Cinema Beef Podcast : Were So Horny (The Howling/Sleepwalkers)

Show Notes

Iris, Suzanne and Gary are back and we’re feeling furry with excitement. On this one, we talk about the horned up exploits of sexy shapeshifters. When a troubled couple go hang with other white folks in the woods, they soon discover that their getaway houses a legion of werewolves in The Howling. Next up, you get horned up cat people looking for love and life forces in the Stephen King scribed Mick Garris directed Sleepwalkers.

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A multi-genre podcast where Gary and his co-hosts (Iris Walters, Suzanne Cappelletti and Jamie Sammons) put two films that share a thread on the table and talk about them with a bit of banter and laughter at each other’s expense.

[panting]

I couldn't breathe.

Isn't this the excitement you were talking about, Tanya?

[screaming]

[screaming]

Right.

We do understand each other, Tanya.

See, this is just how we live, Tanya.

[groaning]

Tanya!

doesn't have to hurt.

Don't you get it, Tonya?

I need you.

I need you to live.

Good.

Please don't kill me.

Tonya, I don't think you're entering into the spirit of this.

Why don't you just think of yourself as lunch?

Hello, folks.

Welcome to CinemaBeef podcast.

I am one of your hosts, Gary Hill, with me as usual, is Iris.

Hello, hello.

Hey, she's healthy.

In a while.

It's been a long time, man.

Yeah.

This is why some pocket I take the summer off

because you get too busy with bullshit and, you know, wanting to do things.

And twenty-two shots of Moons and Horrors, a great example

that they take the whole summer off.

And I'm not that patient for all that, but it is what it is.

How are you Iris?

So much better.

Yeah, so this having COVID sucks, but it's only five days.

So if the flu and the cold could do the same thing, that would be great.

Because yeah, it's like five days and done.

So I'm lucky with my immune system.

I'm sick for like two days and then I'm back to normal again for some reason.

I don't know what it is.

Oh, you're lucky.

Oh boy.

And also with us as usual is Suzanne.

Hello.

And greetings.

God, she sounds so dumb.

The dumps right now is what was wrong with this woman.

Come on now.

Oh, I'm fine.

I'm just basically just decompressing.

I mean, I had to watch one of these films three times, you know, as I'm just going

throw it out there. Oh yeah, spoilers now. My review is going to be lackluster for one

of these films. You're just going to throw it out there. I don't know, we'll talk about

it. We'll start this show the same way we always talk about every other show. I'll

ask Iris what she's been watching lately. Okay, so believe it or not, because I was

I'm just gonna have to be, you know,

sequestered and quarantined away from everyone.

I started watching Dark Shadows.

But the OG Dark Shadows, where Barnabas shows up.

Right, I am on season four now.

Two of the major characters that were on there

are now gone 'cause they're dead.

So yeah, it's great.

I forgot how much I loved this as a kid.

and uh... yeah that's basically what i've been watching and then

you know the usual shit tv arranged and

started watching uh...

the australian version of big brother which is a lot more interesting in the

american one

but besides that uh... uh... it's pretty much it

cool way i can always expect my risk to watch uh... some of this reality junk

my sister watches and

oh yeah

It'll come up in the same conversations.

(laughs)

Oh man, Suzanne.

- Well, it's summer, you know,

I really, most of my time revolves around baseball

and sitting outside, but catching up on the new season

of what we do in the shadows, it's still,

the baby Cullen thing got a little,

I don't know, off-putting,

but this season seems to be going in the right direction

for me.

And of course, I always have to do a little crime time.

So I watched the Ken and Barbie murders,

which I've seen so many documentaries on the Homoca

and Paul Bernardo.

But this one actually added a few things

that I found that I did not know.

So murder aficionados out there,

check out Ken and Barbie murders.

And I think I watched that on Max.

And I know Iris is big into crime time.

- Yes, I am.

- Have you seen it yet?

- No, I have not watched that particular one.

So I'm gonna have to check that out.

Is that on Netflix or?

- It's on Max.

- Okay, yeah, I got that.

Cool.

- Yeah, so do me a favor, check it out.

Is there, like I said, a few things I didn't even realize

that there was another sister.

and kind of details.

Yeah, I know, never mentioned anything I've watched

and anything I've read.

So that was kind of, I guess,

just she was off in the shadows

and really didn't have any relevance in the story.

So I didn't even know she was there.

And it follows a little bit about her

after she got released, which it is really good.

It is really good.

So check that out.

and let's see what else.

Yeah, pretty much as Cubs coming up in the central,

except they dropped two games to the match

and that'll be my sports update.

- And now to Gary for the weather.

- And Danesby is a man's name apparently

on the show Cubs.

And so I found that, I thought it was a nickname.

- Danesby's lost it.

(coughs)

of some country ass southern shit right there, okay? It has to be a family name. Danesby

is this man's name, okay? That's the name. That's the name his mama gave him, Danesby.

I can't get over it, but I digress. I have also been watching the news season of what

we do in the shadows. I have been enjoying it thoroughly as usual. Guillermo is half

a vampire on there. He has adorable vestigial wings for no reason. Have you seen these things?

They're adorable, these vestigial wings. Yeah, it's hilarious as usual. It's good stuff all

the time. Even better, I'd say, is they started the final season of Reservation Dogs on FX

as well, which I can't praise enough. I'm going to catch up on that. The latest episode

is really, really powerful stuff because Bear, who's on his journey home, meets a dear lady,

if you know that is on the show, and she's like a mythological, like native creature

that kills bad men and you find out the story of the dear lady, how she became who she was

and it involves Native American boarding schools which are awful places that were run by Quakers

who basically took Native kids from her families and tried to reeducate them and take their

heritage away from them and all kinds of abuse and nasty shit.

