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NET Society is unraveling the latest in digital art, crypto, AI, and tech. Join us for fresh insights and bold perspectives as we tap into wild, thought-provoking conversations. By: Derek Edwards (glitch marfa / collab+currency), Chris Furlong (starholder, LAO + Flamingo DAO), and Aaaron Wright & Priyanka Desai (Tribute Labs)
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Aaron
Hey! Hey, everyone!
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Pri
Yo!
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Chris
Welcome to the show.
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Pri
How are you guys feeling?
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Aaron
I'm great. Just had my fourth coffee. Ready to rock this?
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Chris
But let's break this down there because I'm on my second coffee free. Real quick. Coffee check.
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Pri
I'm zero coffee's. I'm raw dogging the day. As Zuckerberg would say.
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Aaron
Does he say that? When did he ever say that?
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Pri
He said that on like, a Joe Rogan podcast or something. I remember, like, really? Like clipped it. Yeah. I'm telling you, my, like, Twitter feed is absolute dog shit.
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Aaron
I just have a really hard time hearing Mark Zuckerberg say raw dog.
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Pri
Yeah, it was year.
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Aaron
These are thoughts that I don't really want to have in my head.
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Pri
I'll send you the pup later.
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Chris
So for you, you just living on monitoring situations and dopamine or do you usually have coffee by now? What's your routine here?
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Pri
I usually have coffee by now. I don't know why today I haven't yet. I definitely have at least 1 or 2 cups by now.
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Chris
Okay. Got it. Yeah, I need to have two cups of coffee for really functioning. And the fact that I'm, like, having my second cup on the show means we're only going to get, like, 60% me.
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Aaron
Well, for the first 20 minutes. Right. And then,
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Chris
Then it's going to kick in and yes, I'm going to, I'm going to launch, a soliloquy like an an Randian style monologue.
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Aaron
Please do, please do.
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Pri
I actually love that Fountainhead monologue. So let's not hate right now.
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Chris
Oh my God. Look, I haven't read her in a long, long time. And there's a very good reason why.
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Aaron
Yeah, I, I I'm with you. I think it's important to read it, not to, like, treat it as like a Bible or gospel in any capacity. But it definitely thought provoking books.
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Chris
I was in a hotel once in Seattle, and we were just hanging out down the lobby having drinks or whatever is late at night, and there's a big group wandered in and they were just the strangest people. And we finally got to talking to them, and we were just like, what the hell is going on here? And they it was a meetup of I can't remember what the name of her organization or like, the organization around her was like Randian Objectivist.
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Pri
There's something oh that's funny.
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Chris
Yeah, it was just one of those, like, I did not expect to be running into this, this part of the world at this moment in time.
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Pri
In Seattle of all places.
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Chris
Actually.
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Pri
It's actually weirdly, because of, like, the tech adjacency.
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Chris
I should have ran out, dropped a quarter in my local Anti-fur hotline.
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Pri
It's so true.
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Aaron
How do you know that? Said Hotline Chris. How do you know? Said hotline.
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Chris
It's one 800 revolutions. And then I just, you know, there's just like Antifa here. And I'm, like, connected to the Seattle black bloc. I got Randi an objection. Objectivist on the phone in the hotel.
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Aaron
What do you think? If they made an rand required reading across the country, there would be less Antifa?
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Chris
I think there'd be more.
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Aaron
They'd be so angry that they have to read it.
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Chris
Like having to read a 40 page monologue. This absolute bullshit would radical. Well, I it didn't radicalized me, but I suspect it would radicalize a lot of people.
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Pri
And what does it mean?
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Chris
Well, apparently in both is what I'm saying.
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Pri
Yeah. You know, my dad read it in high school, and it was in India, and that's like part of the reason he wanted to move to the US. Really? Yeah. Like that like book had like, that's why it's like kind of like this like weird place for me because like, even when my parents got married, I found, like an old copy of The Fountainhead.
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Pri
My dad wrote like a really nice note to my mom about, like, gifting her The Fountainhead book because it was like that impactful on him as like a teenager.
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Chris
I think there's a great book in there. But like, I love the John Gold storyline. I think there's a lot of good stuff going on there. It's the problem with all libertarians is they do not respect their audience and they don't know how to edit. If you would shift that at 250 pages, it would have been a banger.
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Aaron
Yeah, one like a TikTok version of, Atlas Shrugged. Is that what I'm hearing, Chris?
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Chris
Yes. Book talk. Atlas shrugged quickly and go. What the hell is The Fountainhead about now? Like I forgot, I knew she had two books, and I realized, like, Atlas Shrugged, the shit. What the hell is going on in The Fountainhead again?
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Pri
It's the architect one.
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Chris
See, I, I've probably, like, literally, I may have gotten a lobotomy and just asked them to fully extract it.
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Aaron
You haven't had your second cup of coffee, Chris. That's why, that's why. But we'll get there. You know, it's funny. My first boss, when I was an intern. My first, like, real, like, internship. My boss gave me Atlas Shrugged. Oh, really? Yeah. That was great, you know? I mean, it's not like gospel for me, but I definitely thought it was a thought provoking.
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Pri
Paul Ryan would get all his new office staff. Atlas shrugged I think it's kind of like the. Yeah.
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Aaron
That's ridiculous. I don't some venture funds do that. Didn't you say like like first round or something? Does a.
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Pri
Do. I don't know.
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Aaron
I thought the there was some people that give like a reading list. I don't know, that's pretty aggro. Welcome to our collective endeavor. Here's your reading list.
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Pri
Yeah. Literally like this. So you have to read to fit into the culture here.
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Aaron
Yeah. Should we should we send everybody who works or trivia just, a squiggle and a mood board and we can tell them which side to pick.
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Chris
Can you believe, Derek, by the way, docking the show this week, inventing an auction just to get out of this debate. Like, you know, that was all a masterplan, right? He convinced Nova Astro to move to Mars for 30 days just so he could duck the wheel. We'll move birds, flip squiggles. Debate we had scheduled for today.
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Aaron
I know, yeah, it is kind of wild that that was not on my punch card for 2025. To think more about moon birds. I mean, I thought, you know, like Kevin did, a big fan of his career, but didn't realize that it had a second act in The Wind in the wings.
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Chris
I think that's one of the defining characteristics of moon birds is they're always making you think about them when you don't want to think about them.
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Pri
I know it's actually kind of a comeback story that I didn't think would happen.
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Aaron
Yeah. Moon birds are the comeback kid.
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Pri
It kind of you excited about it? Like I want it. I'm rooting for it. Kind of. I love the dog story.
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Aaron
Do you think hero comes back and takes over the project?
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Pri
I don't think he can at this point. It's like under completely new leadership, he.
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Aaron
Like Moon Bird and, Oh, it's a Meredith.
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Pri
No, I don't know. That's a good question. I doubt it.
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Chris
Yeah, and what do you call the moon bird emeritus?
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Aaron
I don't know. What is this? What am I setting up here?
