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Chris Hall (00:47)
Hello, this is the Healthy Wealth Experience and I'm your host, Chris Hall. I am super excited today to have with me Coach Kyle Stelter. And if you would like to know a little bit more about football and long snapping and recruiting, then this is going to be a great show for you. Coach, thanks so much for being on the show.
Coach Kyle Stelter (01:05)
Yeah, absolutely. I'm excited to be here. ⁓ I love talking long snapping and football and recruiting. So we're in the right place today, I think.
Chris Hall (01:12)
Right on. Yeah, that's great. basically, you know, you're a long snapping coach. And so, you know, I think a lot of people out there would think like, oh, so what team do you coach for? Can you explain a little bit about like what you do and and how you got where you got?
Coach Kyle Stelter (01:28)
Yeah, so I'm a private long snapping coach. It's a job that I really had to invent for myself. I went to school to be a physical education teacher and then was teaching adapted physical education for about six years while also coaching on the side, just kind of as a hobby and kind of building this business. And then in 2020, I decided to just kind of go full time into snapping coaching and it's
worked out really well and families are doing well and everything's just going in a good direction right now. So I guess to back up a little bit, I learned how to snap in high school. Not very well, just enough to be sufficient and eventually just kind of didn't end up loving it. So one day at practice when I was in high school, I intentionally screwed up to get pulled because I didn't want to be the long snapper anymore.
So I threw a couple over the holders head. I got pulled great day My backup went in and I got to play guard on field goal, which is so much easier. You just stood there and took a hit Yeah, so interesting right so and then after that I knew I didn't want to be done playing football so I was gonna go play college football and I was pretty determined to do so and all of my high school coaches told me that you should probably work on your long snapping
Chris Hall (02:27)
So true.
Coach Kyle Stelter (02:39)
if you want to do that because at the time I was probably about 200 pounds and an offensive lineman. I just wanted to go play. didn't care what I did. I thought I was maybe going to be a linebacker. So the first school I went to, I tried to play linebacker, was also snapping, didn't end up seeing the field that year. Then I transferred and was still the long snapper, but didn't see the field until my junior year. So I played my junior and senior year.
during that time was also trying to play tight end and defensive end. In my senior year, my coaches kind of pulled me off to the side and said, you know what, you're pretty good at this. We value you at the long snapping position. We don't want you to play another position so you don't get hurt. going from screwing up on purpose to being told to only be a long snapper was a great day and then probably one of the worst days because all I knew is I didn't want to be just a specialist because they don't do anything. They just hang out on the other field.
looks boring, it wasn't exciting. So that ended up being kind of a downer for about a week and then about a week into it I decided you know what this is pretty cool I don't have to ram my head into other guys all day, practice wasn't as hard, I get to just hang out and work on my craft. So it up turning out to be a good thing and so I finished up my college career at Wisconsin River Falls which is a Division III school. Ended up playing
semi-pro for a little bit just to kind of stay relevant and stay active because I knew I didn't want to be done playing football after that. And during that time I was going to workouts and tryouts. I ended up being rated the number one free agent long snapper in the nation. Got into the UFL for a season and then in 2014 was able to get a tryout with the New York Jets and then a rookie mini camp invite from the New York Jets as well.
really worked my way up and definitely some ups and downs throughout that but snapping has definitely taken me a lot further than I ever expected to be.
Chris Hall (04:22)
Now, so when you were with the Jets and stuff like that, how competitive was that? Like how many snappers do they bring in for those kinds of camps?
Coach Kyle Stelter (04:29)
Yeah, so the first workout they brought in four of us, it was me from Wisconsin River Falls, snapper from Colorado State, snapper from Rutgers and Florida State. So already kind of heading into that, it was a little intimidating because, you know, all these other guys had played big time football and I had not, but I'd also had that confidence of I played in the UFL and I'd beaten out some really good snappers to be in that league. I had been rated very highly in some free agent workouts I'd been in.
Chris Hall (04:44)
Thank
Coach Kyle Stelter (04:55)
⁓ But going into that workout, they kept two of us. Two of the guys that got cut, two of us got brought back for rookie mini camp. And going into rookie mini camp, it was such a cool experience, going into an NFL facility. And it's kind of just a dream just to be able to walk into there and you belong in there. But it was also extremely stressful. Every snap you take, every little warm up snap you take is just being watched like a hawk.
So I remember going out for warmups and stretching out, warming up and taking my very first warmup snap. And it was a little bit low at the knees and the coach is like, you gotta get that up. And I thought was, yeah, I will. Let me get a couple and I'll be back into my prime shape, I guess. But everything was just watched. And you know what? It was very much criticized, but not very coached. So they would tell you if you're doing it wrong, but they didn't know how to tell you if you were doing it right.
And I think that was an eye-opener for me to kind of really understand that there's not a lot of help for this position. And I had been coaching it for a while, but maybe not as detailed as I want it to be. So I started to think about, you know, the kickers were getting really detailed coaching after practice, watching film, breaking it down, the tiniest little changes to their plant foot and how they swing and how they contact and snappers, you're good.
We don't need anything from you, right? Just keep getting better. So that kind of opened my eyes. I want to get more information and understand the why and the how. And throughout my background of playing football and also going into physical education, you take classes for biomechanics and kinesiology and anatomy and things like that. So we learned about all these rules to movement through those classes. And I would see that...
Chris Hall (06:30)
it
Coach Kyle Stelter (06:36)
I was also a track and field thrower. So I'd see that at practice there, where we do drills and we'd understand the movement. And then I go to football practice and it was like the rules didn't apply to us. Just do it better. Don't screw up. So it was really an interesting dynamic to go from understanding why and how to don't suck. And that didn't really sit well with me because yeah, and ⁓ I'm just kind of the person that really needs to know why.
Chris Hall (06:53)
Don't suck.
Coach Kyle Stelter (06:58)
If somebody gives me a piece of advice or wants me to do something, even if it's the right thing to do, I want to know why, you know, is there an explanation behind it? You know, what's the reasoning? So I think that was something that really motivated me to develop this business into what it is today. Kind of a little bit of perfectionism and a little bit of just curiosity about movement and coaching and always learning how to do things better.
Chris Hall (07:23)
That's great. That's great. So with this specialty, know, so obviously you and I know each other. My son has been going to you since the eighth grade. He's now a senior being recruited nationwide. I got your name from Jacob Boba Moir, who's also been on the show. He was at the East West Shrine game when I was assisting there on the East team.
