotional or discuss their emotions.
Right?
So, and, but they do, they're
human, they have emotions.
So men use food to stuff down
those emotions because that's
what emotional eaters do, right?
They stuff or distract from
those feelings with food.
It's how they cope.
But when you say about sneaking, You
know, when, when people are children,
men or women, when they're children and
they're worried about being judged, right?
You said earlier, you know,
people wanted to see you eat.
And sometimes when people feel,
you know, children feel like
they're judged somehow for eating.
It's because they're eating
something that somebody's telling
them they shouldn't be eating.
So as children, they sneak.
But interestingly, as adults, when I
hear a client say, you know, I snuck
or something like that, I'm like,
well, who are you sneaking from?
you're the one who's here doing the work.
Right, but here's the thing.
They're sneaking from themselves.
It's the pattern of behavior.
Right.
They feel like they're afraid to
be judged, but they're the people,
they're their own worst self judgers.
Always always.
Yeah.
I love that.
You said that.
I say that all the time.
Like you're I call it the
mean voice because I tend to
find it's not usually nice.
And it's the same thing.
You would never speak to
somebody else that way.
You know, or like you pointed out, or
let somebody speak to you that way.
Yeah, yeah, I know it's, there's this
whole world going on, I don't know,
but it does all start with mindset
and thought and whether we're talking
about weight loss, which, you know,
you have, it's such a gift for your
clients that they, this is the real work.
It's not about the scale.
right.
It's not, and I don't believe
that, that you can be.
You know, very overweight and healthy.
I know that that's like the new thing
you're supposed to say you, you can,
you can't physically, you may feel well
for a while, but that's not healthy.
Um, and it's not emotionally
healthy or mentally healthy.
Yeah.
Listen, I mean, there's a reason
why people want to lose weight.
They want to feel better.
They want to feel better in their bodies.
They want to have more energy.
They want to feel more bright, vibrant.
They want to live longer and they
want to feel better about themselves.
Right.
And regardless of what you look like,
if you feel better about yourself,
you're more confident in yourself.
Yeah.
Right.
And that's what people are striving for.
But, you know, they're doing all of
these quick fixes and it's just, and
I, and I feel like it's more painful.
to continue yo yo dieting than
to take the long road, right?
It is a marathon.
It is not a sprint.
So stop trying to sprint.
And it takes a while to change your
mindset and change your thinking
and break these patterns, especially
if you've been repeating these
patterns for 20 plus years or more.
You, you, you owe that to yourself.
the beautiful part that I see, cause
I know I see it with my clients.
You're changing generations by helping
people shift their mindset, right?
So, you know, for, for the people
that you're working with that have
children and even when they're older
children, they still can see it.
They may still need to unravel
some of the, some of the stuff that
they witnessed as younger kids.
But, um, when we can shift that.
Where kids are growing up with a healthy
relationship around their emotions and
food like, Oh my gosh, that's powerful.
Yeah, I mean, actually, the clients that
I work with, I am actually working with a
client who has a younger daughter and, you
know, just in doing this work, you know,
people will speak about their children
and mention their patterns and then I
actually helped her break a pattern that
the client was enabling her daughter to
eat when maybe the daughter wasn't hungry.
But, you know.
Long story short, like her, she would
pick her up from, from school and,
you know, you know, pick her up from
like her, her, her soccer practice and
bring food for her and be like, oh,
you must be hungry and hand her food.
Well, I'm like, well, stop doing that.
If she's hungry, she'll ask you.
She's old enough to be
like, I'm hungry, you know.
And, and when she's doing that, her
daughter just stopped, she, when she got
home and she was hungry for dinner, she
ate her dinner, but she realized she was
perpetuating this because as a mother, God
forbid, your kid's a little hungry, right?
Your fear, like, you know, it's,
it's, it's, it was her fear, like,
what if my kid's hungry after that?
a Jewish mother,
Right.
Exactly.
know, but we also, that is interesting.
I am because we also tend to try
to do it differently for our kids.
Sometimes, sometimes we repeat the
pattern and sometimes we'll do that.
One 80, that's just as unhealthy, right.
Instead of a don't eat or wait till
dinner or it's like, here's food.
Here's food.
Here's food, you know?
So, yeah.
I mean, it should be a lot of it starts
like when we're kids and if you have
parents that ever said you can't leave
the table until you finish your dinner
or you can't have dessert unless you
finish your dinner or take one more bite.
You have to take one
more bite or two more.
Just finish your broccoli.
It's kind of like, you know, it's it's
it's it's teaching people how to okay.
Eat past beyond their satiety.
discount their signals from their body.
It's the same as when I found out
my oldest son was allergic to peas.
Um, he never let, you know, it's the
same as when you have a little one who
can't verbally tell you and they're not,
they, uh, they don't like certain foods.
It's usually cause there's a sensitivity
or an allergy or something and they
know they just can't articulate it.
It's that same kind of thing within them.