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Chris
The big bird. Oh, God.
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Pri
That's pretty good.
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Aaron
Yeah. I would love for Kevin to come back as the Big Bird.
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Chris
Oh, Lordy.
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Aaron
It is nice to kind of see new life being kind of brought into some of these sets. I mean, I think they were really fun. It to me at least, you know, it feels like the high end of the NFT digital art market. You know, it held up. I don't think it was flying like it was in 2021, 2022, but I think it's still like has a pulse and is is moving and gaining adoption.
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Aaron
And it feels like, you know, the the other end of the NFT market, the more speculative end just all moved to either meme coins or I guess now content coins or something along those lines. But moon birds and a couple other sets were kind of like the middle of that market. So it's good to see people like engaging there again.
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Chris
It is very much, as we touched on this a little bit at the end of last episode, that that's fairly interesting stuff happens. It's where people try to push use cases. The other the other two ends are kind of fixed, right? Like, let's gamble on this ship or let's own something so precious that if we ever let it go, we have to write a big, long Twitter post with a heavy heart explaining why we're selling this beloved object.
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Aaron
Yeah. I mean, and that you see that with punks, right? There's been some big sales people are like, you know, I still support the community. I just, you know, want to put it in other hand, expand the owners have some personal issue. Yeah.
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Pri
It does look like there's a lot lately.
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Aaron
Or even thinking about.
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Pri
It. It's like the transparency of the chain has created this, like weird. I mean, no one does it obviously for ERC 20, unless you're like, you know, some VC who's like doing this, but in the world of like art and, you know, artists and other collectors, there's like a tremendous amount of like, like people will want to sell something.
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Pri
They're in people's DMs to sell it, but then they like, don't want to share that publicly and are publicly supportive of the work and talking about the work. And or they're like, ashamed to sell it and then have to have like a diatribe as to it. It's like no one of the traditional art world has to do that.
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Pri
It's like all pretty, you know, nontransparent. So it's like the we like the transparency. We like the market visualization, the data, all of that. But it's like on the other end of the spectrum, you have this like social pressure that everyone is under because it is too transparent. So it's like maneuvering. That is interesting. I think it just feels very novel and like a collector space to to feel like you have to explain why you want to part with something.
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Pri
And I've only seen that here.
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Chris
It is a little strange for sure. I'm a heartless bastard. I wouldn't think twice. Like if I'm selling something, I'm just going to straight up say, look, I bought for a dollar, I'm selling for two, or I bought for a dollar, I'm selling for $0.25. But maybe I don't even say anything at all. I mean, it's who cares?
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Chris
You know, the networks permissionless.
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Pri
The networks permissionless. Exactly.
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Aaron
I think it's also the the community building and the fact that people really value that around these assets, too. Right. And I think that's what is hard and what is differentiating with traditional markets. Like you don't feel like you're joining a community in part by owning some of these assets. And I do think, Chris, just to take dark side of the debate, I just I personally think that's where squiggle shine more than any anybody else.
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Aaron
So I'll take the squiggle side of the argument if you want to have it.
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Chris
We can take the argument. It wouldn't surprise me if moon birds flip squiggles now on a long enough timeline. Does that revert? Probably, yes, but we've seen this happen several times before in which character IP collections have gone on runs and have not come back. That becomes a very ardent form of entwined economic and community belief. You know, like there are different, different dynamics at play, I think, in these character IP sets and there are and say, a Sam Spratt, right.
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Chris
Like Sam Sprouts, more like, we're I'm part of this very tight, interconnected circle participating in this larger, you know, artistic experiment around meaning making and identity and belonging. And the reason I'm in this is largely probably for that. Right? The character IP stuff is just very modern, very I don't know what the right word is, but, you know, it's like we're we're trying to do something that's never been done before.
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Chris
We're all going to make money off of it. We're all going to ride in the the tail end, or we're all going to draft behind this amazing founder, and we're going to vibe doing it. It's yeah, it's a it's a little strange. It's a little tongue in cheek. It is very 2025.
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Aaron
It's fun. I mean I think that's more fun. Like there's just a seriousness around some of the high end digital art objects, which I think is great. I think a lot of the work there is spectacular, but it's just it's a little bit more fun. You know, I also think like these sets, in a weird way, they capture like the zeitgeist of the crypto community.
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Aaron
And I do think it's notable that members are now more valuable than melodies. Right? Like kind of the wartime set is not as attractive to people as like, hey, let's like have fun on the internet together again. So maybe that's why the birds are ascendant.
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Chris
That's an interesting comparison. I don't know what the overlap. I imagine there can't be a huge melody moon bird overlap. I bet there's like, there's a core group of people who own everything, right? And so, like, everything overlaps with everything down in like a couple percentage points. But I would be curious, like, where has Melody gone?
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Aaron
It's still there. But but the war time, you know, like the war time crypto Twitter personality, it just doesn't seem as predominant anymore. And even like pugs, they're they're lighter in their tone. So maybe people are getting more optimistic. They're ready to fly.
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Chris
Well, they have good reason to be optimistic in movement, even fly. Like, would you trust a moon bird flying? No, don't really look very,
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Pri
They're top.
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Aaron
Heavy. They can ascend that high.
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Chris
Oh, why? Why is NFT character IP that looks like a would that has wings but really has no business flying so popular? That's an interesting thing to dig into.
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Aaron
I mean, that's pretty much like crypto. I mean, you could that's a meta critique of the entire space. Wow.
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Chris
There you go. Nice abstraction there.
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Aaron
And I'm here for that. That's what the that's what the fourth cup of coffee does. Chris, you get those abstractions. Yeah.
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Chris
Let's go back to that because I want to dig in on on your coffee habits is for the limited or six eight. What's the bound on your coffee drinking.
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Aaron
There's no limit.
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Chris
You know, you just if you want coffee, you get coffee.
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Aaron
If I want coffee, I get coffee. Yeah, completely.
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Chris
Do you know how many more coffees you think you're having?
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Aaron
I don't know, maybe a couple more. Let's say the day is young.
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Pri
That's crazy.
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Chris
For you. Does he get jittery? Like, can you tell when I was over caffeinated?
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Pri
I actually don't know. I didn't even realize you drank that much coffee. Honestly, I'm not. And, like, feel like.
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Aaron
Yeah, I wake up, you know, you got your cup. Then I usually grab another one. Had to get one before.
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Pri
Oh, you got one. You had two before the office.
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Chris
Yeah.
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Pri
Well that's problematic.
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Aaron
Problematic to to get the day going in the office and then, you know, maybe one in the afternoon. I'm not like a lunatic, Chris. After like four, I do taper down a bit.
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Chris
All right. Well, I'm glad we know. And I imagine the listeners are glad to know that as well.
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Aaron
I'm sure that they're loving this conversation.
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Chris
Well, I'm. I'm 20 minutes to 20 minutes into the show. My coffee is kicking in. So if you want to go in more serious directions, I'm I'm available. I can I can talk about more than birds on chains.
