System Speak: Complex Trauma and Dissociative Disorders

Emma talks about trying to spend a weekend with friends, and learning how to make mistakes and recover from them.  Emma reflects on others inside and trying to track what is happening when she can't remember.  She fights for her own independence in trying to be herself.  Some religious references at the end when she references noticing Molly.

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What is System Speak: Complex Trauma and Dissociative Disorders?

Diagnosed with Complex Trauma and a Dissociative Disorder, Emma and her system share what they learn along the way about complex trauma, dissociation (CPTSD, OSDD, DID, Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality), etc.), and mental health. Educational, supportive, inclusive, and inspiring, System Speak documents her healing journey through the best and worst of life in recovery through insights, conversations, and collaborations.

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Over: Welcome to the System Speak Podcast,

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a podcast about Dissociative Identity Disorder. If you are new to the podcast, we recommend starting at the beginning episodes and listen in order to hear our story and what we have learned through this endeavor. Current episodes may be more applicable to longtime listeners and are likely to contain more advanced topics, emotional or other triggering content, and or reference earlier episodes that provide more context to what we are currently learning and experiencing. As always, please care for yourself during and after listening to the podcast. Thank you.

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We are in the middle of the week of Julie visiting. She came to our house and spent time with our family for three days. I missed most of this, but also there were some times I could see what was happening even if I couldn't get out to say anything or do anything or change what was happening. But, also, I think I was still too scared to try very much. Not because Julie is scary.

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She's very kind and funny. And I know she heard what I said about being the friend who won't go away. But, also, it's just new to me and a lot. And learning how to make friends is a struggle, but I'm trying. This morning, I woke up in our cabin.

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Julie's here for the rest of the weekend before flying home back to her family. The cabin has two rooms, so Julie has her own space. So we have our own room. And when I woke up, just like always, our computer was out, and the work for the day was finished. And there were toys scattered on the bed and on the floor.

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I don't know how all of this works, how it's possible, how it can be that the one they call Sasha can be so loud or laugh like that or interact like that when it's so hard for me or how the one who works can do all that that I don't know how to do. I saw today that she was writing in French. I don't know how that works. I don't know French. I do understand now that we lived in different places around the world growing up.

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So I understand we could be exposed to some different things like French, but I didn't know that a part of me learned it. Or how a part of me could play with toys and little Winnie the Pooh figures and me not remember that. The bear and the elephant were on the bed too, where they always are, close to us. Today, Donna comes. I've met Donna before, in person, myself.

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We were playing here at the cabin once before with the children out by the fountains, and Donna came and met me there. It was good to see her. She's someone who's real and kind, and I like her a lot. It felt safe to connect with her a little bit even though it's scary and even though I'm not very good at it. She's patient with me.

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So she comes to the cabin today. But before I could see her or Julie, I needed to go for a walk. It's a beautiful day, and everything feels okay. I tried to check-in on the support groups, but there were people being ugly to each other, and the ugliness made me sad. And so I just turned it off.

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It wasn't helpful. I'm not on the groups very much, not like I was a year ago. I think maybe it's true that I'm finding friends and learning more about DID. I'm so able to handle things differently on my own, but not always better. But we're learning sometimes through mistakes and sometimes through trying again and sometimes doing better.

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But it's hard when there are whole cultures you don't understand or when you're really new at it or when there's ugliness in groups and hatefulness online. So I want to do better, and all I really can do is focus on myself and what I'm doing and our choices. I want to be kind. I know I can't always be good, and I'm doing a lot of questioning right now about what good even means. But I do want to be kind.

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Sometimes it scares me because when there are things that happen that I don't remember, I know that I'm still responsible for what happens. So I think it's scary maybe to feel out of control. But right now, the birds, can you hear them? Like when I talked about Mother's Day. Right now, the birds for me are God, and they remind me there are things I can't see and a picture that's bigger than what I understand.

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Sometimes my therapist is the bird. Staying close enough to be sure I'm safe and to help me navigate and help me learn and to help me feel safe, but also teaching me and empowering me to do it myself, to learn to make connections, and to keep trying. It's supposed to be a girls weekend. Us and Donna and Julie. Jane was supposed to come, but at the last minute, she couldn't come.

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So it's just the three of us, which seems not too overwhelming and a good opportunity to try. And they're both safe people. So I feel bad for still being scared sometimes, and I do want to try. I worry about struggling because I don't want that to be disrespectful. I worry about how overstimulating it is even when it's quiet.