We're conditioned.
To discount those signals
of I'm I'm satisfied.
I'm content.
I'm satiated.
Yeah, I mean, and that, that's a,
that's an operative word, conditioned.
So many people are conditioned from a
young age on how to eat and how to think.
And that's why so many people
struggle with their weight because
they don't know how to change
that conditioning on their own.
Right?
And that's where getting help and support
to help draw out like, I know if my client
wasn't doing this work, she would have
never heard that thought in her head.
And she would have taken that her
friend's extra chicken salad and
neat net just because it was free.
Right.
Right.
Probably would have regretted it after.
Why did I eat that?
Empowering for her to now really
know, Oh my gosh, this is a trigger.
This is a pattern and I have control.
I can make a different choice.
It's it is so empowering.
Right.
And here's the thing.
So many women feel like, and probably even
men, they have no control over the food.
Like the food's calling me.
I can't help my,
right,
you tell yourself, I can't help myself.
Then of course, you're not going
to be able to help yourself.
But if you change the messaging, if
you change the thought to, of course, I
don't have to eat that I am not hungry.
And I, I would feel better losing
some weight than eating that thing.
right.
Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely.
So I want to share with listeners a
little bit about how they can work
with you, um, or get that support
because the support is, I always say,
and it's the same for what you do.
It's, it's not that the
information isn't out there, right?
Someone can read your book,
someone, but most of us.
Especially when it comes to changing
mindset patterns, emotional patterns,
messaging, the support is really helpful.
There's nothing like actual human support.
So how, how are you working with people?
I
Yeah, I work with people both privately.
I do one on one coaching and
I have a group program called,
what are you really hungry for?
Because it's really about getting
to underneath, like if you're
eating, but you're not hungry,
what are you really hungry for?
Is it emotional?
Is it habitual?
Like what's going on for you?
So either way I work with
clients, I do the mindset work.
A lot of people like
working in a community.
Which is what makes the group so valuable,
because, you know, when you, when you
coach one, everybody else is nodding
their head like that's me too, but you
could find me at Lisa Goldberg nutrition.
com where I talk about both of my,
you know, group coaching program
and my and my private program.
And, you know, it's, it's really
about getting support because
here's the thing, there is
knowledge mastery and self mastery.
So many people know what
they should be doing.
They have tons of information.
They read books.
They'll do like, you
know, free challenges.
They'll read the internet.
So they know, they just don't
know how to apply and implement it
into their life consistently long
enough to actually make the change.
And that's where the
accountability and the support.
And then even and getting the tools and
the strategies come in for those long
lasting results because ultimately, you
know, I always say, I'm not just about
helping you lose the way more importantly
about helping you keep the weight off.
Finally, once it's gone.
Right.
That's the, that's the difference, right?
And that's the, that's the gift.
Amazing.
So I, I can guess what you might
say, um, but listeners are trained
to listen for that one thing that
they can do starting today to move
the needle on their, I'll say health,
wellness, weight loss, whatever.
Those all tied together.
Okay.
So what I'd say is, um, two
things you could do or to listen
to the thoughts in your head.
When it comes to food and eating and
if you were finding yourself opening
the cabinet or or the refrigerator
or you're driving past that, you
know, fast food restaurant that
you tend to go into all the time.
Ask yourself.
Am I hungry?
Am I thinking about food because I'm
physically hungry, my body needs fuel,
like I feel the hunger in my belly.
If you are, go get something to eat.
But if you're not physically hungry,
like if you just ate an hour or an
hour and a half ago or two hours
ago, what's happening for you?
Why am I thinking about eating?
Why am I feeling like eating?
And listen to what you
tell yourself about it.
Listen to the story that you
probably repeat over and over again.
Alright, that's going to help you with
your gaining awareness of are you eating
for physical hunger or for something else?
So, like microprogram is, what
are you really hungry for?
I love it.
What are you really hungry for?
And that we can take that.
Then once you master that, you
can take it so far beyond food,
Exactly.
know, and it is, I, I love
it's back to that empowerment.
Um, because once we do get this knack of
identifying our stories, those running
stories and creating our new reality,
um, It's kind of like, wow, I can't, I
can't believe like that's been controlling
me my whole life, you know, wow.
Um, so I love it.
Amazing.
Your thoughts create your actions,
so what you think you'll do, and
your thoughts create your feelings.
So if you're feeling a certain way,
check in with what you're thinking,
and if you don't like the way
you're feeling, change the thought.
Yes.
Amazing.
Lisa, thank you so much.
You have shared amazing
gold with us today.
Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
It's just, the truth is Julie...
I love having these conversations
because so many people need to hear
this and they need to recognize that
there's nothing wrong with them, right?
love it.
Nothing's wrong with them.
There's nothing wrong with you.
You've just been conditioned
to believe and behave in a
certain way and it's changeable.
Just know that that's the truth.
Amazing.
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There's a ton of value here.
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