So it's really tough to watch, but it's an important part of history that's really

ugly and just coming to light recently.

Yeah, it's sad.

That's the political portion of the show right there.

You know, you shouldn't do that, yo.

What else?

I watched, you'll hear about this on the latest Look What You Do episode of Ricky Morgan,

a show in soccer, very fun movie, Victor hasn't seen this.

Victor hasn't seen this he has to. It's excellent.

What else? There's not a whole lot. I can remember because we had been a while

recorded a show, so recent stuff is harder to recall because

I- I- I- I- Oh, this was good. The Shark- Shark Exploitation is a documentary on- on- on Shutter about shark exploitation movies, and this is pretty good because it gets to- the- the- the movies, and it also gets to the science of the movies, and it was a- what- what's real life and what's fake, and that's a- it's a very interesting watch.

as far as not just for "hey look, you like these movies, you like these rip-offs?"

Here, here's, also here's some of the science of, you know, why manors,

discussing people being in Peter Benchley regretted, you know,

Jaws getting so big because so many people were in the ocean killing these sharks who literally,

I think, five humans die, or it's a really small number of humans die from shark attacks in a year,

and usually it's by accident.

It's not, they're intentionally trying to attack somebody.

So, yeah, that's an important part of the documentary.

And, oh, I was at Suzanne's house

and I watched part of "Demons Will Terror"

and I fell asleep, not because of the movie

'cause I was very, very tired.

So I'll be going back to that movie.

She's just giving it a watch.

- Oh yes, I've gotta go back to that movie too.

Yeah, 'cause I heard two people snoring in.

It wasn't me.

So I'm like, yeah, I'll just wait and catch it.

Everybody's gonna be away. It wasn't boring. I was just very tired. I promise, you know, I

Was I was

Enjoying what I saw just put it that way

and

Means who's am with the horror convention and we got to meet our friend Cameron my my microhost from last call of torches

We've heard on this show too and and his wife Patty had had some sausage and got fat together and

Got the hang out. That was pretty cool, you know, it's it's a yeah, it was

very very good times

Yeah, no real beef on this one, I don't have anything to complain about except for you know

Native appropriation which I already did that and

Get powerful shit. You should all watch reservation dogs. It's wonderful. Um,

We'll get to the meat and beat and potatoes this episode

Been a long time coming to this

But here it is. We're all looking forward to this.

An episode entitled "Where So Horny?"

Which includes the howling and sleepwalkers.

About horny where people sometimes husband and wife, sometimes husband and lover, sometimes mother and son.

And we'll talk all about our purple glows as we progress on this episode.

[coughing]

and Clovis of course who's just phenomenal as a cat and a character

um okay it's feline cop

feline cop man

get the bad guy Clovis get him get him get him

you know uh we'll start in chronological order

with the howling uh stone cold classic the most

from 1981 read the trailer

What do you see?

[chattering]

The howling.

Some night in the city.

In this human jungle.

It begins.

[chattering]

Just try. He's right there.

What do you see?

What do you see, Karen?

The water in these woods, in this primal, sensuous, secret place, lies an experience too terrifying for words.

And now all anyone can do is watch and wait.

Tonight I'm going to show you something.

Make you believe.

The Howling.

The Howling from 1981.

Your cheap applause synopsis after a bizarre and near deadly encounter with a serial killer. They forgot irresponsible.

A television news woman is sent to a remote mountain resort

Whose residents may be may not be what they seem. This is

Directed by the great Joe Dante

Writers include Gary Brandt and Brandon Brandner

John Sayles of course he did some great horror stuff in the 80s. I think some of 70s too

and Terrence Winklis. The stars, the great and lovely D Wallace and if you don't know

D Wallace, that's a high recommend for me as the official Karen, the original Karen,

Karen White, Patrick McNeigh as Dr. George Wagner, Dennis Dugan as Chris, Christopher

Christopher Stone as Bill, Karen's man candy and somebody else's man candy too.

Belinda Belansky as Terry Fisher, Kevin McCarthy as Fred Francis, Karen's boss, John Carrington

shows up, Slim Pickens, his teeth really hurt people.

Elizabeth Brooks as Marcia Quist, Robert Ricardo as Eddie Quist.

quest uh... noble william as charlie barton

uh...

who else does it dot mccloughard as is t_c_ quest

my favorite character the whole film

and we get a bona fide

lalter paisley moment a couple of them with the great dick miller in this movie

and i love when that happens

i know i feel about this movie i'm sure that the ladies here have read this book

multiple times the original the original book

uh... yes

I'm gonna kick it to Suzanne first.

Suzanne, tell us about the Howling, baby.

- I have to admit, it's probably

my favorite Werewolf movie.

It's just got, I just love every moment of it.

I love the very beginning where she's in her purple dress,

you know, wandering the sleazy side of LA,

to go watch some movies and talk to the serial killer.

We like to leave the little smiley faces.

And I have to admit that scene is just incredibly,

I mean, I saw this when I was probably way too young,

but it's powerful.

She, all you see are these shadows

and the news footage of the bodies,

It just kind of puts you right there.

And then she comes back with a constant nightmares

and of course the good doctor, like, you know, I got a place.

Got a place, you can come, relax, get your mojo back,

bring your husband.

And little do they know,

they're walking into a colony of werewolves.

And you know, it's like the,

Just want to take a moment just to talk about the eddyquist transformation.

The air bladder effects, it is just spectacular to watch.

I know a lot of people now would be like, well, with CGI, you could do that,

but there's just something about the original physical effects

that just completely it took me in with this.

