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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Lockie
Oh, ready? No, I'm not doing that anymore. I'm not doing that more. Okay. Welcome, welcome. This is, episode. What? I'm sorry, I don't.
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Lleyton
Know. I said four of season.
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Lockie
Two, episode four, season two. Welcome back. This is the unfunded podcast. I feel really bad for you right now. This is probably gonna be a bit of a rushed episode. It's a bit of a messy episode. I rake right now, and I feel horrible for you. I've literally got off the plane, I'm going to say one hour ago, and I moved straight here.
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Lockie
So I smell like a dog.
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Lleyton
At least the viewers don't have to smell you like I do.
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Lockie
Yeah, exactly. The stench. The room.
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Lleyton
But I'll stay over here.
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Lockie
Yeah. Anyway, we're back and we're getting an episode out, and that's exactly, what we're here to do. What's been going on? I haven't seen you in a couple days, actually.
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Lleyton
Hello? Just. Just cruising. Really? Yeah. Same old, same old getting trained on back at uni now. So that's, it's all, it's all just, you know, blending into one. But soon I'll be over in New Zealand arising. So that'll be good. Yeah. Boy. Yeah. How is your. How's your racing this weekend, Locky?
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Lockie
It was good. It was good for those of you that don't know I mean we we mentioned it last week, but, Yeah. Napier County champs, sprint distance champs. And it was good fun. It actually was a really good obviously it's always easy to come back once you've had a, you know, pretty good race, but, yeah, it was good fun.
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Lockie
Like the weather was really good on the Saturday. So we had a really good like day for the, for the individual race. The I've, I've never seen two polar opposite days like that before. Like that was quite insane that it was it was kind of warm on the individual day. Like we didn't wear wetsuits like it was serious, you know, like a summer's day.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it was.
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Lockie
Fucking freezing. The next day it's like next day, miserable, rainy, windy, nine degrees, something like that. Like it was gross. Even this morning, getting on the plane, it was like 5 a.m. or something were on the tarmac and it said like, feels like one degree. Like it was very grim, so grim. But, all in all, it was a really good weekend.
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Lockie
I think it was a pretty contested field life.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it was pretty solid field.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah, even like looking at the results, like we ran some pretty quick times. Like it was a really strong swim. So like I myself like kind of tried to take the swim head on when you've got the likes of A Heat and Wild. Yeah. In the race racing, you want to try it. You want to try break him and break him early.
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Lockie
And I mean we weren't able to do that. Obviously it's it's tight and wild. But you know you're always going into a race with the goal to win. So just because I was there that didn't really change that. I wanted to still win the race. And I knew that I had to make it a really hard swim. Black run.
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Lockie
Yeah. I think he passed me, I want to say 400m into the black flag, or I saw his Red bull helmet come past and I thought, well, you have done.
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Lleyton
That on this crew.
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Lockie
Terrible job at trying to break him in the swim.
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Lleyton
But, I mean, that's also kind of a cool sign to see that he swims. Come back to it. Yeah, pretty solid level.
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Lockie
I mean I.
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Lleyton
Mean to be able to swim even though it wasn't a massive field, which is different.
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Lockie
And I think that's where like, you know, people, people that are still.
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Lleyton
A good swim felt.
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Lockie
Like it was a good.
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Lleyton
Sign yourself. Saxon. Oskar. Who else was up there?
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Lockie
We did a terrible crime. We did a terrible job of making it a fast swim. Okay, so, like, swimming the last, like, 200m, three animators with two Kiwis either side of my hair, lady. And I'm like, boys, what are we doing?
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Lleyton
Yeah, it's just starting out.
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Lockie
They should have gone one by one. Single file. Stream this thing out. Like me and Jack Chrome were beating each other up around the first two cans. I was like, this is not looking good.
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Lleyton
You boys are all still very good swimmers. Yeah, when.
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Lockie
You got too many good swimmers in, like, the one area, sometimes it slows it down. Yeah. So yeah, it slowed it down. We all came together obviously height and just being the blocker lottery is just made it so difficult. Yeah. And he did a for the first one to be like 1 or 2 laps I think we had a few people split off the back and it was kind of like only a few boys are really strong enough to actually pull hold on turns.
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Lockie
Yeah. So like I was pretty eager to, like, you know, make sure that I wasn't missing a turn or, like. Yeah, not try, like, big note anything. But, like, I wanted to really show that, like, yeah, I can, I can, I can't match you. I can't ride the power. You can. But you know I can ride on your wheel.
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Lockie
And then also pole and. Yeah, yeah. So there was a few boys.
