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You also tore your ACL partially. I had a level two. Um, level two is a partial tear. Weak. And what did size be? You got to do it right. Do it all the way. Number three. Number three. He has a completely torn. How how painful is it? It was painful, but not as painful as when I hurt my wrist. So, it's it's painful in that I'm getting MRI on this, too, by the way. So, okay. I had a partial ACL, MCL, and uh medial meniscus tear from basketball. Uh all level two. And the orthopedic was like, "Well, you're a perfect candidate for surgery." And I said, "No." And what I had read previously um was that level two doesn't necessarily mean automatic surgery. I stopped believing in science as co as well. So So then I just said no. Like why aren't you I guess like what was concerning you
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golden latte [ย __ย ] Well I think this podcast is going to be really popular with 80 year olds. That's very relatable. [Music] All right, let's get this show on the road. Hello everyone. My name is Ahmed Mirza. I am your wonderful audacious host of Nonsense. Uh, and I'm joined by two amazing co-hosts, Sajid and Emad. Uh, they'll be co-piloting with me. Nonsense is kind of bringing together a different perspective on what it means to be a dad in 2025. So, raising a family, managing your kids, managing your career, but most of all, managing your emotions. So, today's topic is a big one. We're gonna be talking about fear. Whoa. Of what? What do you think of fear? It could be fear of anything, but emotional fear. Emotional fear, could be physical, existential, maybe related to your career. It's deep topic. Uh, I think what keeps me up at night are are like the um kind of the stressors in life, right? Like family stuff or uh dealing with aging parents, right? Or work rellated stuff, but I don't think my fears are necessarily, you know, embedded in that. May maybe some of it is some of those things have like underlying fears, but you know, I'd need a therapist to really get into that in a deeper way. But I think why don't you have a therapist? Why don't I have a therapist? It's like all the rage. You could like text a therapist. You could text AI. That's true. I I want a good therapist. So good therapists out there, hit me up. I think um the reason I haven't probably stuck to anyone is there's something my wife and I talk about over the last like 20 25 years in one way or another. I've kind of benefited from therapy. Um but not it's not like conventional therapy with therapists like early on in college it was like a uh a mentor counselor type as I started working there were like individuals that like took me under their wings and like you know or I I went through these like leadership things or whatever. But in terms of my fears uh I don't know I don't know what my fears are today compared to like like I know what my fears were when I was 10. Yeah. Tell tell me when you were 10 what were your fears? Um, Jin, basically like Jyn were the number one fears. Yeah. Wow. Okay. For sure. So, for our viewers that don't know what Jin is, turn it off. Like, if you don't know what Jin is, what what is Jin? Uh, Jin are now some moola is going to come after me for like defining this wrong, but I guess they're essentially a another creation, right, that Muslims believe exist. Uh they're paranormal and um they're, you know, made out of different material but also sentient and uh can see us and we can't really see them. Sounds like AI. It kind of feels like AI. Yeah. The difference the big difference though from AI so far is they can uh like go into people's bodies like you know maybe you're a Jen. Like as far as I know like some exorcist [ย __ย ] Yeah. Some exorcist. Yeah. So and that's what got me freaked out. Yeah. With Jensen. What's Exorcist about, by the way? Like what is Yeah, I demons. Yeah, I think so. But that movie me like in a deep deep way. Really? Really? And you watched it at 10 years old. I watched it at under 10. No. Get out of here, dude. Yeah. I have some cousins that are a little bit older than me. They were visiting and they're like, "Oh, we should watch them." And next thing I know, I watched Exorcist and Omen. Oh my. You guys remember Omen? Like from the I I like late '7s. They don't make movies like that anymore. They don't. Hell no. It was scary as [ย __ย ] Those are good. And cuz they're like mind fs. And so I knew about Jyn from, you know, just being a Muslim kid. Yeah. Being around like the elders. Now you got some demonstration. And then and then I saw the movie. I was like, "This is Jyn." Oh god. And I was so freaked. So like I think about my kids and we've talked about Jyn and stuff, but in a very like Really? Yeah. Yeah. but in a very interesting like kind of not superficial but like in a like kind of matterof fact way. Yeah. Like there's there angels like nobody has trouble nobody's scares scared of angels. Uh obviously you're scared of angels. I mean