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Mystery Maniacs Episode! In Podcast 171, upon finding a liquifying corpse encased in plaster your first thought should not be dinosaur! Poor Brackenreid gets parts X-rayed! Skullduggery!
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Cluedunnit
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Hockey hall of Fame and Opening Shot
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Art by Melissa Capriglione - https://mcapriglioneart.weebly.com/
Bone Sharps, Cowboys, and Thunder Lizards: Edward Drinker Cope, Othniel Charles Marsh, and the Guilded Age of Paleontology - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0966010663/ref=sw_img_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1
Oliver Mowat - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Mowat
Thanks again for listening!
Mark & Sarah
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Schedule for July
- 7/3 - Murdoch Mysteries - S2 E02 - "Snakes and Ladders"
- 7/10 - Murdoch Mysteries - S2 E03 - "Dinosaur Fever"
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Sarah
I just want to say Max, next match, Max.
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Mark
Mack and Mack.
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Sarah
Like Murdoch in Vienna slapping machine and put him in it.
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Sarah
Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, maniacs.
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Sarah
Welcome to Mystery Maniacs.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy Recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else we love this week. Murdoch Mysteries, Dinosaur fever, Fever, Diner Fever.
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Sarah
It's got a disco beat.
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Mark
Yep. Season two Episode three I'm going to say, and this is this is absolutely a spoiler right off the top. No one gets dino fever in this episode.
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Sarah
No. Though a dinosaur does bite somebody.
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Mark
Sorta.
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Sarah
Mark, I'm Sara.
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Mark
You let your kids go to the museum and touch the dinosaurs?
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Sarah
No dinosaurs.
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Mark
The dinosaurs.
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Sarah
I consulted a real paleontologist with questions about this episode. If I suggested you get in touch dinosaurs, she would freak.
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Mark
Out. We have real paleontologist references in this episode. Oh my gosh. The power better not go out again.
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Sarah
Oh.
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Mark
You've had the worst time.
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Sarah
A light just flashed in the room that we're in. I'm like, Oh, no, power's.
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Mark
Going to go out. The power of the Internet being on both in our house at the same time.
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Sarah
This is the second week in a row that we've noted. Yes. Hey, we've got electricity and Internet. All right. You've got some announcements.
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Mark
Couple of things of note in the July and August schedule that went out in the Mystery Maniacs newsletter last week was we are doing a trivia night. It's not really a night, but it's a trivia event.
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Sarah
Depends where you are in.
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Mark
It's all mid-summer trivia. So none of this Murdoch stuff? No, it's Midsummer Baby. We're back.
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Sarah
Going back to our roots.
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Mark
Going back to our roots. And that will be on July 29th at 2 p.m. on YouTube and Facebook.
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Sarah
2 p.m. Eastern.
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Mark
2 p.m..
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Sarah
Eastern.
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Mark
And things are looking good that we will be able to have you all participate.
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Sarah
And milk prices.
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Mark
And we will have prizes.
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Sarah
It's going to be fun.
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Mark
So the prizes are not only for the winner, which we will certainly have prizes for some winners.
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Sarah
Of some random drawing, but.
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Mark
Also some participant prizes, because not everybody knows everything about Midsummer.
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Sarah
No, I.
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Mark
Don't. I don't. I certainly don't. And then after that, we're going to take a two week break because, as you well know, we are the busiest human beings on the planet. And those are two particular busy weeks for us.
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Sarah
They are busy.
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Mark
Second of all, we are on another podcast this week on the Clue IT podcast where the way their their podcast is, is they watch a little bit of the episode and then they guess who the killer is and we give them a little couple hints.
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Sarah
Yeah, they want some more then they, they've covered all kinds of stuff.
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Mark
Then they watch the episode, which is season one finale of Murdoch, and then they have us back on for there's really two episodes on and then there's a little inside baseball of how these podcasts work. Yeah, so.
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Sarah
It's called whodunit and Clue e D you and I t.
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Mark
And we're on that podcast. So that's.
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Sarah
That was really fun.
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Mark
So we're doing six podcasts, we're on those two podcasts This Sunday I am recording, which is tomorrow. But yesterday, if you're listening on Monday, I'm recording a music podcast I got invited to to talk about an R.E.M. album. That's one of my favorite records, and it's called The the Album Cockpit Podcast, where we go through all the songs on the record.
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Mark
And I talk ad nauseam about some of the.
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Sarah
Albums.
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Mark
The sound of my.
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Sarah
Voice. I really like R.E.M..
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Mark
Or if you like R.E.M., in particular, the album Lifes Rich Pageant. And then I'm going to be on a whole bunch of comic book podcasts because my Kickstarter is going to start up later this month. But more on that later. Yes. Okay.
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Sarah
We have to talk about the fabulous post on Reddit.
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Mark
Yes, our Reddit on our sub. Our subreddit is called Mystery Mania. It's our mystery. And the following was posted yesterday. The post is called Die Hard Maniac and it goes like this. I watched the last episode of Endeavor last night in a very tense and dramatic scene. Thursday goes to meet his brother in a deserted warehouse. Another character shows up in the meeting too, and I startled my partner by shouting.
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Sarah
Tits in a tree.
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Mark
I am a hopeless man. That's Erma Cat, who is a fantastic contributor on all the subreddits.
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Sarah
We've all done it. Yeah, Yeah.
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Mark
I absolutely know that. When I went to see the newest Batman movie and I leaned over to talk to my friend and went midsummer.
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Sarah
And every time you saw somebody who'd been in a mid-summer.
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Mark
No one else was doing.
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Sarah
No.
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Mark
C h s girl, 180 says, Oh my God, I do this thing all the time. I call it midsummer to read. So I will randomly yellow midsummer references and my poor hubby just smiles.
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Sarah
Are people.
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Mark
That's what I said. My people.
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Sarah
Right.
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Mark
And absolutely fantastic.
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Sarah
And the last thing before we dive in is you got an amazing gift yesterday from our friend.
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Mark
Joshua in Killarney for.
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Sarah
Your birthday. Yeah, that was an illustration of the two of us with the Mystery Maniacs logo.
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Mark
Podcasting.
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Sarah
Podcasting. Yeah.
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Mark
Done by Melissa Capri. Leona.
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Sarah
Yeah. Who does? It's your comics who.
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Mark
Illustrates some of my comics.
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Sarah
It's so cool. You posted it to the socials.
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Mark
I posted, I posted it to all of the social. It's Saturday. Include shooting. I did the cross population post. Yeah. So it went out on like 20 different accounts.
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Sarah
It's really fun. Yeah. It was such a cool guess.
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Mark
It was such an amazing, cool gift. And I, I, the first thing I said is, wow, my wife is pretty.
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Sarah
Good looking and it's better than I am. I think it makes me look prettier and I.
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Mark
Don't think so. You're.
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Sarah
Oh, sharks. Are you ready for Duino fever?
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Mark
Yes. Originally February 17, 2009, directed by Paul Fox, written by John Greig. And boy, do they stuff as much as possible in the first 2 minutes of this episode.
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Sarah
It should be called like impostor fever or fake or fever.
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Mark
Or gender wars.
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Sarah
By the way, we spoil it. Yes. If you've not seen it, stop listening. Go watch it. We're going to spoil it. We're going to tell you who the killer is and all that good stuff.
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Mark
On the very first shot, I had to stop the very first, so I had to stop the dinosaur. I did research. No. Where are they? What is that building?
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Sarah
I don't.
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Mark
Know. It is the Hockey Hall of Fame.
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Sarah
Are you serious?
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Mark
I am 100% serious. And boy, he didn't.