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It's almost like I don't even have those muscles built strong in me yet to be able to do it. But maybe if I keep trying, I will learn. I'm sitting on the Third Floor of a balcony of a building, a couple of buildings down from where our condo is so that I could just sit outside but be alone for a minute. The trees are clapping their hands like that verse in Isaiah. And for some reason, it makes me think of the Jewish concept of a temple and how we rest on the Sabbath day because it's the day when his likeness comes.

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So even idols, when they build temples, so even false idols or the temple or tabernacle itself, it was prepared and built in all those days like the six periods of creation. But the moment the idol is placed in there or in the temple or tabernacle where the presence of God comes, it is when his face is there, when that likeness is there. That is what makes it a temple space. And I don't know what kind of temple space I want to be. I thought I did, and I think I do, but I don't know how to get to day seven.

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And then I think, I don't even know where this is coming from, these thoughts about temples or trees clapping their hands. And I think it's Molly, but I don't know why I'm hearing from Molly or what it has to do with today or how to listen. When I meet other people with DID or try to watch the videos online or talk to other friends with DID, they know how to hear them. Or like what Judy what Julie shared on her podcast about getting messages from the others inside, I didn't know how that worked. But when I heard her say that when I listened to the podcast, that made sense to me in a way that I didn't understand before because I think this is a moment when I see the trees clapping their hands.

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It's beautiful, and the fresh air feels good to me. But I don't know anything about temples or that that verse was in Isaiah. But I do know that reference came from Molly. So I don't know if that counts. Some tiny exam of getting an impression like that and connecting where it came from or what to do about or what that means I should do about it or to how to practice doing that more.

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Maybe it's just an example of being present and trying to pay attention instead of avoiding. I haven't written in the notebook for two weeks. Something's changed in the notebook, and it scares me, but a different kind of scared, an anxious kind of scared. Sometimes now, when I try to write in the notebook, instead of finishing what I have to say and then finding other pages by other people, sometimes now what's in the notebook is other people all on the same page. The different colors and different handwritings all mixed up together, and the chatter is louder.

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And there is more of me knowing what's happening even when I'm not in control of it. I don't know if that's progress or if I'm getting crazier, but it scared me, and so I stopped writing. And now the notebook is empty for two weeks, which has never happened before. The first week, we were also typing and emailing some things to the therapist. But this week, with Julie here, we haven't had any time for typing.

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But, also, maybe it was easier to spend time with Julie than to do the hard work of typing. There's something that shifted from just learning to feel safe and learning to trust the therapist. And that shifting into actually telling her things and talking about things. And it turns out the only thing harder than that is feeling them. My emotions get big, and sometimes even my body hurts.

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It's very difficult and scary and hard to remember everything else we've learned already, But I'm trying. I think I'm trying, and I mean to be trying. But I don't know if my trying counts. If I still think it's hard and still find it scary and still get anxious about it. Which brings me back to asking questions about being good.

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Because I don't know if what's scary is how bad it felt the first time or how bad it feels to remember it now or if it's about being in trouble then or fearing being in trouble now and everything gets tangled in my head. But then when I was asking questions about being good and watching the trees, that's when I heard Molly and something about the Sabbath day being rest. And not just rest as in not working, but rest as in the presence of God resting there. As if rest were present progressive instead of just a refraining and a restricting. I feel like she's trying to teach me something that I don't fully understand yet, but maybe I've gotten the message for the first time.

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Like, maybe it's about just being me, being present, and resting my presence in my own body, letting me just be here and present with what's happening even when there's nothing I can control or work for me to do. Or maybe that because it's about being present and not about doing, then maybe it's also not about being good or bad. I feel like there's something there that's slipping past me, but that I almost understand. So maybe that's how I'll start my day, trying to just be present and be with my friends even though I miss my husband and my children and just learning how things unfold and what happens even when I'm not out front and even when I can only watch or maybe that it's okay to watch even when I'm not strong enough for more yet. Maybe sometimes watching is the only way to experience some of the good when so much of the remembering is bad.

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Maybe that's part of why connection makes such a difference because everyone needs some good and not just the bad from the past. Maybe some of the good in the present and some of the connections that are safe is what makes now time safe. Thanks, Molly.

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