if they did some crazy stuff I'd be like hey Yeah. So we leave that part out. I mean have you not watched the show Angel? It's pretty scary. What the hell? No. What? Buffy the vampire type. What is Angel? Kind of like that. It's a offshoot of Buffy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Offshoot of Buffy. It was my wife's favorite show. So, goodness. For the longest time. But you were watching it. I was I watched a couple of episodes. You had that reference like boom. You know, I'm a dynamic person. Dynamic. I'm dynamic. I'm dynamic. Yeah. Dynamic. So, okay. So, do jyn still kind of scare you or do you have fear of them today? You know, that's funny. Uh my wife and I would talk about this and like I think it's very easy to rationalize not being scared of Jyn the way that I was as a as a younger person because like the the list of worries and like real experiences life experiences have you know you have so much data right around like the things that can actually go wrong and you know other than like one out of like I don't know a million data points none of those are really like related to Jin. you know, so it feels like But if you saw one, you would [ย __ย ] your pants. Oh, hell yeah. But I don't I don't fear seeing one the way that I did growing up, right? Like um I think that's a big difference. I have a simple litm I what I do is like I ask every friend I ever can even till this I'm 41 years old and it's a it's a question I'll ask like if I if anybody I know firsthand has firthand experience with a gin. That's what I want to know. I have yet to come across except for your wife who's told me a story that scared me for like five days straight. Have you guys had a friend or somebody who's like firsthand told you a jin story? My mom did and I trust I trust my mom. You trust your mom? Yeah. My mom. She was like a kid in living in um I don't know Pakistan or something and which is where the gin come from. That's where they come from. That's where they come from. Yeah. They have a That's why it's hard to find them here. I mean, you can go looking and maybe you'll find Well, they probably take the flight. Well, I think Yeah. You think they fly business literally? I That's a good one. There have to be some like going back and forth like there's like business class, first class, heaven class, you know, there somewhere on the plane, you know. Uh yeah. So, she told me the story. I don't know. I feel weird repeating it. I I don't think I've ever told really anything. I want to hear this. Um so, So, when did she tell you this? How old were you? I was like in my teens. Okay. Yeah. So, you're old enough to like know that this is real? She Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's not messing with you either. She's not messing with me. I think she told me to make me feel better because I was so freaked by it, right? Like, so I think the story was her and her brother were playing on the roof. You know, in like Pakistan, you play on the rooftops. and they're playing on their rooftop and they look over at the the neighboring roof and they see a head floating of a family member. Just the head, right? Like I think I don't she never told me which family member. That's the part that was concealed from for me. And she's completely like, you know, they're freaking out, right? Just just that just floating around. So they come back in and my nana, right, my grandfather sits them down and she's like, "He made us read so many dua and so many like suras and stuff that if anything it like embedded the memory like even deeper." Right. Right. Just like kind of really like soaked it in. Wow. Yeah, that's If my mom told me any story, I don't believe her. Wow. Okay. Yeah. I hope she hears this podcast. Then I like heard a story from your wife who grew up in Northridge in a regular house. Don't want to hear the story. So now this is where I draw the line. I feel like scary. It's too scary. North is like an hour away. Yeah. Too scary. Yeah. No, I I won't repeat uh the story here. That's her story to tell. I have to share like so being scared. I have to share a story through the lens of my 2-year-old son and my brother-in-law who who's not who doesn't have a kid at the time. He's married. He's like, "I'm going to buy your son a amazing gift that he's going to love." So, he buys my son who's 2 years old. He has no no sense of like what's the right age? What toys are there? He buys him a Game of Thrones dragon. Oh my. That's remote controlled. Throws out smoke. So like when he when my son gets it, he's super excited. So every time we take it out and this thing blows like this like steam out of his its nose, he is scared. We have a similar thing with my kids. Uh at grandma's house, there's this really what started off as a cute little clown that's saying happy birthday, right? But over time, this clown is probably as old as 40year-old clown at least now, right? It's like, uh, are you sure you're not talking about yourself? They're like, "Why have a picture picture of?" No. So, um, but this this clown, right? It now just sounds creepy as hell. Just go, "Happy birthday." Right. And the kids are just so like That's how you sound on this podcast, by the way, to all of our like five listeners out there. That's what you sound like. We We're up to We're up to five. We're up to five. Oh, awesome. Can't wait. Thanks, Sagai.
