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Welcome to "Visionary Voices" the podcast where we dive into the minds of business owners, founders, executives, and everyone in between.
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Let's begin.
So Gary, thank you for joining me on today's episode.
So can you give us a top level view of what it is that you do and your journey so far?
I have a breakthrough process that has healed thousands of people and families and ignited
leaders to create miracles.
my early success was I, this process supported Marquees in creating Herbalife.
which at one point was the fastest growing company in America.
It also helped Ron McMillan and Joseph Grany bring twelve million people out of poverty
using microloans.
It also saved Bert Menell's company that today is
saving hundreds of premature babies' lives every day.
I apologize, I'm going to have to put my phone on.
Yeah, no worries.
These things can be out afterwards anyway, so it's all good.
Yes.
Yes.
Should I repeat that last thing or not?
Okay.
So it saved Burt Bennell's company that today is saving hundreds of premature babies'
lives every day.
And when I have...
And like that who know that they have the potential to really skyrocket.
I have them do my retreat, which is called The Awakening.
It's the most powerful thing that I offer.
And then sometimes, if they have the right vehicle, I do percentage coaching, where what I
do is
I coach them and then when they blow up their income like Harvey, I took them from like a
quarter million a year to like 70, 80 thousand a month and then with those people I take a
percentage of the increase.
Yeah.
Very, cool.
Yeah, yeah.
So I mean, how did it all begin for you?
You know, because I know you've been in space for, you know, over 40 years.
So what was that introduction into into this side of the coaching and everything?
Well, I was incredibly blessed that I actually, my first mentor, well, when I was 19, I
spent three years living in a place called Sidhu Foundation run by an unrecognized genius
who was literally generations ahead of his time.
Like, so like when...
was too young at the time to notice how far ahead of his time he was.
But when I came to Salt Lake and started doing my own workshops, and I'd have
psychologists and therapists and people who'd been to all these other great workshops like
Tony Robbins and, know, and they had never seen anything like this.
So I began to realize how ahead of his time he was.
So when I was in CEDU Foundation, I had my first breakthrough.
and to give a short description.
It was like reliving a moment in my childhood where I was devastated because I didn't
stand up for my brother while some bullies were picking on him.
And when I relive that moment in a different way that people would take today called
reprogramming, when I got done with that breakthrough, like I sat back in my chair
And I could feel in my body like a suit of armor, all the years of tension that came from
trying, trying to be okay, trying to get it right, trying to please people, you know,
trying to avoid the bullies and all that stuff.
And then something miraculous happened and it was like an energy that came from the earth
and it
It lifted me and I, it was like getting in an elevator on my consciousness where I went
higher and higher and higher and higher and higher and all of sudden, I saw my true self
or my highest self or my divinity, whatever you want to call it.
And I saw who I am, the truth.
And in that moment, I knew that I was free.
And I knew that people I hear in the quote real world don't have a clue what that
experience is like.
I mean, you read about it in saints and gurus and people like that, you know.
And my first thought was thank you.
And my second thought was please don't ever leave me.
And my third thought was what if I could share this with people?
Hmm.
So that was the moment I became a healer.
And then of course, as I began doing, sharing this work, I began to realize it had
phenomenal implications for every aspect of life, for relationships, for their money.
Anything that raises people's self-concept is absolutely fundamental to getting to the
next level in whatever they want to do that with.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, I do know.
I completely, completely agree.
I mean, something that I was told before was, you know, most people in the context of
business, you know, don't have business problems.
You have personal problems showing in your business.
And so it's the exact same thing.
And it all comes back to that, you know, awareness of self to be able to, you know, figure
those things out.
As you mentioned, the awakening side of things to then move forward and actually then
grow, because we all have these mental blockers.
So, so, so I love that concept of, you know, awakening yourself.
Right, so then you can then move and progress and grow.
Yeah, because the truth is that for most people, the worst thing you can say about most
people is that they're just extremely clever at getting in their own way.
And most of that is subconscious.
So they don't even know why the same circumstances keep showing up.
year after year, you know, in their love life or in their business and, know, and so but
mostly what I do for people is help them to get out of their own way so they can show up,
so they can shine, so they can be the gift they came to be.
Hmm.
Yeah, no, no, for sure.
