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Redlands Rundown is your go-to podcast for all things Redlands Community College! We'll cover what’s happening on campus, along with helpful tips and tricks to make the most of your college experience.
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Speaker 1
Welcome back to Redlands or announces your podcast for college, career and everything in between. We're excited to have James Tabor Europe as today Professor Tabor, as a lot of you know him, and we're going to talk a little bit today about professors who changed everything for us. And we're just so glad that you joined us like it is today.
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Speaker 2
Thank you for inviting me.
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Speaker 1
You know that when Macy and I were talking about crucial we have on campus who really made an impact in a lot of students lives. I instantly was like, well, I know who made a big impact in my life and in my educational journey. I know I transferred over two years now. I came back and I was like, I'm going to have a minor in history.
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Speaker 1
Not necessarily because I love history, but because I love drew class, and that I love that you kind of made it come to life. And so I guess just starting there, when you think about your path and how you got to teaching. How did you know it was the right path for you?
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Speaker 2
Well, honestly, I started out and said I was going to become a dentist, and I it took one semester of, college chemistry and I changed my major. Well, I didn't even major at the time, I this changed my direction. And, history was the class that I always enjoyed. Growing up, my parents, on summer vacations.
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Speaker 2
A pack is a brother, and I have a car, and we go to, some battlefield or some museum. And so it's already been a part of my, my life, and, I enjoyed it. So that's how I got involved to going into history here.
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Speaker 1
My dad and my brother both really big history, loves, and they went to Mississippi one summer for vacation. And I remember going to visit Vicksburg.
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Speaker 2
Yes.
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Speaker 1
And I remember talking to you about it and hitting all these things. And I remember my dad saying, how did they ever find each other? You know, like this. Just so up and down on the lake. And I always think that's what kind of brings it to life, because people like you and people like him who were able to actually put that story there with it.
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Speaker 1
So do you have maybe something that you feel like students always remembered about your class? Because I know that one of the things I've always thought is just how engaging you were. And how did you make it feel? Alive for the students.
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Speaker 2
That that's one of the ha6 to do is to, make a class the topic, irrelevant to the students. So that's one thing I tried to do, is how is this topic? How is this part of history, relevant to their lives and how it affects, affected not only then that had, impact later? They, it's, if it's if it's challenging that town and you're really worried.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Well, especially all the way to today's age when everyone is sold, that's that's a social media. And on our phone, all the time. It also made it a little more difficult to bring that to life.
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Speaker 2
Luckily, they didn't have cell phones when I start, he started right? Yeah. But, yeah, technology certainly change things. That, you know, in the classroom and the whole environment. And, I, as I say, the first, I know I said this in college, this battery class, the first class was, I know I'm have a rough audience because hardly anybody will be a history major.
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Speaker 2
And, you know, maybe 1 or 2. And, I said my hope was not converging to history majors, but, you know, see, the history does have an impact on their lives. They may not know that and realize it right away, but later on in life, they'll both fully realize it.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. I was always on grass. And I think when I teach classes now, and I know I talked with Professor Caro about this, will always talk about how you were such an impact to us the way that you taught. And I think I try to take a lot of what you didn't consider and apply it when I'm teaching.
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Speaker 1
But how what would you say your teaching style is? And would you say it didn't fall over the.
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Speaker 2
When I first started, it was probably more mostly lecture. And, you know, as the semesters and years went by, I tried to do less lecture and more try to get discussion from a class. One class is it could be, you know, full discussion while depending on how much they bread coming into the class. And then, you know, you may have in the next class same topic and that class, you know it's trying I point t as hard to, hard to get, you know, a discussion.
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Speaker 2
But you know, last thing are do if you're seeing the big movie, Ferris Bueller today. Yeah. I didn't want to be that teacher that is in anyone. And you are in character. So, yeah, I'd say that probably trying to add more to this much discussion and, and involving them in and then of course, as I said before, making it subject relevant to.
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Speaker 1
What did you find the most rewarding about being in the classroom.
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Speaker 2
Or just being around students? Yeah, that was that was it? That that that's the that was the other thing that attracted me to teaching in general was there was never a dull moment there. There really wasn't, you know, you know, I taught the same couple 2 or 3 classes every semester. It was still always fun because the students were now, and that's.
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Speaker 2
And the the students or everything.
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Speaker 1
Rarely did you find a part of it challenging?
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Speaker 2
Oh, yeah.
