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SimmBros Pod is your playbook for winning in your 20s. Join the Simmons' brothers, Chris and Cam, as they break down exercise, nutrition, finance, sports, and life lessons — giving you real strategies to build success, one step at a time.
Chris (00:25)
And welcome.
to the Sim Bros Pod. Yeah, episode six, man. Back in the bay. Back here. I'm Chris. I'm Cam. And together, we're the Sim Bros. And we're here to help you win your 20s. People, people. We just got back home from a trip. A trip. Not a vacation. Interesting. And honestly, the more time I've spent outside of college and high school,
You understand the difference between the two because there is a difference. Is there? Yes. Explain it to me. Well first you gotta remember that every vacation is a trip but not every trip is a vacation. It's like every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square. Yes, that's true. That's what I said man. listen, shout out to Ms. Waller, I learned. I saw Seles or whatever. Yes, there are very distinct differences between the two.
If you first thing to know, if you're like doing things, if you have plans, like really strict plans, structured plans, it's a trip. It's not a vacation. No. And honestly for us, I feel like if there's any other family involved. Oh, absolutely. It's a trip. Cause you know, you got to be on a little bit, right? There's no resting. There's no relaxing. No. something going on. There's a dinner. There's some events. There's no relaxing. And that's the difference. A trip is
A trip in the name, like you're doing things, you're seeing people, you're doing new things that you've never done before, right? That could happen in a vacation though. That's fair. The distinct differences, right? After a trip versus vacation, if you don't know, afterwards, after a vacation, you should feel very relaxed. Refreshed. Refreshed, right? That should be the feeling that you feel. For a trip, you probably will feel fulfilled because you probably saw something or someone or did something that
you know, you were planning on doing, but you're gonna be tired. You're gonna be tired and like,
There's distinct things that you have to pay attention to, especially when it comes to trip versus vacation. Well, yeah, if you're backpacking in Europe for 10 weeks, I don't count that as a vacation. Maybe some people would. Some people might. You're living out of a backpack and you're traveling and you're moving around a lot. That seems like a trip to me, right? Whereas if you're in Cabo laying around for five days at a resort, all inclusive, I might add, then that feels like a vacation.
You're not really doing anything, right? Like a trip is great. You're getting out there. You're doing a lot of different things. You're experiencing new things that you never would have had before, right? Like I think about, you know, traveling to Europe and I just saw this Tik Tok. It was funny. There was like the reality of traveling to Europe versus what you expect. You you expect all these beautiful oceans and just this great scenery and vibes. And the reality is just, there's so many stairs. Your bags have to go up all the stairs.
The cars don't fit enough bags. And it's just, that's the reality. And that's where we get the difference between a trip versus a vacation, right? Usually London, those types of trips, they're trips. They're not vacations, right? It depends. I think it really depends on who... Yeah, I agree. For us, for sure, we're beach people, resort people, lay We're not beach people, but yeah. We're not in the water Yeah, no, yeah, exactly.
We gotta fit the stereotype somehow. But we do like laying on the beach, we like the sun, we'll play some football or catch or whatever. Make sure we stretch beforehand. Okay. And then, so that's for us, that's relaxed. And so when you look at, another difference is the pace of a trip. If it's relatively fast paced, or you gotta do this and that and move from here to there, you're looking at a trip? And if it's like, we got no plans.
Like do what you gotta do, relax, take a nap, chill, whatever you wanna do. Nothing, nothing on the agenda. That's vacation. And man, I love a good vacation. But I think both are important, right? I think maybe you could be like, ⁓ vacation's better because I'm recharging and things like that. I think both aspects are important to understand and important formative parts of yourself as a person, right? If you need a vacation after a lot of work,
It's been a tough year or whatever. Like that makes total sense. You want to relax and fully just go away and kind of turn off your brain. But also trips are important too, because you see things, you are actively doing things and actively creating memories that will last a lifetime. It's kind like you're bettering yourself on a trip. Like you're opening yourself to new experiences and you're, you know, enduring those. Enduring is the wrong word probably because it's like a positive endurance, but
Like on a vacation, you're really not necessarily bettering yourself. You're almost kind of like cleaning your brain's track. Detoxing. You're detoxing. Like you can't vacation too much. No. Because then it's like, what is happening? You're out of touch with You've got to really have, if we're looking at it like a three to one trip to vacation ratio, just for you to appreciate a vacation and for you to appreciate trips as well. Yeah. Like you should be, ⁓ you know, bettering yourself and doing everything that you can do on these trips, right?
And then every once in a while you have a little vacation, you lay out. that's you telling your body, hey, we worked hard to get here. Let's relax, enjoy the peace and the quiet and the calm and the nothingness. It's, oh man. So you categorized our trip home as a trip and not a vacation. That was a trip home. Why would you say it's a trip? Because we were, I,
Here's another thing. If you have work, like if you have to your job, I don't care where you are, I don't care you're on a beach, that's a trip, it's not a vacation. Yep, because you have to actually do So I still had to do work and you did too. Oh, me too. was brutal. So I think if you have to do work A, B, I wasn't like laid out, relaxed. It's hard to be relaxed there. There's all these things going on. So much going on. Yeah, I wasn't as relaxed as I would be on a...
beach, obviously. So I think again, it's a trip, but I better myself. I got to see two important people that, you know, I haven't seen in a while. Mom and dad, shout out. We'll get you on the pod one day. But ⁓ yeah, so that's why I'm like, the trips are also very important. Like I'm not upset that I at all. It's just not a vacation. Yeah. I think the work point has a great like resonance with me because you can't sleep in. You have to get up. You have meetings. You have things like that. So again,
Even if you were in a foreign country, if you have to work, it's still a trip because you have to do things. You can't live your life on your own time at that point. Any business trip, I don't care. It's a business trip, not a business vacation. Bro, I think business trips are one of the biggest scams. It's the worst. It's the worst. You think you're going to have all this time. my God, it's the worst. And at the end of the day, all you do is just order Uber Eats, sit in your hotel room and get up early and go to this conference or whatever it is. You're like, my God, I'm in New York. I'm going to do all these different things. When in reality you have
nine to six of programming or whatever, then you have some sort of corporate dinner and then the day's over. Like you can't explore, you can't do anything. And then you have to leave the even want to. You're literally so busy, so tired. Or you stay up all night going to clubs or gambling and then you have to still wake up early in the morning. It's even worse. Nah, they're scams. I they're like, I'm going here for business. The only good thing about business trips is that
you don't have to pay for anything. that's the- That is a- You want to put that on the card is helpful. That is, is- And it works out for a lot of us, but- I'll take that, but honestly, that payout is not- that outcome does not outweigh the turmoil that you just go through on a business trip. You're on! You're on all day. All day. And also you were trying to like do your own job.
