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This podcast is dedicated to changing the automotive industry for the better, one conversation at a time.
Whether you're a technician, vendor, business owner, or car enthusiast, we hope to inspire you to improve for your customers, your careers, your businesses, and your families.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:00]:
That's right.
Bret Fadely [00:00:01]:
We love that stuff in the automotive field, right?
David Roman [00:00:03]:
Yes.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:03]:
That's why I buy $500 filters.
Mike Allen [00:00:06]:
Over and over.
David Roman [00:00:08]:
$500 filters.
Mike Allen [00:00:09]:
Okay.
David Roman [00:00:09]:
Why are they $500?
Lucas Underwood [00:00:12]:
The machine to filter out the $500. The main one is, like, $295, and then you got to buy the filters for it.
David Roman [00:00:20]:
The little yellow jacket on your AC machine? Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:24]:
Jacket that goes in line before the so you don't trash your machine.
David Roman [00:00:30]:
You just buy the big one that.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:32]:
Goes in the machine.
David Roman [00:00:32]:
I have, like, a Robin error Snap.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:34]:
On, and you're talking about the filter.
David Roman [00:00:36]:
That goes in the big black one? Yeah, the big tall black that filters.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:38]:
The refrigerant on the other side. It doesn't filter the refrigerant that's pulling in. You'll ruin your machine.
David Roman [00:00:42]:
My machine is still going strong.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:45]:
It won't for long.
David Roman [00:00:47]:
I think 2013.
Mike Allen [00:00:48]:
That sounds like the beginning of where you get a text message mid recording.
David Roman [00:00:51]:
Hey, boss.
Mike Allen [00:00:52]:
The AC machine.
David Roman [00:00:54]:
I bought that thing.
Lucas Underwood [00:00:55]:
I've got to tell you all some.
David Roman [00:00:56]:
Really interesting it's been my best purchase from Snap On by far. I hate their scanner. It sucks. That AC machine has been I've had the lift pressed down on top of it. I think I was propping up things at one point.
Mike Allen [00:01:13]:
Use it as a jack stand.
David Roman [00:01:15]:
Jack stand? I'm not kidding. It was a jack. It was holding up something. A bumper or something at one point.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:21]:
Listen, dear, we are only friends with two people in Snap On corporate, and they're the nicest, sweetest human beings ever.
David Roman [00:01:29]:
Cool.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:30]:
One of them is the vice president of Diagnostics for Snap On. So you just kicked him right square in Haas.
David Roman [00:01:36]:
The other one, I love their pass through device.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:39]:
The other one is involved with the I know.
David Roman [00:01:42]:
They don't make it, either. They don't make the AC machine. I think it's a robin.
Lucas Underwood [00:01:45]:
The only other one that we're friends digging the hole deeper, bro is in the ados department, Chuck, and so here you are. You're kicking him, too? Because you talk bad about that ados.
David Roman [00:01:59]:
Chuck, I didn't get a free ados machine. I had to pay. I'm still paying for that ados machine that I only use once a year. And, Chuck, you should have hooked us up. I'd been saying glorious things about you guys. Glorious things. I'd have been sending you all sorts of business.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:12]:
He's such a nice guy. I've not seen him in years. Because he doesn't get to go to years.
David Roman [00:02:16]:
We just saw him at Vision.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:17]:
What are you talking was he at Vision? No, he wasn't at vision.
David Roman [00:02:19]:
Yes. He was at Vision. I said hello. I'm nice like that. I say hello to people that we know.
Bret Fadely [00:02:25]:
Yes, you do.
David Roman [00:02:27]:
See?
Mike Allen [00:02:27]:
You're easily the most social of the duo.
David Roman [00:02:31]:
I didn't say that. Now you're just being stupid. I did not say that. We're here with Mike Allen, who likes to destroy hotel rooms.
Lucas Underwood [00:02:42]:
Hang on. I just want to show it to you.
Mike Allen [00:02:45]:
Do you have pictures of.
Bret Fadely [00:02:51]:
York, PA.
David Roman [00:02:52]:
In York, PA.
Mike Allen [00:02:54]:
When I think of York PA. The only thing I think of is driving up the interstate and there's the big dumbbell factory that's got the Bob Hoffman. Yeah, pretty cool.
Lucas Underwood [00:03:04]:
So this morning I wake up and I'm getting going, and I get down here and we're in our first recording, and all of a sudden my phone's going off. We're recording with Paul Danner. And so December says, oh, so here's a fun story. I woke up late because I forgot it's Saturday and I didn't set my alarm. I know, I know, I know. So anyways, I hear water dripping. It was the ceiling in my bathroom leaking and all my towels and in the shower and on my soap and on the toilet. So anyway, guys, I haven't showered and I look like a homeless person waiting for maintenance to get here.
Lucas Underwood [00:03:42]:
Mind you, I have not taken a shower. It's all wet in here. And she says I'm all grossed out. It dripped on my soap and my towels. Okay? So she sends all of these pictures and so I get on the hey.
Mike Allen [00:03:57]:
You'Re welcome for the discount on the room.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:00]:
No, they didn't even offer. They weren't even nice. They just moved her to a different room.
Mike Allen [00:04:04]:
They gave me like, free buffet.
David Roman [00:04:07]:
Hold on now, why would they give you you destroyed it.
Mike Allen [00:04:11]:
I did not cause it to overflow. Okay, so here's the deal, actually.
David Roman [00:04:16]:
Hey, by the way, honey, I don't.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:18]:
Know if you know this, but when you turn the water on and you walk away no, it shouldn't back up.
David Roman [00:04:24]:
Yeah, it shouldn't back up. Well, I understand that, but my sink doesn't drain either.
Mike Allen [00:04:29]:
And tanika her shower doesn't drain.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:32]:
I don't have hot water. I don't have hot water.
Mike Allen [00:04:35]:
I paid extra for that.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:36]:
I told him to turn it off.
David Roman [00:04:38]:
All this is going on to the first floor. And I said, make sure the first floor because I'll get hot water. And AC, if you go up to the penthouse suite, it doesn't get all the way up there.
Bret Fadely [00:04:48]:
Is that where Lucas is at?
David Roman [00:04:49]:
He's in the he's always no, this.
Lucas Underwood [00:04:50]:
Show doesn't love me like that. And so I go to get on the shower as all this is happening, and December's freaking out because she's Mr. First Class at this point, and all this stuff's going on, and I go to get on the elevator, fired.
David Roman [00:05:04]:
December, I don't care that you look like a homeless person. You know how much this place cost me? This is thousands of dollars. You get to that class.
Lucas Underwood [00:05:13]:
And so I get on the elevator and Tyson's on the elevator and he's like, oh, said what? He said, what are you doing? I said, I'm going to get Mike a tie clip. And he said, oh, okay. And he just smiles and he doesn't say anything at all. And we started up I'm like, man, one of my employees bathrooms got flooded, and it, like, dripped water all down in it. And Tyson just loses it.
Mike Allen [00:05:42]:
So I get up at 645, right? And I go, I have my morning ablutions, whatever you want to call it, and I turn the shower on. My phone starts ring. So I walk out. I take the phone call. Sun's coming up. I got a good view of the sunrise. So I stand there 20 minutes on the phone looking out the window and finally get off the phone call, turn around, and it's nice to steam up the bathroom.
David Roman [00:06:05]:
Yeah, nice hot shower. Sure. Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:06:07]:
I turn around, and first step from the window all the way across the suite, right, is in the water, standing water. The carpet has almost made it to the window all the way around the bed. There's standing water in the foyer. The water level across the threshold of the shower is level into the bathroom. It's like the shower is not draining at all.
David Roman [00:06:33]:
I don't understand. Is it that nobody told no one? Now I feel bad now because I didn't tell them on the first day because I'm trying to shave my head. I've got the water running, and it's like, that should drain. And then you turn it off. You wait for a second, you see bloop. Okay, well, that may be sitting there for a while. And I would have said something if it had been more than just, like, 1015 minutes, because that's how long it takes for a sink half a sink full of water to drain down.
Mike Allen [00:07:06]:
Well, when the maintenance guy finally got there, right, he didn't bring any towels or anything. He looks at me and goes, is this from the shower or the toilet?
Lucas Underwood [00:07:19]:
Well, so my toilet is not bolted to the my toilet's loose. Like, it's not secured to the floor, but that's nothing. Okay, so where were we? I think we were I told you about this. It may have been no, it was actually here when we were at the Embassy Suites. And so when you got here, right, this was for the Empowered Advisor class. We got here, went in, took a leak, and the toilet, as soon as I flushed it was clogged have really thick urine. Well, I think it was, like, already clogged when we got there.
Mike Allen [00:07:53]:
You need to check on your hydration level.
Lucas Underwood [00:07:55]:
And so I called maintenance, and he walks in and he flushes the toilet just as soon as he walks in. And the water comes up to the very top. And I'm like, don't worry, it won't overflow. I was like, I've already done this once. It doesn't make it all the way to the top and then overflow. It'll be okay. And this dude, without thinking about it as it gets to the very top, takes his plunger and doesn't realize it's going to displace all the water in the toilet. He takes his plunger and goes like this, and he's like, oh, God, along.
David Roman [00:08:30]:
With all your urine.
Lucas Underwood [00:08:32]:
He's like, that is not what I thought would happen.
Mike Allen [00:08:35]:
What did you think he skipped that day in science class? Yeah.
