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S6 EP17 | As the SAW franchise reaches its 11th installments, the studio demands another film franchise achieve greater heights, and this one tests Jim's love of a series.
Two screenwriters attempt to recreate, reimagine, or flat out fix, existing film franchises when 'the studio' demands...MORE FILMS! It's an exercise in creative thinking where they will challenge themselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. | Sixfive Media
Hello and welcome to the studio demands it an exercise in creative thinking where we will conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film or series based on the demands from one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overlord.
Speaker 2:Overlord.
Speaker 1:As professional screen writers ourselves and massive cinephiles, we talk movies all the time.
Speaker 2:All the time.
Speaker 1:And we'd like to believe that we could meet any demand thrown at us. Us. We will be your screen writers for this episode. I am TC Dwitt and joining me as always is Jim Trick and or Treat Brazellic. Hey, Jim.
Speaker 2:Hello. That that is a that's a hint. Yeah. That's what today is gonna
Speaker 1:be about. It might be. It it might be. It
Speaker 2:might be. Yeah. It's one
Speaker 1:of those situations where the listener knows before we do.
Speaker 2:That's
Speaker 1:true. We we know it's horror related. We know it's
Speaker 2:Sort of. Well, like, I I think we mentioned a couple times the last couple seasons. We've we've had a bit more knowledge about what's coming
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Right. In the episode.
Speaker 1:As a refresher, yeah, we usually like, we wanna target something around this area. Yeah. So we usually file away. I do a word search, grab the number of demands that's have that word as the keyword for the subject.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then we randomize and whatever the one that pops to the top.
Speaker 2:But this one this one is more classic Mhmm. Because you you gave me like kind of a hint. You said think about horror movies. Yeah. Was all you said.
Speaker 1:So Well, we have you Yeah.
Speaker 2:Informing me of I know what my middle name is, but that my middle name is Trick and or Trees. Yeah. Kind of clues me in a little further.
Speaker 1:Possibly. I I I keyworded Saw because the saw franchise has got an eleventh movie coming out.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. And so Not where I thought this was going.
Speaker 1:That's okay. Surprise. It's it's not necessarily about that. I just wanted to because the the spooky season is upon us.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:We're we're moving towards people start celebrating the spooky season after fourth of July. So I'm just honoring those. I I respect all religions and beliefs. And
Speaker 2:Well, you know why? What? It's because after the fireworks go out Mhmm. It's it gets really quiet and it's nighttime. And so that's the first spook Oh.
Speaker 2:Is everyone's it's really quiet. All you hear is maybe the murmur of people picking up their lawn chairs Yeah. And shuffling home.
Speaker 1:Oh, I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 2:First, it's the first spook of the season.
Speaker 1:Is it is this your cannon that you've created?
Speaker 2:My tradition for the last fifty years.
Speaker 1:You're you're not even that old. That's amazing. No. But I I love that. I love that.
Speaker 1:That if if you're talking to yourself made
Speaker 2:that up.
Speaker 1:That's I love that. That the first scare of the season is the quiet after fourth of July fireworks. That's good. I like, I could you you could build a horror movie on that alone. Like, the spooky season has begun.
Speaker 1:The last firework has popped and and and scared away as many as possible, and now the silence has brought them back in.
Speaker 2:And you gotta get home before the unpatriotic spirits?
Speaker 1:Uh-oh. This movie took a turn.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Was trying to bring fourth fourth of July back into it.
Speaker 1:Angel Studios presents. No. I like that. But, yeah, we we're we're moving towards the end of the season. We're getting close to the end of the year as well.
Speaker 1:I mean, we're in August still, but we're moving towards the the Halloween season. And and as the end of our season, yeah, that's a it's been a good season, but we still got plenty of episodes to go. And your name being Trick or Treat Trick and or Treat. And or Treat. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1:I'm so
Speaker 2:sorry. I am the Halloween of Star Wars.
Speaker 1:Do you do you wanna just go straight into the demand here?
Speaker 2:No. We could we could continue to banter
Speaker 1:and We don't to keep riffing on. I did you grow up doing trick or treat? Yeah. I did not.
Speaker 2:Oh, really?
Speaker 1:My my parents decided just before my older sister was born, they heard the freaking urban legend about the razor blades and apples, which was never true.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:And it wasn't true till someone made it true, whatever. And so they decided, you know what? We're not gonna do trick or treat. They didn't hand out candy, they handed out pennies, and they didn't take the kids out to trick or treat. So I didn't get to go trick or treating until, like, my senior year of high school.
Speaker 1:And then I had to, like, squat down and pretend I wasn't six feet tall and
Speaker 2:Oh, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I didn't grow up getting to do any trick or treating.
Speaker 2:I'm sorry. I wanna give you some candy right now.
Speaker 1:Oh. Well, you know, I love candy.
Speaker 2:A, there's none around here, and b, it would be yours that I would be handing to you.
Speaker 1:My favorite trick or treating experience. Our our dear our dear friend Candice, I took her trick or treating once. So she's she's an adult. Mhmm. And but she's short.
Speaker 1:She's only about five seven, five eight. Mhmm. And and I'm I so we put her in a full costume, had to tell us that she's
Speaker 2:I'm I'm going to represent how dare you say that five seven five eight is short.
Speaker 1:Sorry, short king. Ever I I forget how how tall.
Speaker 2:I got I got all of our backs out there.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Thank you, Jim. But we put her in a costume and she, was small enough and look she looked like a like in her costume like a 12 year old kid. Sure. So then I I was like, alright.
Speaker 1:I'd stand like on the sidewalk and go ahead. Go ahead. And then she'd go up and and we went and she was she lived in San Bernardino, is like rich people, then they give away full size candy bars. Mhmm. So, we hit like three neighborhoods.
Speaker 1:She wouldn't talk to anyone. There's these like one point, these two little like 13 year kids, like, who are you? Do we know you? And she just kept shaking her head and running away. That was such a great experience.
Speaker 1:We got such a hall of candy that year. It was so great. Nice. I just played proud dad. Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's my that's my favorite trick or treat memory.
Speaker 2:That's awesome. My my best trick or treat memory is it it really is less of a specific thing that happened and more of just like a vibe. Mhmm. Like, are a couple years where we went over to my aunt's neighborhood, and I was able to bring a friend. And I think, actually, that might be the first year I remember it being warm enough that we didn't have to wear jackets
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Over the costumes. Because in Wisconsin, October 31 is late enough in the year that it is very cold, and very often you have to trick or treat with your winter coat on over your costume.
Speaker 1:Jerry said that was a good joke about that great Superman costuming as a kid, then I had put the parka over it. Yeah. I just oh, boy. That's a whole another conversation. I remember Thanksgiving where there was a a just six feet of snow.
Speaker 1:We built, like, a 10 foot tall snowman because
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 1:It doesn't snow on Thanksgiving around Wisconsin anymore.
Speaker 2:No. Not anymore.
Speaker 1:Nor on I remember Halloween's with snow. Like Yeah. Yeah. But you're you're you're
Speaker 2:Oh, and and also because that neighborhood also did trick or treating at night Mhmm. My neighborhood didn't do it at night. We we went out in the the Yeah. The day. Sober light of day.
Speaker 1:That And
Speaker 2:it it just it's
Speaker 1:It's safer. Yeah. It's safer. Is. But it
Speaker 2:does But it's it's that's it's that's a it's a magical thing for a kid
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To to go out at night. Yeah. It it adds to it.
Speaker 1:That's why the the mystique that you see in film and television is the the nighttime trick or treating.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And and, you know, we we might the demand might allow us to talk more about this and the traditions of Halloween. We we might as well move right into it. Okay?
Speaker 2:Okay. Here we go.
Speaker 1:So here we go. Jim, our amazing listeners, and they are amazing, have given us demands from studios literally all over the world. And you listening right now, you can send us any demand you'd like if and any demand you'd like, and we will have to meet it right here on the spot. And when we reach the end of the episode, if we've done our jobs, we'll have pitched a full script or story and story meeting or even exceeding those demands. And when the season comes to an end, your demand could have helped us craft the script that would be greenlit by the fans for our finale.
Speaker 1:So thanks to everyone who has submitted and oh, pre roll on this because he might be listening to the main main episode. We we actually did a a quick little demand in the pre like, our pre tape today.
Speaker 2:It was kinda spontaneous.
Speaker 1:Yep. It was for Graham oh, shoot. I should have left that up. Graham Nolan? Is that right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Graham, we did your your godfather demand. We did the godfather Muppets in brief for, for you. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Was it was a a a we didn't change any the story. It was just a recasting of the the Muppets into the roles.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And so we The
Speaker 2:main roles.
Speaker 1:We, your your demand, keep them coming because, you know, you never know. It was one of the original season one demands that came in, we never never tackled it because a demand that's just do the godfather with the Muppets isn't exactly a full episode.
Speaker 2:We we weren't sure what to do. We weren't sure how to how to make that a full episode.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Graham Graham Nolan from, Phenomenal Pictures. It's time to remake the Godfather starring the Muppets. So we we did
Speaker 2:And we did it. Yeah. There you go.
Speaker 1:But anyway, today's demand
Speaker 2:It was time and now six years later, we've done it.
Speaker 1:We've done it. Yeah. Today's Disney's wasting so much time. Like, they have the Muppets. Have we talked about
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:They have the Muppets. They keep doing remakes of stuff. Why aren't they just doing remakes with the Muppets? Like, they have them right there. That's a whole another thing.
Speaker 1:Okay. Today's demand comes from okay. Here we go. KJ from a Bloody Good Time Production Studios. That's funny.
Speaker 1:A Bloody Good Time Production Studios. Saw, there it is, is about to have its eleventh installment making it tied for the fifth longest running horror franchise. That's woah. But does it deserve to have that many entries? That's not for us to decide.
Speaker 1:Movie watchers have decided to place this series among Hellraiser, Children of the Corn oh, I see what he's done.
Speaker 2:He's naming the number.
Speaker 1:Sorry. No. No. Sorry. KJ, I didn't mean to gender you.
Speaker 1:There's Hellraiser, 11 movies. Children of the Corn, 11 movies. Friday the thirteenth, thirteen. Halloween, 13. Night of the Living Dead, 15.
Speaker 1:And puppet master, 15 movies. But I bet Jim and probably TC, hey. I bet Jim and probably TC think this is egregious. I might think that's egregious. There are other horror movies that deserve a longer running franchise, and our studio demands that you place one that should be among these legends.
Speaker 1:You that you place one that should be among these legends.
Speaker 2:Oh, so we're gonna make we're gonna make a a bunch of sequels
Speaker 1:These studio.
Speaker 2:Enough sequels to to to raise another horror franchise into
Speaker 1:Yeah. This That's it.
Speaker 2:Illustrious
Speaker 1:The studio demands that you do what you've done before and make a tenth installment to a horror series. Yes.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay. Choose a film that should have more love and make it among the most beloved. The studio demands it. Thanks for taking my request, guys. I'm honored to be a part of your library.
Speaker 1:Thank you, KJ. Congrats on six seasons.
Speaker 2:Yes. KJ, thought you were gonna do it. I I thought you were gonna say do a saw.
Speaker 1:I'm I'm glad it's not do a saw because I that was what I thought it might be. Because we did we did have a couple other saw demands. And and I I for for one, I
Speaker 2:don't So I started not liking saw. A part of that might be because I saw it with my friend. And, like, we went in and he was like, because he had already watched it. He was like, here, watch this. It's not good.
Speaker 2:Here's why I think it's not good. Mhmm. So I had, like, I had my arms crossed the whole time and I was like, so I walked away not really liking it. Looking back and looking back, there are things that are a first movie about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I actually what was my my takeaway? I actually really liked the second, and then I didn't like the third. Mhmm. It's basically it had the for for me, it had the Star Trek rules.
Speaker 1:The even number ones were good.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But as far as the notion of does it deserve a place in in the the long Yeah.
Speaker 1:This is this is
Speaker 2:I did not I did not think so for the first six movies.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:I think it was it was seven or eight. I forget which way whichever one was supposed supposed to be the last one. I was actually upset that it was the quote unquote last one because they had set it up perfectly to finally pass the the the the torch From from Jigsaw himself Sure. To a spoiler shit. Spoiler shit.
Speaker 2:Spoiler shit. To Carrie Ellis
Speaker 1:Carrie Ellis.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Character. And they didn't. He was just like, I'm I'm ending it like we agreed. And I'll be honest, I haven't watched the ones that have come out since.
Speaker 2:Seven. Was that was
Speaker 1:seven. Was number seven.
Speaker 2:Other people clearly agreed with me because then they made three more. I wanted to see the Chris Rock one. I I just I didn't get a chance. Mhmm. So but but by that point, by by seven, I thought, no.
Speaker 2:They they I think they've earned it and they've earned a way out, a way to continue without
Speaker 1:Tobin Bell's.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Without Tobin Bell and Tobin Bell was great. But the idea that this one guy set up all of these traps across the city with all of these people just was stretched too far.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so by passing it and allowing time to pass rather than, oh, yeah. This guy with stage four cancer set up all of these set up all these death traps and kidnap people with the help with the help of of three people. Mhmm. But nevertheless, setting up all that stuff with one character annoyed me. It it stretched the limits of my belief, which I guess was maybe my saw trap.