But also have all these other things happening, like especially around a conference when I used to be at a startup, you just go to all these conferences. Like you were supposed to be at the conference, but you also have your actual job to do. That does not slow down. doesn't slow down. So how am I supposed to be at this conference, interact with all these other people, but then also do my actual job? And then you realize that like you're actually way behind. Like you didn't want to go in the first place because now I'm way behind of my actual job. When I went to this business trip conference in this
Cool area like no it doesn't cool and also a lot of them I don't know if you've had these I've had a couple that have been in Vegas and it's just not even fun I've had a few in Vegas and I'm I mean I had pretty fun. We should talk about Vegas a little bit Yes, you think Vegas is worth it like how long can you be in you? Can not be Vegas for more than two days? Okay two days one night. That's it two days one night Vegas Some people say three days two nights. Okay. I see I can give you three days two nights
if you have a good gambling day or if you have something planned on the last night. Otherwise, that's too much time. Because you're up all night in smoke-infested halls and rooms, drinking God knows what at God knows what time. It's terrible. But if you're there for a day, it's pretty fun. ⁓ Anything more than two days, I think you're...
You've overextended yourself. Anything more than two nights. Two days is enough. think, I mean, you already hitting on it, bro. Like, listen, I understand Vegas is Vegas and they have things there for that reason, but my hotel lobby should not be a mall. Like there should not be 10,000 different restaurants. Like I should not be overstimulated when I get to my hotel. That's true. Like that's just.
I want to chill, right? Like I get there are casinos and that's Vegas, but my hotel feels like a mall. And you can't even get around, there's millions of people going in and out. Cause there's just regular locals who are going there for the casinos, right? Like, I don't would hope not. Well, there's other people there. like, I can't even check into my hotel. No, it's bad. I think one of the craziest things about the Vegas strip is that buildings are literally across the street from each other. It'll take you about 25 minutes.
to walk from one building to another across the street, just because these are like some of the biggest hotels ever, right? At least in the US. it's, you think that you're so close to someplace, you're so far. It's actually insane. You're not close. No, you're not close at all. So I just remember walking a lot in the Vegas Strip. Yeah. I'm not a fan of it. I think that if you go, you got absolutely max two nights.
And that's if you have something on the first and the last day. Otherwise, if you have nothing on the first or the last day, skip. Skip. Cut it off, man. There are actually so many conferences there too. your losses. You see these people with these shirts on. It's like, I'm going to this conference at this time in this hotel, but there's also another one. And it's just like, I don't know. I just find it so overstimulating and I can't go back there. I just had bad experiences there. know, I just... What does that mean?
No, nothing bad. It's just like so, just so much, right? Like when you get to the hotel, especially when you're at a conference on a business trip, you just want to get back to your hotel and be able to chill, but you can't. And also you try to just grab some water from the mini bar and it's $23. Like no lie, $23 for a bottle of water. Is that possible? Like they just expect you to be drunk and take that water off the sensor. You can't even move it off the sensor. It works for them.
It happens all the time. Sometimes I have food left over from wherever I went and I want to put it in the refrigerator, but I can't. Yeah, you can't even do it. You need to rent a refrigerator. And if you ask them to remove the stuff for the mini bar, they won't. God. They won't. That's crazy experience. Vegas, It's a almost like a dystopian type of universe. Kind like Paradise. And by the way, speaking of dystopian universes, we just watched Paradise.
season one. What'd you think about it? I really did like it. I think at first I was just okay, it was gonna be okay, and then it really grew on me.
And for those who don't know, Paradise is kind of like a dystopian, sci-fi-ish type of show where the world kind of ends. life as we know it on planet Earth ceases to exist. then there is these billionaires create like a sort of mock city underground in a cave that survives this nuclear tsunami.
written world. Like everything you think would happen, they showed like the Capitol building being under 300 feet of water. Yeah. Like that is the world that's outside. Actually the Washington. Where they are Washington, which is way taller. Yep. That makes more sense. Thank you, Mr. DC. Okay. And either way. Yeah. So, ⁓ basically it's about this lead secret service agent and the president dies, which is not a spoiler. This
Damn, you're going crazy. Is that a spoiler? I know, it's like in the first part of It's in the promo, like, did you kill the president? Okay, yeah, so it's fine. Either way. That was really good. thought Sterling K. Brown had a great performance in it. You know, it's obviously not the greatest television show I've ever seen, but that was pretty good. What do think? I thought it was good. I think two things. At first, when they started showing that this was a dystopian society or like a new thing, because they don't really mention it at the start.
It's kind of like, this is just another whodunit mystery about who killed the president. But then at the end of the first episode, you see like, they're not actually living in Earth as we know it. There's like manufactured lights and it's like kind of like that society, everyone has wristbands. So it kind of reminds me a bit of like that severance type of like dystopian world where it's kind of like everyone's just living in this one area and place.
It took me a second to get used to it, but I think I did kind of like it, right? It did tie together towards the end. And I'm excited for season two. I know we have to probably wait a good amount of Yeah, I got picked up for season two already. I think it's going to be... You know what? Actually, I'm going say, think season two is going to really annoy me. Probably. Just because of what happened at the end. I'm not going to spoil it. What was that? I know. It's just, you know how it is.
Yeah, we'll see. But yeah, I mean it's a great show. think we really, got through it in how much? Like five days? I mean we're at home. That's fast for us. We normally take a while. Usually episode a day. But we actually have, we and you, our parents work in the TV industry, so we've been lucky enough to be exposed to a lot of good TV. I think we have some good shows.
Yeah. What are some, obviously everybody knows the classics, the Sopranos, the Breaking Bad's. Please watch those. The Wire. Have you haven't seen those? Even like The Office and Arrested Development, those are great shows. shows just give you an idea and perspective on like what a good show looks like. Yes. Different genres, different ways, right? You got Arrested Development, you got Breaking Bad, they're two opposite Completely different shows. They're both fantastic. The first three seasons of Arrested Development, by the way.
