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Every Day we Take a break from the busy work day to take a breath hang out with friends and talk about the world of sports, entertainment and specifically CrossFit.  Today we talk about a comment in the chat about the competitors who sat our last season, The Chicago Bears actually have the it factor, TFX is coming up soon, and my work on the Hattie Kanyo Documentary.

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What is Clydesdale Media Podcast?

We cover the sport of CrossFit from all angles. We talk with athletes, coaches and celebrities that compete and surround in the sport of CrossFit at all levels. We also bring you Breaking News, Human Interest Stories and report on the Methodology of CrossFit. We also use the methodology to make ourselves the fittest we can be.

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always give it one hundred.

Don't need a bank, no I'm funded.

Play the game like it's nothing.

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Don't take for granted, stay humble.

Now wake up!

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friend to me.

It's not working out,

maybe it's the chemistry.

It's time to break up.

What is going on everybody?

Welcome to Lunch with Clydesdale.

So freaking stoked to be here with you

today.

Lots of bears talking in the chat already.

Am I muted?

Am I muted?

Let me double check my audio real quick.

It says I'm good.

Okay.

So, um,

I was actually just lip syncing with the

pre-loaded sound, guys.

That's all.

So I probably threw you off.

Anyway.

So there it is.

Yeah, I was lip syncing.

I really threw you all off.

Anyway,

I'm so stoked to be here with you.

The Bears had one hell of a playoff

game this weekend.

So much fun to watch for the second

half.

The first half was painful.

And then as they have done six previous

times,

came back from a big deficit to end

up winning the game.

I cannot believe we're having the season

we're having.

The throws that Caleb made in that game

were mind-boggling.

The talent on this team is something I'm

not used to.

But what I wanted to talk about briefly,

I was kind of hoping Corey was going

to jump on today because I wanted a

little back and forth,

but we'll do it this way.

And that is, you know,

they have this miraculous comeback.

And if you're not a Bears fan or

a Packers fan,

it is the oldest rivalry in the NFL.

The towns are only...

...forty-five minutes apart.

It is insane.

Married couples are split.

It is just the oldest rivalry.

The owners of the Bears...

have said over and over again they really

don't care about the season as long as

they beat the peckers it is it is

like a college-esque rivalry so um so

anyway at the end of the game i'm

going to share my screen and there and

you know customarily uh the coaches come

to midfield and do a handshake and so

uh i'm going to share

this video with you guys I think this

is it okay so that is Matt LaFleur

you can see there he is the head

coach of the Green Bay Packers you'll see

Ben Ben Johnson come in and go to

shake his hand and I'm going to hit

play here and this is the fuss that

has gone on that's a very cursory

handshake oh love lost between these

So,

everybody's calling it the blow-by

handshake.

My question is, when did we care?

When did it become a mandate that we

had to go shake our opponents' hands after

a game?

I get it for like eight, nine,

ten-year-olds in Little League that it's

part of sportsmanship.

And at that age,

you shouldn't be taking things so

seriously.

But these guys are getting paid to beat

one another.

They have both admitted they do not like

one another.

They do not like the other team.

Why is it that we then have to

mandate that they actually come to the

middle of the field after sixty minutes of

battling each other out,

whooping each other's ass,

and then you have to come to the

middle of the field and have a handshake?

And then we read into, well,

he blew by.

They didn't stop and have a conversation.

They don't like each other.

Dick Vitale,

the longtime ESPN basketball analyst,

said that Ben Johnson ruined the magic of

the comeback by doing this blow-off

handshake and in a post-game locker room

celebration said, F the Packers.

I think Dick Vitale is way too old

to be in touch with what's going on

in the world.

It is pure insanity to me that we

put any relevance on any of this stuff.

I love that we hate the Packers.

I love that the Packers hate us.

It means more when we beat the Packers,

especially when we beat the Packers in the

playoffs and come back from a twenty one

to three deficit and come all the way

back to win the game.

I want my coach to say F the

Packers.