Speaker 1:And you couldn't get yourself out
Speaker 2:of it.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yeah. I I've I have I think I've seen up to seven as well. I gave up on the series. It just became too much, like the gratuitous violence of it.
Speaker 1:I could appreciate the fun for a spell and then kind of got turned off. But my strongest memory when it comes to Saw is that first movie. I think that first movie was shocking and horrifying in in the right ways that it did that I was like, wow. This was this was something. But my the the most strongest thing about this is I had a friend who claimed constantly she knew the ending to Saw when she first saw it.
Speaker 1:She like, soon as it started, I knew how it was gonna end. Like, you there's no way. You cannot can't that's not true. It's a lie. You can say that about Sixth Sense if you've seen even a remote amount of movies that have that I could buy that.
Speaker 1:When someone was like, oh, I knew the he was sorry, spoiler. He was dead the whole time. Yeah. Like, yeah, I buy that. That's not that's not but there's no way.
Speaker 1:There's nothing in that first movie that suggests any foreshadowing to that body waking up at the end of the movie and and walking out of there and it's him the whole time. Nothing. I refuse. So that that and that's fine for you
Speaker 2:to refuse. I can fathom someone guessing.
Speaker 1:Not her. She was an idiot. But
Speaker 2:what what bothers me is people who take attitude of like, yeah, it didn't get me because like because mostly because
Speaker 1:We will get to your demand, KJ.
Speaker 2:We will. Let a movie surprise you. Yeah. Like, okay, cool. You figured it out.
Speaker 2:You're smarter than the movie. You're not getting your money back. You got out of the escape room thirty minutes in. Cool. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Congratulations. Don't be a dick about it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because because that's what it was. It wasn't just that she claimed she knew the ending, which I refuse to believe is true, but that she would always lord that over people.
Speaker 1:Oh, you like the Saw movies? I knew the ending. When I saw the first one, I was like, shut up. Just look in. What is this?
Speaker 1:You have nothing better in this world, and look what I've done. I've fixated on it for twenty years.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What right. So I backseat quarterbacking here.
Speaker 1:What should I have said, Jim?
Speaker 2:I I I well, I'm I wonder to her, like, oh, especially with that attitude. Like, what gave it away? What was the thing? What was the what
Speaker 1:was the No.
Speaker 2:Not even not even oh, you just intuited?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Knew.
Speaker 2:Okay. Monkey with a typewriter. Cool. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:Alright. Well, the fact that there's 11 Saw movies is pretty shocking. I'm kind of surprised on some of these that he listed here. Children of the Corn, 11 movies? My god.
Speaker 1:Like Yeah. The fact that that Child's Play could probably be counted on here as well because it's had two or three seasons of a show at this point. So that's a pretty extensive franchise. I've I've seen one puppet master. The fact that there's 15 of them is insane.
Speaker 1:And then the I guess I could look I could probably find, like, a quick Google search of, like, what is the longest running one?
Speaker 2:The the one that surprised me because I thought I I thought I didn't think that there were that many. I thought I knew them all was the Night of Living Dead.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I could look okay. So Witchcraft has 16 movies.
Speaker 1:It's a straight video horror franchise, neither well known nor well regarded. Yeah. The Night of the Living Dead series has 15 movies. Yeah. There are 15 official films.
Speaker 1:What
Speaker 2:was that?
Speaker 1:But the original immediately entered public domain. Dozens of unofficial movies were made but won't be counted here. So there is, yeah, Dawn of the Dead, Day of the Dead, Land of the Dead.
Speaker 2:Diary of the Dead. Yep. Is it Documentary of the Dead? Something like that. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Those are the those are the ones I knew of.
Speaker 1:So I yeah. Even though he called me out or or even though they called me out in this that you would be more, aggrieved than me. So I I do default to you thinking of horror movies, thinking of franchises. I I could we could sit here and brainstorm some, but what is what is a
Speaker 2:So well, so right. We will have to find one that we both like and can move on. Otherwise, it'll be making one where you're just like,
Speaker 1:oh, okay. There's no others. No. No. No.
Speaker 2:But let's name some funny ones to have up to 10 movies.
Speaker 1:10 movies.
Speaker 2:The Ghoulies.
Speaker 1:The 10 Ghoulies. Oh, my God. I mean, Ghoulies.
Speaker 2:How many toilets can they come out of?
Speaker 1:Gremlins, you know, 10 Gremlin movies.
Speaker 2:Oh, when I was a kid, that would that sounded amazing. Looking back, I was a dumb kid. The Gremlins probably deserves it, but they didn't the
Speaker 1:No. Here here's something that that we need to find as well.
Speaker 2:The Gremlins deserves better than it got.
Speaker 1:Sure. Sure. Joe Dante had fun with that second movie because it was Yeah. Sort of like a, oh oh, you want this? Oh, you're gonna get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Sort of like the Wachowskis doing that fourth matrix movie. It's like, we'll give you exactly what you asked for. Here's the thing, We're we're I think we're in the ballpark because franchise all the ones listed here are not, like, cinematic masterpieces.
Speaker 2:How do that's
Speaker 1:the egregious thing here. Yeah. You get what I'm saying, though. Like, going straight to Ghoulies was correct. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Going to It Follows, probably not correct.
Speaker 2:Like, Hellraiser Hellraiser could could and should have as many movies as it does, but the movies that are in there are not not all quality.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And I I named I named you this with just talk wanted to talk about Halloween and whatnot, but Trick or Treat, I don't know if the that's an anthology movie. It's it's one of my favorite Halloween movies I watch. It's the one I watch every Halloween is Sure. Trick Trick or Treat.
Speaker 1:But I it's as an anthology, could you do you could
Speaker 2:Honestly, yes. As an as an anthology. So trick or treat's a little harder. The one that's kind of already built to do it is Tales was it Tales from the Crypt?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Tales from the Crypt.
Speaker 2:Because it was because it was a show. Yeah. But that that was a movie. Right? That was the one with Stephen King.
Speaker 2:Stephen King was did the original one?
Speaker 1:I No. That's Creep Show.
Speaker 2:Creep Shows. Yeah. Okay. Then then I I would say Creep Show. Creep show should should just be every other year, there should be a new creep show in which we see three or four new
Speaker 1:Horror shorts.
Speaker 2:Horror shorts.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Absolutely. I would that that could've
Speaker 2:showcasing new filmmakers and all kind yeah.
Speaker 1:Like James Wan.
Speaker 2:VHS is doing that.
Speaker 1:That's exactly what VHS is doing. It's, like, creating this anthology continuing going ongoing series that tests new filmmakers Mhmm. Tests tests new writers and producers and gives acting opportunities to, like, nobodies that that they can, like, launch careers from. Yeah. Having Creep Show, Tales From the Crip, VHS, keep going.
Speaker 1:Any numb Trick or Treat, any anthology Trick or Treat's not an anthology exactly.
Speaker 2:No. No. That's that's why I that's why I moved away from it.
Speaker 1:Treat show is Yeah. Distinctly short films. Yeah. Yeah. Trick or Treat
Speaker 2:is Trick or Treat is several short stories, but they
Speaker 1:They Pulp Fiction it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so then imagining doing that every movie, it's not impossible.
Speaker 1:But it loses some of the the glamour of that Yeah. Of, like, okay. We get the gimmick now. Now we're just looking to the background to see things. So is there you had referenced the house.
Speaker 1:Right?
Speaker 2:House. House. Just just House. House. The House is a Japanese movie that I ashamedly have yet to see.
Speaker 1:Okay. But you had you had turned me on The House.
Speaker 2:Actually We oh, yeah. We gotta we we have to watch them. Because so growing up, house two was a movie, and it is so much it's it's so much more tame than even the first house. But as a kid, I loved that movie. About the these these it's it's where I learned about the crystal skull.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. It's the first movie I I ever saw, first thing I ever learned that had the crystal skull in it. It had undead cowboys before I was even into westerns. A good ten years before I was into westerns.
Speaker 1:Oh, shit. I just think I just figured out one go ahead.
Speaker 2:No. What I I got nothing else.
Speaker 1:The the evil dead. Like, technically, because of the series slowly.
Speaker 2:They're on their way. Yeah. I see your Evil Dead, and I count her with Killer Tomatoes.
Speaker 1:Know. Yes. Killer Tomatoes. Yeah. The Evil Dead there's the original trilogy
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And then they've had two two more since. There's there was the Yeah. Evil Dead and then Evil Dead, the one that came out just to be Rock
Speaker 2:not Rock Rise? Was it Evil Dead Rise?
Speaker 1:Evil Dead Rise. Yeah. Yeah. Which, man. Like, so much fun, but, like, any eyeball stuff, I'm like Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could you and you Ash versus Evil Dead, you love that series.
Speaker 2:I love that show. I think that I need to rewatch it again. That may be my favorite TV show ever. I just smile the entire time it's on.
Speaker 1:Can you imagine that having like, now that the shows exist, bringing Ash back to the big screen and now giving us or we could do what we did with speed, is clearly what KJ is referencing here of us taking take like, imagining the show doesn't exist. Sorry. Are you okay if I say that? Okay. And now, army of, army of darkness or evil dead three, and then six, seven more following it.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's a darker timeline than than even what we're already in with you erasing that show.
Speaker 1:I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:Because the the, like, right following logically from where that sets off actually connects to a fun comic book. It's I think it was it was something like Ash versus the Army of Darkness or might have just been Army of Darkness. But it was a fun romp across a multiverse as Ash was thrown through through time and reality. Yes. Even crossing over into at at the time, Marvel Zombies was huge.
Speaker 1:Yes. I remember this.
Speaker 2:So Ash ended up in the Marvel Zombies universe.
Speaker 1:Oh, great.
Speaker 2:And it's great. In the in the first page, spoilers for a comic book that's almost twenty years old now or maybe is.
Speaker 1:Stop saying dates.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's on that's on me. That's on me.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2:I broke my own rule. Ash Ashes in New York City is all of these superhero zombies are are attacking everyone. And I believe it's zombie dazzler that kills ash. Oh, no. And then I think ash kills zombie dazzler because we find out that that ash is the ash from this world.
Speaker 2:Oh. And the ash we're following is jumping through worlds.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:And at first, he thinks, oh, this is more deadites. And the Necronomicon is is sort of like this this evil character that's also that's sort of also going with him. And he was, nah. Nah. These aren't deadites.
Speaker 2:These are these are a thing all on their own. But but he has to he has to survive his way through maybe it wasn't zombie dazzler. I think dazzler was with him alive. So she's sort of his his sidekick through through his time there, I think, is what happens. You know, it's important for me to get these details Yeah.
Speaker 2:In my summary. For him to basically set up the ritual to to jump out of this world within and and chase the Necronomicon to to the next.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's imagine for a moment well, we'll one two ways here. I think to to the spirit of this is a a film series that has accumulated this many movies as opposed to adding, like, Ash versus the evil that exists, now tack on seven more movies. Or do we say the three exist, attack, and then we pick up with that one?
Speaker 2:Or So I bring up that because I if I remember it correctly, it actually picks up where Army of Darkness left off
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is in a world without Ash versus the Evil Dead or or these these the the other two movies, which is what I my my inclination would be. So now he is Ash. I would well, I guess we there's actually two endings to arm army of darkness that we could jump from. And it's either the which is where the show goes. It jumps from the end of actually, don't know if the show really does that.
Speaker 2:The show kinda does its own thing Mhmm. Because they didn't have parenthetical, because they didn't have the rights to army of darkness, so they couldn't really make reference to it in the TV show. Right. At least for the first season. I don't know if they picked it up at a later point.
Speaker 2:But at the end of army of darkness, he is back in the modern day, but there are still deadites because he didn't quite say the phrase right.
Speaker 1:Nah.
Speaker 2:And so and and so it's a it's a modern day Ash versus the evil dead. Sure. Or the alternate ending, the the the original ending that they they didn't go with, cause I guess it didn't test well, was the potion to put him to sleep for several centuries Mhmm. Was to he drank too much of it, and he wakes up in a deadite apocalyptic future. Oh.
Speaker 2:He's like, I slept too long. Like, that's what he says.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, it would be Ash in a post apocalypse.
Speaker 1:Post apocalyptic. Okay.
Speaker 2:Trying to basically save whatever's left of humanity from the deadites that have have taken over.
Speaker 1:Here here okay. Let's imagine we the what's the first ending? The one that they ended up releasing, the theatrical release was Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where where where the the whole thing is him he's telling a story and, Ted Ramey is like, really? That's that's your story? And he was like, yeah. I oh, did you say the words right this time?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he goes, yeah. Of course, I said the words right. Yeah. Mostly.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then and then because does does
Speaker 2:And then, like, a a a a shopper turns into a dead eye. Right. He has he has to take
Speaker 1:his mask. Yeah. Okay. That's the ending that we were given in Yes. In the cinema.
Speaker 1:Okay. So let's pick up there. I I'm I'm I'm all for doing ten ten Evil Dead movies right now because I I can see the note. I this is what I would suggest. When we get to 10, that ash that we follow catches up to the other universe ash that got the other ending so that 10 would work in such a way that if you watched one, two, army of darkness and then watched the one ending, you could jump to 10, or you could watch one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, that there's two ashes.
