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The Smoke Trail, hosted by Smoke Wallin, is a journey into awakening consciousness, weaving authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests to unlock high performance and perfect health. Each episode delves into spirituality, leadership, and transformation, offering tools to transcend trauma and find your bliss along the way. It’s a reflective space for achieving peak potential and inner peace in a distraction-filled world.
Welcome to The Smoke Trail hosted by Smoke Wallin. Join Smoke on a unique journey of awakening consciousness, sharing authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests. Explore spirituality, leadership and transformation, tools to elevate your path.
Smoke:Susan, welcome to the Smoke Trail.
Susan:Hi, thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be here.
Smoke:I'm super excited to have you here. And, you know, we we met through I went to your retreat you and Sarah's retreat in Sedona. And I'd been following your work before that. But we got to spend a few days together with a great group and experience some of your modality of healing and connecting with the fifth dimension and quantum and talking to our inner child. And I thought it would be really cool to expose the Smoke Trail audience to a little bit of that modality and what you've learned along the way and just have a conversation around it.
Susan:Beautiful. And it's funny because it just happens to be my favorite thing to talk about because that's really why I do the work, is so that people can learn to heal themselves and really just walk their journeys empowered. That's what it's about for me.
Smoke:Yeah, it's really beautiful. And my sense is you're doing such great work and you're really, really helping people. But it's a different concept than a lot of maybe mainstream people would understand. So maybe we could just talk a little bit about that. Like, what is quantum healing?
Smoke:How do you define it? What is, when I say fifth dimension and, you know, what are we talking about? Like, what is it?
Susan:Yeah. And that's a perfect question too, because, you know, also when people sign up for sessions, sometimes I'll work with someone who's done a lot of different healing modalities or it's their first time doing energy healing. And so my particular modality is called quantum sphere healing. And what I'm doing is accessing your personal universe through the quantum. And we refer to this work as just or really the field as the everywhere and everyone.
Susan:Okay? Multiple, just think of infinite possibilities and timelines. And so when I work with a client, I work with their higher self, that higher aspect of them, guiding them through this session. And so the reason I work in the quantum is that's where fifth dimension and up, well, these are the realms of the higher self. And so my modality is a mix of traditional shamanic healing with this sound technology that helps us access the quantum field.
Susan:So as you saw in retreat, we get into the gamma brainwave state and we journey up into the space. And the reason we go here is we've got this bird's eye view perspective of our lives. And so I call in higher self to this field. And so what better way to really perform a healing on someone than go directly to the source, which is them their higher self. And that was the main thing that attracted me to doing this healing modality because, you know, I've been through it.
Susan:I've experienced all kinds of healing work, and this was the first time I felt like it was speaking to exactly what my soul needed for my journey. And so through that, I felt like it kind of cut through the debris and there wasn't really this intermediary between me and someone else. So I learned this to really connect with my higher self. And then I saw the benefit of working with clients and calling in their higher selves so that we can do a deep healing. And so basically I use this space of the infinite to track where a client's issue may be originating from.
Susan:So for example, if someone comes to me with like anxiety, we look at a lot of different things. I start with their energy body, I'll look for trapped emotions, I'll look for stored trauma. I call in inner child to give us some guidance of what we need to clear. But in the quantum field, I'm able to see and track, hey, is this coming from the womb? Is this birth trauma?
Susan:Is this off planet? Do we need to do a soul retrieval? Or is this coming from past lives? Or do they have an energetic contract, right? Some sort of binding statement they may have made with themselves or some sort of false belief they took on.
Susan:And so the reason I go into the quantum is I want access to everything so I can get straight to the source of an issue and start clearing that. And so I work with all my clients remotely. So through the quantum field, I'm working on someone's body, they're feeling that wherever they are through quantum entanglement, they're of course able to receive the healing. And so what's great about this and what I teach on retreat is we've been interfacing with the quantum our whole lives. Those moments of stillness where we're dropped in and we're grounded and we're still, and we're getting those downloads and information.
Susan:That's what I feel like we've been disconnected from. So part of the sessions is to remind my clients that they can connect to this space too. Obviously, I'm doing my job, is to make them feel better and create the process. But then, you know, I leave them with different tools, grounding, as you know, core essence exercise too that we did on the retreat so that they can further connect. And so to kind of, yeah, summarize that, we go into this field of information to get what we need, learn about ourselves so that we can anchor that here on earth and thrive in body.
Susan:It's not just about these concepts we're talking about on some sort of higher level. We're learning about ourselves. We're feeling the healing, and then we're, you know, embodying it here in, you know, just on our journeys. Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah, that's amazing. And, you know, it's what I didn't realize before I started on my journey is I just wasn't aware that, you know, we're all physical entities in this realm and mental and spiritual. And you're really connecting the three when you're doing this in the quantum and going right to the spiritual, which, you know, the physical realm, my understanding. So, you know, correct me if you don't if you see it differently, but it's really the output. It's like the we're dealing with the results.
Smoke:The core underlying things are what's happening at the mental level and higher, what's happening at the spiritual level. And we're just kind of dealing with the output. So a lot of modern medicine, a lot of current thinking in certainly the West of healing is really about symptoms. Like whack a mole. It's like trying to deal with symptoms, but it's not dealing with these underlying issues, which really that's what you're connecting with.
Susan:Absolutely. And that's exactly how I would describe it as well. And a lot of my healing journey was going through some medical issues and symptom chasing and never figuring out, oh, why, as a kid, why do I have tonsillitis? Or why do I have all these certain issues diagnoses or whatever is going on with like digestion and stuff. And so through the inner world, tracking where I have trapped energy and emotion in my throat, where I was afraid to set boundaries or speak my truth or express, that was manifesting in so many of those things.