David Roman [00:08:42]:
He didn't make it.
Mike Allen [00:08:43]:
That he might have skipped that year.
Lucas Underwood [00:08:45]:
And all years he was super nice about it. This dude's walking out with piss stained I felt so bad because he's in here, like, trying to mop it up. He's like, I'll send housekeeping as much.
Mike Allen [00:09:00]:
Soda and Red Bull and stuff that you drink. It was probably, like, bright orange, too.
David Roman [00:09:04]:
It probably was bright orange.
Lucas Underwood [00:09:08]:
It was diluted by that point because most of it ran across the floor.
Bret Fadely [00:09:11]:
With excess water along with the squishy carpet as he's walking on it.
Lucas Underwood [00:09:15]:
Oh, my God.
Mike Allen [00:09:17]:
When I left the room. So I had a 09:00 breakfast, off site meeting with someone else, and, well, I'm going to wear gym shorts and a hoodie, right? And I head out still, like, smelling, like, vodka sweat from the previous night. You have your flip flops. I was wearing UFOs.
David Roman [00:09:33]:
Yes.
Mike Allen [00:09:36]:
Anyway, and it was out into the hallway, like, squish, squish, squish, walking down the hallway away from my room. So I've now moved to a new room, slightly less humid.
Lucas Underwood [00:09:48]:
The president of the association, everyone.
Mike Allen [00:09:53]:
Sorry, I didn't know I had to check the plumbing before I left the shower run.
David Roman [00:09:59]:
These are just growing pains, dear. It'll be fine. They'll fix the AC next year.
Mike Allen [00:10:04]:
I'm willing to have questionable plumbing to have as much more space as we have this year.
Lucas Underwood [00:10:08]:
Oh, yeah?
David Roman [00:10:09]:
Is it that much more space?
Mike Allen [00:10:10]:
Yeah, it's significant.
David Roman [00:10:12]:
Is it really? It doesn't feel like it's some more space.
Mike Allen [00:10:14]:
We got 20 more classes this year than we had last year.
David Roman [00:10:17]:
Oh. Like individual rooms.
Mike Allen [00:10:19]:
And the aisles in the trade show are, like, 2ft wider than they were last year.
David Roman [00:10:23]:
The trade show was massive, and we.
Lucas Underwood [00:10:26]:
Didn'T even fill it up as full as we could have filled it up because we had that one class, the Wolfer.
Mike Allen [00:10:32]:
The.
David Roman [00:10:34]:
Yeah. So that was a Turo car. Did you know that?
Mike Allen [00:10:39]:
Yes. Seth is like, that's a story right there right now.
David Roman [00:10:43]:
Why they find out?
Mike Allen [00:10:44]:
Because the owner is getting alerts that the car is in service mode. And he's like, hey, at 1130 last night, we're out casino Night. And he's like, hey, what's going on with the car? And he checks its location, right? And it's not in the hotel parking lot. It's in the hotel, and it hasn't moved for a day, and it's been in service mode.
Lucas Underwood [00:11:06]:
Yeah, Seth told me about that, about, I don't know, lunchtime yesterday. And he's like, that car is not in your name, is it? And I said no. He said that's good. And he just walks off. And Justin comes by a few minutes.
Mike Allen [00:11:16]:
Later, and he's like, you know the surround cameras, right? So he can log in and see images.
David Roman [00:11:23]:
Right.
Lucas Underwood [00:11:24]:
If it's in service mode, he logs.
Mike Allen [00:11:25]:
In and sees a disassembled Tesla drive unit on the floor next to the car. It's not out of his car because Seth had shipped a drive unit down to pull apart and show the guts and put back together. Right. The guy thinks that we disassembled his car, and he's furious. Justifiably so because he doesn't know that we didn't.
Lucas Underwood [00:11:47]:
Didn't they tell him that that's what we were doing?
Mike Allen [00:11:49]:
I mean, maybe.
David Roman [00:11:54]:
We have video, right? Who rented the car?
Mike Allen [00:11:59]:
She who shall not be named.
David Roman [00:12:01]:
Okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:02]:
So it's not really our problem. It's fine.
Mike Allen [00:12:05]:
I'm pretty sure that she'll never be allowed to use Turo again. Right. Now, we were told by Turo that we needed to go take it for a 30 minutes drive and it have no error or fault code so that we could prove that it hadn't been damaged.
David Roman [00:12:22]:
But the owner of the vehicle and I wouldn't have told him anything anyway.
Mike Allen [00:12:31]:
But he got alerts his car was in service mode.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:34]:
Yeah, I probably would have if it were me, I probably would have said, hey, why don't you come to this class and learn about your.
Mike Allen [00:12:44]:
Have? What we should have done is we should have just borrowed someone's Tesla that we knew that was an owned car.
Lucas Underwood [00:12:49]:
So next year, Mike's going to own a Tesla.
David Roman [00:12:52]:
Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:12:52]:
I'm just going to have a cyber truck. That's what I'm going to do next year.
David Roman [00:12:55]:
No, no cyber truck.
Mike Allen [00:12:57]:
I'm sorry.
David Roman [00:12:58]:
What are you driving? Ford.
Mike Allen [00:13:01]:
I drive a silverado trail boss.
David Roman [00:13:06]:
You don't seem like a Chevy guy. You look like a Ford guy.
Mike Allen [00:13:10]:
I was looking on Bolton at my most profitable cars in the database. F 150 by a long shot. I love those things.
David Roman [00:13:20]:
I do, too. But the reason that is is because they sell a million and half a.
Mike Allen [00:13:25]:
Year, and they all have some needs.
David Roman [00:13:27]:
Well, that's true of every truck, but they don't sell a million and a half Dodge trucks. Trust me, if they did.
Lucas Underwood [00:13:37]:
They don't make Dodge trucks anymore.
David Roman [00:13:41]:
Rams. Whatever.
Mike Allen [00:13:42]:
What was the legal wrangling reason for them to break standards?
David Roman [00:13:45]:
Yes.
Bret Fadely [00:13:46]:
I thought yeah, put all those trucks in my area in Pennsylvania, in the Rust Belt? Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:13:52]:
They don't last long enough to start develop mechanical issues.
Bret Fadely [00:13:55]:
They just fall apart sometimes. Just makes the working on them a little bit more difficult.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:03]:
It's rusty where we're at, too.
David Roman [00:14:04]:
Is it?
Lucas Underwood [00:14:05]:
Yeah.
Bret Fadely [00:14:06]:
That's because they're all coming.
Mike Allen [00:14:07]:
Yeah, but like in a three county area only. Just go east.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:11]:
Oh, yes, Mike. I work on all the cars out of the other counties.
Mike Allen [00:14:15]:
Hey, man, you're not in the Rust Belt.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:18]:
I'm lucky enough. I work on a lot of college.
David Roman [00:14:20]:
Student to and they're from Pennsylvania.
Lucas Underwood [00:14:24]:
No, I'm saying I don't have to work on the cars that are I.
David Roman [00:14:26]:
Don'T know how you guys do it other places.
Bret Fadely [00:14:28]:
What's that?
David Roman [00:14:28]:
I'd just quit. I'd go do something else.
Bret Fadely [00:14:31]:
Oh, there's been days I just want to quit and put for sale, but then the next day it's, no, I.
David Roman [00:14:37]:
Wouldn'T come back for the punishment because it's not even like, I'm going to work on this car and something stupid is going to happen. I'm going to have a fault. No, it's like, hey, I need these three cars done today, and this is just a wheel bearing. And then the wheel bearing turns us 7 hours later, and hey, everything is rusted into one big ball because it's a Jeep Liberty. And did you know those Jeep Liberties will turn the hub axle, everything fused into one piece together into a one ball of rust? And so you're thinking, hey, it's just a wheel bearing and I should be able to heat this thing up, knock it loose, and no. So you're buying that entire, you know, Naples full knuckles now? I have no idea the quality. I don't think they're they're a Nap Auto Care Center. I don't believe anything you say, but I'm just going to assume you're going to say something nice.
David Roman [00:15:32]:
I don't know the quality, but that's interesting.
Mike Allen [00:15:36]:
They're in significantly better condition. The quality is significantly better than what.
David Roman [00:15:40]:
You take off than the OE.
Lucas Underwood [00:15:43]:
Well, I mean, they look like they're.
David Roman [00:15:44]:
Epoxy coated or painted or something.
Lucas Underwood [00:15:47]:
There's two terms involved with that. There's quality and there's fitment. Okay? Whether or not you can get the bolts in it and everything lines up like it's supposed to is a different story altogether.
David Roman [00:15:57]:
Chunk of metal. I mean, how bad could it be? I'm worried about the wheel bearing because you put all this thing together and then drives down the road and six months later, the wheel bearing is going.
Mike Allen [00:16:11]:
Now, you can just replace a bearing.
David Roman [00:16:12]:
Because you replace but I'm angry that I even have to it's six months later. This is ridiculous. They go on the do not buy ever again list.
Mike Allen [00:16:21]:
That's why you just have a 30 day warranty.
David Roman [00:16:24]:
Is that the secret? Is that how you can afford a cyber truck?
Mike Allen [00:16:28]:
I have a five year 50,000 miles warranty, sir.
David Roman [00:16:30]:
Oh, boys.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:31]:
And I tell you what, why is.
David Roman [00:16:32]:
That with the shop fix?