And, you know, where I'm at, you know, within my like career and the business and
everything, you know, I'm still in that stage of trying to trying to figure out, OK, why
do some of these things keep reoccurring in my life?
Why aren't I moving past these things?
And, you know, off the back of our first conversation, I really started thinking about,
you know, what do I need to start thinking through and what's there?
So, I mean, how can people, I guess, start this journey of, you know, awakening themselves
and start having that awareness about themselves?
What does that process do you think, you know, looks like?
Well, what we typically do is we have some introductory workshops like Success in All
Relationships or the Master Keys to Assure Your Success or Magical Realms of the Sacred
Self.
And when they get in these intro workshops, they basically are amazed at how these tools
that we give them that they're generally unaware of.
are so simple and easy and user friendly and they can absolutely create gentle rapid
changes and when people start to see the possibilities of how they could actually use
these tools to manage their consciousness because the truth is is that you know you'll see
people have goals and dreams and and they really
They really care about these.
They would almost give up anything to have such powerful dreams and visions.
And then what you notice is that they start to get stuck or procrastinate or avoid or
resist, even though they know there are things that would move them forward.
And they just keep noticing that they're avoiding or resisting or procrastinating, and
they don't know why.
Hmm.
And then we find out that it's all based on subconscious negative associations.
Like in one of our workshops called the Master Keys to Assure Your Success.
There's three keys to assure anybody's success.
And the first key is create a conscious game plan.
And you'll notice that even after people have a really great game plan, like they can go
to the smartest people they know and say, okay, if I do A, B, C, D, E, F, G, will I get my
dream?
And the smartest people they know will say, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good game plan.
You know what I mean?
yeah, definitely, definitely.
people try to create game plans and they're not conscious.
Like, I want to fall in love so maybe if I sit in front of my picture window in my house
the right man will just show up and look up there and go, you're the one.
But once they get enough feedback to have a really conscious game plan that everybody
agrees that would absolutely work, then you notice that they have places.
where they stop working their plan and they don't even know why.
Like even when I have people who have like a game plan where I just, wanna be more
organized.
I wanna be less busy.
I wanna stop being an overwhelm, know, something like that, right?
And it's very simple and it's a pretty simple game plan.
And then you'll notice there's something in the game plan.
They do one, two, three, four, and then somewhere in the game plan, they will not do it,
and they don't even know why.
It's because they have negative associations, like it could be something as mundane as
filing, or I work a lot with small business types, and they won't make the calls.
They resist making the calls.
You know what I mean?
And then we find out that filing or making the calls or whatever it is that would work
isn't that.
It isn't filing and it isn't making the calls.
It's a negative association to something that happened typically as a child that was a
devastating experience.
It was traumatic.
And they don't know why that thing, I mean something as mundane as filing.
Hmm...
Can be affected.
be an association to something negative and so they don't know why they keep resisting it,
you know?
that's that's so that's so interesting because again, I'm just thinking through you things
I'm doing and things that you know I'm probably resisting because you know I'm very much a
technical person and you know strategy this that and the other but as you highlighted
sometimes you make the best plan you know with that with everything in it, but then
there's those one or two areas which start to slip and the thing is that if one or two of
those areas start to slip it can feed into those other areas slipping as well and then the
plan derails and and you know you're now off track of where you want to get to so
So yeah, I'm just trying to compare it to things that I've done recently and everything.
It's such an interesting exercise.
I think everyone needs to go through this and really sit down.
What are the things that are repeating in my life?
And then starting to have that awareness as to why could it be those things?
But it's such a difficult question, I think, some people have.
They don't want to sit, I guess, with their thoughts and try and figure that side of it
out.
Yeah.
the first one is create a conscious game plan.
The second one, in order to make sure you don't stop working your game plan, you keep
moving forward, is we call it a no exits game.
Like the one, I don't remember his name, but the guy who when he brought the ships over to
America and his sailors were saying, we ought to go back.
And so he burned the ships.
boats.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very much so.
do that in our Master Keys to Assure Your Success workshop is we have them create a series
of consequences and rewards that are so powerful that they will absolutely work their game
plan.
Hmm
some people don't work good with consequences or they just do rewards.
But like I'll give you just a couple of examples.
Like Harvey, the guy I said who raised his income phenomenally.
He said he knew he was making enough money that he knew money was going to work as a
consequence.
So he said, OK, here's what I'll do.