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Pri
Well, actually, I don't want to do touch on that for a second because I was thinking about the other day, like with the new IP that's getting generated, I can't think of like I'm not talking about outside of crypto. I do think like PvP character IP sets. Like it does feel like the optimal way to meme character IP.
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Pri
I mean, the other memetic way is through, like TikToks, like a toilet, for example, is like a recent IP that got acquired by Hollywood. But with Hollywood changing significantly and like there's so many thought pieces on like why Hollywood's Over and whatever, etc., how do you invest in new IP that's not like Lucasfilm and Lucasfilm, like started with toys or other kind of IP world like Marvel Studios, like I, I actually was thinking at the time, like, how does one get access to early IP if they want to like, bet on a specific IP trend or invest in IP?
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Pri
Typically it was Hollywood, but Hollywood's not really doing that anymore. They're just redoing the IP that they own. So in many ways, like it's possible that a lot of these like NFT character IP sets end up being mainstream.
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Aaron
It's a good point for IP.
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Pri
I like I actually was walking down Park ad the other day. I saw a kid with like a pudgy penguin backpack and I was like, well, okay, maybe this stuff is actually like starting to trickle out, like two kids complete.
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Aaron
I think I may mention this, at least to you, like privately, but my son had a put together as presentation for school and he was just like adding clip art, you know, images from the internet. And he like, shows a couple of pudgy penguin images and like, through it. And it's like homework, homework tech. Yeah. And outside of, a couple of places in Brooklyn, there's like construction sites.
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Aaron
They put up these, like, green walls and then advertisers like, paste, posters on them. And there was some pudgy posters I saw in Brooklyn. I think I saw them in different parts of Manhattan, too. So, you know, they're definitely operating the ground game really well. But I think that point about Hollywood kind of having a penchant for preexisting IP to de-risk the project does make some of the stuff in the crypto land, like a little bit more interesting.
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Aaron
You could definitely I wouldn't be surprised if there was like a pudgy show at some point. I mean, I know in 2021, 2022 those projects like Stoner Cats and others that that wanted to do that, they ran into some regulatory questions and then also just market issues or execution issues kind of related to that. But I don't know, I could definitely see that happening.
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Chris
It just for the record, I haven't seen a single pudgy penguin in Queens. So, Lucas. Lucas got a way to go if he wants to get to all the five boroughs.
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Aaron
We know he'll make it one. It's like a billboard in Jersey or something like that.
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Chris
Oh, on Staten Island?
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Aaron
Yeah. Pete Davison starring in the pudgy Penguin movie.
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Chris
That would actually be a hilarious movie that.
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Pri
Actually, really, really.
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Chris
The judges of Staten Island starring Pete Davidson.
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Aaron
Oh, man. Yeah. The king.
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Chris
He's he's he's an uncle and purges tyrant pass. And he's going to start watching the kid. Now. He knows nothing about raising a kid. Hilarity ensues and we all learn something.
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Aaron
They live in the the Staten Island dump, you know, because that's that's where they should live.
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Pri
You know, that adult animation is on the rise. I saw some stat, like some graph that basically said more adults want like adult animated content.
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Aaron
What does that mean? It's like like.
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Pri
No, no, it's all film. But like more like like like 18. Plus people are starting. They like the the consumption habits of 18 plus is actually like trended upwards towards animated content over the last like five, ten years.
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Chris
A little tree this is your generation's doing well. It's anime growing up.
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Pri
Yeah. That's true.
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Chris
Anime is one of those dividing lines.
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Aaron
Yeah. You gotta love it. Or and like your fan for life. For it kind of passed over, you know?
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Chris
No. No more. And like, we were exposed to it and. Right, like, I remember watching Star Blazers as a kid and then blew my mind. But we got so little of it, right. Like Akira, ghost in the shell. He's the things, you know, you you go to your blockbuster and there'd be, I don't know, like ten of them on the shelf.
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Chris
And everyone knew them. Just for them to reach blockbuster, they had to be near classic sort of status.
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Aaron
Yeah, they were like esoteric niche, right? Like they were special if you found them or had a copy of them or could watch them in some capacity.
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Chris
Do you remember? And flux MTV would run it that was that was now beginning.
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Aaron
Yeah. I was much more of like a TM, Tmnt type person.
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Chris
Of course you were. You're you're a Jersey guy. Rats and sewers and turtles.
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Aaron
It resonated. But I'm kind of into your idea to turn numbers into an x rated anime series.
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Pri
I know what what I don't know, that was my idea.
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Aaron
You said that they wanted more adult cartoons. I think Moon birds would be perfect for that. No. Always getting in trouble.
00;19;16;28 - 00;19;18;29
Chris
I don't want the dirty birds.
00;19;19;01 - 00;19;20;14
Aaron
Yeah, the dirty birds.
00;19;20;16 - 00;19;31;19
Chris
All right, so that's the rival movie to the Pete Davidson 5G movie. We're going to have The Dirty Birds of 40 Deuce, and it's going to be a gritty time square in the 80s filled with moon birds.
00;19;31;22 - 00;19;33;01
Pri
I'm actually into that.
00;19;33;03 - 00;19;35;24
Aaron
I think that would fly, pun intended.
00;19;35;27 - 00;19;38;10
Chris
Okay, so let's go.
00;19;38;12 - 00;19;57;18
Aaron
The other story that jumped out to me this week is I do think that the government's doing this like head fake around the Bitcoin reserve. Like say you had like Besson saying, oh, the US is not going to acquire Bitcoin. And then there was like a second statement like it's looking to expand its reserves and you've like Lumis like pounding the pavement to set up a Bitcoin reserves.
00;19;57;20 - 00;20;00;12
Aaron
I feel like there's like an info war going on right now.
00;20;00;14 - 00;20;03;17
Pri
Yeah. What's that deal with that? I like still like no.
00;20;03;18 - 00;20;04;04
Aaron
There's a.
00;20;04;06 - 00;20;06;02
Pri
Hole here.
00;20;06;05 - 00;20;23;29
Aaron
Yeah. There's just a quarter, bitcoiners that think that the best way for the US to get out of any, any actual or perceived debt crisis is just to build up a Bitcoin reserve before anybody else. And there's a senator in the great state of Wyoming, Senator Loomis, who proposed a bill that has some support to do that.
00;20;23;29 - 00;20;41;20
Aaron
And I think that, you know, there's definitely some people advocating for it. And now it's kind of going all the way up to the the Treasury Secretary. It's it feels like there's some I think the headline was like, it's not going to happen. But I think the fact that there's a conversation related to it means that it makes it more likely it is going to happen, if that makes sense.
00;20;41;20 - 00;20;43;25
Pri
So that it like, could happen. Yeah.
00;20;43;28 - 00;20;50;23
Aaron
Yeah. Why did he he feel the need to comment on that if it wasn't a possibility. Yeah. Yeah something like.
00;20;50;23 - 00;20;51;11
Pri
That. Yeah.