Susan:And I'm not someone who walks around unaware and doesn't think the physical is real and these symptoms are painful, but through, I know my spiritual awakening and journey, it's like, what's going on inside? What's the deal with your subconscious? What have you been holding onto? And we see it though when we do this kind of work. We physically feel better.
Susan:And then we see, oh, that was the output, which I thought was the only reality. But then as we know, we go with it and then we resolve things and we feel better. So that was, and that was just my experience of it. And that's what drew me to telling people about it or even in this line of work.
Smoke:Yeah, no, it's really, it's really powerful. And, you know, you have some issue, anxiety or and some kind of we can take medicine. And this is not to say like, don't do all the good things you can do in the physical realm. Eat right, exercise, all the things that anyone who's paying attention knows. There are things that are better for you and less good for you.
Smoke:And even modern medicine, there's things that can be helpful. But if you aren't solving the higher issue and putting your conscious awareness to it to resolve it one way or another, whatever modality, then it's going to pop up somewhere else. Like you might solve one thing with medicine and then, Okay, I fixed that, but then something else is going to pop up. And unless you resolve the, like, the higher level, it's like it's gonna keep manifesting.
Susan:Oh, I agree. I think we're here to really kind of be masters of both those worlds and learn how to walk, you know, in between both. Like, that's what shamans do. We understand we're in the third dimension and there's consequences if, you know, we put our hand on our stove, like, we get that. But then at the same time, it's like, am I looking at something from all perspectives?
Susan:And I know that that's what I try to do when something happens. I've been in situations too, where I've been let down by Western medicine, but then I've also sometimes had to use it in some sort of emergency situation, right? So when we don't have any of, like, those judgments, but we understand what's motivating or what's behind something, and we get the awareness. You know? How many times have we've had things that really kind of wake us up?
Susan:You know? We we make sure we don't stay in that victim consciousness, and then we learn, and we take action. We understand both worlds. I know that that's how I try to live my life, by understanding the dimension we're in to obviously transmute some of the heavier stuff here, but also you know, lead with what we awaken to and learn about ourselves.
Smoke:Well, I also found it really cool to like hear a little of your story. And I wonder if you would share, you know, you weren't always quantum healer, master You of were in law school. You were kind of in a normie track of some sort, And you in law school, and then you kinda got off track or on track.
Susan:On track, yeah.
Smoke:And started experiencing some higher learnings and and really opened your eyes to this. But maybe you could tell us a little bit about that journey, because I think it will help people relate who maybe aren't quite there yet, but they're like, Okay, I'm a business leader, or I'm a lawyer, I'm a doc I'm something in the normal realm, but I know there's something more. So how did you discover it? And then tell us a little bit about that journey because I think it's Yeah,
Susan:absolutely. And I know I share some of this when we're on our retreat. And people do like hearing about it because it's like, we don't always you know, we're not always coming in here with our third eye completely open. I mean, I would say what I see in sessions is yes, but then we put on a veil and and play human, but digressing there. But basically, yeah, you know, I I grew up in a really just conservative household where my my parents were really, like, religious, and what was taught to us was it.
Susan:And there's nothing really outside of us. Aliens don't exist. We don't talk about energy healing. I didn't have hippie parents, basically. And, you know, I was very intuitive as a kid.
Susan:I would say, you know, empathic, extremely sensitive to energy. And, you know, I could definitely perceive energy, and I was always just fascinated with outer space. And and I wanted to be an astronaut actually when I was like a kid. So that's yeah. Okay.
Susan:There you go. Like, there was something about the stars. Right? And so it's funny now because now I say, well, I explore inner space for a living, but, you know, that's that's the world I lived in. And then, you know, I decided that I was gonna go to law school and do entertainment law.
Susan:And that was that was the track to be I wanted to be in music law. You know, when I was in law school, I, like, worked for a record label and stuff. And so I saw that world. And what I was doing pre spiritual awakening was, you know, looking at music contracts and, you know, looking at ones where I was like, this isn't really fair to the artist. But I guess I took out all these student loans, and I guess this is the job I chose, and I guess this is my life.
Susan:And it was like that moment, you know, when my spiritual awakening really started to happen. It was kind of like, oh, is this it? Do I even want this? Oh, well, took out all these loans. Let me just block that out and go on with my life.
Susan:And then it was like it felt like completely out of my control because I did start to kind of perceive energy. And part of me was like, just logical mind. I was like, is this from like twelve hours of studying in the library? Like, am I losing it? Like, why am I sensing things and feeling a presence here and there?
Susan:And, you know, all the energy look like grids and certain things. And, you know, my partner at the time was, you know, well versed in this information, this world, but I was just like, you know what? Like, I just wanna graduate and be a lawyer and live my life. You know? You know what?
Susan:My simple life. Well, I know I'm gonna get a paycheck and just gonna do the thing I went to school with. And I remember it was my last final. It was wills and trusts. And I I woke up to myself just hovering over my bed and seeing a gray alien telepathing to me, you know, telling me it's all gonna be okay, and I'm kinda being landing back.
Susan:And I knew it wasn't a dream. And I look at the clock and the first thing I thought was like, oh, good. I didn't miss my final. They brought me back in time. Then I went, woo, that was a weird dream.
Susan:Blocked it out. Went on with my life. I graduated months later. I'm going down the elevator in my apartment and the drop in floors, I was on a high floor, I think mimicked my soul or consciousness being put my consciousness being put back into my body. And it all came up.
