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Hosted by Dr. Val Civelli, White Coat Black Sheep explores physiology, functional medicine, and the medical questions most people are told not to ask.
This is where evidence meets curiosity, where dogma gets uncomfortable, and where real world medicine takes priority over headlines.
From understanding your lab work to debunking hormone myths, medication misconceptions, and optimization strategies, this podcast helps you understand what is actually happening inside your body.
If you care about health and think there might be a better way to practice medicine, you’re in the right place.
Welcome to White Coat, Black Sheep where science gets curious and dogma gets
uncomfortable. I'm Dr. Savelli. Today we talk physiology, evidence,
and real-world medicine, plus the questions you're not supposed to ask but
probably should. If you care about health and think there's a better way,
welcome to our show.
Thank you so much for joining me today.
Tell us your name and what do you do?
Well, my name's Miguel, Miguel Morales.
Okay.
And then I'm kind of old. I was born in the
1900s. I'm 27 years old.
Okay.
So I made that cut right before 2000 started.
I'm a 1900er as well.
I don't know if
I heard you. I was watching one of your other podcasts, and I don't know if it's
true.
I don't know if I can say it. Are you 42?
Okay. I was like, which F word is about to happen right now?
I thought you were going to say Florida.
No.
Something else, bleep. And then...
So I am 42.
Wow.
Yeah.
Oh my goodness.
1983. I'm a Sagittarius.
Jeez, Louise.
Yeah, not single, if you're wondering. I'm just kidding.
No, that's pretty crazy.
Yeah.
Well, for me, it always just seems to me to-- because I like to kind of look at it
longevity wise.
Yep.
And I'm 27 now, and my-- I wake up and my
knees sometimes are like, eh,
popping, popping and-
Man
... I'll get up and I'm like, "Ugh." And I can definitely feel
just like the age. Like time, Father Time
is close to you.
Yeah.
So when I see someone that's a bit older, like late 30s, 40s, and
50s-
Uh-huh
... and they're still active, they're still-
Yeah
... putting in effort-
Oh, I'm just getting started
... I'm like, "Man, that's definitely a good sign to see."
Yes. Yeah.
And as far as
what I do, though first and foremost, just last year,
I became a father.
Oh my gosh. Congratulations.
Yeah. For the first time.
He's one year and three months, so 15 months right
now.
Oh my gosh.
And-
Is he a mini you?
Yeah, he's crazy.
It's just a crazy switch because you go from all your life just worrying about you
maybe-
Adulthood
... maybe your immediate family, but even immediate family's a bit different as
far as taking care.
Mm-hmm.
And then all of a sudden, I'm a father.
Oh my gosh.
All of a sudden, there's
a real baby in front of me, and I'm like, "This is me.
This is literally half me."
And
it's been
definitely a crazy--
Well, it was a crazy 2025, and then it's been a crazy 2026 because every--
It's like different chapters. It's the same book, but it's different chapters.
There was him just not sleeping at night and-
Oh, yeah
... crying throughout the morning.
Yeah.
There was him starting to bite, like his teeth were starting to come in.
Oh my gosh.
So he's starting to chew on literally everything.
And then now his
legs work.
Oh.
His legs were like, "Hey, we're activated." And now he
walks.
Wow.
And then even just yesterday, he almost started running as well.
Oh my goodness.
It's
a lot of adapting to it.
Mm-hmm.
Do you have kids?
I don't.
Oh, wow.
But what you're describing is medical milestones, and so as a doctor, we're
always looking for those things. And so I
love to see the joy in your face as you're just describing-
Yeah
... what it feels like to hit those milestones.
It's like a-
Not everybody gets that.
It's different milestones almost like daily in a weird way.
Yeah.
It's like new abilities, and then you have to adjust
because-
Yep
... sometimes he just gets bored of the
show or bored of the food or bored of the-
Yep
... he's like, "Nah, you guys got to make it fresh."
Yeah.
"Switch it up."
He's like, "This is the new me every day."
That's kind of how the market is, huh? You got to bring something new.
Bring something.
Yes.
I want a new podcast.
The people are bored.
The name's really interesting, Black Sheep, White Coat. Where did that come from?
Yes. So I just was laying up.
It was like 3:00 a.m.
I couldn't sleep, which is, I would say, relatively common from
time to time with the different ideas that come to my mind.
And I was just, okay, I knew I wanted to do a podcast.
I knew like, which one of these is not like the others? I feel like me.
This one's a little different. And in a good way, I think,
mostly good.
You're wired how you're wired.
So in medicine, we answer to the medical
board. We are supposed to answer
medical questions exactly the same, and there's
merit to that.
It's like cookie cutter a little?
Cookie cutter, right? But it's also protocols.
So if you see a surgeon, ideally if you see a bunch of surgeons,
they would say, "Yes, you are recommended for surgery." Now, is that how people
are really experiencing life, and is that how everything is actually landing?
No.
Mm-hmm.
Because the reality is we're all different.
We all have different levels of expectation on us.
Like you're a dad, you have demands on you. You have to show up to your job.
You have to perform.
Yeah.
You have mental work. You have physical work.
You have a family to provide for. So there's a lot of
complexity outside of just somebody showing up, and I'm
supposed to run a basic protocol.
So yeah. That being said,
I wanted to just approach medicine differently, and I
wanted to really believe that I'm special-
Mm
... that you're special, that each person that comes through is
special. And so I understand the protocols, but I also
know when we're going to deviate because I feel like that is
what you need right now, and then you're going to come back to me, and we'll check
in, and then we'll just address things as they come.
Mm.
So one size does not fit all.
With the medical-- This is just a curiosity question.
Mm-hmm.
But
as far as in my work and then previous work,
like-Every day is kind of performance.
If you're not-
Yeah
... up to par on a certain quota, or if you're not performing,
then you're cut off the team, and you have to perform-
Yes
... every single day
Performance indicators.
And then like the best job security is a good performance.
Yeah.
And I'm curious with medicine, because you've been in it since
like two decades, right?
2015. Yeah, so I graduated in 2015, but
really, I started as an MRI tech, and I was 21 years old.
So-
So like two decades you've been in the-
You do the math. I don't want to count those numbers. I mean, it's fine.
And, but as far as-- because I know to become an official doctor,
you need extensive studies. Congratulations, by the
way. You-
Thank you
... that's commitment.
Mm.
But once you get the paper, is it pretty much like you're set, you're pretty-
No
... or do you also have to perform and,
or is that your performance test is just getting the degree and getting the-
Yeah
... the white coat?
I love that question, and so I really do want to highlight you,
but I will answer this.
So being a doctor, you would think that you're like in charge of
things now, like you're running things, but there's always a boss, okay.
Ah.
