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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So we've spent a lot of time breaking down the plans of the elites, the great reset, June twenty thirty, kind of the whole nine yards. We've also talked about solutions, but something we haven't done as much is really try to understand what is the thinking of these people, these atheists or satanists or whatever you wanna call them. How do they look at us?
Seth Holehouse:What in their own minds justifies what they're doing? And really importantly, how do we defeat them? But what's next after that? So joining me today is an author I've had on before, that's Kent Hecken Lively. And he's actually just getting ready to launch a new book with Alex Jones that's talking specifically about this, talking about what is the plan of these elites, how to defeat it, and how to really launch the new Renaissance.
Seth Holehouse:So folks enjoy this interview with Kent Heckenlively. Kent, it's so great to have you back on the show. Thank you so much for making the time to be with us here today.
Speaker 2:Thanks for having me, Seth.
Seth Holehouse:So, you're someone that from my perspective has quite an interesting career, some part of your aspect of your career where you're a very, very well respected author, but you get to publish books with all these amazing people, you know, and dive into subjects that, you know, through your own expertise and their expertise that you're writing together with are just incredible. And it's interesting because, you know, there's I'll go ahead and pull up your next book you have coming out, is together with Alex Jones, called The Defeating the Globalists and Launching the Next Great Renaissance. And I tell you what, Kent, this is right up my alley. So why don't you give it give the audience, I know you've done the show before, but give us a quick background of yourself and then I really want to dive into this topic of your next book.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I like to say that I feel like I am the luckiest writer on the face of the planet. Okay? So, you know, like many writers, this is something I wanted to do since I was 12 years old. Okay.
Speaker 2:And I was lucky enough in 2013 to publish my first book with Doctor. Judy Mikovich, Plague. And then, we released another book in 2020 called Plague of Corruption, which just went nuts. Okay? So it got published, like 04/14/2020 in the midst of the pandemic.
Speaker 2:We are looking at all sorts of corruption in medical science, nothing to do with COVID. It was really looking at the lies that had been told in HIV, the lies that had been told in autism, the lies that had been told in chronic fatigue syndrome, which was Judy Mikovits' area of expertise. But what people saw in that was the same pattern of lies that Fauci and company were telling the American public daily. And so they really looked at plague of corruption as the book to explain COVID, even though it had zero to do with COVID. And from that, I got springboarded into doing four books with project Veritas Whistleblowers where we looked at Google, we looked at Facebook, we looked at CNN.
Speaker 2:I've got another book coming out on diversity, the DEI agenda with David Johnson that hasn't been released on Amazon because that publisher is doing something a little bit different. It doesn't come out till release day, which is October 3. But what's happened is since I've been able to successfully take really smart people, like if you've ever had a chance to talk to Doctor. Judy Mikvich, she is a brilliant, brilliant woman, but like a lot of brilliant people, they're used to talking with people in their sphere. And so when they go out to the public, something gets lost in translation.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm the guy who makes sure that it doesn't get lost in translation. Since I did a great job with Judy Mikovits, and in fact in our third book together, or our fourth book together, which was called Ending Plague, Doctor. Luc Montignier, who was the 2,008 winner of the Nobel Prize for the discovery of HIV, pretty much demanded that I write a chapter about him, because he wanted it to be known that he was on the side of the good guys. Then I did this book, which I don't think has gotten the amount of attention it should have. It's called Presidential Takedown, but this was written with Doctor.
Speaker 2:Paul Alexander, who is a senior pandemic advisor under Trump. And what really went on behind the scenes of the COVID-nineteen task force and how even in the midst of the greatest public health emergency of the past century, that the deep state, whatever you want to call it, the bureaucratic state, wasn't interested in necessarily helping us, the public. They were interested in getting Trump out. And so that has sort of given me a certain cachet with the publishers where the publishers say like, okay, what's the next challenging story we can throw at Kent? And so in working with Alex Jones, it was kind of interesting because Alex had been working on a book called The Great Reset, and he was working with another writer and it wasn't quite coming together.