Not four and five. Netflix ruined it. But, uh... Guess we're not getting a sponsorship from them. Guess we're not doing our special, huh? But anyway, I think we should kind of quickly get into... Like, what are some shows that people haven't seen that are fantastic? Shows that people haven't seen that are fantastic? Yeah, maybe. People don't talk about them enough. Interesting. Well, I think the number one that we've talked about, and a out to our dad for letting us know, Person of Interest. Oh! Wow! Great show.
Dude, POI, what a show. For network TV too, crazy. What a show. It felt like a Netflix original. It was before it's time, before we see all these HBO originals, Netflix originals, right? This felt like, oh wow, they're really breaking the bounds of what network TV meant. Yes. I think it was what, 2009-ish? kind of there. 2015. Absolutely fantastic show. It is also a little bit.
sci-fi-y a little bit. Yeah. But it's more like realistic where you get caught up in the world very quickly. Yeah. That's a great show. Highly recommend that. know a show that people probably know about and it was ranked rated really highly but it's not talked about enough is Chernobyl. Wow. Yeah. I love that show. It was a mini series.
But it was a miniseries so obviously only one season. It was fantastic. So well done. And like I feel like I learned so much too about how. Yeah, everything happened. Oh my god and shout out to all the people who like, you know, sacrificed themselves to, I mean we all know about the Chernobyl incident where like there was an extreme radiation event and you still can't go there in Chernobyl but.
you still can't go there. And you won't ever be able to like for human existence, which that is so hard to think about. It's insane. Right? I mean, first of all, just what a great show. Yeah. I think that show is one of the shows you see where, and kind of like in Paradise too, where like the government or people, you know, who are making decisions, try to make things seem less than they are. The people who seeing that in Chernobyl were seeing, this radiation is pretty bad.
They were telling the public, it's fine. It's not that bad. In reality, it was worse than that bad. You couldn't even think there was like this radiation thermometer or like odometer, whatever it is. it broke the odometer, meaning like the radiation was more than even at the max measurable. Yes, it was. It was crazy. At its absolute worst, was going through 600 x-ray scans at once. I think that's what they said.
at its lowest. going in one x-ray scan you gotta wear that whole bulletproof vest at the dentist or whatever. So imagine it broke the scale. Speaking of that, everybody's a dentist or a doctor and you have to do an x-ray. I just did that.
and then people are like leaving the room. Like why are they getting out of the room? Like what am I about to go through? I don't have anything on me. Like I have this one thing, but like is it really saving me from anything? Dude, I swear they put, I literally just had this last week. I went to the dentist and had some x-rays. They put something on my head. I'm like, Oh, your head too? No, no, no head protection. I mean more like they put like the x-ray thing on my head. Right here. I was like, wait.
Wait, I got this little chest thing on me. doesn't stop any. Yo, come on, man. And then they click it. They're like, oh, I'm to go to the other side of the building before I click this. They're out of there. What's going on with X-Ray? Come on, man. Is it safe? I don't know if it's safe. We need the Chernobyl gun, man. exactly. Oh, man. That's another great show. One more? You got one more now.
Any more shows any more unsung shows you think to? Unsung shows. I mean, I just have a show I want to talk about what I don't know if it's unsung but especially for people our generation and younger Seinfeld.
Shout out Sasha Seinfeld, Duke grad right there. I don't know man. I love Seinfeld. It is so good and people our age and younger don't give it any credit at all. None. Your favorite comedy show took so many elements from Seinfeld. So many. It is one of the greatest shows ever.
Yes! It really is. I mean, it's not even close! It's so good. about nothing and it's about everything at the time. The show about nothing. It's because you have, it's excellent writing combined with excellent acting. And Jerry Seinfeld is not a great actor. But he's a fantastic writer.
People love Larry David. Like this guy was one of the main writers of Seinfeld and a co-creator. Curb your enthusiasm is Is Seinfeld adjacent? It's a bunch of the same ideas of does nobody else see what I'm seeing? Right now what's going on? I think you make a good point too in saying that Jerry is not
They even make fun of it in the show that he's not a great actor. But what you love is that he also understood, you we talked about life advice and all that stuff. like the importance of a team and the importance of bringing good people around you and letting those good people work. Let them shine, man. Knowing you're letting George, letting Elaine, letting Kramer all work together and make the show what it really is. Jerry would tell you his own self that I wasn't the show. It was all of them. Like I just played off of them. They were so good, especially George. So good.
No, but they all would crave was great. LA was great. I know. can't even say that. But they all say the same thing. Everybody else was so good that it made us be better. Yeah. Right? I also thought it was interesting. Those who don't watch the show for people, like if you know secondary characters like Newman, people like that, and also guest stars, right? They said it was very hard.
to be on the show because they demanded excellence so much. There were so many good people around them that you had to be great. You had Or they were kind of going to They were going to cut you. They were going to, if you forgot your lines, they're going to yell at you. Because they put as much effort into this as everything they could have in their life. And if you're going to come to a guest star appearance on one of the biggest shows of all time and not be ready, then they're not going to have that. Come And that's just another example of life. Yes. If you're coming into a top notch organization,
You need to be ready and prepared because everybody else is going to do their part. And if they notice you're not doing your part or not ready when your time comes, they're not going to want you there. And honestly, they have every right to. Yeah, I don't don't blame them at all. I look obviously the way that you go about it is also important, but you have every right to be frustrated. It's like I'm putting in that. Why do think Michael Jordan and Kobe were so mad? So mad they worked harder than every one of their teammates, right? And if they saw that, you know,
somebody else's lack of preparation was affecting the overall team goal, of course they'd be upset. Like that makes complete sense. And then I think it's just like very similar with the signfolding example of like, they worked hard. They put in the effort. where they are. Exactly. They're not going to let some random person. Bring down the show. Yeah. So completely agree I love that about Kobe too. It's the same thing. People always talk about Kobe, man, he didn't pass, man, he was doing all this stuff, but it's that exact point you made and
When you think about it like this, really changes your perspective. Kobe's like, if I show up to practice three hours before and I stay two hours later and I see you show up to practice 15 minutes before and leave right when practice ends, why should I pass you the ball? Why should I give you the opportunity to mess everything up when I know you haven't put in the work to get there? You haven't. Why? And that's not selfish. That's something where it's like, I'm putting in more work than all of you guys. Why don't
you, why do you deserve the ball more than me? Like, I'm going to go take this and I'm going to figure this out. Because it better be on me because I know I put in the work than you who just treats this like it's just, you know, a day to day thing. So that's the difference, right? And I think thinking about that in the Seinfeld example is the same thing. I mean, it was a legendary show that we were not alive for. was 89 to 98. So we were not alive for, but you know.