Speaker 1:Because you you saying that they did that in Marvel Zombies, that they had two different ashes, let's let's play with that that can that sort of pseudo canon fun that the two endings of Armin of the Darkness are both separate timelines. Because what's evil dead to pick up? The theatrical release or the alternate? The no. Theatrical release.
Speaker 1:I can answer that myself.
Speaker 2:Well, it ignores army of darkness.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. It just goes off a two?
Speaker 2:Kind of. Yeah. Oh, And and Ash has been living in is it Dearborn? Mhmm. For, like, the last twenty, thirty Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Years. Not even as low as a local hero. He is he's basically a a a deadbeat who's been working at s Mart, and the book has been dormant. It's it's been gone. He thought he got rid of it.
Speaker 1:He thought
Speaker 2:he killed it, and he didn't.
Speaker 1:Well, the the
Speaker 2:And this this this is strangely really hard for me because I'm trying to think, well, what are we what with speed, it was easy because I I feel we could get really irreverent. And technically, this series can get irreverent like the TV show did, but it feels it feels like I'm slaughtering sacred cows.
Speaker 1:Well, if we if we don't have to do evil then if it's
Speaker 2:you No. The the so when Ash when Ash versus the Evil Dead came out Mhmm. I was incredibly jealous that I wasn't at a different point in my career, that I wasn't involved in the TV show. So if I if I cower from this challenge, I I wouldn't I don't deserve the opportunity to make an Evil Dead.
Speaker 1:Well, here's some things to consider. If for the, when did, army darkness came out in '97, I wanna say?
Speaker 2:No. '93, '94.
Speaker 1:'92. Wow. I was way off. So '92 to 2025, if we're gonna release the tenth movie now, right Mhmm. That's a good stretch of years for us to drop in Evil Dead as opposed to, like, dropping them every other year.
Speaker 1:Right? So we could well, we can circle back to my notion that the tenth movie honors both endings. That Mhmm. That the the tenth movie is a post apocalyptic.
Speaker 2:I feel like that would hap that would I think that would come about earlier than the tenth movie.
Speaker 1:Like the seventh one.
Speaker 2:It might. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The the reason I say this is that the, if if you like I I kinda like the idea that he's chasing the Necronomicon through time through time and space, essentially. Right? Mhmm. That, like because then we can have a western evil dead, and then we can have, like, a we could have because of the success of the e the Evil Dead franchise in 2013 or '14, they did an Ash and the Marvel zombies, like Oh. Like that half.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That the success of the MCU corresponded with the success of the Eeled Dead that they allowed a crossover movie that isn't MCU canon. And not out the realm of possibility because we're getting a Marvel Zombies cartoon series on Disney plus
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:After the success of the one episode of What If.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So even if the Ash and the Marvel Zombies is a a straight to is a cinema release animated movie Mhmm. That that but it's still canon to the to the Ash franchise
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:That could potentially be fit into our our movies here. But much like we approached speed and the demand says to make a tenth one, let's just assume we're building up our franchise to this tenth movie. Right?
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Do you wanna do that again? Sure. Yeah. Okay. So what do you got?
Speaker 1:Like, what where where's your heart take you here? Shop smart. He lost his hand. Yeah. He's got a chainsaw hand.
Speaker 2:God, I just wanna make the TV show.
Speaker 1:Oh, no. We better do something else then if you can't. If you can't let the
Speaker 2:It was so genius.
Speaker 1:I know. It was so
Speaker 2:like, literally, because he had a wooden hand for, like, the first several episodes.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And he has a guy who works at the store with him, and and he he he thinks he's great. He actually believes all of his stories and all that kind of stuff. And later on, they they make they make a glove for him. It's metal. Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They they they basically make him a robot glove so that he can have a hand again. Never mind that they made it out of scrap in a cave.
Speaker 2:They they they they made a a a very advanced bionic.
Speaker 1:Okay. I'm Okay. Can in in Ash versus the Evil Dead Yeah. The Necronomicon, is that the key MacGuffin to the whole show? Or is it the deadites that are reoccurring that are the dead?
Speaker 2:Like It's the the deadites.
Speaker 1:Okay. So where's the Necronomicon in this story? Because there's another crossover we could have had.
Speaker 2:It it, several things happened to it. They they're also chasing that because they need to get it to be able to do the ritual to to Okay. End it all.
Speaker 1:So the the Necronomicon that is in evil the Evil Dead and Evil Dead Rise is technically the same Necronomicon that Ash used in the film series. It is separate from the the the television series, but I believe technically they try to
Speaker 2:I feel way more comfortable trying to build off of those.
Speaker 1:Right. And that's that's where I was gonna go. It's like, let's follow the book, not
Speaker 2:Ash. Okay.
Speaker 1:Let's make the the Evil Dead series as much as I and we can figure out a way to Mhmm. Get Bruce Campbell back into the mix if you want. But we could build the franchise separate from Ash, which is what they've just done of the the the
Speaker 2:The the past couple movies.
Speaker 1:Couple have been
Speaker 2:Right. Because right. Because the the evil dead, it had it had a stinger of Ash saying groovy Groovy. Which right. That that suggests he would be in the next one, but it doesn't necessarily guarantee it because well, it it it doesn't guarantee it.
Speaker 2:And then evil dead rise happens, and that was that we are we are recording. And that I lost my train of thought. So in Evil Dead Rise, the backstory provided is a bunch of monks got the book.
Speaker 1:And it was a sec it was a separate book.
Speaker 2:Oh, it was a
Speaker 1:separate Yeah. Was that that Perfect. Yeah. Because they there there's two Necronomicon or three. There might be three.
Speaker 1:I can't this my lore for Evil Dead is is slight. So if I remember correctly, the neck or not
Speaker 2:That's another thing. I wanna do a a a franchise you have more No.
Speaker 1:That's okay. Because I like the army Okay. I Army darkness was the first one I saw.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:And so I was already on board with time traveling King Arthur at night in Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court style of of this. And I was like, this is great. This let me watch more of these. And then I watched Evil Dead one. Was
Speaker 2:like, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then I watched Evil Dead two, I was like, ah, split the difference. Okay. So, like, I am a fan of the of the series. And I I didn't love the Evil Dead, but I really like Evil Dead Rise.
Speaker 2:It was
Speaker 1:the Right. Right amount of awful fun.
Speaker 2:Interestingly, I I wanted I liked Evil Dead Rise, but I didn't like it as much as I thought I was going to. Yeah. And I I think I know why. I have horror movies are the one venue where you don't have to follow the rules of karmic justice. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But I like when they do. I it's like like, I'm not really explaining that. I like I like archetypes. Maybe I like formulas. Maybe that's the problem.
Speaker 2:I feel like that family didn't deserve what it got.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They definitely didn't deserve it.
Speaker 2:And it's it's not that most horror movies people don't necessarily deserve what they get. I'm explaining this terribly, and I just sound like I'm a big old party pooper about horror movies.
Speaker 1:It it was awful.
Speaker 2:Like, they I felt bad.
Speaker 1:They didn't deserve it. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 2:It it it didn't make me feel good in a horror movie way. Like, for example, the other evil deads did. Because the and the only prob quote, unquote problem with the the evil dead was it was trying to redo the original
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But sincerely. It it wasn't it it wanted to be like, no. We can be a horror franchise. We're gonna be a cabin in the woods, bloody horror franchise. We're not gonna do tongue in cheek jokes.
Speaker 2:We're not gonna they they
Speaker 1:tried launching the slapstick.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They tried launching that, and it it it didn't go over super great.
Speaker 1:Which is the Evil Dead Rise is so dark, dark, darkly funny. Like, it's it is it is funny in some sort of really awful ways. Yeah. Which I'm I'm okay with.
Speaker 2:I know know what it is that bothers me is the mother gets turned. She wasn't involved or aware at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah. She was completely innocent. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And you can you could say that about some of the other movies, but I I feel like it's it's deserved is the wrong word, but it it it just it feels more aligned with with, like, okay. All of these kids are at this cabin. Mhmm. Or or the second one, his girlfriend is there at this cabin.
Speaker 2:She's a unwitting but knowing participant. Like, it's it's it's not unfair is is a weird way to put it. But army of darkness, the the princess, she's sort of a part of the whole thing. So when she gets turned, it's a part of it.
Speaker 1:It's just the
Speaker 2:It's it's like Yeah. The the mom. She was so nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It's it's sad. It's sad. That is a level of horror that the that that movie managed to capture where it's like none of these people deserve this at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it and there's three books. Because there's three books on the altar and army of darkness. Yeah. There's three Necronom accounts.
Speaker 2:Sure. I that might be why they were playing I think that was the idea that they were playing with. Yeah. But, no, but the thing is two them
Speaker 1:are fake.
Speaker 2:On yeah. That's the thing. Yeah. You know, army of darkness.
Speaker 1:Because one tries to eat them.
Speaker 2:One tries to yeah. It flies around and and tries to eat them, and the other is a hole Mhmm. That sucks them in and gives them a long face. Why the long face?
Speaker 1:So there's only the one real one, but it is the suggestion that there's there's more than one book, at least in the Raimi movies.
Speaker 2:Is is there?
Speaker 1:Well, that that's
Speaker 2:I didn't think that I didn't think there was a suggestion that there was more than one until Evil Rise.
Speaker 1:No. Because having the three books on the altar, even even though they're two of them are fake.
Speaker 2:And They're not just fake. They're they're not books.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't know. I guess maybe I'm splitting hairs on what what that suggests. Anyway, it's it's more or less, like, if we want to do this
Speaker 2:he with was there, and he was there to get Right. The real Necronomicon.
Speaker 1:Which he took back with him.
Speaker 2:That was the third book. And and the thing is before he grabbed it, he had to say the three words.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. But the the did the TV show stick to that that there's one, or did this TV show show did the TV show suggest that there's more than one copy around?
Speaker 2:There is one. And at a certain point, it is destroyed, And it basically writes it rewrites itself on the skin of Pedro.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Okay.
Speaker 2:It's it's awesome, basically. It's it's so good. It's so it's so dang good.
Speaker 1:Well, the the in evil dead rise because of so that's Lee Cronin directed that. And he's
Speaker 2:No. Evil dead rise was Fede.
Speaker 1:No. No. Fede Alvarez did the evil dead. He did? The one where it rains blood in 2000 Oh, I thought thousand thirteen.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought he did the the the one in the
Speaker 1:The most recent one.
Speaker 2:The apartment building.
Speaker 1:No. Ferreira Alvarez did that that one. And that one that one's so stand alone. It doesn't contradict anything that happened in the evil dead movies before it, but does kinda stand alone because it
Speaker 2:it Yeah. You one could because of when it takes place, one could
Speaker 1:They coaxed.
Speaker 2:Presume it's the actually, it's a it is suggested that it's the same cabin.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah. It's it the there's nothing that contradicts the ones before it, so they can exist together up to that
Speaker 2:point. I I believe so.
Speaker 1:In 2023, The Evil Dead Rise, that's Lee Cruman, he he confirmed that there was more than one book, that the book in Rise
Speaker 2:That was how he got a copy of it under this building in the city.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he he I I thought that was a a a convention. That's not the word. The
Speaker 1:the reason he could the
Speaker 2:The thing that was made for that movie.
Speaker 1:The contrivance.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Contrivance. That was the word. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The reason he try that that that second book is underneath the building and that and that canonically, there's three out there. I swear Sam Raimi said that confirmed there's three. The reason he did that was to build into the lore sounds familiar. To build into the lore why the deadites act differently through the course of the franchise because each book would do something slightly different. Like, he he wanted to plant that there's other there's at least the three books exist
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:That the effects of the deadites can be different in each each installment, whatever he does. So do you we do you wanna keep talking evil dead? Do you wanna try to build this out? We can move to something like pumpkin head if you want.
Speaker 2:No. No. No. I I actually know even less about pumpkin head. I like where this conversation is going.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Okay. Then so the first book is in this cabin in Michigan.
Speaker 1:So it's empty. We have five and we have five movies already. Because if we count the three of El Dared with Ash and then so we have five movies to exist in this universe.
Speaker 2:So the the the original well known copy is in a cabin in Michigan. Mhmm. Right? That that's even if I remember Evil Dead Rise, we get an opening where they're in the cabin and the
Speaker 1:That's where she finds the damn thing.
Speaker 2:Yes. She
Speaker 1:no. No. She uses she gets there with the with she because the girl who goes on the trip Yeah. Is in is more or less infected as she leaves leaves for the trip.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But she didn't have the book with her.
Speaker 1:I don't think so. I don't remember her having it with her.
Speaker 2:It was gonna go real well with us just going on what we
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Also, there's there's a there's a hiccup here. If if we do pursue this with all these five movies in canon, where do we place the other five movies around it?
Speaker 2:Oh, after.
Speaker 1:Okay. So we're we're just gonna build
Speaker 2:continue to We're gonna So my thought, I wanted to I wanted to to verify where the two books were Okay. And and and sort of the timeline because if we're gonna do this Mhmm. We I think the next movie, we need to go to the third book. Okay. So we get to decide where that third book is.
Speaker 1:Okay. Alright. So where are the books? We have there's one in Michigan. Where where take okay.