Speaker 2:So I got brought into the picture to sort of like get that book together. And you notice about 40% together. And so, even though my name wasn't on that book, I am mentioned in the acknowledgements as somebody who helped organize that book. And when that book did really successfully, then they said, Okay, we want you to do another book with Alex. And I said, That's great, but my name's got to be on the title this time since I'm taking it from zero to 60.
Speaker 2:So
Seth Holehouse:that's kind
Speaker 2:of how that came to be. And I'd worked with Alex before, so I knew his kind of style and everything. I was really looking forward to it because for my standpoint, I'm an attorney by training, but for the past twenty years I've been a science teacher. But when I was a kid, I always wanted to be like the prosecutor, the guy like Elliot Metz. I wanted to be Rudy Giuliani going after the mob.
Speaker 2:You know, early in my legal career, I I I worked in with US attorney's office and, you know, I started to get a little different perspective. And I have to say, even at the times where I really, you know, wanted to be a prosecutor, I was fascinated by the defense attorneys, the people, you know, like William Kunstler, Jerry Spence, Alan Dershowitz, you know, the the single guy standing up to the system. And so, you know, it's kind of funny as you get older, you know, you find yourself moving a little bit, you know? And so, you know, the thing I always thought about being a prosecutor was that like, I was gonna find the real bad guys. And, you know, most of the bad guys who get prosecuted by the criminal justice system are not people like me who have had every advantage in life.
Speaker 2:And so I I kind of feel like what what's happened, you know, the the real criminals are the white collar criminals. You know, the people who are running the intelligence agencies or, you know, running big pharma or big ag, big you know, take your pick. And so I kind of feel like I've sort of changed, but not changed. It's like I had my idea of what I wanted to do in my life. And so I feel like in some sense I'm a prosecutor, and yet in the other sense, I'm a defense attorney because I I felt like, okay.
Speaker 2:If there's anybody who needs a good defense attorney, it's it's Alex Jones. And I get to make the case for the Alex Jones philosophy and filter on the world in the pages of a book. I like it because, you know, I get to say what I think and I get to make my arguments and back it up with evidence. I mean, this new book with Alex Jones is really interesting because my editor at the publishing house, I just have to say, is one of the most reserved people I've ever come across. Okay?
Speaker 2:So, you know, I worked with her on, like, 10 books, and, you know, you you work your ass off on on a book and you send it into your editor at that publishing house and you want her to come back and say, like, oh, this is great. This is wonderful. This is gonna be a bestseller. You know, they never say that. And so it was kinda funny when I was, you know, sent this into her, and and I and she she gave me back her notes and everything.
Speaker 2:I said, Caroline, well, what do you think of the book? I understand, you know, all these little edits we gotta fix and, okay, the lawyers won't allow us to have that paragraph. And and she texted me back, and she goes, I think this book is gonna set the world on fire. I'm like, what? Okay.
Speaker 2:You're the most reserved person in the world. Okay. Good. I'm glad you're thinking that. So, you know, it's just it's been a great experience.
Speaker 2:And, you know, working with Alex has just really been a joy because, yes, he is one of the busy busiest people on the planet, but whenever, you know, I've been working on a section that, you know, he says, okay, do this, or, you know, it kinda gives me a lot of freedom. Like, you know, hey, you know, you know my shtick, you know, pick out the important things and then I'll tell you a yes or no. And, you know, whenever I got stuck with, hey, Alex, I just don't understand this. You know, I can't get the narrative to go to a place that makes sense. He would always text me back, okay, here's an article, here's a link, here's what you need to be thinking.
Speaker 2:Yes, you have come to the end of the line, but now this is the next step. And I go, oh, okay. So really, just a joy, to work with a man even though he's gotta be the busiest and most persecuted man on the planet.
Seth Holehouse:Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
Seth Holehouse:Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
Seth Holehouse:So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930, right? When people talk about the collapse the dollar or inflation, this is what it means. Now, let's take a look at gold.