I guess I'm still scared of Jin is kind of what this breaks down to. Yeah, at some level. Thanks for bringing that out. Therapy session right here. Goodness. Um, but yeah, I I think like the real takeaway for me has been there there bigger things to be worried about in life and I don't think those are fears, but they are like the concerns of a 40ome year old man. You know, I think I think really it comes down to fears related to the most important relationships in your life. Probably that's like the big thing versus career and some of these things. And I think there is a there's a stress around work, but I don't think there's a fear around work the way that like maybe you people have in their 20s and 30s. Yeah. Yeah. So, like for me, what I try to demonstrate and like obviously there's been a lot of fearful moments in life, right? Like things you get scared of. Um, I'm actually personally not a fan, a huge fan of roller coasters. Not that I'm fearful of them, it's just something that I don't like, right? And like I think maybe when I was younger I enjoyed them, but now I don't. Like that thrill, that that fastpaceness like not my thing. Yeah. Right. And I try to lack of testosterone probably. Pro probably I I look I took some gin and used some ride in Disneyland to book some I took some tea pills. It didn't work out. Anyway, but what I'm trying what I'm trying to get to is like I still do the things that I don't like to do or the things that I might be fearful of in order to show my kid that hey sometimes you just need to do it. And and do you tell your kid that you're fearful of these things? So no. Right. And that's that was going to be my next question to you all is like do you show or or demonstrate your fear to to your kids? So growing up my dad uh he was he seemed fearless. He was an immigrant. Yeah. He just didn't seem like he was scared of anything. And I like that. Obviously there's like a there's like a you know something you respect in that. But I also think that it's helpful to see like how you navigate situations where you are uncomfortable. You don't have to come out and say like you know I'm scared of do doing this but I think uh for example I share with my kids hey I have some big presentation today and I'm nervous about it right or I have um some speaking engagement and it's like you know it's like scared to go up on stage. So, I think those types of things are are valuable for I hope for my kids to hear from me. Um, your fear is what prevents you from like really succeeding or getting ahead and doing. Have you guys bungee jumped? Yeah. No, that that is like such a fear to get over like you have to mentally like totally really tell yourself I I got to take the leap like there's and your body is saying nope, don't do that. You're going to die. Yeah. Right. And I haven't done bungee jumping, but I went skydiving. So, yeah, like similar like close second. Easy. Skydiving is easy. Skydiving is easy because you're strapped to somebody. Bungee jumping. You have to take the decision. You have to take. You were the one pulling the trigger. Yeah. No, totally. I did bungee jumping one day and I did skydiving literally the next day. And skydiving must have been easy. Easy. I remember thinking like bungee jumping, you know, like, okay, I got to push myself off a sled. Super scary, right? Skydiving, you're in a plane, you just see a bunch of clouds. A dude, a dude, you don't know a tree. When you were bungee jumping, you see, oh, I see that's a tree. That's a rock. Water like barely any water. It was like dry. But the the the plane, you know, like the dude is like some, you know, big burly Kiwi. I was in New Zealand. That was awesome. I was like, "Come on, Chad. Let's do that." Yeah. So what I want to get back to is like how do you teach this concept of that fear is really good because it prevents you from dying and on the other hand there's certain fears you have to overcome to take risks that potentially might lead to outsized outcomes for you. So I think that's an interesting concept to explore you know. Yeah, I'm big on like teaching kids risk, right? Like how do you do that? I I or risk-taking. Um, and I think you can do it through fear. I do think like we need to let our kids go outside and be comfortable with them playing outside alone and and doing those things. I let I let my kid play with power tools when I'm doing stuff on the weekend. Um, and I'm like, "Okay, have at it. Just don't like mess up your fingers or hands." What do you guys think about CO? I think CO was a very fearful time. Like we had gloves on. I taking out our groceries. Okay. So this is that was