I want my coach to...

And I just got done watching his press

conference this morning,

and he is standing by it all.

He said he knows what this rivalry means.

He knows what it means to the city

of Chicago, and he hates that team.

And everything he does is about beating

that team.

it just boggles my mind that we treat

professional athletes who get paid like

they're an eight-year-old little nigger

that has to go to school with Tommy

tomorrow,

so let's go shake his hand and say

good game.

So I ask you, uh,

Chet Anufi, I see it on every level.

It's like the world wants to rid sports

of competition, battle,

healthy aggression, sad state of affairs.

Kenneth DeLapp, God forbid men be men.

Well, and here's this,

and I'm going to try to apply this

to like the CrossFit world.

I think one thing that the CrossFit space

is missing is

is good old-fashioned trash talking where

two competitors don't like one another.

And we came close to that, I think,

with Laura and Tia,

but it never came to full resolution

because of Tia's pregnancy and then Laura

boycotting the games.

And so I find that when the trash

talking is there and we have this sports

hate, it's not life hate,

it's sports hate for another team.

It actually adds intrigue and it adds

drama to the game that we're watching.

And it makes things way more exciting.

Way more exciting.

And I think that that's one thing that

CrossFit needs to add.

And Jody here is saying that I,

you know,

Scott wanted to see a cat fight typical

guy.

I didn't,

I don't care if it's on the men's

side or the women's side.

i've said on the show over and over

again i want laura back in the games

i want this competition it sucks that tia

is pregnant and it sucks that probably

laura isn't going to compete this year in

the game season but i wanted that back

i want to see some kind of intrigue

and drama and trash talking between two

athletes

And we almost had it with Ricky and

Matt.

And then Ricky popped for steroids.

And now Ricky's come back a much gentler

and nicer Ricky.

So now we don't have that bad guy

to root for.

But the reason I kind of brought this

up is... And here's court.

Let me...

I can say with full chest F the

Falcons.

I also hope Liverpool lose every match

they play.

Right.

We have these things.

You know,

I can also say I root for two

college football teams.

I root for Penn State and whoever Ohio

State is playing.

I can do that too.

But

Last night,

we were doing the Sunday night show,

and we brought up a pencil, pen,

and sharpie about will Pat Vellner return

for the twenty-six CrossFit Games season.

And a lot of people said pencil.

A couple people said pen.

I said sharpie.

And it's probably more hopeful than

anything, right?

And Larry Young was in the chat and

he said that all the people that decided

not to do the twenty five CrossFit game

season,

he just doesn't care about anymore and

doesn't want to root for anymore.

And he's entitled to that opinion.

And that's a fine opinion.

I personally want everybody back together

so we have the best athletes in the

space going up against each other.

But I want to ask Larry this.

If you don't like Pat Vellner anymore

because he did that,

why not welcome him back and root against

him?

Rooting against somebody sometimes has

more passion than rooting for somebody.

And if you have someone that you really

like and someone that you think is

awesome,

you can root for that person to beat

the person you dislike.

Instead of saying,

let's not welcome them back,

why not welcome them back and root for

them to lose if that's the opinion you

have?

That's not necessarily my opinion.

I think that Pat has done so much

for this sport over his tenure that if

he had one week that made him one

year that he decided to do one thing,

I'm not going to discredit all the good

he's done for the sport.

And it's funny because Kenneth actually

brought up my next point.

Just make him a heel,

even if it's only in your mind.

Yeah,

like if you grew up like me watching

wrestling all the time,

when your favorite wrestler turned heel,

it was shocking.

It was shocking when they went heel,

and you had to make the choice,

do I now root for the bad guy

that's the heel,

or do I root against my old favorite

who turned heel and hope that he loses?

Either way,

it's generally a passionate decision.

And I think it adds intrigue to the

drama and the storyline of the event.

Larry Young says WWF versus WCW.

I think it's even more than that.

Like when Hulk Hogan went heel,

that was a huge dramatic thing in the

world of wrestling and probably sports.