He was doing this workshop with his 16 year old daughter and he just brought a brand new
Lincoln continental.
He said, if if I don't do my game plan, that that that that by this day.
my 16 year old daughter is gonna be able to take my brand new Lincoln Continental out all
night long, no questions asked, right?
See, not going to happen, see?
And I remember, and so then he got that, and I remember Marjolein Brugman.
And, Tom Bernard did it to get the property in Salt Lake across from Fashion Place Mall.
And now, him and his partners own the property across from Costco on 53rd South.
And, I remember,
Like Wes Hanna was a lawyer and there was a gig, like in those days he was used to making
150 an hour, it was a while ago.
But this was a $1,500 an hour gig.
So all the best law firms in Salt Lake were actually vying for it, right?
And he's a one man show.
But he said, look, money's not gonna work for me, but I tell you what, I hate the Ku Klux
Klan.
So as a consequence, if I don't work my game plan, I'm gonna donate $500 to the Ku Klux
Klan.
See, it ain't gonna happen.
See, he's gonna work his game plan, see?
And I've had ladies who said, I love my hair if I don't get.
all this done I'm gonna shave my head, right?
See?
And it's amazing how creative people come up and we don't create the game plan for them,
they create their own game plan.
know, Tom Bernard said he would give $2,500 of his Herbalife stock away, you know, like
that.
And then the rewards are also vital.
I mean, some people will do cold showers, you know, but the rewards, like I'm going to
take a trip to Hawaii or, you know, or they have small rewards like weekly rewards,
monthly rewards, you know what I mean?
Like I'm going to give myself a massage or whatever.
You know what I mean?
Mmm, mmm.
you know, sometimes a reward can be something that is like of service, like I'm going to
go play my guitar at an old folks home or something.
You know what mean?
Like that.
So the point is that by by creating a conscious game plan and then having a no exits game,
you watch people have unprecedented movement, unprecedented.
You know, I have.
Hundreds if not thousands of these kind of stories of people who did amazing things like
One of the gals who came into my program called movement to mastery She had never made a
movie, but she really wanted to make movies.
That was her dream
So she used this year-long program to make a movie, and it actually won an award at
Sundance.
And so she's still making movies.
I've had people who wanted to be an actor, and then they actually are now getting parts in
movies.
You know what I mean?
Like that, right?
Now the third, go ahead.
I'll let you talk, and then I'll say the third part.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, again, that's such a great way of thinking through things, you know,
there's set yourself, you know, what is the task you're going to do part of your game
plan?
What's the negative consequence of you not doing that and make it where it's going to
actually hurt and that's something you just isn't on the cards for you to do.
And then also that but then also having the reward system to possibly reward that behavior
on those incremental basis and that will then reaffirm and realign that.
you can do this task and it's good for you to do this task because you're changing your
behavior.
And I guess that's how behavior change, right?
Is that you need to have that positive outcome, you know, associated with it to change the
behavior and get things moving in the right direction.
Yeah, yeah.
And you know, the smartest people that come through my programs, they don't play around.
They don't just play small.
Like they make it big enough on both sides so that they know because their dream is that
important to them.
And then, of course, if they make unprecedented movement, everybody has great gifts and
strengths and talents, you know.
So I'll give you the third part and then I'll show some other stuff.
So the three
Keys, the three master keys to assure your success are one, a conscious game plan, two, a
no exits game.
And then once people start to really make unprecedented movement toward their dream, guess
what happens?
Nothing scares people more than moving toward their success.
You know what mean?
Like people think,
mean.
People think the fear of failure is the big one, right?
No.
Compared to the fear of success, fear of failure is a wussy, right?
So the moment they start to see themselves have unprecedented movement, then it's like
their, what we call their fight or flight mind kicks in and it starts to, you know, come
up with all kinds of scary thoughts and feelings.
And so then the third important key is to actually
learn processes that you can do to dissolve your doubts, your fears, your emotional
triggers, the scary thoughts that have, that get you in a state of panic.
You know, things aren't going my way.
You know, it doesn't fit my pictures, right?
So we have like eight to 10 of the, of what I consider
the cutting edge processes in helping people to dissolve those kinds of doubts and fears
and emotional triggers.
We have a list and people, we teach them how to go down the list.
Like the first one is to learn how to hang up the phone when they have a negative thought
to just take that negative thought, put it in the other room and then refocus.
on something that makes your heart sing.