crazy. So this is a good good segue. So like has your perception of something that's fearful changed over time. So like co in the moment was very fearful, right? Like everyone was scared to go outside. You know, we had gloves. I remember we were I don't know if you guys were we were wiping down groceries. We did it outside the house because we were worried it was going to come inside. So, I mean, I think that there's a distinction here between fear and anxiety. And I don't think I don't think I I had a fear during co as much as like there's a level of anxiety that a lot of people were operating at. Sure. But aren't they one and the same? I think they're different because the anxiety is stemming from something, right? Like Yeah. I mean, what are we going to get into secondary and tertiary emotions here? Well, like look, I you're you're not a scientist. I'm not a scientist. I'm just saying the one fear is always true. I'm happy you're saying well the fear like fear in my mind at the end like the ultimate fear is a fear of death for me like real more recently right once you hit 40 I think you start thinking about it and I think I fear it like like why do you guys fear it? I fear it for not myself as much as the ones I love. intertwined with that is also fearful of like not living up to like my full ability or potential or like just having that in the back of my head like I didn't get to do everything that I wanted to do. FOMO like kind of like a FOMO. Yeah, I guess so. Like and not like things leisurely that I want to do but things that I wanted to achieve, right? Like that is like the fear. Uh and in some ways, yeah, that's related to death and and things like that. Well, I feel like that is a fear if I live out my years, right? Like I'm I hit whatever 80, 90, 100 and I don't hit the goals implicit or explicit that I've laid out for myself, then I fear that happening. But this idea of like a life abruptly ending early right statistically speaking to me I don't feel that but I feel what you said around um like what it means for my my loved ones right so like if gone tomorrow then that's like a complete disarray right and um I think that's that's probably the biggest fear that's probably the biggest fear in life to be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Like I I feel like if I died to tomorrow, I would have no regrets. I feel like you you bungee jumped and you skyd. It's great. More like my own fear is like I'm going to end up in Gitmo, you know, like for some random reason like I didn't pay my tax or like that's what you're fearful. I know. I feel like I'll be at Gitmo and like I'll be talking to my cousin be like, "Yeah, I didn't pay my taxes." You know, I was just like, pardon me. It's just going to be such a difference. So all of this gets cut. All of this gets cut. This whole thing gets cut. What? And is your cousin in Gitmo also? Is it is it a family? Is it a family retreat? Just saying. What is happening? This is my fear. Like I'm like gonna end up there, you know. So I I will assume that just got cut and now I will talk.
We're going to keep we're going to keep that in. Okay. So related to this I have had a dream where and this GMO no no not not exactly but this recurring dream and it started around 2016 and it's come around a few times. El Salvador is the new Gitmo by the way. Yeah more or less that right so like the dream is uh there are people with pitchforks essentially coming to the house right and like what do I do? So they're coming and I'm like scrambling like oh [ย __ย ] like what happened and basically it's like you know white supremacists are coming toward and the um there's a there's a music video around this right from um from Riz Ahmed in in you know what producer it's a whole film right it's a whole film but there's a specific like I think um song anyways he'll come to us and even before I saw that the song is playing in your dream the song's not playing but it's just like a manifestation Like my dream is like that like that visual is present. Yeah. So like that's a fear I guess. Yeah. I wonder what changed in 2016 to make you start having that dream. Yeah. So like what happened? Yeah. In 2016 like 9 years ago. What happened? What happened? What happened? Yeah. I don't know. You tell me. It was a Trump era. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Trump won. Okay. Well, you guys thought like I got like a I thought it was like something personal. No, no, no. This is 2016. Trump Trump won. Trump has been in your head since Trump's people. Yeah, I'm still dealing with this. Can I Can I Can I add to this actually? Yeah. I understand what you're saying cuz I feel like growing up and stuff happens and you see stuff on the news and things are going on in the government and whatever, right? And you just think, "All right, yeah, they'll figure it out." Or one side will do something, the other side will come back and, you know, we'll just keep moving along. And I don't know if it's getting older and being a little more aware of reality. The same thing what you were saying with roller coasters. I'm I was never a huge fan, but I was okay as a kid. But now as an adult, if I go to the local fair, I get on the ferris wheel. And I've been on a ferris wheel in Pakistan, I've been on the like the real janky like the powered one where the guy is like Yeah. Yeah. and we're like there's no straps and nothing and you're still alive or but now if I go to one here I'm thinking like oh man like it's getting windy up here like who knows what could happen to this thing right but something nowadays I don't know it's different where you go and you think everything we grew up reading and hearing about like I always thought that was way back then and we're moving forward and now all of a sudden it's like hey all that stuff that we see in other countries those people also probably thought this can't happen or this won't be happening And you know at what point do you go wait a minute like so okay fearful time for Muslims for immigrants um for people essentially any other color than white. Well I I would actually push back on that. I think even white people feel really really scared perhaps. I I think they're acting out because they're But is it actual fear or is that anxiety? Right. Like and I guess the difference now there's a difference. When I said there was a difference. I what I'm trying to get at is that I think people of color, communities of color have like the stakes are too high. No, but like we've been subject to it for so long, right? Like we know people who have been unjustly detained at the airports and by authorities and unjustly detained at the airport. FBI shows up, you know? Yeah. Okay, fine. That's why I have I have real fear. There's a lot of stuff happening. A lot of stuff that keeps me awake at night. a lot of stuff that I want to fight for. How do you ensure that that stuff doesn't get transposed or transferred to your kid? How do you deal with that reality, but at the same time be that superhero that you were talking about? I think that's super hard. U as a you know, brown person, a Muslim American, a you know, you name it, they have to deal with this. So, I think for me it's important that we talk to them. Obviously not at a very deep level, but we talked to them about, you know, what types of things are happening around the world and like what that means for our communities here and you know people are getting arrested or things are you know some things are fair and some things are not fair and you know this is not everybody but this is some people and I think like like it's going to be like they need to navigate this and at the same time oh um you know your your teachers or like you know this friend at school or whatever like they're wonderful and you know like the community that we're in like is how it should really be and you know we need to like keep like embracing this and fostering this community uh you know we feel really fortunate that they go to the to the elementary school that they do right you know it's like a constant balancing act you guys ever heard of Gabber Mate yeah why do I psychologist who is who specializes in like child psychology and especially he talks a lot about trauma child children have and how trauma gets passed generation to generation. You can see this happening when in history of like over time like you know the like parents somehow like pass on that trauma multiple generations. I will not pass on the chel trauma to my kids. You that you pass on some other version of it. Right. Well, that's the thing until well like being colonized for example is passed on to us even though we haven't haven't lived through it. Yeah. I mean He his parents were like Holocaust survivors. It's just some really deep and interesting stuff. And I think that's interesting for us because obviously like we grew up in like the 91 post 911 era and like some weird trauma and I'm like hey how do I make sure that doesn't get passed on um in a way that you know becomes a burden or a baggage or like colors their perspective. Well, I I almost feel like uh it's like let's embrace that versus like trying to brush it under the rug because I think our parents or at least my parents were very much like you know like you know it's like oh just ignore that. Yeah. Yeah. Or like whatever just like trying to like kind of dismiss these things and like you know now we're in a new world or we're in a new environment like you know we're okay. Yeah. But I think it that's what I I think like give them the tools to like deal with it so that they don't deal with it as poorly as we probably did, right? Like Yeah. Versus Yeah. Which which is probably what the our version of passing down the trauma would be like just don't deal with it and like don't address it and then all right that just keeps going unressed over and over again. Yeah. Okay. So what I'm hearing is like be vulnerable enough to share your fears with your kids maybe in some respect not the full