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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:01.55
dave_gerhardt
All right? It's a great hour. It is the long game. The long game is back case good to see you what's new over there. Ah yeah, I'm just I'm going I'm wearing the I'm wearing the Beanie today I'm trying to show people a different side of me I'm trying to show.
00:05.93
Casey
Good to see you Dave cold up there in Vermont. What's new up there with you. You get the beanie on.
00:19.49
dave_gerhardt
Um, shall show Vermont Dave I got pants that you I got pants that have a zipper on the side pocket on right now. Um, which by the way we're like losing guests left and right because of our slander on this podcast but you know what we will not.
00:25.40
Casey
Um, malbon.
00:35.46
dave_gerhardt
We're gonna give art. We're gonna give our golf takes dammit. This podcast is going to grow one way or another and I'm not here to yeah.
00:38.70
Casey
We don't like yeah if we don't like a pair of pants. We're not going to be afraid to say it even if that cannibalizes some guests.
00:44.53
dave_gerhardt
ah ah yeah yes like yeah, then then it's such its inestsual incesual world. Actually so we got this guy next week we got John Sherman coming on the pod and he's a great follow on golf I think I think his Twitter handle is John Sherman or is it practical. Golf let me just me double check before I he's a great fall. Yeah, have you been following. Did you start following because I told you about him or were you following him anyway.
01:06.43
Casey
But he is it. You're a easy great follow in ah in a different fall than most kind of golf statistician type people I say I think it was one of the guys that was following anyway, but kind of you know as you pointed him out to me I've been paying an attention a little more but. He's a great fall. We're also going to have a couple long drive guys come on but they got hit by the pgo but pga show or whatever that's called down there in Orlando the they got bit by some kind of virus down there so they're going to be on in a few weeks too but today's just you and me.
01:23.33
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, he's a great follow. Um, and I don't.
01:31.78
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, that.
01:38.65
dave_gerhardt
What a scene? What a scene at the Pga show I Guess one day case. Well maybe we can maybe this podcasts will blow up and we'll be live from the pga show to never's their only goal. That's a great goal I'm pretty sure we could go'm pretty sure we could go.
01:40.70
Casey
Just Dave and casey.
01:47.80
Casey
Um, I would let's make that our only goal to be there next year
01:56.74
Casey
yeah yeah I want to like I want to go as like a person though not like as a attendee I don't even know what that means? um, real quick before we before we get into golf stuff I've 1 quick thing I meant to do this last week but I want to give you the floor here for a minute to op offer ah a.
02:01.86
dave_gerhardt
That's talent. Yeah, we'll be there as talent next year. Yeah sure.
02:12.91
Casey
Really a proper apology and I was googling something a few weeks ago. Um, long game and I was trying to find something with us and I nothing was coming up so I put in Dave's name and up came a podcast dave was on about I don't know 2 3 four years ago like a marketing.
02:24.44
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
02:30.76
Casey
I'm not even sure you could probably tell us or maybe you could but Dave was on a podcast about three years ago called the long game. So this never came up when we were brainstorming names for weeks and weeks. So do you want to issue an apology I think we can both exist in this space I don't think there's much crossover. But.
02:34.99
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
02:43.85
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, all right? So a couple years ago I was on this marketing podcast and I had this idea of oh man this is a great name for a podcast if one day I start a podcast with my friend Casey I haven't talked to in years I'm going to call it the long game. No that is not what happened.
02:48.27
Casey
I'm gonna give you the floor here.
03:00.26
Casey
You played the long game on the name.
03:03.46
dave_gerhardt
I played the long game I I had no I had no recollection like I I do a bunch of those type of things I go on a bunch of different like marketing podcasts and I couldn't tell you the name of the one that I went on two weeks ago so Casey sends me this. He's he says like wait a second did you know this podcast there. There is a marketing. I believe it's ah a b two b marketing agency. They have a podcast that's called the long game not affiliated with this long game podcast. But yes, thank you Thank you for ah for calling that out for for the people case in case when they go to type when they go into Spotify and they type it.
03:32.17
Casey
Just don't yeah so if you type in long game Dave Gearhart you might find that before you find us. But one day our goal is to also flip that that's our second goal we're gonna this is a goals podcast today.
03:46.26
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, that's our second goal. This is the goal. This is a goals pod. Um I had it I had yeah.
03:50.42
Casey
1 more wing real quick real quick. We have to give a shout out I don't know if you have this on your list but to our first guest ever your coach Jane go first I think first ever hole in one this past week down at cap citrus farms which just opened outside of the nepa.
03:55.84
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah.
04:04.57
dave_gerhardt
Oh man cjaco shout out to you man. He's gonna be He's gonna be listening to this shout out to you we. We got you on the pod. Ah, that's awesome. You know what's crazy I think about we talk about. We've talked about holding ones often right. Cenko was on our show a month ago and and as good of a player as he is this guy can go deep. He's got a 62 to his name. You know he's probably like a plus a plus four if he's if he's really getting after it um never had a hole in one so congrats to you? How fun is that by the way when we talk about places to do it like you go to a sick course.
04:30.49
Casey
Um, crazy. Um.
04:38.63
dave_gerhardt
With um, you know with a good group I know a couple of guys he was with and you get a hole in one on that you know it's not. It's not you playing with some random you know matchup on a Tuesday you go for ah a good round and you get it what a feeling.
04:48.35
Casey
And I think he said I messaged him a little bit be I think you send this to it was that that course is brand new. It was the first told him on on that on that hole maybe or the their signature.
04:59.34
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, that's what that's what it's what he said on the graham he said on Instagram he said it was the first one. So um I guess so yeah I'm not I'm not deep in the golf ah architecture and and industry world as we've talked about but this is a course you've.
05:03.70
Casey
Um, you get a plaque for that or something that's a big deal.
05:14.34
dave_gerhardt
What what's the history. They have a amazing place up in Nova Scotia okay
05:17.92
Casey
Yeah cabot cliffs I think is it's number 1 in my bucket list. It's ah it's funny. My wife and I were looking once before we had kids she was like well if you really want to go to this place I can go look for like spas in the area. There's not a spa within like I don't know four hundred miles of that place. Um.
05:23.70
dave_gerhardt
Let me look this up.
05:30.13
dave_gerhardt
Oh really, it's like that is that is that like is that what Bandon is like like there's nothing around or is it even more dramatic. Holy shit this place looks unbelievable.
05:32.76
Casey
That that's number 1 my bucket list. Yeah, it's if you're going there I don't know I've never been out there but I assume there's a little bit more civilization out there but some people have told me especially from yeah, especially from the northeast like it's like a 3 hour flight from like. Boston and then it's a 3 hour drive it's like you've got to be dedicated to get to this place? Um, but cabinet. That's the one in Nova Scotia up in Canada but this is their first Us property I think it's outside the Tampa area just it's like ah I guess they call it like a soft opening. It's not even really. Open to the public yet. It's kind of a preview. Um, kind of but I got an email recently because I'm on their on their marketing list or whatever saying that I could requested tea time but there's no chance I'd ever get it. They let me know a few days before so somehow cko got down there home one shot it to him I think I think we asked him. In inner a b if like hole in ones on par three courses counted and he is like yes until I get a real one or something like that. so so funny only I took a took a month for him to change his stance on that but shout it to him. Yeah.
06:28.28
dave_gerhardt
Um, he said absolutely. Ah, yeah, that's how real he was absolutely they count what a feeling what a feeling I wonder what he shot cenko will have to we have to figure it out I always think about what you know. I want I also want to hold 1 I want to hold one on day that I shoot like a good a good, a good low 70 s round I can't go have a eighty eighty you know eighty two eighty one make a hole in one day I need it for real. Ah because I don't have one case I'm not like you but sorry.
06:55.40
Casey
Right? I'm with you? Well, you're probably 1 of the more standup people have ever met because you always leave with I don't have 1 but you do have one but it was on a part. 3 course you say but yeah, but but an 8
07:10.44
dave_gerhardt
Um, and I was eight I had I had driver I know but.
07:14.12
Casey
But an 8 year old on a par 3 course the the equivalent equivalent is got to be just as difficult.
07:17.98
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, it was amazing. It was in the paper it was in the paper. But I I want one now like you know when you go play in I want to see it and you anyway, all right? Um, we had a weird golf tournament this week while weird in the sense of you and I both realize you texted me.
07:23.26
Casey
Um, yeah I'm with you.
07:34.41
dave_gerhardt
On Wednesday and you're like there's colf on right now. The farmers was was moved up out of the week to rightfully so get out of the way of ah of Lamar Jackson and Taylor Swift so there you go.