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Sarah
Know it was so nice.
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Mark
The Photoshop freezes they do to make it look like.
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Sarah
The door on the outside.
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Mark
On the outside. Okay. Yes. Now, they're not at the Hockey Hall of Fame on the inside, though. I think they're meant to be at something like.
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Sarah
A museum.
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Mark
Royal Ontario Museum or the RAM, as it's called.
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Sarah
So do they have to like Photoshop out a Gretzky statue outside or something?
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Mark
They did have to Photoshop out posters that would have been on the surface. I will. So I will take a comparison picture and show both of those in the show notes and put it in the real for next. That's fun because it is clearly the Hockey Hall of Fame. Okay, So okay, so I get past the first shot and then we have fancy sandwiches and I roll in.
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Mark
Waiter.
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Sarah
Yes. And poor Rudolf Sutton, who's the haggard professor. He's so jealous. Yes. He's like, I want to tell him I want a sandwich. Can I see him? They don't look very good sandwiches.
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Mark
So the eye rolling waiter is the waiter from later on. Yes, I double check. Yes, $8 for dance lessons. That's like a significant portion.
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Sarah
I don't think Murdoch is saying for each dance class. I don't know. I think it's like a gym membership. You know, you got to pay for a whole month or something.
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Mark
And I think it's interesting that Julia has a dress with no sleeves there. And she is the only one with the dress with no sleeves.
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Sarah
I don't think that makes her risque, though. Her purse is fugly.
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Mark
Yeah, it is her bag.
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Sarah
Looks like when I was a kid, my mom used to hang our clothes out on a line to dry, and she had this bag that she hung on the line that kept the clothespins in it. It looks like that thing.
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Mark
There's a super nice promotional shot I've used for a couple of the reminders, and I'll put it in the show notes. Two of them all dressed up with the dinosaur.
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Sarah
Nice.
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Mark
They they really were pleased that they got to do this because that dinosaur was obviously from the wrong and obviously like a real dinosaur model. Now, we'll get the.
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Sarah
Royal Ontario Museum. Yes. Okay. You got a clue. A cent on your Canadian lingo.
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Mark
Said.
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Sarah
That before prom.
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Mark
So they dropped the bone wars right away.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
Dino hunters is celebrities. The rivalry between or Sanyal, Charles Marsh and Edward Drinker Cope. So this is well known. I think we actually have covered it in another episode that mentioned dinosaurs, so I'm not going to cover it, but it is it would be absolutely the talk of that event.
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Sarah
They were rival dinosaur hunters who basically went to any lengths to one up the other one. There's a lot of exaggeration about it. Like they dynamited each other's sites and stuff. And they it's they didn't really go to that length. They had different procedures back then. They often did use dynamite, you know, but not to to sabotage one another, though between them, they did discover 136 new species of dinosaurs.
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Mark
Which and this is not their fault, most of which are now completely different dinosaurs.
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Sarah
Yeah, because they've renamed them.
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Mark
Well.
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Sarah
Correctly.
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Mark
This goes all.
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Sarah
Realize that the head didn't go with that body or whatever.
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Mark
All that good.
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Sarah
Stuff though I will say if if you are even remotely interested in the bone wars and that story back in 2005, this really exceptional graphic novel came out called it's called Bone Sharps Cowboys and Thunder Lizards, Edward Drinker, Cope Animal, Char, Charles Marsh and the Gilded Age of Paleontology. And it's by Jim OTA Devaney. And it's a graphic novel.
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Sarah
It's beautiful.
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Mark
Yeah we'll post that in the.
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Sarah
End is so.
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Mark
Fun. I don't know why we don't own that. I think I read it from the library. I think we should own that.
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Sarah
Yeah, that's very cool.
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Mark
Yeah. So then, wow, one single word has me off on a whole tangent. I easily spend 20 minutes on the first 2 minutes of this.
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Sarah
You're broken sometimes, you know?
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Mark
So broken sometimes. For me, air is the word.
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Sarah
Yeah, because. Okay, so we have Barclay Blake, who is the fancy dancy paleontologist.
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Mark
Boy, is he fancy.
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Sarah
And we have Rudolf Sutton, who is the professor in the tweed suit, too clearly poor and hungry and want to eat sandwich.
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Mark
Yes, sorry to say, accurately portrays academics that we know.
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Sarah
Yeah, but you know what? He's got a point.
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Mark
So he has a point. Everything. Yeah, but he is.
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Sarah
But Barkley's trying to show up everybody. He's like, Oh, Premier, you know, like I'm important. I know who the Premier is and I'll talk to him.
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Mark
Well, the Premier is not Premier for very much longer. His name is Oliver Mowat. Mm hmm. Boy, does he have some lamb chops.
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Sarah
Woo!
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Mark
He's got little Harry Potter glasses and big old chops.
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Sarah
He's not.
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Mark
Here. And so this is after May 16th, because the last episode was May 16th, and they were trying look.
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Sarah
At you and your history.
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Mark
Trying to.
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Sarah
Continuity. Yep.
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Mark
They're trying to get ready for the ball and that episode. So it's after that. And he resigned on the 21st of July. So there's only a few weeks that this episode.
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Sarah
Stuff's going down already. Probably, yeah. Why did he have to resign?
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Mark
Well, he didn't have to resign. He chose to resign because he left to become a federal member in the he left to go into federal politics because the Liberal Party was in charge of Ontario and the country at this time.
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Sarah
So Premier is like a governor premier. So he was in charge of Ontario. Yeah. And then and then there's Prime Minister. Yes. Who is in charge of all of Canada, right? Yes, the President.
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Mark
Okay, so then I'm reading his Wikipedia page and I come across a murdoch Mysteries reference because he appears in a later episode. Now the.
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Sarah
Premier does.
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Mark
No, Yeah. Moe It appears in the later episode. Now I can't tell you why or how he appears in a later episode because it's a bit of a spoiler, but he's played by David Onley in the future episode and I'm like, David, only click. This is the rabbit hole I went down. David Onley at this time was the head news reporter at City TV.
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Mark
Oh, so he's like the Walter Cronkite of City TV at this point.
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Sarah
And then he goes on to play the premier in Murdoch.
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Mark
And then becomes lieutenant governor of Ontario.
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Sarah
Oh, in real life.
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Mark
In real life.
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Sarah
So then they ask him to come and play a politician.
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Mark
Then they come and ask him to play a politician in the show.
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Sarah
Just like in a season six episode, there's the real Canadian astronaut. Yes, there's a little cameo.
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Mark
Yes. Yeah. And certain members of rock bands and all sorts of other things that show up. So, yeah, we're not 2 minutes in and I'm Wolf. I got a half page of notes already and then we get to run agains raise.
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Sarah
Pew pew pew pew.
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Mark
Because out of nowhere Murdoch and Julia start talking about x rays.
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Sarah
Because they'll be important.
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Mark
They will.
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Sarah
Be. They're nerds.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
So they can't just dance and appreciate the event. They've got to nerd out while they're dancing.
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Mark
I weirdest ruttig in fact is that a minor planet? 6401 Ratigan is named after him Duh.
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Sarah
I'll talk more about x rays when we actually get.
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Mark
The actual x rays.
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Sarah
When we finally get past the first 2 minutes of the episode.
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Mark
That's okay. So he talks about a Sarah pod, and that's actually been discovered by Marsh. I don't know if you knew that. And then the blasphemous part happened, and I didn't do a lot of research into this, but there were dinosaur events upset by religious zealots.