Hulk Hogan, the all-American hero,

saying his prayers and eating his vitamins

and doing all that kind of stuff.

And when he turned heel,

the wrestling world lost its damn mind.

And if you watch the Vince McMahon

documentary,

it was the pivot point that actually made

WCW a viable contender to the WWE.

And so when these things happen,

you can capitalize on them and make things

more popular.

So Larry responds, I like Pat.

He was one of my favorites,

but when they change leagues,

it's like baseball.

I pay attention to my league.

And I'm not, again, like Larry,

I get why you feel the way you

do and it's fine.

I just ask you,

why not want him back so you can

then root against him?

I think that brings more and more passion

to the table.

And you're going to have people like

Ortega who still love Pat.

And that's what makes it great, right?

Then you have these discussions and these

debates and things on shows like this or

live in an event when you love someone

and they hate somebody and you're rooting

for and against the same person.

Chelsea Miller.

Honestly,

how great is it when fee beats Danielle

Brandon in a workout?

It makes so much,

it makes it so much better.

See, I think that's a great point,

Chelsea.

And it's one that I forgot to bring

up.

So thank you so much for that.

The fee Danielle thing is real.

Like fee is in the comments,

making her points.

And Fee is not the person I would

have suspected to be the antagonist with

Danielle Brandon.

But it's cool because they are polar

opposites from one another.

Fee is one of the nicest people you

will ever meet.

And her public persona matches that.

Danielle Brandon's public persona is let's

burn the house down.

And it is a perfect yin and yang

thing.

What would make it epic is if he

got to a point where she was with

competitive with Danielle on the regular.

What,

See,

what makes the rivalry even better is when

both teams are on the same level.

For years,

the Packers whooped up on the Bears.

We were the nail to their hammer,

and it was not a good rivalry.

The Bears have turned things around.

In the last five games,

they are up three to two,

and all five games have come down to

the final two minutes.

That is a good rivalry.

That means something.

When you get someone,

and this is completely hypothetical,

I am not putting this out into the

universe, but just say,

Jason Hopper and Dallin Pepper have a

falling out.

And they're both on the same level,

and now they hate each other,

and it becomes this interesting,

dramatic moment

thing that happens in the sport.

What I loved about CrossFit when I first

came in is that it was a very

supportive community and very wholesome.

And fifteen years in, I'm like, man,

I just want a little bit of a

little bit of edge,

a little bit of an edge in the

sports side, not in the like,

I want to lose weight or I want

to get strong and I go to my

affiliate every single day.

In the sport,

I just want a little bit more of

that fee Danielle thing that happens.

So.

Joseph Ramirez,

I wanted Pat to win the games at

one point.

Now I hope he doesn't make it to

the games.

See, I want him back,

and I want him to make the games,

and I want him to be a disruptor.

Mark Phillips is still on the Uncle Pat

train.

See, we have all these differing opinions.

That's what makes this beautiful.

You guys are making my point so eloquently

in these comments.

I think it is awesome.

Larry says, but if Pat comes back,

I won't hope he does bad.

But yes,

I cheer for someone to beat Laura.

Chelsea brings up,

I think Laura and Gabby are the closest

we have to that.

That one I actually had in my mind

as a potential great rivalry.

But Laura has to compete in the game

season.

She has to to make it mean something.

Vicky, a little drama is good for sports.

I totally, totally agree.

Totally agree.

Corey says,

I still stand on Jeff Adler saying,

I don't give a shit who wins the

next event so long as it isn't him.

About and to Matt Frazier in the twenty

twenty CrossFit Games.

That's the kind of energy we need.

And I don't want it to be that

that's all the energy.

We just need some.

We just need some good energy.

That's when Jeff was cool.

Larry says you open.

Now I could get way fitter and it's

not to show if more people sign up

with it just being all light cardio.

Okay.

Um, so yeah.

Um,

That was like the main thing I wanted

to talk about.