Every single person always has somebody that they answer to, whether it's the
patients, the payers, if it's insurance-based or-
Mm
... the boards who decide what is or isn't your
practice. And then each state has their
own board, and then there's the Fed, the DOJ, which you
answer to them as well, right?
Oh, man.
Yeah. So the-
Some serious people.
Yeah. And then if you leave the state-
And that's after you get your degree and all that?
That's after. So you have to know, "Okay, where am I standing right now,
and I'm seeing this person right now, and they're standing where?" Like
so the whereabouts, all of that stuff matters.
Oh, wow.
And that decides who you're answering to and what
your
bandwidth is to practice. Like some states
allow certain procedures to be done, some don't,
such as dry needling. Some states allow it, some don't.
So it
depends on your authorities that dictate that state.
Mm.
So,
yeah, I think hopefully that does answer the question.
There's always a boss that you're answering to.
Yeah, it definitely seems like once you're done with all the
tremendously hard work, it's more-
You're the worker still
... tremendous hard work.
You just get stronger.
And now you just have more people to-
If it doesn't break you. Yeah. You have more people. No, that's exactly right.
There's more-
More responsibilities
... freedom there. Yes.
More rules.
There's more rules. There's more people to please.
You just get better-
Oh, man
... at, like, okay, that was-
It's like the bio for fatherhood, right?
Yeah. You're just getting stronger every day, and you don't realize that that's the
reality of your training.
Wow.
Yeah.
Well, that's pretty cool that you have these side quests that you do, like this
podcast.
Oh, yeah.
I'm surprised you're not like-
This is my fun. This is like, okay, I'm decompressing.
I'm just hanging out with somebody cool that I don't know, that is in a world
outside of something that I would never get to look into or
know. And if you came to me as a client, then I would want
to know your daily-
Mm
... because that makes me better at treating people of your industry.
Mm.
So the demand's on you.
Yeah, I agree. Definitely everyone's a bit different because-
Yeah
... it's like
if 10 people have a headache or so,
those 10 people have 10 different stories.
And there's-
Totally
... and there's probably cornerstones that are invisible that you don't see that
affects-
Yes
... the entire thing or maybe they're...
Yeah, I could see a lot of moving parts where you work.
Yeah, right?
So are you actually-- is it just more so prescribing medicine, or do you
actually, are they on the table like- ... on a surgery table?
Are you like with anesthesia mask?
That is so funny. So, I-- okay, so in all fairness, I
am a hybrid doctor, meaning I do more than just a typical
outpatient doctor because-- so primary care
is what I started in, family medicine, so I can see babies, right?
I could do your general checks. I can see kids.
I can see elderly.
I chose to specialize into elderly care, and then that
led me to specialize into-- so I see elderly
at facilities, by the way. So these are people who they're discharged
from a hospital, and then they go to a place because they're not strong enough yet-
Mm
... and they can't go home, so they have to do exercises, and they have
a whole algorithm that they have to go through just to get
stronger and be able to do their daily acts of living.
So-
Mm
... like just getting up out of bed, you have to be able to push yourself up and
not fall. You know?
Yeah.
Like you can't break-
It's crazy how much we take for granted-
Yeah
... like just waking up, taking a shower, getting ready-
Just sitting upright
... driving
Like our core is strong, so we can hold our own body up.
Some people are like, "I can't do that."
They can't brush their teeth. A bath. What?
My baby.
Yeah.
Can't do that.
They can't take care of a child. Like they are now the one in need.
So if you're the one in need, man. It-
Yeah
... so I see those people, and
some of them are short-term and long-term, so meaning short-term is actually
defined as less than six months. So-
So you're in the elderly homes like taking-
Mm-hmm
... like in the mud, taking care of them?
Yep.
Oh, my God. Like even like restroom kind of stuff?
I try to be the good and the bad.
Ugh.
Yeah. It's rough.
I think one time I was
looking for a job. I was on Indeed, and then that was one of the
positions open.
Caretaker.
Was a caretaker for elderly.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
And then I was reading the job descriptions, and it was like, "You have
to clean them if they use the restroom.
You have to take them, you have to give them a bath."
Yeah.
I was like, "Uh, let me skip over that one."
It's-- thank God for the people who are caregivers and-
Yeah. Shout out them.
Right?
But man, that is a-
It's a tough job because-
I would not want to wake up to that
... we're nasty. Like humans are gross. We're gross.
Like the stink-
Only my baby's the only person I'm going to change.
Right? Yeah. So okay, that's one
categoryAnd then the other categories are, I
have directorship, so I sit on a lot of different committees and boards and
so-
Like the decision-makers?
Yes.
Oh, wow.
And so, yeah.
That's important.
I try to be involved.
But mostly I'm probably just disruptive and cracking jokes.
Because I want people to have fun a little bit, not be so serious.
Mm.
So that's another thing. So you don't have to just do patient care.
There's some, I would say politics or admin that you can do.
And then I have clinics, so I just
launched an outpatient place. It's a functional medicine practice.
I don't know if you know what that is.
The one in Florida?
Yes.
The one in J.
You saw. Okay. Yeah. So that's so fun.
Isn't that pretty so far away, too?
It's not too far.
Are you from there?
Mm-hmm.
Florida? We're in California.
Yeah.
Florida's on the other side.
Okay, but if you catch a flight from here to Denver and then Denver there, it's so
easy.
Oh, okay. I didn't think of it like that. I'll just hop on the jet.
It's actually so pleasant. Yeah, right? You just hop on the jet.
You just work harder. You just literally work harder, and then you
can have whatever you want.
Oh. The words that are being spoken today.
I literally just work harder.
Did you
always want something way over there, or
were there not really any options-
No
... over here in Bakersfield?
No.
Or more closer, I guess.
When I activated this whole process prior to
launching it,
Fitology, I thought it was in California.
Mm.
But it was already in motion. I already had spoken
to the owner, and I-
It's kind of a key detail not to-
I know
... have it, right?
Yeah. So it's like-
The location being from California to Florida.
You know what? Sort of. It-
Just a small difference in the plans.
Yeah. No, that's hilarious.
Okay, so to highlight that is just very true to me.
I've never believed in a geographical boundary, ever.
Mm.
Ever. And-
That's good that people are-- You want to know Floridians?
Is
that what you call them?
Yeah. Floridian.
Floridian.
Floridanian.
And Californians, and Bakersfieldians all on your side.
Yeah.
So-
I feel they're so similar, though. The people are very similar.
They're-
Did you have any history in Florida, or was it just-
Me? Yeah, because I was born and raised there.
Oh.
Yeah.
Oh, well, that makes a big difference.
Yeah, and I did my undergrad there.
I went to Orlando, Adventist University for radiology, and
then I did pre-med at UWF, University of West Florida.
So yeah. I have-
What did you do in Bakersfield?
I married some random guy from here.
And then I got my training here, my residency, and then I just
kind of loved it, so-
Oh
... here we are.