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Sarah
Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So before before all that, though, speaking of the premiere, there's a really funny scene where that the premier gets his photo taken. Yes. While the waiter, who later has a hammer, is offering him a sandwich. Yes. And the face that he makes the the premiere goes like, Oh, I got a screenshot of that.
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Mark
Excellent. I think I should resign in three ways.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's kind of anti-climactic though. Then he didn't resign because of some kind of turmoil. He just resigned for a different job.
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Mark
No.
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Sarah
And then not nearly enough.
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Mark
He won eight elections, but he was also appointed. I learned a lot about board. He was also appointed because the guy before him left to become the leader of the party. And in Ottawa.
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Sarah
Well, isn't that just a pattern?
00;16;39;19 - 00;16;58;09
Mark
Yeah, just totally. But he won eight elections. He was a he was premier for quite a long time and did all sorts of interesting things, including created municipal levels of government, extended suffrage beyond property owners and introduced secret ballot and provincial voting.
00;16;58;16 - 00;17;18;26
Sarah
I'm sorry, people, I know it's my job. I mentioned the Premier again because of the funny sandwich scene and I opened the door to more of them. The first two minute rumination. Okay, so we get this nice little flashback of Berkley finding the bones. Yes. Can you even call this finding it? He frantically trips over it. It's sticking out.
00;17;19;04 - 00;17;37;11
Sarah
Right? So this is a bone that Rudolf Sutton, the other paleontologist, has manufactured. Yes. As a trap to Berkeley. And he doesn't even try really to hide it. He's like, Berkley, you are so dumb that if I don't have this giant five foot bone sticking out of the dirt, you probably.
00;17;37;11 - 00;17;44;00
Mark
Which it never would have like it like a real paleontologist would have known the strata was all wrong.
00;17;44;00 - 00;17;58;06
Sarah
Yeah, but that's the whole point. He's not a paleontologist, right? He's a geologist. Yes, but even he should know better. But come on, it's a giant bone. Who's going to resist that? Yeah, and you can't tell concrete from fossil.
00;17;58;09 - 00;17;59;14
Mark
Yeah, I'm a little worried.
00;17;59;14 - 00;18;08;01
Sarah
He's not a very good geologist. If you can't talk about the fossil. And Rudolph Sutton must have some really good arts and crafts, he just makes it.
00;18;08;04 - 00;18;13;22
Mark
That would have been interesting. Rudolf Sutton Arts and Crafts night in his tent, because he probably did it in his hand.
00;18;13;27 - 00;18;16;12
Sarah
And then carried it to Miles on various.
00;18;16;16 - 00;18;21;17
Mark
His little YouTube channel is like doing arts and crafts. He's got a camera in every everything.
00;18;21;19 - 00;18;25;20
Sarah
Sure, you put an iron rod in the center because it won't be, you know.
00;18;25;22 - 00;18;34;00
Mark
Dirty before I bury this and try to fake out a faker. Remember fall like it's dying.
00;18;34;03 - 00;18;38;06
Sarah
That bell is just sticking out. And it's from a pterosaur. S.
00;18;38;08 - 00;18;38;23
Mark
Yes.
00;18;38;28 - 00;18;47;19
Sarah
So they're pods, Pterosaurs. It's not a T-Rex, right? But. T But they're related to it's an Alberta saurus.
00;18;47;19 - 00;18;53;16
Mark
Yeah. And they're all trying to figure all this stuff out as quickly as possible. So mistakes were made.
00;18;53;16 - 00;19;08;05
Sarah
Yeah. And Alberta is a smaller member of the same family that T-Rex is. Ah, yes. And that's what when we we see the body in the mouth of the fossil and in a second that's an Alberta sauce.
00;19;08;09 - 00;19;10;03
Mark
That's clearly in Alberta sauce.
00;19;10;03 - 00;19;10;14
Sarah
Yeah.
00;19;10;18 - 00;19;15;14
Mark
So there's a body in the mouth. Yeah. Because Murdoch, Knox over.
00;19;15;15 - 00;19;21;12
Sarah
While he tackles the waiter who then gets away. Yeah And then the the curtain falls.
00;19;21;14 - 00;19;23;02
Mark
And there's a giant.
00;19;23;04 - 00;19;24;27
Sarah
Body. Yeah.
00;19;24;29 - 00;19;25;18
Mark
Now.
00;19;25;20 - 00;19;40;05
Sarah
You know, in most cases when you see a full dinosaur skeleton like that, none of those bones are real. They're the fastest fiberglass casts of the bones, because they just they just don't do that. They don't put real fossils out like that.
00;19;40;08 - 00;19;58;23
Mark
That is more in the there's two moments as a child who likes dinosaurs that really burst your bubble. The first moment is when you realize, you know, that they're not around anymore, but when you realize that if they have if they were around right now, we would not be the highest on the food chain.
00;19;58;24 - 00;19;59;19
Sarah
Right?
00;19;59;21 - 00;20;07;04
Mark
So there's that moment. And then the second moment is that every dinosaur bone that you've ever seen is most likely plaster or fiberglass.
00;20;07;06 - 00;20;25;25
Sarah
Yeah. I think the third disillusionment for me was when I found out that when you see a full skeleton and like that, not only is that not really the fossilized bones you're looking at, but in reality they may have only found a 10th of those bones in their resting what the rest of them look like.
00;20;25;25 - 00;20;33;08
Mark
Yeah, they're guessing. Those are highly educated, extremely well developed and research guesses.
00;20;33;08 - 00;20;40;21
Sarah
Yes. So as soon as I saw DeWitt's body in the mouth of the dinosaur, I'm thinking, is that sturdy enough to hold that body up?
00;20;40;21 - 00;20;47;15
Mark
I agree totally. And my question for you is, do you think that's an actual person in there or a mannequin?
00;20;47;20 - 00;20;52;04
Sarah
It looks like a real person. The way his torso bends looks realistic to me.
00;20;52;04 - 00;20;56;14
Mark
It looks very realistic. I don't know. That's one of those things I would ask.
00;20;56;16 - 00;21;18;25
Sarah
So I immediately because I wondered like, how how are these things wired up? Because I've seen dinosaur skeletons like that that are actually suspended. Yeah, right. So they're each on a pair of wires that are hanging at the right height, you know, which is amazing. But I've also seen them on like a welded frame that the bone, the bone recreations are attached to.
00;21;18;27 - 00;21;41;02
Sarah
And I just wonder, like, is it sturdy enough to put a whole body in that jaw? Wouldn't the jaw just, like, break or fall off? Yeah. So what do I do? I get on my little phone this hour texting my friend and who's a paleontologist, and I'm like, girlfriend. Here's a picture of this Murdoch scene. I know it's 9:00 in the morning on a Saturday.
00;21;41;06 - 00;21;53;15
Sarah
And this is a weird question, but could it support it? And I get back like 500 words, actually. And the bottom line is probably yes.
00;21;53;17 - 00;21;54;23
Mark
I could have supported it.
00;21;54;23 - 00;22;00;16
Sarah
Yes. Oh, really? Because they're way over engineered the frames for those things for safety's sake.
00;22;00;16 - 00;22;04;15
Mark
Well, I got to imagine that they got to be careful of kid touch.
00;22;04;15 - 00;22;26;29
Sarah
Yeah. Her her only kind of point of ensured ness was back then. They probably would have cast the bones from plaster. And if it wasn't properly reinforced, the whole thing wouldn't have fallen down. But the jaw might have just like snapped in half. Nowadays they're made out of fiberglass and they've got, you know, like a resin cell. And it certainly would support his weight.
00;22;27;01 - 00;22;38;24
Sarah
So yeah, it could happen. Now, I don't know how they managed to replace him through the big teeth. No, because the mouth would not be movable. Never mind for the job. Put him in and lift it up again.