And so we just kind of like to start talking and stuff like that. Originally, I thought my son was going to be like a slot receiver because he was a pretty tall, skinny kid. And then right around the same time COVID hit, he has growth spurt. And not only did he get taller, but he got bigger. Like he's pretty thick. And I'm like, well, he's not tall enough to be a tight end.
He's not got the mentality for a middle linebacker spot. Like, what are we going to do with this kid? You know, cause you know, when he came to me, like every kid who's 10 or 11 years old is like, dad, I want to be, I want to be in the NFL. I'm like, yeah, no kidding. Don't we all. So, that made me think of my relationship with Jacob. I called Jacob. Jacob said, you got to call coach Stelter. And that's kind of how we started out. I do remember like the evolution of the sport has happened. Why we're doing it together. ⁓ when we first started.
Coach Kyle Stelter (08:10)
Welcome to the club.
Chris Hall (08:27)
I remember you telling me the average NFL snapper had like had a dad bought and he would just kind of tried out on the field and snapped the ball and then kind of dropped back out. And now you've got guys like Jacob, Christian Kuntz, Luke Rhodes. I mean, these guys are animals and they're just athletic specimens who also snapped the ball. So can you kind of walk us through the process of how that how the positions changed so much just in the last five years?
Coach Kyle Stelter (08:51)
Yeah, honestly, I think it's been morphing for even longer than that. you know, as we go through the years, mostly it was position players that would snap for the team. You know, if you could do it, awesome, just get in there and make it happen. Then it turned into when I was in high school and coming up through college, it was starting to become more of a specialty. More kids were going to camps for it and learning how to do it and getting scholarships for it. I think that's kind of when it started to become a little more prevalent.
But it was it was still the the demographic of guys that weren't big enough fast enough strong enough to play another position so they snapped Recently it's been kind of going towards swinging towards a more of like a linebacker build who can do both they could play a position they could snap but they're choosing to snap because of longevity because they enjoy it because It'll take them further So we'll take Luke Rhodes for example
was a linebacker at William & Mary, was not a snapper there, ended up getting picked up by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as a linebacker and then was cut and then got picked up by the Colts. And while he was there, just kinda told the guys that he could snap and after watching him do it a few times, told them, know what, you have potential here and if you tell us that you're gonna work on it, we're going to, we'll get rid of the other guy and we'll give you a chance to, you know, earn the job and keep the job. So.
He said, in that moment, he said, yeah, get rid of him. I'll take the job. And that's when we got connected is we, you know, we got in touch through a client of mine who was at a gym that Luke was at. And, you know, basically what happened is Luke sent me a clip of film. gave him a voiceover kind of explaining what I could do to help him. And we instantly just started working together. I think it's been nine years since then. but he's definitely, he's made a lot of progress and he went from.
not snapping in college to being a pro bowler, to being the highest paid long snapper in the NFL, and just setting a new precedent for the snapper market, which is really cool. he's been innovating and ⁓ building the position.
Chris Hall (10:48)
He's he I you know, I check out his Instagram stuff like that And I mean he is if he is a physical specimen like that guy definitely looks like he could still play linebacker And then and then you know talking about that same position, know, Jacob Bowen were from the Las Vegas Raiders right now like he he looks like he's like definitely I know he played linebacker in college too. And he has a similar story where he was playing linebacker in college and then he got
Coach Kyle Stelter (10:49)
Thank
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Chris Hall (11:16)
kind of tapped for that. Can you kind of go through that story with us?
Coach Kyle Stelter (11:18)
Yeah, so Jacob is probably one of my favorite stories to tell. ⁓ And I'm sure he doesn't love when I tell it, but essentially he was a linebacker and long snapper. He did snap in college. I think we had met his junior year. So he came up to Wisconsin his junior year and told me that he wanted to play in the NFL. We had our first lesson. And basically my reaction was, you know, I'm glad that you're motivated, but there's a lot of work to do. Like, I don't know if you're ready.
and I was skeptical of is this going to happen or not. Essentially, he wasn't great. So he worked on it. A couple months later, he came back and he had improved. I think we had met a few times leading up into his senior season. But eventually, his senior season came around. He had been continuously improving and had been motivated to do it. And I had a connection with the East West Shrine game.
and they had one of my other snappers slated to play in their game, but he had torn his ACL. So they called me up and said, hey, we need a snapper to replace this other guy. And I, you know, I just pitched Jacob. was like, you know, he's a linebacker. think guys are starting to like that, that build, that movement style from, from a player. And so I gave him his name and just kind of crossed my fingers and said, please don't screw this up. And he went in.
Chris Hall (12:29)
Ha
Coach Kyle Stelter (12:30)
And Jacob told me that one of his first snaps was not his best snap. And I think it was to AJ Cole, who's his current punter with the Raiders right now. And he said he's very high and AJ was not happy that he got a left-handed snapper that was not perfect, you know, and was upset about it. So Jacob went on, you know, went through, in the shrine game, did well, got picked up by the Broncos, played for them for I think three seasons before he broke his finger.
Chris Hall (12:38)
Yeah, it was.
Coach Kyle Stelter (12:57)
And then they got moved to the Raiders. So the Raiders picked him up and he's been playing there ever since. But now he's reunited with AJ Cole, who initially was not a fan. But now I think they're pretty close and everything's going well for him there. But it was definitely a crazy story going from not being very good and being skeptical about his potential to, man, he's been playing in the NFL for a long time now and having a lot of success.
The cool part is him and all these other guys that I train are continuously hungry for improvement. They're not just coasting on what they've done in the past. They want to continue to improve.
Chris Hall (13:29)
What's your tagline on that? You say that quite a bit in your posts.
Coach Kyle Stelter (13:32)
⁓ go unnoticed.
Chris Hall (13:33)
That's that's I love that one too. That's something about seeking perfection. Seeking perfection.
Coach Kyle Stelter (13:35)
That's one of them. Chase perfection. Yes. Chase perfection. Go
unnoticed. Those are kind of two of my big slogans. My big thing with chasing perfection is, you know, not everybody's a perfectionist, but I want everybody to be held to a higher standard. you know, every opportunity these guys get to go after it, I want them to hold themselves accountable and not essentially try to perform perfectly, but train with that mindset. So that way, when they get into the game,
they're falling back on their training versus training to be average. And then when they struggle, they're falling below that mark. And the other tagline or slogan, go and notice, that's a big one for snappers specifically because as a player, we don't want our names in newspapers, on social media, because the only time, or not the only time, but a majority of the time, we're only in there because we screwed up.
Chris Hall (14:09)
Yeah.