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Lleyton
That won't be the guy, you know, talking on the podcast in the back.
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Lockie
Yeah, exactly. So like I was making sure and I definitely tried to like everywhere I saw Hayden go I was on his wheel. Yeah, I wanted to be on. I wanted to be the one going back. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Because that's obviously where the race is going. Like he's the hot favorite in the race. Like it's hard to beat, two time Olympic medalist. Exactly. The caliber there is pretty elite.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah. And nothing we've ever said is ever questioned his ability anyway. No, we know he's a phenomenal athlete. But yeah, some of the some of the boys did really well. Like you had you Jack Grimes, Luke Schofield's they were they were up there sort of rolling rolling some strong turns. Oscar waiting. Obviously he had a massive breakout race.
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Lockie
Yeah. And then and Henry, making and Saxon Morgan, those two were also very strong. So. Yeah, we got off the bike, he attacked it going into the last lap, and he held sort of like a 8 to 10 second gap. He basically got to that gap really quickly. And then he just held that eight to 10s for the rest of the bike leg.
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Lockie
So it wasn't like he was so much stronger that like a group of us were able to hold that.
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Lleyton
Hold that guy square.
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Lockie
And then for the first lap of the run we went. We went out pretty solid, like I think we have, I think we would have maybe got close to we would go close to negative splitting if we didn't sort of play a bit of cat mouse in that second lap. But yeah, we kind of held like that 8 to 10 second gap on him into a half.
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Lockie
Yeah, two and a half guys are running. And then I think even with the sprint finish the boys, some of the boys up front kind of closed it like I think Saxon only ended up about eight seconds behind. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Which is pretty impressive man. You never know if he had more in the tank.
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Lockie
Oh, I definitely don't think Hayden went. Oh, balls.
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Lleyton
To the wall.
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Lockie
Yeah, I definitely don't think Hayden went all in. I think like a few people probably didn't go all in. I don't think Saxon went all in. I definitely felt like I had plenty more in the tank myself. Like it's early days. No one's peaking, right?
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Lleyton
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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Lockie
If you are peaking right now, like one, it's dangerous or two is probably for purpose. Like I think some of the Kiwis had like selection policies they needed to make. So like the Henry's probably like doing pretty well right now. Saxe is probably doing pretty well too. But, yeah, you don't really want to be pagan, right?
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Lleyton
Yeah, exactly. Well, we might as well get into the full recap of Napier. Yeah. Wearing it. Yeah. What else was, the the girls.
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Lockie
The girls is strong. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Red hot can. Did you see much of the girls rice help played out.
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Lockie
And we saw we saw majority like the back into the back to the run. Yeah. There was a there was we were told there was like a six girl breakaway. I'm not I'm not going to pretend to know who was in it. But there was a we have strong breakaway. No shadows is in it. Freya Roderick. Obviously Ivy Goodison as well.
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Lleyton
No, no Aspen wasn't.
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Lockie
Oh, she was part of the group the rode up. Okay. So then there was I, I, I believe there was the then the chase pack of Aspen Anderson Rochelle Hill, the Ellie hoisting. Okay. Those kind of.
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Lleyton
Go to Ronnie go. Yeah.
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Lockie
Yeah a few more the Ronnie girls which I know I think obviously the ladies aren't wanting them to be there. So when you got Rochelle and Aspen sort of coming in red hot, you don't want them.
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Lleyton
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
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Lockie
That front pack. So, yeah, I think they came together with maybe two laps to go and then rolled together for two laps. And then. Yeah, it was a running race.
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Lleyton
Rice. Yeah. Which is pretty cool. Desiree.
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Lockie
Raymond, is that Rodney riding on?
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Lleyton
I don't know, it's a bit. It's like a French, Canadian kind of name, isn't it? Yeah. She won it, but she's. And obviously Oceania. And then Aspen was second. Yes. Rochelle said was her show and then fourth was Sophie Maloney. Yeah. So that's I mean oh class that is an all Aussie podium.
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Lockie
It's pretty. It's pretty. And I think even would you have shadows of sixth Ellie hoisting seventh. So like was the girls a very dominant. Yeah it goes very.
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Lleyton
That was good to say.
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Lockie
Yeah. Better than the boys we got. We got clean.
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Lleyton
Swept. Yeah. The boys who was at Hayden.
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Lockie
Yeah. Hayden Wilde, Saxon Morgan and Henry McMeekin.
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Lleyton
Yep. That's good. Oscar.
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Lockie
And for Oscar and for myself. Fifth. Yeah. For anybody who thinks I got third. I didn't get third.
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Lleyton
Yeah, that was weird.