Susan:I remembered it clear as day and, you know, was telling my partner, she's like, yep, you're abducted. And from that moment on, I was like, oh, okay. Now listen, I wasn't scared or anything, probably because I didn't remember anything. Point being, that just blasted that whole world open. And after that, it was continuous metaphysical experiences, hyperdimensional experiences.
Susan:And like I said, this is not this isn't stuff I ever thought existed before. And I kinda went on my life and then, you know, I at that point in time too, I was like, okay, this is the path that I'm choosing. And then I got, like, really sick. And I had all these weird issues that Western medicine was was only making worse at the time. That was just my experience.
Susan:And I had a friend go, oh, you know, my mom went to this shaman. She really helped her. And so I was like, okay. And at that point in my life, I was really into shamanism. I was reading because of all the experiences that happened to me, had a high resonance with Carlos Casaneda's work.
Susan:And in his book, The Active Side of Infinity, he talks about some of these beings that I started perceiving, and I just chose that book randomly. I was like, let me find something randomly. Right?
Smoke:Random. Right. And
Susan:so I started really studying that world, and then I attracted this shaman who really helped me, and I started to get physically better. And then she basically said, hey, I've created this new healing modality. Because I was just doing her her shamanic traditional work that she combined with sound tech to access the quantum, which is what I do. She kept inviting me to go to the seminar to train me. And I was like, no, I've never done healing work before.
Susan:And I kept kinda like pushing it off and she made it very available. And I I mean, I just had student loans at that time and I wasn't working and I couldn't even afford to go to it. I said no. And then like two weeks before the seminar, I got into this really weird car accident where someone hit me in a slow moving parking lot. It didn't make sense how it happened.
Susan:And I ended up from insurance just getting the same exact amount of money needed to go to the seminar and learn how to be a healer. So I said, Okay, universe, I'm listening. I did it, I began the training, instantly was perceiving things I'd never perceived before, but I knew what it was. I saw my higher self clear as day, the people we were practicing on. I was like, you guys can't see that?
Susan:Like, it was so natural and real. And that was the first time in my life where I was doing something that came easy for me, but I love and was thrilled about. I wasn't I I wanted it to be the way in law school. It wasn't. If if someone is in that flow when they're doing their dharma, great.
Susan:Whatever field field is in. But I never found that till that moment. After that, I, you know, I was like, okay. Like, this is what I'm doing. And I just practiced as much as I could and built up my confidence and skill and really never looked back.
Susan:And and, you know, I don't think I would have done it if I didn't see the results in front of me, see myself get better, see people get And and that's really it. Really was, you know, just on this track, events happened. I had moments where I did doubt it and I pushed it away. And then it just I I just stepped up and did it. And and that's how I'm here talking to you about all of this.
Smoke:That's awesome. And and did you your the shaman teacher, she was teaching a class, right? You were in a seminar and she said, I don't know about any of you people, but she gets it. Like, you're the, like, she was like, you're the first one that actually got it.
Susan:Yeah. She had expressed that to me when I kind of caught up with her actually years later. And she's like, so what are you doing? I was like, I'm doing the conscious you're healing full time. And she's like, wow, you're my success story.
Susan:Carry on. So I was like, that was the best feeling in the world to hear that from someone I respected so much. But I essentially was saying, Here, this is my life's work and you're doing it correctly. Carry it on. And for me, I can just retelling that gives me chills because it was the greatest honor because I love it.
Susan:And you wanna hear that. You wanna know. You know? And it's not just about this, like, external validation, but, like, when someone has created something that means the world to you and you respect, and they're like, please continue. Yeah, that felt really amazing.
Susan:Yes.
Smoke:Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah. And I think it's, you know, like you as a child recognizing energy and having experiences, I think we all have that and we don't know what it is. And a lot of time and then at some point in life, you just kind of put it shut that door and you just kinda focus on the the this realm. And but a lot of I think everyone experiences this stuff at different levels and they just don't know what it is.
Smoke:They don't recognize it. Right? And and it you know, we're, like you said, we're all accessing the quantum at different moments, you know, inadvertently sometimes, but we don't really recognize it. And, you know, just a meditation practice where we quiet the mind and we just become still, the things that come up there, you know, some of that you're accessing that realm and people just don't realize it.
Susan:Absolutely. And that's why it's important to be so intentional. So saying, okay, I'm going to sit, I'm going to think about this. I'm setting this intention maybe to interface with the quantum of color and higher self, but also know how to feel. And when you recognize that stillness, that's a good sign.
Susan:Now sometimes it comes over you. You're not even trying to. If you ever had moments where you're thinking about something, realization, and then you you feel that and you connect. And so that's what's, like, the important guide too is, like, you know, the more we heal ourselves and say we've numbed things out in our life. I was not like growing up, like emotionally intelligent.
Susan:I thought being stoic meant being strong. So a lot of the things I shut down, I wasn't really listening to the emotional body and like feeling myself. And through healing, started to know, oh, this is what peace feels like. This is what that stillness feels like. And of course I have different tools and methods and abilities to know when I'm in the quantum and feeling it, but that was the journey leading up to it, that creating that space and stillness and understanding.
Susan:And then I started to remember other parts of my life, before my spiritual awakening, where I did feel that and how important that is and how we do have a lot of mystical experiences here that we write off because either our upbringing, which was kind of the case for me too, and, you know, having people say, oh, you know, that's not real or that's not the real world. But then, again, when it does happen to someone and then it starts to unlock and make us remember when it started to maybe happen very early on in life where we could perceive these things.
Smoke:Yeah, yeah. You know, resonated with me a lot when experiencing, you know, some kind of ailment, some kind of pain, some kind of stomach issue, whatever, in my prior life, I would just be stoic. I would just ignore it. Maybe I would take a medicine or I would just be like, you know what? I'm tougher than that and I'll just work through it.