The last thing on my bears,

the one thing that's blowing my mind is

I actually have a team with a quarterback

who has an it factor.

That has never been the case in my

lifetime.

Jim McMahon for a year or two,

but then he got broken down too much.

But other than that,

the Bears have never had a quarterback

with a nit factor.

And to watch Caleb Williams every week do

the stuff that he does is off the

chain amazing.

Um, and I just, I love it.

I love the, the bullish attitude,

you know, in his press conference,

speaking about what we did, you know,

he said the Packers wanted us.

They wanted us.

They kept saying they wanted us.

Well,

they got us and we're here to stay.

That's the quarterback I want.

Um,

Vicky,

every great movie needs a protagonist and

an antagonist.

Sometimes it's a full-on villain.

Sometimes it's not quite as in your face.

But both are needed for a great story.

Couldn't have said that better myself.

Corey,

just need someone with that kind of energy

to shake things up.

Someone to say, you know what?

F that guy.

Larry said,

Jeff was cool when talking shit in

Russian.

Here's what I think about Jeff.

We didn't get the real Jeff last year.

Jeff was hurt.

Jeff was working through some things,

and because of that,

he wasn't able to give everything he had

at last year's games.

I hope we get the Jeff from Rogue.

The Jeff from Rogue was talking smack.

He was getting some confidence back.

I hope that he gets whatever injuries he's

been working through healed in time for

the

Um,

because I think him added to the mix

right now, we have this group of guys,

uh,

the boys interrupted group that all hang

out together, that all support each other,

that all do all of that stuff, right?

Jeff doesn't hang out with them.

It's not that they hate each other.

It's not that they dislike each other.

He's just not part of that clique, right?

And at least it gives us that.

This guy that can disrupt what they have

going on over here, this group of four.

Because a group of four could dominate for

a while as a group unless somebody like

Jeff Adler or Colton Mertens or...

Ricky Garrard or Jay Crouch jump into that

mix and mess that up.

So maybe it's more of a disruptor to

the click than an individual versus

individual thing.

Yeah.

Chelsea said Jeff was fully checked out at

the games.

I think once the,

whatever he was going through went,

he just knew he didn't have it to

compete.

And he lost a lot of motivation that

weekend.

And it was sad to see, you know,

the one down thing of having the,

the full access in the warmup area.

I got to see him back there and

his demeanor changed dramatically from day

one to day two.

And.

That's why I was really hopeful at Rogue

when he won.

And in the process,

you could tell there was more confidence

in whatever body part was hurt,

that he was able to get through that

pain-free at the time.

Chelsea also says, personally,

I think the boys interrupted group may

save Justin's career.

I do not disagree with that statement

whatsoever.

But I do think that all the amazing

things they are doing for the sport,

and it's a lot.

It is a lot.

They are really going OG.

James and Dallin and Jason doing all these

videos and going with Dave to different

events and all of that stuff.

And Justin doing the tour of the

affiliates on the way to Waterpalooza

SoCal.

And I think they're doing so much for

the sport.

But anytime you get that much attention,

there's going to be content fatigue.

So then there's going to be a group

that want someone like a Jeff Adler or

a Colton Mertens or a Jay Crouch to

interrupt what's going on there.

I don't know if it's going to happen

this year.

I don't know if it's going to happen

next year.

But at some point,

people are going to start rooting for

someone to kind of take that away from

them.

It's just the way sports are.

When the Patriots won their first Super

Bowl, I wanted them to win so bad.

They had been bad for so long.

And then they won their second.

And then they won their third.

And then I just wanted anybody to beat

the Patriots.

Um, and so that happens all the time.

Same thing happened with the chiefs.

The chiefs had been so bad for so

long.

I wanted them to win a super bowl

and then they start winning a lot.

And you're like, okay,

now it's been enough.

Now I need someone to come in and

stop you from doing this.

And I think because the boys interrupted

all hang out together,

we'd lump them together.

So they have won four of the last

five CrossFit games.