Lucas Underwood [00:16:33]:
Former shop fix brother.
David Roman [00:16:37]:
The name of the business is Car.
Mike Allen [00:16:39]:
Fix and it predates shop Fix.
David Roman [00:16:41]:
I believe you, but I'm 2005.
Mike Allen [00:16:44]:
Look it up, buttercup.
David Roman [00:16:46]:
I'm just saying, what's with the shop fix or former shop Fix going to five year 50,000.
Lucas Underwood [00:16:51]:
Oh, man, you ought to see the terms and conditions of that sucker.
David Roman [00:16:54]:
Is it really just go to my website.
Mike Allen [00:16:56]:
They're on there. They're posted.
David Roman [00:16:57]:
Is it the same as the shopfix shops?
Mike Allen [00:17:00]:
I don't know what theirs are. I was in Shop Fix for six months, and I learned stuff and I took stuff and I integrated some stuff. I couldn't make it to Nashville as often as they needed to go. And I think that's the for me, a lot of the value that I saw in it was going to the meetings in Nashville. And if you're not going to do that, then why?
David Roman [00:17:19]:
What's the point?
Lucas Underwood [00:17:21]:
Stefane says that shop fix for him is motivation and Elite is practice. That Elite is the knowledge and the ability to actually implement and do the things he needs to do. But shop fix is just a motivational.
Mike Allen [00:17:35]:
That's part of my experience, is that shopfix is getting over your mental sabotage and believing that you can do it. Believe in yourself. Right. And Elite is know your numbers. Don't make excuses, dude. Don't say that you're a baller because we see your numbers and we know that you're not. So all of my elite brothers watching this know that I'm not a baller. I just wear a fancy suit because I want to live up to your standard.
David Roman [00:18:04]:
They also look like a nice suit.
Mike Allen [00:18:06]:
I got it from your clothier, the one that you recommended.
Lucas Underwood [00:18:08]:
Yeah, well, so here's the deal, is that they don't know my numbers, and they also know I'm not a baller. But I will tell you, that elite meeting that we went to, that is no joke. That is legit, real deal stuff.
David Roman [00:18:23]:
They had one speaker that you're just.
Lucas Underwood [00:18:25]:
Like, no economics, no facilitator of our.
Mike Allen [00:18:30]:
20 group that he was talking about. Well, he does that every year.
David Roman [00:18:33]:
I've just found that it doesn't take very much to impress Lucas. Do you know how nice people are? Here to you. They call me your sidekick, but they're super nice to you. Hey, where's your sidekick? He's staying behind me. Poke my head out. Hello.
Mike Allen [00:18:57]:
I would tell you that you've been the most outgoing that I've ever seen you this week.
David Roman [00:19:02]:
Oh, no, not at all. I've been intentionally avoiding people here.
Mike Allen [00:19:06]:
I think you always intentionally avoid people.
David Roman [00:19:08]:
I do, but some places are worse than that.
Lucas Underwood [00:19:11]:
You know why, right?
David Roman [00:19:13]:
Ratchet and wrench. Boy, I made it. It was 15 minutes, me walking through snaking through there, and the people that were there in 15 minutes, I'm like, no.
Mike Allen [00:19:27]:
I've heard it wasn't hard to avoid people at Wretched and Wrench.
David Roman [00:19:32]:
It was hard to avoid people because there weren't that many there. So it was very obvious when the one person goes no, throws his hands up and walks out the back.
Mike Allen [00:19:44]:
So you have anonymity in the crowd?
David Roman [00:19:47]:
Yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. You go to Vision, there's 8000 people there. You don't see anybody. You might pass somebody on the escalator and that's it. Give them the head nod. But here it's harder to hide.
Mike Allen [00:20:02]:
I feel like this is like the perfect size.
David Roman [00:20:04]:
Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:20:05]:
It takes a long time to walk across the hotel because you're stopping to have conversations because there's so many friends here. Yeah, that's what I got out of.
Bret Fadely [00:20:12]:
Coming down here last year for the first time, getting the camaraderie and the networking.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:16]:
Do you know why he has seemed so much more engaging and active this time.
Mike Allen [00:20:21]:
Prozac.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:22]:
Well, that helped a little bit. Not much. The Xanax helped, too.
David Roman [00:20:26]:
He just doesn't take pills. I don't take pills.
Mike Allen [00:20:28]:
Better living through pharmaceuticals.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:29]:
No, look, all these people got on the AST, ch chat, ch group and everything else, and they started saying, like, hey, David really likes hugs. And so everybody make sure if you see David, you give him a hug.
Mike Allen [00:20:43]:
It's true.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:44]:
And so David's got a lot of hugs this week, and he's I don't.
David Roman [00:20:49]:
Think I've gotten a one.
Mike Allen [00:20:50]:
It changes your chemistry.
David Roman [00:20:51]:
I got one from Long hugs. I think that was it.
Lucas Underwood [00:20:54]:
No, you got one right out here at the corner just a little bit ago.
Mike Allen [00:20:57]:
You want to pause the recording and just do a hug right now?
David Roman [00:21:00]:
That was Jeff. Jeff who was giving out the hugs.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:03]:
You seem to enjoy it.
David Roman [00:21:04]:
I didn't get a hug from Jeff. I give him the crazy eyes.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:09]:
Who was it that hugged you right here at the corner just a little bit ago?
David Roman [00:21:12]:
Nobody hugged me. I'm telling you. Nobody. You I didn't get a hug. I got a half hug from Tanika, and I got a hug from Monique, and that was it.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:24]:
I know better. I know better.
David Roman [00:21:26]:
I did get a hug from a dude. Hold on. I'm trying to think. There were two dudes that hugged me. It was traumatizing. I can't remember their names now.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:36]:
That was right here at this corner.
David Roman [00:21:37]:
No, it wasn't just now. I'm not saying just now.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:40]:
This was earlier today.
Bret Fadely [00:21:41]:
Oh, earlier you when we first met on Thursday. I thought I gave you a half hug.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:47]:
The old bro hug.
David Roman [00:21:48]:
The bro hug's. Okay, I'm cool with the bro hug. Oh, Mario. Mario gave me a bro hug.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:53]:
Oh, and he patted you on the back and rubbed you on the back a little bit.
David Roman [00:21:55]:
That's okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:21:56]:
It's very endearing.
David Roman [00:21:58]:
Mario's cute. It's okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:22:06]:
Mike Allen, what do you think of ASTE 2023?
David Roman [00:22:10]:
That is the most boring question ever. What is he supposed to say? It's trash. It's terrible. The water didn't drain in my shower. I've flooded out several people.
Mike Allen [00:22:22]:
It didn't flood my I mean, all.
David Roman [00:22:24]:
My I had to go to my important breakfast meeting and flippy flops.
Lucas Underwood [00:22:30]:
He would have gone to that and flippy flops.
David Roman [00:22:32]:
No, no. He wears this fancy suit because I'm.
Mike Allen [00:22:35]:
Trying to live up to the Lucas standard.
David Roman [00:22:38]:
I thought you guys made a pact to look like idiots.
Lucas Underwood [00:22:41]:
I forgot to mention that he didn't know he was in the bag.
David Roman [00:22:45]:
I just told him later that, hey, we're wearing suits.
Mike Allen [00:22:49]:
Lucas called, like, a board meeting. A month and a half goes, hey, look, all you sons of bitches, you need to be dressed nice and look nice.
David Roman [00:22:57]:
You know why he did that? Because he feels stupid being the only one in a jacket and everybody else.
Mike Allen [00:23:02]:
Is wearing a nice polo.
David Roman [00:23:06]:
A polo at best.
Mike Allen [00:23:08]:
Why didn't you tell me this four days ago? Every single sport coat I own has been worn in the last four days.
David Roman [00:23:16]:
I thought you guys had made this pact where you're like, we're going to try to raise the standard, which I don't get at all. It's just the most absurd thing ever. But I think he likes wearing the suits.
Mike Allen [00:23:29]:
He likes looking.
David Roman [00:23:31]:
I mean, when he wears his cargo shorts and his polo, he looks nice.
Bret Fadely [00:23:37]:
I seen Keith at said, well, I believe sometimes Lucas has it on in his shop.
David Roman [00:23:44]:
Yeah.
Bret Fadely [00:23:45]:
You're out there and you got the coat on.
David Roman [00:23:46]:
That's only on photo day. On the photo day when he wants to look like he's yelling at one of his employees and it makes it his Facebook profile. You've got the I've been evicted. The evicted one.
Lucas Underwood [00:24:02]:
That turned out really well.
David Roman [00:24:04]:
The evicted?
Lucas Underwood [00:24:05]:
Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:24:06]:
What a turning. What is? US being children making fun of a situation into a great windfall. That's awesome.
Lucas Underwood [00:24:15]:
Dude, you wouldn't believe the number of checks Scott Palava got over that because like all those shirts, they donated all the money from it to ASOG.
David Roman [00:24:22]:
I got mine upstairs. Yeah, that's nice.
Lucas Underwood [00:24:25]:
That's pretty awesome.
Mike Allen [00:24:27]:
It was funny hindsight, I mean, knowing how badly injured your back was when that happened and knowing the adrenaline coursing through your body.
Lucas Underwood [00:24:38]:
Yeah. I had just seen him and we're going to this event. It happened on Thursday and the event's on Tuesday. We're walking up to the event and Mike looks at me and he stops and he turns and he says, how much pain are you actually? And I'm like, enough.