Smoke:And when we experience things, whatever it is, a headache, a stomachache, whatever, it is your body telling you something. Yeah. So ignoring it or taking a painkiller to dampen it is basically like, okay, you have information. It's saying pay attention to this. And what I have found is if you put your conscious awareness on anything, it can't withstand it.
Smoke:It always goes away. Now it may take a while, but it always dissipates. But if we resist it and we're boxing it away and just, Oh, I'm tougher than that. I'm going to ignore it. We're not resolving it.
Susan:Oh, yeah. I absolutely agree. It's almost like you wanna become a seeker in what you're experiencing. And I think we think that, and I used to use words like this, like just power through, just do it. Like that's how I would think.
Susan:And so, you know, if I'd get a headache back in school when I was studying, take whatever I could, go take your ibuprofen and move on with it and not ever think about why and what my body needed and why I was in pain or what was emotionally going on because I was so stressed out. And I felt like strength meant just being tough and powering through things. And then when you actually and I like what you said though, sometimes it does take time and seek and go, okay, what's going on with me? What what's underneath this? Why why do I feel this way?
Susan:Just bringing our conscious awareness, when you observe something, the energy changes. That's what we're doing.
Smoke:Yeah. Yeah. And that's one of the learnings I've had is that every emotion that we feel, every thought we have, is just it's an energy. And if we don't label it like, oh, I have a headache or I'm feeling anxiety, instead of calling it anxiety, I'm feeling an energy. I used to call that anxiety, but it's just an energy.
Smoke:So don't label it because you're basically giving it a life by naming it. And sit with it and ask the question, is there something I'm supposed to learn? What am I supposed to learn from this? And just by pivoting your reception of that energy, in my case, in most cases, it just dissipates. Like goes away.
Smoke:Or maybe some knowingness, oh, oh, I'm supposed to deal with this issue I've been putting off. But either way, it goes away.
Susan:Yeah. And I think it's really important that we are talking about anxiety because that's like, you know, if say someone's sick and so they go into the ER, they don't what's wrong with them. The first thing people say is, Oh, you just have anxiety. And I know those feelings are real, I've experienced it. But one of the first things I learned working with my shaman, she's like, We'll just call everything anxiety and it's so normalized, and it's not normal to function that way.
Susan:And oftentimes in a healing session, I'm tracking that to an anxious inner child, who's like, Look at me, pay attention to me. Look what you have suppressed. That's oftentimes where I see that and seeking that way shifts so much for people, whereas we don't And that type of work, that's ancient, that's like indigenous work. It's that's the normal way to go about why we're feeling things, but it's kind of been reverted to, no, you need to be on this medication and then calm down and then maybe just think about it. And so that's why exactly what we're talking about with anxiety.
Susan:And I know you mentioned before or had conversations about things we've overcome and going, Oh yeah, I was anxious, how was this? But then we take on the inner work and then we see it shift. And that's why so many people, I think, are talking about that now, because they are seeing that, yeah, like we really do hold the key to our healing and it's difficult. When I'm feeling anxious, I drop into, okay, and I talk my inner trap, put my hand on my heart, go, what do you need? What do you need?
Susan:And I just, I go into that space and I do feel better. I noticed my breathing starts changing even without intentionally doing a breathing exercise because I'm processing it from within and then seeing the output, so to speak, like we talked about.
Smoke:Yeah, that's, I think, really, for me, when you talk about the inner child. And maybe we could talk about that a little bit. You often encounter in your plant work a seven year old version of that person, right? Like, is that the usual age?
Susan:That's the usual yeah.
Smoke:And they're talking to you and they're communicating with you. It's it's really interesting because we think, oh, I'm this grown adult and that was my past. Well, no, you are the sum total of every experience you've ever had in this lifetime and others. And so you're an energetic body first who happens to be at this moment in time, an adult who, whatever, but you've got that as part of you. And if that part was neglected at the time and is continuing to be neglected, it's sitting there going, Hey, what about me?
Smoke:Right?
Susan:Absolutely. And that's why going back to why I practice quantum healing, because that's what it's saying. We are When we're performing the healing, we're outside of space of time, but then we also know the man made construct of time and it not existing. So if all these things are occurring at once and you're feeling this, what better source than that childhood self, whether it's the part so usually seven and eight comes up because that's really when we're what I've seen in the work is we're kind of formed as when, like, we start to understand maybe what the world is, a worldview, or we have our parents programming. So we're starting to really remember and record.
Susan:It can happen sooner, usually seven or eight, that's when the inner child shows up. If we're looking at, say, like a shocker system that would align with the root. So that's usually when they wanna express those types of safety needs. I've seen, you know, the inner 13 year old need to come up or very much I've worked with, you know, someone's like 12 old aspect has brought in something that they need to. So with that said though, yeah, that aspect is coming forward to say, hey, it's coming from here.
Susan:And if you remember and look at this, and maybe we integrate this soul piece, you won't feel as anxious. And, you know, the age seven or eight, like I mentioned too, that's usually the time too, what I've just noticed in this work is like, when we think about when we're kids and we're in our imagination and we're excited, we are perceiving so much. Usually, find kids are remembering their past lives or they're really connected to nature and spirit. And they're in this space when they are actually, I think, interfacing with a lot of these higher dimensional, whether it be beings or concepts. And then, you know, they're told, stop it, you're in your head, this isn't real.
Susan:And in a sense, they kind of like turn off their magic. And I felt like that's what happened when, you know, I was younger and I wanted to be certain things and I was interested in space. And I was like, no. No. No.