We obviously knew people and know people who were. It was an every week thing. had to watch. had to be ready. You had to bring your A-game. It's kind of like Sopranos. I guess one of my friends, Ethan, shout out Ethan, he likes to watch episodes week to week. I'm more of a binger. He likes to week to week in every show now? No, no, no. Just like HBO shows that are live.
Damn, takes, that takes, that's tough. HPL is really the only show that does this. The only like network that does this now, cause everything's streaming. So they'll just drop a season so you can binge it. But like the penguin, was telling me every week he'd watch the penguins. Interesting. Yeah. You kind of want that experience. mean, they still keep that experience in. think I like to wait to have all the episodes available first, but I'm also not like a super, super binger where it's like, especially if it's a heavy show, we just watched the penguin.
shows like that, don't think Paradise is as heavy of a show, but I like to at least limit to one a day. Because the more you, when you go to two, especially on a deep, deep heavy show, you kinda lose the emphasis. Like Succession, right? We could not watch two Successions. God, no. That was just, it would be too much like your brain would be It's not fair, you have to sit with it. Yep, sit with it and talk about it. You have to let it like.
I like I sound like Kendall Roy, but you have to let it like encapsulate your mind. like, L to the OG. But you have to, you actually have to sit with it. ⁓ I think we do like to watch episodes every day. So that's why it's nice to have them all. Exactly. I can't wait a week. I think that's too long. I feel like after a week I'd lose it. Ethan, man, respect Shout out to Ethan. I can't do that. Yeah. I just want to like be able to have them all and then watch. That's what we were waiting for. Paradise.
the other shows like that. But Seinfeld, another not even forgotten show, but for all Gen Zers and below a show that I think everybody should watch. It's also an easy watch and such a laugh at it. Don't we? Okay. Don't really watch the first three seasons. Once you get through there, it's fire. And so you can watch it over and over again. ⁓ my God. So good. finally understand what our dad, who used to be when you were younger.
and say like, dad, how do you watch the same show over again and not get bored? When we were like 12. Now we get it. I completely get can still watch the same, like we can turn on The Office again and still laugh. We're literally watching King and Queens right now for the 13th And still laugh. Like we know exactly what happened. So we can like say right before what the line's gonna be and still laugh. That's how you know it's a good That's how you know it's a good show,
Yeah, but there's nothing like relaxing and watching a show whether it's four episodes a day like some people or one episode a week like our boy Ethan.
Bro, another thing about relaxing, this little thing on my wrist, I got a whoop. I got it too. It's literally the greatest health monitoring system I've ever even encountered. Not even close. It's the best. I think if you look at people like LeBron, Christiano Ronaldo, I saw Erling Haaland had one. Yep, everybody does. If you see multi-billion dollar athletes,
wearing something that is available to the public, it's probably a good sign. It's probably a good sign you're in the right place. They can get whatever they want. can get whatever they want. you. they can get different technologies we've never even heard of, not even on the market. No, oh yeah, they can get whatever they want if they want to track any biomarker. It doesn't matter. But they choose whoop. And I don't know if you saw, I also say the whole Duke basketball team had whoop as well. Right? And this is where I was initially.
put out to it and I was like, this is great, right? This is super cool. ⁓ But yeah, I have the new version right now. The MG, actually just put it on this morning. What are some things you can track with that? You can track pretty much everything from how well you slept, what zones of sleep you had. There's REM, deep.
And what you really notice the difference of is like light sleep versus REM and deep sleep because not all sleep is actually created equal. You can get eight hours of sleep, but if it's seven hours of light sleep, you're not actually recovering. And that's what I've noticed too, because a lot of people are saying, I got to get to bed to make sure I get eight hours. But what type of eight hours? What kind of eight hours? Yeah. Yeah.
your brain disposes of its waste. that's actually where your body recovers. Light sleep is just like another facet of sleep. You're asleep, but your body's not necessarily recovering. Your brain's not necessarily disposing of its waste. That's why a lot of times when you wake up tired, even though I still wake up tired a lot, a lot of the reason for that is because you're not getting quality sleep.
That, you know, the whoop can measure a lot of different things. Your strain of the day, how many steps you got, all that stuff. And for us, as people who are very active, I think whoops are great, right? The whoop is great, but I think anyone and everyone should be investing in some sort of fitness wearable. It doesn't have to be a whoop. We get it. It's a bit more expensive than most things, but for our lives now, you need to be measuring and tracking what you're doing. You do. You
All these things you do, it's like everything in life compound interest. They compound with each other. If you're not consistently getting quality sleep, but you're getting eight hours, 20 years from now, you might've aged more than you thought, or you might have more problems with your body than you thought. And you could've been like, well, I was getting eight hours of sleep a night, but you weren't actually getting eight good hours of sleep. Because you either, you know, and look, another thing about the whoop is that, okay, I'm getting eight hours of sleep, but it's seven hours of light sleep.
Let me actually ask the whoop coach, there's just like an AI embedded into whoop that knows you, It literally knows everything that you've done. Okay. You've slept like this when you drank coffee at this time, it affected your sleep like that alcohol, et cetera, et cetera. Let me ask whoop coach. Okay. I'm getting eight hours, but I'm only getting seven hours of light sleep. What can I do to improve this? maybe you can stretch before. Make sure it's the temperature in your room is a little bit colder or ⁓
get blackout blinds or a sleep mask. There's different things that like you can kind of check out and then you can test against those. to see which is actually benefiting you in the highest way. Yeah, I have two things. One of my good friends, Odell, is actually testing out different things. He's testing out nasal strips while he sleeps this time. how that affects his sleep, right? That's how he's testing it out. And you can do that with whoop
Because you have at the start of every morning a journal you put in what you did yesterday, how you slept, like what did you drink, all that stuff, and you can see it. And then he's going do a two week experiment and then in two weeks see if his sleep got better with the nasal strips versus without the nasal strips. That sounds like somebody who's actually trying to improve his health. I mean, that's what we all should be People think improving your health is like, let me eat a fruit. And that's great. Yeah, do that. But like, I think that you can just kind of see it a little bit of a difference.