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Speaker 1
The students that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Yeah. I, I wanted to challenge the students. I mean, I heard a lot of students say, why is this class tested so hard? You know, I don't want to take that. Who that. You know it. I want it had to be challenging. That's what life is. You know, you face challenges in. And, the governor will do that.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Absolutely. My dad always told us, you know, life doesn't owe you anything. Yeah. And I remember when I first enrolled in your class, I did talk to someone, and they're like. His class is so incredibly challenging. Like, you better watch out. And it was a hard class, but it was enjoyable to me. Like, I was actually learning, and I was in high school when I graduated your class.
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Speaker 2
Oh, no. And, and, you know, the thing I remember about you, and in class is there's about four of you that I think you all rode together at. But you you also studied together. You, compare notes, man. And you may not realize it then, but you were learning. Yeah, yeah. Just whether you were driving to or from, the campus.
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Speaker 2
We probably talk at some about the class that, that interaction was important.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. And I think it was probably the first time in, like, my life that I got. I'm actually learning something. High school, I think, for a lot of students, isn't necessarily challenging a lot of the time. And for others, it can be. But, you know, a lot of the curriculum that's there isn't necessarily things that you have to study for.
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Speaker 1
It's a lot of stuff that you maybe already know. And it it really was the first time in my life that I thought, I, I'm applying myself to this and I've been challenged by it, but it was so rewarding because I walked away being able to talk to someone about a historical fact or figure that happened in history.
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Speaker 1
Whereas in the past it was like, well, I made a knee, but I don't really know what to tell you, but I learned there, and I, I really cherish that, and I still do. Speaking of historical events, if you could add one historical event or topic to every suit's required curriculum, do you have one?
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Speaker 2
Gosh, that there is. So that's Tesla tech, You know, one one topic that I hardly ever get and have had or hardly ever got enough time to to discuss. That was the 60s. Yeah. And I, I get close to young, get the bit through maybe the Kennedy administration, but, Yeah, that, you know, post Kennedy and, they're not talking about Vietnam War.
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Speaker 2
You know, the change in the car counterculture and that, it's part of the curriculum that just never got there, or rarely guys are there in a class. And so, one time I thought about teaching history back or starting with, you know, like, 60s and then going back and, now I did see confusing reality for the students, but being too.
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Speaker 1
Well, I remember and correct me if I'm wrong, but I really think one of the things that you told us when we first started was you really didn't need us to know specific dates. You just want to let us know what your time period is and.
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Speaker 2
Or of your work. Yes, sir.
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Speaker 1
Yes. And so you may have succeeded in more than, you know, had you started with the 60s. Do you have a favorite memory from your time teaching?
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Speaker 2
Oh, gosh. There. There's so many, you know, just, seeing the students when you're in, in front of the classroom and you see a student, the light comes on and you can see in, in their facial expression in their eyes that that was and that happened. I will say a lot because I know you did it that way.
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Speaker 2
But when that happens, that might make you realize, you know, this is why I'm here.
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Speaker 1
And they're rewarding. I feel like when you're finally able to get something across. Yeah. That's it. You know, when I was advising, that was kind of what I enjoyed about it was seeing someone walk out of the room, was head a little bit higher. You know, not as discouraged as they came in. And so I, I'm sure that's very powerful when you're up there in the front of.
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Speaker 2
Yes, one of the things that I really think that was really important was to listen. Yeah. To listen to their students, you know, whether there's an as a group, as an individual, small groups who listen and, and, you know, try to, learn from what, what they and say.
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Speaker 1
Well, that actually leads us into our next question. Despite maybe your classes being a little more challenging, you really were one of the students favorite professors. So what? How did you make that strong connection with them? Was there one thing that you always focus on? Do I know you just.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. I didn't even know their names. And then listening. Yeah. That that was an, you know, when I did engage with them and not necessarily tell them what was right or wrong, but to have them make, you know, figure out to the right thing to do.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. I remember in every one of your classes knows it. And it was a lost, that we would write down our name and something about us and you would always remember. And it was different than an icebreaker because I think during an icebreaker, it's a little bit weird because you're like, my name is Sydney. And here's a weird fact about me.
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Speaker 1
But for you, you did it, like, let me know something about you that is important to you that maybe is going to affect something in this class. And I think you always took special detail of that.
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Speaker 2
Well, thanks. We try to for Chris.
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Speaker 1
Do you maybe have a moment that you remember something that a student what said or did that? Were you teaching? I knew you'd have a good story for the next.