Coach Kyle Stelter (14:26)
snapper did something bad, threw it over the head, bounced a snap, you're getting publicity. So we want to go unnoticed. We don't want fans to know our names. If they do, it's usually not a great thing. ⁓ I have a lot of like black on black imagery and clothing and gear just to kind of reinforce that motto to these guys and just to make sure that they know if they do chase perfection, they will go unnoticed in a good way.
Chris Hall (14:39)
Thanks, guys.
Right. No, I really liked that and I feel like that's the only time someone notices a snapper is when they do poorly.
Coach Kyle Stelter (14:58)
Right? Well, it's rare, but every once in you see like a good piece on a snapper, like, hey, this guy's been working hard, he's not screwed up, so let's give him some social media love or an article about him. I want to see those pieces. We can be noticed for that.
Chris Hall (15:11)
Right.
⁓
a great clip from the snapper from Tennessee when he's on punt cover just like a week ago that was a great snap it was a great you know where he yeah clicked it back in that was good and then and then what's the other ⁓ this this like watching these guys like run down the field and like they're so like hungry to make the tackle too I think that's one of the coolest things too is like now that I'm noticing more
Coach Kyle Stelter (15:19)
Yeah, he went down, swatted the ball back and played.
Absolutely.
Chris Hall (15:39)
Like they like I've seen it in high school for sure where you know guys can barely snap the ball back or if they snap it well they can almost never move they can never move their body after they snap it. I mean then you see college and the college snappers they're all really for the most part dialed in as far as their snaps I mean they might have a little bit of a high one or a little bit below one but they're really good but then and it's that's like a 50-50 thing like some of the guys run down the field some of the guys are you know.
not really that good, you know, so I think it's still sort of morphine sort of trans, trans, transitioning, trans, transitioning, but I feel like that's where it's headed. It's headed to like, that's going to be a super athlete who also specializes in snapping.
Coach Kyle Stelter (16:17)
Well, and I think the standard just keeps getting raised as well. You know, the competition is higher. The standards are higher. Coaches are expecting more of snappers. So in the past, it was like, I don't care what you look like, how tall you are, just get the ball back there and we're happy. To now coaches can be pickier because there are better athletes that are snapping. So there's a bigger market. I was just watching an article right before this call. There's a six foot seven snapper in high school.
Looks pretty good, good for him and he looks like he can move well. So coaches have like these big tight end bodies. It's not just, you know, like I snapped because I couldn't play another position. You know, that's not the only, the only athlete anymore. So there's, definitely a range out there.
Chris Hall (16:59)
Right, for sure. With regards to the positioning and the way that people put it in there, like so in high school, you know, like almost always where, you know, play a different position in college. You know, they're, they might play a position made, might not, they might have been a situation like you where they start out in a position and they say, Hey, let's not do that. And they have like the bigger teams. They're like, no, you're, just a snapper.
And then the NFL it holds a single position just for a snapper I mean, there's a 53 man roster and every single one of them has a long snapper. That's it So I definitely feel like you know the higher you get up the more it's recognized like one of things I noticed too is like you're almost never gonna see a captain of the football team as a as a High school player be a captain of the football team as a snapper. I mean, yes unless he plays another position
But then but like in college I see it all the time because I follow a lot of these guys those guys are often picked up as You know captains, which I think is really cool So like I think part of it, know has to do with like the the recognition as it goes up Do you feel like that's kind of how it is like high school? They still don't really recognize the position
Coach Kyle Stelter (18:06)
I think so. think it's, I guess it's more about their priorities. at the high school level, you don't have to be great to get a pun off, right? Like teams aren't scheming you too hard. You can be ⁓ pretty average and get away with it, right? So coaches maybe don't know what they have until somebody sucks and they don't have a great snapper. ⁓ So they probably don't value it very well. At the college level though,
Chris Hall (18:25)
True.
Coach Kyle Stelter (18:29)
People are scheming if your snapper is not great. You're gonna get puns block You're gonna have you're gonna struggle So I think coaches are starting at least now to start to value this position a little bit more And at the NFL level absolutely you can't have a bad snapper Or the games games aren't gonna be won people aren't gonna be happy. You know fans are gonna You're gonna hear it. So it's definitely You know just that that definitely that growth in the position where you know
There's not a lot of time spent on it in the high school level. I know a lot of coaches are like, yeah, we give our guys five minutes before practice or 10 minutes afterwards to work on it. And that's really not sufficient if you want somebody that's going to be good at it. whenever I talk to ⁓ high school coaches or college coaches, basically you got to find a guy that's hungry to do it and wants to do it. You could find your best athlete who would absolutely kill it if you put time into it. But if he doesn't put that time into it, he's not going to see that success. You're not going to see that success. So
Chris Hall (19:10)
Right.
Coach Kyle Stelter (19:26)
There's definitely a trade off there for sure.
Chris Hall (19:28)
Do you think that like let's go into recruiting with this position, you know, obviously if you're like a three star cornerback or you know wide receiver, you know, like you're gonna get offers like galore. There are a couple of like rating systems right now for snappers and like, know, like so like JT is a four and a half star. I think if he were if he went through the coal system, he'd probably be like a five star but
Like they don't treat the five star snappers as the same as like a three star wide receiver. Why do you think that it's like it's such a valuable position and they do realize it? Why do think there's a disconnect on the recruiting side of it? In other words, like, why do you think that like, so let me let me back up. A lot of these kickers, punters, snappers, they're very wanted. They're very wanted. They're very desire, especially if they're good. But yet they're still not getting
they're still not getting scholarships like almost across the nation. You're going to get a walk on and then you're going to get maybe two years, three years ⁓ of you having to pay out of pocket to be there before you might earn a scholarship. Why do think there's such a disconnect on that? They know it's important, but they don't want to pay for it is what it comes down to. How does that, what do what do feel about that?
Coach Kyle Stelter (20:37)
Yeah, I definitely think there's a couple factors here. think A, the star system is a little diluted. I think the transfer portal has definitely played a big role in not wanting to pay a high school kid to come in and make, you know, and possibly have success or possibly not. You know, you're kind of rolling the dice on the younger guy. So I think a lot of these coaches are going to look first towards the transfer portal for someone who's proven, that's maybe just looking for a new opportunity, maybe a graduate program or.
just a change of scenery. And then they're gonna kinda go through and trickle through. I think high school guys, unfortunately, are getting like the last round of that where, hey, you we didn't really find a transfer guy or, you know, our backup guy was good enough and then now we're gonna get to the high school kids. So they're kinda getting the last bit of it. But I definitely, still see things happening for high school kids. It's just.
little fewer and far between. So I don't think it's completely crushed for them, but there's definitely a little bit of disparity in that regard. I think, I don't know if there's anything's going to change soon with that, know, especially the transfer portal is still going to be a thing. Scholarships have been happening more and more and there's new rules coming up with roster limits and scholarships and things like that. And I guess we'll just, a lot of this time we've just been kind of holding on, just waiting to see.