Seth Holehouse:So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today. What can you buy with $4,000?
Seth Holehouse:Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals. It's not about getting rich.
Seth Holehouse:It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome. It's still around.
Seth Holehouse:It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine. He's a strong Christian patriot, and he's out to really help people to protect their savings and what you've worked for against the destruction of the dollar, not to mention also protecting it against the dangers of a central bank digital currencies.
Seth Holehouse:So to learn more about this, go to goldwithseth.com or call (720) 605-3900. Again, that's goldwithseth.com or (720) 605-3900. Both those places will allow you to set up a quick appointment where you can talk to a wealth advisor that will help get you started on this path. Again, goldwithseth.com 7 2 0 6 0 5 3 9 0 zero. Yeah, that's a between him and Trump, right?
Seth Holehouse:In terms of that persecution. So getting into the meat of the book. So I on this show, I spent a lot of time exposing the plans of the great reset and detailing everything from event two zero one to, you know, the lockstep, you know, with the Rockefellers and, you know, just kind of going into, you know, the UN, the WHO, the CCP, a lot of the, like, here's the evil plan, but I've also tried to, as difficult as it is, bring in the other side of that, which is, here's how we beat it, right? Here's how we defeat them. And that's what I'm really interested in hearing your perspective on.
Seth Holehouse:So the book, which I'll bring up here one more time, and I'll put the link to it in the description below, is The Defeating the Globalist and Launching the Next Great Renaissance. So I really want to focus on those two things. One, how do we defeat the globalists? But two, and almost more importantly is what is launching the next great Renaissance? And what does that look like?
Seth Holehouse:So I'll let you start wherever you think is the best the best place to start.
Speaker 2:Okay. In defeating the globalists, the first thing you have to do is understand them. And see, this is where I think my background as an attorney is is really critical and unique among a lot of writers, especially in the political sphere, which is a good attorney has a mind space which is different than their clients. The client only sees their point of view. A good attorney is trained to say, Okay, what does it look like from the other side?
Speaker 2:How the opposition? How do they view the world and what's their plan of attack? And so to understand the globalist, what you have to understand is their underlying thinking. So what Alex was really great in illuminating for me is that the globalist their evolution can be traced directly to the social Darwinists, okay? So people like Francis Galton.
Speaker 2:And so you look at that and you understand that there's this perspective, which is that, okay, somebody in society is going to dominate. The elites are going to dominate the non elites. Okay? And then how does that get changed? How do we determine who is an elite?
Speaker 2:Well, their answer is the elites are those who got the education specifically in the sciences. And so the idea is that there's this managerial class. So it's like they're really comfortable with this idea of elites and that they know better. You take into consideration also the atheistic nature of that mindset. So, the managerial scientific class by and large doesn't believe in God and any superior power.
Speaker 2:So you have this terrible situation that, you know, what I argue and what Alex argues is about how belief in God is a moderating influence on our behaviors. If we believe that there is a Supreme Being who watches over us, and we're going be called to account for what we do to other human beings, we're going to be much better in our social relationships. Well, these social Darwinists, these globalists don't believe that at all. Okay? And so one of the things that's interesting, and I think why the first book, The Great Reset has been so successful, and it's kind of funny because now it's got over 4,000 Amazon reviews, and I go and I read every single one of them because I think the job of an author is to understand how they're coming across.
Speaker 2:And lot of reviews talk about it's warmer, more compassionate, more analytical than they might hear from Alex. And Alex does a fantastic job, but I think a book lends itself to a little bit of a different presentation. But what we see is that the globalists really think they can do a better job managing the world without input from the public. See, if you are a genuinely religious person, your view of the world is I am equal to every other human being on the planet. Okay?
Speaker 2:And so I will share my perspective, but I will have a little bit of humility that I don't know everything. And so that's why you have a culture which supports free speech because if you're a genuinely religious person, you say, I have a limited perspective. God has the unlimited perspective. And so what I need to do is I need to interact with as many of God's creations as possible to get the fullest possible picture of the world. But these social Darwinists and these globalists, it's really interesting to read actually what they say.