Last thing on the whoop, I the reason why we talk about looking at and tracking things in your health, right? It's important now. think one of the biggest areas I saw that is drinking alcohol. ⁓ And listen, I don't drink a ton. I'm not someone who's against drinking at all. Like I will have my fair share of drinks when I want to. But I think one time, it was one day where I drank more than I wanted to. And I saw...
My whoop, whoop gives you a recovery score about how your body recovered every day. And what are the factors that like that fact? some factors are like resting heart rate, quality of sleep. I think it's like the stress level on your body. takes little readings and shows your stress level. Your HRV, which is your heart rate variability, which is how many milliseconds your heart beats, something like that. There's a lot of stats going on, right?
Normally even on a bad day, you can say you probably have recovery of 40 % but you want to be anywhere from like 75 % up like and After drinking alcohol one day. I saw my recovery is that 2 % mmm like 2 % and this guy doesn't drink Yeah, like if you drink change, I'm saying if you drink more. Yeah, like you probably had what like three beers Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly like some or the equivalent. Yeah, not a lot. Yep, and it's crazy because crazy
Look, again, I'm also, you know me, people who know me know me, but I also saw the impact of alcohol, what it does. It's insane. You know, when people say alcohol is poison, you're like, haha, yeah, whatever, sure. It actually is. It really is. And you can kind of just see what it does to your body. And I think that, you know, again, celebrate what you want to do, have fun with friends. Those moments are fleeting, right? Do like, enjoy those and maximize that. I understand.
Yeah, but again, it's all the importance of just having a wearable. And we talk about this, just being conscious about when you do things. That is everything. Just be conscious. No, hey, this is what's going to happen. No accidentally doing anything. Yeah, I was talking to my friends about eating peanut butter. The same thing. It's like when you're in...
unconsciously eating peanut butter and spoonful like you don't realize the amount of fat and calories you're eating. but when you're just conscious about eating it and knowing this is how much I'm actually eating, you'll be way better and you won't gain or lose weight. Yes.
But that way and all about being conscious 100 % I think that like, you know, people are like, whoa I don't want to be too conscious because then you I'm gonna start to get to a problem
I think there's a line, I don't think it's a fine line, between consciousness of what you're doing and what you're putting in your body versus over analysis. Yeah, like hypochondria. just be conscious about it. Yep, that's all. Literally, we're just not doing anything accidentally anymore. Yes, that's great. Don't do anything accidentally. You'll never get anywhere you want to go accidentally. was drunk accidentally. I accidentally ate this whole jar of peanut butter. No. No, no, no. You can't be accidental. No, we're not doing that anymore. Conscious. You guys, we're too old to be doing that accidentally. ⁓
So be conscious about it and if you're conscious about it, that's okay. I'm going out with friends, I'm gonna drink. Dude, that's fantastic.
Speaking of never doing something accidentally, it's kind of the same thing with working out and going to the gym. You never want to accidentally do a workout, right? You need to be focused and understand, OK, what am I going to do today? Am I trying to get stronger?
Yeah. Trying to get faster. Yes. Having a goal of what you want to do at the gym or really just get in life is important because There's a lot of diminishing returns, right? So if I want to go to the gym and I want to do chest, right?
and I do every incline chest press possible, I really wasted my time. If I do five incline chest press exercises, I wasted my time on four exercises. If I was conscious, I could be like, maybe I won't hit lower chest or hit tries a little bit. the case might be, it's always good to just be a little bit more conscious about what you do.
here's another thing don't don't say You don't have time to do something. Don't say that if you don't want to do it. Don't do it. That's fine Whatever, whatever the case may be is doesn't have to be for the gym. It doesn't have to be for Anything like that. Yeah, if you don't want to do it, don't do it But if you want to do it The your time is is not a limiting factor
Make time for it. should never be a limiting factor. Make time for it. Don't say you don't have time to go to the gym. You do. You Maybe you haven't found it. Yep. But you've got to make it. That's the whole point is like you have to maybe wake up 10 minutes earlier. Go to sleep 30 minutes earlier. Yep. To give yourself more time in the day. Yep. Whatever, whatever the case may be. don't scroll for 30 minutes Or don't doom scroll. Or if you need to go to the gym, scroll while you're...
on the stair master. Sure. Yes. Those are things that even I have said, cause I've thought the ability, you know, because I've thought the same thing. I'll never say I don't have time. And honestly, right now time is very limited. You really don't have much time. A lot of different things, but I've started doing things where, you know, for editing videos and doing that stuff, like I'll just do it on a treadmill or do it when I'm on the stair master. Right. Do something else while you're doing another multitask, right? Get some exercise while you're editing a video and then it's two birds and one stone. Yes.
mindlessly doing, know, mindlessly editing while you're on the couch versus mindlessly editing while you're walking around. That helps you out.
Yeah. Multitasking is great.
You know, and it doesn't have to be just with the gym. Like it can be with, it can be with other stuff, other aspects of your life. If you want to, you know, read a book, I always go to that. You want to cook more meals at home. Yeah. But put on a podcast while you cook a meal. Yeah. Turn on the TV while you cook a meal. Yeah. Like you can do things and still get some of your fixes while...
something else. Agreed. Because you never, because the worst mistake you'll ever make, because when you see at the end of your life, when you actually don't have time, when your life is actually running out, you'll realize that you could have made so much more time. You can always make time. You can always make time. That's it.