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Lockie
I'm. I'm also. I'm not on the side of, like, you should have given me a medal. Yeah, I'm not on that. Like, I don't want people thinking, like, I was claiming that I actually wasn't even in. I wasn't even in the ceremony pin where they were, like, presenting the medals. I had to, like, get me to jump the fence because I was like, I got fifth.
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Lockie
Like, there's no I got. Yeah, I don't know.
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Lleyton
That's the first time I've seen, any championships give like different athlete because usually they can pull on a late and under 23. Yeah. Like because you can race a late as an under 23. Definitely. So I didn't get why they would put like just a late podium.
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Lockie
I it's never I've never seen it before.
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Lleyton
And I it's a new rule.
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Lockie
I didn't I didn't like it though. I definitely think it's like if you're an under 23 stepping up into the elite, like I mean realistically being in on 23 only matters on one day.
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Lleyton
Yeah, well.
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Lockie
I'm the 23 world champs is really all that matters. But like to keep him separate in terms of like championship points and all that. I understand that. But you don't then take them out of the elite category. They're still elite. Yeah. Like they're still nominating for the elite on the 23 race.
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Lleyton
Yeah.
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Lockie
So like in my head it should have been two medal ceremonies. You had the elite which was Henry making Oscar.
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Lleyton
Oscar, on 23.
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Lockie
You're on to 23. Yeah. Henry. Oscar and Darcey. Yeah. Williams. They should have been the top three. And then top three should have been three across the line. Yeah. Oceania champions that it? Yeah. Yeah. Then give a separate a light.
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Lleyton
So it's weird.
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Lockie
I'm not for I'm not for the side where I got a medal. Cool. All right Jocelyn.
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Lleyton
Just to clarify I was literally watching. It'd be good on Instagram though. Yeah for that one. First said a late I mean.
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Lockie
I'll claim it. You bet. In my carousel of photos in the weekend, I'll be all invited. There'll be a podium shot of me with height of old and Saxon Regan.
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Lleyton
But they're the late.
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Lockie
Fifth brackets.
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Lleyton
Third that somehow or third brackets.
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Lockie
Fifth. Yeah. You decide.
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Lleyton
Yeah. That's good. So since you've been away. Yeah, a few, few triathletes have popped up back in the Gold Coast.
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Lockie
I've seen the Strava.
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Lleyton
I'm excited. Love it here. The British squad, they love it. So that got us thinking.
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Lockie
It's not even the British anymore. It's also the Kiwis. It's like we had some we had American friends. The Austrians are here. Literally everybody in our squad is now an international school.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it's so weird.
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Lockie
It's annoying. It's good. But I get really upset when I don't have a yoga mat. Yeah, way. When we're doing people and I walk in and there's a bunch of British and Austrians on the yoga mats, and I don't get to get one. I'm fucking fuming.
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Lleyton
Yeah, I'm a bit like, that's.
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Lockie
My yoga mat.
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Lleyton
You use your towel. We have 16 of them. Yeah.
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Lockie
16 of us athletes. You get your towel out, get on the grass, get it over everyone.
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Lleyton
I don't know why, but everyone's loving the Gold Coast at the moment. Well, I know why I'm here.
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Lockie
Don't know why I might look at the weather we got. I just I just got back from zero degrees and it's like I'm sweating right now.
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Lleyton
Yeah, it is cracking spot to train, but it made us think. What makes such a good training environment? Why do all of these people come here? I mean, it's over the other side of the world. We're always thinking, oh, get to Europe, get to Europe, or now, maybe this year with, a few of the races in South America, find an American base to go train.
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Lleyton
But seems like right now Gold Coast is a hot spot. So what makes a good training environment? That's what we thought. What are the necessities that you need? The basics. Because you don't want to go somewhere that's, you know, got 125 made a pool, but it's at altitude and, you know, different kind of things like that.
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Lockie
Yeah. I mean people obviously like assess their environments before they go. And that's what good coaches do, good staff members do. They go there, see what the environments like, assess the situation. But yeah, I mean, there's definitely a few factors why they would choose the Gold Coast course like that. I think especially the K1. And we spoke to the Brits about it.
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Lockie
I don't think they've they said it's almost the most amount of days in a row that I've had rain. It's the most consistent rain days every day in winter.
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Lleyton
They've had rain somewhere in the UK.
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Lockie
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a stat every every day. That was the first time where every day across winter they've had some part of the UK.
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Lleyton
So that is hard. And you go there. You've been to the UK. Yeah. Years I try.
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Lockie
I go in the summer. Yeah. It's a bit different, not much better. It's maybe 50% better every second day. Yeah, but.