Susan:Stop. Get real. You're gonna be this. So, really, that age likes to come forward in sessions because it's like, remember remember what you cared about, what mattered to you, how you felt. And oftentimes people find when they do inner child work, they're not just healing, their whole purpose or career path changes because they are getting in touch with that self that felt really pure.
Susan:And it could be a self that existed before programming, before certain traumas, whatever it is, there's a magic to that. And I think that's why consistently in my work, that's what I'm seeing. Inner child comes forward, usually in the throat center, because that's where so much of our power is suppressed. And they let me know what's going on, what happened, what they need to hear from us, which now we're their parent, right? How we can support them.
Susan:And then the more people do this work, they realize they can actually ask their inner child for career advice, for anything else, because that's that bond. It's like you've got this really I I think it was like the heart. The heart of who we are starts to come through. And that's what I see in sessions when I'm clearing certain traumas from the throat. I do see their inner child move into the heart center and almost saying, oh, good.
Susan:I get to be carried forward now in your heart. And, you know, when we pick things that we like to do in life or we're living for ourselves, yeah, that tends to be us following our heart, like that expression. So that's how important this this is. And I never knew when I first started doing healing sessions that the heart of it would always be inner child work. You know, I just did what I saw.
Susan:I did the clearing, I saw this debris, but then here they are. And so that's why I think of it as so important. And you saw in our retreat, we had some time in my workshop and we did just a channeled inner child meditation altogether. And I think it was one of the most powerful moments in that whole workshop.
Smoke:Yeah. And I found it to be extraordinary when we all kind of went into a meditation. We played gamma music that helped us entrain to gamma brain state. And so we all went up to the fifth dimension And we planted a flag there so we knew where to how to get back there, which but that was such a cool device to to do that. I still use that.
Smoke:And what I what what to me was, like, extraordinary because I just saw fuzzy, cloudy stuff. And it felt good, but it was more amorphous. But you could see that we all went up to the fifth dimension. You could see that we were all there. That's like an incredible gift that you have that you have that sight.
Susan:Thank you. And I so appreciate that because when I was first, I was doing my healing sessions for years before I was teaching workshop and stuff on retreat. And so when I knew that it would translate, that I could hold that space and take our retreat groups up there and so that they can learn that technique, it unlocked for me just It feels like a new I don't wanna just say like purpose, but in a sense, it just felt like this is the next level. We learn something, we master something, we share it. And then I just feel like if enough of people in this world have those tools where they have that space to connect to and heal themselves, that's the ripple effect that I wanna leave.
Smoke:Yeah. No, you're definitely having that ripple effect, I think. And the more people that learn about this, just, I mean, just being exposed to it, first of all, which is one reason we're talking is just to expose maybe some of this audience is and it's probably varied, but a lot of leaders and business entrepreneur kind of people who maybe have touched on it but are really not comfortable with these topics yet and haven't experienced it directly. And so it's real. It's a real thing.
Smoke:And one of my guests, Olivia Fish, who has a book coming out she's really cool. I think you'd really like her. But she said something that really resonated with me. It's humans are the medicine. As we heal ourselves, we're the medicine for each other.
Susan:Yes. Yeah. Oh, that 100% resonates. And that's literally what I saw on my journey. And then, you know, when I because post retreat too, lot of people, as you know, attend the retreats, like, they're energy workers themselves.
Susan:And we learn from each other, and then we take that in in just our everyday life. And what's really interesting too, though, is just like with your audience, I never expected the type of, like, clientele I would have. You know, when I started this at the beginning, it started off so word-of-mouth, and it would be other people in this world, but in the energy healing world. But majority of my clients are CEOs, lawyers, therapists, psychologists. It's like the way that energy work speaks to everyone and helps them.
Susan:And, I mean, I hope I don't butcher this, but there's some sort of saying, right, like even with astrology, they say something like I don't why I can't remember now. Like, millionaires use this, but like billionaires use astrology. Like, are are the world of like understanding energy, astrology eclipses, all of this. Like, it's been used by people in all kinds of fields. And then when we take it to healing, of course, someone say in the business world, if they're not physically feeling good and they don't or maybe if they don't feel like their expression or their leadership or someone from their team is getting something, we go in and we do energy work and we work on that expression and even like how they communicate and lead, and then that shifts their businesses.
Susan:And so that's why I love doing, you know, podcasts like this, but just, like, meeting people because it's almost saying, like, energetic tools are here for all of us. This isn't really about, like, belief systems and what we think is real or not. Like, do you wanna prove yourself and help people around you? I think that's the core of this work.
Smoke:Yeah, no. And it's, again, sometimes it's terminology and it's recognizing. But, you know, we all experience things like when someone comes in the room and they suck the air out of the room and they have Or down someone comes in the room and it lights the room up, right? Everyone experiences like, oh, it's almost like, wow, that person always lifts me up. Well, everything is energy.
Smoke:Everything is energy. We are energy. Everyone is energy. Our thoughts are energy. Our emotions are energy.
Smoke:So as we get more maybe it's skills and it's learning of how to understand the energies that we're dealing with, but also how to transcend energies, how to kind of elevate ourselves so we're not simply mechanical, animalistic responding to stimuli that are outside of us. And we're able to create a gap between stimuli and response where we choose how we want to respond. It's powerful. And it's powerful in everybody's life. Mean, I this applies to everyone.
Smoke:It's not like a side project. It is the project. Oh,
Susan:absolutely. And I think that was a big thing when I first entered this world to understanding it is the project. Then it trickles down to everything. How just like being more intentional and and how we live our lives, understanding that everything's energy and what we can influence versus just being imprinted on. Right?