You know who ran out of time last night? New York Knicks. Go New York, go New York, go. We have the finals. They are set. Yeah. Who's who? Battle of the Midwest. God, here we go. Indiana Pacers, Oklahoma City Thunder. I think Indiana's more west than Oklahoma, right? I guess. I don't know. You're better at the map. I'm terrible at jokes. But either way, yeah, we got
David Stern's worst nightmare, Adam Silver's worst nightmare, Indiana versus OKC finals. It will be good basketball. I think it'll be a good series. But yeah, what are your high level thoughts about this matchup? Yeah, let's start first when saying, anyone who doesn't think this is going to be a good series is not a basketball fan, right? Or at least good basketball. I know it's not a marquee market, and I know it's Shay and all his free throws. But I think the
pace of the Pacers and the way OKC plays, it's going to be a hard fought series with a ton of adjustments. And I think Mark Dagnall versus Rick Carlisle will be a great matchup too. And Rick Carlisle being the veteran is going to have some things up his sleeve that ⁓ will be pretty cool. And I'm excited to see if you see a difference in a stark coaching matchup because Rick has coached in the finals before. Dagnall has not. So think that's where we got to start and just think about.
The Pacers are not out of this at all. I don't think they are. Do you? Not at all. think that, you know, when you, especially when you look at the Pacers, their number two guy, sometimes even their number one guy, Pascal Siakam, has done this before. And I think that's super important, especially going up against, you know, obviously he's on a young team himself, but going up against an even younger team, the youngest team in the NBA, with no finals experience besides Alex Caruso, who's obviously leading.
He's not really leading the charge for them, but he is obviously a vocal leader. I think that's important when you look at experience, right? Rick Carlisle is a championship coach who coached the Dallas Mavericks to beat that Miami Heat team in 2011. One of the greatest upsets of all time. Yes. And also we forget that they beat the Lakers, they beat the Thunder and they beat the Spurs that in the West. Like that's even tougher.
Dirk's one of the great that's one of the greatest runs you'll see ever ever ever ever by team. They're literally carried out Yes, they should know they had no business. I forgot what seed they were but they had no business I they were up there but you know who is assisted is basically offensive defensive coordinator before who Terry Stotz and Dwayne Casey Wow, so that's pretty pretty cool Good coaches for those who don't know but anyway, yeah, I like
You know, the Stunder team is scary. And I think if you're going up against them, there's so many different things you have to worry about. It's like, okay, maybe we'll force Shade to take bad shots. And then it's like, okay, well, Chet's going to get the offensive rebound or he'll pass to J-Dub and J-Dub will have 30. It's kind of scary. Yeah. J-Dub kind of brought us back. I know we were, there were things going on in that Nuggets series where is he really going to show up?
If they lose, is he going to get traded? Right? There was a lot of things. If he didn't play well in game seven, and honestly, if Aaron Gordon didn't get hurt, we shall see what that series looks like. But I think that's important. And I think the way the Pacers play is just different. Right? I know OKC has a lot of young guys, but they don't play like the Pacers. mean, I don't know if you saw the Knicks game yesterday, whoever did, whoever didn't.
then Pacers were scoring fast break buckets off of made baskets. That's how fast they go. It's not even, I mean, it was breakaway dunks. Wide open. Like there was nobody back. made baskets. baskets. The ball went through the hoop. The Pacers inbounded the ball. Coach's nightmare. That's literally the worst possible. Again, but that's how they play. And then they score and then they pick you up full court. And it never ends. ⁓ the picking up a full court is insane to watch. Brunson was never breathing.
He never could get like a deep breath. like it them hard was there at all times Yeah, knee Smith was there at all by and then Brunson finally crashes half court and there's only 16 seconds left Then they gotta get into something. I mean, they're at the top of the literally right past the hash mark Which is right in front of half court line and they're setting up their offense and Brunson has his back to the basket with 11 seconds left on the clock and you have to you know Force a shot. It's insane. Yeah, it really is
And honestly, that's a shout out to Rick Carlisle, who is a great coach. And also, he does something that you and I always talk about. He knows when to challenge. When can you tell me and tell the audience, when is a good time to challenge? a big deal. And I think it's especially a big deal in the playoffs. And people aren't getting it. First of all,
challenges in the NBA are a lot different than they are in football. We're used to football challenges, you get two. And if you win two, you get a third. But you automatically get two. Yeah. But in the NBA, you start with one. And if you win that challenge, you get another one. But you don't, we'll never get a third. Right?
So the max you can get in the NBA is two versus the max you can get in the NFL is three. And also if you get one wrong, you're done. Yep, you're done. In the NFL, if you get one wrong, you still have another one to Yes. Yes. So challenging now is probably one of the bigger things you have to see in coaching matchups, right? There are countless examples of Carlisle challenging a play that literally got them the ball back and removed points from the basket. Yes. OK, so here's our criteria.
of when it is appropriate to challenge a call in the first half. Second half, especially when the clock's down, challenge whenever because you lose it, use it or lose it, right? But in the first half, it's extremely important because there could be a situation later where you might need it.
Here's everything you need to challenge a call in the first half in the NBA. It has to A, remove a foul from a player on your team, a premier player I might add from your team. B, it has to potentially add a foul to a premier player on the opposing team. C, it either has to add points to your total score.
or D, it has to remove points from their score. And it has to do either A and C or B and D. Yeah, it can't, it shouldn't be a possession battle here. I care if the ball went out of bounds off them. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because then once you use that challenge, you know you only have one left. Whereas opposed to if you save that challenge for the second half or only did it based off the criteria Cam mentioned, you know you could have two, right? And you know, if you're making that challenge in the first half on
a foul or putting points on the board or taking points off the board, those are actual things that will matter in the game. In early possession, I know we say a game is a long game, but in early possession at the end of the day, really doesn't matter. doesn't matter. A possession in the first quarter is not the same as possession in fourth No, not at all. Not at all.
Rick Carlisle had one of the greatest first half challenges of all time. Like I think it's the best one I've ever seen. We talked about it immediately after. Karl Anthony Towns got an and one. Okay. So potential for three points and the foul was on Tyrese Hattlerbird.
Okay? And it was kind of a controversial block charge foul. was a little bit of a hook or whatever. It have gone either way. could have gone either way. And also, had two fouls in the second also had two fouls in the second quarter. So this is important. He challenged a call. The call got reversed. So A, it took the basket off, and obviously there's no free throw. It removed a foul from Tyrese Halliburton, and it gave Kat his third foul. He was out for the rest of the second half. There was like six minutes left in the second It was one of the best challenges I've ever seen.
Probably the best challenge I've ever seen in the first half. Yeah. And that is a difference that a lot of people won't talk about. Yes. But that was such a humongous play. That was literally the best outcome. I think that was literally A through D of all the you put. Yes.