Speaker 2:They were in a city. It might have been New York. I know. When there's a city, it's usually New York.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the if we if we take the show out of it, because that's the only thing I haven't seen, so that's good. The first book Ash's book is in Evil Dead Evil Dead two, and it's found in a cabin, and that unleashes the deadites. Right? Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And then army of darkness, Ash discovers three books at the altar, but only one is the real one. Right? And he takes that back to darkness, the book
Speaker 2:Okay. So if we're gonna try to yeah. So oh. That means the third one, if we want to honor that, if we wanna do the original thing you were saying
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That means the other book is with ash below because that was in England. So it's buried with him in England until the future.
Speaker 1:Well, no.
Speaker 2:Until the end of the world.
Speaker 1:That's we should honor the theatrical ending, which
Speaker 2:is Okay.
Speaker 1:He makes it back home, but he leaves the book behind.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That yeah. Yeah. Okay. I don't we don't know for sure because he's just he's telling the story at work.
Speaker 1:It's let's let us let's go off of, like, my memory yes. Could be an unreliable narrator. Let's take it for his word as it is. Sure. The book is buried under a castle in London.
Speaker 2:I should rewatch evil dead rise.
Speaker 1:Okay. So one that's that's Ash's book. Ash's book is underneath a castle in London. Sure. Okay.
Speaker 1:So then from Evil Dead, the main character's name, it's something like oh, actually, you know what? I'm gonna I'm gonna admit something to you to you, Jim.
Speaker 2:Uh-oh. This
Speaker 1:is a the main character of Evil Dead's name is Maya, and that is why I selected it for our our character's name in the demon detective. So she discovered the book in in the creepy cabin.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So that means that has to be a second book. That's not the original book.
Speaker 1:Yeah. She that that's the deadites are summoned during the weekend there, and by the end, she survives. The book isn't destroyed. It rains blood for, like, fifteen minute it rains blood very significantly in the movie. It's and I love that they did that in studio.
Speaker 1:It's awesome. But it's in the cabin still.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:She let she leaves it behind. So you got a castle under London and a castle or sorry. A book under a castle in London and a book in a cabin.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So that means the third book was the one found in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2:They're in Los Angeles? You found that? Okay. Sorry. I'm I'm I'm also trying to quickly find some crib notes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The kid found the bank the bank underneath the like, there was the earthquake, and then he found the
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. Because the earth well, I thought that's what was weird about the earthquake is because an earthquake shouldn't happen where they were.
Speaker 1:They were in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But they he finds the the bank vault underneath the apartment complex. Yes. So he that's the third book. So we can we can move the London book or the cabin book if you wanna do a movie about where is the I think we just stick with the London book and someone is trying to find it.
Speaker 2:Wait. London Cabin in Los Angeles. Right?
Speaker 1:Those are the three books.
Speaker 2:And the end of the sec or the end of Evil Dead Rise, the characters from that are going to that cabin. Like, wasn't the conceit of it that it was a prequel? Like, the whole movie actually took place before the opening?
Speaker 1:The yeah. Yeah. Because the opening shows the girl, like, like, over the lake, and then it flash we don't know it till the end of the movie Yeah. Because it's a cold open. And then the end of the movie, they've have the he finds it in the bank vault.
Speaker 1:He puts the vinyl records on that have all the priest talking, including a cam voice cameo by Bruce Campbell. Yeah. And then she basically gets infected and leaves for her cabin trip, that connects it to the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 2:But it leaves the record and all that stuff there.
Speaker 1:Underneath the collapsing apartment building. Yeah. So the there's the whereabouts of these three books. One under a castle that Ash left behind in dark ages. Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:Then one in the cabin, and then one underneath Los Angeles.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. So we know where all three are. We generally know the stories of all three.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Then so the evil dead is rising. Do we do an apocalypse story? Do we do the end of the world?
Speaker 1:I I okay. Let's let's okay. So for these five movies of canon, so we're looking at a sixth. If the results of that London situation this might cleave close to the show, but let's activate someone who's chosen to, like, I know what this is or I have some knowledge of this. We need to fight this.
Speaker 1:We need an Necronomicon.
Speaker 2:Only one chosen Mhmm. And it is Ash. Okay. Literally, it's it's in the Necronomicon. They show they tell us the story.
Speaker 2:Yeah. A man will rise who will be chosen and right? Like, he has the chainsaw hand and everything. Wow. So it it's ash.
Speaker 2:So he's he's the chosen one.
Speaker 1:Which means
Speaker 2:I think that's an army of darkness.
Speaker 1:Okay. I think you I don't remember that. Okay. So okay.
Speaker 2:It actually might even be an evil bed.
Speaker 1:If Karate Kid can do it, we can do it. We can make Ash part of the film series separate from
Speaker 2:the TV series. I don't think we need a chosen one. I don't wanna do a chosen one.
Speaker 1:Well, I I wasn't suggesting chosen one. Wasn't suggesting I was just saying that someone
Speaker 2:said some words that triggered me.
Speaker 1:Sorry, Jim. I'm saying we have someone who's like, we need to find a we need to fight these undead things. And through historical knowledge or whatnot, we need one of these books. And my studies have shown me that there's one underneath a castle in London. Go to that castle, the book is gone.
Speaker 1:Or that's the movie is that we have a haunted castle movie with zombies.
Speaker 2:I want here's here's the direction I'm thinking. We do Evil Dead Reign, and it is about the rise. Even though the previous one was called Rise
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Basically, we're gonna end the world. Okay. The dead, the deadites are going to end things because there isn't a chosen one. Mhmm. And that way with the movie we do after that, that will be the follow-up to oh, well, no.
Speaker 2:Because you didn't wanna bring him in right away. Basically, I was gonna say that's where sleepy Ash Shows wake up into the apocalyptic world.
Speaker 1:That's I mean, if you wanna determine the equation here, that's fine.
Speaker 2:Okay. How about this instead? So we're not to we're we don't do evil dead rain yet. Mhmm. We do another one.
Speaker 2:I actually think we follow we we yes. We have some researchers. We have some some people in the know. They go to Los Angeles and they pick up the the book and the recording from there.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:The thing is the dead are free. And so they can even have an encounter with the dead, like some remaining dead there in the building because it suggested that there was still evil
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Going on in that building.
Speaker 1:Collapsed. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do do some swallow your soul stuff, but they they get enough information that they need to follow this family. They they didn't all buy here. Where did they go? Mhmm. Because they they're they're they're touched by it.
Speaker 2:That's what's going to lead them out to Michigan.
Speaker 1:To the cabin.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, to to hear stories. Not necessarily that cabin. I'm thinking this is where they go and they meet Ash Williams, S Mart employee. Because because because you wanted to to have both endings of army of darkness
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes. Happen. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we need to get modern Ash involved first.
Speaker 1:Great. Yes. I agree. I agree.
Speaker 2:And I'm gonna do everything I can to not just do the TV show.
Speaker 1:Okay. And and I I had said this in while we were both talking at the same time, Karate Kid is currently coming out came out with Karate Kid Legends and ignored Cobra Kai. So I'm Sure. So it's like, okay. We're gonna ignore the TV show.
Speaker 1:The TV show can exist separate from the film franchise. So Evil Dead Ash versus Evil Dead still exists. Oh. Are you okay with that?
Speaker 2:Mostly. Like like, if if I could if I could really have my druthers, I would as well. But I don't know that I can do that.
Speaker 1:Then what's what we're gonna do? We're gonna take our five minute break right now. You can think about this. And I I've taken some notes for myself because I'm I'm approaching this from structure. I'm approaching this from Uh-huh.
Speaker 1:From a more objective point of view than you, which is fine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:This this will help us bounce back and forth. Let's take a quick break here so you can you can see if you can do some mental gymnastics to make this all work into one thing.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Okay. We'll be right back after these messages. Is this year back to the future?
Speaker 2:It might be. I I think I might not have even realized it. This this might be my Back to the Future.
Speaker 1:Right. Because it's it's a scenario of like, don't do this, but we're doing it. Yeah. We've committed to doing this at this point. We're nearly an hour into the episode.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:So here's thing. I because I have not seen the show, would I like to just if we can, and I was trying to sell that to you before, the show can exist independent of this film franchise. Okay. If that's okay. And Ash can have a canonical Ash in the movies.
Speaker 2:And a canonical Ash in the in the show.
Speaker 1:Series. Okay. If if you'll allow me to do this. Yeah. If there's a way for you to fold it all together, I'll I'll be perfectly content with that.
Speaker 1:But maintaining the five existing movies and moving to the six that you were suggesting that this new group of character and or characters, we could have two, three people that go and find Ash in
Speaker 2:Well, well, let's I guess, let's quickly sketch. We have five. We gotta make five more.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay. Let's quickly sketch them out. Okay. So I'm thinking 10 shouldn't be when the Ashes Ash timelines reconvene.
Speaker 1:I I actually have an idea of what
Speaker 2:we should then. Be nine.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say eight, but that's okay. Eight. Yeah. Oh, okay. You know what?
Speaker 1:Never mind. Let's make a nine. Let's make a net.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:That's okay. I just have a notion of how we can we can do this.
Speaker 2:Because so so my thought is
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah. Actually, I still have a title for it too.
Speaker 2:So we we technically if if we wanna take it as an as an official tease, we teased Ash at the end of the evil dead. Right. We then have evil dead rise. No. I don't think there was a stinger at
Speaker 1:all for that. No. I don't believe so.
Speaker 2:So then going into our sixth movie, our sixth movie I think should tie sort of tie these plots up. So with what you said that means there is an Ash in I believe it's Dearborn, Michigan.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:The last we saw of him was in 1992. He was working at Yeah. His with his boom stick on his back and his wooden hand. Because I think he had a I I think he he didn't have his his medieval, contrived bionic hand Right. There.
Speaker 2:I think that technically, he doesn't lose it. We don't know what happens to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. He he like, he's back at S Mart at the end of that movie. Yeah. I'll hail the king, baby.
Speaker 2:So
Speaker 1:A dead eye he kills a dead eye, kisses the girl.
Speaker 2:So what is he been up to for the last thirty years? The simplest answer is managing an S Mart.
Speaker 1:And the occasional thing that drew draws his attention.
Speaker 2:Okay. You think he still pays attention to
Speaker 1:to that kind of stuff? I I would even go so far as to say that he is aware of the events of the Evil Dead, but didn't get involved. Why? I I don't know.
Speaker 2:I can I can come up with it? Yeah. So so Ash canonically and by Bruce Campbell's own description Yeah. He is a buffoon.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2:Right? The the whole notion of Evil Dead and Evil Dead two, it's the same Ash. He is that much of a dummy that he would take his girlfriend back
Speaker 1:to the same cabin
Speaker 2:that this terrible stuff happened in.
Speaker 1:He's just a dumb dumb.
Speaker 2:Right? Like, he forgets three he can't remember three words.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I love it. And and I'm and I think that when this in in
Speaker 2:He's he's he's a classic himbo
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Is what
Speaker 1:he is. That's good. In the sixth movie, when they they reach him, when they they if this our cast of characters or trio or duo go to the cabin trying to trying to connect the dots, come across him, and he once they once they find out this guy exists and he enters the equation, we can have a moment of, like, well, what have you been doing for the past however many years and getting a montage of what an idiot he's been for? Like, oh, the occasion like, essentially, like, getting the history of Ash crammed into a montage and seeing his brief moments of intersection with deadites or supernatural things. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1:We we still need to maintain the the character's core so that we don't get a Last Jedi situation here and piss people off. Like, I don't want him to be he's given up. It's just, oh, I never thought to chase it down.
Speaker 2:Sure. Because he doesn't. It comes to him.
Speaker 1:Right. And so when it rained blood that
Speaker 2:one in the book as the one who will defeat the the the evil.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So when when when it rained blood a few years back,
Speaker 2:he he thought that weird. You want that to be a regional thing and not just a it took place over that over those woods?
Speaker 1:It took place within the scope of the cabin and whatnot. So, like yeah. So he was like, yeah. It rained blood. I thought that was pretty odd.
Speaker 1:Like, something like that. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So what you're well, I I suppose that is the place to do it. You're injecting the humor back in with ash. Yes. So that the the the humor follows ash.
Speaker 2:Okay. That that makes some sense.
Speaker 1:And I what I also would like is despite him being a bimbo, a himbo, and despite him sort of he doesn't actively chase this stuff, they are these two two, three characters are going to we we we're chasing this down. The the trouble that you have experienced that you're coming with us, whatever way they convince him to hit the road, he is fully capable of fighting. He is still the king. So, like, when it comes to fighting, I don't know how the show handled it, but I want him to still be like, he's not on the back foot. When he gets thrown into the mix, he's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:I remember how to do this shit. And it's all slapsticky. So
Speaker 2:to that end, I don't think he knows. I don't I like, as funny as that is, he doesn't know about the raining blood. He doesn't know about the cabin. He doesn't know because the people who were dealing with that, they were doing everything they could to suppress it. They're not like like whatever the the church of the area was.
Speaker 2:They're not doing anything to Yeah. They're they're doing everything they can to contain the
Speaker 1:To cover it up and contain. That's fine. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And and so I think Ash doesn't know about it. He only knows about when the deadites show up in his area.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. And then and he can kick their asses. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And and he's just, you know, he's aged, so he's not as capable as he once was, but he still can kick
Speaker 2:some Yeah.