07:44.40
Casey
That's right then here's a hot take I didn't see coming I didn't like it I didn't like well not the turnment time but I didn't like the Saturday finish I know they've done this 2 years in a row I think for like a dad a Saturday night finishes even harder than a Sunday night finish. But.
07:51.26
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
07:59.27
Casey
I was watching the football yesterday and I kept I mean football play a football, especially these conference championship games. They're so brutal with the commercials and stuff I kept having this instinct to go flip over to golf and there was nothing there and it just felt unnatural, not finishing on a Sunday I I thought the tournament was cool but I I was missing and i.
08:03.14
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
08:08.80
dave_gerhardt
Is.
08:18.65
Casey
Just something in my body. It's like a it's like a natural alarm clock. It's Sunday afternoon Sunday early evening golf should be on finishing it just felt like I was missing something.
08:28.70
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I agree with you I I feel the opposite though I made me on Saturday when it was Saturday night and I was watching I was like is it Sunday like what the it was tripping me out all day I'm like wait this is there's golf right now. Um, what do you think about that.
08:38.66
Casey
Um, yeah.
08:44.91
dave_gerhardt
That move as somebody who's interested in business and and media. Yeah.
08:47.13
Casey
Just getting away from the Nfl. Yeah I mean I don't even have the numbers in front of you but in front of me. But anytime you hear this. It's like the highest rated golf tournament of all time is like gets beaten by a week three Nfl Thursday night football game. It's Nfl King it makes
09:03.29
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah I heard I yeah.
09:07.13
Casey
So much sense. It's but still I would have liked to have it on yesterday during the day but it it makes sense that I saw the lpga tour didn't move their their tournament. Um, so I'm sure they got crushed too but people like people want to watch golf. It's a good alternative if you're not into football.
09:17.39
dave_gerhardt
Then then.
09:23.99
dave_gerhardt
And it it didn't help though that I didn't really pay much attention to it and then maybe Friday afternoon I looked into leader leaderboard and like this doesn't happen often. This is a Pga tour event I didn't know outside of hoy guard I couldn't tell you any of the names on the.
09:25.82
Casey
Who knows.
09:43.47
dave_gerhardt
On the first page of the leaderboard and then this guy that won paval he could have been I thought he was like a journeyman like he just I'm like oh this this is just some randomass guy has been on tour forever and then I happen to catch like the last couple holes.
09:43.68
Casey
Um, yeah.
09:51.91
Casey
Will be.
09:59.62
dave_gerhardt
And they say he's a Pga tour rookie like wait. What.
10:00.64
Casey
Yeah, but I think he is kind of a journeyman or I don't think he's that old but he's he's had a ton of starts on the dp world tour. So I think he had a good year last year that got him into the tour this year. So it's funny. There's so there's like these q school guys that are grinding that are you know in college or just out of college young guys.
10:06.82
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
10:18.52
Casey
But then you can also get these guys that come over from from the european tour. So I think he's I think they said he won I don't have it in front of me but he won his like fiftieth start on the dp tour dp world tour which got him or helped him get here. So he's got a lot of experience. Um, one of the more bizarre tattoos.
10:22.18
dave_gerhardt
A.
10:28.82
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah.
10:37.82
Casey
Of all time which has been covered at Nauseum online got to be a bad translation.
10:38.73
dave_gerhardt
Oh yeah yeah, I was good I just pulled this up Casey sent me this his the top of his the top of his right hand he has a tattoo that is ah he's french that he's he's been in America for what for a couple years I guess who knows um and on his right hand he has the saliva. That flows the saliva that flows now will become the tears of joy tomorrow printed in english on the top of his right hand in all caps case you will make a clip with this and man what does that mean? um.
11:04.85
Casey
Yeah I don't know it has to be a bad translation. It doesn't make sense. Never get the word Saliva tattooed on you. That's a hot take for me.
11:12.25
dave_gerhardt
The Saliva that flows now ah look I gotta tell you something I I like Sports I Love playing them. But I think I've just descended into a different being where like it is just. Feels when you zoom out and you think about life we take sports so seriously is just this like this mind fuck that I I can't I can't unsee and then a guy who plays golf for a living has a tattoo on his hand that says the Saliva that flows now will become the tears of joy look I believe in hard work. I Believe in you know, capitalism and all and go go make something awesome, but it's just fucking weird to me.
11:50.65
Casey
It's it's very weird but it worked hard to argue with results here but to your point about the leaderboard being kind of underwhelming. It's hard for me to tell if this is like a product of the lived defections and we're just getting thin or just the guys aren't playing. Well obviously we didn't have Rory in the field.
12:01.21
dave_gerhardt
Um, but are.
12:07.71
Casey
Next week are coming up this week sorry at the ah public beach program is going to be probably the best field they've ever had and all the best players because it's one of those signature events but I don't know um, not a hot start to the season so far as far as brand names go but and.
12:11.45
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
12:23.61
Casey
Maybe making some new notable names on tor to replace those guys that left.
12:24.81
dave_gerhardt
Um, but check this out this was this was um, actually finally like a ah normal number right? They fit the the winner was 13 under if you go back? the American Express the winner Nick Dunlap 29 under Sony open was 17
12:38.73
Casey
Yeah, if you if you went back to last week I we went through this and I said well next week you're going to see something in the and the 12 to 14 range there you go 13 I made no money off that. But.
12:40.75
dave_gerhardt
Ah, Century Chris Kirk Minus Twenty Nine I mean
12:50.11
dave_gerhardt
Um, cut it there go This is the you threw in a little pavat. Ah you threw a little pavan action though.
12:57.33
Casey
I didn't know I want a little bit on him but not enough to to take away the sting of what I lost on Sam Burns the week before but that's on me for betting on Sam Burns
13:06.49
dave_gerhardt
Um, all right and we're out to they're they're out to pebble this this week have you played either Tory or pebble is that is that something that's interesting to you like does pebble beach where do those I guess Tory and pebble pebble are different but do either of those have any like.
13:14.83
Casey
I've never no, never been really out in that part I've spent a lot of time in the.
13:26.10
dave_gerhardt
Lust if you could just if you could just go tomorrow would is that something you're interested in.
13:29.80
Casey
I wouldn't I I I think pebble would be on my list before Tory Ah but I did see this this week. Do you know? do you know what? a cost to play pebble If you're just obviously most of the time you get a stay there but we're just talking about if you can get a tea time not staying there. What is it green free.
13:42.91
dave_gerhardt
Look I'm I'm ready to learn from you I'm letter it ready to learn from you for real today isn't isn't this like just this prototypical like you're had a kid's gathering. You're with a bunch of other dads they talk about golf you get going. You know what it costs.
13:46.93
Casey
Green v.
14:00.97
dave_gerhardt
To play. You know what it cost to play a pebble. So what is the answer. Um, well, there's something I do know that everybody says you have but you have to stay on site and you can't mention the word pebble among all what's the deal with that.
14:03.51
Casey
But take a guess take a guess.
14:13.42
Casey
But there there is I did find a fee outside of staying there. So just give me like a green green v yep six Twenty five plus a fifty five dollar for cart. But I saw something going around social media this week that there's room I don't know how rumors get out about this stuff. But.
14:18.23
dave_gerhardt
Okay, so greens fee I would say it's five hundred bucks six twenty five
14:32.34
dave_gerhardt
Um, inflation.
14:32.55
Casey
Rumors that it's going up to a thousand bucks next year twenty twenty five would you would you spend a grand at play anywhere outside of augusta maybe where where would you pay a thousand bucks to play.
14:40.38
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yes, probably look I'm so I'm so addicted to golf right now and everything in golf is expensive and.
14:54.34
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
14:58.10
dave_gerhardt
You could tell me it's $500 you could tell me it's $900 like I don't I don't know. Um so I would I would pay I would pay $1000 for me though a thousand dollars round of golf has to be like a pebble level experience like it needs to be a day like pebble to me would be about. The the memory like your whole life. You see this course playing on Tv you played on tryger woods now I played on track like track man. It's on it just it just is such a my myth mythical thing I would have a harder time like I'd have to have that kind of story. It'd be harder for me to be like I'm playing some. Course in Wisconsin you know it's amazing. But it's it's but but it's got to be some like I see it in my head. It's it's mythical right.
15:38.48
Casey
This thing about pebble beach that I know like I'd pay the thousand dollars I'd go I'd do this whole trip playing around it and I get to that. What's the whole the of the par 3 and I just shank 3 of them like I I wouldn't be able to hit enough balls there that the cas back we got to get going like I blew this whole.
15:48.66
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
15:55.96
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, right? because of course like look it looks amazing. The course looks amazing, but like that also just seems to be the type of course that like if you it could probably be a little bit rainy rainy with thirty mile an hour gusts the day you're playing and like it is no fun to go play golf in the wind.