00;22;38;24 - 00;22;45;01
Mark
Never mind that She's a slate woman. Yes, but she hulks out to get him, I guess.
00;22;45;02 - 00;22;46;17
Sarah
Yeah. Marianne McConnell.
00;22;46;17 - 00;22;48;09
Mark
She's so pissed off.
00;22;48;16 - 00;22;52;24
Sarah
That she can carry her former boyfriend's body who.
00;22;52;26 - 00;22;55;00
Mark
Like when she not be so great.
00;22;55;00 - 00;22;56;17
Sarah
Like when you be sad.
00;22;56;23 - 00;22;58;28
Mark
You be so sad and.
00;22;59;01 - 00;23;02;24
Sarah
She's too ambitious to be sad. Mark, come on.
00;23;02;25 - 00;23;04;17
Mark
She's so sad.
00;23;04;20 - 00;23;09;21
Sarah
Her former boyfriend is now just a tool for her to get ahead. She's a bad person.
00;23;09;21 - 00;23;17;07
Mark
Yes. In the background. Did you notice there's a bunch of large diagrams, but there's also a giant photo and I didn't think that was possible.
00;23;17;07 - 00;23;19;16
Sarah
Then how do you take a photo of a dinosaur?
00;23;19;17 - 00;23;22;15
Mark
No, no, not have a dinosaur of bones.
00;23;22;17 - 00;23;23;12
Sarah
Yeah.
00;23;23;14 - 00;23;27;11
Mark
But to print a photo of that large. I don't know if that would have been possible.
00;23;27;15 - 00;23;32;25
Sarah
It's just a matter of backing up the magnifier that projects it onto the paper.
00;23;32;25 - 00;23;33;21
Mark
Maybe.
00;23;33;23 - 00;23;36;22
Sarah
Maybe it would be. Maybe fuzzy. I don't know.
00;23;36;24 - 00;23;40;29
Mark
Let's flirt over dead body.
00;23;41;01 - 00;23;52;11
Sarah
There's always that scene, But she can't touch the body. New York homeland because the famous Ben Spring DeWitt are sending a doctor from America to look at that body.
00;23;52;12 - 00;23;53;27
Mark
Okay, so this is.
00;23;54;03 - 00;23;55;18
Sarah
This is so mad.
00;23;55;18 - 00;24;11;21
Mark
We're Canadian Heat of America. Okay? It is so like, remember when we started Murdoch, I talked about there would be these moments where it's like you're American your. Yeah, this is one of those moments.
00;24;11;28 - 00;24;24;26
Sarah
Well, I don't even know if it's that it's an American. I think it could be anybody. But she's been ordered not to start the autopsy because some other doctor is coming to do this if she's not good enough.
00;24;24;29 - 00;24;27;13
Mark
You know, I turned into Randy Macho Man.
00;24;27;13 - 00;24;35;18
Sarah
I never you're saying America in this bad way, but you sound so American when you do it. You're like America.
00;24;35;18 - 00;24;40;05
Mark
Yeah. So I researched the duets of Philadelphia.
00;24;40;08 - 00;24;42;26
Sarah
The Bed, Spring Family. Yes. I couldn't find anything.
00;24;42;26 - 00;24;43;18
Mark
About the made.
00;24;43;18 - 00;24;49;04
Sarah
Up. Yeah. No, no. Now, there was a famous bed spring family, but they were in Missouri.
00;24;49;06 - 00;24;53;25
Mark
And there was a famous twin family in Philadelphia. But they weren't bad.
00;24;53;25 - 00;24;54;24
Sarah
They didn't make bad.
00;24;54;27 - 00;24;56;06
Mark
Lawyers and academics.
00;24;56;06 - 00;25;04;15
Sarah
Yeah, DeWitt says of the dead man, Lucas, that he knew his strata like no one I've ever met.
00;25;04;15 - 00;25;07;00
Mark
It's not to weird. It's what's his name? Who says.
00;25;07;00 - 00;25;20;21
Sarah
That? Burkley says that DeWitt of DeWitt. Yeah. Which is like, it may be the best compliment a paleontologist can get or an archeologist, for that matter, or geologist. You sure know your strata.
00;25;20;24 - 00;25;21;19
Mark
The dive team.
00;25;21;19 - 00;25;23;02
Sarah
No, they're. Yeah.
00;25;23;05 - 00;25;26;26
Mark
Oh. Ah, look at the dinosaur.
00;25;26;28 - 00;25;28;18
Sarah
Only time deep. Well, get.
00;25;28;18 - 00;25;32;29
Mark
That was the worst West Country accent ever.
00;25;33;01 - 00;26;02;12
Sarah
You were a pirate. Yeah. I love when Murdock goes to question McConnell. She is taking a claw out of its plaster cast yet, and he's trying to question her, and he can't take his eyes off of it. Yeah, like any other detective in any other show might be, like ogling her. Yeah, Or like, her cleavage or something. But Murdock is like, Look at that car.
00;26;02;17 - 00;26;06;11
Mark
He knows exactly what it is. He's like, so enamored with it.
00;26;06;18 - 00;26;07;17
Sarah
That's an angle.
00;26;07;23 - 00;26;09;29
Mark
And that's a really good model, too.
00;26;10;00 - 00;26;10;20
Sarah
It's in Alberta.
00;26;10;20 - 00;26;14;24
Mark
Saurus Angular. I think that's a super good model they made right there.
00;26;14;24 - 00;26;21;12
Sarah
Yeah. Says exactly how you would pack something like that. Yeah, he's in plaster with burlap to reinforce it.
00;26;21;15 - 00;26;26;05
Mark
Now we go to Sutton Place, which really should be called sat down.
00;26;26;07 - 00;26;41;22
Sarah
He's Mr. Messy office up in the garret of some building where they've sent him, you know, as his disgruntled professor. Done? Yes. To live up there? Yes. Have some neat windows. But they're all dirty so that we can't see that it's not actually a place. Right.
00;26;41;22 - 00;26;46;03
Mark
I think they actually reuse this room in another episode. Yeah.
00;26;46;03 - 00;26;52;16
Sarah
I'm sure he calls Berkeley a gaseous, bloated mental midget. Yes, it's very bad.
00;26;52;19 - 00;27;01;20
Mark
I don't have dozens of students. I've heard academics, maybe even in this house say that I love.
00;27;01;22 - 00;27;06;26
Sarah
He says. I adore the way people confuse scientific rigor with nice teeth.
00;27;06;29 - 00;27;07;21
Mark
Again.
00;27;07;24 - 00;27;09;11
Sarah
I haven't.
00;27;09;13 - 00;27;12;17
Mark
Heard an academic say maybe in this.
00;27;12;17 - 00;27;24;13
Sarah
House he's so grumpy and poor. Brock and Reid gave Murdoch the tickets because he and Margaret are not getting along right now, so he can't go to the ball.
00;27;24;14 - 00;27;25;08
Mark
But he shows up.
00;27;25;11 - 00;27;40;26
Sarah
But he has to come anyway. Yeah, He's like, I'm going to go talk to the Chief Constable for a second. Yeah, he's got to mix and mingle or whatever. Yeah. And Crabtree says there are still dinosaurs in the Amazon Brack and Reid says no, they're in Loch Ness.
00;27;41;04 - 00;27;44;29
Mark
The Loch Ness dinosaur.
00;27;45;01 - 00;27;59;16
Sarah
Oh. And the dance that Murdoch and Julia do around not really doing an autopsy, but collecting as much evidence as they can from the body. Okay. How long has it been dead?
