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Welcome to "This is Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness" your source for insightful discussions with economist and author, Dr. Murray Sabrin. Join us as we challenge convention, expand minds, and pursue truth.
Dr. Glenn Goro (00:03.682)
Welcome to This Is Health, Welliness, your source for insightful discussions with economist and author.
Murray Sabrin (00:11.8)
Dr. Murray Sabran. Join us.
Dr. Glenn Goro (00:14.36)
As we challenge convention, expand minds and
Murray Sabrin (00:17.528)
Pursue truth.
Murray Sabrin (00:29.654)
Welcome to this episode of Health, Wealth, and the Pursuit of Happiness. I'm Murray Sabrin, B A, A Ph D. There's no BS in my background, never has been and never will be. And today I have the great pleasure of interviewing Dr. Glenn Jero for full disclosure. Glenn and I have known each other for nearly 40 years. I've seen his career start as a naturopath. And now let me give you an introduction. And remember, anything that any of our guests says.
Is some information that you could use, discard it, speak to your healthcare provider, speak to your financial advisor, because our goal here is to improve your health, increase your wealth so you can best pursue your happiness as you go through life's journey. So let me introduce my guest, Dr. Glenn Jero, who's a birth b board certified naturopathic doctor with a doctorate in nutrition.
He has earned three master's degrees and over 20 certifications in various disciplines of natural health and lifestyle medicine, including those in medical exercise, biofeedback, mind-body behavioral therapies, botanical medicine, and holistic healing. Dr. Glenn is also a reg a registered herbalist with the American Herbalist Guild. He has completed extensive postdoctoral training at Harvard Medical School and continues to pursue over 600 hours of study.
Every year in various disciplines of science, psychology, and integrative medicine. He's also held executive medical published publishing positions with several journals. He's also served as a regional vice president of the American Heart Association. Dr. Jero has been in practice in Clifton for over 25 years at the Holistic Naturopathic Center. His books are The Health Paradox, Why We Struggle to Stay Well and How to Beat the Odds, and his most recent book, Stress and Anxiety, Unlocked.
are now available on Amazon, in print and Kindle editions. Welcome, Dr. Jero.
Dr. Glenn Goro (02:30.923)
Murray, thank you very much for having me. I appreciate it. This is fun.
Murray Sabrin (02:36.686)
Well, when I decided to put together a podcast, I said to myself, one of the first guests I gotta have on is Dr. Glenn Jero because of your knowledge, your incredible understanding of the human body and how to have how to get better health, which is everything that I think everyone is seeking in life, because we know that health is one of the most important things you can have in life. You can be
Unhealthy and wealthy, and what good is that if you cannot enjoy the fruits of your labor and investments, and if you're really healthy, no matter how what your net income is or what your net worth is, you're gonna have a much more fruitful life. So let's get let's get started with so people who don't know what naturopathic medicine is. Glenn, can you give us a a brief understanding of the difference between what you do as a naturopath doctor and a medical doctor?
Dr. Glenn Goro (03:28.874)
You know, it reminds me of a of a joke that I've heard many years ago. You know, medical doctors are the only profession that can tell a woman to take off all of her clothes and then send the bill to her husband.
Murray Sabrin (03:44.907)
Ha ha ha.
Dr. Glenn Goro (03:46.422)
See I I I don't do that. But
Murray Sabrin (03:50.69)
So tell us what you do. Tell us what you do and how you differ from a medical doctor.
Dr. Glenn Goro (03:54.262)
You know, the the other metaphor is if you're driving your car down the highway and all of a sudden the check engine light comes on in your car. You get concerned, you pull it into the first fancy garage you see, and you tell the mechanic, my check engine light is on, and that's happens to be MD Garage. So they bring the car in the back and they snip the wires to your check engine light.
And you get the car back and your check engine light is off and you think everything is fine. What you didn't realize is down the road there was a not so fancy garage. It was called ND, Naturopathic Doctor Garage, where they actually would have diagnosed exactly what was the root cause that contributed to the check engine light coming on in the first place. So essentially
Medical doctors are trained to treat symptoms. If you have high cholesterol, let's give you a medication where your liver's not producing cholesterol, lower your cholesterol. Where if you go to a naturopathic doctor or a holistic or a functional doctor, they want to be able to ascertain what is contributing to the high cholesterol. And is the high cholesterol really a consequence?