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Lleyton
That's all right.
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Lockie
I think the number one is climate. Climate. It's not. It's still cold. It's it's coming out of the winter phase. Even in Spain, France, Germany it's still cold to cold. Yes. No. Yeah. It's it's not ideal. So like climate is the one thing they're all coming over here to try and try and get a bit of.
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Lleyton
Heat is chasing summer. Yeah. All year round. Real estate is. And I mean for that optimal performance. Like a few of these guys in that elite British squad, you might as well go chase summer 24 seven. I mean if you can. Yeah. If you can. You might as well do it, which is pretty cool. But we'll go into some of the facilities and the different set ups that, I mean, a needed for a good spot for training.
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Lleyton
And I feel one of the best things about being on the Gold Coast and Australia, we hear.
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Lockie
This one.
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Lleyton
All the talks about who told us Chase McQueen said this, which is like we.
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Lockie
Enjoyed hearing that this is such, this is such a big thing for internationals. Yeah.
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Lleyton
And this for.
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Lockie
Us is normal.
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Lleyton
The Austrians were talking about today. Yeah. And it's the 50 meter pools. Yeah.
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Lockie
Outdoor pools as well.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Heated warm 50 meter pools. They said they have three 50 meter pools that are indoors that you could swim all year round. Yeah. In Austria three C and we have three at Miami. The two you know there's three within A5K radius.
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Lockie
It doesn't like until you think back to when we were in Cardiff. When did we swim outdoors. Other than a.
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Lleyton
Quarter. Yeah I for one and that was freezing.
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Lockie
Everything's everything's indoors. Yeah. Everything that I have is indoors and it's in like these dingy dungeon.
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Lleyton
Yeah. Like little schools.
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Lockie
It's always weed rain in there. But honestly, it's not until you kind of like and every, every sort of center that I've swam in, I'm like, yeah, you're right. It's all indoor.
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Lleyton
All indoors, a lot of 25 meter swimming. Yeah. Not great open waters like we have perfect open water here. Yeah.
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Lockie
You got big lakes and stuff over there, but still. Not that I feel like it's not as free as being able to. Just like, that if the surface flat, go jump.
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Lleyton
The stage.
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Lockie
Slightly. Not so busy. You go jump in the creek. Yeah.
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Lleyton
Exactly. Right.
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Lockie
So accessible.
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Lleyton
Yeah. I hate swimming like hipsley, which is like our little kind of lagoon thing up here is so grim. And especially when we have such a beautiful, like, coastline on our doorstep. Yeah, I hate.
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Lockie
It every single week. Every single week when our like, not raw start out like training schedule comes out and you're like, I always look for Friday morning. What is it tally Craig easily. And when I say it's like, oh, and it's crazy. Like they would all think it's the nicest place ever.
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Lleyton
I don't know who said it. I think it was one of the Austrians maybe, or someone who can't remember. Guys. Oh, this is really good. This one. Like. Yeah, really like this. Literally. I'm like, oh, this is so great. Yeah.
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Lockie
It's like the 1500 made a horseshoe.
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Lleyton
Yeah, yeah. Anyway, so that's our open water. What, what makes, you know, you're swimming so good. And it's the accessibility to big 50 meter pools and a great open water kind of environment.
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Lockie
And we really do have I think that I think that's.
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Lleyton
Probably the thing that we have I.
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Lockie
Think Gold Coast that is our 100% best.
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Lleyton
Feature. Yep I agree okay. What makes a good writing set up?
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Lockie
I don't know if we have that here.
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Lleyton
I don't know if we do because I got absolutely abused on the I hate the group chat. It was actually when I was actually fucked.
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Lockie
I actually want to this is getting out of out of control and like it's not until I've had friends that have become cyclists who are I haven't been cyclist in the past and they've been caught up in this misconception of like, it is almost just, I'll almost want to say trend, which is a hate cyclist.
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Lleyton
Oh, it's bad.
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Lockie
Either getting into cycling or you're hating cyclists. I saw real and like typical. I saw a real the other day and it said, like, I have just as much of a right as you do to get home safely. Yeah, just because I ride a bike does not give you permission to take away that. Right. And like, it's.
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Lleyton
Pretty bad up here.
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Lockie
People really do not understand how many close calls we've had with people like us doing our job. Yeah, riding a bike is our job. Just like a tradie uses a hammer, a chef uses a knife. Yeah, like it's the exact same thing. We're using a black as a as a tool. It's a tool to do our job. And you don't have the right to come and take that away from us.