What does the NCAA say or do? And what are these teams going to do? And what's it going to look like? So we've been kind of just going with the flow, trying to figure things out as they announce new things. ⁓
Chris Hall (22:04)
Right. Right. And
again, like I think you're alluding to like the NCAA is supposed to talk about this week. I think it's Wednesday. They're supposed to like reaffirm that they want to go from her 135 man rosters to 105 man rosters. Like right now they can carry 135. They can scholarship 85. So they have 50 walk ons, either preferred or just straight walk ons. They want to move that down to 105, but they want to increase that number to 105 scholarships.
And so I do think that that's, I do think it's sort of a step in the right direction. I do feel bad for the 30 walk-ons across the nation on every school that might end up somewhere else or not at all. I do feel for them, but I do feel like, you know, it's, definitely a change for the better. think that, you know, and again, because my kid's a snapper, I can tell you like, it feels weird when you see a guy who gets $11 million in NIL and then sits on the bench for three years.
Coach Kyle Stelter (22:39)
Right?
Chris Hall (22:54)
And then you got a kid who literally is out there helping like let's just call it a kicker right because that's more obvious like you got a we got there was a kid that I met nice guy who was the kicker at USC and he had played the whole year for them as the kicker and won games for them like over like, you know, like late late Game-winning field goals and he still didn't have a scholarship and USC is like $65,000 a year
And I'm like, he gets nothing but the other guy who gets $11 million and then I was not even starting. So I do I do feel like there's a disparity and hopefully they will rectify that as time goes along.
Coach Kyle Stelter (23:26)
Yeah, you know, and I don't even know like the full argument for cutting it, but they don't whatever the case may be. But I know from the snapping position, it's definitely, it could be good. It could be bad. I know like being ⁓ a badger fan, you know, growing up in Wisconsin, most of those guys that came into the program and became stars started off as walk ons and they were a walk on. I their way up. They earned a scholarship and now they're playing in the NFL. And so I,
Chris Hall (23:48)
Mmm.
Coach Kyle Stelter (23:53)
I don't want to see that go away, but I also don't know what the other side of that story is going to look like. So my first thought is those guys help build teams and they're hungry and they earn their way in. On the other side, I'm all for paying these players because they're there, they're working, they're essentially a commodity for these schools. But yeah, I think a big chunk of these guys are going to just not be on teams anymore. they could trickle down to different levels.
I just know a lot of these guys don't want to. They were at a big school. They don't want to drop down a level. They like where they're at. I'm just, once again, curious to see how it all shakes out.
Chris Hall (24:27)
I think that's a really, I think that's a really good point is the, you know, the walk ends are such a valuable contribution, you know, because those guys bring hustle. And it's not that hustle doesn't exist in the other guys, but it's just like, having somebody always push you from behind, you know, like, listen, you drop the ball, I'm going to come right behind you and pick it up. You know what I mean? Those kinds of things. I think that's good for football. I think it's good for team sports in general. What was that? I'm Yeah.
Coach Kyle Stelter (24:46)
I'm trying to take your job.
Yeah, yeah, and agreed. Well, I just said,
like, as a walk-on, like, you're trying to take that guy's job every day. Like, your job is to try to earn his job, and his job is to keep his job. So, you know, everybody's motivated in that way. I don't think that's gonna go away, essentially, but, like, there's definitely an underdog kind of a grittiness to be in a walk-on. Like, it's just a different lifestyle.
Chris Hall (25:12)
Yeah. Yes. So when it comes to recruiting, like you've built a reputation for yourself now, you're starting to get phone calls from coaches. Obviously, there's people who, you know, look at Coles ratings, there's people look at Rubio ratings, then you're getting phone calls, you don't have a rating system, but people are still reaching out to you. Do you feel like there needs to be a little bit more of a standardized rating that a kid can get over like just kind of like this?
general like I feel like I feel like this is good as a good kid you know like is there something because it's such a specialized position I don't I guess I'm saying is like is there a room to like come up with some more standardized ratings for these kids so it's not diluted
Coach Kyle Stelter (25:50)
You know, so I think it's the hard thing for snappers is, you know, let's, you could be a really good snapper, but you're short right now. Nobody really takes into account, like the height, the weight, the athleticism part and adds that into the ranking or rating. I think a, it would, I don't know. How do I say it? I think it would like be demoralizing for a lot of athletes who are great snappers, but maybe they just can't fix their height or their weight, you know, like,
So right now, there's just a lot of athletes who are four and a half or five or six star snappers that are pretty good, but maybe not college ready. So I think there's just a lot of fluff in the snapping world that probably doesn't need to be there. at the same time, I think if people were honest with athletes, would they still be super excited to continue to go to these camps and get rankings and ratings? I don't know. So I think there's something there that
Chris Hall (26:26)
Really.
Coach Kyle Stelter (26:39)
You know, these companies built these businesses and this is what they're doing and they're having a lot of success, so why change it? And, you know, I don't really have an interest in doing any rankings or ratings. I'm strictly interested in helping people get better. So, you know, I don't know if somebody came in and tried to be a competitor with them, if they would have a lot of success, you know, maybe over time, but it does seem like people have tried to come in and do something similar and they just stay smaller or they come and go.
Chris Hall (26:45)
Right.
Coach Kyle Stelter (27:07)
You know, the couple big players in the market just seem to kind of just stay steady. So, yeah, I don't know. I think it is what it is right now. I think a lot of coaches and people and players see kind of is see it for what it is. I know a lot of coaches who call me even if they're looking at like a five star or four star athlete, they want to see these guys at their camp, you know, so they could bring in a bunch of athletes, four, three, five, whatever star athletes.
And if there's somebody that's not even ranked that comes in and wins it, they're going to now be focused on that kid. You know, they want to see these people in action. So while a ranking or rating can be helpful, it's not the end all. I think that's kind of the, the fear of a lot of parents and athletes is that they have to get a ranking to be seen. And I was very ⁓ upfront about it. Like it's not a bad thing to go to. You can absolutely go to a camp and get ranked and rated. But I think a lot of these companies want you to believe that
they are it. If you don't come here, you're not going to play football. Out of all of my NFL players, none of them were ever ranked or rated. Out of my CFL players, nobody was ever ranked or rated. you know, with that being said, like it's not the only path. So I'm really big on basically hustling yourself, knocking on doors, making phone calls, do whatever you can to market yourself. And, you know, if you got a ranking or rating, play it up, use it and use
the companies to help you promote yourself but you know you can't just go get a ranking and just sit back and relax like you're on a list which is good and I know some coaches go and utilize those lists to find guys in their area or the top guys on those lists but if you're not in that top 20 guys you're probably not getting that much interest you know so we definitely need to make sure that either A you're increasing that rating
or B, just making sure that you're putting in that work outside of that to make sure that people are seeing you, going to camps, making calls, things like that. So it's not a walk in the park for sure.