Susan:Or or or programmed, so to speak. And that's why I think energy work is is one of the most empowering tools. But also it goes to okay at the same time, the inner child work, the self reflection, all those things that we can do for ourselves. And then that's exactly we see it influence or we see it just trickle out into the rest of the world.
Smoke:Yeah. And, you know, one of the things I think that people experience, and I certainly can speak firsthand, is we're usually our harshest critics. So that inner dialogue where you're being so hard on yourself, didn't do something you thought or things didn't, something didn't happen and you're just beat, people run around beating themselves up. Well, that's real. You're actually communicating to your inner child, to your higher self, you're manifesting that negativity to yourself if you have that kind of a dialogue going on.
Smoke:So one of the things that I've done in my journey is reprogram my subconscious by clearing out that negativity and replacing it with things that I wanted. So I went through a very intentional process over a number of years where I reprogrammed everything that was going in. Because you don't think about it. Never thought about it. Like, I would watch every action violent movie there was.
Smoke:Not thinking about it, I'd watch the news. I'd watch shows on television. And every single one of those images, every single thing you're experiencing, your subconscious doesn't know the difference between a murder on a movie and a murder in person. Yes. It doesn't it can't tell.
Smoke:And so if you're putting that into yourself all the time, you're programming your subconscious to think that that's your reality and it comes back out.
Susan:Yeah. This is one of the most important things I think we can talk about right now because not only is that exactly true, but it's like, I think we all kind of have a similar experience with that because I used to be able to watch the most like violent horror movie, nothing. It was just on, which is scary. Right? And then when I, you know, started healing myself, the sensitivity changed and the awareness, and you start to even feel the frequency of what's emitting, whether it's the news, etcetera.
Susan:And cutting that off, same process was life changing for me. And sometimes I'll have some clients I'm working with and they're like, Yeah, I really like watching true crime before bed. I'm like, Okay, so you're anxious though, you know? Like your body, I'll speak from my experience, when I'm watching something like that, I'm putting myself in that situation. What would I do?
Susan:I am revving up. I am hurting my nervous system. I am putting all this in my subconscious. And that's exactly what we need to deprogram. And, you know, one of my, this was actually a chiropractor I went to early on.
Susan:He was telling me, you know, when you're like sitting down and you're watching TV and there's like a commercial and it's for some sort of new pharmaceutical and they're listing all the side effects, that's going into your subconscious, all the side effects of that. It is so obvious, like, and when you think about it now, right? But then it's like those little subtle things that we can change, that's gonna change the input, that's gonna change your whole life. So I'm so glad we're talking about this because that's huge because these are little things we can change now that actually are the big things.
Smoke:Absolutely. And when we, even when we do a lot of healing and we've cleared a lot of like, old trauma and everything else, and we're in a really good place. We have to be aware of what is coming in. Like the only thing we control is what goes into our subconscious. And if you like the pharmaceutical commercials are a great example.
Smoke:They are programming people to be sick. Yes. It is basically implanting that this is a disease, this is happening, it's in the field. And you're like, oh, I might have this, I might have this. And you manifest it.
Smoke:And it's so even when you're clear and you're like, you're in a really good high level vibrating state, it's really important to clear every day, to kind of flush, take a spiritual shower, deprogram it, counter the false beliefs that are popping in your head, even inadvertently. If you got, by chance, you're in an airport and CNN's on and it's blasting some negativity and there's pharma commercials, you literally have to say, I'm an infinite being. I'm only subject to what I hold in mind. I do not accept any false beliefs. I negate them.
Smoke:And I do it every day. I'm like, I negate anything that I picked up along the way, clear myself of that, and and it's like, okay. It works.
Susan:Yeah. You know, when I'm just trying to watch a show to relax before bed and say it's like a mystical theme and, like, there's a spell in some language I've never heard of, I go, nope. I reject this. Or I do not consent. Mute it.
Susan:Skip the scene. I don't know what they're saying. I don't want that in my subconscious. I don't want that in my energy field. And I have felt that before.
Susan:I've watched things where like, I feel heavy. I feel sick. I have brain fog all of a sudden. What's this from? I'm grateful that with those sensitivities, can perceive exactly where that's from and clear it, but you're right.
Susan:It it hits us when we are waiting for that flight and we see it or some site some sort of, like, billboard. I saw some billboard that was literally telling someone, like, they had a disease. And I'm like, is this coming from? And it felt like something they made up too, and just driving, rejecting that, whatever I could do to not absorb that.
Smoke:Yeah. And and the, you know, we get entrained by what we allow coming into us. So, you know, I think about, like, harsh rap music or really heavy metal music or even, like, a lot of these games, these violent games and stuff where you're killing and doing all kinds of stuff. These are it even if you turn the volume off, there is a field that is entraining you if you're watching this stuff. Without the words, if you took the like on some of this music that's extreme, some of the language is terrible.
Smoke:But if you took out the language and you have, like, the white noise that blocks it out, there's a field there that's a lower astral negative field that's in training people.
Susan:Mhmm. Yeah. You know, it's funny with the music industry because I do think there's I think labels, I think they put all kinds of energies in their music. I think stuff keeps us at a lower vibration. I was there was a point where I was, like, really hyper aware of that, and then I wouldn't listen to anything I liked.
Susan:And then what I realized is like, okay. Yeah. I do. I love music, and I will listen to stuff. Maybe you guys wouldn't expect.
Susan:It has pretty pretty sus lyrics. We'll just say that. Or certain artists. And I remember getting to a point where I was like, okay. I know my vibration's higher than this.