00;27;59;17 - 00;28;01;19
Mark
Yes, but I like that.
00;28;01;21 - 00;28;05;05
Sarah
He came from Alberta to Toronto. Yeah, on a train.
00;28;05;05 - 00;28;06;26
Mark
But he was mummified on the train?
00;28;06;27 - 00;28;16;07
Sarah
No, he was a liquefying corpse encased in plaster. I'm sorry. So how long would that train have taken from Alberta to Toronto?
00;28;16;09 - 00;28;19;01
Mark
That at that point, three or four days.
00;28;19;01 - 00;28;26;09
Sarah
Okay, so he's dead. Three or four days? Yep. Then I assume he's in Toronto for a few days for the exhibit.
00;28;26;10 - 00;28;28;21
Mark
He's got at the very least two weeks dead.
00;28;28;22 - 00;28;34;04
Sarah
Yeah. And now they're going to wait even longer for a pathologist to come from Philadel.
00;28;34;06 - 00;28;35;22
Mark
They're going to poke into his head.
00;28;35;22 - 00;28;37;03
Sarah
He's going to be soup.
00;28;37;07 - 00;28;38;05
Mark
He's sick.
00;28;38;10 - 00;28;41;28
Sarah
He's not. He's dead. I mean, he's not. Okay?
00;28;42;04 - 00;28;44;17
Mark
No, but he smells gross.
00;28;44;19 - 00;29;08;02
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be really bad when Julia talks about how, like, I've learned so much about mummification, like he was wrapped in the cluster in the burlap and pressed this necklace into his skin, and his clothes were, like, formed to to his flesh. And she's like, so excited. And Murdoch is like, turning green. Yeah. Like, I'm glad you're so excited.
00;29;08;06 - 00;29;24;21
Sarah
Yeah. You know, I really think in reality, he would be in much worse shape. Yeah, but they're. We're not going to open him. We're just going to stick these forceps into his head. Yeah, but that's not an incision, so it's okay.
00;29;24;24 - 00;29;32;08
Mark
And also here, this is another example of Julia killing it. Comedian. As a comedian.
00;29;32;11 - 00;29;35;12
Sarah
And he makes so many great jokes that other people don't appreciate.
00;29;35;13 - 00;29;39;20
Mark
Murdoch and Brackett Reed are just like, whatever, jokey lady.
00;29;39;20 - 00;29;41;04
Sarah
What does she say?
00;29;41;07 - 00;29;42;26
Mark
I forget.
00;29;42;29 - 00;29;44;12
Sarah
It was so good that you forgot.
00;29;44;13 - 00;29;45;16
Mark
It was a good joke.
00;29;45;22 - 00;29;58;04
Sarah
The the whole idea that she's collecting evidence from the body already, even though this other pathology just is coming. Like, first of all, she's screwing everything up for the other pathologist. If they're the ones who are actually going to.
00;29;58;04 - 00;30;03;16
Mark
Decide, well, they did a good job of of explaining later on that he observes her doing.
00;30;03;16 - 00;30;04;11
Sarah
It. Yeah.
00;30;04;14 - 00;30;05;20
Mark
So that is so.
00;30;05;20 - 00;30;07;08
Sarah
There's a chain of evidence. It works.
00;30;07;08 - 00;30;07;16
Mark
That.
00;30;07;16 - 00;30;13;28
Sarah
Way. But when the other pathologist does show up, he just screws off to Niagara Falls and leaves her to do the job anyway.
00;30;13;28 - 00;30;26;20
Mark
Exactly. So there's a couple of things here that make it clearly obvious that somebody involved with the dig and we're left with not enough suspects in this episode.
00;30;26;22 - 00;30;31;12
Sarah
Right? So they find burlap and plaster on the body. Yes, we find.
00;30;31;12 - 00;30;32;29
Mark
Out Lucas had a sweetheart.
00;30;33;06 - 00;30;42;03
Sarah
Yeah. Based on his job and the fact that he was overseeing, packing up the camp and everything. I'm really not surprised that he would have burlap and plaster on him anyway.
00;30;42;03 - 00;30;42;17
Mark
No, I.
00;30;42;17 - 00;30;44;07
Sarah
Don't. But it's evidence. Did you.
00;30;44;07 - 00;30;48;18
Mark
Notice that one guy at a camp had a rock and a stick and he was pushing the stick on the.
00;30;48;18 - 00;31;13;13
Sarah
Rock? What are you doing? My take is that. I don't know. Do they recreate caveman tools? Okay, that's kind of the wrong time, period. Yep. So they originally they think he was killed in Toronto. Then they figure out, No, he was killed in Alberta and sent to Toronto with all of the other plaster encased fossils.
00;31;13;13 - 00;31;15;14
Mark
Well, at this point, they still think he shot.
00;31;15;18 - 00;31;23;03
Sarah
Yeah, and they think he was shot, so they've narrowed it down to like Sutton in Berkeley. And then they realized, no, no, he was killed in Alberta.
00;31;23;04 - 00;31;23;28
Mark
And he wasn't.
00;31;23;28 - 00;31;31;05
Sarah
Shot. So when he was killed is completely off now. Yeah. And he wasn't shot because there's concrete as well. Yes.
00;31;31;12 - 00;31;34;22
Mark
And there's no bullet. And how did they know there's no bullet?
00;31;34;22 - 00;31;37;09
Sarah
Oh, they take an X-ray for.
00;31;37;12 - 00;31;40;19
Mark
And Reid's testicle.
00;31;40;22 - 00;31;43;11
Sarah
I'm glad he's already had his boys because he's infertile now.
00;31;43;11 - 00;31;46;06
Mark
Because. Wow, he zapped those.
00;31;46;08 - 00;31;49;25
Sarah
He holds it right in front of his crotch not once, but twice.
00;31;49;25 - 00;31;51;26
Mark
Are you sure this is safe?
00;31;51;29 - 00;31;57;03
Sarah
No. Yeah. Julia says she borrows the X-ray from Mask.
00;31;57;03 - 00;32;03;01
Mark
Yeah. She stole it. Yeah. The gun is in position. I love.
00;32;03;03 - 00;32;07;27
Sarah
He's like the gun. And then she just flipped the switch. Doesn't even give him a chance to move.
00;32;07;27 - 00;32;11;07
Mark
And then he's just like, Oh, there's the man scope.
00;32;11;10 - 00;32;20;16
Sarah
There it is. I am. I am. I find it so interesting that so the time when this episode is said, which.
00;32;20;16 - 00;32;24;14
Mark
Would be after May 16th, 19, 1896.
00;32;24;16 - 00;32;25;07
Sarah
X-rays.
00;32;25;07 - 00;32;27;07
Mark
And before the 21st of July.
00;32;27;09 - 00;32;36;03
Sarah
Oh three car. When this is said, X-rays have only been discovered like 18 months before.
00;32;36;03 - 00;32;38;20
Mark
Yeah, it was very, very quick before this.
00;32;38;24 - 00;32;54;10
Sarah
And it is a technology that spreads so rapidly, super fast, like we see this happen now. Yeah, but back then, things just didn't especially scientific, you know, things just did not go into the public consciousness that fast.
00;32;54;11 - 00;33;01;24
Mark
This still, when you really look at an X-ray today, you're like, that's kind of a magic that's amazing.
00;33;01;26 - 00;33;37;12
Sarah
Like then you see a CT scan and you're like, Whoa, whoa. It's like, you slice me up pictures, and all I did was have an anxiety attack and a little tube. So I don't I don't want to get into the technology of X-rays now, but I did look into just a little bit about the proliferation of them and how quickly they spread from not just the scientific community, but also to just like popular consciousness, because for some reason and I think it's because of photography, because photography had done that so recently that I think X-rays are just seen as a different kind of photography.