00;20;51;11 - 00;20;54;10
Chris
Yeah I remember Aaron we were going to acquire Greenland.
00;20;54;12 - 00;20;57;07
Aaron
What's going on with that? That fell out of the meadow really quickly.
00;20;57;10 - 00;20;57;27
Pri
That's like a.
00;20;57;27 - 00;20;58;29
Aaron
Memory hold really.
00;20;59;00 - 00;21;10;02
Pri
Bad. And those kind of, like, really got memory hold. I was thinking about those other than, like maroon. That was like, such a big deal. Like, literally people, like, don't even care about what I mean.
00;21;10;05 - 00;21;14;09
Aaron
Big balls got his, got, beat up and then they send in the National Guard.
00;21;14;11 - 00;21;33;16
Chris
Yeah. Those is the reuse in those was the excuse there using to federalize the DC police and then the National Guard. So that or there are too many homeless people on Trump's drive to the golf course. Maybe it was bulls. And Trump said, I have I've had enough. Let's go full fascist. Sorry, I shouldn't use that word on the show.
00;21;33;18 - 00;21;35;15
Chris
Let's talk about moon birds.
00;21;35;17 - 00;21;46;18
Aaron
I do think if there was a melody, if there was a melody, cartoon, it probably would involve more fascist antifa themes. Chris. So maybe maybe that's the tie in. Back to the previous conversation.
00;21;46;21 - 00;21;49;26
Chris
I don't want to go into the melody character in the universe.
00;21;49;26 - 00;21;52;03
Aaron
That's a very tortured universe.
00;21;52;05 - 00;21;56;14
Chris
You think you're just going to end up both broke and mentally distressed?
00;21;56;16 - 00;22;03;09
Pri
The law around that collection is just like there has to be like a documentary movie on it. It's like.
00;22;03;12 - 00;22;03;22
Aaron
Green.
00;22;03;22 - 00;22;08;02
Pri
Light is so intriguing. I would green light that if I was a Hollywood exact.
00;22;08;04 - 00;22;11;07
Aaron
It's going to be like a 24 presents melody.
00;22;11;09 - 00;22;14;20
Chris
Yeah, no, it's that Harmony dude. Or it's his name. Harmony.
00;22;14;22 - 00;22;16;18
Pri
Karen. Korean or something.
00;22;16;21 - 00;22;18;05
Chris
Yeah, yeah. There you go.
00;22;18;07 - 00;22;20;04
Aaron
What have they done? What's there?
00;22;20;11 - 00;22;27;11
Pri
Have you heard of Edgelord? Who's, like, new like that? It's not new now, but it's actually kind of cool.
00;22;27;14 - 00;22;37;08
Chris
Spring breakers was the last big thing he did, but he had a couple of Culty movies. Didn't you have that one with Chloe Sevigny down in kids? Was kids him was he?
00;22;37;08 - 00;22;38;20
Pri
Kiss is good.
00;22;38;22 - 00;22;48;04
Chris
Yeah. No shit. Kid scared the shit out of me. I like decided my children never go into high school. And you are near Washington Square Park or fair? The village.
00;22;48;07 - 00;22;51;03
Pri
He wrote the screenplay for kids.
00;22;51;06 - 00;22;53;01
Chris
Yeah, I know who is connected to it.
00;22;53;03 - 00;22;53;18
Pri
Yeah.
00;22;53;23 - 00;23;00;25
Aaron
Chris, you don't think we should pull, Aaron Sorkin into this production? He can write the the the the narrative dialog for Melody, the movie.
00;23;00;27 - 00;23;02;15
Pri
Oh, God. Can you imagine?
00;23;02;17 - 00;23;06;29
Chris
All right. What piece that would be perfect for Alan Sorkin. That's an interesting.
00;23;07;06 - 00;23;07;20
Pri
That is a.
00;23;07;27 - 00;23;08;03
Aaron
Bad.
00;23;08;08 - 00;23;09;12
Pri
Thing. No.
00;23;09;20 - 00;23;11;00
Chris
Yes, actually.
00;23;11;02 - 00;23;12;04
Pri
Oh, I.
00;23;12;04 - 00;23;17;23
Chris
Know, sorry, but Aaron Sorkin can write for the Meltem and Sergey knows of the world.
00;23;17;25 - 00;23;22;19
Pri
I was actually thinking more like this radically. Like I like like I'm thinking West Wing like.
00;23;22;22 - 00;23;25;15
Aaron
And he would he would definitely write to me. That's movie.
00;23;25;18 - 00;23;28;10
Pri
I always feel like doodles or something would be like more.
00;23;28;11 - 00;23;30;12
Aaron
No no no no no.
00;23;30;15 - 00;23;48;14
Chris
Yeah. That maybe it's the movie. It's a bunch of up and coming me that's trying to break in on the Hill as staffers. So half the show is in DC, the other half is in it in New York. Finance. It's just a bunch of up and coming me that's trying to navigate the worlds of finance and politics of corporate America.
00;23;48;14 - 00;23;49;06
Aaron
Yeah.
00;23;49;08 - 00;23;50;20
Pri
They do that with suits.
00;23;50;22 - 00;23;59;11
Aaron
I mean, it would be a nice riff on the thematically similar to The Lego movie, but just me. This definitely would that would work really well.
00;23;59;18 - 00;24;01;16
Pri
I don't a board apes movie would look like.
00;24;01;22 - 00;24;03;10
Aaron
Man, I don't know.
00;24;03;13 - 00;24;05;27
Chris
That's that's Michael Bay territory.
00;24;05;29 - 00;24;07;12
Aaron
Just an action.
00;24;07;14 - 00;24;20;26
Pri
I am surprised with all the AI tools and like ability to like create the stuff that like people haven't taken some of the crypto IP and just started creating episodes out of it. Like, I guess it's not that good yet, but still, I don't know. I guess, like, you know.
00;24;20;26 - 00;24;22;13
Chris
They did that in clone X.
00;24;22;16 - 00;24;25;14
Pri
Oh they do. I don't remember seeing any of it.
00;24;25;16 - 00;24;41;11
Chris
Yeah. No, I've seen a few of them out there. The Kleenex community, they're very like blender strong, CGI type of people. Yeah, like the clone community. They don't even need a director. They just need an effects suite. No writers on the on the clone next movie.
00;24;41;13 - 00;24;42;26
Aaron
None.
00;24;42;29 - 00;24;45;29
Pri
Yeah. Who would be a good. Yeah, I was going to say who would be good for that?
00;24;46;01 - 00;24;48;11
Aaron
Sofia Coppola.
00;24;48;13 - 00;24;49;21
Pri
She's the best.
00;24;49;24 - 00;24;50;07
Aaron
Yeah.
00;24;50;07 - 00;24;59;03
Chris
Can you imagine trying to express ennui, disaffection, alienation while sitting at the top of your social hierarchy via clone X?