And of course, you know, you've got your overly amorous

What is her name? Oh God. The... Oh, Marcia is, you know, pretty much all over her husband.

It's just, it's just a... It's got its light moments of humor, but it's a straight up horror movie.

It's got blood. It's got guts. It's got everything. And there's a few people who are really actually

sad to see die, which rarely happens for me. Um, yeah, the bare bones of it, it's just fun.

It's a fun werewolf movie that transformations are great. I love how she, the more she tries

to, you know, adapt into this little, you know, wellness community, the more she's,

you know, just noticing how strange the whole thing is and sharing her information with her

friend and his girlfriend. And Dick Miller is great as the occult bookstore owner. I mean,

he's only in for a brief period of time. But he always just lends a lot of presence to whatever

he's doing. And I love the whole thing. We have boxes over bowls. Well, I got to look up market.

bill me.

And of course, every channel on TV has some kind of wearable

preference.

It's fun. It amps up. I will the only thing that bugs me about

this movie, and it's very, very simple. And it's just the last

thing that you see in here before the credits roll, because

it's pretty much, yeah, it's right in your face, you know

what's coming. You totally know what's coming.

But look at 7. It's for 1981, you know, ounce of blood and hair for ounce of blood and hair.

It still is. It's classic. It stands up well.

I just I just can't. I watched this movie several times a year.

It's just got such a great vibe to it.

It's I enjoy the story.

It's a lot different, not a lot, but it's somewhat different from the book.

The bare bones are there, but I think they took the source material

and did a great job with it.

And all in all, it's just it's.

It's a great little vampire vampire werewolf movie.

OK, that was a mental pickup.

So yeah, this is just this is a fantastic film.

Cool, Iris.

So on this one, the howling, I got to see this in the movie theater and it was amazing.

Gosh, if I can say I watched it 10 times in the theater, I would not be exaggerating

because I was so in love with this movie. And I grew up watching the universal monsters and

virus and stuff like that. And this movie really carried that feel of the 80s. It was gritty,

atmospheric, the music. I mean, come on, you have Pino de Nagio composed a score to this.

And it is just so dark and oppressive at some points and so majestic in others. It just

really really carries the movie and really gives this movie the correct atmosphere it needs.

Because if you really think about this, this is a movie of a commune of werewolves that are trying to,

I don't know if they're trying to recruit Dee Wallace, you know her character,

but they were certainly trying to recruit Christopher Stone or Bill.

But still, you take that element of atmosphere out of this movie and it's just really just

another Werewolf movie.

But being up coast in California and having the fog come in and out in the forest and

the lighting and everything, it's just such a beautifully shot movie.

And really to think about this movie, I was reading that they had gone over budget so

bad that the scene where Terry gets killed was filmed in Joe Dante's office because they

didn't have money to go to a set somewhere.

But here he does, what he does is he turns out this beautiful movie that I'm being, it

wrapped in some bucks for the time.

They had 1.5 million budget and it made almost 18 million dollars.

Back in the 80s, that's a lot of money.

But there's really not much to add from what you were saying, Suzanne, the special effects,

everything.

This movie is still relevant even though you can say well you could do that with CG.

Okay, yeah, how easily is it done with CG?

You had to have somebody sit in a chair for hours on end to get all this stuff done

so it could get filmed for what two to three minutes of movie time,

but it had such an impact on the story and on the viewer that to me,

Yeah, sure you could do that in CG. Okay. Well, yeah big deal

but this was you know physical effects and and physical effects for me when I see that in a movie now

Mad respect for it because you know, it's it's just really not done as much anymore

but

This too is probably one of my favorite werewolf movies in itself

I enjoy the story

atmosphere like I was saying

Joe Dante

just did an incredible job with this and you know, we've got people like John Carradine and

His role to me is so impactful because he is that

I'm sure that he was that alpha male that

Now doesn't even have the teeth to be able to rip

Meat off of any bone, you know, and it's sad to see that he's just sitting there and and he's going nuts

And he's going crazy because he knows what he was and now he is just an old man discarded

off to the side.

It's just, that in itself to me is also impactful the psychology of this movie.

So yeah, I mean, I don't know how much more to praise this movie than what Suzanne's already

done and myself is just if by some chance you have not seen this movie what the fuck is wrong

with you in the first place and to go find it it's online i'm sure you can find it online for free

somewhere and watch it and if you have the chance if you are a reader pick up the three books i have

all three and it is a yearly read for me so that's my two cents on this whole thing okay this is

It's working as dicey for me.

It's known that I don't love this film.

It's one of those things.

And it's not a thing.

Everything you guys said was correct.

But there's a little nuances in the film and stuff I love.

Like you said with John Carradine and being the elder werewolf, talking about how much

his teeth hurt and he can't use them anymore and yada yada yada.

These things I love.

I love Patrick McNeese's character.

He's just really selling this colony thing to her.

She's believing it all the way.

Robert Ricardo, as any quiz, is genuinely creepy.

Even when you don't see him, he's genuinely creepy.

And do his thing.

He's great.

And Marjorie Quist is the perfect foil for everybody.

I love the brother too.

I love the animalistic nature even when he's in human form.

Like being like a hunting dog, just looking for the kills when they're hunting and stuff.

That's pretty cool.

The problem I have with the hauling is it's almost like two lifetime for me.

Kind of like Black Christmas.

It's because Karen White, Dee Wallace's character, nobody is just naive or stupid or whatever it is

is because her husband starts going through the change after he gets it in with Marsha

Quist.

This is my theory on the whole thing, that they're in with a good doctor, you know, spoilers,

the doctor isn't on this, the whole werewolf thing.

And I think Marsha, you know, brought our good reporter and her man, Candy, to the camp

just so she can get some revenge sex to say, "You know what, you killed my brother?