00;33;37;14 - 00;33;41;24
Sarah
So they get into the hands of regular people real fast. Yeah. So they should not have.
00;33;41;24 - 00;33;45;16
Mark
They should not have. And I think I think part of that is.
00;33;45;16 - 00;33;48;29
Sarah
The seed rack and reeds testicles for evidence.
00;33;49;01 - 00;33;52;20
Mark
I'm a little worried about seeing bracket reed testicles.
00;33;52;20 - 00;33;57;17
Sarah
They might be glowing like it's spread.
00;33;57;18 - 00;34;05;03
Mark
So can we not be disastrous? Well, that's the goal.
00;34;05;05 - 00;34;23;24
Sarah
Just called the bone Honors. It's the same thing and you're so regular people had X-ray machines so quickly. So there were photographers who had photography studios. Yes. Who quickly got X-ray machines. And we're doing what they were calling bone portraits. Yes.
00;34;23;25 - 00;34;29;17
Mark
And I think that stems from the very first picture taken by him of his wife's hand.
00;34;29;17 - 00;34;32;25
Sarah
What's his name? Right. Right. I can't pronounce it. He's got a.
00;34;33;01 - 00;34;33;27
Mark
Louder.
00;34;33;29 - 00;34;37;20
Sarah
Right. Again, he he X-rayed his wife's hand with her wedding ring.
00;34;37;20 - 00;34;40;04
Mark
And that was super popular. That picture was.
00;34;40;04 - 00;35;01;21
Sarah
A huge thing. Yeah, well, and it was an image that a lot of people demonstrating X-ray machines would do. Yes. Right. They would have a woman put her hand on there and get a plate of her hand. Yeah. But so that so this is in Portrait studios. I can only imagine photographers must have been dropping like flies about five years later.
00;35;01;22 - 00;35;08;05
Sarah
Oh, my goodness. If you're taking X-ray after X-ray all day long without any protection, none. Somebody's going to get.
00;35;08;05 - 00;35;11;02
Mark
Some say like they still put the lead blanket on, you know.
00;35;11;04 - 00;35;11;21
Sarah
And leave.
00;35;11;21 - 00;35;12;27
Mark
Stone dead.
00;35;12;27 - 00;35;17;06
Sarah
Does they leave the room?
00;35;17;08 - 00;35;21;27
Mark
But I know, I know. They also took pictures of a lot of women who were pregnant.
00;35;21;27 - 00;35;46;04
Sarah
Oh, well. And one probably wouldn't do that much damage to you. Yes, but the person taking those images who's exposed over and over and over again would be in trouble. But moving X-rays were developed almost immediately because moving pictures were just developed. So the combination of moving photography and X-ray. Yeah. Was like overnight. Yes. Right. Which is amazing.
00;35;46;06 - 00;35;52;26
Sarah
And people were afraid that if it could see your skeleton, that it could see your thoughts.
00;35;53;00 - 00;35;57;24
Mark
Oh, so there people thought all sorts of weird things like that with the telephone.
00;35;57;26 - 00;36;05;03
Sarah
Yeah, Like you could read your mind. Yeah. What's his name? The. The man who made one of the first movies, M.A. Is that right?
00;36;05;05 - 00;36;06;13
Mark
George Miller.
00;36;06;16 - 00;36;12;09
Sarah
Yeah. Yeah. He quickly made almost like a parody movie. Yes, of a couple.
00;36;12;09 - 00;36;13;08
Mark
Of very famous.
00;36;13;11 - 00;36;23;05
Sarah
Yeah. Movie. There are. There's a couple sitting on a couch and they're like, recording. And then somebody brings out an x ray and the actors are changed into like, body suits with bones painted on them. Yes.
00;36;23;05 - 00;36;24;25
Mark
And they darken it to make it.
00;36;24;25 - 00;36;26;07
Sarah
Look like too skull.
00;36;26;09 - 00;36;28;19
Mark
They intended the skeleton.
00;36;28;20 - 00;36;31;26
Sarah
Yeah. Motion because people were already talking about it.
00;36;31;26 - 00;36;33;23
Mark
Already talking about it.
00;36;33;25 - 00;37;02;05
Sarah
But my favorite thing that I found, I read this article in this Gothic review academic journal. Okay. Yeah. And it was. And it was about the reaction, the public reaction to x rays. Yes. And it mentioned the short story that was released in 1895. It's like right away. Okay. It's called Munchkins Curse. Yeah, it was written by a c h t cross tweet.
00;37;02;11 - 00;37;03;19
Mark
Okay. Wow.
00;37;03;22 - 00;37;16;13
Sarah
In two sentences, I can tell you the story. Okay. All right. So this gentleman, the scientific gentleman learns about x rays, so he immediately invents x ray eyedrops. You put them in your eyes and you can see.
00;37;16;15 - 00;37;20;22
Mark
The man of X with X-ray eyes. So fantastically horrible movie of.
00;37;20;28 - 00;37;31;29
Sarah
Much before that. The first thing he does is he puts the drops in his dog's eyes and his dog goes nuts. He Bobo runs off and drops dead. Well, yeah. So then he thinks I'll just put him in my eyes.
00;37;31;29 - 00;37;33;04
Mark
Okay.
00;37;33;06 - 00;37;51;26
Sarah
And he sees his wife and his child as skeletons walking around the house. And he's so disturbed that he has a breakdown. Wow. And to save him, his wife gets rid of all of his scientific equipment and converts his lab into a billiard room. And then he's all better. Oh, D And.
00;37;51;26 - 00;37;57;25
Mark
Does he do a podcast.
00;37;57;27 - 00;37;59;14
Sarah
X ray I dropped.
00;37;59;18 - 00;38;23;18
Mark
We have not even talked about George in time in force. So at this point in time, they're not really sure how old the world is. If you if you do any research into the age of the earth, you realize how recently we understood that the Earth is like billions of years old.
00;38;23;20 - 00;38;25;03
Sarah
Right? Right.
00;38;25;06 - 00;38;51;19
Mark
So they're still thinking millions because because Darwin is struggling with he's not struggling with it at this point in time. But he struggled with the idea of millions of years. Yeah, trouble with it. And they were trying to figure it out. And then the whole literalist, it's based out of the Bible, it's 6000 years old. It's not really all that common that people actually believe that people knew that these rocks were older than 6000 years.
00;38;51;24 - 00;38;55;11
Sarah
Know God created fossils just to play with our mind.
00;38;55;14 - 00;38;57;15
Mark
But then George goes on.
00;38;57;17 - 00;39;01;25
Sarah
He has his own theory. He has a day in God's time is a million years.
00;39;01;25 - 00;39;03;19
Mark
Maybe it's the eighth day.
00;39;03;19 - 00;39;05;01
Sarah
He's still resting.
00;39;05;05 - 00;39;10;16
Mark
He could make all sorts of other interesting things, like a horse that can run back water.
00;39;10;18 - 00;39;15;03
Sarah
Then it would never need to turn around. I love George's brain.
00;39;15;05 - 00;39;21;28
Mark
George's brain is fantastic and a great moment where Marcus George is say, Yeah.
00;39;22;01 - 00;39;27;21
Sarah
I kind of patch him on the head, sort of, okay, you're good at your job. That's nice.
00;39;27;23 - 00;39;30;21
Mark
Marion Allen is now in charge of the project.
00;39;30;27 - 00;39;33;02
Sarah
Yeah. So let's just unpack all of that.