Congratulations on the marriage.
Thank you.
Marriage?
No. Well, then we got divorced. So-
Oh. Oh
... we can say congratulations on that, and then now I'm engaged.
Oh.
Well,
whatever.
You don't have to keep up with it. You know what?
Relationships are hard.
Oh my gosh.
What's your status?
I have a-
If you're on Facebook, how would you click?
Well, if you go on my profile, you'll see my girlfriend.
She's the mother of my baby.
Mm.
And then she's like,
"We should get married. I should have a ring on my finger."
And I think right now I definitely see it in the future, potentially.
I'm not going to because you never know.
I
never thought I'd be having a baby at 27, and-
Yeah
... but really, I think there's really no perfect time to have a baby, and-
Yeah
... in the long run, I don't think you're going to regret having a baby. You know?
Like literally-
No, look at how much you light up just talking about it.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I-
It's like a mini you
... enjoy being a father because
even years before I had the baby-
Mm-hmm
... I was like, "I know I'm going to be a father." So I think one thing that was
always consistent-
That's crazy
... in my lifetime was I was like, "I just know that there's going to be a mini
Miguel."
Yeah.
And here he is now.
Oh my gosh.
But
she's my girlfriend.
I think-
How long have you guys been dating?
It's been-
Sorry to pry- ... but you opened the door.
Yeah. Well, we've known each other for, I want to say, I'm
27. Whoo. Here we go.
Is that old to you? Because to me, you're so young.
I'm 29.
At times it feels kind of old, especially when I'm around
younger people, like 20.
Because I sometimes drive down colleges and even down high schools.
Yeah.
And when I was in high school, the seniors there, even when I was a senior, I
remember like, "Oh, they're like an adult.
They have a mortgage." "These guys are..." Especially the football team.
And now when I drive down high schools, I'll drive down
just depending where I'm at, like around the Central Valley.
Mm-hmm.
But these kids look like kids. These kids look like-
They look so young
... kids.
Yes.
They're like this tall.
Yeah.
And then I'll sometimes even drive down colleges like San Luis
Obispo. Sometimes I go down there-
Mm-hmm
... or down BC or CSUB.
Yeah.
They look a little older than kids.
Yeah. So the older-
And I'm like, "What the heck?"
... you get, the younger-
Yeah, and now it's like-
... people look.
Yeah, pretty much.
Yeah.
And even now my sister who,
there's
a 12... Is it 12?
There's something like that age gap.
Yeah.
But she's graduating from BC this year.
Oh my gosh.
And this year is my 10-year reunion from high school.
I love this for you.
I don't know if anyone has Liberty information on the 10-year reunion,
but I'd love to know.
Oh, yeah. Please send it. Or you can just DM me, Dr. Celli, on my Instagram.
Or what is your Instagram?
Miguel. Miguel Angel Morales, my full government name.
Perfect. He is looking to find Liberty of-
If Liberty is having... Or maybe I have already started.
Maybe I just might invite everybody.
Maybe you're now the person in charge of scheduling this.
Yeah, I just unofficially gave myself the job.
Did you have a 10-year reunion?
Oh, gosh. If I did, no one invited me.
Oh, man.
That's hilarious.
Did you do sports in high school? Or were you kind of like-
Yeah
... the cool kid?
I don't want to self-proclaim cool kid, but like-
Not cool, popular.
I was homecoming queen and
anything that you could be voted for- ... that was me.
Not bragging, it's just reality. And then I played soccer, and I
did cheerleading.
Which one did you like more?
Ah, soccer. It's more brutal.
Yeah, you look pretty competitive.
Thanks. Do I?
Did you like more of the-
I like that
... did you like more of the school events or the sports events?
Sports.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Throughout high school I did running.
Okay.
Cross-country and track.
Okay.
So,
built for-
Man
... going the extra mile.
Yes. And look at these legs, okay.
Meant for running, I see them.
And
yeah, and then that was my whole spiel
throughout. I
had maybe like
four, five, six friends or so all of high school.
But honestly, high school was a really, really good experience for me.
It taught me just the value of teamwork, because I had my guys-
Yeah
... my guys around me.
Mm-hmm.
And then we knew what the mission was. And there was...
I mean, besides getting good grades and going to college.
Yeah.
But the mission was winning races.
Yeah.
And it's just like even though it's individual, it was definitely a team-
Kept you out of trouble
... team. That too, yeah.
Yeah.
It definitely kept me out of trouble because I was
bound to be a bad boy a little bit.
You were like-
I'll go 80 on the 70-mile freeway.
Okay, sir. You need to-
So I'm like, "I know"
... slow it down. Where's my shades?
I'm going to-
Okay.
I'm not used to crying.
All right, Miguel, I'm going to read your
bio. It's super short.
Sure.
But,
okay, just so people can know a little bit about you. All right.
So Miguel Morales is a California private investigator,
aspiring Norteno, did I say that right?
Mm-hmm.
Accordion performer and content creator documenting discipline,
family life, fitness, and personal growth.
His content centers around structure, work ethic, fatherhood, and
building a long-term vision with balancing real-world responsibilities.
Wow, what a bio you read.
I love this.
So do you still play the accordion?
Yeah, that's definitely more just like an
identity building
after running, because running for so long, I ran for
years, almost a decade. I guess that's not long
compared to you.
It's okay. I'm still running from my problems. You're fine.
I'm still running.
But when you definitely have, say you're a doctor, right?
And let's just say the doctor got taken away, it's like, "Oh, man, I don't know.
I need something to build."
Oh my gosh.
"I need something that is me."
Yeah.
And I had the baby and I became a father, which was awesome.
But
that's ever long. That's an ever-long-
Yeah
... journey. And that's going to be something that is day by day,
month by month, grows and grows. Because even just a year,
my baby was like this, and now he's
ready to apply for jobs and stuff. And that's how I see my
accordion a little bit, too, because I got it in June of last year.
That's my birth month. That was a-
Wait, you just started playing this-
Yeah
... in your adulthood?
Yeah, I just started last year.
Okay. That's rare and amazing.
Mm-hmm.
What inspired that?
I
just needed something to take my mind off, because I was working long hours,
and on top of that, I'm trying to keep myself fit-
Mm-hmm
... so I can protect my family if someone comes.
Yeah. Totally.
And trying to keep food in the fridge.
I went to Walmart-
Yeah
... the other day, and I bought just
essentials for the bathroom, like soap and shampoo and tooth...
You know those-
Yeah
... essential stuffs.
Essentials, yeah.
That was like $120. I'm like, "Oh my God."
Oh my gosh. You would expect better from Walmart.
No, and it's just like as a adult and then father, and then people
kind of relying on you, it's like, "Oh my God, do I got to start
robbing banks?" I'm like ready to
go to the underworld or something.