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Speaker 2
We were this the late Dill Gordon, who taught at government and also had some history classes. He was one of my best friends, and we put together a class on that night on the 60s. And, we and the students there is, is usually about 15, 20 students in this one particular, class of students. They were really engaging.
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Speaker 2
A lot of fun. There. And anyway, I just talked we were talking about, Woodstock. Yeah. And and, you know, the impact it had and, and, and one of my students and she, the volleyball player, and I will say her name because it's it, but it's stuck through the she goes, Woodstock, Woodstock, Woodstock. Big woop. You know, I don't know why that struck me.
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Speaker 2
It's so funny. But yeah, she were big bro. And so, every once in a while I would, class, you know, somebody would say something. Big words. Yeah. That, Yeah, that one phrase just tore me up.
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Speaker 1
That's something I, I it's funny, the things that stick with you. I have a friend who we were watching a basketball game. One time, and she so seriously said, if we want to win, we're going to have to put the ball in the hole and make it. And that to this day, is something that my family and I will say, and if we want to wait, here's what we're going to have to do.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. What do you hope that your students would take away the on just the course material?
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Speaker 2
Well, just to appreciation for for our country's history and, you know, one of the things I know, I said every first class was I might get in trouble for this, but this country's history is and is not perfect. Yeah. You know, it's made mistakes and and oftentimes you they learn from these mistakes. And sometimes they were still making mistakes.
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Speaker 2
And that have continued on for years. Started years and years ago. So you know, have appreciation for learn from its, its successes, but also learn from its failures.
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Speaker 1
That's the thing. That's a great lesson to take away because like you said, it's not perfect. But also the most important points are.
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Speaker 2
That and your and oftentimes in real life you learn more from your mistakes than your successes. Yeah I know that sounds a little, tried, but then maybe it's true. I really think it is.
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Speaker 1
And as I tell students all the time, like if you walk away from something and you feel like it was a failure, you so learn something. Oh, yeah. And so what more could you want? You know, I don't know. How do you want your students to remember you specifically? And how do you hope they will remember you.
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Speaker 2
As someone who, cared about them? Somebody that listened to them and, was somebody who was fair.
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Speaker 1
Well, was one of your past students. I can say I feel all of those things. I know that some of my classmates that I shared your classes with feel the same way. So and in due to the great job on that. Shifting gears just a little bit, remind me again, you're retired in 2020. Is that right now that was like your halfway retirement, I think.
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Speaker 1
I just think.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I think that's when I retired. I had the years have gone by. Yeah I think that's about right.
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Speaker 1
Was it hard to step away or did it feel like it was time?
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Speaker 2
Is time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I still enjoyed and this is the thing. But you know, I taught 44 years and about 30 here. Ribbons. I could probably in one hand the days that I didn't want to come over. I love teaching, I really did, but, you know, 2020, with the pandemic going on and I was I just felt sore is felt is time.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. And I never regretted, I think I taught a Western in class online for 2 or 3 years. And then I thought, man, she's I'm ready.
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Speaker 1
I'm going to really retire. This is my.
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Speaker 2
Year. And it's it's changed. You know what? I used to read. I mean, I've always read, but, a lot the, history books. Yeah. And, you know, the various topics and personalities and stats since I've retired. I mean, I read a lot. I've only read two books that have dealt with history. I've been reading stuff that a lot of fun.
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Speaker 1
Yeah, well, anything that's wonderful. Is there something that you miss the most about teaching?
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Speaker 2
Yeah. The just the engagement with the students about the course and and the people here at Redlands. I mean, I enjoyed talking to, and seeing fit in, you know, the people I worked with.
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Speaker 1
Well, we did just walk the halls earlier, and it was like a local celebrity was with me. Every person that we came across was like, oh, my gosh, Riverside over.
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Speaker 2
I don't come back. So for them to go to the schools and I got other things I'm doing share which you know, so people ask me, well, what do you do in retirement? In retirement? I don't know, I mean, I walked they were more about four miles. I, I read I, my wife, who's always got something for me to do and, and she really has a list of stuff and, I think I did graffiti painting our dining room for the fifth time, and my.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I sold Evandale is.
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Speaker 1
There's a lot in there. Oh, good. I I'm glad to hear that. I know that retirement. I feel like a lot of the time goes 1 or 2 ways, or someone either really enjoys it or they really are itching to go back to work. Is there something that you don't miss about teaching me?
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Speaker 2
I agree, the and the hours, the hours and grading. And it's I always thought is really important that if a student turns in an assignment that they get it back quickly.