Susan:I know my frequency's higher than this. And I will hold that intention while enjoying certain things that people wanna be like, okay. You know, I there's plenty of metal and rap songs I do like. Right? So and I'm not just saying those genres.
Susan:You know? I grew up in the early two thousands where all the pop music was programming women to be a certain way, to be extremely submissive too. And I see that now. So I think that awareness I have, like, helps me enjoy it still and not feel like it's bringing me down. But I think if you don't have that awareness and you're just letting yourself be programmed, it's like when you're really little and listen to that stuff, And I I think that's too where there's a problem.
Susan:So I totally agree, but I will say, yeah, there's also songs I love that people might be like, hey. What about that artist? And I'm like, no. I'm I'm pretty intentional. I'm gonna enjoy myself.
Susan:And if I feel drained by something, see, that's how I that's how I track it. If I'm listening to something, I feel bad and I've got really negative thoughts. That's my signal to go. Okay. That's not for me.
Susan:That that music is laced with something.
Smoke:Yeah. I mean, I I I learned from David Hawkins, you know, he calibrated lots of stuff and you can calibrate it. So you can muscle test
Susan:anything. And
Smoke:so if there's something that is, you sense it naturally because you think of the feeling, but if someone is not able to do that, you can muscle test it. You can get David Hawkins' Truth versus Falsehood book, and he's calibrated a whole bunch of music and movies and all kinds of stuff. But if it's below 200, if it's non integris, the reality is you're better off not participating in it. And if it's above 200, fine. And a lot of traditional rock, a lot of music is above 200.
Smoke:I mean, it's not like don't listen to music.
Susan:Yeah.
Smoke:Some those genres are absolutely astro level. And those games I mean, there are games that kids get really into and adults play, too, whether you know, you're murdering and stealing cars and doing all the Grand Theft Auto, those kind of things.
Susan:Yeah.
Smoke:That is absolutely lower astral programmed stuff that is capturing people and putting them into a a field that that you don't want them in.
Susan:Yeah. Oh, no. I agree. And I think that's why the muscle testing is a tool we should we should all know and calibrate because that's the thing. It's like you're enjoying something, but you feel bad and you're stuck in your life and you don't know how to get out of a certain rut.
Susan:What if that's the thing that's causing it? What if you are playing just those games or you're listening to music that's just keeping you in that lower astral state? For sure. Power versus Force was one of the first books I got that really oh, well, that's where I learned the map of consciousness. Yeah.
Susan:And and started to I had done, like, muscle testing before to see what like, to help me with, like, food allergies and making certain decisions, but the calibration is a game changer. Yeah. It's a
Smoke:game changer. And it's not available to everyone, it's probably available to everyone watching this because you've got to be calibrating above 200. You have to, with integrity to access it. But if you are, you have access to literally any question in the universe, as long as your intentions are good, you have access to that information and it's extraordinary.
Susan:Yeah. And I mean, even with I'm trying to think too, like, with certain not just with, like, horror movies I watched too, but with the calibration, it was, like, helping me go, do I wanna go to, like, this event? Do I wanna give my energy to this? I've I've used it to test so many things. And it just like, even with, like, quality of food or what supplements I take, like, it's just something that I think like, once you open up that world and, you know, how to help fine tune your discernment, it's it's yeah.
Susan:It's a gift. It really is.
Smoke:It really is. I I do it for know? I don't take on clients. You know? I'm I do M and A in the business world of selling, you know, if they're not integrists.
Smoke:I I test and, you know, do I want to spend time on this project or not? And I don't waste time if it's not.
Susan:Yeah. Oh, absolutely. I've learned throughout the years how to, like, kind of screen my practice too, because sometimes we don't think about that, like, when we're taking on clients. If you're in business or an energy healer, you know, people don't always have the best of intentions. Or you're maybe just taking on someone who doesn't wanna heal, but they they, you know, they wanna just be on the phone or whatever it is.
Susan:Like, these I I feel like everything in this reality is teaching us how to fine tune and and really create that strong discernment, and it's gonna show up in what's immediately in front of you. Yeah.
Smoke:Awesome. Well, anything else you wanna explore or talk about? I think these are like so important topics. And I really, you know, I think you're helping so many people and the more people that learn about this and experience it, better we're going to be as a world. And there's this camp that says the world is the way it's supposed to be.
Smoke:Everything is exactly the way it's supposed to be. But also, we're supposed to be elevating our consciousness and helping each other do that. So, you know, if we're working on ourselves and we're helping each other along the way, I think that's important. It's not trying to change the world. We're changing the world by us changing ourselves.
Susan:Oh, absolutely. That's the work and that's the energy I, you know, I leave myself with, but also, you know, with clients. It's like someone comes to you with something and they're shifting and they're healing. The effect that that's going to have on the world, it is about just going within, healing, shifting the planet frequency wise that way. And sometimes we don't even know we're doing it.
Susan:Sometimes it's like those acts of kindness when you're out in public and say, I'm not in in session mode and I'm, you know, listening to someone who I'm talking to something in line with, then the power that we have to shift anything is so important. And so that's why I'm glad today we we had a conversation, not only about those things, but now with this last thing we talked about, about reclaiming the subconscious and what the input is that goes in and and and being discerning and and and going through the journey that way and and sharing it. So I do think sharing these experiences is also that big thing that we can do that sometimes it might feel like the biggest it might not feel like the biggest shift, but literally having a conversation like this, just this right now, that shifts. And so I feel like that's, I guess, one of the big takeaways I've learned throughout my journey and that I always just love talking about because look at how influential we all can be just by being ourselves and having a conversation about something really real.