I'm gonna make your man into one of ours and that's the whole flow of it.

Because she takes him as her own.

And the moment where that makes a churn is where he's a vegetarian, he starts eating meat.

He's overly violent to the point where he slapped her.

Now a normal person would get in the fucking car and leave.

Because he's never been like this before, but she sticks around and that's fine.

But you know, it's a little quiz about the film that I don't like as far as a film goes.

This is why I have more fun with Howling 2.

It's not a better movie I know, but I have more fun with The Howling 2.

But with the ending of this movie, you know, they're all destroyed, the werewolves, except for one, because Marcia's still alive.

Marcia should have been in The Howling 2.

Although how much I love some simple danning and anything that should have been your next logical, you know

Step is her being the character now into because she lives and I would have loved it

um

The very end you know she can expose everybody

I guess the man chi chi werewolf the little cutie werewolf she turns into I guess that was a decision made by her to

Say if I'm gonna be a werewolf, I'm gonna be adorable and you know what?

She's like the most non-threatening ribos ever. She's adorable. You want to pet her or something, you know?

It's just it's just it's for me. It's not for me

It's like it's like the parts of American world from London that work

They work so well for me, but the parts that don't work for me

Make me not watch it a lot. It's the same thing with this one. It's just

The illogical stuff in the film. It's kind of like

People can see the Last House on the left a classic and you know what it is for that kind of film

But there's stuff in the film that takes you out of it

Like the bumbling cops and shit like that and you know, you know, bless David S. You know, but the stupid

Soundtrack done by him. It takes you out of it

And there's some of this film that takes me out of it and it's not just

It doesn't make it and any less of a good film. I enjoy what I see. I love the Robbo Teen special effects

Although I don't like the way Joe Dante kind of shit on I watched the Beast Within recently

He kind of dumbed on those effects of their bladder effects

Oh those are like basically saying his or these were leaps and bounds above that. Did it look better?

Yes, did you look all that much better? Not really and to be to be honest

I like the story better in a beast within I did in this movie the whole

small-town secret, you know the with the cicadas and the

I just watched it, there's a lot going on in Beast Within.

It's a pretty good one.

One day we'll cover it on here.

But I do enjoy this, just not like I should.

Let's put it that way.

That's my two cents on the howling, I'm sorry.

But anything else, I'll get you to Iris.

She wants to say about the movie, and I will wish you could win the ten.

I'm going to give this a 10.

It's great.

I love the story and very valid points.

Very, very valid points to your making Gary.

Yeah, you know, Dee Wallace's character

could have been completely left out.

She did not need to be in the movie.

You take her character away and you make Terry's boyfriend.

shareboards his name, the other Bill. Yeah, let me know. Terry's boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. Because Chris, you know, he has more of an impact on the plot than than most people in this movie. Him and him and the lady friend. Right. So if if Chris would have been the one investigating the serial killing and they found out about this colony of where I was somehow one way or another, then I think.

I think it wouldn't have been such a,

it wouldn't have that cutesy element.

It would have more grit, you know,

if it would have taken Karen White completely

out of the picture.

But that being said, I still really, really love this film

and I'm gonna give it a 10.

- Cool, Suzanne.

- Yeah, I've always loved this movie.

It's one of the funniest things I can say about this movie.

I was watching it with my mom for the first time.

I was very young.

And I was curled up on the couch watching.

And my mother, I think we heard my dad pull in,

she's like, "You roll over, pretend you're asleep."

And that just makes me laugh every time I watch it.

But yeah, honestly, the thing about the werewolves,

and I know, it's like,

I know she wanted to be a cutesy werewolf.

But I mean, it's,

They talked about a little bit in the movie about nature.

Everyone's true nature came out in their werewolf form.

So she was just not a, she was a pretty,

I hate to say wishy washy.

So she was a wishy washy werewolf.

Just a thought.

- And it was more of a goody two shoes.

She was just too pure of--

- Yeah, she--

- To be a beast.

- Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

And it's one of those things that crosses my mind

when I watch the movie, but,

'cause whenever Gary and I talk about it,

it's like I always get the whole monchi-chi speech.

- 'Cause that's what she looks like, okay?

- Okay, yeah, she looks like a monchi-chi.

But I just, I do, I have this,

my husband got me the actual movie poster

that hung in a theater that I have hanging up on my wall.

One of these days I'll get some autographs on it.

- Right under the, oh what's the name?

- Slaughter Lamb.

- The Slaughter Lamb tavern sign, yes.

- Yep.

Well, you know, I do have to keep my subgenres together.

But like I said, I've always loved this movie.

Like I said, it just brings up that one memory

from childhood as well.

And yeah, I've honestly, I have not read

the second and third book in years,

but every couple of years,

'cause I can blow through the first book in a couple of hours.

It's a fast read.

- It really is.

- Yeah, I need to go read the trilogy again,

just for fun, 'cause I'm pretty much finishing a good book,

which means I won't find another good book

for at least six months.

So I have to go give those a reread.

But yeah, honestly, I have so much love for this movie.

It's a straight up time for me.

I love it, love it, love it, love it.

- Oh, it's an aid for me.

It's classic for all the right reasons.

And you know, I'm being really nitpicky here.

But more interesting ending, okay?

Marcia and Bill escape the reality.

And then it becomes the plot

gone girl in suburbia but they're both werewolves okay? Heck yes. Just Marcia burbating people

and having sex with me just you didn't blame me on Bill I would love that movie you know.