15:56.84
Casey
Thousand dollars on these shots that were terrible dangerous too right? that's.
16:15.29
dave_gerhardt
And then to be at a place like pebble in the wind like hey guys they were. We're having a real fucking good time.
16:17.82
Casey
And I've never done the Scotland Ireland trip but if you're you're going to spend a lot of money to do that. You're going to assume it's going to be bad weather. It's part of the experience right? If you're if you get hit or miss out there. That's tough.
16:23.49
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I I know like I know maybe 2 people I don't know I'm not like that I don't have that many friends that are in the golf in this way I know maybe 2 people who have done one of those like hardcore ireland Scotland Trips every one of them was like dude by the by the fourth day like the third day you're just so ready to go home like like yeah, you're you're soaked. You're freezing. You're not hitting it good like it seems awesome. But.
16:44.37
Casey
Yeah, you've had enough mutton for the week yeah Yeah
16:55.24
Casey
You've been taking it from passive Aggressive Asshole Caddies which is like everyone says is the best thing over there like sarcastic Irish caddies. But yeah, you're.
16:59.48
dave_gerhardt
Right? right? hey but let let me answer a different question would I would I put up the money to go to pebble beach and play 18 holes and film it for the future long game pod Youtube channel with you of course. So.
17:16.10
Casey
Yeah, and we'll clip this part of saying I'll shake 3 of them in a row and it will I'll I'll fulfill that destiny I can guarantee it so big changes. Ah, and this is event for years like people you always hear pebble beach is one of the iconic.
17:20.50
dave_gerhardt
When we get there when we get there. So anyway, how what? what do we know about the event this week good field field is good or no.
17:33.79
Casey
Tour stops. But I think the last ten fifteen years it's kind of gotten. Um as far as prestige kind of dragged down a little bit because the best players in the world weren't playing there and it and because they had this big program as part of it so this is where you see Bill Murray and the celebrities and. And it's funny I saw an article last week about this because this is now. Um, it's going to be a signature one of the signature events. It's the second of 8 so you get the best top whatever players in the in the world 70 or so um and they're actually. To make it more appealing for the pros to play I think they cut it from 170 guys to down to seventy this year one eighty to eighty but they've really set the bar higher for the the amateurs that are playing or the celebrities. It's just athletes now there's no no more bill. Murray's no more. Um.
18:22.68
dave_gerhardt
Um, wow.
18:25.51
Casey
Yeah, they the title I saw was like bye bye bill Murray Ray Romano and Steve Young like it's just going to be Shefler Rory it's Tom Brady it's it's it's right
18:32.50
dave_gerhardt
Great idea. That's a great idea. Don't you think it's a great marketing.. That's a great marketing move for for them and kind of like it up it ups This I was just going to say like in my head when we start talking about pebble you see bill Murray they talk about bing Crosby History. Move on from that this is hot.
18:52.20
Casey
So an end. It's a they've changed the am part of this to two days just Thursday friday so no am's on the weekend. Um, there's the balloons again. 1 of my favorite favorite parts of recording.
19:01.45
dave_gerhardt
Um, the fucking balloons why zen cat we use Zencastr if you if you're listening and you want to sponsor this pod and give us his account for free. Let me know, but but don't don't you think this is this is a.
19:10.39
Casey
Then you can check it on Youtube every time we raise our hands this balloons go nuts it. It is and I think it made me think like this was so strategic. So when the tour came to them and said we want to make ah this tournament.
19:15.40
dave_gerhardt
This is a cool move is this a good move. It feels like a good move.
19:25.00
Casey
A signature event which means you're going to get way better at fields than you've been getting recently and that means cutting the field from one eighty to eighty you're going to lose a lot of players but you're going to lose a lot of the Ams too. But it made me think because because they're doing this and it's in ah in a move to attract better players. How. How miserable. Do you think it is for them to play with amateurs and these things like the Amx two last week with um with Nick Dunlap winning he was playing probably with some I don't know some credit card executive. He's trying to change his life and this guy's probably ratting it around the course. So I always wonder like how much of a pain. The asset are those.
19:52.96
dave_gerhardt
Um.
19:55.80
dave_gerhardt
Since that.
20:02.86
Casey
There's always a practice round proam things for these tournaments like on Tuesday or Wednesday but the ones that are actually in play interesting and then cutting it up for the weekend here means that the best players can focus on you know watching are are trying to win the tournament versus watching but.
20:05.80
dave_gerhardt
Yeah. The.
20:16.10
dave_gerhardt
You know you know what I'm thinking about right now there would be nobody funnier than to have you. You would be so nervous. You wouldn't even play a hole I feel like if you're with Nick that like just because you're like you're like the kindest like most courteous like socially aware like.
20:32.74
Casey
Um, yeah.
20:34.50
dave_gerhardt
You don't ever like I do picture. There's gotta to be guys out there who are just literally just banging it around and they have no come on pick pick it up. Jim let's go you don't think Nick Dunlep trying to win a tournament here.
20:41.99
Casey
Well, there'd be that first that first tsh shot I had with like people lining the the t box I be I'm just going to drop one like you're out of the term it then I'm like I'm that's fine I'm I'm not here to kill anyone? yeah.
20:51.42
dave_gerhardt
Ah I'll just take a job that's fine. Yeah, that is that is so true. That's that is a lot of pressure. Um, it got no cuts. Um, so it's straight.
21:00.19
Casey
Yeah I don't think there cuts this week either bigger purse and you know I ah, that's that's what I I read and I I haven't been able to find we're recording this a Monday morning I haven't been able to find.
21:06.29
dave_gerhardt
Straight it has to be athletes. So there's no actors, no celebrities. No mclemore isn it Matt Mclemore is usually Mclemore is here a school boy q right? wow.
21:19.13
Casey
No I don't think so I don't think there's any of those this week no um even blocky's probably sitting out this week. Ah I was ah I haven't able to find the list yet I don't think they I don't think they've released it probably again, we're recording Monday morning. They're probably waiting. We're waiting to see how last night's ah, football games go to see who they could cherry pick off these teams like a kelsey or mahomes if they had lost. Um, but I don't think Jared Goff is a golfer so we'll see ah but a good no no good yeah
21:39.17
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh interesting.
21:44.10
dave_gerhardt
Now hey real quick Phil oh go ahead, go ahead now. I'm gonna take us somewhere different I was gonna say Phil about proams funny that you mentioned how much they hate that in that shipnuck book that I read about Phil apparently there was something years ago where. He won a big tournament like in the in the leg of the Fedex cup and he didn't want to fly he wanted to he he wanted to play in the tournament the next week in the fedex cup or whatever but he didn't want to do the practice round. He just want to skip over all the bullshit and just go play.
22:16.39
Casey
Are.
22:19.77
dave_gerhardt
And he had just won and he withdrew from the from a Fedex cup event legitimately because he didn't want to go muck it up in in a program and a big part of the changes that he wanted to make on the tour was like to cut out all that bullshit and I do think that.
22:31.48
Casey
Um, yeah.
22:34.90
dave_gerhardt
Would be exhausting. Obviously it's part of the job but like every week you got to do these practice around programs and all this nonsense with the sponsors man.
22:41.48
Casey
Well, that's where a lot of the the money's coming from right? but you know what a good solution in Phil's eye to that was get in bed with some scary motherfuckers as he would say right now your pro m partner is a guy with a with a hacksaw in his office.
22:51.61
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, okay, you got it, you need okay fine look. Don't read the fill book. You need to read the live the shipnucks live book. So I've been reading that it's amazing because it's not just a golf book. He it's basically a history lesson. He unpacks like.
23:00.75
Casey
Yeah, so.
23:10.37
dave_gerhardt
Explains the US and Saudi Arabia Arabia relationship Nine Eleven the Bush administration in the 80 s feeding weapons to the saudis he goes deep and I'm like seeing all this through a different lens now it's it's pretty fucking wild.
23:15.52
Casey
Um, yep.
23:24.79
Casey
All right I can I'm going to take us from ah US saudi relations to Tom Brady real quick. So just because I he's on this list of one of the confirmed people. It made me think of our ah, very brief. But um, our Tom Brady story do you remember this from back in the day.
23:37.78
dave_gerhardt
Oh wow case I was wondering if we'd ever get to tell this on the pod. Yes, want me to ah I mean you won't you set it up for us.
23:42.59
Casey
So sure. So Dave and I were playing at at my golf course in the Greater Boston area AhTb twelves dad yeah sagramore springs. Um, so ah.