Oh my gosh. Yeah.
But it's definitely a bit... And with the
accordion, I bought it as a self-present because it was my birthday.
Okay.
I had turned 26 and I was like, "Let me buy something for me."
I love a self-present.
And no joke, at the time, the accordion was
$1,200. And at the time,
that was like all the money in the world to me.
Yeah.
And I saved up for it, and I was like, "Let's do it." And I bought it.
Why did you choose the accordion? Did you see something that inspired you, or was
there a vacation that you're like, "That"?
Have you heard an accordion in live?
Yeah. And I'm sad that you didn't bring this.
Oh, well, maybe next time I will.
Please, yeah.
We can do like a little... What are they called?
Coffee tables or round tables, a live performance.
Whatever you call it, I'm here for it. Let's do it.
And-
I'll bring my violin
... and the equipment here is all super cool too.
Right?
It'd probably make me sound a lot better than
yeah. But it was just something, a self-project
journey.
Yeah.
And it was cool too because I could see the progress
with... I just started playing it, my baby's small, now my baby's
big.
Uh-huh.
I recently performed at a quinceañera, which was-
Oh, that's amazing
... super awesome.
And they didn't invite me. They
weren't like, "Miguel, we need your services to make this party lit." But-
You just happened to arrive
... but I was there. Yeah, I was there.
My accordion was in my car, and the
vibes going. People are drinking a little bit.
I just happened to have it.
The DJ set is set up, and someone was like, "Do you have the accordion?" I'm like,
"I sure do."
Actually, it was even in the car. Stop.
I was ready.
It was like on you.
It was right on the door, yeah. No, but I was ready for the moment.
And then I just got up there, I played a few songs.
That's how you do life.
If you're not getting paid in cash, at least get paid in applause.
And that was very well enough for me.
Yeah. No, recognition and-
Yeah
... visibility-
And even-
... that is everything
... and it's pretty great because just like this, I was pretty nervous just to get
on the mic.
Why?
Can you imagine there's a party of like, at least for
me, 40 people or 30 people, which is a lot.
Yeah.
Can you imagine 40 people coming and trying to rob this place?
That'd be a lot of people. I'm like, "Ah." You know?But there I am
with my accordion, and I'm about to step on the mic and sing.
I'm like, "What am I doing?"
Wait, were you good yet? Or was it one of those starter intros where
you're like-
No
... I just have to rip the Band-Aid off, suck for a little bit, and
then just... Was it bad?
If they had tomatoes, I'm pretty sure they would've thrown tomatoes at me, and
that's my family. That's family and friends.
I'm pretty sure-
Family's the worst
... I'm sure they would've.
Oh, my God. Family's the worst. Is this recorded?
I have some on my TikTok, but-
You have to post and send.
And then-
Please.
But yeah. I-
I have to see this
... but it's definitely just
give me time. That's all I ask for, just give me patience, give me some time.
But I've always loved the... And then also, too, just the whole vibe of
it. I
haven't done it to the full extent yet.
Pending.
Oh.
It will be done.
Mm-hmm.
But you get a full outfit, colorful colors.
Yeah.
Maybe a sombrero.
Go all the way.
And then-
Why would you halfway do this?
And then there's the party. There's the big party.
Yeah.
There's a section that just kind of sits and eats, they just talk mingo.
Then there's the crowd that dances.
Yeah.
There's the crowd that's part of the
fun.
Yeah.
And then there's this little group select of guys that are on the stage.
And I used to be the one that just sat down.
I would sit down, watch people dance-
Oh my gosh
... and then I built up the courage to like, "Let me go ask someone to dance.
Let me go dance."
Good for you.
And then I got pretty good. I think, not to toot my own horn, but I think
I'm a pretty good dancer. And then when I was dancing-
Like salsa?
Like this.
Okay. Is it a style of like-
We dance
norteño songs, which are kind of like fast songs-
Okay
... in Spanish.
Okay.
There's corridos, which are a bit more like-
... a little more passionate songs.
Okay. Like tango?
You could definitely incorporate-
Yeah
... tango. It's close sometimes.
It's like a sexy dance.
You could-
Yeah
... you could make it. There's versions like that. There's editions like that.
Okay.
There's also just rhythm dances. You spin them around.
It's a good time.
Yeah.
And then
I saw the guys on stage, and I would see-
Oh my gosh
... I would see how everyone reacted around them, and I was like, "Ah, let me start
making the transition over there." And I'm definitely in the building phase when
it comes to the accordion.
Hey, that's brave.
Thanks.
You know what? You just saw your moment, and you're like, "This is what I want to
do," and you just got up there.
Sweating bullets-
No, you-
... when I was up there
Yeah.
I was like, "Argh."
That's everything.
Yeah.
To me, that's your yes. That's life saying check mark, yes.
Yeah. And I remember-
Because you cared.
Yeah, I cared a lot.
Yeah.
And
I think sometimes too, you just need to get up when you're not 100% ready.
And I don't really think-
You're never 100%
... anyone is ever really 100% ready
... ever.
You know?
I wasn't ready for this.
Me neither.
You want to play? Do you know how to play chess?
Mm, I'm kind of a mess in chess, but if you want to pretend-
Well
... if you want to play checkers, we could play checkers.
Let's play chess.
I just want to give you advice that I do not know how to play, so just-
Perfect. I can murder you here.
I'm curious-
Just kidding. You guys, don't watch our game. Just look away.
I'm curious
to add, and I don't know if this is a personal question, but do you ever want
kids in the future or potentially in your future?
I do. Yeah, I do. So, I'm 42, and I am
working on that.
Ah. I definitely think-
Yeah
...
because if you don't take over the world, who's going to take over the world?
Who's going to take over the world?
And you and your little-
So it has to be me
... baby Valerie.
Yeah. It has to.
Would you want a boy or a girl as your first one?
I think a girl
because I'm just super girly.
Mm, I think that matches you a little bit more.
Yeah. Right?
Do you have any potential names?
Oh my gosh. Good question. I don't know.
That's such a fun question.
I really like the name Kai. I don't know why.
Oh, gee. You want to hear my son's name?
Yeah.
Makai.
Stop.
Yeah.
That's so fun.
Literally.
Well, love that. It's okay. Justin
upgraded us here.
Oh my.
But I run into it a lot.
I'm not going to be invited back.
Oh, okay. That's really fun. That's fun to know.
How did you meet your current fiancé? That's pretty exciting.
Yeah. It was St. Patrick's Day, and we were all wearing green.
I had these cute little clover glasses.
Of this year?
No. This was 2022.
Mm.
I know.
Shouldn't you be inside with a mask?
What?
In that time.
No.
No, COVID was just like, it was fleeting.
We were like, "Eh."
Crazy times back then, huh?