Chris Hall (28:57)
I know from my standpoint, because I've been through this now. mean, I mean, my, my kids, a senior were, were, you know, we're almost to the end of this. I don't know. I don't know exactly where his future lies at this point, but I will just say to anybody listening, if I could do it all over again, I would have spent more time with coach Stelter and less time at these rankings camps. I'm not saying don't go to them. I'm not saying they don't provide some value. I think it is important for the kids to get out on a field with a bunch of other kids who do what they do.
and see like, how do I compare to these kids? you know, like how size wise am I? How's that guy's, you know, thing? But, but I can tell you that I have seen, you know, the rankings don't even, aren't even consistent across the two platforms. Like if you're, if you're a four and a half star ⁓ ranked at Rubio, you're probably five star ranked at Kohl's. and that's just, again, my opinion from being kind of like where it would be. So if I'm going for a star ranking, I probably going to go to Kohl's if that's what I'm looking for.
I would tell you that like neither of them provide really instruction for the most part. I mean, that might be basic like instruction or if you go to a regional camp, they might, you know, try to make it look like instruction, but they're not like getting what they're going to get if they come to someone like you. So like I said, if I could do it all over again, I would have spent less time at camps and more times in Wisconsin. That's just, you know, my two cents on the whole thing, but it's not like that. good. Go ahead.
Coach Kyle Stelter (30:16)
Yeah,
think everybody's got good intentions. I think everybody wants to be helpful and each, you know, the big companies, they want the best for these guys, but it's also business. so, ⁓ you know, like I said earlier, I'm focused only on instruction. You know, the main focus for these bigger companies is rankings and ratings. So we just got to make sure that, you know, you have your ducks in line. So I'm very open with guys to make sure that, you know, they're
Chris Hall (30:30)
All right.
Coach Kyle Stelter (30:45)
they're going and making sure that if they're looking to get exposed, they're ready for that exposure. And so, because they might be exposed for not being ready, you know? So the first thing, if you're getting into long snapping, I don't think I would recommend going to an event right away that's geared towards exposure. You need to be working on developing first. So develop yourself, and then once you feel like you're ready, you're snapping well, you feel like you wanna do some competition stuff, then...
maybe now it's the time to get after, but I do see a lot of athletes go the opposite way. They start in the camps and then they find themselves hitting like a wall and then they're like, I'm not getting any better. Now we have to go in and kind of reevaluate what's been going on and how they've been training in order to kind of overcome some of those obstacles, whether it's bad habits or just different thought processes through the snapping.
Chris Hall (31:34)
I would I would echo that as well. You know, we tried to do the camps in the beginning You know and again, I think you can get known for like like I think they give you leeway like if you're a freshman and you go to a camp and you're not Killing it like they're they're like he's a freshman. They're probably not even really looking at you for the most part but like sophomore year a little bit less, but if you go as a junior to these camps and Not I'm not talking about the the ratings camps and talking about like going to an actual college camp
You know, where, where, where college scouts are looking at you. you know, if you're a junior and you go to like six camps and you're not where you need to be, like, you're just going to get known for not being where you need to be. so I really do think again, if I could do it all over again, I would have spent his eighth grade year as freshmen year, sophomore year, much more time, in person with someone like yourself. ⁓ well, I mean, for me personally, would be with you for sure. but like, you know, not everybody probably has access to you. So what I would say is like getting that.
getting that access to someone who really truly knows what they're doing and provides instruction. And then once you feel like you've got your doubt, you've got it down to where like, I can compete then start going to in my opinion, I would rather see you go to like a regional camp, like at a college. Like I know, like we went to a thing for Brandon Huffman, who's been on the show, he's a executive recruiter for 24 seven sports, and we went to his camp in the northwest. And they had
12 Division 1 special teams coaches standing there while these kids are throwing the ball. And probably another eight Division 2 to Division 3 schools there. mean, there was good exposure. But if you're going to go to a camp like that, you're going to get tons of exposure. doesn't matter. They don't care what your star rating is. They're not looking at your star rating. They just want to know, this kid throw? So I would say, just echoing what Coach Stelzer says, focus on your performance, your individual performance.
and get that dialed in, then once you feel like you're dialed in, you can go compete, then go compete. You know what mean? And if you want to go to get a rating, that's great. But I would recommend, I would recommend really getting really good at what you do before you get a rating. So.
Coach Kyle Stelter (33:31)
Right? Agreed. so, you know, just making sure these guys are on the right track from the beginning, I think is really important.
Chris Hall (33:36)
Yeah. So tell us what you're working on right now. I know that, you know, I think of, you know, special teams as like, you know, we're looking at, you know, kids getting kids to college because that's where I'm at in life. But you've got kids in college. They're trying to go pro. So tell us a little bit about what you got going on with those guys.
Coach Kyle Stelter (33:53)
Yeah, so right now it's a little bit of slower time for me in the year just because everybody's with their team, they're reported, they're playing their seasons. So in-person stuff is a little bit slower. So right now I'm getting ready for my annual Pro Prep Camp. So every year in January I go down to Tampa, Florida. I hold this Pro Prep Camp. it's a great opportunity for guys to come in college, draft eligible or free agent along snappers only. We get together.
We learn about what it's like to be a pro. I bring in pro athletes to talk to the guys. I bring in agents to talk to the guys. I bring in mobility specialists. So we have a good group of people that give these guys information to let them know, like, hey, once you're done with the college level, this is what the next level is going to be like. We do some instruction with snapping to kind of see and show them how to hold themselves to a higher standard. And a big chunk of that camp is, how do I learn how to snap and protect? Because the next level,
We go from college where you probably snapping or releasing, maybe doing some protection to the NFL or CFL level where it's all protection and it's not only different with protection, but the intensity, the size of the athlete, the stunts that you're going to see are a lot more intricate and a lot more, a lot harder to protect with. So that's one of the bigger things that we cover. So the last few years we've had about 80 long snappers come through. I think we've had about 30.
professional opportunities come out of those events, which is really cool. So every year we just keep getting bigger and bigger, which is awesome. So that's coming up January 3rd through 5th. If you're a college snapper, draft eligible or free agent, you can come on up to that.