Is there going to be a point where

now we look at them as a group

and say,

I want somebody to disrupt this group of

four from continuing to win?

I think it's all how we look at

it from certain perspectives.

I'm a huge Dallin Pepper fan.

I've picked him to win the games this

year.

I think that's my pick,

and that's who I'm rooting for for this

season.

I hope that happens.

But at some point,

I just wonder if the fatigue of that

group hits people and they start rooting

against them instead of for them.

And maybe that won't happen.

You have people like Rich Froning who

people never got tired of.

Never got tired of.

You have people like Matt Fraser who

people got tired of.

People loved his brashness at the

beginning.

And then they just wanted somebody to

compete with him.

Ortega says,

I've never thought of them as a group.

I just see them as dudes with a

podcast like cars and comedians.

I disagree with you because I think they

train together when they can.

They go hang out together when they can.

And I think they truly are friends outside

of the podcast.

if you watch behind the scenes there in

the warmup areas together, they're doing,

I mean,

and then three of them are brute athletes.

They all are coached by the same people.

Justin is different.

He's coached by somebody else.

So I, I do,

I do think there will be a large

section of the CrossFit community that

look at them as,

as a group of four.

Mike DeVito,

they're the three amigos of CrossFit.

I would say the quattro amigos of

CrossFit.

But the plus side of this is,

and if you're a fan of them,

I think their friendship,

partnership has made them all better.

I think all four of them are better

athletes because of that friendship

relationship.

So I am sure it's doing them way

more good than bad.

I'm just saying there is a natural desire

for drama in sports.

And I think that any reason to dislike

somebody, to root against them,

you will find.

Wayne says,

I was surprised that the other three

didn't show up to support James's event

this weekend.

If you've watched any of their stuff

lately, they are so freaking busy.

I want to say one of them said

they're not even going to be home for

like three or four weeks.

Like the insanity of their schedules right

now with sponsors and stuff they're doing

for CrossFit and things like that is pure

insanity.

Chris Love,

the boys interrupted could be like the

four horsemen from WCW.

Very good analogy.

Very good analogy.

Mark Phillips,

we kind of had this with Olsen Smith

Mayer.

That would have been a good podcast team,

perhaps.

Possibly.

I don't know if they would be as

forthcoming as what these four have been.

These four have truly given us a peek

into what it's like to be an athlete

and what is required of athletes.

Way more than I think those three would

have led us into.

The Ortega,

Dallin and Jason were in Austin.

Justin is in California,

then doing stuff with CrossFit.

Yeah,

their schedules are like super crazy.

I mean,

James didn't even go watch his dad at

the Masters CrossFit Games because he had

a commitment to a friend's wedding.

Their schedules are so tight that they

have to make difficult decisions

sometimes.

I'm happy that CrossFit is actually

utilizing them.

That brings up a great point, Vicky.

I am so glad that CrossFit is utilizing

them.

I just wish CrossFit would do more

utilization of things that are going on.

You know,

we talked about it last night that this

week the U.S.

government flipped the food pyramid and is

waging war on added sugars and processed

carbohydrates.

There's been nothing posted by CrossFit

about that.

How can you not take advantage of the

media that is out about that right now?

The thing you've been fighting for since

the inception of this methodology is you

got a government agency to admit that it's

been right all along and nothing, nothing,

nothing on the CrossFit site

that I do think that the efforts with

the CrossFit media department have been

moving in the right direction,

but that's a big miss.

There it is right there.

Okay.

So Chattanooga,

he said they did post something today,

but when was that announced?

That was what Tuesday or Wednesday of last

week.

Tuesday or Wednesday of last week,

and it's taken you a week to get

something up?

It's just awful.

Ken Walters,

a private equity group before sale doesn't

want something possibly political

connected to it.

politically or there's,

there's so much political around the

CrossFit and what it is and who,

what it stands for.

You can't avoid it.

So why play dumb?

Playing dumb just is,

is not the way to, I don't know.