Yeah. So I was actually a resident doctor, and so I was
pretty much living at Kern Medical and just
living the undream.
You know, I heard-
Working like a dog
... you know, I heard that during the whole
COVID era-
Mm-hmm
... a lot of the nurses, the ones that were helping the patients,
now keep in mind, I forgot the source, and I don't know where the source is from-
... but I remember reading something like this, that it was because the doctors,
they're not afraid of the sickness because they're just helping.
They're not even thinking as compared to the-
It's like you're impossible to avoid it, really.
Yeah, and as compared to the patient-
Mm-hmm
... they're in there with the mindset like, "Ah, I'm going to die."
Yeah.
And even the fact that you're saying all that is affecting how you're
physically ill.
Yeah.
I thought that was pretty interesting.
I'll tell you, there were several moments where
even our attendings were called out sick
because it did wipe out a lot of people from just either showing
up or whatever.
But there were a lot of moments where, "I'm sorry, I'm all that you have."
The real doctors- ... I wasn't graduating yet.
The real doctors are out sick.
I'm doing my best.
I'm
all that you have. And so oxygen saturation, you
really want it 89% or higher. So if you're on room air,
awesome. If you're on a nasal cannula, great, 89% is
the goal. Or if you have a face mask, great, 89% and
higher. This lady was around 50%, and you start to lose
brain cells the longer you keep somebodyBelow that
89%. And so
she was like, this one lady in particular,
she couldn't really hear, and she's elderly.
Mm.
So screw all the PPE, what do you
do? So I'm just yelling at her face- ...
right here.
She's like, "What?"
Yeah. And I'm getting her consent for intubation, and so it's
like, I don't know. What is the answer here?
I'm like, "Your oxygen is really low."
"You might die. I need you to focus."
"Do you want me to intubate you?"
It's like, I'm going to... I don't know.
It's just like-
I can't imagine the things you see in the hospital
... but like how could you not get it, right?
If I'm going to get COVID, that was a great moment for it, because I'm right here,
basically I'm in her face. She can barely hear me, and it's hitting
my eyes, I'm sure. Because she's yelling back.
So there's just moments like that where you're
very exposed. So it's like, how much germ are we really
preventing? I don't know.
Mm. Where'd you, St. Patrick's Day?
Mm-hmm.
Was that at a bar, or?
It was at a bar-
Oh
... called a restaurant, if my parents are asking.
In Florida or here in Bakersfield?
It was here.
Oh.
Yeah, McGarry's.
Bakersfield love. McGarry's. Oh-
McGarry's
... what a great foundation for love.
It's such a good foundation. It's the church of Bakersfield.
My, and did you guys just hit it off from there and-
Yeah, we did. We did. Yeah, and I think I was probably more the
pursuer-
Mm
... which is, I admit it.
Was that different from your
previous ones?
Yes. It was.
Mm.
Mm-hmm.
That's pretty great. You've been married...
I don't know, you could cut this if you want.
But you've been married-
Well, like, mm-hmm
... you've been married, right? And divorced?
Twice.
Twice?
Yes.
My goodness.
Yeah, but who's counting? It's just math.
For someone,
I guess like me, if someone who has a relationship, and we live
together, we do a lot of things together, actually.
The household has a pretty good rhythm.
But with your experience, married twice, divorced.
I can't even imagine the... That just sounds so stressful.
It feels like-
Like getting married, because you just get more people involved, and it's like, we
can't come to an agreement.
Oh, yeah.
Why are we going to bring way more other people involved?
Now we have laws that we have to introduce to all this. Now we want paperwork.
It makes it very legal.
And it's like, it just seems
like not a relation. It just seems like-
It kills romance
... yeah. It's like you're-
Mm-hmm
... you're doing too much. But I understand from the girl's point of view-
Yeah
... getting married and-
Uh-huh
... the white dress and the ring, but I'm like, there's a day after that.
You know?
Mm-hmm.
There's a daily life that happens.
But would you-
Are you asking why?
Well, I was going to ask, would you recommend, on a scale of one to 10 now, with 10
being like, "Yeah, get married."
Yeah.
And zero being like, "Eh."
Where would you rank?
My marriage scale is like,
it's okay to wait until you know. And if that takes you
years before you know, and you're at a six to
10, if you're at a five, don't do it.
Mm.
If you're a five or less, don't do it.
But if you're at a six to 10, I would say go for it.
Dang.
And-
These, they could get degrees, huh?
Yeah.
Like a pain scale. Like I would give you your narcotic-
Six, you're going to survive
at a six
... out of six to 10. Certainty, but there's literally no guarantee.
And I think my recent trip to Malta, which is
where my family is from, really kind of put marriage into
perspective for me.
What happened?
So, okay, marriage in America is really,
it seems more about love
and like-
Marriage in America?
Yeah.
Okay.
And more of like the Cinderella story, like, we're just
going to live happily ever after.
Oh, yeah.
Right?
There's no bills, there's no responsibilities.
Yeah. We just love each other.
There's no daily life.
We love each other so much, and then we just get to have fun every day, and
I just always love you and like you, which are two
totally different things.
Yeah.
And so that's not
real. That's not real. So anyway, my family in Malta-
And the listeners, hear that?
Yeah. Please hear that. So-
It is not real
... it's not real.
You is looking at some-
No, you're really looking at like logistics-
... some artificial stuff.
Yeah. So like it's really about your
genes, your
name, your family name. So do you want
your... Who do you want to mate with?
Which sounds so, in a weird way,
not sexy, but I think it is so important, and that's the way the
world seems to really view marriage and your
offspring, and like what do you want for your children?
How, like you're creating your heritage, your lineage, your
legacy.
Mm-hmm.
So that is different. And so
I just, yeah, it's not because of like a feeling of like love and fluffy and
like... No, it is respectful, I think, in a sense
to-
Good job
... yeah.
You're like honoring each other and you're acknowledging like, I respect your
genetic pool.
Genetically speaking-
I will keep my mouth shut.
I will not say what's in my mind.
No, always say your mind, because the other person should be able to handle it.
Mm. That's a good point.
Yeah.
Gosh. On a scale of one to 10, how spiritual are you?
I'm, ooh, okay. This is a hard one
because I do believe in God. I
think spirituality is just proven to
me on a personal level,
and it exists within me, and it does
move me and guide me in a lot of my decisions.
And then there's some things where it's like, I don't know why I feel drawn to this
person, but I have to just talk to them.
And so, there-In a sense,
I guess a six. I'm not like a 10 on a scale of a cult.
Whoa. That makes the cut accordingly. Like a six or a 10, go ahead, get married.
Yeah, it makes the cut.
Yeah. You're just fair.
Yeah, it means an action in a direction. If you're a five, figure it out.
Stay over there.
You're a gray boring zone. You're not my type.
Well, do you
go to church on Sundays?