Speaker 1:And he does it with a joke and a smirk and one liners and all that.
Speaker 2:But like the ash of of the previous movies so I'm
Speaker 1:not making him John Wick. I'm not making him John Wick, but.
Speaker 2:The way we're talking about this is, like, he actually gets introduced pretty early. I'm thinking we don't do that with Six. Six is mostly following these other people and somewhere in the second act
Speaker 1:Yes. That's
Speaker 2:is right. Where they encounter him Mhmm. And he denies the call. Okay. Right?
Speaker 2:He's like, no. I I I take care of what shows up on my doorstep. But if you're saying this is in Los Angeles, I this is bigger than me now.
Speaker 1:So I It's 2,000 some miles away.
Speaker 2:No. Thank you. This is on you. Okay. And they're like, fine.
Speaker 2:You're not the hero we thought you were. Mhmm. They have to go on their own way. Mhmm. So so we we've we've I mean, we can go back to him a couple times so that it it's not a literal deus ex machina.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. But basically, he's gonna I think he comes in at the very end of six and saves whoever's left.
Speaker 1:Sure. Sure.
Speaker 2:Right? So we have our gaggle of of researchers and they get they get picked off and die
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:As this movie goes. And at the end, Ash shows up
Speaker 1:I'm here to
Speaker 2:and he and he does the right Yeah. Yeah. Right?
Speaker 1:I'm here to save all of you. Well
Speaker 2:And and there's
Speaker 1:who's ever left. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So then in seven Wait.
Speaker 1:Wait. We will have I'm gonna name I'm gonna name six.
Speaker 2:K.
Speaker 1:Evil Dead Legends.
Speaker 2:Because that Isn't that the name of a video game?
Speaker 1:I don't care. We've done this before. And also yeah. It's so it's I'm not gonna call it Evil Dead Legacy. We already used that for Star Trek.
Speaker 2:Fair enough.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, Evil Dead Legends because they're following the legends of the deadites to narrow down where the books are and the legend of Ash returns.
Speaker 2:I'd I'd I'd I'll think about this for a while. I don't I don't need to think
Speaker 1:about it right now.
Speaker 2:That's fine.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, but getting him near the end there so that I'm here to save all of you. Well, whoever's left, he saves the day. And now we have our our
Speaker 2:Our six. Yeah. And and and our hero our hero is back.
Speaker 1:Okay. So then evil dead seven is evil dead reign?
Speaker 2:Evil dead reign and then sure.
Speaker 1:Okay. So what what do you imagine for seven? Do they hit the road to get to London, and then we can have our our European adventure of getting that book? Because
Speaker 2:The only thing I have in mind is, basically, this is the Empire Strikes Back. This is the the evil wins Mhmm. In the end here. Right? So because to make it match the other end of army of darkness Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Literally, the world is rubble and there's demons flying through the air and the sky is red.
Speaker 1:We have to get to that. I think I think that okay. So, yeah, they fail at the end of this so that eight, the the apocalypse has begun.
Speaker 2:Oh, I was thinking the apocalypse is done.
Speaker 1:By eight?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. I I the the reason is that I think if if if we're catching up to the other ash in nine
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:Then eight would destroy the whole.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So
Speaker 1:in seven, this is the collecting the books.
Speaker 2:So seven is evil dead worldwide?
Speaker 1:Well, was evil dead reign, but yeah.
Speaker 2:No. Evil Dead Reign is is the apocalypse.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay. I was that's the that's what you wanna name the last the last movie. Got it. Okay.
Speaker 2:Well, I wanna name the one where the Evil Dead take over the world Mhmm. As Evil Dead Reign or Evil Dead Reigns.
Speaker 1:Okay. So then
Speaker 2:Because they that's where they would.
Speaker 1:So then '8. Yep. Okay. Because 09/09 is when we're bringing other ash in, and I wanna call that one return of the army of darkness.
Speaker 2:Okay. No? No. That that that that's fine. Okay.
Speaker 1:That I mean, we don't need to argue about the names of these movies, but that
Speaker 2:My my concern is that that Cleave's a little too comedic, but it's fine.
Speaker 1:Okay. It won't be, though. What? It won't be.
Speaker 2:No. Return of the army of darkness? No. Yeah. Return
Speaker 1:of the army of darkness. Like, uh-huh. That's gonna be fun, and it's horrifying.
Speaker 2:I I was suggesting seven be
Speaker 1:Only innocent people die in that one.
Speaker 2:Oh oh, perfect. All through eye horror. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Mutilation of eyeballs.
Speaker 2:The eye deadites. Yeah. Yeah. The deadites.
Speaker 1:Sorry. So
Speaker 2:so I I it doesn't have to be my my notion for for seven is worldwide because they literally right? It's our it's our world hopping
Speaker 1:Evil dead worldwide. Ocean
Speaker 2:it's our ocean hopping adventure. We'd literally just
Speaker 1:So you're gonna call it one. Wanna call it Evil Dead Worldwide?
Speaker 2:That was the idea.
Speaker 1:I like the notion that they get to Europe. They they get to see the go back to the castle, and he's like, I've been here before. Yeah. We know. That's why we're here.
Speaker 2:Why wouldn't it have to end there if they meet him in
Speaker 1:If they meet him in six, then number seven takes them on the road. So, yeah, like, the climax of the movie should take place in seven in Europe somewhere at the castle to get
Speaker 2:the book. But if it's at the castle, that means they will have met Future Ash.
Speaker 1:Oh, because he comes out of the
Speaker 2:He comes out of the out of his Cucophagus or whatever. Yeah. With with the book.
Speaker 1:Okay. Then that then then they do not go to London in this one. They go to the London in the ninth one.
Speaker 2:Okay. Crap.
Speaker 1:So they go back to LA?
Speaker 2:Extra movie to well, hang on. Maybe not. Because they would have picked up everything they needed from LA. So so six six is traveling to Michigan. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Seven is we've gotten modern ash. And what do we do with him? Because if we're gonna if if we get both ashes in nine and they stop the end of the world
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Ten ten is cleaning it up?
Speaker 1:Well, no. Because the end of nine, he shows up and goes, I slept too long. And they catch up
Speaker 2:to him. Oh, you want that to be all the way at the end.
Speaker 1:Like, well, in nine, when when when that ash shows up
Speaker 2:Future Ash.
Speaker 1:Future Ash shows Then he shows up and it's an apocalyptic landscape. Yeah. And he's like, oh my god. So we have all that terrain to play in so that when if the movie starts with him, oh my god. I slept too too long.
Speaker 2:Oh, and then See, that's why I was saying eight was the apocalypse because then in nine, we they he they get him early and we get the whole movie with two ashes.
Speaker 1:I'm suggesting that for nine so that in 10, we we can end the series. They save the world. Okay. Like, nine that they they team up and we get a whole movie with, more or less, with the two ashes for the whole movie, and they have Yeah.
Speaker 2:You're
Speaker 1:all the pieces in place to complete the story.
Speaker 2:You're right.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then you got the the the death of the evil dead or whatever you wanna call it. That's good. Yeah. Death of the evil dead.
Speaker 1:So evil death six, seven is worldwide. Like, yeah, the question of, like, what to do with seven is the one of these should one of these can be, like, two like, almost tangential where it's like, do we wanna do any time trip time jumping in one of these? So that, like, if they if seven has some if seven jumps them, worldwide, but they're jumping through time or something like that where it's like deadites through different points in history that the Necronomicon or however it's being utilized.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. That was the thing you wanted to
Speaker 1:Well, I'm just suggesting it. To to play with the fun that the Marvel comic did where he's jumping through and trying to chase the through time and space, we could do that with one of these movies where we spend so, like, use using a time turner in one book and destroying it in the next so you never have to have a time turner again situation where it's like, if whatever villain we craft for, say, the seventh movie, if that if they hit the road in there, if I don't know if if they hit the road and they are trying to, like, pick off pockets of deadites and, like, there's there's other action happening here we can't account for and then send them through time and space in the eighth one and then lock that up to to have a I don't know. I it's it's Yeah. Multiverse time travel stuff, and, like, I don't know if that's played out at point. I just like the notion of of Ash versus the evil dead in different time periods.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Alternatively, the reason the world come comes to an end is that all time and space collapsing on each other and and portals open and freaking cowboys and and vikings and everything are spilling through. I don't know. I'm what do you got?
Speaker 2:Okay. So $6.06 is them, going to Michigan, getting slaughtered. Ash joins at the very end.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Seven, eight, and probably most of nine is shenanigans. It's a which is which is a terrible way to describe a whole bunch of movies. But so seven
Speaker 1:Ash and team.
Speaker 2:Call it. Well, now that we have Ash I mean, technically, everyone should be questionably disposable. Mhmm. Then to do this, then we basically have three to to three and a half movies to play with jumping around. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And and why do we and why do we do so?
Speaker 1:And lean more to the horror of this than the I think the the witty one liner should break tension rather than this turn into a slapstick comedy. I still want some slapstick in just how Bruce Campbell would play this, but I think that it's better to Yeah. Make this an un upsetting, unsettling horror franchise and that happens to have comedic moments in it. So having them shenanigating their way through seven and eight and then eventually nine meeting you call them future ash?
Speaker 2:That, just to differentiate it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:We have we have ash and then future ash.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, like, evil dead worldwide are on the road trying to collect they're they're MacGuffin ing around the world or at least to five to seven locations and and giving us a globetrotting adventure horror horror movie.
Speaker 2:So so what I'm struggling like like, we can get there, but having it happen in act one of the seventh movie feels contrived.
Speaker 1:Having It feels Having what happened?
Speaker 2:An event that causes us to traipse
Speaker 1:Pain traipse
Speaker 2:through the Sure. Timeline.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's fine. We don't we let's not do that in the seventh movie. The seventh movie could just be, let's set the status quo of this team and what they do. This could be drawing some inspiration from what the show was, which, as I understand, was a roadshow.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right. Okay. That's that's basically what this seventh movie can be is, you know, the hit the road and and tackle problems as they come or as they seek them out? With a crossover with the Winchesters from no.
Speaker 1:Well,
Speaker 2:I'll I guess I'll I'll say the things I'm I'm thinking because I'm I'm not sure where to go with it. In the in the first act, something happens to the Necronomicon that like in army of darkness, the the the evil showed up and sucked ash through time.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking something similar happens and it sucks up the Necronomicon. Mhmm. Like, they the our protagonists have realized they need that book to stop all this. They need to go Yeah. Somewhere.
Speaker 2:Don't know where. Maybe it doesn't matter where. We need to go back to where this all started, which technically is where we're currently ending six. Right. So they start there.
Speaker 1:Well, according to Evil Dead Rise, it started much further than that because those vinyls were created in Mexico Mexico with an economic on. So we could we could head south. If it's we need to go where this all started. Ash goes, I know exactly where that cabin is. I've always wanted to burn it down.
Speaker 1:Let's go. No. No. No. No.
Speaker 1:It didn't start there. That's just where the book ended up. We need to go where it started or at least as far back as our research has taken us. We're going to Mexico. I don't have a passport.
Speaker 1:Ash. Something like that?
Speaker 2:Maybe. Sure.
Speaker 1:Anyway, you would suggest it and we need to go back where we started.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Why? Basically, my thought and it it's it ends up being just a video game plot, But the the Nachronomicon gets launched back in time and torn apart. So that's why they end up having to go to different time Okay. Times, different realities to put together the different parts of it.
Speaker 1:Piece it back together. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that is more of a video game than a movie. Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, no. This might be futzing with cannibal. Let's try this. The notion that the next atomic kind gets shredded and spread and sprinkled through and now they have to, like, collect the artifacts, that could be the realization of, like, oh, the LA book is actually pieces of this the of of the alpha book that Okay. Ash had.
Speaker 1:Or or okay. We we we had already discussed this, and I'm I'm blanking. Where did we say the three books are?
Speaker 2:LA, Michigan, and England.
Speaker 1:Okay. Because Ash, yeah, Ash lost that. Okay. So the LA book is different than the Michigan book. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So they have two books.
Speaker 2:Oh, you wanna say that they are, like, literally written different? That they Yeah. I guess, right, because you said that was the notion. That's why the deadites behave differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So then the LA book, and then they collect the one in Dearborn. So now they have two books. If one of them gets torn asunder I I'm removing my notion that the that the LA book is actually the recreated alpha book that got shredded. I'm taking that off the off the table.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Having having one of the books get yanked away, and then they can use the existing book to try to track it down, but that means reading passages from it, which is like, listen, this is a this is a this is a a problem. Oh, We need to I use the book to get the other books, and when we use the book, bad things happen. Yeah. So it's sort of like, how do we how do we use this weapon effectively?
Speaker 1:It's gonna fuck us every time.
Speaker 2:No. I like this. Okay. I like that. Yep.
Speaker 2:I'm in.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the May one of the books gets yanked and now
Speaker 2:it's like And they're using the other book and its ability to connect to it Mhmm. To to use it and and the rituals in it, the incantations in it Yeah. To follow Yeah. It through time.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The well, not not through time. Not through time and space. Through through the where the countries, like,
Speaker 2:Oh, I no. I don't I'd I'd rather just start jumping to time and space.
Speaker 1:Okay. Yeah. Okay. Right in the the act one.