That is going to affect your long term health. Because what I'm looking at is I'm looking at the the the the the real all of the related attributes that make up what is health and what is what what is what what is the a potential issue. So instead of just saying, well let's let's nip
something in the bud by giving a medication, I want to look at all of the underlying lying issues that contribute to good and poor health.
Murray Sabrin (05:51.99)
Let's let's step back a little bit. What specific training did you have to become a nature path doctor?
Dr. Glenn Goro (05:57.998)
Well, I started studying natural health when I was twelve. So that's when I I started reading everything I could on nutrition and exercise and so that goes back jeez, it's sixty six sixty seven years of sixty seven years of study. But I have a lot of formal education. in addition to my MBA, I I
Murray Sabrin (06:14.574)
On time.
Dr. Glenn Goro (06:26.602)
I I went back to school and I took every conceivable course I could to make sure that I was armed with the information that I needed in order to be able to speak about speak about health. But you know, the issue the issue is today it's not it's not information. We are in an information boom. We call this collective learning. We are the only life forms on earth that
that that can access collective learning. And it's not information, it's sustainability. And what my but the impetus for writing my first book, The Health Paradox, not to get into that right now, is is we we basically have the information. We know what we do, what we should do. We know we should be eating more fruits and vegetables, avoid refined grains as much as possible, limit our sugars and our bad fats. But
Why don't we do? We don't exercise. We we sign up for a gym membership in January. We're paying an annual an annual a monthly membership to a gym, and by February 10th, we stop going because we revert back to our comfort zone. So this is this is what I do to be able to coach people to to sustain their health to stay out of program where a medical doctor is going to
merely give somebody a drug just to suppress a problem, which may not necessarily be a problem in the first place.
Murray Sabrin (08:00.472)
Leads me to the to the next question. Take us through an individual who may come to you with one of several issues. Let's take one that's common in America. Forty percent of American adults are obese. Someone comes to you, Glenn, and they're fifty, a hundred pounds overweight, whatever the case may be. What how would you address their issue? Because they want to lose that weight because of all sorts of
adverse consequences we know from diabetes to cardiovascular problems to p potential cancers. So what do you b how do you begin tre quote treating that patient or that client? Well
Dr. Glenn Goro (08:36.919)
First thing I wanna know is what are they willing to do?
Okay. So I'm not treating obesity, I'm treating people. I'm treating people that are that are carrying excess weight. And I want to find out, number one, what is their desires? What are their values? Do they really want to lose weight in the first place? And they may be calling out because a family member says you've you've got to go to this doctor because he can help you and they're coming in ki kicking and screaming.
And they don't really want to lose their weight, lose the weight. They don't want to give up their comfort foods. But I also want to be able to find out what they are willing to do. And that is an important question because that indicates whether they are ready to initiate a program that's going to put them on a good path. So it's not just about giving somebody a a drug to help them lose weight. It's really all about.
Trying to find out are they willing to cut their calories? Are they willing to start an exercise program? And sometimes you have to scare people, and sometimes you have to really work with them and and appeal to what their true values are. I had a fellow that came to see me, he was 430 pounds, and he had three three sons and three young sons, and I asked him, I said, Would you like to see your sons graduate high school?
He says, well well if well of course. I said, well the way you're going, you may not be able to do that. And he lost he lost about 150 pounds. I put him on a on a program that he felt he could sustain, and that made a huge difference. I had another fellow that
Dr. Glenn Goro (10:33.798)
he came in, he was 263 pounds at 5'7. He wanted to lose weight because he hadn't seen his brother in in about six months. And he says, in another six months, I want to see my brother for the first time because he moved from new from New Jersey to Florida. And he says, I want to I want to surprise him. I do not want to tell him I'm on a diet. I want I don't want to tell him that I'm losing weight. He lost 90 pounds when he first saw his.
brother in Florida, his brother did not recognize him. It gave him so much satisfaction. He was so, so, so excited. This is a fella that is his family owns a Mexican restaurant. So he could raid the refrigerator anytime anytime he wants and Mexican food is not the healthiest food. So he had a drastically change his lifestyle. He had food in front of him all the time.