thing. give them tools so that they can deal with it and internalize it as you know from their perspective and then this way they're not dealing with generational fear or generational trauma. Yeah. You know what's interesting as we're talking about this on the other hand like my mom was very upfront about things she was scared of. Right. I felt very comfortable like going and talking to her about my fears. Right. And that might just be a a a son and mother relationship versus a son and father or in general, you know, fathers and mothers in in traditional Pakistani households. But certainly I think there was a big part of it like her ability to show vulnerability made her much more accessible to me too as a child and forever actually like through my life. So hopefully the way I see it, I hope to be able to to be that for my my kids versus not. Yeah. anything you're working on these days to overcome existing fears or generational fears, traumas that you know have been passed down. I think more than anything is just like being uh healthy when it comes to mental well-being, you know, and how to how to cope, how to deal with stress, deal with, you know, things that are going to create anxiety or manage, you know, these kind of family related or relationship related fears that we have or just simply asking for help, right? So, you know, I know like my dad growing up, I always view, you know, always view him and still view him as like, you know, the Superman, you know, no, you know, nothing can touch him. But I think in some ways that also isn't fair to that person because then they're not able to like deal with that fear or trauma at all ever. And I think, you know, for me, as I look at myself, one thing that I've been trying to be more intentional about is talking more about my emotions. Maybe it's not directly about like, you know, getting therapy on how to fix the thing, but at least just being open to talk about it. Like, hey, this is how this thing makes me feel. Um, so I've been trying to do that uh a lot more lately. I do find myself sharing things that I probably would not have even five or 10 years ago. Like things I've shared with you guys, right? Like things I'm dealing with or like going through. Yeah, that I guess I've reached a stage where I don't care what other people think. I'm more concerned with how do I fix the thing that's bothering me? And that's a different I think a lot of men don't know how to make that distinction. I think men get caught up in ego and like trying to appear bigger in different social settings, at home, etc. And that's I get it. That's survival in some ways. But I also think in order for you to grow, you need to be vulnerable and share those. One thing Yeah, I think you touched on which is happening for me is I feel like grow growing up my parents generation at least they're from Pakistan. So they had this like sense of community like massive community around them and I think I stopped valuing that as I was growing up here and now I've started to reval reevaluate that and started to value community and have bunch of people around me and bunch of circles of folks and I really appreciate like having small groups of folks that I can be very vulnerable with and like share and I'm finding that we're not alone like there's most of us are going through a lot of challenges and emotions and different ways and fears. So that's been really interesting to explore with. It's funny how this happens like Sorry. No, no, please cut me off and go ahead. Perfect. So let me jump in. Uh I think like since you're a kid till you're like in college, you're actually really talking to a lot of people about personal stuff in this like really casual fluid way, right? like in college like you share [ย __ย ] that like you know like looking back on it it it was deeply personal and you're just like kind of living through it with people and sharing with people and then you kind of hit this like I don't know wall somewhere in your mid20s you kind of really close off essentially close off and you want to kind of control your own narrative more maybe it's related to career stuff maybe it's because may I don't know maybe there's something biological there it's some sort of general defense mechanism I don't But most people I think get stuck in that. I'm not sure if it's that or like I think you also find love in your life and you have this partner that you really cherish that relationship. You go very very deep with that person for that time being. So they kind of like become that rock place. That was that was a great ca nice work that I completely 100% agree. Good. You you better agree. I 100% agree. 