I'm,

Personally,

I just wanted to see a big I

told you so banner on their website.

Chattanooga agreed.

They're not a nimble team on socials and

it's unfortunate.

And I am sure that what Ken is

saying is partly correct,

that they are a private equity firm and

the levels of approval to get something

posted are probably something we cannot

understand.

I work for government.

I work for state government.

For me to post something publicly,

I have to get eighteen signatures on it

before I can do it.

It's so stupid.

And I'm sure that the private equity firm

is doing the same thing to them,

handcuffing them in what they can post.

But this has been like the North Star

of this company forever.

to then not even acknowledge that you got

one of the biggest wins you could ever

get should have been exempted in all of

that sign-off shit.

All of it.

I'm Mike DeVito.

This is the HQ staff that did literally

nothing with the decision in the courts

proving NSCA lied.

They collected the settlement money.

They did that part.

Mike.

Vicki agreed.

They need to embrace it.

Yeah.

Everyone went gaga over the new marketing

lady at HQ,

but she's been AWOL on everything.

I wouldn't say AWOL on everything, Jody.

They are posting stuff.

And this has been kind of my thing

for the last couple weeks on the shows

is that I do think it's heading in

a direction that is positive.

Do I think it's fast enough?

No.

Do I think it is accurate enough?

No.

Do I think it's getting the job done

fully?

No.

I do think it's missing parts.

I do think it can be tweaked in

a better way.

But they're like in the last week after

I bitched about no marketing for the open

in the last week,

they've been blowing up socials with the

open stuff.

Um,

so they are doing stuff and they are

creating stuff.

It's just taking more time than I would

like.

And it's not necessarily exactly what I

would want it to be.

Vicky sums it up better than I did

a better than it was not as good

as it could be.

Yeah.

Just another example,

the buyer's having no clue what CrossFit

is.

Chattanoofy,

there's also a post on Instagram about a

newborn only being comforted by being held

while doing air squats because the mom did

CrossFit through her pregnancy.

I'm okay with that stuff being out there,

but there's also important stuff that's

being missed.

I am sure that is not the case,

Ken Walters.

I am sure.

I'm sure it was just timing.

This isn't the CrossFit of old where it

was owned by one person.

I know.

And that's why I'm saying, Ortega,

that like I work for government,

which is a big entity and everything is

political that we talk about.

Everything takes eighteen levels of

approval.

And I'm sure the board of directors at

CrossFit want the same thing that I deal

with every day.

Chattanooga Wasted is a big pop culture

page.

I'm saying CrossFit HQ should have

reshared it.

That's the stuff that really kind of gets

me.

And I think Hiller's brought it up in

the past.

They want to recreate,

like the Tyson Bajent thing when he went

to his press conference talking about

CrossFit.

About when he retires from the NFL,

he wants to be a CrossFit coach and

become jacked.

They went and they scheduled a meeting

with them.

They scheduled a shoot.

They did all this stuff.

It took like three months to get it

out.

They could have just reshared that video.

And they never did.

They never did.

Could have just reshared this.

Tagged it with a little phrase,

reshared it.

And they don't.

They don't.

They waste their time trying to polish

everything up.

And when it could just be a simple

reshare.

When that came out,

they should have just shared the clip of

saying,

we are waging war on processed sugar and

on new added sugar and processed

carbohydrates.

Just that clip.

Post it.

Don't need to add anything to it.

Don't need to polish it.

Just post that clip of those eight words

or whatever it is.

We are waging war against added sugar and

processed carbohydrates.

That's it.

Eight seconds.

That's it.

uh vicky asks is it me or does

it feel does it sometimes feel like there

are two different trains riding on the

same track when it comes to crossfit

socials uh i chattanooga agrees with you

um uh vicky says social media sometimes

feels bipolar it doesn't feel like things

are being stated from one entity

Well,

I do think that there's a sports side.

There is a training and methodology side

that don't always go hand in hand,

but they should be at least like on

parallel tracks.