He was a waiter in his family's restaurant. So I asked him, What do you want to do? He says, I I gotta get in shape. I said, Do you want to only get in shape just to see your brother? And he had to make that acknowledgement because after he saw his brother and he looked good and he got all these accolades, unfortunately he put on of the ninety pounds that he lost, he put about fifty pounds back on.
So then he had to come back to me and we had to start over again. But he had to reestablish what his true values are because that was brother already saw him thin and his family was giving him all of these all of these wonderful compliments.
He needed he needed a reason to sustain his health.
Murray Sabrin (12:27.31)
Let's pursue this a little bit further because this is really the key question here is people have these chronic illnesses. I think half of America half of adult Americans have two or more chronic illnesses. Some have three, four, or five. They're taking a dozen half a dozen or more pus prescriptions. So when someone comes to you and they're already seeing a doctor with and they've had pr pr prescriptions to deal with whatever issue they're dealing with.
How do you address their issues and do you work with their doctors in order to get that person back to optimal health?
Dr. Glenn Goro (13:00.556)
Sometimes, oftentimes I will call up their medical doctors. Sometimes they're they're they're acceptable, the fact that I'm I'm a naturopathic doctor, sometimes they're not. And it really depends. It's it's sometimes an uphill battle. But let's let's talk about what the what the problems are in this country. First of all, the United States makes up about four and a quarter percent of the world population. We consume forty to fifty percent of the revenue.
The worldwide revenue of the pharmaceutical industry. So of the 4% of our of the population that makes up the entire world, we're consuming 40 to 50 percent in revenues of the of the of the drugs. Yet, this is according to the Journal of the American Medical Association. This is really interesting. Up to 40%.
Dr. Glenn Goro (13:58.474)
Of the leading causes of death heart disease, cancer, unintentional injuries, chronic respiratory disease, and stroke, up to forty percent are attributed to lifestyle implementations, such as smoking, poor diet, physical inactivity, and excessive use of alcohol. Yes.
Murray Sabrin (14:23.692)
Let me just interrupt you for a second. I d this is really I think the key of why people are critical of the healthcare situation in America. If we have all these w smart doctors that went through medical school, internships, residencies, and we have a a population that's getting sicker and sicker, isn't this a failure of the of the tradic quote, the traditional medical approach to health in in in the country?
Dr. Glenn Goro (14:52.472)
I think i I think it's reality, Murray. I lecture, I've lectured many times at Rutgers Medical School. And one of the first questions I ask is, how much nutrition training do you get here? And the answer is none. I think one person says we get about four hours. so naturopathic doctors or holistic doctors get get quite a bit. Naturopathic doctors get thousands of hours of nutrition training. I probably have
20,000 hours of nutritional training. But the but the fact of the matter is, even though medical students go to medical schools with high ideals that they're going to save the world, they get a slap in the face of reality in four years of medical school that this is a business. And keep in mind that medical schools are largely supported by the drug companies in terms of their revenues. I heard one statistic, I don't know how true it is, that some medical schools
Up to forty percent of their revenues are from the drug companies. So the paradigm in which they're going to pract they're going to teach medicine is going to be slanted towards drug drug therapies. plus
Murray Sabrin (16:07.062)
Let just stop you there. I let me just stop you there. I shared an article from the New York Times last week that food is now being introduced into the medical school curriculum in order to give doctors more information about nutrition to help their patients. Do you see this as a big breakthrough to help doctors treat their patients in a more holistic way?