Speaker 2:I realized that that might be overdoing time and space. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Well, if the if if they if the so try to treat this like Mission Impossible. So Tom Cruise discussed this with Macquarie. Whatever your MacGuffin is, the MacGuffin should be solved by the end of the movie regardless of whether or not you plan a sequel. So, like, seven, they they got the key. The end.
Speaker 1:MacGuffin for the next movie, use the key. Whatever. So with this, if the the catalyst of the first act, we've hit the road, we see it cold open, they've been doing this for a few months to a a year or so, the book gets yanked. The only choice we have is to use the second book to find the first one. Here we go.
Speaker 1:We cross the threshold into the action of this, which is popping us through, popcorning us to collect the pieces through time. By the end of the movie, they've gotten the second book back, and they're back to the main return.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying. Okay. Then let's do a road movie.
Speaker 1:Okay. So before instead of popping through time, you're Yeah. You're saying road.
Speaker 2:Okay. So right. So the road movie is we need to go to Mexico. Yeah. And and maybe maybe it's more than that.
Speaker 2:Maybe they get to Mexico, and then they have to ping pong over somewhere else because that's not where the books were actually created and bound. The Maybe they were created and bound somewhere else.
Speaker 1:Here here's here's just a some okay. So they the where the book a we have book we knew the book was in four places. Right? So, like, they know there's they can assume there's one in the castle, blah blah blah. Okay.
Speaker 1:So when they the book gets yanked and they start using the exist the existing book to track it down, they go from a to b to c to d, and then they realize it's a pentagram, like a pentacle.
Speaker 2:I like that notion. It's it's not that they're using this book like a compass. Like, book's over here now. My thought is we need to go to where they were created to be able to go find that the
Speaker 1:Yeah. But once they get to the point where it's created, they have to utilize the existing book to to
Speaker 2:Oh. Oh, I I I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1:I just want the thread of that book to be real, they have to use it. It's like we have no choice. Getting here didn't do it. There's only one thing we have that can help us find where to go to next and it's this goddamn book.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. No. I guess my thought was one of the characters that the whatever professorial character has the book and they're the one who's been entrusted to read through it to find answers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just don't read it out loud.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that.
Speaker 2:And and they're reading through it for for most of this and we see them getting corrupted. They may not be saying this stuff out loud.
Speaker 1:It's this guy was bit by the zombie and didn't tell anyone. Hey. Pretty much.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. But the difference is they told him to.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You guys told me to do this.
Speaker 2:So that way, when they finally get to McGuffin location
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:They're like, okay. Let's do the thing. And he basically like like turns on them and casts them into time and space.
Speaker 1:So the okay. So the the climax of this is so that the next movie is them? Yeah. Okay. So, yes, but getting getting that climax go like, if they hit three locations or whatnot, they move to move to move.
Speaker 1:And then our character who's been corrupting the whole movie lives up to lives up to the promise of what we've seen as the audience the whole time. They have a a battle with him. I I don't want this to just be a to be continued. Let's there should be some victories. Think of, like
Speaker 2:Have you not watched the Evil Dead movies?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Evil Dead two was a to be continued. He was sucked through a portal.
Speaker 1:You are right.
Speaker 2:And then Okay. This is army of darkness wasn't quite a to be continued, but it was a very soft closure.
Speaker 1:There's more to come. Okay. Yeah. Then never mind. The having having them have a big badass fight at the end, but it ends with them getting ripped out
Speaker 2:of time. At least Ash. We we don't have we we haven't named any other cast members. Yeah. Frankly, the the TV show introduces characters that I'm so glad it did and I love following.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. But I think I think Ash getting new companions pretty much every chapter once Ash is back in, which is immediate almost immediate in our next movie.
Speaker 1:So we get to spend two movies with this new crew and then if
Speaker 2:sort of. We in six, most of our new crew, I'm thinking six. That's a good number. That's my favorite number. Six people.
Speaker 2:At the end of six, when Ash shows up to save them, he saves two one, maybe two. Right. So then we have these three, Ash and two people And then going going through seven. Maybe they pick up one or two more people Sure. Go through seven.
Speaker 2:At the end of that, one one of the original two has turned evil. Mhmm. So he doesn't count as part of our group.
Speaker 1:Right. Good. Good.
Speaker 2:He's actually a big bad that won't be around for seven, but will be around for eight and and Will
Speaker 1:bring him back. Yeah. They the fight at the end, there could be a moment. And I know lean to the horror, but we're gonna keep playing with the the the ashness of this of, like, why won't you die? It's a thing I do.
Speaker 1:Fight. Fight. Fight. If if Ash is able to save one of these characters and then I just want a heroic ending to this movie before he's sent off to the to be continued.
Speaker 2:Wait. Which one?
Speaker 1:Seven, the road movie. Or the So
Speaker 2:oh, so he's well, not okay. So at the end of at the end of the road movie
Speaker 1:Mhmm. He's
Speaker 2:sent away. Guy gets corrupted Yep. Opens a portal to to to banish them all away. Yep. Ash is one that goes, I think if we have one, two, three.
Speaker 2:If we pick up man, I like big casts. If we pick up three more people, two two can die Mhmm. Before two can die before the end. One can die basically, I I imagine in that in the in that the the portaling away
Speaker 1:Yeah. The climax of the movie.
Speaker 2:One person gets killed
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Trying to defend someone else. Another person gets killed by the portal thing opening Yep. And someone can make it through the portal with Ash.
Speaker 1:Okay. Alright.
Speaker 2:So it's Ash and someone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. One of the one of the characters gets through. Okay. Cool.
Speaker 2:They they're they're very likely not gonna make it through the next one.
Speaker 1:Sure. Okay. So that's now the path of the evil dead because Oh,
Speaker 2:that's not bad.
Speaker 1:So we move into eight. Now eight, the time of the evil dead or
Speaker 2:Past lives.
Speaker 1:Evil dead past lives? Yeah. Evil dead past lives. Okay. And this is going to
Speaker 2:be That well, that's my first notion. It but that that suggests we have to do everything in the past. I do know that I I don't know. I believe one of the stories in Ash versus the Army of Darkness comics, he goes into, like, a Tron like future.
Speaker 1:Isn't there a crossover with Escape from LA in one of his adventures too? Maybe. Maybe.
Speaker 2:He had a lot of
Speaker 1:There's a Freddy and Jason crossover ones.
Speaker 2:That's that's that's the other reason I'm I'm really kinda wanting to I I I'm glad you brought back up the the jumping around. Mhmm. Because if we can do a montage of a number of different places
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And one of them that he gets dropped into is a Freddie and Jason
Speaker 1:Yes. Scene. Oh my god. That'd
Speaker 2:be That's just just a quick cameo. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The Deadpool Wolverine.
Speaker 2:Sees a knife glove and a and a hockey mask.
Speaker 1:It's the Wolverine montage.
Speaker 2:Kind of.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Destiny of the Evil Dead? Time of the evil dead? You said what did you say?
Speaker 2:I said past lives.
Speaker 1:Past lives.
Speaker 2:Less less of a turning it into a sentence.
Speaker 1:Lives of the evil dead?
Speaker 2:These are the days These are days of our evil dead. These are the days of the army of darkness.
Speaker 1:The old dead past life is good. And then so this is popcorn and
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so we just.
Speaker 2:So the notions that are like, right, we're we're we're doing real broad brushes here.
Speaker 1:Well, we have to. We have trying to do 10 movies and we're In like
Speaker 2:in like twenty minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Not even.
Speaker 2:So so the types of places we pop to, right, we'll do an old west. We don't do a medieval. Maybe do like a caveman.
Speaker 1:Now the the
Speaker 2:Where where we do like a caveman one where it's ash trying to get the book away from from like a caveman and we're gonna ignore reality and also there's a bunch of raptors.
Speaker 1:It's Ash Jurassic Park.
Speaker 2:Like Yeah.
Speaker 1:Basically Yeah. Basically. We wanna pop him into every movie franchise we can. Sort of. This a horror franchise or we No.
Speaker 1:Adventure in it this Ash,
Speaker 2:so it's a lit it's it's he's a himbo, so it's a little more adventure. Yeah. Well, at this point, we are we're definitely in army of the darkness. Army of darkness tone.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The this eighth movie is going to be much more adventure fun than horror. But
Speaker 2:to that end, every place he pops, at least when we spend a significant amount of time there
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:An evil ash is formed. Oh. Right? So in in the first two movies
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He lost his hand Mhmm. To the evil. An army of darkness, a like like, literally an evil ash burst out of him like a Siamese twin Mhmm. That he had to kill. I'm think what occurs to me in a in a western one is literally a reflection in a window as he's going walking through a ghost town at night or something like that.
Speaker 2:His reflection in a window turns and looks him like becomes real or a or a mirror or something. Right? Because in army of darkness, it wasn't just the the eye appearing on his shoulder and becoming evil ash. There was also all the little homunculi ashes that attacked him in the the windmill. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I I wanna do that in each place he goes, he gets cloned somehow. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Oh, dude. Yes.
Speaker 2:Is is my idea.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I love this. So he's he's basically sprinkling time and space with ashes in Yeah. Inadvertently. What's our what's the main goal here?
Speaker 1:Is it it's to get him back to main time?
Speaker 2:Yeah. To catch back up to point, he's chasing the book. Yeah. Because the the first place he gets flung to, it it can be like, oh, not again. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right? And and he can be there and he can have heard about this book. And he's like, I gotta get the book again. When he goes to get the book, like the book is more animated and active itself or or maybe it's it's possessing other people there.
Speaker 1:This is the book that the guy is
Speaker 2:jumping through portals to get.
Speaker 1:This is the book that corrupted our character at the end of seven so that that's what the little victory is that Ash got pulled through, he takes the book with him?
Speaker 2:No. This is the the this is the other book, the book that they were going
Speaker 1:to The one that got snatched away.
Speaker 2:Got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay. Great. Great. And so he's
Speaker 2:The the so this would be the Michigan book.
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 2:And he's The the it was the LA book that corrupted our guy and is still in modern days.
Speaker 1:Got it. And so he's he's chasing the MacGuffin through portals.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:The the solution of this is he finally catches it and gets back to Yeah. Present day? Okay. So in this, though, there it needs to be a little bit more than just vignette after vignette. If you think Deadpool Wolverine's a great example of we can have fun with that to a point, but then there has to be a clear cut.
Speaker 1:We gotta get from here to here and then here. Like, the the
Speaker 2:Sure. And the I'd so what pops in my head, the reason so those are the those are the things that happen in the movie. The the story of the movie. The the the theme, why is this happening? Why are we watching this?
Speaker 2:What the book is doing the book is trying to get away from him because he's the chosen one destined to defeat it. Yeah. But also what the book is trying to do is to show him all of these other times and realities. In fact, so I know I I I said I want there to be a reflection of him where there's an evil one. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:But if you wanted to also have it be like Ash versus army of dark Ash versus Marvel zombies where there is an Ash there, like so to be more definitively jumping realities, not just through time Yeah. There can be an Ash there that the point is he fails. Mhmm. He fails and he dies. You see ash, you're always gonna lose.
Speaker 2:You should just give up. Walk away. I'll let you walk away. You can you can be alive. You can have whatever you want.
Speaker 2:Just let let the deadites have Yeah. Have the world.
Speaker 1:So then it's a question of destiny. It's like, do I Sure. Yeah. Do I do I do what I'm told or not do what I do? Like like
Speaker 2:Do I do what's easy or do I do
Speaker 1:What's right.
Speaker 2:What's right. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And and having and if that that ability to travel through time and space to get other dimensions so we can get a Freddie versus Jason moment, we can actually I think it'd be per kinda cool to have a just a brief moment of crossing over with Ash versus the Evil Dead. Like, show like, he hits that show reality.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Do do more multiverse traveling than doctor Strange, please. Wait. Who am I begging that to? We're writing this thing.
Speaker 1:Jim, please. Yeah. Yeah. And then him choosing, no. I'm I'm not gonna run anymore.
Speaker 1:I've been I in fact, I've wait. I haven't been running. I've been running at this the entire time. I'm I am embrace I've already I've inadvertently embraced my destiny. I am chasing this thing.
Speaker 1:I am living up to the promise of the hero I'm alleged to be, like, embracing his his calling, so that when he finally does get the book, does he say the words right and then zaps back to present day where we where he was initially left off but time has passed? Because then we can advance the timeline a little bit and have a little destruction as we get to
Speaker 2:No. I think in well, either one of the other ashes actually says the words right or an evil ash says the words right. Yeah. Either way, whoever does it gets killed after the portal opens Yeah. But before they can do anything.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so ash in the book gets sucked back to modern reality Mhmm. By the proper words, not said by our Ash.
Speaker 1:Because he wouldn't do it right then no matter how many chances
Speaker 2:he And would
Speaker 1:when he returns in the brief time he was gone, he discovers, like, he back in the temple that he left in because
Speaker 2:that that's eight. Right?
Speaker 1:Yep. And back in the temple that he he left in, in the brief time he was gone in this little hop Okay. The spread of our evil main character our evil character who is corrupted by the book has already begun to destroy the world. Because now we're entering movie nine where the world
Speaker 2:This is and this is Evil Dead Reigns.