We'll see and again so again Dee Wallace's part where she comes to where she turns into the little

Monchichi that could have been left out completely and just cut scene after you know you see the

barn fire cut scene to

uh... marches sitting at the bar

and i would have been perfect i would have been a perfect ending

it's it's it's good and it is great and except for um...

yet it's usually it's usually she should have been a hollering to that

should have been the main

the the the the the the the werewolf bitch as they say in the in the

international title

if you want to find the hollering it's it's very easy

Blue Ray DVD 4K Blue Ray it's on shutter right now where I watched it so it's

easily accessible to get to and I'm hotling too was on shutter for like a

week and they took it off I was very upset by that it's um Chris Frilly in

the glasses and a little person and red brown in the double denim outfit in that

movie it's just it's just it's just good feelings you know but yeah I like this

okay it's it's an 8 out of 10 though and I let's say if I watch it again the

squirrel might go higher but I don't think so I think that's right where I'm

at with it and I think it's fair to call it that and I'm sorry Jamie Sammons but

I'm not sorry, but yeah, I need the sub-plot

to make it real-life-timey, to put Marsha Quist in Bill

and Suburbia and Marsha Quist murdering people

and blaming it on Bill.

Yeah, it would just be, it would be aces, it would be.

Oh my gosh.

But next up, we're talking about cats in love

with young girls and cats in love with their mommies

and listening to all these music and all that good stuff.

Sleepwalkers, for example, the Great McGarras,

we'll talk about that coming up next.

(upbeat music)

- Charles Brady is new in town.

- You've actually talked to him?

- Yeah, he's nice.

Real nice.

The girls all like him.

The teachers all respect him.

Your teachers know how must have been sorry to lose such a creative young man.

The parents all trust him.

He's utterly charming.

But nobody really knows him.

Like his mother.

You cannot be in love with this girl, Jules.

Don't know me, Tonya.

But I want to.

Their smile is a secret.

Hi.

Come in, Donnie.

I have something for you.

I don't know who you are, but I know you're not

who you say you are.

Behind the secret is a hunger.

Does it have to be her?

And behind it all is the imagination of Stephen King.

Somebody help me, please.

He killed one of my men.

He was scared of a cat!

Stephen King's sleepwalkers.

Sleepwalkers from 1992 and ho ho 1992 it is directed by Rick McGarris written by Stephen

King and your cheapo plot synopsis is this a mother and son team of strange supernatural

creatures moved to a small town to seek out a young version to feed on.

This stars Brian Krause as Charles Brady who you may know from the TV show Charmed.

Majanamik who plays Tanya in this movie, she was in Twin Peaks and stuff, but I know her

as Betty Cooper's mother from Riverdale.

You know I'm obsessed with that show guys, seriously.

The great Alice Krieg as Mary Brady just kicking all kinds of asses in this movie and just

fucking her son.

Come on now, you know.

So this is fun when this happens.

I think they're a real life couple.

Cindy Pickett in the Lyman Ward, Mr. and Mrs. Bueller show up as her parents, Ron Perlin

shows up as a cop in this movie, the great Glenn Shaddick shows up in this movie as the

unfortunate teacher.

You get a whole mix of directors and stuff in this movie.

Clyde Barker shows up, Jodonte shows up, John Landis shows up, Cynthia Garris mixed pipe

shows up in this movie.

and um, Rusty...

Don't forget Toby Hooper.

And Toby Hooper.

Yeah, and uh, Rusty Schwimmer who I missed in this movie.

I love that actress.

I think she's great in things.

Um, I know how I feel about this fucking crazy fucking movie.

Uh, oh and I forgot the major star of this movie, Clovis.

Because Clovis rocks.

We'll talk about that I'm sure constantly.

Start with Suzanne, Sleepwalkers, tell us all about it girl.

I don't like this movie.

I just don't like it.

I went back in the 90s, there is a very severe lack of horror.

In the early 90s, you got very few horror films.

And, you know, before digital and, you know, having access to, you know, foreign,

you know, horror movies.

Yeah, your choices were pretty slim.

So I saw I was I could not wait for this movie to come out.

I think I went in on opening weekends on a date.

Yeah, that ended up badly, but that's another story.

But yeah, I just don't like this movie.

There are a handful of things I do like about it.

So I think I'm gonna focus on those

and add in some of the things that I don't like.

Well, we'll start out.

I don't like the story.

I think the story is meandering.

It has its film as for it doesn't know what it is.

I, Brian Cross, kind of cute, terrible actor.

And Mad Kid, she's, she was a little green in the acting area herself.

But I do like Alice, I love Cindy Pickett and Lyman.

And I've completely forgot that Ron Perlman was in that very, very briefly and Glenn Shaddick.

But the things I do like, you know, the song that Santa on Johnny did sleep while, that's

one of my favorite songs.

There's also a great version of the Brian Sutter Orchestra doing it live.

So if you get a chance, check that out.

The only washable scene in this movie for me, well, other than anything where Clovis is

concerned, because Clovis is just a little cutie.

seen with Toby Hooper and Claude Parker, Stephen King, and Joe Dante and John Landis,

that is the funniest scene in the whole movie. That made the whole thing at least watchable for me.

It was, I know they were just dipping their toes into CGI when this came. I think if they had

possibly may be stuck with a few more physical effects instead of trying to make it as drastic

as they did. That aspect of it might have been better, but it just, it looked cheap.

And once again, I was so excited for this movie. At least I actually know I did pay,

but the fuck was wrong with me back then. Anyway, um, yeah, I enjoyed Clovis, Clovis, the, you know,

crime stop and ass kick and cat. I was really bummed when Clovis's owner died because that was,

that was just sad, very, very sad. But I, I'm all up and one of you, one of you guys will say

something that will make me think of something else I like about this, because I just, I just don't,

I don't find it enjoyable at all.