Dr. Glenn Goro (16:30.55)
It's laughable. And the reason why I'm saying it, the the medical industry is controlled by the medical industrial complex. Medical doctors today, it used to be that if you were a medical doctor, you know, you were driving around in a fancy car, you lived in a fancy neighborhood, and that's not the case anymore. Primary care doctors are really suffering because they have to see anywhere from forty to sixty patients a day, and that's dictated by the corporations that they're owned by. And
If you only have eight to twelve minutes to spend with a patient, you're not going to start speaking to them about diet. My first appointment is up to ninety minutes because I want to know what are they eating, what are their habits, what are they interested in, what is their background. So medical doctors, even if they have a little bit of information about food as medicine, it it's certainly not enough, number one. And number two.
i the orientation of the way ma medicine is practiced, it's certainly not it's not acclimated to speaking to people about diet. Even if the doctors knew a lot about it, even if a doctor had to get a doctorate in nutrition, if they're only allotted eight to twelve minutes to see a to to see a patient, how much information are you going to get to get to the patient? It's it's just not feasible.
Murray Sabrin (17:56.76)
So this this leads to another question that I have because we've had conversations over the years about food and nutrition. And if someone comes to you with a serious medical issue, which they may have been treated or not treated by a medical doctor, you can't prescribe drugs as an a naturopathic doctor because that's not your bellywick. So how do you begin tr treating somebody with a major gastrointestinal illness? And we know there's a
There's a lot of gastrointestinal illnesses in this country. So how would you begin treating somebody who's got some issues that they've never seen a doctor before, or they've seen a doctor who's prescribed medicine and the medicine is not helping them get better?
Dr. Glenn Goro (18:39.83)
Sometimes the best thing that I can do is refer somebody to the appropriate physician or the appropriate practitioner, because obviously I don't know everything. my that my patients think in sometimes that I do know everything, but but you know, sometimes you're as smart as the person that you can refer to. But let me give you an let me give you an example of a patient that I had with a serious problem. 25-year-old,
male who who was tested, he was in California actually. he was tested with very, very low levels of testosterone. And he had all of the symptoms of low testosterone, fatigue, lack of motivation, no sex drive. There was there was a whole host of symptoms associated with low testosterone. He had been to 12 doctors. All of them wanted to give him and they had
prescribe testosterone therapy to him. Now here's a 25-year-old who should not be on testosterone therapy.
Dr. Glenn Goro (19:48.166)
I when I spoke to him the first time ordered the first question I asked him, I said, What what job do you do? What is your occupation? He says, I'm a stained glass fabricator. I said, Did any of those twelve doctors you've gone to ask you what do you do for a living? He said, Not one. So I said, Let's think about this. Working with stained glass, you're exposed to lead.
You're exposed to cadmium because of the paint pigments. And you also probably have through the roof levels of copper. So what I did was I did a trace mineral assessment where we took a sample of his hair, we sent it to the laboratory. He had about the highest levels of lead and cadmium that I've ever seen, and his copper levels were through the roof. If you make a correlation between all of these toxic elements,
and its impact on testosterone, we hit a home run.
Not one doctor tried to find out why his testosterone was low. Did he need testosterone? Well, maybe. But the fact of the matter is, his body wasn't able to produce the testosterone that he needed because it was so toxed with these heavy metals. And in order for him to get any type of relief, we had to do some type of what is called chelation, clawing out those minerals, those nasty.
heavy metals from his body. So whether I'm successful or not in doing that, it's up to him to be able to be compliant. Because and he also he also has to stop doing the job that's causing the problem in the first place, or it's or it's trying to fill a colander with water by putting it under the faucet. It's never going to fill. So it
Murray Sabrin (21:46.894)
Let me do a f let me do a follow up. If you hadn't diagnosed him properly, what would have been his prognosis if he had kept working and his toxic metals levels had gone up and up and up? What would have been the outcome of his health? Well he
Dr. Glenn Goro (22:01.75)
it his life wouldn't be sustained. to even even low levels of lead in cadmium are toxic. His levels were unprecedented. So whether it would he would have he would have within five years he would have been on mess medical disability.
Dr. Glenn Goro (22:23.042)
He w he would not be able to function. psychologically or physiologically.
Murray Sabrin (22:27.758)
You saved his life, Glenn. You you actually saved his life from a a life of disability and and possibly an early death. That's correct.