23:51.80
dave_gerhardt
Um, it's called ah, it's called new it's called Newton Com if you've ever been there Newton Commonwealth
23:58.43
Casey
Tom Brady's father was a member for a bit at this club. Ah but Dave and I played we finished. We're having lunch and the club pro. Great guy comes over and he was just sitting kind of bullshing with us and he says can you believe all these these grown men acting like little kids over there just because Tom Brady's on the pudding green. And Dave and I just look at each other and we're like plain enough cool like yeah, that's ridiculous. He's a normal guy like you got to give him some space. So the pro gets up and walks away and Dave and I just kind of look at each other and like all right, you go to the bathroom you pretend to go to the bathroom goes take a picture of them and then come back like we exactly we acted the exact same way as we were just criticizing everyone else, but.
24:32.79
dave_gerhardt
What? Okay but what was amazing about seeing him up. There was like that was like late July the place was absolutely dead we we we could have been the only people up there that was insane.
24:43.95
Casey
Do you remember that? the best part of it and you could probably fact check this it was gill's birthday. We looked it up and he was he was golfing early.
24:53.27
dave_gerhardt
I Feel like I remember you looked that up. Wow So did we have a scoop. We had a scoop before we had a scoop look Ah, for case, we reacted.
25:01.27
Casey
Early signs of a stress test there. Yeah, there were some issues that was probably 7 or eight years before they got divorced but still.
25:09.69
dave_gerhardt
We were the only people up there. We see we go and we see Tom Brady's dad on the punting green. There was nobody around sure we scrambled into the bathroom to take a photo. Do you know how many uncomfortable what? what? let's edit.
25:18.40
Casey
Hold on hold on on. We didn't scramble into the bathroom to take a photo of Tom Brady in the bathroom. That's how that just came out from where the bathroom is as a window you could see the putdding green. Let's make that clear.
25:29.40
dave_gerhardt
We took a tough we we yeah I sent Yeah I sent ah I reached under the stall and and anyway kid in high school got hit kid in high school got suspended for that. You can't can't take smartphone under under a camera. So no, no, no.
25:42.65
Casey
No no I'm that's we don't We don't endorse that on this podcast.
25:48.99
dave_gerhardt
So so anyway so we saw him I will say though we reacted in the most like mature way. Do you know how many people talk about. We've talked about this on early podcasts how we would act if you meet somebody famous. How many people would I'm gonna fucking run down there. You know the the amount of people that had to run down there and make an uncomfortable situation where like we were like no this is almost so cool. He's just there with his dad like we're not going to go down and be like Tom hey what? how you doing.
26:08.83
Casey
So yeah.
26:14.26
Casey
The coolest thing you can do around someone who's super famous is just not acknowledge them hundred percent yeah that guy doesn't want my attention I'm going to become best friends with them and that's that's how it became best friends with Tom Brady and so we get to go.
26:20.50
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh yeah, because then I want them to be like but who's that guy who are you? It's dating 1 on one. Yeah, that was great. Ah wait I have a follow on story for this. This is.
26:33.79
Casey
Like god.
26:35.43
dave_gerhardt
I play golf with a guy up here. He says to me he goes ah and he's he has a buddy I remember this story I play with this guy I play with this guy twice and he's told me the same story each time so he has a buddy um his his uncle or something or his cousin he he lives down in that area. He's also a member at the same club you're at. And he tells me he goes? Yeah yeah, and and at that place Tom Brady senior is a member and 1 time we're down there and we're playing and we go in the locker room and I'm talking to Tom Brady senior at his at his locker and he he takes his ring out of his locker. He looks at the guy. He puts his I'm not even going to do it because he's sick. He puts his ring finger in his mouth licks his finger clean takes his ring out of his locker puts it on and goes sorry what were you saying.
27:20.53
Casey
Wow Yeah, that's a mic drop.
27:24.23
dave_gerhardt
This guys told me the exact same story twice and so I can I don't know if that's true and I'm assuming he wouldn't lie about that. But there you go to Tom Brady Junior and senior stories in one day for you.
27:33.31
Casey
Love that love that or im back to the eighteen t we we skipped over the sponsor title sponsor challenge. But I think you're pretty good with that. Do you have at and t up in Vermont that or you have like a satellite phone. How does it work you have service up there.
27:42.17
dave_gerhardt
Um, no.
27:45.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, we have starlink eat thanks to Elon Musk everybody hates elon I love him. Ah, we know we have so no, we we don't we live in an area where I just have verizon. Maybe you heard? Maybe you've heard of it but where exit 5 is where my in-laws live.
27:49.61
Casey
Where do you really have starlink.
27:55.83
Casey
Yeah, yeah.
28:02.75
dave_gerhardt
Until about two years ago the whole time we were dating. They had no legitimately no service at their house and they sent up starlink and now they have insanely fast internet and it's pretty fucking cool.
28:04.48
Casey
Um, yeah, um.
28:12.17
Casey
It's it's so funny I have a in-law parent house up state Vermont situation as well. Zero zero service there. Also so maybe we'll get into the starlin game and again if they want to starlink wants to sponsor the pod. We'd be. We'd be happy to have elon on think he gus only gives the patience for that.
28:26.81
dave_gerhardt
Um, sure ah I don't think he does now you can't golf if you work 20 hours a day all right? Do we do? We talk about everything we need.
28:30.54
Casey
But the time now. No I'm with you? Um, so amx stuff sorry not Amex the the pebble beach thing this week we can get into picks in a second um, anything else there. You've never been out there right I did I didn't ask you that.
28:40.94
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, no I never been out there I've always said it as this like oh if you could go play one call like I'd love to take my dad and go to pebble beach but I don't I don't even know if that's true I would need to do some more research.
28:53.70
Casey
Yeah, yeah, and 1 thing here is this is last week I met a bar um sitting at the bar with my wife having dinner and there's a guy next to me talking to his wife and I'm just eaves dropping and he's he's talking about going out to this event I don't know who he is. And what he does but he was talking about going out to this event and his exact quotes I took notes he said I'm just going for the free rolex and then he also said this what you like this. He also said later in the conversation and I don't know what any of this means I didn't pick up any context. Whatever he said.
29:21.34
dave_gerhardt
Um, what? what do you mean.
29:29.61
Casey
Yeah I want to go to the masters but he wants to go to Sweden that week. So my little bell went off in my head I was like Sweden. Maybe there's some synergy here I know we're huge in Sweden but this guy just I don't know who the guy was he probably works and some kind of works for someone who sponsors that or whatever. Um, but. That just kind of gave me a little bit of a vibe of the weekend there. Maybe I'm just a lot of guys there just there for the free rolex. No idea what that means. But yeah, um, man Malton Albo yeah second the first one was the century.
29:51.70
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, lot of malbon at this event I bet this is elevated. This is what this is a big time event then this is the first this is the first big one of the year ah yeah whatever
30:06.73
Casey
But but you can skip I think 1 or 2 so Rory had skipped that first one but he's back for this one because he's dominating in Dubai for two weeks
30:09.25
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, so we got everybody. We got everybody. We got 20 of the 30 of the basically every top player in the world if they're not yeah.
30:20.11
Casey
Yeah I mean the the ah the point of these of these tournaments were to get the best players in the world playing against each other more often and that was these 8 events and they gave again gave them some leeway on they could miss 1 or 2 if they had different commitments but this was kind of the reaction to live.
30:26.28
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
30:33.17
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, all right? Oh cool I'm excited now case you know what? you're really doing your job as the as the half of this podcast. You're really holding us down with the tournament like tournament knowledge I feel like you come, you come well prepared I appreciate that? um.
30:35.72
Casey
When they came up with this idea.
30:47.59
Casey
Yeah, but my full time job is clipping Anthony Kim highlights but my my part time job is prepping for this. Ah you want to do some picks.
30:53.10
dave_gerhardt
Wait to talk about that for yeah let's do pictures for a second but isn't that funny so case so Casey has been on Anthony Kim for forever. He's texting me this week and this week in the past week who knows when this is going to come up but the past week this this rumor. This rumor about Anthony Kim coming back and going to live or pj tour circulate on the internet casey happened to have this is tells you what about him a complete sicko a a month ago or something he says he happens to have the he happens to get notification that there's a Anthony Kim rider cup the 2008 rider cup is on so he dvrs it.
31:27.79
Casey
Because it knows a documentary on it on the golf channel to on channel. Yeah.
31:31.70
dave_gerhardt
And Doc. Okay, oh oh see so you you you you filmed the documentary. That's what it is.
31:36.13
Casey
Yeah, so so I that was probably like two or three weeks ago I just watching golf channel one night and that was on it was the o eight rider cup is I think was called I mean it was some golf channel production. It had a lot of interviews with like azing or it was it was pretty wellm made. But I'd never seen it before and I was telling you.