In other words, do something, laugh or sing or whatever that changes your state of being.
mean, Tony Robbins, thank God, made it popular for people to know that if you want better
results, you got to change your state of being.
So number one is hang up the phone.
But then we go through a whole series of things, recreation and empowerment dialogue.
You know, I'll just mention this empowerment dialogue is this tool that came out of
Gestalt Therapy.
And I evolved it.
once people learn how to do this incredible thing, it basically you put two chairs facing
each other and you talk out loud to yourself.
Mm-mm.
let both sides of any, you know, like I wanna do my private practice, but I've got a job
and I make money and it's secure, you know.
And so if they let both voices talk out loud, not up here, out loud.
then they absolutely, every single time, will get resolved and come to a decision that
they feel good about, that is true to their self.
You know what I mean?
So, once they learn this tool, if they have time to do this tool on any important
decision, they will never make a bad decision for the rest of their life.
Wow, yeah, I can see how that works and it makes so much sense because I think in
everyone's minds, you you do have those two voices and it can get noisy, right?
Especially when emotions are high and things are going wrong.
Very noisy and, you know, you just don't know what to do sometimes and it paralyzes you
and you don't know which voice to listen to and getting out loud and actually essentially
having a conversation with yourself.
And I know some listeners are probably listening to this thinking like, well, I'm not
going to sit and have a conversation with myself.
But ultimately,
These are the types of activities which you don't always think about, but you should start
looking to do because this is going to help you get to the next level.
Like it is all in the mind.
Anything that you want is all in the mind.
And I think especially for entrepreneurs and early founders, it can be very difficult to
grapple with that.
And sometimes you think it's just going to be on your, just your inputs and everything,
but it's your inputs as well as your state of mind and your state of being and making sure
everything's aligned, ready to go.
And that's when you're going to see the next steps.
Absolutely.
I've had, like, I've done workshops for AT &T and Mass Mutual and Xerox and Einstein
Bagels.
And then I teach them these processes.
And what I love about empowerment dialogue as an example is that once you learn that tool,
like in my Movement to Mastery program, everybody has, they go through that workshop and
they learn how to do that process.
So they do it all the way through their program.
And then of course, they never stop doing it for the rest of their lives.
Because they get how, you know, do I want to go through
like two years of things not working out and beating myself up?
Or do I want to spend 60 minutes doing a process, you know, so I can get get out of the
thoughts and the feelings and everything that's stopping me?
You know, it's kind of like, let's see, two years, 60 minutes, you know, two years or five
years or 10 years or 60 minutes, you know.
exactly that.
Exactly that.
think like my background, you know, getting into just, you know, working everything.
Initially it was in trading and we doing a lot of character trading and everything.
And that's massively, you know, psychological, the things you've got to work through and,
you know, buying and selling and all these other things.
And so then, you know, I was always trying to figure out, okay, what do need to be aware
of?
trying to piece it together, but I struggled to put it into words, like how you explained
it today, right?
You've really broken it down in such a simple way.
Yeah.
now it leaves, you know, does anyone listening to just get started that they know exactly
what they need to do to begin the process of having this awareness and having a style with
themselves and be able to get to that next level for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
So basically the three steps are conscious game plan, no exits game, and then processes
that get you out of your own way so you can keep making unprecedented movement.
Hmm, definitely, definitely.
I guess going back to, you know, your development over the years, maybe not right at the
start, but just over time, have there been any other, you know, mentors or significant
people in your life that's helped shaped this, this way of thinking as well?
Is any, any, any powerful people come to mind?
actually, I've in my career.
Like early on, I basically did everything in my field I could do, like I did asked and I
did Native American ceremonies and gestalt therapy and hypnosis and NLP and all kind of.
And I loved all of them.
And I worked with some of the giants in our field.
And I kept having profound revelations.
As a matter of fact, I'll tell you one interesting experience.
When I was working with the greatest therapist in the country at a place called the Center
for Feeling Therapy in Los Angeles, I had this profound moment.
The guy, Steve Gold, was the therapist who took John Lennon through primal therapy.
And he was my therapist.
And
During one of his intensives, this woman was having a really hard time talking about her
big hangup.
I think it was being overly critical.
She felt like she'd ruined her children's lives.