Bret Fadely [00:25:00]:
Yeah, thanks, brother. I told you about my problems. You never said a word to me.
David Roman [00:25:05]:
That's because his I didn't almost die.
Lucas Underwood [00:25:07]:
Yeah, and then keep smoking cigarettes after the fact. Oh, here we go.
David Roman [00:25:13]:
I asked him, I said, at what age do you just stop ignoring any reasonable medical advice and decide, I'm never going to die, I'm good forever bulletproof. Yeah. And apparently it's 51. I didn't know. 55. 55. Well, you look like you're 51, so congrats on that. A couple at least.
David Roman [00:25:38]:
So it's 55 then. Apparently you decide that's okay, I'm okay having heart attacks. I'm going to keep doing what I was doing. How old are you?
Mike Allen [00:25:49]:
I am 44.
David Roman [00:25:50]:
44. So in about eleven years or are you just doing that now? Are you just ignoring all medical advice or do you just not go to the doctor? That seems to be a theme.
Mike Allen [00:26:00]:
I'm in a bulk up stage right now. I'm bulking.
Lucas Underwood [00:26:03]:
Yeah, so am I.
Mike Allen [00:26:04]:
Well, six years ago in Elite, in my peer group, we were all sad fat bastards like we tend to be. And we agreed that we needed to do something different and we needed motivation. So we put together in a pool and had this big wager. Six months, winter takes all. And I lost 62 pounds in six months.
David Roman [00:26:26]:
That seems unhealthy.
Mike Allen [00:26:28]:
Yeah, it was extremely unhealthy. The way in which I did it now naturally ensuing five, six years, I've gained it all back, plus some. Right?
David Roman [00:26:40]:
It wouldn't take me five or six years to gain 60 pounds.
Mike Allen [00:26:44]:
I wasn't intentional about gaining it back.
David Roman [00:26:46]:
Right.
Mike Allen [00:26:46]:
But at my most recent 20 group meeting, we were in Vancouver, and we were talking about the fact that we were all just as big as we had been, if not bigger. And we have new victims to suck into our unhealthy wagers now. So everybody put a sizable chunk of money in a pot, and we were weighing in on October 15.
David Roman [00:27:05]:
Oh, so you're trying to bulk up.
Mike Allen [00:27:08]:
I've gained three pounds in the last.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:09]:
Three weeks after AST you probably gained ten more.
Mike Allen [00:27:13]:
No. You've been walking so much, man, you burn it off. I'm going to go home and drink a gallon of melted vanilla ice cream just to get the most efficient fat absorption.
David Roman [00:27:22]:
It's just a milkshake. You know that, right?
Mike Allen [00:27:24]:
It sounds more gluttonous when I say it that way. Don't ruin me, man. Come on.
Lucas Underwood [00:27:33]:
So I won't bore everybody with the story again about the dude on the plane, but the dude on the plane.
David Roman [00:27:39]:
That I what if this is the first episode somebody's ever heard ever, and they don't realize they're going to tell the story 17 more times on the next 17 episodes?
Lucas Underwood [00:27:50]:
Tired of telling the story anyway, I rode back on this plane with this dude, and he talked a lot. Now, his wife was a pediatric dentist.
Mike Allen [00:28:01]:
I know one of those.
Lucas Underwood [00:28:02]:
And she just sold, or is in the process of trying to sell her practice to a very similar company as.
Mike Allen [00:28:10]:
Another one that you know, that M A waves coming.
Lucas Underwood [00:28:14]:
And so long story short, he explains that he knows this other dentist that owns all of these dentistry companies, and it starts with an M. You know what I'm talking about? And so he's telling me about this dude and how he's getting a divorce, and he says, Son, I'm going to tell you what, if you're going to lose that kind of money, a man should never get married. I'm like, how much money is it that he's losing? He's like he's like, It's a lot of money. He's like, It's a lot of money.
Mike Allen [00:28:49]:
And I'm like incredible volumes of money. Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:28:52]:
He's like, we're talking over the millions right now. We're talking, like, giant chunks of money.
Mike Allen [00:29:00]:
I think I believe that. I know the organization you're speaking of, and they're doing between ten and $15 million of revenue a day.
David Roman [00:29:08]:
Yeah. A day.
Lucas Underwood [00:29:09]:
Yeah, day.
Mike Allen [00:29:12]:
And she's been with him since he got out of dental school and helped.
Lucas Underwood [00:29:17]:
He created a really interesting business model.
David Roman [00:29:20]:
Right?
Lucas Underwood [00:29:20]:
Like a very are you saying that's.
David Roman [00:29:22]:
The shop fix of dentistry?
Lucas Underwood [00:29:25]:
I don't know. I don't know how any of that works, but he's like, I guess it's that. The orthodontist are fed by the pediatric dentist, and he has his hands in all of the different and the real estate.
Mike Allen [00:29:38]:
And he builds these Taj Mahal facilities. And the dental office is on the first floor, and there are offices on the second floor and the third floor, and the grounds are like, event venues because they're like mansions, like wedding parties.
David Roman [00:29:54]:
I've driven by some of those places and wondered they can't be doing that many cleanings to pay for all that.
Mike Allen [00:30:01]:
The cavity Castle.
David Roman [00:30:03]:
Nice.
Mike Allen [00:30:04]:
Yeah, it's nice.
David Roman [00:30:05]:
So it is like the shop fix of dentist. You can't avoid that, though. You don't know. Look at Jeff Bezos. Did he know he was going to be worth $300 billion or whatever ridiculous number he's got?
Lucas Underwood [00:30:18]:
Did you watch the song?
David Roman [00:30:19]:
You know what got him? What got him was the chick that he hooked up with.
Mike Allen [00:30:25]:
That's usually how that works, how divorces happen with rich dudes. The chick that they hook up with gets them zinger.
David Roman [00:30:32]:
But here's the problem, though. I mean, he had a thing going there, and then this chick shows up and she's like, you're with me now. And he's like, okay. And then he just took off with her. And it wasn't even like you get.
Mike Allen [00:30:50]:
To a certain point, you're like, 150,000,000,000 whatever. Then, I mean, I guess he can do that, right? I give up.
David Roman [00:30:57]:
That there are pictures, dear. There are pictures.
Mike Allen [00:31:01]:
I got my first ever listen, dear.
Lucas Underwood [00:31:03]:
I didn't say listen. Give him the sticker.
David Roman [00:31:06]:
Give him the sticker. What's that?
Lucas Underwood [00:31:08]:
It's the one all the way next to the little ones. Right? Yeah, right there.
David Roman [00:31:13]:
There are pictures of Jeff Bezos, the woman, the new wife.
Mike Allen [00:31:20]:
She's not even that.
David Roman [00:31:22]:
I mean, she's she's well put together.
Mike Allen [00:31:25]:
Who cares?
David Roman [00:31:26]:
Artificially.
Mike Allen [00:31:28]:
Who cares?
David Roman [00:31:29]:
Yeah, I know. She's bionic. Yeah, apparently. Anyway, there's Jeff Bezos with his droopy, man boobs, this very well put together.
Mike Allen [00:31:39]:
Older woman, non droopy, man made boobs.
David Roman [00:31:43]:
Everything's, like, very well placed in all the right spots. Like, very well and then this adonis of a man standing next to him. That is like the yacht boy or the friend. It's the woman's boyfriend is what it is. Yeah, exactly. You know what's going on there? I think we all know what's going on there.
Mike Allen [00:32:08]:
I mean, you're connecting some dots, but the dots are really close together.
Bret Fadely [00:32:13]:
What do they call that? But I don't think I could say it on your recording.
Mike Allen [00:32:18]:
This is like a cable show.
David Roman [00:32:19]:
I don't understand, though. Don't say it. Don't say it. Earmuffs children ear muffs.
Lucas Underwood [00:32:26]:
I'm saying, hey, you know the Donut Operator, the video I was showing you earlier? Like, every time that an automatic weapon fires, you hear the duck sound. And so that's what we should get. We should get a duck sound for every time somebody says a curse word. I'm going to need you to listen.
David Roman [00:32:43]:
To every he may not be into it. He's subjected to it. That's what I'm saying.
Mike Allen [00:32:49]:
There's no way that he doesn't know what's happening.
David Roman [00:32:51]:
He knows what's happening, but I don't think he has a choice. I think she's telling him, hey, this is what's going to go down.
Mike Allen [00:32:57]:
Do you think she's controlling him?
David Roman [00:32:59]:
Yes. 100%. 100%.
Mike Allen [00:33:03]:
So the real question here, like, the real thing that we need to be talking about is why in the are we talking about this? We're talking about Jeff Bezos'love life.
David Roman [00:33:15]:
It's interesting. What's that?
Bret Fadely [00:33:19]:
It's content.
David Roman [00:33:20]:
He doesn't get it. He doesn't understand I'm ignorant. So here's the thing that hurt my feelings. Good, because I was into the conversation. And then he's like, why are we talking about this? This is stupid.
Bret Fadely [00:33:33]:
It's just like the first time I sat in here, we talked about palmetto bugs.
Lucas Underwood [00:33:38]:
Look, here is the first time that anybody has ever given back what he gave. Hey, you should turn around and apologize to December.
Mike Allen [00:33:49]:
He doesn't know that I'm the perpetrator.