00;39;33;02 - 00;39;43;06
Mark
So I don't. I don't like her ambition, and because she shows real remorse for losing him and then becomes incredibly ambitious.
00;39;43;06 - 00;39;52;04
Sarah
She was already ambitious and she liked Lucas because he respected her. But he shouldn't have. No, because she's evil.
00;39;52;04 - 00;39;54;08
Mark
She is evil.
00;39;54;11 - 00;39;58;01
Sarah
So she sees. Okay, So he starts it, right?
00;39;58;02 - 00;39;59;18
Mark
She sees him, killed him.
00;39;59;21 - 00;40;10;15
Sarah
Let's unpack it. Yeah. Sutton starts it by arts and crafts thing. The Big Bang. Yes. And quasi it as a trap. Berkeley finds it makes a big deal out of it.
00;40;10;20 - 00;40;12;11
Mark
DeWitt says it's fake.
00;40;12;11 - 00;40;18;07
Sarah
It says it's fake. Berkeley can't have that. So he hits DeWitt on the head with a pick.
00;40;18;10 - 00;40;20;00
Mark
Which is her pick.
00;40;20;02 - 00;40;33;01
Sarah
And she sees it happen. Yes. So then she blackmails him. Yeah, right. So Berkeley in cases, DeWitt, like a fossil, puts his body with all the other fossils on the train.
00;40;33;01 - 00;40;36;28
Mark
And he's a very body like fossil thing. Did you notice.
00;40;37;00 - 00;40;51;06
Sarah
Like a mummy? Yeah. Oh, no. It's a very special bone. Picks it up and just trust that he will get to it first. Yeah. I don't know why he thinks. Okay. Meanwhile she knows that he's done it and so they've made a deal that he's.
00;40;51;08 - 00;40;52;25
Mark
DeWitt. It's written on.
00;40;52;25 - 00;40;58;29
Sarah
This. Yeah. This is not a man's body. I know it's oozing.
00;40;59;02 - 00;41;00;06
Mark
And it has been.
00;41;00;12 - 00;41;07;27
Sarah
Yes. It would take so much plaster ballet as somebody who's made plaster molds.
00;41;07;29 - 00;41;08;24
Mark
Okay.
00;41;08;26 - 00;41;26;24
Sarah
Anyway, so she says, Look, I won't tell that you killed my boyfriend, the person who loved me and respected me. I see his death as an opportunity to get ahead. You have to make me. You had to put me in charge of the project When we get to Toronto. And he says, okay, just don't tell anybody that I killed him.
00;41;26;26 - 00;41;35;21
Sarah
So they get their Well, Berkley doesn't do it like the moment he steps off the train. So she gets upset. So she unpacks her boyfriend's body.
00;41;35;26 - 00;41;37;11
Mark
Accessory after the fact.
00;41;37;17 - 00;41;39;23
Sarah
Which is probably already oozy.
00;41;39;23 - 00;41;40;12
Mark
Yes.
00;41;40;12 - 00;41;49;23
Sarah
Vivisection. And puts his body in the mouth of a dinosaur. No, nobody sees it because there a chrome.
00;41;49;26 - 00;41;50;14
Mark
No.
00;41;50;17 - 00;41;52;15
Sarah
Because nobody behind that curtain.
00;41;52;19 - 00;41;53;11
Mark
There's a curtain.
00;41;53;16 - 00;42;16;07
Sarah
When she unpacks his liquefying body, she takes his necklace off. Yes. And puts it on. Oh, as a reminder to Berkeley, you promised. Yes. And I'm going to tell. Yeah. And then puts his body up for show. And then he's like, Yep, she's in charge of the project now. I got to go later. He's still putting a lot of trust in her.
00;42;16;14 - 00;42;18;17
Mark
Still putting a lot of trust in her.
00;42;18;18 - 00;42;38;25
Sarah
For my money, what would have happened is there would have been bodies packed in plaster. Yeah, because he would have been like, Oh, is this your hammer cock? Yeah, He would not have taken the chance. Oh, when he's talking about her in Murdock's office, about how she doesn't have the instinct, but she's very good at organization and file keeping or whatever.
00;42;38;27 - 00;42;40;05
Sarah
Just want to smack next match.
00;42;40;05 - 00;42;41;17
Mark
Max, Mac and Mac.
00;42;41;20 - 00;42;51;01
Sarah
Like Murdoch invented slapping machine and put him in it. If only Julia had been there when he said that, she would have lost her mind.
00;42;51;03 - 00;43;08;02
Mark
Well, there's a point where she's talking to Murdoch before this, where she's like, You wouldn't understand because you don't understand how professional women have to deal with men. And I'm like, that is primary in Murdoch's mind. Yeah.
00;43;08;04 - 00;43;09;10
Sarah
Girlfriend not.
00;43;09;16 - 00;43;11;09
Mark
To deal with this all the.
00;43;11;09 - 00;43;14;14
Sarah
Time when I think that's why he says, actually, I think I do.
00;43;14;16 - 00;43;23;22
Mark
And I'm glad he does say that because she is like makes that assumption. And clearly Murdoch is the worst person to make that assumption about, though.
00;43;23;22 - 00;43;36;04
Sarah
I don't know. I mean, even today in academia as an industry, it's it's I think it's there's still some remnants of women having those challenges more so than in other areas.
00;43;36;04 - 00;43;55;05
Mark
There's a fantastic book called Professor Mommy, which is about female academics, which even I'm I consider myself an enlightened, knowledgeable person of academia. Oh, there were so many things I had never thought about when it came to women, academia. Then my eyes were open by that book.
00;43;55;11 - 00;44;05;01
Sarah
But she's a bad person. McConnell is how she manhandled her boyfriend's dead body to make a point so she could get a promotion. It's like, Oh yes, why?
00;44;05;01 - 00;44;06;14
Mark
She is a bad person.
00;44;06;15 - 00;44;09;17
Sarah
Just turn him in. Yes, because if you just tell on him.
00;44;09;19 - 00;44;09;29
Mark
I.
00;44;09;29 - 00;44;17;12
Sarah
Would probably not be charged because you're providing evidence. Yeah, but now she wants to be in charge of the project. Morgan.
00;44;17;15 - 00;44;20;16
Mark
How long has it been since we fried bracken balls?
00;44;20;16 - 00;44;23;23
Sarah
A few minutes. Well, time for to do it.
00;44;23;23 - 00;44;29;06
Mark
To dose number, dose, number, dose.
00;44;29;08 - 00;44;31;16
Sarah
Here's a bone with a metal rod.
00;44;31;18 - 00;44;34;06
Mark
I love that news. Like, Oh, yeah, I did that.
00;44;34;13 - 00;44;38;08
Sarah
Yes, yes. Like, I mean that I did a good job.
00;44;38;08 - 00;44;41;10
Mark
I did. Did you watch what channel. Oh yeah. Really cool.
00;44;41;10 - 00;44;48;23
Sarah
Like I just got Professor Sadness kind of general. He's got to make money somehow or something. Not getting paid.
00;44;48;25 - 00;44;58;00
Mark
No, no. He does have a whole bunch of grad students now. I hate to come back to that, but that is definitely a thing that academics that.
00;44;58;03 - 00;45;03;26
Sarah
The writers understood. Yes. And then we have the Murdoch daydream scene to wrap it all up.
00;45;03;26 - 00;45;05;15
Mark
So it's all wrapped up.
00;45;05;17 - 00;45;10;25
Sarah
He says he's always wanted to go to the Badlands and look for fossils himself.