00:16:53:12 - 00:17:13:00
Lleyton
Yeah. Like it was shocking on the weekend. And, I won't get into a bit like this guy, literally, just like ran made myself an ally. We just went out for, like, two and a bit hours, rode up each one, and we were riding back. Just fabulous. We can. Do you know that two abreast. It's it's legal. It is not illegal on the inside of the wall online as well.
00:17:13:00 - 00:17:21:22
Lleyton
And this big guy in a ram just find Thomson abuses us a lot, tries to run us off the road, gets out of his car twice, like staunch.
00:17:21:22 - 00:17:24:29
Lockie
Like where he said he's, like, driven because you guys stopped on the side of God.
00:17:25:01 - 00:17:26:13
Lleyton
Oh, yeah.
00:17:26:13 - 00:17:27:28
Lockie
And we'll just get a water bottle. Just go.
00:17:28:05 - 00:17:31:24
Lleyton
On a bit like we were like taken off guard because it's not as if.
00:17:31:26 - 00:17:33:00
Lockie
You don't see it all the time.
00:17:33:00 - 00:17:51:25
Lleyton
You didn't like babies. Babies, you know, and all these other cars came fast, completely fine. So we weren't, like, on edge. Yeah. You know how sometimes you can get on edge if, like, silence, like. Yeah. Then another person. All right. Yeah, yeah. You can get angry. Bit like he just came off and we couldn't match it. Like he was just angry for the sake of us being on the road, which was crazy.
00:17:51:29 - 00:17:54:29
Lleyton
Anyway, enough of that story.
00:17:55:01 - 00:17:57:04
Lockie
That's that's one. That's the one big downfall.
00:17:57:04 - 00:18:01:20
Lleyton
That is the one big downfall in Australia especially like, yeah, there's some bogans out there.
00:18:01:20 - 00:18:03:18
Lockie
Hatred towards cyclists.
00:18:03:20 - 00:18:08:21
Lleyton
But yeah, safety is probably the number one. Yeah. If you can get some nice safe roads, that's number one.
00:18:08:21 - 00:18:27:18
Lockie
We still got great riding road like you got you Springbrook badge, Mount Tom, one mountain brain. Like the amount of climbs that we've got. Like you've got great altitude, you've got great roads at the back. You can do big 120, 140 K loops. We got Crumb and Valley, Tally Valley cane fields. If you want to do time travel, it's like.
00:18:27:19 - 00:18:33:26
Lleyton
You've got you've got the flats, you've got the hills. And you also have like those close off sections like the creek tracks and the velodrome.
00:18:33:28 - 00:18:35:23
Lockie
So you have a majority of riding.
00:18:35:23 - 00:18:36:27
Lleyton
Yeah, which is good.
00:18:36:27 - 00:18:39:02
Lockie
It's purely just that we're getting a bit busy at the moment.
00:18:39:02 - 00:18:39:26
Lleyton
Yeah. That's.
00:18:39:28 - 00:18:41:06
Lockie
That's, that's the downside.
00:18:41:06 - 00:18:57:27
Lleyton
Overpopulation in the Gold Coast. But if you can find a place that has high hills, you flat uninterrupted riding where you can get out of the city. Yeah, I mean, that's a pain in the ass way. Try and just go west as soon as we can, rather than going down the coast like, traffic.
00:18:57:27 - 00:18:59:03
Lockie
Lots of. Yeah. And bad.
00:18:59:05 - 00:19:00:00
Lleyton
Yeah. They're a pain in the.
00:19:00:00 - 00:19:05:22
Lockie
Ass and roadworks. Is you bloody tram tram tramline. Tramlines is taking out the Goudie.
00:19:05:24 - 00:19:17:21
Lleyton
But, if you can get those kind of four K's, like, safe riding hills, flats and uninterrupted riding, I think that is your perfect ride. Set up for a base.
00:19:17:21 - 00:19:22:00
Lockie
I don't think it's that. Well, I think there's a lot of places in Europe which probably would have.
00:19:22:03 - 00:19:25:25
Lleyton
This is probably the best for cycling, isn't it? It's more of a cultural thing.
00:19:25:25 - 00:19:41:24
Lockie
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I mean, there's some sort of places. I mean, it's definitely more cultural in, in Europe, but, yeah, there's probably some places where, it's a bit flatter than others, like where you can get, you know, a hill that you ride for 30 minutes and you're at the base of a 30 minute climb sort of thing.
00:19:41:24 - 00:19:49:01
Lockie
So we're very lucky there. But yeah, majority of the time there's like, you be fun and learn Europe. Riding is not too hard.