31:42.66
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
31:54.88
Casey
That's like the only rider cup since whatever one was before the 99 brookline 1 which really got me into it. Ah, that was the first rider cup that I really hadn't watched I was in college and I just wasn't tuned in that that day but I remember catching a little bit of it. But I don't remember too much of the. And there's not a lot of lasting memories from that. It's probably 1 of the more or the least um star power on a Us rider cup team in the last I don't know 40 years it's a lot of boo weeklies and those kind of guys but they they really play well but this was of course I had forgotten where Anthony Kim really kind of. Um, announced himself as as like ah the next tiger just the way he played but there was 2 things I'd never seen before I didn't remember was one was when he walked off the green after beating Sergio like 5 and 4 going to the next t and had no idea but I had this on my notes last week to talk to you about before any of this a k stuff even came up. Crazy. Um, and then there's this thing about him him saying um he was going to whoop Sergio's ass but anyway there was this as soon as the news broke last week that Anthony Kim was maybe in talks to come back to the tour or or live. Ah.
32:50.87
dave_gerhardt
It's amazing. So anyway.
33:06.55
Casey
I just wanted to like put that out because one of my favorite clips of of azing are saying like I told you I was going to whoop that ass like quoting Anthony Kim I couldn't find it anywhere online anywhere. So like how do I rip this off my dvr. So I set up like 4 chairs and like something and I screen recorded it with my iphone which is. I'm sure there's a lot of people there saying like there's a lot easier ways to do that. But I just posted it and let me tell you that people are hungry for Anthony Kim ah content because that went super viral for us.
33:29.99
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it went super viral and like just people are I'm like I kept checking my Twitter and I'm like getting all these mentions and I'm like what the heck are these people talking about and I see 25000 views fifty thousand views one hundred thousand views. It's at one hundred and forty four Thousand views which is. Amazing anyway, go go go and check out the long game podcasts. Um on Twitter so the field is great. This week. We got all the best guys in the world. Let's let's do our Draft case.
33:58.34
Casey
So why don't we do our pick so as everyone who falls the show knows we've been doing this season long grindish tour thing where we try to pick 3 guys outside the top one fifty now when you have a event with only eighty people you're not going to get I think there's only 4 guys outside the top one fifty so we're going to. Give Dave his wish so he can pick Patrick can lay. You can pick anyone here you won last week just real quick. Ah at the farmers I had picked Jonathan Vegas Johnny Vegas Daniel Berger and Kevin Streillman Johnny Vegas and Daniel Berger missed the cut and Kevin Streelman withdrew after hurting his back after coming out of the rough one day. So I made $0 for the second week in a row in this thing you had Davis Riley cut but Maverick Mc Neely finished ti for thirty seventh that was $40000 for you and Parker Cootie which I didn't know there was a couple cooties in the ah.
34:39.14
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, baby.
34:49.99
dave_gerhardt
Couple of them did I pick that I picked the right one.
34:52.22
Casey
In the field last week I think so parker I believe ty for twenty fifth 66000 over the sixty six thousand two hundred and sixty two dollars I've never seen this and fifty cents never seen the sense included on the on the money list but add those together you picked up about a hundred grand on me this week you're still down about.
35:08.19
dave_gerhardt
After Texas a just real quick. How many how many events is somebody like a parker cootie how many does he play in in a year. Do you think.
35:11.50
Casey
And don't know 1 point 2 or one point three million so picking these guys huge huge purse this week. Maybe you can make a ah bigger comeback I'll give you.
35:23.63
Casey
On what tour I assume he's is he full time status or is he.
35:30.34
dave_gerhardt
Ah, let's just say all in money make tournaments where he could earn Sixty Sixty grand basically I want to see like how is that how can what what kind of living can you make so give me a number he made 62 grand this week this week let's say he does that every every week this year. How many tournaments is that going to be.
35:44.46
Casey
Again I don't know what he's qualified for but I'm going to guess 15 to 20 Yeah yeah.
35:48.30
dave_gerhardt
20 so that be a cool 1.24 if he plays in 20 tournaments he brings in 60 grand a tournament that's a pretty good way to that's a good way to make it as a good after taxes after taxes. It's basically nothing but you're right case.
35:58.35
Casey
Well as your dad would say after taxes. Yeah yeah, you're breaking even.
36:07.89
dave_gerhardt
It's not ah, not a bad way to make a living you know make a cool one and a half one point two million dollars by finishing in the top 30 of a pj tour event every week. There's that's like that's the mule class I guess as they call them.
36:17.10
Casey
And and again think of all those guys from like the 80 s and 90 s who are probably like giving lessons. Still they're probably not too happy about their. They're been being under our pre tire. Well you won last week I'll give you choice you went first or and let's see if we can figure out how a snake drop.
36:21.42
dave_gerhardt
Crazy. Yeah, all right? So I got the first pick I got the first pick.
36:35.32
Casey
Draft works this week but you you can go first if you want ah interesting. Well I'm gonna pick my guy'm taking roar anytime I can so Rory welcome to team casey.
36:36.32
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, um, now I'm gonna defer because I don't think you're gonna pick my guy So I'm gonna get him either way. So I'm gonna defer. Okay.
36:49.57
dave_gerhardt
Ah, this is big. This is the first time you've been able to pick Rory I'm still not familiar. Um I'm going to take ah Scotty and come on I'm going to take Mr P Patrick can't lay.
36:52.92
Casey
Yep, and you get you get to here.
36:58.98
Casey
Um, oh.
37:03.47
Casey
By the way he does have a new hat. We brought this up a few weeks ago. It may be still gold. What was he not Goldman Sachs oh who was Goldman right? But it's a different no it maybe it's a different I don't know maybe have some new brand within there but I'm telling you is a new hat because he's got dwalt on the side because he's a.
37:10.20
dave_gerhardt
Is it melbo yeah Patrick can't lay. He's handyman.
37:23.36
Casey
He's a handy man all right? So you went Scottie Can'tley Eye had Rory. So I get to here I'm going to shock you a little bit here I'm Goingnna take max homa just because he's a California kid. Um, but I'm actually well I don't know if he's still outside though. Whatever but I'm Goingnna take one of your picks from last week I'm going to pick Maverick Mc Mcneely I could pick anyone here.
37:30.45
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
37:40.17
dave_gerhardt
Wow.
37:42.85
Casey
Top eighty I'm going Maverick Mcneely just because as a fan of Data Golf Dot Com you can go over great course. History tools Maverick Mcneely almost a shot and a half stroke gain at Pebble Beach 1 of the one of the top guys performing their last five years. So. And hope that continues and try to take some of the magic he had last week so
38:02.47
dave_gerhardt
Wow. Don't don't hurt him case pulling out some strokes gained here to inform your picks. Okay I see you all right? Don't let him get hot I got one more I like how you went.
38:10.46
Casey
I I made $0 last two weeks. Um I get to got to get this started up again all right? You get 1 more.
38:20.85
dave_gerhardt
Excuse me I like how you went a little bit down the leaderboard. Ah as I scroll past Lucas Glover and I don't I don't do the deed. Um, you know what? I'm going to get me I'm going to you know what. Ah case I'm gonna give me some malbon action this week I'm going to take Jason Day I'm gonna let's watch. Let's follow Jason dayve this weekend. So I'll give him the heart and I'll get get my other 2 guys. Yeah, we we want to let you know that? Um, if you're open to sponsoring. We'll have you but all I got I got schffler can't lay.
38:35.22
Casey
Wow.
38:41.60
Casey
An olive branch to potential guests.
38:50.75
Casey
Would you wear the pants if they sponsored you you have to wear them all year anytime you play golf. Yeah okay well Dave is open for business. Good to know.
38:52.47
dave_gerhardt
And malbon.
38:58.78
dave_gerhardt
Um, absolutely absolutely absolutely I'm trying to on my other on the ex if 5 podcast we're trying to find out a fuck if I can wear somebody's hat and we can monetize a ah hat.
39:11.60
Casey
Do you want us to pay you to wear the long game at do you have enough.
39:15.67
dave_gerhardt
Ah, match. Well if the at the rate that you keep losing money gambling on golf there is. There's not going to be any budget there.
39:19.60
Casey
Yeah that's true and 2 quick things ah are just 2 2 tournaments coming up that are after this I think we're getting into that really good groove. But this tournament I don't have a lot of history with again because it was such a shit show with Bill Murray and who is leading and it was kind of ah a poor field so or not a star set field now we're into this. But next week we've got the waste management and then in two weeks you've got ah Riviera which is those are 2 great tournaments in a row. But mike 1 of the questions for you. You're very anti. Um. Kind of the drinking bro golf stuff. How do? How do you feel about the waste management. Do you enjoy watching that.