David Roman [00:33:52]:
I told my hotel.
Mike Allen [00:33:53]:
Yeah, you told everyone. I'm walking across the hotel and people are, hey, how'd your shower go?
Lucas Underwood [00:33:58]:
That was actually Tyson.
Mike Allen [00:34:00]:
That wasn't me.
David Roman [00:34:01]:
Squish, squish, squish.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:02]:
So my wife sends me this video, and we'll watch, like, soft white underbelly and stuff like that you've never seen on YouTube. Holy cow.
David Roman [00:34:13]:
That sounds like Normie. YouTube. That's weird.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:16]:
It's not Normie YouTube. He interviews these people who are criminals and people who do really crazy stuff and really successful people.
David Roman [00:34:26]:
Okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:26]:
And so he interviews one of the most successful divorce attorneys of all time, and he's like one of the things that stood out to me was he's.
Mike Allen [00:34:34]:
Like.
Lucas Underwood [00:34:37]:
Where'S the prenup? You know what I mean? Like, why if you're getting married and you have $2 billion, why would you not have a prenup? And he says he's got this older client, and he's like, we're on the 7th marriage. And he's like, each one of these is costing millions and millions and millions of dollars. He's like, you know you don't have to marry them, right? He's like, you can just like but.
Mike Allen [00:35:00]:
It'S true love this time.
David Roman [00:35:02]:
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. The second one. The second one doesn't make sense.
Mike Allen [00:35:07]:
A lot of people need to practice marriage. They get married too young. They don't know what they don't know, and they figure it out. But I think if you go through two, then it's giving me crazy eyes.
David Roman [00:35:16]:
Are you only a second marriage?
Mike Allen [00:35:17]:
No, I've only been married once, but I waited. I didn't get married early.
David Roman [00:35:21]:
Well, I didn't either.
Lucas Underwood [00:35:22]:
Makes more money than he does.
Mike Allen [00:35:24]:
Did for a long time. I finally eclipsed her, mostly because she works less now.
David Roman [00:35:29]:
There you go. A practice marriage. You understand that? You get up there in front of your family, friends, and God Almighty and say, till death do us part. But not this one, because this one's the practice one.
Mike Allen [00:35:43]:
I understand it.
Lucas Underwood [00:35:44]:
Lord Almighty, I'm going to give it a dry run.
David Roman [00:35:47]:
I understand. Give this a dry run. God, I could see it's fine.
Mike Allen [00:35:52]:
Golf at me through the window any moment now. That's what I've been texting with. I've been texting with my wife.
Lucas Underwood [00:35:58]:
She's said, but what I've been texting with. You said, that's what I've been texting with.
Mike Allen [00:36:03]:
Did I just objectify my wife on recording? I'm going to need you to edit that out and I'll send you a check.
David Roman [00:36:11]:
Get a check. We can make that happen.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:14]:
Now all of a sudden, my talent doesn't make more than his wife does.
Mike Allen [00:36:19]:
I have to send my residual checks back to you guys just to make.
David Roman [00:36:22]:
Sure that I'm just saying I don't understand. If the first one doesn't work out and something happens or whatever, it's justified. Not justified. It was what's it called? Irreconcilable differences.
Lucas Underwood [00:36:34]:
Just practice.
David Roman [00:36:35]:
Well, if it doesn't work out, one.
Mike Allen [00:36:37]:
Party takes it seriously and the other one doesn't. And the other one is Philandering. Okay.
David Roman [00:36:43]:
Philandering. Okay, fine. 100% Philandering. Definitely. If you are committed and the other person decides that they want to go hook up with other people, fine. You want to get out of the marriage, that's fine.
Mike Allen [00:36:56]:
You should be able to marry someone else again. If you find somebody else that you love and want to be with.
David Roman [00:37:01]:
If you were philandered.
Mike Allen [00:37:03]:
If you were philandered. But not Philandering.
David Roman [00:37:05]:
Doing the philandering. Yeah, if you were not doing the Philandering. But I'm saying for people that separate over things that aren't Philandering, anything else, and some of it is just like, oh, we weren't right for each other. What the hell does that even mean? Why'd you get married? Dude, I'm telling you, get out of the relationship.
Bret Fadely [00:37:24]:
I'm not even going to get in this conversation because I'm on my second anyway.
Mike Allen [00:37:28]:
Practice marriage.
Lucas Underwood [00:37:33]:
This man is the marriage.
David Roman [00:37:36]:
Look, you should go watch this video. I'm just saying you should go watch his second marriage. Doesn't make any sense, man.
Mike Allen [00:37:43]:
He pointed, like, three or four decent reasons for divorce when it gets to three or four.
Lucas Underwood [00:37:49]:
So that's what I was getting ready to say.
Mike Allen [00:37:50]:
Not three or four marriages standpoint.
David Roman [00:37:54]:
There's only one. Religiously there's only one one infidelity that's.
Mike Allen [00:38:00]:
It what about abuse? Abuse? It's not allowed.
David Roman [00:38:02]:
Yeah, well, religiously it's only one.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:05]:
Now, you can't beating David and he's.
David Roman [00:38:08]:
Not letting well, no, you can leave. You just can't remarry. If you want to get out of the relationship and say, well, I don't want to be with this person because they're beating me or whatever, you can leave the relationship. You just can't remarry.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:20]:
So this dude brought a ton of very insightful perspective to the whole thing. And one of the things he was talking about is he said, I got in the habit of every single couple that got a divorce. He said, I got in the habit of saying, did you know, was there a time when you knew it was over. And I thought, he talks about some foul stuff in there. I'm not going to throw all that in there. But one of the things he said was he said I asked a woman that and she said, yeah. She said as long as we had been together, she said he had gone. She said, I had this specific kind of granola that I liked and he had picked up that bag of granola for me.
Lucas Underwood [00:38:59]:
If he saw it was low or we were running out of it, he'd pick it up and put it in the shelf. I never asked him to do it.
Mike Allen [00:39:06]:
He's just being nice, right?
Lucas Underwood [00:39:07]:
And she said one day it stopped and he never did it again. And she said, I knew that was.
Mike Allen [00:39:13]:
The day, because he still noticed that it was the most absurd he still knew that it was her granola and he still saw it on the shelf and he chose not to pick it up.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:21]:
She set the bag out on the table, even, eventually, and she set it out and he never got the granola.
David Roman [00:39:27]:
That is so petty.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:28]:
Also, it wasn't anything to do with the granola. I get it.
David Roman [00:39:33]:
But if you feel that all of a sudden, you're like, oh, he doesn't care about me anymore because he won't buy me my granola, just bring it up.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:39]:
That is absolutely not what he was. And they had that conversation, but he said what? That was the point of what he.
David Roman [00:39:50]:
Yeah, I found a more well put together woman and she told me, I'm with her now.
Lucas Underwood [00:39:56]:
Is that what you do?
Mike Allen [00:39:56]:
You think Jeff stopped buying the granola?
David Roman [00:39:58]:
Jeff stopped buying the granola? No, Jeff told her. It's like, hey, I can't be with you because my girlfriend is going to get.
Mike Allen [00:40:07]:
I mean so we've come back to Jeff now. That was my fault. I brought it back to Jeff.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:11]:
You did this. You did this.
Mike Allen [00:40:13]:
I'm sorry, David.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:14]:
I didn't mean to you know, one of the most powerful David Rants I've.
David Roman [00:40:18]:
Ever was I'm not insulting you. He's giving me crazy. Sorry.
Bret Fadely [00:40:25]:
No, dude, I'm telling you what, my second wife, if I would have met her the first time, I never would have been divorced.
David Roman [00:40:34]:
I believe you. The moral of the story, it happens. I understand it happens. The message I'm trying to send out is, don't get married.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:47]:
You're very sensitive to this and it riles you up. I will never forget he sent me.
Mike Allen [00:40:52]:
A range from a faith based perspective.
Lucas Underwood [00:40:55]:
Because on top of faith based perspective.
Mike Allen [00:40:57]:
I mean, you want to have sex, right? So you kind of need to get hitched.
David Roman [00:41:01]:
Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:41:02]:
Technically, it's really fun. So you should get married.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:07]:
He does have a blow up doll that he packs in his suitcase.
Mike Allen [00:41:11]:
I love OOH. And some blow up sheep.
David Roman [00:41:16]:
Sorry.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:17]:
If we're going to make it something.
David Roman [00:41:19]:
Make it a sheep. At least I don't want to be unfaithful. The sheep. It's just a sheep.
Mike Allen [00:41:26]:
It's just a humble farmer.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:30]:
You're hurting the sheep. Yes, I am hurting the sheep. No, not hurting the sheep. I'm hurting the sheep.
David Roman [00:41:40]:
There was a Christian philosopher in the.
Lucas Underwood [00:41:45]:
300S from Love OOH to Christian philosophy.
David Roman [00:41:49]:
There was a Christian philosopher in the 300s. His name was Origin and he didn't want to be tempted with the urges. You know what he did? Self castrated.
Mike Allen [00:42:00]:
Well, I'm sure he had antibiotics back then, right?
David Roman [00:42:03]:
To make in 300? Yeah, sure. Yeah. He did what he had to. I'm just saying you do what you have to. He was committed. That's commitment, I think. Stupid. Why?
Mike Allen [00:42:16]:
I'm sorry. Listen, aren't you Catholic? What about me gave you the Catholic vibe?