Speaker 2:And I cite them in the book, and, you know, they'll be saying things like, well, you know, our world population needs to be reduced by 80 to 90%. I'm like, well, shit. How are you gonna get there? You know? I'm sorry that that And then, you know, you run across things like Yuval Noah Harari, who is sort of like the intellectual, you know, great beacon of of the great reset and and the World Economic Forum.
Speaker 2:And, you know, he talks about the global useless class or the global useless people who, you know, his view, you know, they're eventually gonna be useless. So what are we gonna do with them? Well, we're gonna give them psychedelic drugs, and we're gonna put them into virtual reality, and to call them a useless class. And other people use the term useless eaters, but, you know, when I and others read stuff like that, what we hear are echoes of early Nazi thought. And they actually have this expression, which I can't remember the German version, but the English translation is basically life unworthy of life.
Speaker 2:Okay? And so when you have that framework that, oh, there's these global useless people who are coming, don't know they're useless yet, but AI is gonna render them useless. Well, you remove them from the category of humans that we care about. And whenever you do that, I think that in your brain you have to be saying, Oh my God, this is Nazi thought. This is early Nazi thought, and it's terrifying.
Speaker 2:So, you know, just document
Seth Holehouse:So, I'll throw a quick point there. So, interesting listening to you because I think a lot of this is really it's art of war, right? Know yourself, but know your enemy. Right? And then so and this is very helpful because I think that a lot of folks know the enemy's plans, but they may not know the enemy, right?
Seth Holehouse:I think that what you've done is you've gotten into their, into their minds to understand how they think about things, because then I think it gives us a lot of power. And so what I've got, what I've taken away from this is, you know, to kind of distill it into my understanding of it is just that they're atheist, therefore, they believe in survival of the fittest, right, you know, the basic laws of Darwin. And so they believe that because they have the money and the power and the control over the governments and the corporations, etc, that they're at the top of the food chain. Therefore Yeah. Therefore, it's their responsibility to continue gaining that power.
Seth Holehouse:And the more powerful they become, the further down that rung of the food chain we get. So in the same way, let's just say, go to, you know, nature, like you have the gorillas, you have the giant gorilla that no other gorilla challenges him because he's just the all powerful and he kills the other gorillas, and he maintains that position. Some other small gorilla coming from a neighboring tribe, he's just gonna kill that gorilla because in his mind, it's just I'm in charge, and I'm the leader, and there's nothing else beyond that. So it's like, it's like because they don't believe in God, It's almost as if if you don't believe in God, and you only believe in survival of the fittest that those who are at the top of the of the food chain are God. And that's how they view themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it's it's really it's instructive to do it that way because I think that it gives you it gives you a framework for understanding these people. And and to to say, okay, Claus Schwab, tell me about your belief in God. You know, let's make it really effective. Do you believe Claus Schwab I I I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:I'm doing something. Sorry. Do you have a audience? No. You, Claus Schwab, do you believe in God?
Speaker 2:No. Okay. What do you believe in? I mean, this is really simple. Do you believe that we are created in the form of our creator, that no human being has more intrinsic worth to God than another?
Speaker 2:And he would say, well, reject all of that. Okay, what do you believe? And attack them on their thinking because this is where I think the fight really is. And the thing that is funny to me is that I refer to the globalist as sort of like the chess club in high school. Okay?
Speaker 2:So the chess club in high school is composed of all the brainiacs, right? And, you know, the kids who think they know best. And, you know, if the chess club marched into the principal's office and said, hey, we're the smartest kids in the school. You know, let us run the student government and let us run the football team. Okay?
Speaker 2:So it would be a disaster. Okay? The football team would be terrible, and we know the cool kids get to be student council president and everything, and they're the jocks and everything. They actually know how things work. Right?
Speaker 2:And so the problem that these globalists have is that they can't really run things as long as they're around their own kind. Well, it's like being in this chess club. Okay. We're all smart and everything. Okay.