No, I feel allergic to church.
Mm. It's okay.
Yeah. Because I had excessive church growing up
and-
Like forced church on you?
Yes.
Ah.
It was like, I'm not kidding, six days a week.
Oh my God.
Yeah, sometimes seven. And then my parents had a bed and breakfast.
I'd be like, "I think he heard the prayers."
I heard the prayer. I did extra for you-
You done got-
... your family, your friends
... he has prayers on voicemail by me.
And our church was five hours minimum. I'm not kidding.
Oh my gosh.
They would sing until they were done singing. When are they done singing?
When they're done singing.
No, when the sun went down.
I was starving. I just remember I was a teenager and I'm like,
"I'm so hungry. Can we go eat?"
Make a mess.
And then my family is like, "Well, church is not done." I'm like,
"I can't."
Is your family still like that? Like still churchy?
Oh my gosh. I'm scared to even answer this.
Mm.
Okay. Yes,
but my mom and dad go to different churches now, and so my
dad, I don't know, I think he's Assembly of God, and then my
mom, she goes to a Jewish church, and she's not Jewish.
Are they in Florida or Bakersfield?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah, they're in Florida.
Okay.
Yeah. What about you?
I've been going to church for quite a
bit. I want to say I started really
on my own reading the Bible maybe a couple of years ago, even back
when I was living with my parents and jobless
and in their garage, I would still open up the Bible and
I'm like, "What am I doing?"
Yeah.
And then I would go to church
by myself, and I would just kind of sit in the corner and watch, and as soon as it
ended, I'd leave. And
then eventually
I started taking my girlfriend after we got pregnant and the baby
was born, and
pretty much now, I think for the past since...
My son's 15 months, and for the past since he's been born, I think since he
was in the womb, he's been going to church every Sunday.
Good.
And as far as just like an invisible pillar,
that's definitely part of my week is Sunday.
Sunday's like no work at all.
I love that.
If you call me,
don't expect a response unless we're doing-
Hey
... "The Black Sheep White Coat" podcast.
It's okay. We don't film on Sundays, so... Right, Justin?
He's doing fun things and I'm doing non-work things, so we are
so aligned.
But going to church, I think it's definitely one of the key
pillars as far as I think in any relationship or just something that kind of
grounds you both-
Yep
... and something that you can both say, like,
"Can we both just
agree that there's something bigger right now?"
Yeah.
And-
Oh, I love that
... it definitely helps that we have a child involved because it's like...
Can you just look at the child for one second and realize you can you just keep the
boat afloat? Each other, god dang it.
Don't look at me, look at him.
Yeah.
Don't look at me, look at him.
But it's definitely really cool. I actually just got to meet the pastor-
That's cool
... my last service this past Sunday.
Mm-hmm.
He was out in the lobby with us regular people.
And then I was like, "Ah, I just want to say hi real quick.
Good luck."
Did you have the accordion?
No, I didn't have the accordion in church.
You need to have it on you. You need to play for the church.
That's your next like step in life.
That'd be pretty cool. "Hello, everyone.
Let me bless you all real quick."
Maybe a different word.
I'm just kidding.
But it's definitely kind of a cool...
I was watching
some other podcast,
I don't know when but it was a couple of weeks ago.
I don't know if your For You page is like mine or your algorithm is
like mine, but
you know, with the whole Epstein files and all of that being
released-
Mm-hmm
... and you're just seeing all these child
trafficking
operations go on.
Yeah.
And I was like, "Oh my God." And having a child now, too-
Yeah
... just the thought of something like that being a
possibility or real life is-
Horrible
... gut-wrenching.
Is your specialty in any of that as an investigator?
No, I handle more regular cases.
Okay.
The most
extent that I do as far as
individuals is probably infidelity.
Okay.
And then but as far as like-
Really?
But as far as criminals, like hardcore criminals-
Yeah
... let's build up to that a little bit.
Yeah.
But I was watching,
it was like an agent, someone who actually went on a mission and they
saved the kids.
Wow.
And the interview person asked them like, "Well, what do you think is the best
advice you can do to prevent all this?" And
he was like, "Well, it's going to happen.
If a lot of people worked all day, it's still going to happen.
The best thing you can do is really if you have a child or if there's a
child near, the best thing you can do is just show them
love and show them a warm
chest-
Yeah
... to grab onto. Show them a warm heart and show them what a-
Safety.
Yeah. Show them what a hug is. Because a lot of the people that were doing the
crimes-
Interesting
... as a child, they were in that situation.
So now that they're adults, that's really all they've known their entire life.
Just like teaching what a proper hug is and isn't.
Well, it's mainly just the concept, not the specific
instructions.
Yeah.
It's just more so showing a child love and safety-
Yeah
... and like, "Hey, there's good people."
Yeah.
And the world's not crazy sick.
Yeah.
But it's definitely a scary thought to think that it happens.
Like the victims of-
Yeah.
Yeah.
Those are real stories.
Horrible.
But-
Absolutely disgusting
... but the best thing you can do for your child is just to show them a happy
home, show them-
Mm
... a loving home. And
that's definitely always on my mind as far as just, let me just be
a safe space for my child.
Yeah.
Because eventually, he'll go out into the world and who knows.
Which is, I'm sure, terrifying.
Yeah, and even me, for my mother, I remember when I went off to college
and went off and was like, "I'm flying off the nest.
I got to go spread these wings."
That's me. I was out. 17, see ya.
But you definitely need that just, "Hey, this is
home. I'm your father, and this is your mother."
Yeah.
"We love you, and we got your back," kind of deal.
Aw, that's everything. Literally.
But it's a scary world.
Yeah.
But I would not change it. I would have more kids if I could, if
anything.
Are you going to?
I think so, yeah.
Okay.
I think
when I'm on my deathbed, I think I'd probably have like-
Why are you on your death... What happened before
your deathbed?
I transferred a couple of years. But I think in the future, I think I'd have a big
family. I remember I visited Mex-
What's a big family to you?
I remember I went to Mexico a couple of years ago, and my grandma, I got my
grandfather's sister. I got to meet her, and
I was asking her, like, "How many kids you got?" She's like, "Well, I have 10." And
I was like, "Oh, my God." And she's like 88 or something like that.
Oh, my gosh.
And I was like,
"Hey, when you were having those kids, there's no hospital." It's a ranch.
It's in Mexico.
Oh my gosh.
All you see is dirt and donkeys and chickens.
And I was like, "Where's the hospital?
You didn't go to the hospital?" She's like, "No, no, no, no.
We just, in the backyard." I was like-
... "Why are you saying it like that?
Why are you saying it so calm?"
They made it tougher back then.
And she's like, "Yeah, I just had my sister help me.
She grabbed the baby. I just pushed, and there was the baby." And I was like,
"I don't think that's how it's supposed to go."