It's just meanders, it doesn't know what it's doing.

It's, there are too many,

it just seemed to me like there are too many

kind of subplots going on that kind of got garbled.

And we had the beginning where, you know,

they're going 'cause they hadn't seen these people in a while

and all the dead cats, which, you know,

that always just brings my score up.

But, you know, I'm just gonna pass this one on

and maybe in my afterthoughts I'll come up with something else.

But I watched it last night and it is just as forgettable

except for one scene.

- She is so sad about this too.

I can't take it.

(laughing)

Iris, bring the room up girl.

Come on then.

What do you think about Steve Walker?

- I love this movie.

I love it.

I love it.

This whole movie, right?

So the story seems a bit hokey.

And I can see where you say that this,

it just kind of like meanders

and it doesn't know what it really is.

But put on your HP Lovecraft Cthulhu Spectacles on

and think of the short story, Cats of Ulthar,

because this is a retelling of that short story.

in the cats of Ultar.

So in the cats of Ultar, basically it is a story

of this place called Ultar.

And there's an old cauldron, his wife, they hate cats

and they catch them and they dispatch them.

They hate cats, period.

Then here comes this little orphan boy

And he had a cute little cat, cute little black cat.

And all of a sudden his cute little companion

because his parents had died in the play.

This cute little companion was gone.

And he spends time meditating

and he unleashes basically a curse on the town

and the caravan leaves.

And then the tells people noticed

that their cats are nowhere to be seen.

And then everybody goes, well, you know what?

It's probably the dude and his wife,

because they're always killing cats.

I bet all of our cats are dead or trapped

or something on their property somewhere.

So they go to the property and lo and behold,

when they open the door to the cottage,

all they find is two skeletons that have been picked clean.

And then the mayor of Ulthar goes, okay.

So understood kitties, nice kitties,

nobody can kill a cat in Ulthar ever again.

Think about the movie that we just watched,

Sleepwalker, basically the same thing.

Man and a guy and his mama show up,

they put traps all around their house

because they hate cats and cats hate them.

She goes down with the girl, she tries to kill dude,

dude kills deputy and then deputy sheriff deputy Clovis right

along. You know he's he's the instead of a canine unit they

had a feline unit. Clovis hurts the guy. Brian oh what's his

name in the movie I always forget.

>> Hi.

>> Yeah okay yes thank you try it. And then mama sees this

She's trying to help her son, you know, craziness ensues.

And basically, what do the cats do?

The cats take revenge.

So to me, first time I watched this,

I kind of felt a little jipped by Stephen King

because I had not read this story yet

from his short stories.

I had not read it.

And I thought, well, this is just a ripoff of "Cats of Uthar."

And as I watched the movie more and more and more and I see them through those

spectacles, I fell in love with this movie even more and more and more.

And therefore that's why I just love this movie.

Yeah, this one's got it.

This is a screenplay.

I think it wasn't there.

What do you think?

She was sorry.

I think it was just.

Oh, yeah, it's probably why I never read it.

Yeah, it doesn't exist.

I don't like it over the century.

Yeah, I know that was good.

That was really good.

I have that book.

Um, yeah, I've got so sorry. Um, so yeah, so basically that's why I, um, once I put those,

you know, just watching them more and more, I just see more and more little nuances in here

and there and everywhere. That scene in the lab spot on, it's lovely. I love it. I crack up every

single time. I mean, I don't even have to know the scene is coming. I just start giggling because,

you know, it's just good. The gore in this, palpable, it could have been done a little better,

but there was some good gore, and you know, her bursting into flames at the end.

I mean, I would have enjoyed more seeing kind of like maybe the cats left kind of, you know,

like piranhas coming over and just chewing on everything. I would have enjoyed that a little

bit more but then again you know again budget but yeah I really like this movie

that's my two cents now most of the things Suzanne said was correct you know

for about the stupidity of this movie but I happen to like this video this

movie because in the beginning of the big opening credits you get you try to

get they try to think some of the lore in there or why these people are the way

they are but it's not really explained what's going on with them and that's

That's how I like my horror.

To the point where they don't explain shit, they just let it lie.

Because if you over explain stuff in a horror film to me, I'm gonna like it a little bit less.

That's why I resent the end of Psycho, because you get that very end of Psycho where he's being interrogated by the police,

and they just lay everything out about why the way he is.

I was like, "I need a little mystery in my life, and this is why I resent Psycho a little bit."

I didn't need that ending.

I really didn't do that's why you resent the howling well because the howling

You know like it lays it all out for you. That's probably why you don't like the howling is mine

I explain why I like the howler. I thought it was pretty pretty laid out there, you know

This this one don't explain shit

I get I get the idea of them being a life force to to survive all these years and I love the opening of this movie

You know where they they find the little girl in the basement and she's she's she's sucked dry

That that tells you right away that you know a victim

Doesn't have to be a teenage girl or a certain type. It's just whatever they can get to live and move on

I like that aspect of this movie as far as

You know the comedy they try to pull off of this movie I

Get that you know because Charles makes some really goofy jokes in this movie and you know

Love it or not the the cop kebab gag works for me. It's so it's so stupid

But but it works for me and somebody getting murdered with a ear of corn in this movie works for me

It's just it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous, but the stuff that's not that's not ridiculous. I

really enjoy like

The way the way

Modgen is introduced to the girl the victim the chosen one

She's right right away because he's carving his name into her arm and looking here in the yearbook and stuff like that

So what that's the way he shows but you know when she's in the movie theater dance with it with the vacuum cleaner

That's what I fell in love with her. Let's put it that way because it's like she was like

She was like Elizabeth shoe in the opening of your invention babysitting. You know right there. It's like yeah, I love that and um

Fun stuff. Yeah

You got Lane Charles Brady doing silly things, but at the same time, you got Alice Krieg in this movie as the mother being like

the guiding hand saying, "You know, Motherfucker, we gotta eat. You're dragging your feet, asshole. It's time."