And while she was talking, I had this profound revelation where I suddenly realized that
her greatest
hang up was in reality her greatest gift.
Like when people are children, their greatest gift are like lights that shine out from
their body.
So when they get slapped down by live parents or teachers or kids or whoever, that energy
has to go, it gets slapped down and then it has to go in the opposite direction.
So.
I realized that her greatest gift was being sensitive.
But the way she protected, defended her sensitivity was by being overly critical.
Like if you go to any office building at any company, there's always people will talk
about someone in the office they call the bitch or the jerk.
You know what I mean?
And those are the most sensitive people.
Hmm.
So in that moment, I literally saw the perfection of human beings.
I literally realized that human beings do not have hangups.
They do not have shortcomings and weaknesses.
They are ultimately perfect.
They have great gifts, strengths, and talents that then when they have to defend
themselves,
and they create these defenses, they become all the shortcomings and weaknesses that
people wrestle with.
So when I wrote my book a few years ago, I put in there, like, what's the great strength
of anxiety or depression or being overweight or, you know, I put all the different things
that people criticize themselves for and showed how every one of them is a great gift,
strength or talent.
So the way that that moment affected my work was in the
early days like in the 70s, almost all of the workshops that were around at that time were
confrontational in nature.
It was kind of like take responsibility for your life, you know, like that.
And so I was really brilliant at that particular tool.
But when I had that experience and thought people are perfect, I thought, wonder what
would happen if I took all the confrontation out of my workshops.
and I focused on what's right with people.
So I did a little experimental three-day workshop, right?
And I just have all these processes, like all my workshops a day and the awakening, the
retreat is the ultimate of that.
I did a little experimental three-day workshop and I saw miracles I had never seen before.
Like I had a lady who literally reversed irreversible cancer, which is impossible, right?
Like at the beginning of the workshop, I was saying how people create everything that's in
their life, and she was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute.
You're saying that I created this bozo I have for a husband?
You know what mean?
Well, on the third day, all of a sudden her eyes get really big and she starts to cry.
And when she could finally talk again, she said, I gave myself the cancer so I could get
out of the marriage.
She sourced it.
I had cancer patients showing up for a year.
And so I love it that in my workshops today, every workshop, all of them, are about...
how do we shower people in everything that's right about them, what I call the sweetheart
message, so they can realize, it's like, before people do my workshops, even when they
come in for my private practice, they often will say, how many sessions do I have to do
before I can be cured?
You know what I mean?
Like that, you know?
And the come from in that is maybe if I can fix this then I'll be okay.
But when you focus on your gifts and your strengths and your successes the paradigm
changes and now it becomes I'm already okay.
Now the game is
How good can I stand it?
See, that's a whole different come from.
From, you know, if I do this, I can be okay, to I'm already okay.
How good can I stand it?
That's,
Yeah, yeah, that's a big difference in thinking 100%.
And the fact that, you I'm definitely a believer as well is, you know, if you and you
know, thinking about my own examples and experiences, you know, before a couple years ago,
I had some health issues that didn't go away for a little while.
And eventually, it's sent me at least into like a negative spiral of thinking, it could be
this, it could be this, it could be this.
and constantly for weeks and weeks and months and months, I'd think this massively and it
just wouldn't go away.
And then as soon as, you know, some other things changed in my life and I started not
focusing on this area, right, the illnesses that are happening, I then started to get
better.
It was such a weird experience and it just goes to show the power of the mind when it
comes down to the health of the body and how you're feeling and what you're doing.
It's such a big thing.
Yeah.
Anyone I care for, if they have any kind of physical ailment, I always have them do
empowerment dialogue with the two chairs.
Hmm.
I have story after story after story of people who, like one guy had throat cancer.
And when he talked to the disease, it was like, why are you doing this to me?
And then he switched chairs and then he said, because you have verbally abused everyone
you've ever cared for, especially your kids.
You know what mean?
Or like, I remember, I've had people who had tumors in the middle of their brain.
And then halfway when they went from one chair to the other, I knew it was handled and I
couldn't say that.
I just said, go back to your doctor.
I think you're going to get some good news.
And the tumor had disappeared.
And there are a lot of people now, there's a lot of great.
people who know that physical ailment is always, it's not a separate thing, it's always
tied into spiritual and emotional, and you know, it's all one system.