Dr. Glenn Goro (22:38.634)
regardless of whether or not his medical doctors gave him the appropriate amount of testosterone because if you're not getting at the cause, then you're you're just fighting against yourself.
Murray Sabrin (22:53.806)
So what w you've written a new book on on stress and anxiety. I wanna hit hit that because so many Americans are on antidepressants and anti anxiety of medication. is that the best way to treat these issues or what's the naturopathic way of treating with treating anxiety and depression?
Dr. Glenn Goro (23:15.086)
First we have to d discover what is what are the contributing factors. And you look number one, you want to first of all look at and and getting back to lead and and mercury and cadmium, these are big causes of anxiety and depression. However, we also have to look at some of the other physiological markers. One of the things I look at is atrenal stress. I look at thyroid, I'm a thyroid specialist. My next book is called Thyroid Mastery.
And that's a big contributing factor to to anxiety, but also the lifestyle and the life events that we have incurred over the last several years, especially. I mean, anxiety's been around forever. Every person on the planet gets anxious. It's it's it's not it's not that the anxiety is is a bad thing. I mean, Mark Twain once once said, and that this is not his exact statement, he says, I've been anxious all my life.
about things that never happened. But every person on the planet gets anxious. It's when we feel that the anxiety is actually is actually a problem and we cannot we we cannot control the level of anxiety. But if we can learn to deal with all of our stresses as they happen and this is what I talk about in my book is that if if we knew
That every time we get a little bit anxious, we get stressed, we get we get pressed on something, and we can resolve that within ninety seconds to two minutes, then all of a sudden these things don't build up, build up and build up, and and by the end of the day we're blowing our top because somebody dropped a pencil on the floor. A lot of these are controllable.
Murray Sabrin (25:06.69)
Now d are there any natural supplements that you ad advise people who come to you with these issues that they should take to ameliorate their their anxiety or depression issues?
Dr. Glenn Goro (25:18.246)
And just like with with medications, basically they they they keep us calm. it it's not a cure for the anxiety, but in combination, if I give somebody passion flower, if I give somebody certain forms of of magnesium, it's it's really effective in helping them restore some time of calm within their body. But if it's not augmented with some type of
principles that enable them to have a tool that they can use to modulate their emotional regulation. When you use both of them together, it's it's really a home run. It's it's it's it's really good. And and and looking at blood sugar regulation, and you know there's another thing, you know, when you're when people eat a lot of refined foods,
It actually can contribute to reactive what I call reactive hypoglycemia, or as your blood sugar drops, cortisol goes up because it's an inverse relationship. As cortisol goes up, all of a sudden we feel anxious, we feel stressed, and that's that's a major cause of anxiety as well. So we have to look at all of the factors that contribute to that anxiety. And you know what today.
we with with COVID we felt we were in the twilight zone for four years. it never never in our history have we ever had a a situation with where we were sequestered in our homes, we're afraid to go out, we're walking around with masks for whatever reason that was. people were people were homeschooled. They were not not allowed to be social. We had to be twenty-seven feet apart.
When you go to the pharmacy, they had these footprints on the floor and you had to stand on these footprints like we were in the like we were in Nazi Germany. it was it was just awful. And then and then social media. You know, you go to a you go to a restaurant, you see a a young couple sitting across from the table from each other, and they're not talking, they're sending text to each other. So there's there's no the
Dr. Glenn Goro (27:40.738)
There's no communication. We forgot how to relate to each other. So all of this is is contributory. And you know, if you want to make fun of somebody, if you want to criticize somebody, you can do it on social media and thousands of people are gonna hear that. Murray, when you and I were young, if somebody wanted to insult you, do they had to sell insult you in front of your face?
Murray Sabrin (28:05.834)
Absolutely. Or you you'd watch late night T V and hear some of the insult comedians. Who who who who who were benign, who were doing it in fun and jest, they weren't mean. That's the difference I think today and the in the past. There's a lot of meanness going on. So I want to get to a couple more questions before I let you go because there's so much information in your two books. I started reading both of them and I I must say that people should get a hold of both of your books because they just have a wealth
information. So let me ask you, and here's the one that I think would be interesting. If Senator Kennedy of the head of the Health and Human Services called you up and said, Dr. Jero, we've heard so much about your ability to treat people with various illnesses. What should we put into our guidelines at HHS or the CDC or any other of the government agencies?