Smoke:It's so true. And lest anyone become disheartened or focused on all the mayhem in the world and everything, a very small number of people elevated at a higher level of vibration counteracts the negativity of tens of millions of people. So because of the way it works and every movement up is a log scale. And it is such a big factor that someone who's calibrating at love at 500 or unconditional love at five forty counteracts like 10,000,000 people who are below 200. So everyone makes a big difference.
Smoke:Just every little thing.
Susan:That's you know, when we hear a phrase that sometimes sounds cliche or cheesy, like, it's real for a reason. When we say you change yourself, you change the world, that's exactly why. That's literally the mechanics behind it. And that's why it's so important. And that's why it's so important to you.
Susan:Like, think of when just your say you don't have any healing tools and you manage to talk yourself out of a rut, a panic attack, some sort of depression, and you self heal, you find a way to get through something. Look what your frequency did and look what it's emanating. And then you share that with someone.
Smoke:That's the
Susan:smallest scale example. And then think of that people then who have the tools for that or who express it or us just talking about that now. That's what it's about. And that's honestly the thing that gets me excited for life. Like when I'm down and I hear something, there's so much that you hear about the state of the world and it's horrific and we're not turning a blind eye to things.
Susan:But then when you see people healing in front of you in real time and you see what's shifting, you can't ignore that.
Smoke:Yeah. And my personal belief is that just as all the things, like I wanted peace and love in my everything that was in the way came up and I That's had to go through it, what's happening in the world. So all the turmoil and all the mayhem is actually the Earth, humanity, the things that have to be healed are coming up, and they're becoming surface. So you can no longer be a lying politician and get away with it like you could. You can no longer be disingenuous and non integris in business and get away with it.
Smoke:I mean, you can for a little while, but it's all surfacing. So actually there's a lot of reason to be optimistic and hopeful because the turmoil is showing what's coming up because it has to be healed.
Susan:Absolutely. I think the dryness in my throat was literally coming up as you were describing that. I was like, sorry, guys. I was like, clearing my throat. Absolutely.
Susan:I think there was a time where all of that was suppressed and exactly what you said. People, it felt like they could get away with it. Right? Those lying politicians, etcetera, they could for some time, but then it comes up because it's directly mirroring where we are in reality and consciousness, and literally the dark transmuting to light. And when that happens, it looks chaotic, it comes forward.
Susan:And I think it's because we, as a collective over the years, have worked to raise our consciousness and frequency, and those things can't be hidden anymore. And that's that's a pretty exciting time to to really be here and witness, you know? And it's exactly like what we're talking about. We're not blind to the mayhem and the the mayhem and the chaos in the world. But at the same time, the fact that we can see that and and wanna hold that peace and continue to do so while realizing, oh, stuff is shifting.
Susan:That's really what we talk about when we say we're going through a big shift or a timeline shift or such a process. Whatever terminology we wanna use right now, it's it's right in front of our our faces. And I think the more we commit to our truth and healing ourselves, because I think what we're seeing externally is our individual work of looking at our own shadows and healing. It's just happening on such a grand scale. And now it's like, it's out there.
Susan:We can all see it.
Smoke:Yeah. And to that point, we can see it and be the witness, but don't engage in the polarities. So it's really important not to get sucked into the this side or that side. I mean, look, there's things that we have preferences for and we might like one way or another. But the reality is a lot of the political battle, a lot of the fighting you see is to keep people asleep.
Smoke:It's to keep them engaged with fighting each other as opposed to elevating their consciousness. And you can be aware of it and be compassionate to this stuff without engaging in it directly and not being sucked into the energy of it.
Susan:Absolutely. Separation consciousness has been the oldest trick in the book with keeping us separate, fighting in conflict as that distraction. And I think even more and more people are realizing that too. That's one of those things that's coming to the surface because it's like, wow, the polarity is so strong right now. The tension on in any side, in any issue is so strong.
Susan:That is a sign that, wow, so much positive life and energy is happening and shifting that it has to look that extreme. Yeah.
Smoke:Yeah, yeah. Awesome. Well, Susan, thank you so much for taking a little time. And this was, I think, really a good conversation. I feel honored to have you as my guest.
Smoke:I hope we could do it again sometime down the road and share more learnings as you're going through your journey and I'm going through my journey.
Susan:Absolutely. Thank you again for having me. It was so great to reconnect again and so wonderful to be able to meet your audience. And I would absolutely love to come back. Thank you.
Smoke:Awesome. And if people wanna get ahold of you, if they want to try to get some healing or connect, I can put that in the show notes. But is there a best way that you like to receive information?
Susan:Yeah, absolutely. So if you wanna book a healing session from me, the best way is to just contact me through my website. It's quantumspherehealercom, and I have a session booking form for anyone to fill out, and you'll automatically be added to my waitlist, and we book from there. But I do do my monthly livestreams on my YouTube channel. So actually next Sunday or whenever this comes out, usually the last Sunday of the month is when I do these, I present the energy for the next month.
Susan:So my YouTube channel is just quantumspherehealer. So that name is, of course, my healing modality, and I have my monthly energy updates, but also that's where I have my energetic tools. So if you wanna learn how to ground yourself, do inner child work. I've got inner child videos, reparenting videos, how to meet with your higher self, grounding, coalescence, all that. I have all those resources on my YouTube channel.
Susan:And then, of course, my Instagram is just also at QuantumStreetHealer. And, you know, I post daily on that and interact with you guys on there too. So that's where I am. That's where you can find me.
Smoke:Awesome. Well, thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And keep up the the beautiful work you're doing, and all the best to you.
Susan:Thank you. You too. Appreciate you.