00:19:49:05 - 00:19:52:10
Lleyton
Cool and rolling. What makes a good run set up?
00:19:52:15 - 00:19:57:07
Lockie
I think we've even spoken about this before. Like a lot of it is like a variation of surface areas.
00:19:57:07 - 00:20:02:09
Lleyton
Yeah, I think that's what we're trying to do a lot now with the squad. Yeah, it's find a bit more grass.
00:20:02:09 - 00:20:03:07
Lockie
We're definitely and.
00:20:03:07 - 00:20:04:05
Lleyton
Like front surface.
00:20:04:05 - 00:20:08:21
Lockie
Previously I think especially Aussies we're addicted to going fast.
00:20:08:24 - 00:20:09:07
Lleyton
Yeah.
00:20:09:07 - 00:20:21:19
Lockie
We don't like to take our off season slow because like we don't we don't feel like we have that necessary time to be able to go slow and build strong. Like we're very much racing in March, February.
00:20:21:21 - 00:20:43:19
Lleyton
Is a bit of a backwards. Our running is a bit backwards because we have track races in summer, which is extremely fast, and then cross-country in winter. Yeah, which is a bit backwards for a triathlete way. Yeah. And you know, January champions. Do you want to be running a track race in December. Yeah. Not necessarily exactly. So that's kind of a bit backwards for us here in Australia.
00:20:43:22 - 00:20:48:25
Lleyton
What do you think about the necessity of a start in track?
00:20:48:27 - 00:20:51:19
Lleyton
I don't think it's very necessary. I don't think it is. However, I mean.
00:20:51:19 - 00:21:13:14
Lockie
Like it again, for a triathlete like way or triathlon podcast. At triathletes, I don't think it's that necessary. You can run on a road, you can run like on it. We've got a grass track. Yeah. If you don't speed run on the road. Well, we don't really I don't I don't think it's that necessary. The sometimes where it's nice to use and it's, it's more, it's more so just like peace of mind of I want a track.
00:21:13:14 - 00:21:29:16
Lockie
I can just run. Yeah. Without worrying about, like, if you're running a road loop or something, having to look over your shoulder for cars or, you know, having to change direction. Is there no pothole here? You know, you can just sort of, sort of switch off and just run. That's probably the only, I think, part of it benefit of it.
00:21:29:16 - 00:21:46:19
Lockie
Yeah. Like what I'm loving, I actually really have loved. We've set up like that sort of cross-country loop for us and like sort of for those who I mean, you're probably not aware for us, like a cross-country loop is very much like a it's not it's not a road, it's very grass, a little bit of off camber sort of gravel.
00:21:46:25 - 00:21:49:00
Lleyton
Up a little hill to the hills.
00:21:49:00 - 00:21:55:06
Lockie
Yeah. And even like sort of running down the side of the hills like it kind of throwing you off a little bit like it. Nothing's real. It's not a perfect.
00:21:55:11 - 00:22:04:14
Lleyton
Yeah. It's like a. Yeah. You're changing in cadence is changing. Yeah. Or different like how fast you got. You're not just holding you know three minute k's or whatever. Yeah.
00:22:04:17 - 00:22:10:00
Lockie
You can't really sort of say like oh I want to do 330. No. Because it's like, oh it's off intensely.
00:22:10:00 - 00:22:10:10
Lleyton
You do.
00:22:10:10 - 00:22:30:20
Lockie
330. So like around that 330 intensity. Yeah, sort of thing. But yeah, I'm really liking the variation. I think it's definitely important, especially like we said in an off season, which a lot of people are probably coming over here for like a bit of pre-season sort of work where we've got really good gravel trails, more so down south, like the Murwillumbah Rail Trail.
00:22:30:27 - 00:22:33:15
Lockie
Great trail out there. Krugman's got some.
00:22:33:15 - 00:22:34:02
Lleyton
Splits.
00:22:34:02 - 00:22:45:04
Lockie
Okay, it's really good. But again like it's where that kind of like 30 minute drive either side of us. But I think that's another thing that brings people to Australia is like our running's pretty good.
00:22:45:04 - 00:22:46:06
Lleyton
It is still pretty good.
00:22:46:07 - 00:22:49:12
Lockie
The only thing people definitely worried about is snakes.
00:22:49:15 - 00:22:53:15
Lleyton
Yeah. True. There's a couple snakes different. You say kangaroo though. Koala.
00:22:53:19 - 00:22:54:20
Lockie
Yeah. They're cool, but I you.
00:22:54:20 - 00:22:57:09
Lleyton
Take them off your bucket list. Yeah, well, in the long run.