Speaker 2:So members of the chess club, go have a conversation with the members of the football team about how the school should run. It won't work out. Okay? It'll kind of be a slaughter of the chess club. And that's the problem these globalists have because they come up with all their plans for us.
Speaker 2:You know, it's it's sort of like Mark Zuckerberg going like, oh, I'm gonna come up with meta, and we're gonna go into the metaverse. And and, you know, as we detail in the book, well, his his meta gamble has lost him over $20,000,000,000 in value for Facebook and probably even more. So that's the good news is, yeah, they get together at Davos and they come up with all their evil plans and everything. They're not evil plans to them, but to us they are. And then they try to pull this crap on us and we just laugh at them.
Speaker 2:And it's why we need to be aggressive about them. Need to say, Do you believe in God? Do you believe that there's a supreme power? How do you see the future of the world going? You say, your guys say, and we quote them, 80 to 90% of the people on earth shouldn't be here.
Speaker 2:How are gonna achieve that? And, you know, lies fall apart in the glare of truth. And so that's, you know, what what we're trying to do with these books.
Seth Holehouse:Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
Seth Holehouse:This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
Seth Holehouse:So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
Seth Holehouse:This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way, if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, a lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar.
Seth Holehouse:They're filling the buckets with a bunch of filler and junk like sweet beverages, etc. But Heaven's Harvest, they focus on very high quality food that will last up to twenty five years on the shelf. They also sell heirloom seeds. You can buy all of your seed, you can buy all of your restorable food. And look folks, personally, I would recommend having at least three months per person in your household, if not six months or even a year.
Seth Holehouse:Again, depends on your budget, but I'll definitely make sure you have some seeds because that seed, those seeds could be worth their weight in gold, if not more in the future. So to go ahead and do this right now, go put up a new tab and go to heavensharvest.com. And if you use the promo code Seth, that's s e t h, promo code Seth, you'll save 15% off of your entire order. So again, folks, the time is running out and you'd rather be three months or one year early than one day late. Again, heavensharvest.com and use promo code Seth to save 15% today.
Seth Holehouse:And so in terms of them actually being defeated, I mean, I have to agree with you. If you look at a lot of their initiatives, a lot of them just they fall flat. You could even argue that the whole pandemic, in many ways fell flat from what I think they wanted to achieve with it. Meta is a great example. I know there's been a lot of, you'll say, global, you know, ID programs or, you know, the the digital passports and those things have also fallen flat.
Seth Holehouse:They haven't been adopted. And so I I can see that perspective. Those are indicators that their plans aren't working. It almost, especially here in America. Like, take some, you know, some German or or Swiss Swiss man with an accent coming in, trying to tell the Americans that they must give up their guns and eat zebugs.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, you have these Americans are gonna be like, well, screw you, man. You hear the clicking of a shotgun. Like, that's just that's what it's like in America is such a disconnect. And so what do you what are the actionable steps? Because obviously, I'm not gonna be able to go confront Klaus Schwab and say, you know, what is your belief in the Creator and have that conversation, but so what are the what are the active ways that we can, you know, participate in the destruction of their plans?
Speaker 2:Active noncompliance.
Seth Holehouse:Bingo.
Speaker 2:I I I heard this I I I heard this great thing from, oh my god, Andrew Tate. And he and he was talking about the masking situation. And so he said, okay, here's what I did. So I'd walk into a store and it wouldn't have a mask. And so the clerk would come up to me and say, hey.
Speaker 2:You need a mask? And he'd go, I don't have a mask. And so the clerk, you know, would go and get him a mask, and he'd go, oh, thank you. And then he'd take the mask, he'd, like, drop it on the floor and go, oh my god. I I I'm sorry.
Speaker 2:It's dirty now. I can't wear that mask. It's it's unsanitary. And so, you know, the guy goes back and gets another one and, you know, does that three or four times. And then, you know, fourth time, he's like, okay.