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Speaker 1
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Speaker 2
And, not necessarily the next day or, but that, you know, certainly within less than a week. Yeah. And so it meant a lot of, long hours of, of reading and correcting and yeah. And the grading news.
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Speaker 1
Well, especially with history because, you know, that's, you know, Irish historical facts, you have to get.
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Speaker 2
Right. Well, then I had to well, there was important, have written, you know, whether there's essays or short papers or something like that. And, sometimes going through those could be, a challenge.
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Speaker 1
Yeah. You said you taught for 44 years. Do you feel like teaching still finds its way into your life and probably always.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, absolutely. Or what's jeopardy you life it. So I know that there see that answers and and Yeah in conversations. Books I read you know, just. Yeah. Every day, every day this comes in, you know, teaching has an impact on in some way or another. You know.
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Speaker 1
If you could go back at the beginning of those 44 years and give yourself one piece of advice at the start of your career, what would it be?
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Speaker 2
Do something that you love. And, how I'm lucky I found a job that, It wasn't really. It wasn't a job. It was something I really enjoyed doing. Just about every day.
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Speaker 1
I think it makes it a lot easier to get up out of bed in the morning. I'll be looking forward to what you're going to. Oh, every day? Yeah. Was there maybe. Were there qualities that you saw in students that made you excited or hopeful when you offered him to the classroom?
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Speaker 2
Getting the internship. That's okay. Any qualities that. Can't be. I can't think of anything. Right. I'll pay.
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Speaker 1
That's okay. Yeah, yeah, I think, one of the things that always makes me excited is like, when someone is engaged from the get go, I'm teaching intro to speech right now, or. And so when I have students that are, you know, like, which doesn't ever happen, that students are excited to give a speech. But when I have students, I'm like, okay, yeah, I'll go.
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Speaker 1
I am like, oh, okay. Yeah. You're like, let's do this thing. And so I think probably for all of us as teachers, just that degree of like, you actually care, even if it is just so.
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Speaker 2
That's, that's yeah, I and I did care. It was is sincere. Yeah. There's there's, one thing I didn't get a chance to do and we, we Billboard I think I mentioned we, we toss some special interest classes or the 1930s, or 39 particular this 19 six classes and, this shot, Professor Sharon Kerr had discussed and I had discussed for last the possibility of doing the history and literature type, special topics class per then.
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Speaker 2
You know, I didn't get a chance to do that, but, yeah. And, thought you you can really, teacher Greg, have a great history class just through literature. So. Yeah, I missed out on there.
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Speaker 1
Is is something that you wish more students knew while they are in school?
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Speaker 2
Who is saying how important education was? Period. In, in their lives? I'm not just saying, you know, whether it's a trade or, you know, becoming a doctor or a lawyer or whatever. Just always learning. Yeah. You try to learn something new every day.
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Speaker 1
I know that a lot of us say an education. Your knowledge is one thing that no one can ever take from you. And I think that's something that I have really, really honed in on as, as I get older. Is that the more I learn, the more I take in. And is there just more things that people can't take from me?
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Speaker 1
Or is the information that I hold on to in the education that I have? And like you said, whether that's a trade, whether it's college or whatever it might.
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Speaker 2
Yeah, I don't know. That's one thing that since retiring I've tried to do is the, you know, there's one thing every day. I haven't learned it yet today. But, you know, my wife is, she decided when she retired about a year before I did. And, she's learning French. Oh, wow. And, I haven't gone there.
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Speaker 2
I feel like I'm learning just by listening to her. Very listening to her. But, Yeah, doing something like that. Something that's maybe takes you out of your comfort zone.
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Speaker 1
When you all travel so much that that will benefit her. Well, and you'll also benefit from her. Know it.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Well, we've we, we've been to France twice. Three times. And, you know, each time she learns more and more and she's able to interact more with tables and, yeah, it's it it is happier said, well, even not only in France but in Belgium, where they take a speak Flemish in their other half, speak French better.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. It's pretty.
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Speaker 1
Those are really cool. Yeah, well, if you're okay with it, we're going to do a quick speed round. You're welcome to answer as fast as you like. So okay. Number one, if you could teach one class completely unrelated to your field, what would it be?
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Speaker 2
Which requires you.
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Speaker 1
If you could time travel to witness any of that firsthand, which one?
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Speaker 2
1517 Martin Luther nailing the, 95 theses, the criticism, the the church of Wittenberg, Germany. They love to sing that because that set off the past, the Reformation, which is why does it is quite the.