And even away when she comes to the house, she's marking her with the flower, like you see in the beginning of the movie.

And she's almost like, like sexually, you know, teasing her in a way.

To say, "Yep, you're gonna be mine, bitch."

And I love Alice Creeg's use of sexuality in this movie, and brutality, and the fact

that she did all of her own stunts in the movie, I think she did a majority of her

own stunts, including throwing poor Mad Chin over her shoulder and getting rid of the police.

So, she's fucking badass, if for one thing.

I love that so much about her.

Oh, God, this woman is, she's classic.

She's just a classic beauty.

She's not something like Hollywood Beautiful.

She's classic beautiful.

- Oh yeah.

- You know?

- I love her in "Ghost Story."

I mean, I used to say, hey, Dan, such a--

(Darren laughs)

I would say he's done a better job on "Ghost Story"

because the way that the character is written in the book

is a lot different.

- Yeah, she had more depth in this.

In the movie, it was all about the guys.

The book, it's about her and what the guys did to her.

- Yes, she is the focal point of the book.

- Yes, oh my God.

(clears throat)

Anyway, sorry, we're talking sleepwalkers.

- That's okay, that's okay.

That's what they're called tangents people.

But she is the main reason to watch this movie,

in my opinion because just some of the action she does

if it was anybody else you know just doing this this hammy dialogue

and doing what she does and it's laid out pretty quick that they're fucking

getting it in because he's he's carrying her upstairs in his arms and

you see the the purple glow of the cat sex happening

and i i i don't know man it's so strange

And if you read up on this, I listened to the commentary from the Blu-ray.

She was telling the boy to get in when he was on top of her.

She told him to go for it, and he fucking did apparently.

And you know, it's a passionate scene, people.

Let's put it that way.

"Swing!"

(laughs)

Um, Dan Martin as um,

Clovis's master, uh, Officer Simpson,

is wonderful in this movie, just the dynamic with him and Clovis is great

and his dialogue is wonderful. When he dies

it's very very sad, like he said, because you know, cats do what cats do

and the happily man Joy died, unfortunately, she overdoses

medicine that kind of reacted with some other medicine, her cat Annie would not leave her

side even when the paramedics were there. So that's some cats too. When he died Clovis

was standing by him, he wouldn't leave him and I love that about Clovis and just being

a general fuckwad, just staring at Charles Brady and saying "I see you motherfucker, I

see you!" and Glenn Shattuck's being Glenn Shattuck's in this movie and getting murdered

hilariously. It's kind of great. It really is. Big scenes in the movie. Again, I love

Alice Krieg's siege on the house. It's on Tonya's house just not giving a fuck about

the police and just killing anybody that gets in her way of her prayer or of her care for

food. She wants this girl, she has been chosen. And she's a getter by the ministry. Throw

over her shoulder and carried her out of the house.

All that's great.

Alice Krieg is the reason to watch this movie.

Not so much anybody else, but her actions and her doing everything is just spectacular

in this.

What would have been a turn of a movie otherwise.

Because a lot of inexperiences here, like I said, your two leads haven't done much at

this point.

But uh, Alice is holding it down man as Mary Brady, you know, just fucking her son in this movie.

Even when he's dying.

Literally.

Even when he's dying.

She's like, "Oh my god, who the fuck now? That's all she was thinking about, you know?"

Because he got messed up by Clovis and he was dying and that looked better than, I'm guessing this is pre-Terminator 2, you know, Special Effects, you know?

starting them more often stuff. So first for technology that was just starting out

people need to give it a break a little bit. You know the parts where they go

from cat face to people face it just it needs to be known that this is done on a

much lower budget and did use some of the tech they used but not perfectly

obviously so if you're a bitch about an aspect of this movie I think you need to

like get over yourself just a little bit and realize that this is sleepwalkers not

from here too. I love it. It's just my kind of stupid. And then Alice rocks. Alice

Cree rocks this movie. She rocks it and everything though. But this is a

banner roll for me for her because she's just such a hard-ass and knows what

she wants and she's gonna get what she wants. Even to take stabs with somebody

with the ear of corn, which was wonderfully telegraphed, "Hey, we got

When we were a corn-loved, a left officer, I always loved it.

When we got the cop who was eating something for no reason.

And he's like, "Hey, he got murdered by that last piece of corn."

"He had that last piece of corn, buddy, huh? Didn't ya? Huh?"

"Not you fucking dead because of it."

[Laughter]

"Oh my gosh."

"He was corn fused."

"Oh yeah, just because."

[Laughter]

[Mimics corn sounds]

[Laughter]

"I'm gonna kick it back."

"Okay, you were in that with that, totally."

Did we chase Suzanne's minds at all?

I gotta ask her final thoughts and what do you give the rating here girl?

You know.

All right, well, I have not read Cats of Oath 4 probably since early teens, possibly preteen.

So I'm going to revisit it after I read that.

But because I love Alice, she is really good in the movie she's in and she picks really

the obscure films, they updated the honeymoon killers and she was in that and she was obviously

a brave role but she's also another one of those actresses that lends some credibility

to you know like I said in my opinion a wavering screenplay.

But yeah, I mean, honestly, I really will reread the story.

Like I said, I've got to refresh my old lady brain

and give it a revisit.

But at this point, I'm still gonna kind of hold it about.

Believe me, my original rating has gone up a few points

because you both brought up some very valid points about it.