Speaker 2:I'll put it on. And he he puts it half over the ear, but, you know, it's not on his mouth. Oh, no. That's that's the way I wear my mask. You know?
Speaker 2:And the the idea was that we we just gotta slow it down. And so Andrew Tate's point was, look, ten, fifteen guys do that to that same clerk, he's gonna give up because he's not invested in it. He's doing it because that's what his boss tells him to do. And so active noncompliance, you know, nonviolent, noncompliance, you know, just massive, massive. And one of the things that I do, in this space, I find that not enough commentators are satirical.
Speaker 2:They do not understand the value of humor and sarcasm for going after these people. The globalists are aggressively stupid. Okay? That's something that just got to know. Like the members of the chess club, they live in fear of being made fun of.
Speaker 2:So we have to aggressively make fun of them. And, you know, because that's something that they are terrified of. And it's why, you know, during the pandemic, did you notice how many of the comedians just shut the hell up? And you found yourself going, well, wait a minute. I always thought, you know, the the comedians were the renegades.
Speaker 2:You know, they're the ones who make us, you know, they provoke us in uncomfortable places. But, oh my god. You know? What what was that host who, you know, did the song advance about the vaccine?
Seth Holehouse:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you go, wait a minute. This ain't comedy. This is propaganda. So we just have to aggressively confront them, poke fun at them, and make them uncomfortable, and, you know, and they fail.
Seth Holehouse:And something that's helped give me the right perspective on that is that when you start looking into the detail of the mechanisms of their control, their propaganda, their brainwashing, the layers upon layers upon layers of, you know, hypnosis that they use in the media, it's apparent that they're trying to control us through using the social structures and shame and guilt. Like they have to use other people to try to control us because they don't have any control over us. They really don't. Because if they came in and they said, Okay, you're gonna go in that FEMA camp, and they tried to force us that that would cause an absolute revolt. And so it shows you, I think that they're actually very weak in their ability to control us and they're relying on, you know, these these psychological campaigns and these psy ups that control us and but if you but if you kind of deconstruct that a little bit, then it comes down to the fact of like, well, yeah, if you just don't go along with it, and you mock them, they lose their control.
Seth Holehouse:Right, like the the chess players you keep referencing, I imagine that what would happen if they went to the football players is they didn't get in stuffed into lockers. And that's where they would they'd be screaming in a locker overnight until the next morning someone would come get there there'd be a pile of urine and they'd be sobbing and they'd want to go home and just play video games the rest of the year. They wouldn't even want to confront them. They're so they're so weak. It's it's interesting.
Speaker 2:Well, look look at what's happening to Hollywood. Okay? You know? And and, you know, I come from this is something that I I think I'm a little different than many people who who are conservative is I absolutely love the arts. Okay?
Speaker 2:I love literature. I believe literature has a central role in our society. It's supposed to teach us how we be good human beings. I think that that that is the classical definition of literature, and it upsets me that so many of these leftists have come into the literature realm and made it all about structures of power and, you know, we have to count how many times the word white is used in in, you know, a story. No.
Speaker 2:No. It it's literature is and the arts are about how do we live a fully authentic life being of the greatest value and not detriment to our fellow human beings. And what you're seeing is that as Hollywood has become infected by this woke mind virus, they are failing time and time again to tell stories that motivate people. Okay? You know, I always like to look at success.
Speaker 2:I am a student of success. So I see something like Top Gun, okay, which blew the competition away at the time nobody else was going to see the movies. And Tom Cruise understands that the journey of a hero, which is what we all want to be, is about sacrifice, about self sacrifice, about loving something so much more than yourself. And in this, it's that he loves the son of his friend Goose who died in the first film, and that he is willing to put his plane in the path of a missile to protect the son of his friend. Okay?
Speaker 2:There is no greater love that a person can have for the world, and then they put themselves on the line. Similarly, the movie Sound of Freedom, you know, confronting child trafficking. Huge, huge hit. All these other woke pieces of crap that, you know, are about, oh, you're really feeling bad about yourself and, you know, girl power. You know, female power is great.