David Roman [00:42:22]:
I don't know. It was the red hair and freckles.
Mike Allen [00:42:25]:
The heavy drinking and the heavy drinking?
David Roman [00:42:28]:
Yeah. I thought you were Catholic. I thought you were.
Mike Allen [00:42:31]:
I'm Southern Baptist, baby.
David Roman [00:42:32]:
Are you really?
Mike Allen [00:42:33]:
Well, I'm not a good Southern Baptist. I'm a backro Baptist.
David Roman [00:42:40]:
A back rub, back row Baptist.
Mike Allen [00:42:44]:
Rub Baptist. That's different. That's new.
Lucas Underwood [00:42:47]:
That's kind of like a Catholic priest.
David Roman [00:42:51]:
Catholic priests were given the back rubs.
Mike Allen [00:42:57]:
Oh, my God. You know, the difference between a Catholic and a Baptist is when I'm at the liquor store, I can say hi to the priest. I can't say hi to my preacher. So you're not allowed to know each other at the liquor store when you're Baptist?
Lucas Underwood [00:43:10]:
That's exactly right.
David Roman [00:43:10]:
What it is. Yeah.
Lucas Underwood [00:43:11]:
You can't do that. You don't do that.
David Roman [00:43:14]:
Anyway, all I'm saying is, if you believe it to the T with your heart of hearts and marriage is not going to happen. You don't want something to put your soul at risk. You will chop those mother effers off. And now, you may be shaking your head, but you also forgot the section of the Bible where Jesus explicitly says that if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out because it's better for you to go with one eye.
Mike Allen [00:43:50]:
Can you lose?
Lucas Underwood [00:43:51]:
You need to borrow it.
David Roman [00:43:52]:
Yes. What's that?
Lucas Underwood [00:43:54]:
I got my pocket knife. You need to borrow it.
David Roman [00:43:56]:
I'm married.
Lucas Underwood [00:43:58]:
I'm just asking. We don't want you to sin.
Mike Allen [00:44:02]:
What are the things that can cause you to lose your salvation? Any sin.
David Roman [00:44:07]:
Yeah.
Mike Allen [00:44:08]:
So then you have to be absolved. So are you Catholic, then?
David Roman [00:44:10]:
I guess I'm not.
Mike Allen [00:44:11]:
No. What are you?
David Roman [00:44:13]:
I'm Christian. Catholics are not Christians. I'll fight about it. Anybody can come.
Mike Allen [00:44:18]:
I'm not going to fight you about that. I'm a Baptist. Catholic.
David Roman [00:44:21]:
I'm going to get so many messages, I'm not going to get any angry.
Lucas Underwood [00:44:26]:
That's going to cost us.
David Roman [00:44:27]:
Lucas is going to get angry messages. That's okay.
Bret Fadely [00:44:31]:
I'm just keeping quiet.
David Roman [00:44:39]:
The Baptists do believe that once saved always saved that once you salvage what.
Mike Allen [00:44:44]:
I was raised on, and I'm not a theologian, so I'm not well versed.
David Roman [00:44:49]:
Unfortunately, it's well refuted and very easily over. And over and over again. The problem is nobody opens their Bible. I'm at a funeral, my wife's uncle dies. And the guy gets up there and he's giving the eulogy and he's just rattling on and on, everybody's crying. And I am looking at things theologically and just shaking my head, and this guy is not a clue what in the hell he is saying. He's just picking out feel good random verses.
Mike Allen [00:45:32]:
Verses?
David Roman [00:45:32]:
Yeah, feel good random verses. And he was baptized at three days old. And I'm like, Dude, what the hell?
Bret Fadely [00:45:42]:
I could see Dave. You'd be a good preacher, man.
David Roman [00:45:44]:
I could see it.
Mike Allen [00:45:46]:
No, I think you'd be a decent preacher.
David Roman [00:45:49]:
There is a brimstone fire and brimstone is not a bad thing necessarily to preach fire and brimstone. But here's the thing. There's a passage in the book of James and it says that it's better for you not to teach because teachers are held to a higher standard, and I are judged more harshly than non teachers. So it warns, don't, it's better for you not to be because you will be judged more harshly.
Bret Fadely [00:46:17]:
I'm Lutheran, and I've actually run services at my.
David Roman [00:46:23]:
You I would refer to you to that passage in James that says it's better for you not to be a teacher, especially if you're going.
Lucas Underwood [00:46:30]:
To continue to smoke cigarettes.
Bret Fadely [00:46:32]:
Here we go.
David Roman [00:46:33]:
There's nothing October there is nothing tomorrow in the Bible that says you cannot smoke.
Bret Fadely [00:46:38]:
But you guys are telling me you guys are spreading the word.
David Roman [00:46:41]:
What is telling you not to smoke is that heart attack you had.
Mike Allen [00:46:45]:
Wait, you've already had a heart attack?
David Roman [00:46:47]:
He had a heart attack and you still smoke? And he tried to light up three weeks. He tried to light up in the hospital and they're like, you can't smoke in here. And he's like, I do what I want.
Bret Fadely [00:46:55]:
Last month.
Mike Allen [00:46:56]:
For real?
Bret Fadely [00:46:57]:
For real.
Mike Allen [00:46:58]:
This is kind of a dumb ass move, Doug.
Bret Fadely [00:47:01]:
I know. Okay, October 1. That's tomorrow.
Mike Allen [00:47:04]:
You're a grown man. You're a grown man. You can make your own decisions.
Bret Fadely [00:47:10]:
And I wasn't going to have kids.
David Roman [00:47:12]:
Yeah. I have three. Yeah, think about them.
Lucas Underwood [00:47:15]:
They were like, damn, I ain't getting my inheritance early.
Mike Allen [00:47:21]:
His insurance is only good for another three years. Hurry up, Paul. Light up. Light up.
Bret Fadely [00:47:26]:
No, it was already on the plan that try and quit them.
David Roman [00:47:31]:
There's no try and dear.
Bret Fadely [00:47:34]:
Do or do not.
Mike Allen [00:47:36]:
Was it? Jordan Peterson. Twelve rules. It was like the second or third rule. It starts with take your damn medicine.
Bret Fadely [00:47:44]:
Yeah, which now I got to take.
Mike Allen [00:47:46]:
We will not.
David Roman [00:47:47]:
You don't want to get drunk.
Mike Allen [00:47:48]:
That we know we need to do to cure ourselves. Yeah, well, I mean, if you remember.
David Roman [00:47:56]:
The twelve rules I didn't even finish the book. I think I got to rule nine and got bored with the book.
Mike Allen [00:48:01]:
You noticed that I quoted one that was like three.
David Roman [00:48:06]:
I remember number one easier. Clean your damn room. Yeah, number one is good, but that's as far as I can remember. I cannot remember the rest of them.
Mike Allen [00:48:14]:
Well, I think the concept of dominance hierarchies is pretty interesting, and I think it's real, right.
David Roman [00:48:23]:
That's grounded in just reality, pragmatism and not that any of his stuff isn't. It's just I think he I don't know. He's fun to listen to, to a certain point. But then he had a sit down interview with Douglas Murray. You familiar with Douglas Murray?
Mike Allen [00:48:44]:
Oh, yeah. Hitchhiker is a guide, right? No, that's Douglas who wrote douglas Murray.
David Roman [00:48:51]:
Wrote War on the west and some other books.
Mike Allen [00:48:54]:
No, I do not know.
David Roman [00:48:56]:
He's English, and he has this cadence to his voice, and it's so cool. He's so cool.
Mike Allen [00:49:03]:
I just started talking about no, no.
David Roman [00:49:06]:
It'S not an ASMR. Kind of just the way he talks. He's super smart and he's well educated, and it just flows out of him so smoothly. But then you have Jordan Peterson, and it almost felt like he was trying to go toe for toe with the insightful comments with Douglas Murray. And Douglas was very relaxed. He was just kind of talking, talking, and Jordan almost wanted to he felt.
Mike Allen [00:49:42]:
Like he was a competition.
David Roman [00:49:44]:
Yeah. He's like, Well, I got to keep up here, and if I don't, I'm going to look.
Mike Allen [00:49:51]:
Brand now.
David Roman [00:49:52]:
Well, that's where you're like, okay.
Lucas Underwood [00:49:54]:
Yeah. When that happened, it became much more difficult. Like his old stuff, his original videos.
David Roman [00:50:01]:
The ones in his classroom.
Mike Allen [00:50:02]:
Lecturing.
David Roman [00:50:03]:
Lecturing in his classrooms. Oh, that stuff is great. But you watch his newer stuff, that interview in particular, because Douglas was like.
Mike Allen [00:50:11]:
Well, I just added it to my watch list on YouTube, and I just subscribed to soft white underbelly.
David Roman [00:50:16]:
Nice.
Lucas Underwood [00:50:17]:
Hey, seriously, go go watch that one with the divorce attorney.
David Roman [00:50:21]:
It isn't so intriguing not to get.
Lucas Underwood [00:50:24]:
Divorced or you know, it sounded so much like the rant. And that's what I was going to say a minute ago. It sounded so much like the rant that you had over that situation a while back, and David had the most thoughtful dude, I opened my Facebook messenger, and I probably have 250 voice messages, and he's talking about cars, and he's like, you can have a 2004 Kia Optima. And it has been loyal to you. It has been reliable. It has ran, it has performed like it's supposed to. And he said, I can see this need if it's not broken down, it doesn't make sense, but I can see this need or this want to trade up to something grandiose. So I'd love to have a Ferrari.