00;24;59;05 - 00;25;05;21
Aaron
Yeah, I could completely see it. I mean, great costumes, great costumes. Shoot, she'd have a, field day.
00;25;05;23 - 00;25;18;06
Pri
I like that guy who did Margin Call. He's done like, sick movies. Like, not a lot, but, like, really good ones. Margin call all is lost, a most Violent Year. Those are all like bangers.
00;25;18;08 - 00;25;24;03
Aaron
So that's the immediate sequel. Maybe after they've grown up.
00;25;24;05 - 00;25;26;02
Chris
It become too dark for Aaron Sorkin.
00;25;26;06 - 00;25;28;05
Aaron
Yeah, the Follow the Me bit.
00;25;28;07 - 00;25;33;13
Chris
Don't you realize you're going to crash the government of Thailand with this movie? That I don't care.
00;25;33;16 - 00;25;45;13
Pri
I don't have that South Park movie where they had, like, Kim Jong UN and and whatever, and I have like this vivid memory of like, there was like this really like weird sex scene where someone got pooped on. Do you guys know what I'm talking about?
00;25;45;19 - 00;25;48;24
Chris
No, I like dimly, dimly. Remember?
00;25;48;24 - 00;25;52;21
Pri
At least that's what I did. But this came Team America.
00;25;52;23 - 00;25;55;01
Chris
See you America World series. That was a good movie.
00;25;55;03 - 00;25;56;17
Pri
Yeah, I think so.
00;25;56;20 - 00;25;57;23
Aaron
That was solid.
00;25;57;25 - 00;25;59;24
Pri
With the South Park people did that, right?
00;25;59;26 - 00;26;08;12
Aaron
Yeah. It's a shame that South Park folks don't play around with other IP. They would they would completely crush him in the Hollywood ization of NFTs.
00;26;08;14 - 00;26;10;20
Pri
They really well, I can see them also hating NFT.
00;26;10;20 - 00;26;22;08
Aaron
So I don't know. I mean they they've like rabid fans of that show. I mean, I think they get it. I mean, they're pretty responsive to like, you know, the news. And I think their ecosystem.
00;26;22;11 - 00;26;24;25
Pri
Remember The Simpsons did an NFT episode.
00;26;24;27 - 00;26;46;15
Chris
Citizens done it and it by the way, do you know who would be actually the perfect director that we got to break off the shelf? There's only one person who has conquered both the world of Silicon Valley venture capital and animated minutia of Texas, and that's Mike judge, plus Idiocracy and schizo acceleration ism.
00;26;46;17 - 00;26;56;28
Aaron
I think he would be the best for me. But the more yeah, yeah, he we'd have to we'd lock up Sorkin just so he doesn't, you know, doesn't take his.
00;26;57;01 - 00;27;00;05
Pri
Skill somewhere else. He's a little sleeper too.
00;27;00;07 - 00;27;01;23
Aaron
I mean, that'd be like milady. Dude.
00;27;01;26 - 00;27;03;09
Pri
That's what I'm saying, milady.
00;27;03;12 - 00;27;06;03
Aaron
Oh, yeah. That would be dark and disturbing.
00;27;06;05 - 00;27;11;08
Chris
He is. He did poorly, right? Yeah. And the Joker in this movie.
00;27;11;10 - 00;27;12;05
Pri
Yeah.
00;27;12;07 - 00;27;22;14
Chris
Yeah. Oh, my God, he'd be. He would actually be perfect for milady and that is something I would actually need. Info hazard warnings I like. I'd have to stay away from that movie.
00;27;22;19 - 00;27;31;02
Aaron
He also did the the like first, the default film in the sphere. But just imagine melodies hitting Vegas.
00;27;31;04 - 00;27;33;27
Pri
Oh my god. Yes. Strip. I need it.
00;27;34;00 - 00;27;39;21
Aaron
In like, you know, I think it's like 14 K resolution. An immersive milady experience.
00;27;39;23 - 00;27;42;06
Chris
Hey, by the way, do you guys have reality check partners?
00;27;42;06 - 00;27;43;08
Aaron
No, it's that.
00;27;43;10 - 00;28;00;03
Chris
I saw it on discord. Someone posting a discord warning. But I guess people are starting to ramp up messages about the hazards of spending too much unaccompanied time with looms and this whole issue around mental health and getting one shot at or getting pulled away by all.
00;28;00;06 - 00;28;18;09
Aaron
Yeah. Do you see the Journal ran an article related to that. It was related to people that have autism, that they're worried that LMS are special risk for them because they're constantly respond. So if you have like more of a obsessive tech to you, people are getting like kind of infinite looped with them. Some health professionals are worried about that.
00;28;18;09 - 00;28;23;29
Aaron
I thought that was an interesting story, and I would have thought that that would have been an issue. But I imagine it could be for some.
00;28;24;01 - 00;28;46;07
Chris
People who have OCD, I that's probably a similar problem with them as well. And so it's, it's a good reminder how much divergence there is in our thinking. And neurodivergent people may be have far more intense reactions or, you know, like their exposure to things like this can be difficult. It's tricky. I kind of feel like I'm mentally indestructible at this point.
00;28;46;07 - 00;29;05;13
Chris
And so, like, I just can wave all this stuff, and sometimes you laugh about it, you know, you're just like, oh my God, you just got one shot at by an LM bringing up siddartha. It's like I fucking redshirt sophomore year of high school, you know, like, how is this a challenge for you? Like, or how are you getting one shot at by stuff that's in the high school reading canon?
00;29;05;16 - 00;29;33;20
Chris
But at the same time, everyone grew up with different levels of exposure. Everyone thinks differently. Like the 20s were a really intense part of my life. You know, I'm way, way chiller, dude, now that I've been on this rock a little longer. And so you just gotta remember your viewpoints or the way you relate to the world is radically different than, you know, other people and these devices, because they can do anything, and they are so versatile and they're designed to say yes and, and run with you.
00;29;33;22 - 00;29;34;26
Chris
It is a thing.
00;29;34;28 - 00;29;52;14
Aaron
Yeah, it definitely feels like it's just another risk that's kind of manifesting. Yeah. I saw a little bit of this just when we were in and around Wikipedia and like way back in the day, but there was certain people that like compulsively edited it and they would tell you to block them just because they like that feedback loop, just like posting something on the internet.
00;29;52;14 - 00;30;02;08
Aaron
So I could imagine that being difficult if you're now facing an LM. Yeah. That being said, also, Chris, I mean, phones are just like there's so addictive for kids.
00;30;02;11 - 00;30;10;25
Pri
So I was going to say, what's worse, I'm kind of, oh, I'm really even scrolling brain running on TikTok. Not saying it should be either or because both aren't great.
00;30;10;25 - 00;30;17;15
Aaron
But like I would rather people get looped into now. I would think maybe in the near term.
00;30;17;22 - 00;30;21;02
Pri
I have no idea actually. What's better, now that I think on it.
00;30;21;04 - 00;30;28;05
Aaron
They're banning phones in New York State now, like that's this year. They're just like completely across the state banning them, which I do think.