⁓ The other thing that we're introducing this year is a snapper specific combine training. So I've partnered up with Joshua Cuthbert, who is a former long snapper from Louisiana Tech. He's now a strength coach. He trains Kittle from the 49ers in the off season, along with a bunch of other NFL players. But him and I are going to go down to Austin, Texas and hold a combine training. So essentially, if you don't know much about combine training in general,
A lot of these NFL prospects will move across the country. They'll move to Arizona or to the East Coast or the West Coast. They're going all over these places to a gym.
Chris Hall (35:58)
Yeah.
Coach Kyle Stelter (35:59)
They're shelling out thousands and thousands of dollars to get housed and trained and fed and recovery and seen by doctors and all these things. So it's a huge expense. A lot of these times, if you're a draft prospect that's higher up on the draft board, your agent's going to cover that because the return rate for them is pretty good. They'll cover this. They know they're going to get paid back in the future based on the contract you signed. For snappers,
that's not really a thing. know, the it's really a gamble for an agent to take on a long snapper because you might pick up what you perceive as the best long snapper in the draft class. He might not get anything. You might pick up a snapper and bam, he hits, but his contract's still not as big as, you know, an offensive lineman, a receiver, a quarterback. So essentially some snappers have tried to make those happen, go do a combine training, but like I said, it's expensive. So what we're doing is we're putting together kind of a hybrid of a combine training where
They're going to come to Austin, Texas for a week to be in person with us. Field work, strength work, mobility work, speed work, all together. Basically their housing, their food, their training, everything's covered while they're there. And then after that week we ship them home with A, the knowledge, but B, they get access to us virtually. instead of moving away from
your resources, maybe you're living at home with your family, maybe you're getting a free gym back home, the food's cheaper, you're getting all this help from your resources around you, you don't have to move across the country to make that happen. So we're excited to give this a go. It's our launching point this year. We've got a lot of good feedback, so we're excited just to see how it shakes out.
Chris Hall (37:31)
Great idea. I really like that. That would actually be really good for high school players too, by the way. ⁓
Coach Kyle Stelter (37:37)
I'm sure.
And you know what? I've had a lot of guys hit me up about doing my pro prep camp for high school athletes, you know, doing a college prep. And that might be in the mix. We'll see. I don't love doing camps. not a, I don't love getting into like, I don't want to be a campter and I don't like the organizational. It's stressful for me to do all this, but I see the benefit. So that's why I do it.
Chris Hall (37:52)
We're going to be camp director.
Yeah.
Coach Kyle Stelter (38:01)
But yeah, that's not been my goal. I know some people, love the act of setting up the camp and getting all these things together. And A, I don't have a lot of experience doing it. So I'm gaining that as I go and learning as I go. But B, it's not a fun thing for me. I hate calling to get insurance and calling to set up fields and getting all these people. so it's a necessary evil at this moment. once I get down there and I start to coach and I get all these guys that are hungry for knowledge, it makes it worth it for sure.
Chris Hall (38:22)
Yeah.
Coach Kyle Stelter (38:27)
So that's the cool part.
Chris Hall (38:29)
Well, if I could give a little plug, um, if I could get a little plug for the camp, if you're a snapper in college right now and you think you're NFL capable, right? You think it like, don't worry about what school you go to. You know, we just got through here and coach went to a division three school and got invited to the jets. Um, Luke was what William and Mary.
Coach Kyle Stelter (38:49)
Yeah, FCS linebacker ended up playing.
Chris Hall (38:53)
Yeah.
Yeah. William and Mary, which is a really small FCS. I mean, it's still FCS, but it's very small. Jacob Bovamoyer, he was Northern Colorado. Until I started looking into recruiting, I didn't even know Northern Colorado had a team. So, you know, like, if you're at a small school and you're capable, you know, you think you can do this, like, this is your opportunity. This is when you would go, like, get your chance to, like, be seen. And again, like,
Coach Kyle Stelter (39:06)
Right?
Chris Hall (39:19)
People call coach and they ask him what they think about guys and his opinion matters. So I would say like if you're on the fence and you're like, I would love to go pro, but I just don't know if I'm going to be able to get seen. This is a great opportunity to get seen. So.
Coach Kyle Stelter (39:32)
Well, and the
other thing I like to add to that too is that even if you don't foresee yourself going pro, you know, a lot of the guys that come to this event have aspirations, but they're not sure. I get a lot of younger guys, they're freshmen in college, they're sophomores in college, come in and get experience being around guys like that. So you're not waiting until your senior year and then...
thinking about, I do want to do something like this. So it is for exposure and training to pursue that next level, but it's also a great way just to kind of see where you're at and give yourself a little expansion on what are you currently doing and how could you grow? So yeah, I think there's a lot of room to get athletes of every shape, size, level to an event like this, just to make sure that they're pushing themselves in the right direction.
Chris Hall (40:18)
So what if someone says, know, like, coach, I can't go to Wisconsin. Like, what am I going to, how am going to see you? can't, I can't get on a plane and go to Wisconsin. Plus it's cold there.
Coach Kyle Stelter (40:28)
Yeah, know, not always it's cold. You know, we get some warm times up here as well. But I'm glad you asked. essentially, I operate a virtual training. It's the most consistent way that you can get training. So your son, JT, and I have been working virtually for a while now. And when you said he went from eighth grade to a senior, I feel like it's not been that long. But man, time's flying. But
Chris Hall (40:33)
Okay.
Coach Kyle Stelter (40:49)
The virtual route is a great route for anybody because you don't have to fly. You don't have to pay for hotels and food and all the travel expenses. And essentially what it gets you is either a six month or 12 month package that allows you to meet with me consistently. We can trade film consistently. We install drills. We make sure that you're prioritizing your needs. So every opportunity we have to kind of dig into your film. So for example, when JT sends me film,
I can go through and analyze it, make sure that he's focused on the right thing, he's making the adjustments he needs, and then able to apply those in practice as well. So once I give him feedback, he's getting me more film and then I can give him feedback on that. So there's a consistency part that I think a lot of guys struggle with. And I do think a lot of guys struggle with, hey, I tried virtual lessons before, or they have like a negative connotation with virtual in general, because they had a virtual...
class before. It's not a virtual class. It's literally us talking to each other about your interest, which is long snapping. So it's not me droning on about boring stuff that you don't care about. It's asking questions. How do you feel about things? What are you implementing? And I think that definitely is a lot different than people are expecting.