To improve the American people's health because the way things are going, we're spending now nearly twenty percent of GDP on on medical care. to put this in pr in in numbers, it's nearly five trillion dollars a year. Ten percent of that goes to prescription drugs of roughly five hundred billion dollars. So how can we reduce the American people's medical care bills, Glenn, and give the people some hope to get rid of the illnesses that they're facing, the chronic illnesses, and get back to a path of optimal health.
Dr. Glenn Goro (29:30.698)
I think the it's gotta be available access to the practitioner of your choice. And I I don't believe in more government regulation, as you know. And it's not a matter of indoctrinating the ma the medical system and teaching the medical system that we now we have to teach from a holistic health perspective because that's not gonna work. It's not gonna change because you've got too much at stake. there was
Murray Sabrin (29:31.136)
What would you recommend to Senator Kennedy?
Dr. Glenn Goro (29:58.978)
There was a report, I believe it was either in the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times that was supported by Goldman Sachs that indicated that if people started taking it taking care of themselves and started eating right and exercising, it would actually bankrupt the medical system. And keep in mind the largest lobby in Washington by far is the pharmaceutical lobby. So things are not going to change. Every, every
ev every congressman has their pockets filled with c pharmaceutical money. I think I think one of the first things is term limits. But again, that's not gonna happen either, because there's there's just so many the the the the government is is really dependent on their sustainability. They don't want to lose their jobs. But in terms of healthcare just encouraging that
People should venture out and look at other forms of of the types of practitioners that are going to speak about root causes. and and and open that up.
Murray Sabrin (31:10.936)
Yes, let me ask you one thing that is a pretty controversial area. it's not so controversial overseas since they've done it. They've banned pharmaceutical ads on television. Do you think that's a good idea?
Dr. Glenn Goro (31:24.862)
Nah. Yeah. I I don't think so. There's o I I think there's only two countries in the world that have pharmaceutical advertising. I think it's us in New Zealand. but you know
Murray Sabrin (31:40.334)
Does that inc that does that increase the demand for drugs that just treat symptoms as opposed to root causes?
Dr. Glenn Goro (31:46.818)
Yeah, I I find that very amusing because in every one of these commercials you say the the the particular drug may cause blindness, it may cause a stroke, it may cause heart attack, it may cause all of these other things, but
At the end they show somebody dancing and happy and they're excited that they're they're losing weight or they they can see again or they their their pimples are no longer on their face. So but again, regardless, you be people disregard all of these little side effects. you know, the pharmaceutic I remember when the pharmaceutical industry first brought the TV advertising, because I was publishing medical journals at the time.
And the the the whole purpose was, and we can go in to say, hey, doc the the pharmaceutical reps are to come into the doctor, doctor, the hardest thing that you have to do is get patients into your office. So what we're gonna do is we're gonna advertise direct to the consumer. So the consumer, and we're gonna say to the consumer, ask your doctor about XYZ drug. So the patients are gonna go into the doctor. I saw an advertising for Lyrica or
or Lipitor and Doctor, is that right for me? So it was really a ploy to get doctors to write prescriptions for that particular drug because patients are coming in and and the fact that the doctors are getting more patients, they should credit the drug companies because they are driving the the visits to their office.
I don't know if that's that worked out to be true or not, but it's a big source of revenue for them. And it's a big source of revenue for the for the networks. And keep in mind that I don't know what the percentage is, which is it's a very high percentage of TV revenues is drug is is the drug industry. So it's going to thwart credible reporting because
Dr. Glenn Goro (34:00.098)
The the news reports are not going to talk negatively about the drug companies because that's a bread and butter.
Murray Sabrin (34:08.482)
Ask you the last question before before we go. And and that's something you mentioned to me in the past. And I want to get your input so our our viewers can can hear your experience with so called traditional doctors. You said you work with traditional doctors. How's that been working out for you over the years where you consult with the doctor or the doctor consults with you when you have a a a mutual patient who's looking for relief from their illnesses?