00;30;28;05 - 00;30;29;06
Chris
It's in the classroom.
00;30;29;06 - 00;30;31;11
Pri
It in the closet.
00;30;31;14 - 00;30;53;11
Aaron
Yeah. But that's that's still like, you know, it's necessary. I don't disagree necessarily. It's more like when you take a step up like what is schools really ban. They ban like soda phones, cigarets. It's like a it's like a pretty short list putting aside like schools and or states that are trying to ban some books. Right. Which is obviously concerning.
00;30;53;14 - 00;30;54;21
Chris
But yeah. So get on that list.
00;30;54;21 - 00;30;56;13
Aaron
Says something. Yeah. It's pretty notable, right?
00;30;56;15 - 00;31;18;23
Pri
I mean, I just think change educational like how kids learn, the ability to learn where they need them, where they are. Like, I just think it's going to be kind of an incredible thing. But anyways, yeah, we can move on from it. It's not like I hope they don't go too far in one direction. Like, I feel like I'm hearing about people just getting home schooled and using our alarms and that being like the larger trend now too.
00;31;18;29 - 00;31;48;29
Aaron
Yeah, there's some school in, Texas that I think is trying that out. It's like much more personalized tutoring via the LLM and really like incorporating it. And, you know, it's tricky because it's like a self-selected group. But I think that really data from from that school is pretty encouraging. But, you know, runs into the same issue of like charter schools where, you know, some more precocious parents or students or, you know, parents with with kids that want to do well, kind of opt into them.
00;31;48;29 - 00;32;05;25
Aaron
So it's hard to know if would work across the board, but I would think it would. I mean, I just imagine, like if I was stuck on something and I just instantaneously get an answer or get redirected in that like a productive way like that would be super useful for everybody. It's like having a coach around you all the time.
00;32;05;27 - 00;32;23;18
Chris
This is one that's going to take decades to play out. I mean, think about it on the one hand, right? Yes. Very small self-selected groups trying these experiments. On the other hand, look at the teachers unions who are probably going to view alums as threats to their jobs. And so I don't think you get a clear view of this.
00;32;23;18 - 00;32;48;21
Chris
And it also takes a long time for us to really understand what works in education and what doesn't. I mean, charter schools, right? A decade, 15 years ago, charter schools were set the sweep sweep the the educational system. And I think what we ultimately found out is at a certain scaling point, they start outperforming public schools. Right. Like you can't generalize a charter school model.
00;32;48;24 - 00;33;14;15
Chris
And what you end up doing is just raiding and public education funds for for special interests that really should be handled by private schools. You know, there's a selection bias around the only reason people are reporting about this school in Austin, using AI as a primary education method is because it's outperformed. Does or why is known to write an article about it because it's too small a sample size to say this one experiment was a failure, right?
00;33;14;23 - 00;33;33;25
Aaron
Yeah, it's it definitely takes forever. It's a mixed bag. I mean, even with charter schools, I'm sure there's a range of quality to. Right, because it's different private companies. You know, I do think it served a little bit of a purpose of just adding more competition into and a market, an important, you know, part of the economy and country.
00;33;33;26 - 00;33;51;20
Aaron
A little bit more competition. I've always I'm actually surprised it's not more like structured, a bit more like Boy Scouts in a weird way, where you like, earn badges or like, you know, you just show proficiency and kind of play your own customized game. I just think that something like that would be a lot better. Like, why do you why do you need grades?
00;33;51;20 - 00;34;08;12
Aaron
Right? You could have like, band kids and a couple of year band, you know, they're all kind of self-directed and learning. And then if they show proficiency, they just kind of level up. It's kind of like a scaled up Khan Academy with a lot more support. Human. And also I support I do wonder if that's.
00;34;08;12 - 00;34;17;27
Chris
We used to do this in this country. Yeah. When you were out on the prairie, you only had a single room school room. The whole town went there. Everyone got stuck in one room.
00;34;18;00 - 00;34;31;20
Aaron
Yeah. And I don't know if you want to have like 18 year olds with ten year olds. Right. But, you know, it could be good to have like 9 to 12 year olds together, right? Or 13 to 15 year olds together. You know, because some kids are probably going to be ahead in some categories, behind in others.
00;34;31;23 - 00;34;51;01
Aaron
And I just think if you got rid of these concepts of grades and made it much more like you need to learn these things, and that's what you need to complete to like move to the next level. I just think it matches the modern world a bit better. And if you have all these like self-directed eyes that could provide that support at scale, it just feels like that's like a reasonably good model.
00;34;51;03 - 00;35;03;08
Aaron
I'm sure the teachers unions and all the vested interests will not like that. But it does feel like if if you could start, if we could get our network state and start from scratch, like that would be an experiment I'd be curious to play around with.
00;35;03;10 - 00;35;10;14
Pri
I also think school could be shorter time. I don't think you need to be in school for like whatever, eight hours.
00;35;10;16 - 00;35;27;19
Aaron
Yeah, I mean, I think that that's kind of what you could get if you get more customized learning. Yeah, there's less time. Like with a, an educator having to, you know, teach to the middle of the class or the bottom of the class or which oftentimes is the case, and instead it could be, you know, more, hey, this is the time you're going to learn.
00;35;27;19 - 00;35;39;23
Aaron
It's self-directed, here's the support you need. And then you could focus on kind of softer skills, whether that's sports or music or art or, you know, the other things that are important to have a well-rounded education.
00;35;39;26 - 00;36;02;03
Chris
Like don't forget, though, the length of the school day serves other functions, namely for parents knowing that their child has a safe place that they're at while they're working. Yeah. And so you got to factor all that in. I will say, in defense of public schools or in defense of like traditional schooling, there's a resilience to them that the charter schools don't have.
00;36;02;08 - 00;36;41;11
Chris
We pulled our son out of a charter school, and it was all around Covid, where the director of the school wasn't ready to open the school back up, had had very, very strong, virtual schooling biases, and our kids were falling behind. And this was like, you know, well, after public schools started doing mixed returns, like it was this issue where a single person was basically holding the entire student body hostage and diminishing their educational experience over and over their belief and the right way to return to school and taking more time around it.
00;36;41;11 - 00;37;09;22
Chris
And that's at a very, very formative age. I mean, my son was probably in third grade at the time, and we were just like, f this. Like, we're going back to test academy public schools, you know, like that. So there's strengths and weaknesses in all of these things. But, you know, it is I guess one thing to consider is all these alternative approaches don't have the institutional wherewithal to handle, you know, black swan events or, you know, you just can't push on them too hard.
00;37;09;22 - 00;37;16;21
Chris
And so maybe they perform and look interesting in good times, but in bad times, they're not as deep and they're not as resilient.
00;37;16;25 - 00;37;23;27
Aaron
Yeah, completely. That's a great point, Chris. I just hope we experiment. I just feel like we need it. Like times are changing.