39:57.46
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
40:02.76
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I I think it's I think throwing beer cans is dumb like and not it just I don't know looks like it's just the whole thing is dumb. The concept is that whole.
40:13.59
Casey
Um, but the concept of that hole The concept that hole is pretty cool.
40:17.66
dave_gerhardt
The concept of that hole is cool like do I like the concept of a crowd of course that's that's unbelievable watching people go nuts at a golf tournament when somebody hits a shot is is awesome. Ah, the the like. The deejay and like people like pumping up the crowd is a little bit too much for me and I'm not even like a golf purist. It's just like Corny. It's just like over overly done I I think like letting people be wild and cheer and and like boo for for shots. There is is all you need to make it interesting but.
40:45.47
Casey
Yeah, and your your big marketing guy's it's always interesting to see like those practice rounds are are like you know some Taylor Mabel debut some new driver. Whatever and the guys are like giving up throw them in the crowd and the practice round. So it's almost like a product launch hole in itself.
40:59.97
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah yeah I think you need to do I think you need to come up with you need you need to bring like top 3 moment top 3 most insane moments from that hole next week and we can discuss.
41:02.37
Casey
Can get more into this next week as we'll preview it and I I've actually played that course before which is interesting when they were.
41:15.12
Casey
Oh well I mean the tiger of hole one is easily by yeah that yeah yep, um, okay, and just because I brought up Riviera that's gonna be awesome too because I think we we mentioned this when Tiger announced as his or didn't.
41:19.90
dave_gerhardt
That's what I mean now you got let's I don't remember all these let's replay them.
41:32.42
Casey
Announces his departure from Nike just kind of put out a ah ah weird blank statement but he had mentioned in that statement see you in l a and i't think we've talked about Sunday read um the logo so that would be fun to to see how he I don't know how he's going to debut there.
41:36.81
dave_gerhardt
See you in L a bitch.
41:47.62
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, and he's it hi Riggy yeah Rickxiy I think he and he's playing like he's not just host. He's going to play.
41:50.79
Casey
He has like a big like robe on and throws it off. He's got the all the new gear I don't know.
41:58.83
Casey
Well, they haven't announced that yet, but they usually wait till you know a few days before to get everyone all ralled up but he'll.
42:03.80
dave_gerhardt
So but I mean he's not just going to you know, be there and like be like Ha Ha My new clothes are on me.
42:09.55
Casey
Yeah, and I and is that is that wait if I have the dates wrong is that is that lining up with the super bowl did they do do they do Saturday finish with that too who knows we'll check in next week we're getting ahead of ourselves here. But.
42:21.34
dave_gerhardt
No yeah, yeah, we are you are.
42:28.47
Casey
That's in two weeks I because I remember they did something with rivia a few years ago where they were changed the time and it was more of a late finish which is cool because it was yeah and before we move on from pga suffer real quick. We should mention um, news kind of just came out this morning that Terrell Hatton is off to live.
42:34.29
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah, so tune in next week to see what time the the termurnament.
42:48.19
Casey
Huge loss for I was thinking huge huge loss for Boston common golf. But why would that affect the virtual league I don't think those 2 are are connected. So maybe he's still still there. But yeah, the 2 big defections this week and and live season starts this weekend. They didn't even have everything figure figured out to last night
42:53.78
dave_gerhardt
Miss. Yeah.
43:02.61
dave_gerhardt
Apparently I bet you and Hovelin is going next.
43:07.33
Casey
No I think they're I think they're full if they I don't I do my best to try not to understand the format. But I guess it's all these teams of 4 and Rom was missing one and some other team was missing one. So that's where that guy Adam what is his name ah maronic whatever it was. He's he yeah that there you go.
43:23.16
dave_gerhardt
Adrian Moroc
43:26.31
Casey
Great factual podcast we have here but he's got he's off then Hadton just join Rom steam.
43:31.28
dave_gerhardt
Um, look I only subscribe I Only follow nuclear golf if it ain't on nuclear golf I didn't happen.
43:37.71
Casey
Those are friends of the pod too. We'd love to have those guys on. We'd love to hear their backstory but um.
43:39.97
dave_gerhardt
Nuclear gulf feels like it could be wrong. 50% of the time but it's like the way they deliver. The news is like it's like the alert emoji they're like breaking news like.
43:48.88
Casey
That's. Well, they also have this industry where they have this will make you laugh. They have trackers for everyone so you know the tiger tracker they have like terrell Hatton Tracker and it's you look. It's got like 4000 followers like who who's who's following Terrell Hatton shot the shot.
43:58.88
dave_gerhardt
Um, I'd know.
44:03.62
dave_gerhardt
But like what and like what's the infrastructure. Do they have this good team of like you know all right? you you to like hey Bob you manage like these 20 players god imagine having to manage all those accounts.
44:12.67
Casey
So well, we'll take you under thehood a little bit here but we've had some conversations with the guys over there about coming on the pod and there were they're just focused on on growing their brand right now but they said at some point they'd like to come on and talk about it. So I'd be interesting to to figure out how that works but I will say this.
44:21.85
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, all right gold got nuclear golf. You guys have an open invite. Whoever's your copywriter I need to talk to them.
44:33.88
Casey
Yeahp and and also um I think it was nuclear golf I don't know ah some maybe maybe it's not an affiliate but I saw out of our a k ah viral tweet that we had. We got followed by Anthony Kim Tracker which is hilarious because he hasn't hit a golf shot.
44:47.69
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh shit.
44:51.24
Casey
To track in what 14 years and who knows when the next won be but there is a Anthony Kim Tracker ready to go whenever he plays again, but the rumor is I guess live can have some single players and tournaments too and the rumor is he may be in live this weekend and we touch on this but as much as I hate live. It's the only place for. For a k right? doesn't make sense for him to go anywhere else because pjtor can't pay him like an up so upfront sum that would help satisfy the insurance money had to pay back and live can say here's ten ten million right
45:13.86
dave_gerhardt
Doesn't make any sense doesn't make any sense. No, that's it. Yeah, they wouldn't they you don't get paid. He doesn't want to he doesn't want to play he hasn't played for whatever reason. If you go in the pj tour right now you literally have to earn your money and it's probably nerve-racking as heck and it would be such a spectacle. It seems to be that they're just throwing money at you. So hey, here's 20000000 guaranteed and we get to market and promote the return of this mythical golfer. Yeah, it's genius.
45:42.73
Casey
But isn't it fun like you won't turn it as of right now you're not tuning in to live this weekend to watch rom right? like to specifically see how he does right? You don't care. Yeah, that's the season kicks off this week in Mexico and tune into our live podcast if you want want us to go deeper on that. But.
45:48.26
dave_gerhardt
No, they playing is there a live tournament so there tells you everything I need but here's the thing here's the thing like I love golf and I would enjoy watching John Rom Play golf I just
46:03.39
Casey
But you're not going out of your way to find it right? I mean I'm like you're not like Rom's debut I to go but my point is if Anthony Kim's playing this weekend. You're going to tune in right isn't that funny that Anthony Kim can move that needle but like 1 of the the number 1 or number 2 golfer in the world. Can't for.
46:07.21
dave_gerhardt
No.
46:12.50
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
46:17.42
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's interesting I don't know any any of these moves. Whatever I'm just like whatever, whatever this both of these That's what I mean and that's why like everyone just Jumps Jumps now. So whatever. Whatever whatever.
46:26.28
Casey
They're all going to be back together.
46:34.10
Casey
All right? um I ask you? Ah if you you've been teasing this to me for a while but to tell a story about you breaking par or shooting part for the first time and I had something um in this kind of vein too. So I want to? We're going to go back to story time and before we do.
46:37.86
dave_gerhardt
The cheese.
46:48.86
Casey
And he follow up from last week's story time you still remember your club any fight set up. We made out made it out of that clean.
46:53.80
dave_gerhardt
No I would I would love. Yeah I would love but with all the smoke you can bring it I'll be there waiting in my rav 4 for you.
47:01.98
Casey
All right if you missed last week's ah story time with Dave he told a great story about storming off a golf course that you should go back and check out but go ahead, give a story time this week
47:08.32
dave_gerhardt
Ah I got all I got all hot and bothered. Okay, so story story story for you this week and this is this just goes in the like how how much is golf about mental. You know how much of the mental part is there really in in the game of golf and that's why it's so unique. Um, two years ago I got into I got into homestead professional I've got into competitive golf for the first time meaning like ah started to play in. You know, actual tournaments where you have to put the ball in the hole and if you hit it ob 3 times you don't get to just write a number down and playing by the rules of golf and.