00:22:57:09 - 00:22:58:10
Lockie
I don't really want to say snake.
00:22:58:10 - 00:22:59:10
Lleyton
Though. Yeah, I know I've.
00:22:59:10 - 00:23:03:17
Lockie
Ticked it off my bucket list, but I'm happy to know. Yeah. There again. Oh, I.
00:23:03:17 - 00:23:08:03
Lleyton
Think the last one is the vibe of the place. It has to be a cracking vibe.
00:23:08:03 - 00:23:22:09
Lockie
I there is no. And people say this all the time, even, even again, not that I'm on rails all the time, but you see a lot of like people that do come to Australia or more specifically the Gold Coast. They sort of say, look what an encouraging place this is.
00:23:22:09 - 00:23:24:29
Lleyton
Yeah it is, it's mount up at 5 a.m..
00:23:25:01 - 00:23:25:06
Lockie
And.
00:23:25:10 - 00:23:26:13
Lleyton
Things holidays.
00:23:26:13 - 00:23:38:11
Lockie
Running, walking, coffee in hand, something like that. They're they're doing something. I mean I mean, when I first, started dating page my girlfriend, I was like, that is the most ridiculous morning schedule I've ever heard.
00:23:38:13 - 00:23:40:03
Lleyton
To get up at five. If you don't have to.
00:23:40:04 - 00:23:50:03
Lockie
Not even fight. Who's sitting there? Alarm at three 5350. In the morning to go do a gym session and then walk after like and then go to work. I'm like, that is insane.
00:23:50:03 - 00:23:51:11
Lleyton
Yeah, I wouldn't do that. I mean.
00:23:51:11 - 00:23:53:10
Lockie
Maybe more like, that's a working class. People that have.
00:23:53:10 - 00:23:53:25
Lleyton
To do that.
00:23:53:27 - 00:23:54:27
Lockie
But like.
00:23:54:29 - 00:23:56:06
Lleyton
You, I mean ways to get.
00:23:56:06 - 00:23:57:03
Lockie
Up here where you.
00:23:57:08 - 00:24:02:08
Lleyton
See the clock all the time. Yeah. Trials. Yeah. I wish our students called. Yeah.
00:24:02:08 - 00:24:03:10
Lockie
And I thought that was early.
00:24:03:16 - 00:24:06:07
Lleyton
Yeah, exactly. It is. Exactly.
00:24:06:09 - 00:24:11:06
Lockie
But yeah, I think like like you said, the motivation, the vibe. Like people get out and just get shit done.
00:24:11:06 - 00:24:11:21
Lleyton
Yeah. It's I.
00:24:11:21 - 00:24:13:21
Lockie
Think that's a super motivating environment to be a.
00:24:13:21 - 00:24:27:09
Lleyton
Part of. Yeah. I think last mile maybe is like close proximity to get in and out of the location, especially if you're basing here for race or different things like that. Yeah. If you can fly in, fly out, I think that's perfect.
00:24:27:09 - 00:24:34:28
Lockie
Especially with like what usually we've had the last couple of years Napier and a lot of China. Well cats. Hong Kong was also.
00:24:35:01 - 00:24:35:28
Lleyton
Abu Dhabi.
00:24:36:02 - 00:24:48:20
Lockie
Yokohama. Yeah yeah Abu Dhabi, Yokohama usually the first two World Series on the calendar. So like you come here you do a good month and then you go out to you know what's relatively close. Yeah Abu Dhabi, Yokohama on the way home.
00:24:48:22 - 00:24:51:05
Lleyton
That's the same kind of, you know, distance away.
00:24:51:05 - 00:25:13:05
Lockie
So yeah. Exactly. So I think I almost think that's like the key, like the key reason for them to come out here. They've actually made it. I know this is just speaking on the British athletes, but they made it compulsory for I think everybody except the top T funded athletes to come out. So like an Alex. Yeah. You didn't have to Beth the way to I mean but I mean, I think most of them.
00:25:13:12 - 00:25:14:29
Lleyton
Is still comments people have.
00:25:14:29 - 00:25:18:14
Lockie
Yeah. Like I think the only one is maybe Sophie Caldwell and she's just had a child.
00:25:18:14 - 00:25:19:15
Lleyton
So that's fair.
00:25:19:15 - 00:25:26:17
Lockie
Enough. Like Lisa Galloway like. But yeah it's exciting. And also Gold Coast, the 100 that's coming up exactly right.
00:25:26:17 - 00:25:29:10
Lleyton
There's races on the calendar. Exactly. So it's.
00:25:29:10 - 00:25:34:21
Lockie
Cool. And hopefully we're just going to get more and more because we're going to capitalize on the growth of the sport.