00;37;24;03 - 00;37;32;04
Chris
We are experimenting. We got Pete Davidson doing, fudgie Penguin movies. Did we get Alan Sorkin right? Maybe it's dialog.
00;37;32;07 - 00;37;35;15
Aaron
We need to manifest this into existence, so I'm ready for it.
00;37;35;15 - 00;37;36;12
Chris
Sorkin Dao.
00;37;36;16 - 00;37;37;25
Pri
Square Dao.
00;37;38;02 - 00;37;41;20
Aaron
It's going to resuscitate his career. Make him relevant. It's going to.
00;37;41;20 - 00;38;01;01
Pri
Crush. Yeah. What is he even been doing? I feel like he was such a millennial era type of guy. I like West Wing is like what motivated so many millennials to like, be it politics and then just totally be disillusioned by the fact that politics were nothing like West Wing. But I feel like he was very peak millennial like, I don't even know what he does now.
00;38;01;08 - 00;38;07;23
Chris
Can we blame Alan Sorkin for Joe Biden? Kamala, do we leave? That's at his feet.
00;38;07;26 - 00;38;12;18
Aaron
And I did like West Wing. I know like was have like some schmaltz on it, but it's like it's.
00;38;12;18 - 00;38;16;19
Pri
A pretty good book. Social network. I forgot he did. That's really good.
00;38;16;20 - 00;38;17;22
Aaron
Yeah. I mean, he's.
00;38;17;24 - 00;38;19;17
Pri
He's done good. I'm, like, talented.
00;38;19;17 - 00;38;34;28
Aaron
In his own right. I mean, yeah, and he, he kind of did it in his own way, which I appreciate. So I'm not going to rip him down too much. Yeah. Well, just so you guys know, all the divisions the SEC are, are working to make the US the crypto capital of the world.
00;38;35;00 - 00;38;37;06
Pri
I saw that there was a that was pretty cool.
00;38;37;06 - 00;39;00;17
Aaron
I don't know, I just like I just it's such a reversal. I mean, it's over overstated. I bet I hope that there's plenty of places that are using and playing around with digital assets, but it's nice to just see like some support. You know, there was like a big ETH NYC event or a couple events this week, which was kind of nice, you know, it just felt like a little bit more like mature.
00;39;00;20 - 00;39;19;14
Aaron
You know, people were we're talking about the benefits of the technology and you know, how to get like, you know, productive adoption and, and use. I just felt like the conversation leveled up a bit. You know, it's it is kind of nice because a lot of that I think a lot of this stuff happens here in New York, just like the, the like Delta like.
00;39;19;14 - 00;39;37;10
Aaron
And I mean that like a delta in a river between like traditional finance and crypto and just seeing that kind of mix, it is kind of it's kind of happening and it's pretty cool to watch. So that was another thing that was kind of notable, I think over the past week, you know, more of that type of progress, you know, and I know we've been joking that it's another week, another date.
00;39;37;10 - 00;39;40;06
Aaron
But I mean, it really is kind of mind boggling.
00;39;40;09 - 00;39;41;17
Pri
In day, you know, the dad.
00;39;41;17 - 00;39;42;07
Aaron
And yeah.
00;39;42;10 - 00;39;43;02
Pri
It's crazy.
00;39;43;09 - 00;40;09;20
Aaron
But just, you know, like, even Tom Lee, he filed the prospectus. I don't know if everybody saw this, but said he's going to purchase something like $20 billion more, you know, ether. I mean, that's just wild. Just that people want to make those types of moves, whether he satisfies that or whether that's a good idea or not, like, I don't I don't know, but it's just more that he thinks that there could be that demand, or at least the people behind that is pretty wild, just such a huge role reversal from where we were.
00;40;09;25 - 00;40;10;03
Pri
Really?
00;40;10;06 - 00;40;31;27
Chris
Yeah, it is, it is. You know, one thing I've noticed on the timeline is we've lost all discussion of the technical improvements to Ethereum in public. Like, do you remember when EOP talk used to dominate Twitter for, for periods of time? And other than, Benji and, you know, a few, maybe a few other accounts, I feel like no one is talking tech anymore.
00;40;31;29 - 00;40;42;25
Chris
Like, where is that conversation gone? Because, you know, curium is still still in development. Still in progress. Where are the core devs going? Where do they, how about conclave and sort this out?
00;40;42;27 - 00;41;04;25
Aaron
I think they're still there. Yeah, I was talking to some folks like around the, the EFF, like, the Ethereum Foundation. It definitely feels like they are, you know, much more engaged. And I think that that conversation just happens. You know, Chris, in different chats, I know that there's calls if you want to get involved related to that.
00;41;04;27 - 00;41;08;21
Aaron
So I think it just kind of proceeding apace just behind this.
00;41;08;21 - 00;41;19;18
Pri
Maybe it feels like not the dominant conversation right now just because of like the chat side, that stuff that like people aren't as focused on tech and that's like happening. It's just like not the main matter.
00;41;19;20 - 00;41;45;27
Aaron
You know, it is interesting. I just, you know, subscribe to all these different newsletters. And I just got one that said, is salon in trouble? I think that's the other kind of huge reversal. It's just you hear nothing of that salon, at least on my timelines, which is much different than it was, you know, a year ago, I was just checking kind of the ratios like the eath to Solana ratio and CoinGecko the other day, and it's really kind of reversed, which at least for me, was not completely surprising.
00;41;45;27 - 00;41;57;20
Aaron
But I think for a lot of folks, it was just because there was so much like hate and animus. But it's kind of back to even below where it was, you know, in the 2021, 2022 era.
00;41;57;26 - 00;42;21;22
Chris
It's part of the cycle of growing up, right? Like let's not forget Bitcoin eath, Solana all have what, five year gaps between them. Something like that right. They're different different generations. And so Bitcoin had this moment this period of like doubting the utility of it. And it was took off. It was flying. Bitcoin was soul searching. F is just gone through the same thing.
00;42;21;22 - 00;42;35;19
Chris
And you know now eet is coming out of it. And so you know maybe for SLI this is just a natural cycle of aging and maturing. Now I know I know you like to hate Aaron so we can take the knives out. I'm not a big Solana guy myself.
00;42;35;22 - 00;42;55;26
Aaron
I'm not. It definitely doesn't appeal to me. It's more like the use cases that are built on top. But I have wondered if there's like a physics to the way some of these networks evolve and like, you know, Ether's five years behind bitcoin, right? Like it just went through. It's kind of like, you know, like it's 20s or something like that where it's growing, but it's not getting the same attention.
00;42;55;26 - 00;43;11;23
Aaron
It did as like a hot shot like new network. And I feel like Solana had the spotlight on that. Maybe it's going to go through a similar a similar period and then like Bitcoin, just like completely depressed, right? It's like fully grown up and mature and just kind of like conquering the world. So yeah, I have thought that myself.
00;43;11;29 - 00;43;17;28
Aaron
It just more there was so much conversation related to it right. So which which is it's just not there anymore.