Yeah, let's go through it. Let's go through it. So A, it removed a foul from his team. Check that off. B, it added a foul to the other opposing team's premier player. Check that off. C, it did not add any points to their score. That's okay. Because D, it removed three potential points from the other team. That's the only time ever. Usually you only need two out of the four, but he actually got three. And in that same year, I'm pretty sure Tibbs, Tom Tibbito challenged a play where was like out of bounds or not.
Or they didn't even call it or they he challenged some offensive foul that was an obvious offensive foul and he wanted to challenge it and it's like Don't do that because then you can't use it at the end of the game Yes, and it wasn't even a free throw shooting offensive foul It was just a regular offensive foul, which again if it was free throw shooting that would be too. Yeah, that'd be fair But it was only one so and then Rick Carlisle used his challenge at the end of the game Yes, it hit off them hard off Brunson or whatever. Like it was just yes a beautiful It was literally knows what he's doing the definition
of coaching now. Now it's crazy because in the NBA you have to think about that. Like that goes into it and I don't know. I've seen Marc Dagnall challenge a lot of early calls. I've seen him challenge some possession calls. In the first quarter. There's no need to challenge a possession in the first half. I don't care if it went clearly off the other team's hands. It doesn't matter because even if get that right you only got one left.
Might as well save it for later because then you can potentially get two with actual plays that matter. There will be more plays that matter. It always happens. And so, yeah, honestly, if we're going coaching, I got to give the advantage to Ric Carlo and Mart D'Angelo. think so. Championship experience matters in all aspects. that's where it starts. We're doing this later on.
During the week, so keep an eye out for this video, but we're talking about the top ten players ⁓ in the finals All that stuff and I think
We're seeing a little bit of a sea change in the NBA right now. And I think these two teams are both perfect examples of that. Before in the past, it used to be we need a big three. Parker, Monty Gennobli, Tim Duncan. LeBron, D Wade, Chris Bosh.
Those will put a big three and then we'll get all these other players around them and we'll be fine. Now with all the salary cap rules and the second apron stuff, right? It's becoming more, you got seven guys, you got eight guys. OKC and Indiana will consistently play 10 guys. Thomas Bryant comes into the game yesterday, hasn't played all series. They're playing Tony Bradley. know, Kenrich Williams is playing in the Western Conference finals after not playing the entire playoffs, right? That is what matters.
And you're seeing a lot different. know you can say, you know, the Thunder have Chet and Shea and JDub, but you know, I don't know how. Yeah, exactly. They're not, they're not exactly. It's really just Shea right now. mean, like if you look at those other big threes, those are three first first ballot hall. Yeah, exactly. KG, ⁓ Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo. You can even put Rondo in that four.
Chet, at least not yet, J-Dub, let's all calm down. No, I know, I know. But it's different. No, I completely agree. Versus like the Pacers. Could you even name the third best player? No. It'd be tough. And we're going to go over top 10, so we're going to try to, our best. It's easily debatable.
One of the things we noticed, game six Pacers next last night, that Terry's hell burn doesn't even play all that much. Yeah, I was super like.
dumbfounded by the whole situation. Especially if you look at the other side Brunson you got him playing 42 minutes a game. Yeah well because I was watching and the Pacers when he goes out of the game their lead just dwindles down and I'm like Rick if you want to win this game you can't let this go back to MSG put him in the game and it wasn't like he was already playing 40 minutes. A person of Tyrese's age and know spryness could easily be playing the whole second half. ⁓ for sure.
That's not how they do it. No, it's not how they're gonna stick to the plan Yeah, they're gonna stick to bring in McConnell and who has been good at the cars be great also been bad in spurts So like really been bad. I think he's been bad a couple games. He didn't feel great last game I know no last game He was you saw the difference about when he was in a tire is in versus Tyrus is out Yeah, like you'll see times where Jokic will play the whole second half LeBron. Yes 48 minutes So no bro, but things have changed
They trust their guys and same thing honestly with Shea too. Yeah, and the OKC Thunder like they trust their minutes They trust their backup guys because they have eight or nine guys. Yes. It's not just three guys We're gonna get 70 points combined if not more from those three guys and we'll figure out how to get 40 points from the rest of the people Yeah, no, no, no completely different ballgame I think that's very interesting like the landscape of the NBA used to be star power star power star power and like now
If you look at like J-Dub in terms, he's the second best player on the OKC, I think that's clear. He's probably what, like the 24th best player in the NBA? You know what I mean? He's probably the last All-Star. D-Wade and LeBron, even if you look now, LeBron and Luca, at the very least, you'll put them top 12, both of them, at the very least. And the rest of the Lakers team just wasn't up to par.
It doesn't work. You can't just rely on two guys. yeah, We're kind of going back to the old school days where you actually have to build a roster. Yep. And you know, we look at Sam Presley, the GM of the OKC Thunder, his whole goal when the Thunder were bad for a very long time. So, so long. His whole goal was to just get draft picks. Stock file picks.
make the right trades, hold when it matters, and make the right trade. And look at him. They got four picks in next year's draft. The number one team in the NBA with the MVP, more than likely probably going win the championship, has four first round picks. Is Paul George to the Clippers from the Thunder? Yes. trade in all time. Yes. You don't have to finish that sentence. The best trade of all time? Is it crazy? Best or worst? Yeah, I I think it's I want to go best. I want to this credit. Think about it. Even if they just traded Paul George for Shea,
It's a worse trade. Exactly, yeah. But I think there were six or seven, six, seven picks ⁓ attached to that Paul George trade, not to mention Shay Gilders Alexander, the MVP of this And you can't even, like I think it's two things, you can't even also blame the Clippers because that's, because if you do it where it was Kawhi and Paul George for that.
It sounds better now. But again, the Clippers are still never going to win. No, they can't. They can't. blew their opportunity this year. like Paul George, you think about it now, podcast P for Shay. Playoff P, pandemic five picks. It's just unbelievable. It's ridiculous, man. That's crazy.
Paul George started the OKC dynasty and honestly, he got to started this Indiana dynasty. you think about it, they traded Oladipo and who was it again? Subbonus. Oladipo and Subbonus for Paul George. Then they did that and got Subbonus and traded that for Halliburton. And then they got all these other picks. And now look what happened. All because of trading Paul George. ⁓ So Philly, if you're out there Darrell Moore and you want to win, just trade Paul George.