00;45;10;28 - 00;45;20;21
Mark
And so we have this weird moment where first we're like, okay, Murdoch's daydreaming here and then Murdoch's in his daydream.
00;45;20;21 - 00;45;21;28
Sarah
And he has a little boy.
00;45;21;28 - 00;45;24;02
Mark
He has a little boy.
00;45;24;04 - 00;45;25;29
Sarah
We have to wait for your mother.
00;45;25;29 - 00;45;26;25
Mark
Mother.
00;45;26;27 - 00;45;29;13
Sarah
Though, who is here with you? We don't get to see her.
00;45;29;13 - 00;45;30;12
Mark
Oh, you.
00;45;30;12 - 00;45;31;21
Sarah
Crafty Murdoch people.
00;45;31;28 - 00;45;39;29
Mark
Crafty Murdoch people. What I find weird is it feels like the last 10 minutes of the episode.
00;45;40;01 - 00;45;40;13
Sarah
Really?
00;45;40;15 - 00;45;42;05
Mark
It felt really long.
00;45;42;09 - 00;45;44;26
Sarah
It didn't feel that way to me. It got nice.
00;45;44;28 - 00;45;51;23
Mark
And I actually think they are in like, I don't think that's Toronto when they do that badly.
00;45;51;25 - 00;45;54;01
Sarah
I don't know how it could be. It's not greenscreen.
00;45;54;01 - 00;46;06;16
Mark
Yeah it's not green screen and that I don't think that's anywhere near Toronto like Toronto you have when you have stuff like that in Ontario it's got rock in it because it.
00;46;06;19 - 00;46;08;04
Sarah
To the shield.
00;46;08;06 - 00;46;10;24
Mark
It's Canadian shield. Yeah and a lot more trees.
00;46;10;27 - 00;46;13;15
Sarah
They would have had to find just the right angle to make it look that way.
00;46;13;16 - 00;46;18;09
Mark
So do you think they had how Lena Joy play the wife?
00;46;18;11 - 00;46;32;05
Sarah
It depends if they really did take a few actors all the way out to the Badlands to shoot those scenes. Yeah. No, no. They would have repurposed a woman they had on set already. But McConnell's too short. It's not her.
00;46;32;08 - 00;46;32;27
Mark
It's not her.
00;46;33;02 - 00;46;38;11
Sarah
But it could have been anybody who would fit and be kind of Julia. Like from the back.
00;46;38;15 - 00;46;41;14
Mark
A future. Murdoch has that fancy mustache.
00;46;41;14 - 00;46;44;03
Sarah
With the gray in it. Yeah, Yeah.
00;46;44;05 - 00;46;47;22
Mark
But we know that all of this is lies.
00;46;47;26 - 00;46;49;11
Sarah
Yes.
00;46;49;13 - 00;46;51;17
Mark
Because we've watched multiple seasons.
00;46;51;17 - 00;46;51;27
Sarah
Yeah.
00;46;52;01 - 00;47;07;22
Mark
So I have a question about this and, and this gets into spoiler territory, so we'll have to be careful. Do you think they had a plan for Murdoch and Julia this early? Yes. To the point where it is now in season 16.
00;47;07;25 - 00;47;14;21
Sarah
I don't know. Okay. I think they wanted them to be together right off the bat, but they knew they were going to throw some complications at them.
00;47;14;21 - 00;47;23;00
Mark
Yes. And they certainly do. Yeah. Like how many people, Julia, have to kill to get through this? Like a little.
00;47;23;02 - 00;47;27;09
Sarah
Yeah. We'll spoil the episode that we're covering, but we'll try not to ruin anything in the future.
00;47;27;09 - 00;47;37;12
Mark
Except for Enid. More on this. Where did you go in season two? Yeah, like, I was stunned. I forgot that she was seen in season two.
00;47;37;12 - 00;47;43;13
Sarah
So we can't really do Best Corpse because there's only the one in and he's he does good job on the if.
00;47;43;16 - 00;47;50;08
Mark
If that's a human being in that dinosaur model mouth. Yeah that is some fantastic body acting.
00;47;50;08 - 00;47;56;27
Sarah
Yeah. And if it's not it's a really good dummy. Yeah. This is the way its legs kind of hang is the way your legs would hang.
00;47;56;29 - 00;47;59;05
Mark
It's good for both. Yeah, definitely.
00;47;59;05 - 00;48;00;17
Sarah
Good. After the credits.
00;48;00;20 - 00;48;05;00
Mark
After the credits. Well, everybody goes to jail except for Sutton.
00;48;05;07 - 00;48;17;21
Sarah
Berkeley and McConnell are certainly going to jail. I'm glad that they're so serious about her being punished. Yeah, because she really. I mean, Berkeley's bad, but he does it in the heat of the moment. Yeah, she's.
00;48;17;23 - 00;48;22;29
Mark
She's crossing. And Murdoch is right there saying that she's accessory.
00;48;23;00 - 00;48;30;17
Sarah
Now, the waiter is actually just a street kid who Sutton has paid. Yes. To attack the man with a hammer. Yes.
00;48;30;17 - 00;48;32;22
Mark
I don't think Sutton gets in trouble for that.
00;48;32;22 - 00;48;36;01
Sarah
I don't either. And I don't think the kid ever gets caught.
00;48;36;04 - 00;48;39;09
Mark
In theatrical Sutton actually turns out to be.
00;48;39;09 - 00;48;42;14
Sarah
I know he's quite pleased with himself.
00;48;42;16 - 00;48;44;06
Mark
His guy did that.
00;48;44;10 - 00;48;51;03
Sarah
Yeah. And I hired that kid. Did it with a hammer do because he wanted to expose it. That kid would have had to hit it really hard.
00;48;51;03 - 00;48;54;03
Mark
And I to do it all myself because I have no gratitude.
00;48;54;03 - 00;48;58;23
Sarah
Yes. Are you ready for a horrible movie?
00;48;58;23 - 00;49;01;21
Mark
Oh, boy, am I ready for a horrible movie.
00;49;01;21 - 00;49;15;24
Sarah
I was. I was with Mark and I were eating lunch before we started recording, and I was like, I'm like a little kid. I may have found the worst movie to have ever been made. Wow, this is so exciting.
00;49;15;26 - 00;49;18;29
Mark
I pretty excited about the Hockey Hall of Fame thing.
00;49;19;03 - 00;49;30;12
Sarah
I'm glad that you were, and I'm glad that you caught that. But this bad movie is so bad and that.
00;49;30;15 - 00;49;31;20
Mark
So I.
00;49;31;23 - 00;49;32;19
Sarah
Can't contain.
00;49;32;19 - 00;49;38;28
Mark
It. I am predicting that I have heard of this movie, but I have not seen this movie. That's what I'm predicting right now.
00;49;38;29 - 00;49;40;07
Sarah
Okay. Okay.
00;49;40;12 - 00;49;42;12
Mark
Is this why have you know it's open? Yes.
00;49;42;13 - 00;49;55;26
Sarah
Okay. When I tell you there's something I want you to look at. Okay. This movie is from 1983. Okay. And Jordy Johnson, who plays Barkley. Yes. Barkley. In the episode, is in it.
00;49;56;03 - 00;49;56;18
Mark
Yes.
00;49;56;25 - 00;50;01;21
Sarah
Okay. The tagline is, it started as a game until death started play.
00;50;01;28 - 00;50;02;22
Mark
Okay.
00;50;02;24 - 00;50;09;05
Sarah
Here's the plot. The devil uses a role playing game to transform a young man into a serial killer.
00;50;09;07 - 00;50;10;15
Mark
Oh, so this is.