Dr. Glenn Goro (34:36.982)
It's a paramount importance because in some cases, keep in mind that it it's not a question of treating somebody naturally or s treating somebody with pharmaceutical drugs. The best remedy is what's right for the patient at that particular time. And there are super drugs that are that are really important. And sometimes that person needs to be on a medication. So for example, when people come to me with thyroid issues, which is a specialty of mine, as I mentioned.
And and sometimes they need a a change in medication. And I since I can't prescribe, I need to I need to speak to their medical doctor, educate their medical doctor, because most medical doctors do not have the sophistication or the knowledge that I do with regard to to thyroid. And and I have to s I have to try to convince their primary doctor
To change the medication according to what I feel is going to help that patient. So having a relationship with a number of doctors, and if I find that I'm hitting it a dead end with their medical doctor, I have to refer them to somebody that I know that's going to listen to me. So there are the in many cases I could make a diagnosis because I have the I have the convenience of time. I'm spending 90 minutes with the new patient.
So I'm to find out things that the medical doctor is not even discovering. So if they have a condition and I know what the pharmacological intervention should be, I'm going to make that recommendation because the doctor has not acknowledged it. And there are times that a medical doctor needs to intervene, needs to make the appropriate recommendation, and we have to work together on it.
Murray Sabrin (36:28.238)
And can you tell our viewers what your website is if people wanna get in touch with you for maybe a consultation? Do you do telemedicine consultations in addition to in office consultations?
Dr. Glenn Goro (36:40.59)
Absolutely. Absolutely. We see people
Murray Sabrin (36:43.178)
all the So what's your what's your website where they can all over the country So what's your website so people may decide that hey I want to get some input from Dr. Gero about my condition and take a holistic approach. So what's your website?
Dr. Glenn Goro (36:56.46)
holisticnaturopath dot com. Holisticnaturopath dot com. And I'm in Clifton, New Jersey. And we see people can Google me, they can look up my name. My name is all over the internet. I guess when you're doing this for twenty-five years, they they find out about you. So
Murray Sabrin (37:06.737)
And they and they can always Google you.
Murray Sabrin (37:21.496)
Great. Glenn, it's been a pleasure catching up with you and all the information that you have. And we're gonna have you back periodically to get updates about ways of dealing with some of these chronic issues that people have. So I appreciate the time that you've given us today. And please look at Gl Glenn's books. the the titles are what are the two titles, Glenn?
Dr. Glenn Goro (37:48.014)
The f my first book was The Health Paradox. And my last book, which came out the end of February, is called Ang Stress and Anxiety Unlocked. And both written, both written, very readable, a lot of case stories, and and my humor is in there, so you'll enjoy it.
Murray Sabrin (38:10.286)
Great. so I just wanna let everybody know we've done two shows on healthcare with Joe Sanson last week and Dr. Glengero this week. we're gonna pivot next week and talk about how to improve your wealth with Paul Majanovic, the author of several dummies books, longtime certified financial planner, and we're gonna mix it up between health care and and investment advice. Remember, any advice that's given on these
On these podcasts, please check with your medical doctor, your financial advisor, because you are responsible for your life, not the government, certainly not me, not Dr. Jarrow. The life your life is in your hands. The goal is with MafiaUSA.com is to create a financially independent America. Financial independence, health independence, medical independence is what we should be striving for.
And not be beholden to insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, the federal government. We are free and independent citizens. That's what the Declaration of Independence asserts 250 years ago. And in July 4th, we'll be celebrating that birthday of the Declaration of Independence. So, Glenn, thank you. We'll have you back in the not too distant future to follow up with some other issues that people, I'm sure, will contact me to get your input. So
Please visit Mafiausa.com and Glenn Jarrow's website, which we'll put in the we'll link it on the video. So until next week, enjoy the week, enjoy the weather, stay healthy, exercise, drink enough liquids and remember, everything is in your control if you let it be and not third parties. So until next time, have a good week and we'll see you a week from today.
Dr. Glenn Goro (40:03.384)
Thank you, Murray.