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Speaker 2
Revolution. Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1
One historical figure. You'd have coffee. Look.
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Speaker 2
I, Barack Obama, I think, I love the dark weather here. We we have a lot of interest, you know, in sports and, you know, things outside of politics and, Yeah, I think it. And it's him and his wife are both on my Bible. Sit down and have a, coffee or drink or whatever.
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Speaker 2
Cover for them.
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Speaker 1
That's historical movie.
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Speaker 2
Band of brothers. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
Is there a worse historical girl horror? I like that that one was way faster than the rest of the Pearl Harbor.
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Speaker 2
Yeah. Best thing, that movie was Kate Beckinsale. She, And but, yeah, so many is staffing there.
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Speaker 1
We they class classy. But we're taught 1960s class.
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Speaker 2
Yeah.
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Speaker 1
A piece of advice you found herself giving over and over.
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Speaker 2
Be patient and listen.
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Speaker 1
One thing you wanted every student to learn beyond the curriculum.
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Speaker 2
And just really how important it, history was. And, you know, one of the things that I would hear how a student that would, run into a student that was in my class and they would come back or they, you know, a couple semesters later, they were taking another class of something and they would stop by, says, you stay, right.
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Speaker 2
I saw this on TV, and I remember this talking about class. And, so that was always, that a boost? Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 1
One word you students would used to describe to you.
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Speaker 2
Challenging.
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Speaker 1
I always thought you were so funny. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, I love to hear.
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Speaker 2
I said a reason. I kind of felt it was time to retire. I would use references in class. The, were very pertinent when I started teaching that there. And as the years went by, I used to use this reference in eight the hair. It's you talking about, right? So yeah, I.
00;28;34;09 - 00;28;43;01
Speaker 1
Remember I would go home, because you would tell stories about Walmart being like the evil Empire. Yeah. And I would go home and I'd be like, dad, he feels the same way, that you'd.
00;28;43;03 - 00;28;56;12
Speaker 2
Still have been set foot in on your. It's been 30 some years apart. Yeah. It's, you know, a long time seem to be doing well with my days. And so.
00;28;56;15 - 00;29;07;22
Speaker 1
I think there's the marketing, most rewarding teaching moment. Oh, man.
00;29;07;24 - 00;29;38;24
Speaker 2
Probably. And I know this may sound, our former president, Jerry Brown, always said, I agree with. And wholeheartedly. Then, watching those students get that palm and, you know, their associate's degree, that was whether they are my student or her and other students just watched them get that. That was all. Is that was or was a reward.
00;29;38;25 - 00;29;47;22
Speaker 1
Yeah for sure. And I think getting to see someone like you said, even if they weren't in your classroom, but knowing that the work that they put in over the years, she thought for sure.
00;29;47;25 - 00;29;49;11
Speaker 2
That these things change.
00;29;49;18 - 00;29;53;12
Speaker 1
They they are the best adapters. They got the bathrooms, they've been renovated. They're really nice.
00;29;53;19 - 00;29;54;28
Speaker 2
Okay. Old woman.
00;29;55;05 - 00;30;09;23
Speaker 1
Yeah, well, I thank you again for coming in, and I'm just really excited. And I'm excited for our students and our listeners and our faculty to listen to this and to get to hear a little bit about your journey and just the things that you've been doing and the things that you did earlier in the classroom.
00;30;09;23 - 00;30;40;24
Speaker 2
I'll say, they do and say thank you. And it's it's, the you're an example of another, reason why I enjoy my teaching is to see students like you come back here and, and, and, make this a break institution. We've been, you know, and, you know, keeping in touch with students years afterwards. It's,
00;30;40;27 - 00;30;42;04
Speaker 2
Yes, it's pretty cool.
00;30;42;07 - 00;30;59;24
Speaker 1
Yeah, it has been. I always talk about I tell people all the time, like, I always use Professor Taber on my reference to the point that he was like, you don't have to ask me. Just throw me on there. And that relationship that I've made with you has helped me so much with my life that's been so important to me.
00;30;59;26 - 00;31;07;03
Speaker 1
And so I was just really excited that I got to do this with you and, and help people learn a little bit more about you that maybe didn't get to have you in the classroom.
00;31;07;06 - 00;31;08;19
Speaker 2
So thank you.
00;31;08;21 - 00;31;15;22
Speaker 1
And your listeners. Make sure that you're tuning into Spotify, Apple Music, and everywhere that you get your podcast, and we'll see you next time. Thanks, guys.