Speaker 1:This is this is no. I thought that's what you wanted to name the last one. No. Evil Dead Reigns? Okay.
Speaker 1:Then, yeah, I
Speaker 2:Evil Dead Reigns is the Infinity War Got it. Okay. Of of the franchise.
Speaker 1:And this is where future ads catches up? Is where okay. We So alright. Yeah. Wanted to call I wanted to call it return to the army of darkness.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 1:You you called the last movie Evil Dead Reigns. Where are you?
Speaker 2:I'm trying to figure out that well, not because
Speaker 1:I've been taking notes. So
Speaker 2:thought thought Ash future Ash returns for the end. Right?
Speaker 1:I I thought you wanted him in movie nine and ten. You're just wanting him for 10?
Speaker 2:You convinced me to have it be the last one because if we have modern Ash and future Ash teaming up Yeah. To stop the apocalypse
Speaker 1:I had said
Speaker 2:what's after that?
Speaker 1:Well, I had suggested that they meet in nine, like Infinity War style, and then defeat everything in 10. So we get two movies with them. It doesn't have to be that. I that was just my suggestion minutes back that I'd said that, the cold open to nine is I slept too long and then meeting the ash that we've just gone these these
Speaker 2:We don't have to have one called evil dead rains. I do like the idea of the last one being called evil dead ends.
Speaker 1:Evil dead ends? Evil dead ends. Yeah. That's good.
Speaker 2:Although, it should probably be called evil dead x. Right? Because that was the whole
Speaker 1:It doesn't have
Speaker 2:to be. Demand.
Speaker 1:Evil We can just put an x behind it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Because it's like a dead end, an
Speaker 2:x. Alright. Yeah. So so nine can be the evil dead return of the army of darkness.
Speaker 1:Oh. Yeah. The evil dead return of the army of darkness. But yeah. So he succeeds with his time hopping dimension time space hopping.
Speaker 1:He gets back. The crumbling of society has begun. So then when nine begins, we can pass some more time so that it's the world is falling apart so that when future Ash catches
Speaker 2:up Is this another road movie where it's Ash having to go to England? Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think this is this is where
Speaker 2:knows he has to find the other Ash. He knows he has to he knows he has to find the the third book.
Speaker 1:Yes. And he knows where it is. He finally can put his smarts to use. He's like, you know, now that I think about it. Or they've deciphered that's where it
Speaker 2:was. Not even necessarily yeah. Like like, there's no reason that he he would have necessarily forgotten him. Like, hey. Where hey, Ash.
Speaker 2:Three movies ago, where is the book? Yeah. I don't know. Three movies. Oh, I just remembered.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:And they and our researchers could have figured that out anyway. Or or maybe
Speaker 2:even Even when he shows up, could be like, Ash, we've been looking. Where do you know where the the third book is? Mhmm. And he could be like, yeah. It's in England where I left it when I
Speaker 1:In the dark ages. Yeah. I left it in the past.
Speaker 2:When I left it with all the
Speaker 1:A really
Speaker 2:What no. What does he call them? Primitive Listen up. Listen up, you oh, my god. Everyone everyone say the quote at the same time.
Speaker 2:Listen up, you primitive screw heads.
Speaker 1:I left it in the dark ages. The limit with the
Speaker 2:With those primitive screw heads.
Speaker 1:Yet time progressed.
Speaker 2:And and so it would have been yeah. So it's it's where I left it. It's in England.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So then movie nine can start with our cold open of
Speaker 2:It's the to it's a road movie through the apocalypse?
Speaker 1:Kinda. Like, the as the world is currently falling apart, and he gets and he makes his way to London. Let's get to Europe as fast as possible so
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:The majority of the movie takes place in the fallout of
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Oh, perfect. No. Great. Yes.
Speaker 2:I know he's already killed him, like, twice. We can have evil Ash, like, the the the original evil Ash from the army of darkness come back so we can get his bone sword and his bone helmet and bone armor and all
Speaker 1:So then future Ash can use that and Ash Prime can be so now we got these two Ashes. One's young.
Speaker 2:But but but well, I'm what I'm saying is because it's return of the army of darkness Yeah. We can play on we can we can kind of revisit all of the the tropes and characters from
Speaker 1:Army of darkness.
Speaker 2:Army of darkness.
Speaker 1:I and also, I think what do you think of this? Not just that, like, bring back some of those, but also we just spread ashes all across time and space. There's an army of dead right there. We don't have to have all of them, but he just I'm I I Okay. Sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Having having some of them pop back up because even though he moved through time space or whatnot, there could be So
Speaker 2:almost almost do a a two towers kind of movie where we get to England fast enough but the whole thing is this is a siege.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And we're the the siege will be against an army of darkness. I've I've fought one of those before. Not like this you have.
Speaker 1:This one's so much more handsome than what you would think it's gonna be.
Speaker 2:And so then we can have all the deadites as they were. Right? The the army of skeletons Mhmm. Along with the the the flying demons. But then we also get revisitations as portals open from his traipsing through time space.
Speaker 2:So them popping in.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1:So so we have ourselves a Two Towers Battle of Helm's Deep Yeah. Two Ashes and whoever the hell he recruited in this movie.
Speaker 2:How do we go full a full not and not Two Towers, but a full Return of the King where, like, they get a ghost army of Eric the I think it was Eric the Red
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Shows up with as ghosts Maybe. To help fight along with I don't think his name was Merlin, but I'm just gonna call him Merlin.
Speaker 1:Whatever we do, we do have to top in the tenth movie. Just bear that in mind. I don't know how we end this year, but this this was the whole this is what we were all leading up to is is this moment right here. So having having them succeed the battle but not win the war, having a Helm's Deep type
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Yeah. So so
Speaker 1:So evil dead evil dead ends.
Speaker 2:Oh, then no. I wanna save the traipsing guys for the last one.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Okay. So then return the army of darkness. Revisit skeletons.
Speaker 2:We just revisit army of darkness tropes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So then
Speaker 2:Evil windmill. Yeah. Many ashes. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:The hand.
Speaker 2:And and evil and evil ash.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Have having that be the main battle for
Speaker 2:The the evil that return the have a ghost or two. Maybe it even doesn't necessarily have to be the ghost like we could even like, they're trying to use magic through time to help us here in the future. I don't know what this voice is.
Speaker 1:It sounds just like whoever it's
Speaker 2:supposed to be. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But our our heroes win a great loss. Yep. The apocalypse is all around us.
Speaker 2:Ash has two books.
Speaker 1:Yep. The third book Now
Speaker 2:he has to find or he has to go to that third book. Yeah. Maybe it's very
Speaker 1:And our big final villain is the the possessed guy from LA. Yeah. Or possessed character from LA.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Awesome. But so he has the two books. Future Ash wakes up Mhmm. Basically at the end of nine.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Oh, no. I slept too long. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:You did.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the party, pal.
Speaker 2:How do we explain that there's two ashes? We just It worked in the in the reality. How many Well, why is it happening here? Why now?
Speaker 1:Because there's a fracture reality. There's a fracture. Well Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That then we need to address that somewhere in the movie that all of this has fractured reality.
Speaker 1:In in eight, it's it's it allows us to explain the science of this.
Speaker 2:That's what I'm saying. We will need to say that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That because you suggested there's a second ash that tells him, you hey. Know, Just leave. Walk away from us.
Speaker 2:You've Oh, no. I was saying the book tells him that.
Speaker 1:Oh, I thought you were saying an ash tells him that.
Speaker 2:Oh, no. Yeah. I I mean, it could be.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's what I was in listening when that's what I thought you said. So then we've already established an eight that there are multiple ashes all around
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Borrowing from the Marvel comics. So that, yeah, we had there was just a fracture point at the end of Army of Darkness where one version of reality, he went home. Now that so that we are canonizing Yeah. The alternate ending
Speaker 2:Both endings.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So that everyone gets their cake and more cake.
Speaker 2:And more cake. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So then All of the
Speaker 2:evil cake and the dead cake.
Speaker 1:So we have an old Ash and a young Ash and Well Young ish. A 1992 Ash and a
Speaker 2:No. They're both 2025 Ashes.
Speaker 1:Well, no. The one who slept too long when he
Speaker 2:He just has real long hair because he didn't have a haircut that whole he Gulliver'd. Right. Not wait. Gulliver? Yeah.
Speaker 2:No. Ripped Van Winkle.
Speaker 1:But but Bruce Campbell was in his thirties or forties when he in '92. Yeah. And that's what he looked like. Yeah. And our current prime Ash Prime Oh.
Speaker 1:Is in his sixties going into his seventies. Sure. So we have these two ash Ashes.
Speaker 2:Is he that old? Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1:And so now these two, we're going into our finale. Where's the finale gonna take place? Do we go back to Los Angeles where where our our more or less our fill
Speaker 2:I know we went there with six. No. We gotta go back to where it all started.
Speaker 1:Back to the cabin? Yeah. I know. Man
Speaker 2:is I know you don't like back to where it all started.
Speaker 1:No. No. No. I I I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1:It's like we gotta go back to where we started. Mexico again? No. Ash. Back where this all started.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Future Ash should be like, Mexico?
Speaker 1:Yeah. No. Exactly. Exactly. So, yeah, we're going back to the cabin, original the original cabin location.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That is essentially the hell mouth that is at the end of cabin in the wood. No. No. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Cabin in the woods. Yeah. And, boy, how do we top freaking Helms Deep in nine?
Speaker 2:With a Helmsier deep? Helmsier deepsier?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I don't know. I'm I'm I I'm not quite sure either, but we also can
Speaker 2:Just do a bunch of member berries.
Speaker 1:A lot of callbacks to the entire Callbacks
Speaker 2:to the we just made up.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Some something we didn't we didn't discuss at all is that bringing back Maya from the evil dead. She did survive it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So having her involved in some capacity. Yeah. This is this is the opportunity. And also evil dead rise
Speaker 2:By survive, I was pretty sure at the end of that she was evil. She we also didn't resolve the kids leaving Los Angeles.
Speaker 1:Yes. That is evil dead rise. They they are also out there as well.
Speaker 2:So But I think it's important to go back to Michigan Mhmm. Back to that cave. Yes. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2:And essentially, we because of that, we have three bad guys. Then we have the one we made, the the guy with the book. Mhmm. We have Maya, and we have the one or two people from Rise Rises.
Speaker 1:Right. Yeah. So there's and and we broad stroke through all this and followed Ash through this story, but there's a way for us to weave in the lore of the other two movies. So the Evil Dead and Evil Dead Rise. There is a way to
Speaker 2:Especially in crap. Yeah. Know. Because we didn't show much of the world being taken over. But with
Speaker 1:In in six when we meet Ash.
Speaker 2:Sure. The the notion was they went back to the cabin.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the thing is without having without having said it, the insinuation is that Ash kills Maya there. Yeah. Maybe that still happens. Mhmm. And maybe our evil guy puts her back together.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And it's fun for the actress to return. Be like, oh, woah. They brought her back. They resurrected her.
Speaker 1:That's good. The dead don't die.
Speaker 2:They don't. Dead by dead by dawn.
Speaker 1:Dead by dawn. Yeah. Having figuring out a way to top a castle siege. We might not even have to worry about that specifically because it's
Speaker 2:a lot So I took I took the reprisals the reprisals of eight Mhmm. Off the table from nine. So to put them on the table for ten. Oh, So that's where alternate ashes alternate evil ashes Mhmm. Start coming out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2:Oh. But also Oh. We didn't do and granted I know, again, we did very broad strokes just for the the the general pitch of the movie. And I'd wanna hit a lot of the sort of beats and iconography of Evil Dead in each of these. But what what doesn't happen in Army of Darkness, thus also not Return of the Return of the Army of Darkness, What we would do here is a lot of the evil dead tropes.
Speaker 2:The forest itself Mhmm. Comes to life.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And spread like big gnarly like it's spreading.
Speaker 2:And like we we now that we have all the CG in the world, we can like show that it's more than just the local forest at this point. It's it's the world. The world has fallen to the evil dead. Mhmm. How do we stop them?
Speaker 2:How do we how do we do this? Yeah. And I guess, actually, most of our movies, once again, are road movie getting from England to America to To
Speaker 1:that cabin. Michigan. The climax. Yeah. All the yeah.
Speaker 1:Returning a returning trip and hitting some of the the land, like, the spaces we might set pieces, like, having a set piece in an airplane or on a ship, like, whatever the crumbling world, hitting some of the set so that, like, the climax of the movie almost feels small because we're going back to this woods and we have to get fight through the woods and then we get to the cabin. And there's the cabin just sitting there as small as it was in the first movie, and this is where the finale is gonna take place. And it doesn't have to be we we've already topped the castle and just traveling to this location.
Speaker 2:And also at each of those places Mhmm. That we don't have to save all the characters that we've we've named Yeah. For the end. Yeah. They could have been sent to kill Ash Sure.
Speaker 2:Before he gets
Speaker 1:here. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right. So we can have a fight on a plane with one of the with, like, with Maya.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:How is it raining in a plane? Yeah. I don't know.
Speaker 1:Whatever the case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like like chipping people away as we get there.
Speaker 1:So then in the end, it's it's both ashes. Do we do we sacrifice our old older ash, I ash prime so that younger ash gets to be the hero? What like, that's that's something to discuss right here. But in the end, it's it is ash versus a singular evil evil dead. Right?