Speaker 2:Male power is great too. Okay? We're different, but we're both equally valuable. And so when there's this disconnect, when these stories are designed to be unfair to one group, people turn it off. And they've been doing that in droves.
Speaker 2:So, you know, Hollywood is confronting this problem of they know that the money is not in non woke projects. The money is in delivering value to people, giving them messages which resonate with their good souls, and encourage them to be better people.
Seth Holehouse:Exactly. Exactly. So, I want to round out the discussion talking about launching the next great renaissance because that's something that I'm fascinated with. As much as there's a lot of conversations about, here's the globalist plans, here's how we defeat them. I find that it's not as easy for us to mentally envision or you know, create the shape of the world after they're defeated.
Seth Holehouse:Like what's that look like? And that's, and I think that's really important because vision is what really guides so much of what we do, even at a very subconscious level of what we think, where we think we're going to be. But it's been difficult to form a vision of what life could be like when we're not living under the control of these psychopaths. And so what does it look like? And what is the next great renaissance?
Seth Holehouse:How does that come into play?
Speaker 2:It's a great question. And so we go kind of back in history to look at things how, you know, Martin Luther hammering his questions on the door of that church in Wittenberg, Germany challenging the Catholic church couldn't have understood that the questions he raised in the religious sphere would resonate into the scientific realm. That what happened was the Catholic church was the undisputed authority over Christian doctrine. Well, Aristotle was the undisputed expert on all things in the world. This was information which was seventeen hundred, eighteen hundred years out of date, but they were still following it.
Speaker 2:And so once you were free in the religious sphere, you could then start to question Aristotle and say, Do we know you know, the truth about the natural world? And so I and one of the images that we have in the book that we talk about is the Exodus story, you know, Moses is chosen to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, and he does, and they're at the Red Sea. And, you know, Pharaoh has sent his armies there, and, you know, the Israelites, you know, see the Egyptian army coming close. And what they start doing is they start, you know, criticizing Moses. You know, what did you do?
Speaker 2:You know, this was a terrible idea. This was a terrible idea. And, you know, Moses takes you know, talks to God and and God's responding we can in resisting these people. And yet at the same time, the future will look like. But what is important for us to do in our time is to say the truth, have courage, stand up, and then let's see what starts happening.
Speaker 2:Because from my perspective in the books that I've done with a lot of these leading scientists is it seems pretty clear that after being exposed to the campaigns against them, the hatred and everything, they think that a lot of these diseases can actually be fixed without the huge pharmaceutical drug network that we have, that there are natural solutions. Know, some of them, you know, entail work on our part. Know, for example, what was the number one indicator of fatalities in COVID? It was obesity. Know, So America, maybe you have to lose ten, fifteen pounds.
Speaker 2:Okay? Take responsibility. Yes, I understand. A lot of food that is out there is really non food crap. Yes, they've made it addictive.
Speaker 2:You have to make those decisions not to take the addictive crap food and maybe spend a couple extra dollars to get good healthy food. Also, what do we know about human beings? Well, more than one hundred thousand years, we lived in relatively small bands of 40 to 60 people with whom we had very close relations. So maybe this effort to spend five or six hours a day communicating with your 2,000 followers on Twitter is not really good for the human experience. Maybe what you ought to be doing is you should be investing in relations with five or six people close to you and making those relationships good and strong.
Speaker 2:Because also what I see that the globalists are looking to do is they're looking to separate us from each other, okay? You know, that's what I love about literature and a good movie and everything is if it has human values, what happens is we understand we're more alike than we are different. And so all of this crap that comes down from the mainstream media poking us to fight with each other is just something that you gotta resist. You know? Resist the sugar rush of hatred.