47:39.17
Casey
Right.
47:43.16
dave_gerhardt
It's great and I've gotten a lot I've gotten a lot better at golf over the years but I really wanted to like to me none of that is real unless you can do it in a competitive round. You know everybody's got that round. Oh I you know play with my buddies and I shot 78 like okay I was that guy but I'd also always go shoot 173 and I wanted to like.
47:49.62
Casey
Um, right.
48:01.38
dave_gerhardt
Put myself to the test and actually try to try to get better in a competitive environment so all around Vermont they have these like 1 day tournaments they're called state days and they're not super competitive but there is like ah you keep the score on golf genius somebody else is keeping your scorecard. You're going to you have to post the score. And it's more of a way to like get golfers around the state you get to just go play at all these different courses that you might not be able to get on right and so or just whatever basically twelve twelve times in the summer there's a Monday tournament There's like a kind of shittier course down down a couple miles away from me and. And I play there every now and then they had a tournament there on this Monday I had just finished up playing at the club championship at the place that I played and I played awful like played 251 I was like man I just spent so much time practicing I didn't get any better fuck this like golf is golf is so frustrating. Promise I won't tie my ah my self-worth into my golf scoring but that's how it goes sometimes and I had just felt like I was like burnt out I wasn't home a lot the last couple days because I played we played Friday Saturday Sunday this thing was on Monday. And I was like man fuck this the last thing in the world I want to go do is play more golf right now like I don't want to see my clubs forever and I was going to just cancel and not show up and then that morning I was like all right? You know what fuck it I'm just going to go I'm going to have no expectations I drove to the course my tea time was at Eight Twenty I got to the course.
49:31.25
dave_gerhardt
For a tournament at 188 I put my shoes on I went to the first hole so you hit an iron off the first toll I just all right here we go I hit a I hit like a 6 iron I hit and then I hit my approach shot to right on the edge of the cup and I tapped it in.
49:45.36
Casey
Wow.
49:48.85
dave_gerhardt
And I walked I was walking to the second tee and I'm like 30 minutes ago I was at my house being like I'm not going to go to this thing and like I didn't warm up and all of a sudden I'm one under and I made a birdie on the first hole and I was like holy shit I went to the next hole I made another birdie and I was like okay and I ended up making some bogies long story short. I made 6 birdies on the day and 6 bogies on the day and I shot even par and then three and a half four hours later I'm standing in my in the parking lot and I'm like what the hell just happened and that was like the most insane feeling because I'm like how can the same guy who just shot 85 yesterday and you got to.
50:09.33
Casey
Laugh.
50:24.25
Casey
Um, yeah.
50:27.31
dave_gerhardt
You were there an hour before and you ate this breakfast and you warmed up today. You literally strolled out of bed and you you made 6 birdies say and that to me just tells me everything about golf.
50:33.75
Casey
Yeah, it very reminds me of Rory at that rider cup at madina right? I think it was madina where he met his wife he was he roll out the bed like 5 minutes of 4 You got a police you have a police escort to the first ti no you just you were good.
50:44.35
dave_gerhardt
I did yeah is me me driving 50 like you know one hand on the wheel eating a bacon egg and cheese.
50:52.32
Casey
Yeah, um, so that's your low right? is that a 72
50:56.60
dave_gerhardt
Ah, that was yet. No my low is I have one I have 2 I have 2 rounds under par I've shot one under at 2 different courses and that's my low but this that that was the most birdies I ever made in around 6 birdies was.
51:06.77
Casey
Well, what was was the second most if 6 is your most was this like a significantly but like was it 3 or 4 or have you been in that.
51:12.17
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah I think I've I think I don't I can't remember making 5 I think 4 usually four is a really good is a really good round.
51:22.84
Casey
Yeah, ah this this is great though this this feeds right into something I had but real quick too I I feel like years ago it was this couple years ago I feel like you told me something where on the last hole you like had a lost ball you thought and then you had a bunch of people helping you look for it and you found it so you could like make the par to stay under par is that.
51:37.50
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, oh yeah, that ah I shot I shot even ah yeah, that that was actually either I shot even or 100 that but that that was a day there was this this guy at where we play it gets together like a Saturday morning game and you just get paired with 3 random guys and you each become a team and there's maybe 20 or.
51:39.92
Casey
Different story.
51:50.14
Casey
Yeah.
51:56.72
dave_gerhardt
20 people in it. It was so fun. This is such a good golf story because I only knew one of the other guys in the group and by the eighteenth hole we were like best friends and we had this bonding experience of nobody else in the group was playing really well I was just blacked out and I was like.
52:11.24
Casey
Um, yeah.
52:13.25
dave_gerhardt
Was like 1 under through so through 15 and then we lost my I couldn't find my ball in a Bush and no joke I had 4 guys like on their hands and knees and they were like we caught it and everyone went nuts and high-fived and I ended up getting up and down from there to save par and it was like.
52:23.59
Casey
And some.
52:28.93
dave_gerhardt
It was so much fun like those moments are when you have a good group like that is so much fun.
52:33.59
Casey
Ah, so the question I had coming off of that which is a great story for this is something I saw that really resonated with me are not personally me but a couple months ago was you ever see Bryson talking about learning how to shoot under par now again. My.
52:46.10
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yeah.
52:48.89
Casey
My my thing is I'm like a my lowest score is a 77 so I'm nowhere near this that was a again a blackout day like you're saying where things I'll just line up I'm trying to get down from like a nine ten handyap but for someone like yourself I want you to try to do it this spring but you've seen the bryson thing where he says you should play from the reds right.
53:03.26
dave_gerhardt
I want to do this. We've talked about this Eddie shout out to Eddie Eddie's listening right now somewhere. But um I've wanted to do this I'd love to take like 1 of our regular Wednesday games and go up to the reds and just and and try to go low I think it's I think it's not gonna be as easy as.
53:19.11
Casey
Um, yeah, it.
53:21.47
dave_gerhardt
I Think it is in my head because so much of the scoring is going to happen. The short clubs are still going to be the short clubs and that's where you score.
53:26.20
Casey
Yeah, in his point and you should go find the clip if if you're interested he he talks about how that's what he did it helped him learn how to it's a whole different game trying to learn how to score and stay under par right? and he'm just saying the best way to do is move up to the reds like people think that's like.
53:37.74
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's actually um, there's a course up here. There's a part There's a it's essentially a par 3 course right? It's like ah they have a couple par fours. It's like a maybe a par sixty or something like that and. I love playing there because you just hit irons all day and that really like teing ah teeing off with an 8 iron to a green all day makes you so much better and I feel like you you learn, especially with the short clubs. So I love that idea that would be It's a shame we we should go film.
54:10.80
Casey
Yeah I well there be I it makes me really want to like well I would probably rat it no matter what but like seeing someone like you would be interesting to see like if you did that if that was saying you just mix into your thing like if you play 4 times a week you mix it in once a week. It'd be interesting to see. Ah.
54:11.27
dave_gerhardt
We should go film that you and me playing from the ritz.
54:20.12
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
54:26.52
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, the the challenge though is like even if I hit it even if I hit it good like it's always going to be putting. It's always going to be putting like when I like on it on that day that I made 6 birdies as an example like I hit it close a bunch of times but like.
54:29.60
Casey
Ah, that comes up some.
54:34.58
Casey
Um, yeah.
54:43.72
dave_gerhardt
You make a unexpected 15 footer and you're just like shit. Okay, it's going to be 1 of those days you guys I love that steal a few. Ah.
54:46.23
Casey
Right? They get to steal a you? Yeah well when you're me, you're definitely stealing a few um, that's funny though. It's funny. You'd you'd heard that clip too. Bryson's
55:00.68
dave_gerhardt
yeah yeah I I mean bright. Ah yeah, have you I've been sending you some the stuff he's doing awesome. He's doing awesome like genuinely helpful content on Youtube he has this great video right now that he put out which is like how to how to work how to work on your game at home.
55:02.49
Casey
Jason slowly coming back into my good graces.
55:17.80
dave_gerhardt
And you can do it all with basically like no equipment. He's just and it's not douchey. He's just like making like genuinely helpful stuff and it's the reason that I love Phil I love hearing guys geek out about golf I also sends my brain in like 50 different directions because I'm like oh maybe I should do that and do this and do this and do that.
55:35.60
Casey
Yeah, all I got to make the case but you have some inner obes you want to do before we wrap or get anything else.
55:36.40
dave_gerhardt
But I love learning that stuff.