Oh, my gosh.
Because my girlfriend, my mother, they're all in the hospital.
They have doctors around them. They have tubes.
Yeah.
Professional.
Yes.
And then here we are in Mexico, just eh.
Right?
Like we're making chicken or something.
Like it's nothing.
But I would like to have a big family, hopefully.
Yeah.
I think it'd be awesome to-
So 10?
Yeah, why not?
You're going to have to put a ring on it.
How many kids would you want,
potentially?
One.
Definitely one, I think.
Yeah, I want one.
If there were two, I can't even picture it.
It looks like one going that way, it looks so hard. I don't know.
I can't even fathom it.
Did none of your previous husbands want kids? Or I'm surprised you don't have kids.
They did. Yeah, they did. I didn't want
their genes.
Sorry, did it.
They got you married then.
Yeah, I know. But then I didn't think about it different.
Then I was like, "Love." And I do love my partner
now. It's just there's been a lot more thought that's gone
into it than just what my thoughts
were in my 20s and 30s.
Mm.
And yeah. Oh, I didn't finish. So when I went to Malta and I met a lot of
my family, there's a ton of cousins and
uncles and whatever. And so my-
Malta, where's that at?
It's right below Sicily in Italy.
Whoa.
It's a tiny little island. Yeah.
Okay. That's pretty far away.
It's really far. So it's in the Mediterranean, super
random.
But my cousin made this family tree, and if she watches this,
I'm so sorry, but it did impact me. Everybody had like a...
Okay, my mom's name is Valerie, so it's Valerie and Joe, and then there
was three... It was like a tree. She did a family tree.
And then my square, it was like everyone's square had their
children of.
Mm-hmm.
And then it's like me, and then my square was dead, and it was empty.
Add doctor in there.
It was like-
Add doctor in that square then.
... it was just like it stopped there.
And I was like,
it just was weird for me.
Add "Black Sheep White Coat" podcast in the bottom.
I cried. I was a blank square. I was just like, "Okay,
so -"
Yeah
... "I'm going to have a Yorkie, and he doesn't make the square?"
Yeah, it's definitely different.
I remember my uncle wanted to bring his dog for the family photo,
and my grandma was like,
"One photo. All right, take him out now."
So crazy.
Well, I'm definitely 100% I think you
should get kids.
Yeah.
Like 10 out of 10.
Yeah.
I'm glad I got your advice, 06 out of 10 on the marriage.
Okay, good. Yeah, and I think the logistics of it,
you need contributors. I just am a believer in a
contributor, so if you're showing up to a relationship, you need to
show all the way up with like you're 100, they're 100.
And if you have somebody who's trying to freeload or there's some other selfish
agenda, it just doesn't work.
Yeah. I think with anything, and even if it's agreed,
if one person feels like, "I'm doing so much work,"
and it's like-
That's not a partnership
... it's a...
But also, it's not very good, I think, to score keep,
because the score-
No, you can't
... is always just going to be never going to be even.
Right.
I think it's just having the bigger mission in mind.
Yes.
For example-
Huge
... with my example, it's like whether it's with church or
with the baby, let's just me and you take a step
back-
Mm-hmm
... and then seeLet's look at the main focus
as a whole thing.
Yeah.
And I think as long as all parties have the same mission in
mind-
Yeah
... the
exact strategy could be different, but as long as the mission is the same, I think-
Yeah
... everything's going to be okay.
I love that. And yeah, keeping focus on something bigger than
you is, I think, the answer.
Mm-hmm.
So whether it's spiritual, whether it's the mission of the day,
the mission of family, the mission of whatever, I think having that
bigger vision and mission keeps things in
perspective. And just thinking, like, "Am I ready to die on this
hill?" "Is this the fight that I'm going to just cancel
the family tree over?"
Yeah. That definitely makes a lot of sense.
Yeah.
Do you
have a big family, like your immediate family?
So I have a brother and a sister,
and my dad comes from a big family. So my
grandmother on his side, she had, I think,
15 or 16 siblings. It's insane.
Oh my gosh.
I know.
From the same mom and dad?
The same mom and dad. That's Malta.
Is that possible? Is that legal?
That's Malta. That's old world for you.
Yeah. People back then were just popping them out like Pop-Tarts.
It's crazy.
Yeah. It's insane.
And now it's just like one, two kids. Ugh, that sounds like a lot.
It's like, we're not ready yet. Yeah.
I think there's an actual decline in the population because many people don't have
kids.
Yeah.
Do you have any nephews or nieces?
Yes, I do. So my sister, who's younger, she has three,
and I love her kids so much. I think they're awesome.
Mm-hmm.
So I'm the cool aunt.
And then my little brother who's the youngest, he just had a son.
So-
Everyone's having kids.
I know. So it's fun. It is
cool.
Aw.
Yeah, but I think there's options out there.
So I think science is... I's stepping into it at the right
time, so I don't carry a stress about it.
So I think if anybody listening to this does have a
fertility stress and they're like, "Oh my God, I chose my career," it's like you
didn't choose, life chose you. And so you're where you're meant
to be, and so I know I'm where I'm meant to be.
I'm not walking with the stress of fertility.
Oh, my eggs, the time, blah, blah, blah. I think that's nonsense.
I think the organic nature of it,
the romantic part of it, maybe that part
is less and it's more logistics, right?
Like timing and all that stuff. But that's fine.
I'm okay with it.
Not everybody gets the Cinderella, perfect story,
natural, whatever. And in your situation, I love how you described
it, we didn't plan for it, but it happened.
Yeah, and sometimes those are probably the best side main-
Yeah
... quests ever, the ones you don't expect.
And look at the joy. That is just really cool.
So I think whatever the scenario is, it's like you're meant to
be in it.
Mm-hmm. And then you can also just give a good
way to keep time because it's like he's a year now, and he's
changed so much from day one to one year.
Yeah.
And that's very similar to how we are.
Yeah.
In one year, you could go from-
Oh, I grow tremendously-
To like-
... my milestones.
Yeah. Do you have any
2026 goals that you have left to accomplish-
Hmm
... that I can know of, or are they private?
Oh, definitely nothing's private. Not one thing. Literally not one thing.
Yes. Okay.
There's no end to me. I literally
live for this. I live for goals. I love it so much that I
need people that are more calm than me.
Do you have a big vision board or something on the home?
I don't make vision boards, but in my headspace, in my thinking-
Vision brain.
Vision brain. Yeah. Today I
did a recovery cycle, which is infrared sauna, lymphatic
drainage, and a cold plunge.
And then, yeah, a sauna is like you're in this box, and it's
190 degrees, and so I was in there-
Just go outside in Vegas to experience that.
I know. I know. I could. That'd be cheaper.
But yeah, so I was sitting in there with my friend,
Andrea, and so we were just like, "Okay, let's plan this wellness event.