And thank you for doing that,

'cause occasionally I get a little stubborn.

And I get myself set in a certain set of beliefs about a film.

And this is one of those.

So yeah, it's actually gone up.

So yes, it's I'm sitting at about a six with this.

But after I read, you know, reread the story and watch the movie again,

we'll revisit it at another time.

But I will keep you guys updated.

Fair enough, Iris.

Right.

I'm going to give this one 8 out of 10.

But this movie was made for me.

It's oaky.

It's cute.

It's funny.

Subject matter is just like way out there.

Kind of a bit of a sci-fi horror type of thing.

So for me, it's definitely an 8.

And like I said, once I started watching this a little more and I saw it through the lens of the

Cthulhu mythos, then I was like, oh, fuck yeah, this movie's good.

So yeah, eight out of ten for me.

And Alex Krieg, I would do her.

Yes, she would get it in.

Like I said, I met her.

I was intimidated because, you know, this movie and of course, Star Trek First Contact,

or she wanted to get it in Mr. Mr. again just overly sexualizing Mr. Data in

that movie she she wanted she wanted to bang she wanted to bang the Lieutenant

Commander data you know this way she wanted to be a little bit more flesh

so she can get it in and you know it never happened unfortunately but literally

yeah exactly she she wanted to turn that in motion enhancement up and you know

just just let them let them enjoy that shit cool things exactly what this movie

McGarris, imagine, are allergic to cats.

I remember that in the commentary, but didn't reveal it until just before Productions.

I imagine her hanging out with Clovis was not a good time, but she has some nice moments

with Clovis.

Yeah, it's fun.

It's just stupid fun.

Like I said, I think that as a man, turning into a man, this movie came out in '92, so

I was 11 years old, so between this and I think like from Dust Till Dawn it was hard

to pick a wife, but besides Alice Cree and Selma Hayek, you know, because Alice Cree,

she knew what she wanted and she was going to get it.

And you know what, I met her once and she would still get it, as I'll say about that,

as long as it's consensual.

But yeah, that's Sleepwalkers and I think you guys should watch it.

If I should say so, it's fun.

It's my kind of stupid.

- But you're saying you don't like the meaning.

- Well, I'm not saying you're wrong, Suzanne,

but I'm saying at the same time, you're kind of wrong.

Okay?

(laughing)

- I'm saying I'm not saying that.

- It's kind of like when you start going off on somebody

or you're gonna go up and say, "Be nice Sue, be nice Sue."

(laughing)

- And that happens more than you would,

it actually happens a lot.

- I really don't like this person.

They're not worth it, Sue. They're not worth it.

You know, I'm gonna tell you.

I think Sleepwalkers is worth it.

That's where I'll leave this.

And we'll come back and close out the show.

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That's it for this one. It's great to be back and I hope with this more often thing

and I'm sure it will be. I don't know what we're doing next. It was in discussions with

Ricky Morgan to do... sorry guys, shit. The first two bad news bearers movies because

the other ones are not so good and I don't want to do a whole franchise fest. But that

That might be next, or the Jamaica one might be next, or I put it out there in the group,

ones that I threw out there, including an episode featuring Night Breed, which I notorious

he don't love either, but I'll love it for these ladies as much as I can with Little

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That'll be fun.

That'll be a lot of fun.

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now because my sister's health is getting up they just put our new medicine

actually so for for her nerves themselves so she hasn't felt this good in

in months probably because of this medicine so it's a it's plus it says

everything's looking at people and um yeah iris what you got coming up girl well um tomorrow

i'm going to record with robin colman on we saw the devil and you can find that on we saw the

devil dot com that's a true crime podcast and we are going to be going over the laura the laury

value sentencing, the Shab business business and Carly Russell.

And that's what we're going to be discussing on that one.

And then with that sort of weird with Mike, we have added Jim.

We are now a threpol and Jim is pretty awesome.

He is about, you know, we're all in the same age group and, um,

He's witty, he's funny, we have chemistry with him, so it's really nice to have a third

now.

And the last case that we did, or I should say the last episode, was him.

He had brought to the table the topic of the Ammons Haunting.

So give it a listen, it was really good.

And that's on that'ssorta, S-O-R-T-A, weird.com.

And my next topic, that should be dropping on the 19th, the 20th.

I'm going to be talking about doomsday profits.

So that's going to be fun.

Cool, cool.

Anything, anything working out with you, Suzanne?

What's happened to Suzanne?

You're writing anything lately or anything sexy happening?

No, it's summertime.

I'm in summertime baseball mode.

I don't, my brain doesn't.

I have zero creativity in the summer,

but I did start pulling up a couple of my short stories

to start noodling around with again.

Possibly might go back and write a few reviews.

I don't know.

They said it's summertime.

I get really weird in the summer.

I don't want to, I don't want to do anything

other than sit outside and enjoy the very small window

of nice weather that I have.

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You showed up on there for sure.

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Yes it is.

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Hopefully within the next two weeks. Two or possibly three of us, whoever can make it.

We're going to put a show out because I miss these women too much. Too much has been happening

in our daily lives. People get busy, people get bummed. At the end of the day we're all

a family unit these are my sisters I am the brother you know I care about

little little brother well you know I'm old beyond my ears but that way I'm not

like Murphy I'm not like Murphy old but I'm pretty old though you know

see if I if I didn't fuck with this man he would think something was wrong though

Okay, come on now, you know, this is true. This is true. This is true

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Females that are smarter than yourself. Okay, it makes you better

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find yourself some intellectual female friends that are uh that know better than

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I'm always been I'm always waiting for the shower to happen but it ever happens

Oh, I know my God, there was a kitty.

There was a kitty.