I think that I hear what you're saying

about the political thing.

But the nutrition aspect of this,

you have been fighting as an entity for

twenty five years.

And you won.

You got a win that nobody ever thought

would happen.

Just share it.

It's not political.

It's just something that happened that

agrees with what you have posted your

theory of nutrition to be.

You know what?

It doesn't matter what you post, Andrew.

You're going to piss somebody off

regardless.

You can put out the most benign post

ever and it is going to piss somebody

off.

So fear of pissing people off is a

very bad way to go about things.

If you're worried about pissing people

off, you're going to speak to no one.

You say it was Greg fighting,

not the current owners,

but they are still posting.

They made shirts just at last year's games

about the meat and veggies,

and it's on a shirt saying,

eat meat and vegetables.

They still post the fitness in a hundred

words,

which starts with the nutrition piece.

So you can say it was Greg,

but they are standing by it in other

ways.

Why wouldn't you take this win?

That would be the biggest marketing ploy

ever.

We've had the answer for twenty five

years.

People are finally following suit.

Come check it out at our box.

I can rant all I want,

but that's the nature of business.

Well,

I rant because that's why I do a

podcast.

And yes,

there are a lot of companies that fail.

But there are also a lot of companies

that don't.

And we've talked about this in the past.

If you don't have a North Star or

you don't have that thing to fight for,

you're not going to matter.

You're not going to matter.

Nobody's going to give a shit what you

have to say if you stand for nothing.

If you want to stand by the affiliates

and you want to give them the marketing

they deserve being a part of your

affiliate system,

you need to stand for something.

And the thing you have stood for for

twenty five years was agreed to by a

government agency.

And if there was any time at all

where you were going to then stand for

something,

you could have shared that post.

You didn't make the post.

You just shared the post.

And if you piss off somebody,

so be it.

But there are a ton of people out

there looking for answers.

And those answers came in that statement.

And how to get those answers every day

is to go to an affiliate and learn

more.

And there it was.

It was all out there for you.

And you let it go by.

Or you waited a week for it to

go by.

I still haven't seen what they put out

today.

I'll have to go look for it.

But again, they just waited too damn long.

Vicky says exactly.

Scott PE is very scared of pissing people

off instead of just embracing the history

and methodology and letting that story

ring true.

And I'll just end it with,

if you don't stand for anything,

nobody's going to give a shit.

Larry says, Andrew,

after almost every podcast,

I think I just need to stop commenting,

but I'm like,

someone needs to say this after,

after I'm like, Larry, no one cares.

Just be quiet.

Listen, Larry.

You motivated this podcast today about

having rivalries and wanting to root

against people because of a comment you

made last night.

Don't think that it doesn't make an

impact.

It made an impact.

I literally was laying in bed last night

like,

that's what I need to do the show

on.

I need to do it on that.

Of course,

there was the handshake that kind of added

to that and the whole Pat Vellner

discussion.

But your comments, actually,

I listen to them all.

And I think about them in the evening.

And I think about them when I'm creating

these shows and coming up with topics for

us to talk about.

So never,

ever feel like nobody cares or nobody's

listening.

You inspired what we did today on this

show.

Just with your comments last night about

not liking the athletes that sat out last

year.

I appreciate all your comments.

But we're a hangout show.

We're going to have differing opinions.

And I love that we get to hang

out and discuss them right here on the

show each and every day.

Half of the stuff we talked about today

wasn't even in a note.

I've got notes that we never even touched.

But I love this because we talked about

the stuff you guys wanted to talk about.

So.

Thank you for participating.

Continue to participate.

And Andrew Sten knows that I just like

to talk about him.

I talk about stuff with him.

Uh, I've known Andrew for a long time.

We have the same debates and discussions

in person that we do in this chat.

I appreciate his opinion and he's probably

right in most cases with companies not

doing what they should do.

Um,

But anyway, it is what it is.

You guys are the best.

I love hanging out with you guys each

and every day.

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You knuckleheads get back to work too.

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