Lucas Underwood [00:51:12]:
I'd love to have this thing. But I can't see some of the things that some of these people have done when they've traded up for something lesser. In other words, like that loyalty, that reliability that that car brought you and that stability that car brought you has value and you know what you have, man? This cat goes on for every bit of an hour and 45 minutes in Facebook.
David Roman [00:51:40]:
He isn't exaggerating.
Lucas Underwood [00:51:41]:
I saved him.
David Roman [00:51:42]:
You want to hear it, don't? I don't know what I said. I'm sure it was stupid.
Lucas Underwood [00:51:47]:
No, it was brilliant. But so he's talking about, like, Gary.
Mike Allen [00:51:52]:
Like 75 2nd clips.
David Roman [00:51:55]:
Keep them under a minute. I don't use it anymore. I've gotten to the point I can't do it. I got to do voice the text.
Lucas Underwood [00:52:02]:
So he's talking about short gary Vaynerchuk. And he said it seems he upgraded.
David Roman [00:52:08]:
His Gary Vaynerchuk's new wife, a girlfriend or whatever.
Bret Fadely [00:52:12]:
Is she bionic?
David Roman [00:52:15]:
She's all natural, dear.
Mike Allen [00:52:17]:
Do you think the Vaynerchuk online, the genetic wave has been bad for entrepreneurism or for, like, the hey, don't get off topic. Been I think he's toxic to a degree.
Lucas Underwood [00:52:33]:
I could see that.
David Roman [00:52:34]:
What part, though?
Mike Allen [00:52:36]:
It's like you just fucking outwork everybody.
Lucas Underwood [00:52:39]:
You just go hard.
David Roman [00:52:42]:
Yeah, but I think the people that are taking that to heart are only getting the 30 to 45 2nd clips that they see on TikTok and not his longer form stuff where he's talking about you have to put time aside. You have to shut it down. I think the most toxic part is the content creation, the speed and the quantity of the content creation. He's going 100 miles an hour and just pumping content out.
Mike Allen [00:53:10]:
Well, and that's the only portion that I see is the short little clips, because I see him and I kind of roll my eyes and I move on. So I don't ever want to dig in deeper to what he's producing.
David Roman [00:53:19]:
You didn't read his back in the day, his books crush it?
Mike Allen [00:53:23]:
No, it's only so much time for so many books, man.
David Roman [00:53:29]:
Really?
Mike Allen [00:53:30]:
Yeah. That's how I picked up my wife, was over book recommendations. It's a horrible story, but she was in the waiting room of my dad's shop when I was just a service advisor, and I walked over to her and said, hey, what are you reading? And it was the Red tent. I don't know that book, but I read books, too.
David Roman [00:53:54]:
Smooth.
Mike Allen [00:53:55]:
Smooth. He's gotten better.
Lucas Underwood [00:53:57]:
He's gotten better. He's a little bit smoother now.
David Roman [00:54:01]:
With his wife?
Lucas Underwood [00:54:02]:
No, with everybody. He's convinced tons of people he can fold blimps.
Mike Allen [00:54:06]:
That's spectacular. It's the best. That's maybe my best fake job.
Lucas Underwood [00:54:10]:
Yeah, I don't know. The shopping cart alignment tech is shopping cart wheel balancer. Yeah, that's what it is.
David Roman [00:54:17]:
That's interesting. Anyway, what were you saying, Vaynerchuk?
Lucas Underwood [00:54:22]:
No, I'm just saying that you were comparing Vaynerchuk and you were, you know, here he is. He's got this family. He's got this wife that's been loyal to him, been time.
David Roman [00:54:32]:
That's the worst story. Vaynerchuk abandoning his wife, and that's two.
Mike Allen [00:54:36]:
So so why do I want to go read his stuff then?
David Roman [00:54:38]:
I know, but I didn't know he was that level of a dirtbag. Because you go back just a year, and he's in the media just praising his wife and talking about how she has held down the fort and she has helped raise his two children while he's out there making his millions and making his mark in the world. And the only reason why he was able to do that is because he had the love and support of his wife at home taking care of his.
Lucas Underwood [00:55:02]:
Two kids, and he traded it in.
David Roman [00:55:03]:
For and he traded in for a Ferrari. It's a Ferrari, dear. It's a Ferrari. And he is a busted yugo. So, you know, she ain't there for anything other than the fact that the yugo happens to be completely packed with money.
Mike Allen [00:55:19]:
It's a solid gold busted yugo.
David Roman [00:55:21]:
It's not solid gold. It's just filled with dollar bills to the brim. But it's still a busted yugo. And I'm sorry, I'm a busted Yugo and a Ferrari came at like, I know it's a Ferrari, and I get the appeal of the Ferrari, but at some point you got to go, you're not here for me, you're here for the money. Like you can't be that blind.
Mike Allen [00:55:46]:
Yeah. These are smart men, typically men, right? These are smart men who have been hugely successful in everything they have ever done. Do they become a cult of personality in their own mind and think that they're just that good and they're that.
David Roman [00:56:04]:
Charming and that is completely ignoring the mirror.
Mike Allen [00:56:10]:
Ego is dangerous, right?
Bret Fadely [00:56:12]:
Very dangerous.
David Roman [00:56:13]:
The mirror?
Mike Allen [00:56:16]:
Or are they just like, he doesn't.
David Roman [00:56:17]:
See the weird hair and the contortions and wrinkles?
Lucas Underwood [00:56:23]:
Hang on.
Mike Allen [00:56:23]:
Are they laying in bed late at night thinking, yeah, I'm a very pretty.
David Roman [00:56:27]:
Man, he's just this pretty man, I'm just that good looking.
Mike Allen [00:56:31]:
In the quiet moment, do they have the conversation that you're just saying and then they say it's worth it?
David Roman [00:56:38]:
I don't know.
Mike Allen [00:56:39]:
I think that has to be it, right? They have to make a value judgment that they want the pretty girl more than they and they're willing to sacrifice or understand that they're being used because they're using the pretty girl for her pretty girlness.
Lucas Underwood [00:56:52]:
It's more sensitive to David for lots of reasons, and I don't know all those reasons, but I think it bothers you more. I think the effects that it has.
Mike Allen [00:57:03]:
I think you're a high principal guy.
Lucas Underwood [00:57:04]:
Well, and here's the thing, is that it seems to revolve around kids. The thing that upsets David, like, he can be okay with those children.
David Roman [00:57:14]:
Those kids are ruined. You were not from a divorced house. Were you from a divorced house?
Mike Allen [00:57:22]:
No, you I'm just from a very healthy household. It was abnormally healthy.
David Roman [00:57:27]:
It's like, okay, well, mine was not at all. I remember being twelve years old, twelve years old with dad not being around and that whole thing, the situation. And dad wasn't around a lot. Turns out dad was flandering a lot.
Bret Fadely [00:57:46]:
I'll fill in with because I am divorced. It was hard.
David Roman [00:57:50]:
How old were your kids?
Bret Fadely [00:57:52]:
My youngest was five. My oldest were 910.
David Roman [00:57:56]:
Okay. The nine and ten year old, you like, you remember that impact? It was still hard, but young.
Bret Fadely [00:58:01]:
Fortunately, my ex wife and I, who were we were split. We were very amicable with each other, and we worked together to keep the kids. And I think as they got older, they saw it wasn't a marriage that was ever going to last, and it was actually better that we split. Sure, yeah. I understand where you're coming from, but it's how your parents will make it work and how it's perceived by the.
David Roman [00:58:28]:
Children, and I'm sure your situation ended up working out nicely. I'm just saying that 9999 out of 10,000 times, it does not end up that way.
Mike Allen [00:58:41]:
No, and I'm not has lifelong effects.
David Roman [00:58:43]:
It does. It has lifelong effects.
Bret Fadely [00:58:45]:
It changed them.
David Roman [00:58:45]:
For example, you become a 43 year old man, ranting against divorce on Randall podcast in North Carolina because you see the effects it has on your kids. I'm just telling you, I understand the appeal of the Ferrari. I understand. He had lived his entire life. He's 48 years old, and you look in the mirror and you go, I have no shot in hell. I don't care how tight that six packs are. I don't care how good I think I can make myself look with plastic surgery. There's no shot in hell with this woman.
David Roman [00:59:34]:
And then this woman approaches him and says, hey, I want to hook up with you. And he's like.
Lucas Underwood [00:59:40]:
Okay.
Mike Allen [00:59:42]:
His answer is, Hell, yeah, let's do this.
David Roman [00:59:46]:
And I can understand it, but at some point, those children have to come across his head, and all of a sudden, it cannot be worth it.
Mike Allen [00:59:58]:
I think they live in a world where they're surrounded by yes men and yes women, and they are the center of their own universe.
David Roman [01:00:05]:
That little voice inside your head, they.
Mike Allen [01:00:07]:
Always think about there. They don't think about it. They're so wrapped up in the cult of their own personality that they can't.
David Roman [01:00:15]:
Walk down up here and see my kids. I told him this. You see the kids running around, and I'm like, oh, man, I miss my kids.