55:43.70
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah I have I have I have 2 quick ones 1 quick comment. Um I sent in I found my I don't know if I told you this but when I was home over Thanksgiving I found my putter from high school scotty I sent it in and I just sent them a message to get an update on it. I sent it in December and the shit it's going to come back to me on ah April twentieth
56:01.70
Casey
Wow you know it's funny I just saw sergio posted a video of he like he sent 1 in like last week and it came back like a day later. They just did a you may have a little more you know umph than you at this point.
56:09.91
dave_gerhardt
The fucks are you? Yeah so so anyway, you me seeing your hoodie today made me think of that my real quick inner o b for you right now is it inner o b to wear gear from your country club. Or a country club.
56:30.40
Casey
Ah, what was question is it What is it? do she? oh.
56:33.54
dave_gerhardt
Inner O B to to where now you said douchey I said is it Inner O B to wear branded country club gear.
56:42.12
Casey
Well here's how I'll I'll answer that the other day I was saying to my wife like I think I need to get like new clothes. She goes well where do you shopper clothes and I said the the pro shop usually at my golf course. So um I'm going to say I'm in on that because half of the shit I own is that I try not the word a lot on here.
56:54.88
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah.
56:59.39
Casey
To become. Ah, ah you know Typecast As as that guy. But um, it's half half I like the stuff my course is a cool logo but also it's half I don't find myself in like clothing departments very often and when I do it's at a golf course Sometimes so.
57:03.50
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah.
57:11.43
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, sure sure that's fair. It's like the equivalent of like wearing like a club basketball team hoodie and in in middle school or high school. No I don't.
57:17.18
Casey
Like I need a new jacket I Guess yeah.
57:23.26
Casey
Yeah I mean do you wear like you wear stuff from college like your college baseball stuff at all. Yeah, do you wear country club stuff.
57:30.86
dave_gerhardt
I don't ah I do but I prefer I think you you have you have an awesome logo I Think like if it's a good logo. Yeah shout out would love to get. We just thought we talked about that with ah.
57:40.87
Casey
And by the way this is ah this is a great logo to old sandwich I'm wearing I'm not I do not belong there I got to someone snuck me on there once. But.
57:50.40
dave_gerhardt
Do we we talk about Jj Redick or something like that or you sent that article anyway, um I think something like that is great. Yeah, if it if it's spelled out I don't like it if it's a good logo then then um, it's it's in inbounds for me all right? What's your make the case. No no, definitely not.
57:52.11
Casey
Oh he played like the member guest. So yeah.
58:03.60
Casey
Does it matter if it's your if it's your club versus a different club.
58:09.34
dave_gerhardt
Like if I was um if I was a member at ah I don't know what's a good course. Pine Valley is that a good course they call Dave you got the Pine Valley hat yeah I know a guy.
58:13.66
Casey
Yeah I don't know if you can I don't know if you can leave the course with that gear. That's so private there though there was another inner O B that we had sent each other this week. Ah, which I think we already know how we align on it though, but it's a good message for everyone else out there. I Think it was we were talking about Ino B teeing off out of turn which is we're both in on because keep it moving right? There's a lot of people would be like well I you know you scored better than me. It's I get up on the T box and hit whoever's ready ready golf right? That's what we're endorsing.
58:46.13
dave_gerhardt
Ah, drives me nuts. Yeah, get on the T and hit and you're you're never going to defend somebody and even if the group is not slow. No, but no, but you you can also just say yes you even in a tournament you can be like hey if I think it's fine I think especially if it's like.
58:53.69
Casey
It don't do this in a tournament right.
59:04.58
dave_gerhardt
If somebody else is like you know has a sandwich and they're putting it down. You know, like especially in those situations like you need to look around and be aware of the group and be like hey guys I'm just going to go and like if you think that someone is an asshole because they went. You're an asshole.
59:12.19
Casey
Or someone's at the scorekeeper. Yeah, exactly.
59:21.49
Casey
Right? Um, or I got a quick make the case make the case for ah, an idea here for you. Um, you play like like myself you played high school golf right? You play 4 years or years how long I mean play. Yeah, same 4 years um
59:31.17
dave_gerhardt
I did every every year. Yeah yeah, 4 years
59:40.25
Casey
What I think I asked you this few weeks ago but did your parents ever your parents ever show up to the course and what was the most amount of people ever watched you play in high school like that it was are just like the people who alternates in the coach right.
59:44.93
dave_gerhardt
No.
59:52.79
dave_gerhardt
None maybe maybe none we all could have walked in after 9 and told everyone that we shot 29 and everyone be like great. Yep well, it's a sensitive subject.
01:00:02.73
Casey
Okay, so like myself too you played high school basketball right? How many people would go to those games.
01:00:12.48
dave_gerhardt
Case but ah 50 Yeah yeah, did I've there were basketball games in in high school where there were hundreds of people. Yeah.
01:00:14.68
Casey
There'd be a lot of people right? Oh really? Well I mean you can get like but you have like your student section and stuff right? like we had a couple hundred people at games and stuff like big ones right? Why why? Why can't we have ah like high school. Galleries at high school tournaments I want like like the the the idiots who are make an inappropriate chant and stuff like this have like a gallery behind 9 right? because it don't play 18 or and you can walk the course like it's same rules as basketball if you.
01:00:32.37
dave_gerhardt
Okay, this is let let everyone go let all your friends go they would be sick. Oh my? Yeah yeah. Yeah, right? That's a great idea.
01:00:49.67
Casey
And start cursing in front of a bunch of sixteen year olds you're going to get kicked out but why why shouldn't there be more electric environment for like I don't even know collegiately if there's that many um if they let people on there I don't know like students or ends.
01:01:04.20
dave_gerhardt
No, and you know what it would be ah, it be a fun activity. It'd be a fun activity like if you are in high school would you rather go and well maybe and I you're going to go sit in a gym for two and a half hours or like what if you could be outside in nature. Walking while cheering and rooting for your buddies I like this case I think you're I think you might be onto something What do you think why? why Why has nobody done. It.
01:01:22.60
Casey
Um, and I don't know well I think probably ah the biggest reason is the high schools own their gym and the high schools aren't owning golf courses right? So you're going to have to let the courses agree to let.
01:01:33.22
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, someone's gonna have to be responsible for. We've been there.
01:01:38.64
Casey
These idiots come on the course I'm going to call them idiots because I think but I think I'd like it more when I was on the like a way I don't know if I'd love it at home. But like I think I get if there was like people kind of like not heckling me but kind of like cheering loudly against me like that when I play in this four day member guest every year we get we get people. We'll get like ten fifteen people following us because their family of someone and that gets me going like when they start clapping too loud for you know I don't we don't my dad I never let like we don't want anyone really to come out and follow us. But when they get these big crowds for the other people. It gets me I know you can kind of play.
01:02:02.10
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:18.19
Casey
Play off it a little bit I would say and all that stuff's kind of in your head just made up like but I don't know like you hit a bad shot and someone claps by accident and like thinking this like 6 year old woman is out to like out for me to fail I don't know it lights a little fire under you. But I think it's a good idea crowds at high school high school.
01:02:29.31
dave_gerhardt
A good shot.
01:02:36.40
Casey
Event.
01:02:36.96
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I like it. It'd be fun grow the game case all right, thanks for that was fun I love catching up with you and and getting to talk a little bit of golf next week we got John Sherman on the pod we're going to talk about ah lessons from his book.
01:02:39.10
Casey
I like it. Yeah.
01:02:52.69
dave_gerhardt
Ah, the 4 foundations of golf which if you haven't read it. You got to go read it. It's ah, super nerdy like if you're into golf and getting better. Go check that book out. We'll talk to him next week case yeah Yeah exactly exactly. So there's like there's like ah you know strokes gained.
01:02:59.42
Casey
And he's big on like a strategy right more than stats like stats more golf course management.
01:03:09.30
dave_gerhardt
Ah, he believes in. You know there are apps and stuff you can use to game improvement but he's He's really just about understanding the game and how many strokes we leave out there that actually have nothing to do with swing mechanics or.
01:03:19.35
Casey
By right.
01:03:21.74
dave_gerhardt
Strategy's it's really interesting stuff and I read his book last year and I got a bunch of stuff like highlighted in notes and so we'll have plenty to talk about with him. Yeah I think I I think so he's also a really good. He's also a really good amateur player himself. So I'm looking forward to watching the golf this weekend. Hopefully.
01:03:26.13
Casey
Cool I have ask him about the bryson thing too playing from the reds I think that's maybe he has a take on that time.
01:03:40.50
dave_gerhardt
Patrick Cannily can get it done and um case I'll talk to you next week. But.
01:03:42.87
Casey
Worry come on. But.