100%. But I think a lot of people turning into their 40s are just getting increasingly like defense mechanism and isolated and stuff. So I I agree. I think just talking helps. So I appreciate you. Yeah. Wow. Thank you. I appreciate you too. I do have a question though. Like I think there's one other fear that we didn't talk about. Oh, please. Fear of failure. So it keeps me up at night all every single day. My biggest fear for for a very long time is that I just wouldn't live up to my name, to my family's reputation, to like and it's something funny. I never heard your name before like Yeah, you hadn't two years ago. Okay. I didn't realize the whole jerk. What a jerk. The whole enterprise that um No, it's been something I I carry that's it's a little bit Where does the pressure come from? Do you think it comes from yourself, from family, parents, something else? I think it's a mix of a bunch of things, but like late It's so funny because you're an entrepreneur and entrepreneurs like live with failure. Failure is like So I'm not scared to fail. There's like fear of like immediate failure of like doing something right that like that I have no fear of, right? Like I go try I've tried so many different things. I failed at a whole You've heard your jokes for one. You've heard my jokes. You've seen my friends. Goodness, bad choices there. But then there's just like this fear of not living up to what I had envisioned of myself and that is the fear that fear of failure is is the driving factor and like have you negotiated with yourself over the years on what that means like what what success means and I guess what failure mean yeah what failure means it's a good question um I haven't but I think I've started to like in the last year like hey what does this Why are we so caught up and like uptight about this thing? Um, and is there wiggle room? Success metrics have changed significantly over the last like 5 to 10 years, especially the last 5 years, like in terms of what was, you know, completely driven by money and career stuff versus, you know, what's now driven more by family stuff. Wow, that was a lot. I didn't realize this was a therapy session, but Okay, that was good. See that? I told you I don't need therapist because Yeah, you don't need therapist. like you in my life. It's interesting and I don't want to take away from the science of therapy, but I I do feel like if you're in the right group or circle of friends and family, I think you can probably stave off a lot of like the therapy and stuff. Um yeah, but you know, some people really genuinely need it, benefit from it. 100%. So yeah, nothing nothing taking there, but yeah, not taking away from it. Um, I'd encourage people to explore it if they haven't. For sure. Like I I've gone to therapy. Yeah. And I'm still like this, but yeah, I've gone to therapy because work. All right. On on on a lighter lighter moment, um, what are some dumb things that you've been scared of or fearful of as a parent? Oh, as a parent. Dang. I was going to say as a kid. Okay. I think I'm scared of my kids. Like they go to school, get sick, and then like everybody in everybody gets there. I don't remember getting sick and then infecting my entire household when I was younger, but I I don't know, maybe that's selective memory. Probably our parents have better immunity, too. Like they're stronger than they are. Any irrational superstitions that stem from like fear or otherwise? I have a fear I have to share with you guys. Every now and then like some like discovery happens that like changes the trajectory of human history. For example, us figuring out the world is flat or whatever. I think that that's a big like physics moment. Are you saying that we think the world is flat? You think the world is flat or like or not flat anymore? You know, like up. Wait, is the earth round laid out like a carpet? This is all right. That's a bad reference. I shouldn't do that. I got banned by mom. Okay. Where where you going with this flat? So, I'm going with this is freaking flat earth. I can't They're everywhere. Casually dropped the flat earth. My biggest fears. Look, I I'm just going to say this. The earth is round. Science is real. So, two two out of three of us definitely believe in that. One of my biggest fears is that we're going to figure out how to live forever just technologically.
After I die, like I would have missed it by like the slightest of margin. Yeah. And I feel like And you want to live forever. I feel like I would have that choice. I don't know if I will pull the trigger on it or not, but I think it'd be interesting to Well, my fear is that you now want to live forever. So, that that is my fear. That is my fear. And that that that is my fear. That's uh where where we'll close it off. You can find us on Nonsense Show on Instagram. Make sure to smash that like button. I think that's what's said these days, but smash that like button. follow, subscribe. I want to give a big shout out to my co-hosts, Sajid and Emad. Thanks for a lovely conversation and uh our person behind the scenes who gets uh you don't get to see but is very much part of this podcast. Uh Sman, thank you very much for for doing everything that you do. Thank you, Son. Until next time, nonsensors, we'll bring the next episode. See you. See you. Thank you. I like nonsense. Nicely done. [Music]