You're not going to get anything from them, who knows they'll probably become good players because that's just what happens. That's just what happens. This is like when you take a game winning shot on Paul George, it's probably going to go in. That's a bad shot, man. That's a bad shot. All right. Damian Lillard. Bro, it's Dave. He's done that already before. like, Dave pulls from there. You better get up there. Oh man, you better.
I'm excited for the finals. It should be a good series. I'm excited for it.
Yeah, so what's your initial thoughts on the series price? Like how many games do you it's gonna go? Who's gonna win? Well, I'm not a gambling man.
Vegas will beg to differ. Fair enough. But I did look up the series price and it is at Indiana plus 460 to win the series. Oklahoma City minus 675. Okay, see heavy favorite. Extremely heavy. You need to bet $675 to win 100. Yes. And you need to bet $100 to win 460 for the Pacers. So just looking at that, I think it's disgusting.
I think those odds minus 675 is not even worth it. If I was going to sprinkle a little something, I would sprinkle on Pacers 460. I don't think they're going to win. I really don't think they're going to win. But 675 is ridiculous. And I don't have the lines in front of you or the lines for the exact number of games. But two things I would think about would be.
Thunder in five. Okay, that's probably gonna be an easy one. That's gonna be also one that might be plus is Pacers and say I Pacers and sick I think that's the only way the Pacers win is if it's in six because they're not winning on the road under like nine and one on the road Yeah, and the only game they lost was the Aaron Gordon. Yeah. No, they're not they're not losing that game ⁓ They're not losing at home. So that's the only way and if I had to sprinkle anything finals MVP We saw Tyrese Halliburton take that step when he thought it was him. I'd be very surprised if somehow again
I'd be surprised if the Pacers win. I'd be even more surprised if the Pacers win and Tyrese Halliburton is not the most absolutely obvious reason why they won. So I think if the Pacers win it's because of Tyrese Halliburton, I would sprinkle a little bit of some on him finals MVP. That said, it's not going to be anybody on the Thunder other than Shay.
It literally can't it won't be because she's just that much better than like the whole reason why Pascal got it over Tyrese's he averaged more points than Tyrese did and that's one of the biggest factors Tyrese is like a different type of a play exactly So like shea if you average the most amount of points and you win you're gonna win finals WP We saw that last year with Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown Jalen Brown averaged more points and he was clamping up Luca. Yeah, so Yeah, that's a story for you. He really did. So don't know why he really D
So I got, if I had to sprinkle, I would sprinkle Pacers and Six, Pacers series price money line. Actually, I wouldn't even skip that. I would do Pacers and Six, And then, just cause it's better odds and I don't see them winning in four, five or seven. So yes. And then I would also sprinkle a little bit on Tyrese, finals MVP and then Shea is going to be minus odds, but I would be surprised if anybody besides him.
We're probably gonna agree on what we think the series goes as much as we love the Pacers I mean I have thunder in five. I got it. Yeah, the gentleman's yeah, I just think they're too much There's so many different weapons to throw The arsenal the arsenal is ridiculous. Yeah, like and they can they can run up and down. Yes Yes, they can that's the whole thing is they have a deep team like obviously the Knicks were so you know really weakened and and exhausted from the pace of
Play them every series coming. Yes. Yeah thunder had a lot of rest They've taken care of series pretty easily besides the first besides the yeah, and they still have so many people. Yeah, so yeah, I The Pacers pace of play is not gonna be a big of a factor as it was in the next series Yeah, so that would be interesting. Yeah, it'll be seen and they got a lot of guards to guard Tyrese I think if Pascal and if especially like knee Smith and them hard can really make plays off the catch
after a Tyrese pass and really stretch the defense that way. I think that will be helpful. And I will give them a chance because people like Devin Chenzo and Nikhil Alexander Walker on the Wolves, they're more catch and shoot players as opposed to Niece Smith and a lot of people on the Pacers who can actually make plays out of drives. Because Ant was getting doubled, he would pass the ball and then it would kind of be like, is Nikhil really going make a play here? Is Devin Chenzo really going to make a layup here? Whereas they're more just like, hey, they're open for three, let's take a three.
But Niesmith, Namhar, they can make plays off the catch out of a Tyrese pass out of a double team and play four on three. So that would be interesting. That would be very can do that. But yeah, Tyrese is a great passer. So they're going to have to, the Thunder going to have to be careful with doubling him. Yeah. It's almost like Jokic a little bit. we wanted to be He absolutely would love to be double because that means somebody's open. So even if they X out the corner, the, you know, the weak side corner.
I Think they're gonna have to guard Tyrese one-on-one and honestly like Lou Dork can do that. I think he can I think Yeah, it'll be interesting a lot of the high picker roles and that and like maybe not even roll miles Turner get as they hard inside out of the paint but
Either way, I think it'll be a fun series. I don't know if it'll be a good one. It might be competitive and then the Thunder just like... Right, they might just pull away. Yeah, like this might be how it goes. The Pacers might have a chance. It kind of felt like the Pacers-Boston series. That series was a lot closer last year than people thought. I will say though, if there's like two minutes left in the game and it's a tie game... Yeah? Who do you like in that scenario? I mean, me the Pacers. I like the Pacers I would rather be the Pacers. Me too. They have the better coach, they're less likely to tense up.
Yeah, make unforced errors. Obviously the more experienced older team. interesting. The pacer can keep it close towards the end. I like them to close it out. That's obviously way easier said than done. So we will see. ⁓ But yeah, that said. You got a challenge this week for us or what? Yeah, challenge. It's coming up out the dome.
Yeah, challenge of the week, I do got one. ⁓ It's for you to stop saying, I don't have time for something that you want to do. That you've been saying you want to do forever. Find something that you want to do, that you've been putting off. Actually do it this week. Make the time. See how it feels, right? Write that down. Find it. And it could be anything.
It could even be five minutes. Hey, I wanted to take five minutes to read this morning. Do that. Five minutes is always better than Five minutes is always better than zero. Being conscious about it. Never do something accidentally. Right? That's what kind of this theme of this podcast was. Right? do something. And we're going to do that with us too. Find time for something we can do and write it down and give yourself credit for finding that time. Amen. And with that, we'll see you next week. Stay locked.