Chris Hall (42:02)
Yeah, I think that like when people hear virtual, especially when it comes to our time, they're thinking maybe that you're going to get on a zoom meeting with them or something. And I know that you do a zoom meeting once a month with virtual people, just to kind of talk about where we're at the state of the union, so to speak. But just for those who are listening, it's, it's a lot like we use as a platform where you send the film and then he sends it back to you like John Madden would it's doctored. It's he's talking over it. He's circling things and pointing and stuff.
And it's and then and then beyond that, he says, hey, based on what I've seen, hey, these are the two or three drills I think you need to work on until we meet again, which again, is like the next week or whatever. So I feel like, you know, virtual is kind of not like doesn't give it the the true meaning of what you're doing for people. But what I would say is like, you know, there are very few long snapping coaches in the nation period. Most special teams coordinators don't actually know anything about snapping.
That's not to their detriment. It's just, again, how the system's built. They are typically the tight ends coach, or maybe they're middle linebacker coach. And they've also got that as a thing. What I've noticed is, especially in the college ranks, they will go get an assistant. And the assistant will specialize in the snapping. And then they'll get another assistant. And that guy specializes in the field goal kickers or the punters or whatever. But most special teams coordinators, it's a lot like what Coach was talking about.
They don't really know like, if you do this with your arms or you do this with your hands, you're going to fix this. They're just like, you got to get it higher. I mean, that's the extent of the knowledge. you really truly need, and that's college level. And to some degree, even NFL level. So if you think your high school coach knows about snapping, it's probably not true. He probably has a base knowledge, and that's about it. So I'm not trying to defunct.
Coach Kyle Stelter (43:39)
now.
Chris Hall (43:49)
like high school coaches, I'm just saying like, I've seen the difference. know, like the level of competency at each level. And it really does make a difference to call somebody and say, Hey, I threw the ball and this happened to me. What do you see? And it's like, ⁓ I noticed with your elbows, you were doing this and you don't normally do that or those kinds of things. just, have to be. So let me back up for a second. with JT specifically, when people talk about the long snapping position, you know,
It's a technician job. is not a brute force job like a linebacker or fullback or even an offensive lineman. I mean, if you're athletic and you can push people around, it's going to help you for sure. But it is truly a technician job. I would say in adult life, it transitions very similar to a golf swing. There's a lot of people who can golf, but not well. You can learn golf in a couple of lessons, but you're not going to be good at it.
But there are some guys who just have this perfect seamless swing and then and then you go well that I can do that and then you realize it's a hundred and seventy two different mechanics all working at the same time and that's that's what I feel like snappiness so I feel like you need someone who's going to be able to go hey like just like if you want to be a better golf you got to get golf lessons you can't just get better watching YouTube videos so anyway that's my two cents on that
Coach Kyle Stelter (44:54)
I think that's great.
Right? When I think that's a great example, I
do think there's a lot of people who would say, yeah, I can get better at golf just by watching YouTube videos and going out and I'll just get a lot of reps. Then you know what? Some people might, they might actually see some pretty good progress there. But at the same time, like you're not learning and putting into action all these things you could be. So you don't know what you don't know. And so,
Whenever I'm talking to an athlete and I talk to lot of snappers pretty consistently, guys I work with, guys I don't work with, and I think a lot of the times guys that I don't work with are maybe in the back of their mind thinking, yeah, know, it looks cool, but I don't know if I need it. I'm not for everybody. You know, I really want to work with guys that are hungry to improve. And there's absolutely a lot of guys out there who are happy. They're happy where they're at. They're doing fine. They're not screwing up.
and that's where they want to be. And I think I've had guys in the past that kind of have that thought process and then they get to the college level and then they're like, crap, I need to have another level. I need some more urgency. I need to do something to either A, win the job or keep the job or keep my scholarship. So there's definitely a lot that goes into that that I think you don't know until you get there or until it just hits you in the face.
Chris Hall (46:16)
And I would say like, ⁓ like JT started eighth grade and I feel like he, feel like it was a good time for him. He was ready for it at the time, but I remember talking to you at the time. That was probably the youngest kid you had ever coached. And I know since then it's been way different than that, but when do you think, when do you think kids should start like saying, Hey, I think I need more help. I really want to like get better at this.
Coach Kyle Stelter (46:38)
You know, it's a good question because, you know, early on I was open to working with, you know, any level and I still will. What I've noticed though is that if I get a kid that's really young, I don't really even care for them to know what they're doing. You know, if they like to do it, work on it. You know, there's definitely some drills you could throw in and have fun with it. But I've had other younger kids where I can tell they're not motivated as much as their parents are motivated. And so I think, you know, for my ideal client,
currently is going to be at least in high school. If there's a talented eighth grader that knows it's what he wants to do and put the work in, that's great. But I don't think that's as common as people might think. A lot of eighth grade kids, I still want them to enjoy the position. I don't want it to be a job for them yet. And I know even at the highest level, I want these guys to have fun doing it.
And if they feel like it's a chore, if they feel like it's not as fun as it used to be, then they're not doing something right. They're repping too much, they're not focused on the right things. We want to make sure that we're focused on the process and not just the product. And if you don't enjoy that process, then it's going to be really hard to enjoy that product or being in the game, being a part of the team. So once again, it's not for everybody.
So that's maybe something that guys figure out down the road is they think they really like it or they really want it until they're in college, waking up at 4 a.m., they're busting their butt in the weight room, they're traveling all the time, all these things are hard. And what they saw was game days look cool, but they didn't see all that work that went into it. And that might change their perspective. But either way, you don't know until you get into it, right? So I think everybody's gotta figure it out for themselves.
Chris Hall (48:15)
That's good. I like that though. I like, you know, like, I feel like sometimes when you talk to people and you're like, Hey, what's a what's an ideal client? And I think sometimes you get the answer of like, people who have money. You know, and you don't want that you want someone you want someone who's honest and like, Hey, listen, I want to work with people that want to be worked with. I want to work with people that have goals and things like that. I think that's really important. And I really appreciate that you said it that way. Because I know that you're in
Coach Kyle Stelter (48:26)
No.
Chris Hall (48:41)
you've got lot of integrity. I really thought that, you know, I honestly, when I asked you a question, I kind of thought that you would give, you know, an answer that was full of integrity. thank you for that. Anything else you want to talk about before we head out?
Coach Kyle Stelter (48:51)
I appreciate it.
You know what? I know you had mentioned this earlier, but I really like to talk about when I was in high school, nobody told me I could be a long snapping coach. And you know, you got counselors that try to help people find a track and a path. I think mine told me I could be a cake decorator or a doctor or like a fire. You know, like you take an aptitude test and I think mine said cake decorating was a great.