Lucas Underwood [01:00:23]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:00:25]:
So he's never around. Any hate keep all children away. Children between 1114, I think, is when those kids were that age. Keep them all away from me because they might remind me of my kids, the fact that I banned them for this Ferrari here.
Mike Allen [01:00:38]:
You're applying your personal values and sense of right and wrong to other people, and that's a mistake. Maybe he's a psychopath.
Lucas Underwood [01:00:51]:
Does it bother you and I don't want to overstep a bound here.
David Roman [01:00:59]:
Does.
Lucas Underwood [01:01:00]:
It bother you because you know how that feels.
David Roman [01:01:05]:
Yeah, to an extent, I think it does. I think the problem is the effect on the kids. We heard the story from Ford boss, Me, when. That podcast comes were Dave and I.
Lucas Underwood [01:01:24]:
Were both over here trying to dab our eyes.
David Roman [01:01:27]:
It's rough.
Lucas Underwood [01:01:28]:
It's harder than the I would say it's harder than the story at the ASOG dinner last night.
David Roman [01:01:34]:
Yes. Oh, by far.
Bret Fadely [01:01:36]:
That one hit me, bud.
Lucas Underwood [01:01:37]:
Yeah, dude.
David Roman [01:01:40]:
This one's rough. It's rough. And you're listening to that story and you're thinking, because he's a grown ass man now, but you're thinking of the kid, that little boy who's just getting beaten to all hell and the injustice of it. You see what I'm saying? Like, no fears. There are no child deserving. Children are innocent. To a certain age, they're innocent. They do not deserve it, ever.
David Roman [01:02:10]:
I don't care how horrible the little child is. That's the parent's fault. So the child's innocent and they're subjected to this psychologically. Just the optics of having your famous dad, who you probably I'm listening to this one book, cameron Haynes, I think is the guy's name. He's a bow hunter, like super ultra marathoner or whatever.
Mike Allen [01:02:37]:
He's on the Rogan podcast, right?
David Roman [01:02:39]:
He's been on the Rogan podcast a few times, yeah. He talks about his dad was an Olympian and how much he looked up to his dad, who they divorced. Dad was a drunk, turned into this whole thing. And his childhood growing up, he didn't have it as bad as some of these other people you listen to, and you're like, oh, man, that's much worse. His childhood wasn't nearly as bad. But you can hear the pain in the story of what he put himself through just to be around dad, who had taken off because he couldn't make it work, with the wife because he was a drunk and mom was trying to make things work. And then she ends up remarrying. And now there's a stepdad involved and all of that.
David Roman [01:03:25]:
And at the end of the day, Dad's the hero. Dad's always the hero. And in Gary Vaynerchuk's world, dad's the hero. I guarantee you. And dad just stabbed him in the back for a Ferrari.
Mike Allen [01:03:43]:
Means Dad's not a good person and dad shouldn't be.
David Roman [01:03:45]:
Dad is not a good person, but his actual legacy is not the 8 million pieces of social media content. That's not his legacy. His legacy are his children.
Bret Fadely [01:03:59]:
You're right.
David Roman [01:04:00]:
And what are going to move on past him? Because that's his blood. That's his lineage. You see what I'm saying? 100%. And he pissed all over it. Over a Ferrari with nice tits. It doesn't make any sense. Yeah.
Mike Allen [01:04:19]:
I've been married, I don't know, 15 years, I think, give or take. Yeah, 15 years. This is 15 years.
David Roman [01:04:27]:
That did not come off. That was not smooth.
Mike Allen [01:04:31]:
No, she wasn't standing right behind me, but she's always said from day one, she said, I love you. I'll be with you forever. The only two things that are ever going to make me go away is if you raise your hand at me. I think that's reasonable, and if you cheat on me. And my going response was always, don't worry, baby, there's no lady out there that's worth half of my shit. And she updated me a couple of years ago. She said, don't forget it's half of your shit and access to your kids.
Lucas Underwood [01:05:05]:
Well, hey, that divorce attorney I was telling you about in that video, that's one of the things he said. He said, you will never find. He said, in the United States of America, there is no more binding contract than marriage. And he goes through why it is. He goes through the logic behind marriage. He goes through what marriage meant and why there was marriage in the States, and he explains why it was such a binding contract.
David Roman [01:05:28]:
All of a sudden. I want to listen to this. That sounds interesting.
Lucas Underwood [01:05:31]:
So he explains. He said when marriage was put on the table, he said most women died in childbirth. And he said most people.
Mike Allen [01:05:42]:
Most.
Lucas Underwood [01:05:44]:
He said, many. Some, yeah, some.
Mike Allen [01:05:46]:
Well, more than now.
Lucas Underwood [01:05:50]:
He gives you statistics. He explains it. And he goes out and he explains that because the age of death or the life expectancy was so low that that wasn't that big of a deal, but he said there is no more legally binding contract. You will not find anything. He said, there's nowhere that you have that powerful of a contract in life than a marriage. He said, you will not find anything anywhere. He said, I've been doing it for 30 years. He said, you'll find no stronger legal.
Mike Allen [01:06:17]:
Contract than marriage, but your Max Care Service contract, oh, yeah, that one's pretty.
David Roman [01:06:24]:
Tight, let me tell you.
Lucas Underwood [01:06:25]:
But he goes on, and he explains the whole way through. And he explains how so many people have given up so much just for being unwilling to accept their differences, being unwilling to waver just a little bit or to think through something. If you get a chance to sit down, watch. It's a phenomenal video. He really pours it all out. They typically do 20 minutes videos, and this video is like an hour and two minutes long.
Mike Allen [01:06:51]:
I feel like that sends you down the rabbit hole of researching the underlying factors that are leading to the increase in divorce rates.
David Roman [01:07:02]:
No fault marriage, no fault divorce. They implemented. Look at the statistics. No divorce, no divorce. No divorce. No fault divorce gets allowed. Giant spike of divorce. It just shoots up to the moon, because all of a sudden, you can get out of marriage for whatever the hell reason you wanted to.
David Roman [01:07:25]:
It wasn't infidelity, and you had to prove it not, and on and on. You didn't have to do any of that. Now you could just say, we don't get along. Yeah, we don't get along. We're getting out of this marriage. And then as soon as the government allowed it and people get out for whatever reason they wanted to, because before that, there would be infidelity. They stayed in the marriage.
Mike Allen [01:07:45]:
So you think there was, like, an immediate spike after that?
David Roman [01:07:49]:
Look it up.
Mike Allen [01:07:49]:
It feels like it's continued to creep upwards. Right, because it's more than half now, right?
David Roman [01:07:53]:
Yeah, it's like 55.
Bret Fadely [01:07:54]:
There's some people that walk around and say, oh, yeah, I've been married three, four, five times.
Lucas Underwood [01:07:59]:
Well, they wear it like a badge.
Mike Allen [01:08:00]:
How many people have you seen that make the joke, oh, that's going to be my next ex wife? Yeah.
David Roman [01:08:06]:
That's creepy.
Lucas Underwood [01:08:07]:
I want to point something out to you.
Bret Fadely [01:08:09]:
All right?
David Roman [01:08:09]:
I'll give you the statistics. By the way, it's like 55% of marriages end divorce. 80%. I think the number is actually 78% initiated by the woman. It ain't the man leaving.
Lucas Underwood [01:08:22]:
Yeah, and he points that out in here. But look, see how they all have 170,000 views, right? Look at this. Wait until you get down to this dude down here. Let's see if we can find you.
David Roman [01:08:35]:
We're building this up here.
Bret Fadely [01:08:39]:
I'll know I'll never get divorced again.
David Roman [01:08:40]:
Because if I do, 3.1 million views on this one.
Bret Fadely [01:08:44]:
If I ever have to go, somebody's dying, and it won't be me.
David Roman [01:08:51]:
You won't be divorced again. But if she decides she's going to leave, it's just going to leave. Like I said, 78% of the divorces are initiated by the woman.
Bret Fadely [01:09:00]:
And like I said, it ain't the guy leaving with my wife now.
Mike Allen [01:09:03]:
It's usually because she can leave. She doesn't have to stay with him, drinking and beating her and taking her money.
David Roman [01:09:09]:
That ain't the reason why, dear.
Mike Allen [01:09:10]:
What do you think the reason is?
David Roman [01:09:12]:
They can leave, take half his shit and have the children, which gives her leverage.
Mike Allen [01:09:18]:
Well, maybe he kind of deserves it if he's beating her, sleeping around on her.
David Roman [01:09:24]:
I think the incidence of social of domestic violence are much lower than you actually think.
Mike Allen [01:09:31]:
Yeah, I have no idea.
David Roman [01:09:33]:
Much lower than you actually think. They're probably minuscule, and I think there's probably just as much the other way. It just doesn't get reported.
Mike Allen [01:09:41]:
Yeah, because it's embarrassing to say that my wife beats my ass.
David Roman [01:09:45]:
Yeah, it's embarrassing. There's a social stigma there, and I don't think anybody would take it seriously.
Lucas Underwood [01:09:51]:
But some of us like that. You didn't have to bring Eric Schmidt into the conversation.
David Roman [01:09:58]:
Poor fella. Eric Schmidt?
Lucas Underwood [01:10:01]:
Yeah.
David Roman [01:10:02]:
Why do you say that? She beats him.
Mike Allen [01:10:06]:
Only on the anniversary and birthday. Father's Day.
David Roman [01:10:14]:
All right.