Speaker 1:Like, comes down to him versus the book, whatever the manifestation of the book is at this point, the the new villain we created in the series in in seven.
Speaker 2:What do you think about the idea of I mean, this would probably actually even be third act of our movie. Mhmm. It might be too too late to introduce such a villain. What do you think about the idea of the the villain we created in seven? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, resurrects the dead there at the cabin. Mhmm. And one of them is the original professor who from the very first one. Right?
Speaker 1:From Evil Dead.
Speaker 2:From Evil Dead. And he kills our guy Oh. To right? Suggesting that going all the way back to the original, the first guy to read the book and record it at least in our series of movies clear not necessarily in actual timeline. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he is the
Speaker 1:The final boss.
Speaker 2:The final boss. Yeah. Sure. Of sort of like a lich returned.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or is that too referential because it's a character we didn't see for 10 movies, and now we're supposed to be afraid of this guy who's probably an undead, pudgy old professor?
Speaker 1:I can see that being not as satisfying as fighting a villain we created already. Having having that character come back as the final lieutenant, like, final miniboss before facing the book, that's not bad. Because even in that if the final moment before facing off the professor also includes his friends from the first movie.
Speaker 2:Would there be a way also, is this this is probably too contrived as well. The the final climax of the movie is they get embroiled in a time warping thing where they are thrown back into the first evil dead, both ashes, but they are invisible. Like like we see them, they see them, they but they're seeing young Ash Ash and his friends interacting with things and they're trying to stop them. They're trying and there are there might be even deadites and and spirits messing with them, but they're like, how do we how do we change our destiny? How do we change the timeline?
Speaker 2:How do we stop this?
Speaker 1:We stop the book from ever being opened.
Speaker 2:Something like that like that. Is is that is that also too much?
Speaker 1:Not necessarily, but that could be something offered up. There's only one way to show me. This is it. I'm gonna put it in front of you. The book, the character of the book, the the villain we've created
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Says this is what you can do. You can stop. You can change your destiny right here so you were never involved. And Ash is tempted tempted by by that, that, but but that that won't won't stop any of this from happening because someone would have eventually read the book. There are three other books out there.
Speaker 1:Taking Ash out of the equation would actually let this guy win. It lets the book win if you remove Ash from the equation. Because if he never opened up the book, someone else would have. Right? So he he could be tempted by this and go, no.
Speaker 1:No. I can't we I can't choose this. This is not
Speaker 2:the fact. In the original, he didn't open it.
Speaker 1:Right. He didn't know it, but he was he was there for it. Yeah. And he is the the hero of destiny. Yeah.
Speaker 1:The hero of time, to use the Zelda term. But getting tempted with that moment, having having that return to the first movie, Member Barry Mhmm. Endgame Avengers endgame type thing and and him realizing that it actually would not save anything. It would actually end the world faster. So then he goes, no.
Speaker 1:And then not to do that and and actually lives up to his destiny. The trick here is we have two ashes. I
Speaker 2:was I was gonna say, basically, they're they're offered a a portal Mhmm. But only one of them can go for MacGuffin reasons. Yeah. And so they they one of them I'm thinking future ash. Right?
Speaker 2:They they they have a whole back and forth. Like, I should I should go. I slept for the last thirty years anyway. I I don't I don't really have a life. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He's like, no. You you deserve it. You you live this one out. I've I've wasted I've wasted the time. It's it's your turn.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And he turns to go, and future Ash clonks over the head or something and says, I don't think so, buddy. I I don't know. And and and he goes through.
Speaker 1:So who who which one?
Speaker 2:Future Ash. Future Ash sacrifices himself
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:By going into this Memberberry's thing Mhmm. To I was thinking to stop the recording from being read or being recorded or something or being played Oh. While while modern Ash
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Continues the fight here.
Speaker 1:Okay. So that that could be the plan. But once so we can still have it. Some, Ash Prime stays. Future Ash goes back in time or is is offered the visiting the first movie, that whole set.
Speaker 1:And then at the last minute realizes this was all a trap. They need to read that. It's still destiny still needs to be fulfilled, and he sacrifices himself to be torn asunder so that everything plays out exactly as we've always seen it.
Speaker 2:I just realized the book in England should be the book from Michigan because it got sucked through time with him. Mhmm. So the one in the evil dead is a muh. It's a it's a book from nowhere.
Speaker 1:The book the book the third book. So there's the Ash's Necronomicon is trapped in the Middle Ages. Maya's Necronomicon is in the cabin. The Rai's Necronomicon is in Los Angeles, or at least we put it in our characters' hands.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What I'm saying is the one in the cabin
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Is not ashes.
Speaker 2:Poofed of nowhere. That means that means there were two Necronomicons in the cabin because the one that they get in medieval times Yeah. Is the one from the cabin that went back in time with Ash.
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay. Could this this we're we're building such a comp but it's horror movies and people can be forgiven of it. There's only ever two. That the book from London and the second one in the cabin is the same book, and young Okay.
Speaker 1:Future Ash puts the book back so that they like, something like that? Go ahead.
Speaker 2:Maybe. Do it. He captain America's?
Speaker 1:He captain America did.
Speaker 2:Yeah. The reason that came to mind is because my thought is, what if the reason the evil dead the reason the dead the reason the Necronomikans keep winning is because because there are three of them. Because the the shorthand to have these conversations makes it all feel so trite.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I don't mean it to be. What if the three Necronomicon are unto the Infinity Stones?
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:One of them gives the Necronomicon the ability to manipulate time. Mhmm. One is, I don't know, the reality stone, and then another one is another one. Okay. But my point my point is future Ash goes through the portal, portal closes.
Speaker 2:He has he has thus sacrificed himself. Mhmm. And we see modern Ash fighting our bad guy and the Necronomicon being and I keep saying the Necronomicon because it's a thing that happens in the comics and it might be silly in the movies. And but the the the reason I said it wasn't an Ash that was telling him, you can just give up. It's the book itself.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Has a face on it. Yeah. Talking It to So so it's the book itself that's possessing people. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And anyway, Modern Ash is fighting the Necronomicon, and it keeps winning because it keeps maybe undoing things. Right? Like Sure. Like, he kills one person, and then that person just sort of like a moment later stands back up because you can't stop them. But then future ash in the Memberberry's echo Yeah.
Speaker 2:Kills the Necronomicon or the recording or whatever preventing that from actually being read the way it was. And then suddenly modern ash
Speaker 1:Lupered.
Speaker 2:Kills sort yeah. Loop loopers, essentially. And now the dead he kills don't get back up.
Speaker 1:Like Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2:Somehow something reveals one of the Necronomicon has been destroyed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And now we just gotta destroy two more.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Or maybe as we we destroyed one earlier in the movie. We don't have to destroy all three
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:At the end.
Speaker 1:We we destroyed one earlier in the movie. Like a like an early victory.
Speaker 2:Maybe even at the beginning, the one from England is the one they destroyed. Right? Like, Ash gets I was like, what's going on? Yeah. Something like that.
Speaker 2:Kill it
Speaker 1:right away. So we get one out of the way right away. Yeah. I love this idea of the echo effect of killing one of the books. But I in order for everything to unfold as it should, I okay.
Speaker 1:Follow me on this. Future Ash going back to let the first movie play out, the tempting fate of undoing everything and having a moment of clarity to go, there's two books here. This cabin has two books. The the if if if Maya found one in the cabin Mhmm. And we're suggesting that's the same cabin, but that first book was launched to London.
Speaker 1:There are two books in here. So he can kill one of the books, and the timeline can still play out exactly as it did. It means his friends have to die. He can't undo reality. If he kills the book, then it everything.
Speaker 1:Undoes everything.
Speaker 2:I think I don't think we have to play with Back to the Future rules. Okay. I don't think we need to maintain a timeline. Okay. Okay.
Speaker 2:What do you think about the notion of we however we do it, he kills all three books. It goes away and he's just left in a cabin in the middle of the day. There there there can be dead bodies. There can be all that stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But he wanders into town and there's no record of of any of that stuff.
Speaker 1:So future Ash is left on a time timeline?
Speaker 2:Future Ash is dead and gone. He he he is he is gone with the Memberberry's
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Cabin echo.
Speaker 1:And you said he kills the book in the past? Yes. It obliterates that.
Speaker 2:Yep. And then modern ash destroys the last book
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Which destroys the evil
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And erases it entirely Got
Speaker 1:Got it.
Speaker 2:The from from the time. Like, maybe he even wanders into town and he finds out that there is an Ash Williams and his sister is still alive and the the other people, like, they never went to a cabin or when they did, there was nothing because after he kills the book and it all dies, like, what's left in the cabin, he like, maybe
Speaker 1:Oh, because it would have all been
Speaker 2:placed, on an altar. Like, it's all gone. The recording's gone. Everything. The dagger, it's all gone.
Speaker 1:He gets to I like this. He he's walking off in the sunset, in on everybody. This is sort of like when
Speaker 2:And so now he is a nowhere man.
Speaker 1:Right. But he can even check-in on the family. The mom who was killed in the evil dead, rise Sure. Is happily with her children. Like, he basically is this weird wandering rodent, like, ash.
Speaker 1:He he doesn't exist. Like, I know his name is Ashley, but, like, Ash is but dust in this his he can't travel to time anymore. He doesn't have any. And he he could be okay with that. He could just go back.
Speaker 1:Can I are you hey? Is that smart hiring?
Speaker 2:He he retires to Jacksonville. That's a reference for people who saw the TV show.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That he we endgame this where he but it's sort of a sad ending for him. It is. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Do we do we not wanna No. No. I mean, we we don't have to end it that way. I don't if that's too
Speaker 1:The happy ending
Speaker 2:sappy of an ending?
Speaker 1:The happy ending is for everyone else.
Speaker 2:I don't even know if that's sappy
Speaker 1:or not. For everyone else. Like, he saved he saved the world. He lived up to his destiny. Mhmm.
Speaker 1:That's kinda sweet that he we don't have to Logan him and kill him off. Yeah. He can just be, and and we don't have to even, like, leave any breadcrumbs for future more shit. He can just be like, I did what I was meant to do and sort of walk off in the sunset happily about it. Like, I just wanna sit on a porch and drink some beer.
Speaker 1:Maybe?
Speaker 2:Sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like, you do you I there is a satisfaction in him being a hero and just being okay surviving. Mhmm. But I would I would end the franchise here. Well, I mean Right. Children's Corn has 15 movies.
Speaker 1:So if the demand says we have to do five more eventually, then we will. But having him survive this and just be okay with it, he saved the world. Yeah. Alright. You think so?
Speaker 1:Yeah. That gives us, yeah. So Evil Dead, Evil Dead two, Army of Darkness, The Evil Dead, Rise of Evil Dead Rise, Evil Dead Legends where Ash has entered back equation, Path of the Evil Dead where the team, is the one book chasing the one book. We corrupt one of our characters. Portal at the end of that, Evil Dead past lives.
Speaker 1:Ash is thrown through time Mhmm. Returned back to he chooses to face his destiny. The evil dead return of the army of darkness, we get to see freaking Helm's Deep with two ashes Mhmm. And then evil dead ends. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I I think that's a really it's the the trick of this is, like, in us broad stroking this, we're we're having the fun with it. The the horror of this comes in how we choose to kill characters and the tone we set in fleshing this out more. Right? Ash is a is a a silly doofiest adventurer, but ultimately, if we have characters who are getting ripped apart and innocent people dying, that's where the
Speaker 2:But it's a trope. Ash gets a beautiful love interest who dies Mhmm. In each one.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, poor Ash. Poor poor lady actually. Not Ash. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:That was that was really shitty of me. Oh, the poor guy don't get to bang. Okay.
Speaker 2:Also a trope in the TV show.
Speaker 1:He never gets to bang?
Speaker 2:Well, no. No. He does. But that that a love interest is introduced. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And unfortunately Untimely. She meets an untimely enough. Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, okay. I this this this is fun. This I'm I can just, like, feel the silliness of this, but also, like, the fun gore of it. Mhmm. And even even thinking of the visual effects of army and darkness in '92 and just letting that carry on to 2025.
Speaker 1:Like, I'm alright with that. Sam Raimi would be okay with that. Yeah. But I guess now we just throw this to KJ, and and Bloody Good Time Production Studios. How did we do here?
Speaker 2:Now one thing because he did invoke that we've done it before. Mhmm. I'm assuming the the speed.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What we didn't do is we didn't couch this in time. We didn't
Speaker 1:Oh. Say Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh. Well, no.
Speaker 1:Because you made that call. You called it.
Speaker 2:Oh, did I?
Speaker 1:You said the two movies exist, so we have up to twenty twenty three and then five movies to make after that. So we aren't in Whoopsie. That's okay. Yeah. Because we maintain the canon of four and five.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. That's just the way that's just the way it is. We chose not to set this through the February into the twenty twenties, twenty tens, and 2020. Stop saying dates. Okay.
Speaker 1:So KJ, even though you had to wait between army darkness and the evil dead, we just gave you five movies in quick succession over the next few years. How did we do? Okay. And I I we're gonna throw that to you. We'd love to know if we met the demand.
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Speaker 2:I zoning out a bit.
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