Chris Hall (49:12)
Okay.
Coach Kyle Stelter (49:18)
job for me in the future. Or they're like, hey, here are the standard jobs. But there was not a lot of push to like, hey, you know, you could do whatever you want. Or there's all these other options. So I'm very intrigued. Whenever I have a client that comes in and their parents are with, I would say a majority of the time, their parents do something I've never heard of like, wow, that's interesting. And I'm curious about how they got into it or what that looks like.
lot of these people seem to enjoy their jobs and make a lot of money and they do well. So that's just something I was never excited about work. Like what do I want to do when I grow up? I guess I have to work. I never really enjoyed working for other people. So I think that's just something
to consider. you're a younger ⁓ athlete or student and you don't know what to do, research. There's so many things you could do. Find a passion of yours and see how you could make money being around it at the very least. Not everybody is going to be a great coach, but if you like football, there's so many ways you can be around it. I've met a lot of people who got into training. They got into
recruiting, got into administration, they get into so many different avenues and they're around the team, they're on the field. So that's just one example but I think that's just something I like to be able to spread awareness of is just make sure that you're not just going about and just living that one track life. If you aren't happy doing or thinking about what you could be doing in just a basic way, research. Get around, talk to other people.
The opportunities are endless.
Chris Hall (50:45)
I am so thankful you said that. Like one of the core tenets of the reason I put this podcast together was I wanted people to know that there are all kinds of different ways to make money. that like healthy wealth is really, it's about health, it's about wealth, but it's really about the idea that like, I don't want people to be robots. Like I feel like our society is fairly
You know, geared towards like, you're going to sit here at this time and move here at this time. You're to eat lunch at this time. You're going to talk to this guy and he's going to tell you what to do. It's very robotic. And so I love it when people like you like completely just invent something that never existed. And, and you've been rewarded for that. You know, it's been a good business for you, but the thing is, is you're also rewarding so many other people doing it.
I love what I do. I love being a financial advisor. I love helping people achieve their goals of retirement and giving passing wealth onto their kids and stuff like that. It's not something I thought I could even do when I was a kid. I thought you had to go to like USC School of Wharton or be born part of the Rockefeller line or something. there's all sorts. I think that's a really good point to make is like if you love football and you're like five foot seven and 142 pounds.
there's still spots for you. It may not be on the field, it might be off the field. But it was kind of funny when we were at our recruiting trip this last weekend. They were doing their warmups and the quarterbacks were ripping the ball to these. don't think they're just assistants, right? I don't know if they're grad assistants or regular assistants, but they're ripping and the kids are catching them. And I'm thinking like, they're not even wearing gloves, man. That's crazy. And JT, I would love to be one of those kids. And I was like, what, really?
Like that seems like I wouldn't want that at all. I wouldn't want a guy throwing a ball at me a hundred miles an hour. But like, again, like just, you know, just to be around the program, people, you know, there's lots of jobs for those guys. And I think that's a really good opportunity for people who are listening is I think outside the box, you know, like you doesn't know everybody has to be a, what'd you say firefighter or Baker? You know what mean? Like we don't have to all be that we can do whatever we want. So that's pretty cool.
Coach Kyle Stelter (52:40)
Right? Yeah.
exactly. Well, you know what?
Inventing this job for myself, it's a lot different than my teaching job I had. You know, go to a teaching job, you work in the morning, you get done, you're done with work. Now, I don't have hours. I work early in the morning, I work all day, I work at night, but the rewarding part of it, know, helping athletes and helping people get where they want to be, that's the payoff. So I might work more hours, but it's
flexible, I enjoy it, it's not like work, you know, so I think there's a difference too. think different people are motivated by different things and some people might want a job where they can just go in, make money, clock out, be done. And I know people like myself are motivated by just I need to be, I need to be, I need have something to work on and to do and that just motivates me a little bit more. So yeah, either way think once again there's just a lot of different options out there so go research it and get after it if you want to.
Chris Hall (53:39)
I love that. That's really good information. That's great. That's a great way to end this podcast. Go be something that you want to be. Don't tell you don't let anybody else tell you what you want to be. That's pretty cool. I like that a lot. So well, coach, I appreciate your time. I always love talking to you. And if there's anything I do to help you and promote your business, I definitely want to. My son is a better person that actually goes into like kind of what you're saying.
There was about probably a year ago when I said to JT, I said, if you never make the NFL, if you don't even get a scholarship somewhere to play ball, like if this is the end of your career after high school, I can tell you that I know you will be successful because I've watched you work. And I know that like hard work does pay off and it may not pay off in this avenue, but you now have the skill sets. You know what coaching is about.
You know what like drills are about. You will be able to get yourself to the next level of whatever you decide to do. And I think that's, I think that's sometimes hidden in all of the stuff you're doing. The distraction is hidden that you're building a work ethic. And I think that's really cool that you provide that for kids.
Coach Kyle Stelter (54:44)
And I really hope that
guys take that away from this because I want them to be a better person because the unfortunate reality is most guys won't play in the NFL. So every level you go up, gets narrower and narrower at the top.
Chris Hall (54:54)
with it.
Coach Kyle Stelter (54:58)
at the very least I want them to learn how to hold themselves to a higher standard, how to push through adversity and how to just improve themselves consistently. you know, those will benefit them no matter where they go in life and I think that's just a byproduct of this training and what I do and it's just kind of cool. It's cool to think about.
Chris Hall (55:17)
Yeah. What's your preferred way for people to get a hold of you,
Coach Kyle Stelter (55:20)
Yeah, so if people want to reach out, social media is probably the best way. If they go on Instagram, at specialteamsu, probably one of the best ways. That's where I post the most anyway. Check out some of my videos, some of my content I post there, and then they can absolutely reach out to me there as well.
Chris Hall (55:34)
Okay, and then we got the website. I'll make sure to link to your Instagram and your website. ⁓ Anything else you could think of?
Coach Kyle Stelter (55:36)
website specialteamsu.com
I'm on Twitter, on Instagram, I'm on TikTok, I'm everywhere but you know special teams you just search that Google it you'll be able to find me
Chris Hall (55:50)
That's great. That's great. And just in case you're a recruiter and this video happens to go viral, I'm also going to stick my son's Twitter in the profile in the description. So just so you know. You never know, coach. So all right.
Coach Kyle Stelter (55:59)
There you go.
Absolutely, you never know. ⁓
Chris Hall (56:03)
Yeah. All right. Thank you so much for your time, Coach. It's always great to talk to you.
Coach Kyle Stelter (56:07)
Alright thanks, thanks for having me.
Chris Hall (56:08)
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