Seth Holehouse:And so, understanding the complexity of these plans and all the different elements, do you think that we will win? I mean, do you think that, you know, we the people, do you think that the useless eaters, the ones that by and large believe in God or in you know, in other cultures and believe in a higher power, you know, a higher order to things? Do you believe that ultimately we will be the ones that win and survive and thrive and that these atheists, if not, you know, atheists or satanic or whatever mix of messy stuff that these these creatures are, that ultimately they will be the ones to to perish on Earth and that that we will enter into this age of living without the control of the cabal.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I think we need to be joyous and filled with optimism. And here's kind of why. Because to me, the signs are so incredibly strong that so many people understand at this point what's being done with them. Perfect example, Tucker Carlson.
Speaker 2:Okay, he's on Fox News, and pretty much 05:00 every night on the West Coast, I'm turning on Tucker because I'm going, hey. I gotta watch the Tucker suicide segment because I can't can't believe that he's saying all the crappy the stuff he's saying, and he's getting away with it on Fox. Okay? And so but think about it. Three to 4,000,000 people a night would tune in to Tucker on Fox.
Speaker 2:Okay? So So I'm one of the rare people. Right? You know, there's three twenty million people in the country and three or 4,000,000 are watching Fox. Well, what happens when he gets fired and he puts it on his own show on Twitter and he's getting fifty, seventy five, one hundred million people because what's happening is that people are saying, I want somebody who's authentic.
Speaker 2:Okay? I don't want the filter. Give me what you really think, not because I'm a mindless automaton who wants to be filled with the thoughts of somebody else, but because I wanna hear raw thoughts, whether it's from somebody like Tucker, whether it's from somebody like Joe Rogan, whether it's some like somebody Russell Brand. You know, I think Robert Kennedy junior is doing, and Vivek Ramaswamy are doing a fantastic job of just being who they are. And, you know, and and so many of these voices who just break free from the matrix and say, hey.
Speaker 2:Look. I may have crappy production values. You know? I don't have all the the neat night graphics and everything. It's, you know, Joe Rogan just turning on the show and you're in his trailer for two or three hours having a conversation.
Speaker 2:These are the people who are dominating Jordan Peterson. You know? It's just it's it's extraordinary. So I am filled with optimism.
Seth Holehouse:I have to say I'm with you. I'm in that same that same boat. You know, the the independent media, I mean, we're we're just seeing massive, massive growth as more people are turning away from that. They're, you know, it's kind of the matrix. They're just unplugging that thing from the back of their heads that they that were used to to kind of put them into that slumber, that illusion.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know, I hear more and people more and more people talking about it. I mean, I was kind of like a Fox. I was a CNN listener for a long time, probably from, you know, 1980 to about February, probably 02/2002, '2 thousand '3, I switched to Fox. And, you know, now, you know, I go on Fox and I see the TikTok commercials.
Speaker 2:So I'm like, what the hell is China? China's TikTok doing advertising on Fox News. And and I'm like, you know, and Fox viewership is half of what it was when, you know, it was being held up by by Tucker. And I'm just like, I wish, you know, I I just I I wanna be able to, you know, hear voices who you know, I know they're gonna get it wrong because we're all human, But I want to know that they're really trying. And it's not because their advertiser is big pharma or China that we're getting this crap.
Speaker 2:And I feel like I'm I'm in the majority.
Seth Holehouse:I agree. I agree. So we've only got a minute or so left. But before we sign off, I wanted to just bring up your website. So KentHeckenLivelyBooks.com.
Seth Holehouse:So KentHeckenLivelyBooks.com. Yep. This is this the right place if people want to learn more about you, find your books, purchase your books? Is this what you'd recommend they Yep.
Speaker 2:And and also I am on Twitter at Ken Heckenlively. And so I've started doing a little, you know, video broadcast and you know, minute or two kind of what's going on with me so people can, you know, hear me on a regular basis, get my thoughts and you know, make the decisions whether they want to buy our books.
Seth Holehouse:Great. Well, Ken, thanks again for coming on. It's always a fun conversation with you and I look forward to getting the book actually, so this will be a good one to read. So thank you for what you're doing.
Speaker 2:Yep. Preorder now because we need to drive those sales.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. Well, there you go, folks. Preorder now. Alright. Thank you, Kent.