00:25:34:21 - 00:25:46:29
Lleyton
Yes, exactly. Right here in the Sally Gold Coast, the podcast white color perfect manifesting maybe some cool guests. We also got their layout. Yeah. So, yeah, that's kind of.
00:25:47:02 - 00:25:56:10
Lockie
What what's the like if you were to go anywhere else? I mean, I don't know how long you've traveled, but like, where is your dream training location? Oh.
00:25:56:12 - 00:26:13:28
Lleyton
Utterly. I've never been there, but I reckon I don't know how good it is to train there, but I think due to the fact of, like, good open water swimming and vibe, I can, like south of France. Nice would be. Yeah. Because I don't know. I'm not much of a guy that likes to go out west. Would be too busy.
00:26:14:01 - 00:26:16:19
Lleyton
Maybe. Maybe. See, that's the thing. I wouldn't know.
00:26:16:21 - 00:26:18:20
Lockie
Business is like, that's a key thing too.
00:26:18:20 - 00:26:40:02
Lleyton
Yeah. So hectic. Obviously I've never been there, but I feel as if the vibe would be cool. Like, you know, you've got nice open water esplanade. Yeah. I'm guessing there's good pools and facilities there. Good riding, I guess, actually. But I don't know about, like, being landlocked in, like, a, Yeah. I don't like, I don't like towns that I can't see the water.
00:26:40:07 - 00:26:47:12
Lleyton
I've literally. It's a weird thing in my brain where I know where the water was trapped. And that's east. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:26:47:14 - 00:26:57:00
Lockie
No, I've, I've honestly thought the same thing. Even, like, obviously being in those countries will form like. What do you mean? The oceans. A ten hour drive that was like also maybe not ten miles, but like, you know, it's like.
00:26:57:07 - 00:27:02:10
Lleyton
It is a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It goes way.
00:27:02:12 - 00:27:08:20
Lockie
I think purely out of curiosity because I've not been before, but I'd like to try somewhere in the States.
00:27:08:20 - 00:27:11:05
Lleyton
Yeah, I think a lot of people will start going there.
00:27:11:12 - 00:27:29:08
Lockie
Yeah, we would definitely say that. Like, I mean I've, I've trained and you know, I've, I think I've had a couple months in Germany before and that was, that was pretty cool. The, you know, the German centers, like they do pretty well. I've spent a lot of time in the UK, like seeing a bit of Spain, always Girona, but yeah, I think again, this is just out of curiosity.
00:27:29:08 - 00:27:31:15
Lockie
I think the states.
00:27:31:17 - 00:27:32:13
Lleyton
Do something different.
00:27:32:13 - 00:27:47:07
Lockie
Oh, it's also like their high performance facilities are obviously incredible. Yeah. Like you got everything from like even you College colleges. High schools. Yeah. High performance. Tastes like they invest so much money into sport which they've got the money.
00:27:47:07 - 00:27:48:06
Lleyton
Yeah that's true.
00:27:48:07 - 00:27:49:18
Lockie
The United States of America.
00:27:49:19 - 00:27:52:19
Lleyton
That's our that's our picks for where we would go.
00:27:52:19 - 00:27:55:14
Lockie
Yeah I mean we don't we don't we just kind of get we just go train.
00:27:55:15 - 00:27:57:19
Lleyton
We just go what we're told.
00:27:57:21 - 00:27:58:11
Lockie
We're not picky.
00:27:58:11 - 00:28:03:17
Lleyton
Stay here. We're not picky guy. I think that's probably where we have to wrap it up. I've got a head.
00:28:03:24 - 00:28:04:28
Lockie
Like he's got a boyfriend.
00:28:04:28 - 00:28:14:02
Lleyton
Duties? Yeah. Or citizenship duties. What does that mean? So to become a citizen, I actually. Yeah. That's. So I got to go.
00:28:14:02 - 00:28:16:12
Lockie
Well done. Stella. Yeah, well, I thought of becoming an.
00:28:16:12 - 00:28:16:28
Lleyton
Aussie, but she.
00:28:16:28 - 00:28:18:15
Lockie
Graduated. No.
00:28:18:17 - 00:28:18:24
Lleyton
No.
00:28:18:29 - 00:28:35:09
Lockie
Well, well done, Stella. All right, well, like, I gotta be a good boyfriend. So thank you very much to everyone listening. Once again, good job to all those who raced on the weekend. We've got some exciting things coming up. Lots of racing, lots of fun. More unfunded podcasts. Cool. Thanks, guys. Bye bye.