Let's book this date, and then let's go.
We can have a local one, and then we can have..." We were just like, boom, boom,
boom, hit, hit. So I live for that.
It lights my brain up. It fills my soul.
I just love it so much. So I don't
feel like there's an end or there has to be
any sort of... I don't know. I try to not live in a box
of, okay, once I do this, then I'm done.
Mm.
Those words will never leave my mouth.
So there's always something to tackle?
Always. So, and really when it comes to my relationships,
the people that know me and love me, they have to also just know that to be true
for me. So either you love that or you hate it.
Yeah, it's definitely... So your goals is just to be more,
as far as the sauna, and more active with the cold plunge?
No. So while I was in that space today, so
while I was in there, I was just brainstorming because my friend was with me.
So it's just one of those things where it doesn't matter where I'm at, even in
the most relaxing spaces, I enjoy
thinking about what are we building-
Oh, your brain's just always-
Yes
... like
It's lit up. Yes. But that brings me so much
life. That is me.
Mm-hmm.
And so that resonates with me and people who are also like
that. SoAnd I've learned anybody who
I've brought into my space that maybe is turned off by that or like, "Oh,
you should really chill." It's like, "You should really leave."
When you were in your 20s, was it always
kind of like this?
Always.
Like just grrr.
Yeah.
Always, and I think it's good. It brings energy, but then also
the people that can at least appreciate it, but then they're
more laid back, I think they're good for me as well.
Mm.
So...
Yeah, I think it's just a balance-
Yes
... because you can't just be like that like all day.
No. By myself, I'll drive myself to the ground, right?
So having somebody who's like, "Hey, you should sit
down."
And I do. I'll sit down.
Yeah.
Or, "You should go on this vacation with me." "Okay, let's go."
So that brings a really good balance for my
personality
because it's definitely, it's a lot.
Yeah. Well, you could definitely tell. I love the studio, by the way.
This is
probably the most professional studio I've been-
Oh, good
... been able to partake in.
Good.
When did you start the whole... Because I'm pretty early, right?
I feel like I joined the wagon before it became the bandwagon.
What is this? I'm in the first 10 episodes, right? Or something like that?
Justin, do you know the answer to that?
I think we're episode 13, so you're within the first half. Okay.
Yeah, that's still like-
Pretty darn close
... that's pretty, like okay, he was a real one back then-
I love it
... before it turns into-
Legit
... ah, you know the f**k, like I was there before it became hot.
I love it.
But I love it. I think the
numbers are just
bound to catch up compared to the quality.
Yeah.
Since the quality is up here and-
Right
... eventually the numbers will just go like that too, and then-
Yeah
... I'm glad I got to just be in the middle.
Oh, I love it. Okay, so pick from our bowl of
questions, and let's see what our final question is.
Okay.
Okay, this is pretty interesting.
My question is cardio or weightlifting?
Well, I came from a cardio, but I think both.
If I could choose both, I think you should definitely incorporate,
at least in the gym, because sometimes the gym's a little like, ugh,
I just don't want to work out.
Mm-hmm.
Especially if you're working all day and you got
kids, you got some outside activity you want to practice, like accordion.
And then you still got to train, guys.
Like accordion.
You still got to lift, you still got to be strong.
You got to protect your family.
But I always start my... For the most part, if my legs aren't completely
drained, I'll start with a 10, 15-minute run,
because that definitely gets you sweaty.
Mm-hmm.
And once you see yourself in the mirror sweaty-
Mm-hmm
... it's like, okay, let's work this thing.
Yeah.
And then
30 minutes, 15 minutes-
Of lifting?
... 45 minutes. Yeah, really it's just
momentum.
Mm-hmm.
It's just consistency with the weight training and with cardio.
Mm-hmm.
Because you
can't be like
not train Monday through Friday and then let me run for an hour on Saturday.
It's a-
That's like an injury waiting to happen.
Yeah. It'd be much better to run for 5, 10 minutes Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday,
Thursday, and Friday than just one hour on Friday, and
I definitely would incorporate cardio and weightlift.
My answer is both. Both are important.
Okay.
And-
It sounds like 60 minutes is your workout time.
If it's a really, really good day, yeah, 60 minutes.
Mm-hmm.
But there's a lot of days too where it's like 15 minutes, and it's
in the living room, just pushups.
Okay, good.
It was funny. Yesterday me and my girlfriend were having a little
and I'd long day at work, like 12 hours, and I came
back, and I was like, and it's like, ugh, my side, ugh, her
side, ugh.
And I was like, "Well, what could I do?" And I was planning on like, "I'm going to
the gym because I need to decompress." And I was like-
Yeah
... "Well, let me
put on a workout video." And I don't know who this guy is. I forgot his name.
But for 20 minutes, we were just doing air squats.
We were working out, and I think that's a good couple-
That's awesome
... quality too, just to do little activities like that and-
Yep
... because you just need to stay active a little bit, especially with the little
one.
Yeah.
And they're running around. They're growing. They're starting to get stronger.
My son is pretty strong, especially when I try to brush his teeth.
He's like-
Oh my gosh.
Pretty crazy.
Did it change your attitudes?
I think it just gave me more patience because-
... I'm telling you, my patience is, I have to pray like, "Please give
me patience today."
Yeah.
And-
Yeah
... because babies, and then even
a grown female adult as well, you got to have patience for them as well too,
and it's like-
Absolutely
... it's just like this is my family. This is who I was given.
Let me just take a deep breath and realize that
there's a bigger mission.
Mm-hmm.
And like you said a lot earlier too, I think I gravitate more towards what you said
on this side, with legacy.
Mm-hmm.
It's
just having kind of what future and what environment you want to create for your
child and-
Yeah
...
it was just yesterday, every day is kind of like a day by day battle, and every
day is a little bit different, but yesterday I'm glad.
Even during tense moments, my son got to see his mom and dad
working out. He got to see-
Love that
... his mom and dad having dinner together and-
Yeah
...
his mom and dad reading the Bible together.
Yeah.
Mom and dad laying down and going to sleep with mom on my
right, dad on my left.
Yep.
And here I am with my bottle, and then he cries, and I'm like, "Why you crying?
You got a good life."
You don't know struggle.
But yeah.
Well, keep in mind that the
follicular phase and LH phase, the luteal phase is part
of being a woman.
Yeah.
So if she is in her luteal phase, you might experience a little
bit more irritability, more of a cat-like behavior.
Oh, man.
And then more like retriever and snuggly like around your
follicular phase that is earlier in the cycle.
So just keep that in mind as some fun, friendly
relationship advice.
Oh, man, those are like some Chinese words to me.
Thank you so much, Miguel, for coming on. It was an absolute pleasure.
Yeah, what a great time this was.
And I think that's a wrap. Thank you guys for joining us