You know, like Joe Dispenza and lots of people, you know, they realize it's not just that.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Just switching gears a little bit.
you know, one of the one of the questions I always ask the people that come on the show is
if you could go back to your 18 year old self and you can only take three things with you,
whether it's, you know, mindset, philosophy, just knowledge, what would those three things
be and why would it be those three things?
Well, I'll tell you what's great about my career today is that when I do my workshops, I'm
always trying to save the people in my courses two or three decades that it took me to
learn what I finally learned.
You know what mean?
Like, I'd like to save them that much time, you know?
Yeah.
I'm still learning and I never will stop learning.
I will never stop doing my own what I call inner game.
Because as I've grown, and what happens is the more you do this kind of inner game, the
more you realize that you can keep getting higher and higher and higher and get better
results.
And so you become selfishly excited about what I can have next.
You know, and so, yeah, mean, you know, if I could take my, if I could take today's
consciousness back into high school, my God, I mean, I can't even imagine how great, well,
I tell you what, because my son, I have two sons, a 34 year old and a 14 year old, and.
Because my 14 year old, both of them did the awakening a couple of times, the retreat.
And because my 14 year old did the awakening a couple of times, he is the most popular kid
in his school.
He has, like one time he came home and he says, I've got so many girls in love with me.
And I said, well, how many?
And he goes, 13.
You know what mean?
And you know, like he dances with all the girls at the dances that nobody's dancing with.
Hmm, yeah.
the kids that people aren't sitting with, you know what mean?
But because of his consciousness, because of the confidence that he has, and I tell
parents in my classes all the time, the greatest gift you will ever give your children is
self-esteem.
Confidence.
Like, Derek has so much confidence that he can do anything, and he knows it.
Yep.
like the other day, his mom said, Derek, you're not Elon Musk.
And he goes, yes, I am.
You know what mean?
So I would definitely give that to my high school Gary.
I honestly, like I'm a great father.
And I wish everybody would treat everybody the way I treat my sons.
You know?
Like one day I told Derek, said, you know Derek, I'm a much better father to you than I
was to Eli.
And he said, well, what makes you a better father?
And I thought that was a great question.
So I started answering it, you know?
Like from the time you were a baby, if you wanted to say something to me, I made sure that
I listened, that you felt like I got you.
And then I went down a list and I went.
This should be a document in the parenting course.
You know what mean?
So I made a whole document for it, you know?
And it really is how everybody should treat everybody.
Yeah, yeah, I think that's such a such a great message for, you know, just for people in
the world right now, right?
The world's been very conflicted and everyone's apart, everyone's against each other all
the time.
And, you know, we need to get back to being as one, right, and treating everyone with how
we need to be treating them.
So I think that's a really great message.
So where can people find you if they're interested in your workshops and some of the work
that you do?
Well, the website is riseleadershipgroup.com or they can call Rise Leadership at
801-414-7020.
801-414-7020.
And you know, we have things that go from, you
$500 up to the expensive stuff and we have a lot of discounts for the beginning workshop
so that people can get in for dirt cheap.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, brilliant.
But we'll leave a link in the description of this podcast as well for people to go and go
and check that out.
But look, thank you for taking the time out your day to join me on this.
Join me on this episode.
I really enjoyed this conversation and made me think a lot about my own my own life as
well and start getting that awareness in a lot of those different areas.
Yeah, let me just mention one thing before we quit.
This next weekend, we're doing the Success in All Relationships.
That's a beginning course, and we do it several times a year.
But I just want to say, if you have any interest in improving your love life or your
relationships with your kids or whatever, that's a phenomenal course.
We have things in that course that, like,
At one point we have a couple in front of the room and by the time they get done actually
really truly communicating where I teach them how to take the insult out of what their
partner's hearing by the time it's over the whole room is misty eyed.
They're all touched and moved and lifted and inspired and there's another process in that
workshop called how to melt your favorite jerk.
And I teach it to Fortune 500 companies and all kinds of people.
Because when somebody's attacking you verbally, within a matter of minutes, if you know
this tool, the person who's attacking you doesn't even get to vote.
They melt.
So I just want to mention that because that's the next workshop coming up.
And it's something that we do several times a year.
So thank you for letting me share that.
Thank you.
yeah, thank you for joining me on today's episode and I look forward to speaking with you
soon again.
Okay, thank you.