00;43;18;05 - 00;43;24;28
Chris
What's that same success as a million parents. Failure has none or. Yeah, I'm butchering it terribly, but.
00;43;25;02 - 00;43;28;09
Pri
Do you know what's really dominating my title? I told tangent.
00;43;28;12 - 00;43;29;03
Aaron
What.
00;43;29;05 - 00;43;31;01
Pri
From this conversation could like it.
00;43;31;02 - 00;43;33;29
Chris
Let's go with carb life.
00;43;34;02 - 00;43;36;03
Aaron
I'm going to have to hop in a minute though. I'm sorry.
00;43;36;10 - 00;43;39;16
Chris
I'll carry on here, I don't worry, I'll see you home on this one.
00;43;39;21 - 00;43;42;17
Aaron
I listen to this on the recording basically.
00;43;42;17 - 00;43;49;23
Pri
Like, have you seen the The Howard Stern Show? Apparently from like the early 2000 houses called Butter Face.
00;43;49;23 - 00;43;51;20
Chris
I've seen the two clips pop up.
00;43;51;22 - 00;44;06;16
Pri
Yeah, that that isn't like all over my timeline. And it's like, this girls was, like, attractive. And everyone's like, wow, it must have been crazy in the 2000. Like, if this girl is about her face, but it's like it's becoming a meme. Like, this woman is getting meme pretty hard. It's like every single posts on my Twitter feed.
00;44;06;18 - 00;44;07;25
Pri
Are you getting that too?
00;44;08;00 - 00;44;19;00
Chris
I see it enough. When I'm forced to switch over to For You and Doom Scroll during the petaFLOPS. And so yes, it is getting serious traction.
00;44;19;02 - 00;44;24;19
Pri
I kind of think it could it might become a big mean people just like screenshotting her face everywhere now are they?
00;44;24;25 - 00;44;25;04
Chris
And it's.
00;44;25;04 - 00;44;39;23
Pri
Terrible. Yeah, I think I think it's in coming in like more of a positive way. Like she's like an attractive person anyways. But let's not dilute the conversation. I know we're wrapping up. I just was like scrolling a little bit and like, God, why is this like woman everywhere? It's insane.
00;44;40;00 - 00;45;03;05
Chris
It will be interesting to see how Howard is ultimately judge, because he has been popping back up lately. Like I do feel like the public is turned their eye on a, a reexamination of Howard. I saw something about Dana White. Dana Blum. I can't remember her name, but she was. I guess she killed herself shortly after being, like, humiliated on on Howard, Dana, Plato years and years and years ago.
00;45;03;08 - 00;45;24;06
Chris
But, Yeah, like we have Howard's disappeared, you know, give give credit to him for, you know, retiring and donating money to save rescue Cass or whatever his wife is into and just staying out of the public eye, you know, nothing. Nothing sadder than you know, someone whose time has passed, still lingering on and on and on. And he's made more money than God.
00;45;24;08 - 00;45;32;26
Pri
Yeah, I feel like he's not gonna age well at all, though. I'm seeing the Howard Stern hate, like, pretty hard right now. So that's also wouldn't coming.
00;45;32;29 - 00;45;52;00
Chris
I could never do Howard. I, I had a hard time with, like, talk radio. I was never a a sports guy, you know, like the fan, like you come down to New York. That's one of the crazy things. Like when you move to New York, or at least, you know, when I moved to New York, everyone I met would just be talking about, like, what so-and-so said on the fan.
00;45;52;02 - 00;45;57;26
Chris
I was like, you guys fucking listen to the sports talk radio. To this degree, this is insane for me.
00;45;57;27 - 00;46;11;23
Pri
Yeah, I mean, he kind of was the OG podcaster, if you think about it. As far as like they, they sign like you had like a celebrity from being a talker. He was like the first, I guess, like Carson Daly and all those like me. Like I'd be like.
00;46;11;25 - 00;46;26;15
Chris
I'm a sort of invented it. Who did that? All, like, Don Imus with the shock jock, long form type of thing. Yeah, I'm. This is more like the boomer generation version of it. And then stern really blew it out for Gen X and beyond.
00;46;26;15 - 00;46;32;15
Pri
Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't I mean, he kind of was like, he kind of carried the playbook, to be fair. But yeah, I mean, I don't think he's an age.
00;46;32;15 - 00;46;35;27
Chris
Well, like you forget like he was everywhere.
00;46;36;00 - 00;46;38;16
Pri
He was everywhere. He had that movie to do. You remember.
00;46;38;23 - 00;46;39;05
Chris
Private.
00;46;39;05 - 00;46;44;04
Pri
Parts? Yes. Yeah. He was like truly like it's not like.
00;46;44;06 - 00;47;08;27
Chris
Here's here's a hilarious bit of trivia. I went to Bu Boston University, not Baylor University. That's a real deep cut joke, because Baylor's trying to sue BYU over their hat logo right now or something stupid. But just to put in perspective, how big Howard was for a long time, people would talk about the two most famous alumni of Boston University, and they were Doctor Martin Luther King Junior and Howard Stern.
00;47;08;29 - 00;47;09;20
Pri
Are you kidding me?
00;47;09;27 - 00;47;13;01
Chris
No. Like he was that big.
00;47;13;03 - 00;47;31;00
Pri
Yeah, I mean, he was really that big. I think his reckoning is, like, coming, though. It's like the click the comments on these clips and stuff, like, everyone's sharing clips of the show and like, you ever like Rob Schneider or whatever. Like he's on it too. Is like that whole like cohort. It like Gen-X. I don't even know.
00;47;31;00 - 00;47;35;14
Pri
Are they Gen X or boomers? But yeah, it's been kind of interesting to see that on my timeline.
00;47;35;16 - 00;47;56;01
Chris
I have heard a few Rob Schneider stories, like people who worked around SNL, like if you like, I knew a friend who did who worked on the SNL doc. Rob Schneider is like writer or like, you know what? You had to pay his hairdresser, his stylist. Like the list of things to get Rob Schneider to show up. And do you know, maybe two minutes of airtime.
00;47;56;01 - 00;48;04;29
Chris
Interviewed, you know, was just absolutely insane, really. He's I think that's the yeah, surprising part of it.
00;48;05;01 - 00;48;06;15
Pri
Well, damn.
00;48;06;17 - 00;48;09;03
Chris
Well, here we go. Why don't we leave on Rob Schneider?
00;48;09;10 - 00;48;32;10
Pri
Welcome to the site, everyone. Today Derek is helping Snell with his amazing job. If you haven't checked it out, you should. But it's me, Chris and Aaron discussing with a lot of digital, culture, art, eye tech and more. Just as a quick reminder, these thoughts and opinions are own and not of our employer. Let's go. Woo woo hoo!
00;48;32;11 - 00;48;33;07
Pri
All right. Thank you.
00;48;33;08 - 00;48;40;20
Chris
All right, catch it.
00;48;40;22 - 00;48;51;12
Chris
Boom!