[00:00:00] Lynne: Welcome to Frankly Speaking with Lynne Franks and Friends. I am Lynn Frank show hosts. And this week I sat down with the very talented Sadie Frost, Sadie's a producer, an actor, a fashion designer, an author, and now features film director.
[00:00:26] We discussed her documentary film Quant which I selected as our film of choice for our International Women's Day celebrations at the Seed Hub. We talked about her multifaceted career and how she has found balance through spiritual practices and staying still.
[00:00:44] Today I'm in conversation with Sadie Frost, who I feel I know really well, but in fact, unusually first this podcast I have never met. So thank you so much Sadie for being here. And the connection of you being here of course, is that you've just directed this fantastic documentary quant about very qual, which we are showing as our special event for international women's day. So thank, thanks. Thank you. So, because we don't know each other, although we record, we pass each other at various places, probably on the dance floor, as well as various women's conferences, I've done a lot more research than I normally would. And I just realized this, I was doing it and I suppose the same thing. Applies to me. And a lot of other women we know is that we have so many personas because you know, you've got your bio, your where on Wikipedia, where we've got all the rubbish it's on Google, then our personal backstory, then our relationship with the people that we actually care and love, which has got nothing to do with anything else.
[00:01:41] And you have got an amazing story. I mean, nevermind a documentary about Mary Quant you make a documentary it's extraordinary, your career, your life. Everything. I'm really blown. So if I asked you right away, if I asked you how to describe yourself, how would you describe yourself?
[00:01:59] Sadie: God it's, I mean, I I've done many things. I've been involved in RainDance quite a lot, RainDance, the academy film, school festival and, and Elliot Grove who's like the head of rain dance called me a media mogul. And I thought that was quite a good title. Cause he was like, you know, media mogul. Cause you're an actor, you're a producer, you're a writer, you're a director. You're a journal that you write. And you know, I was like, okay, all right. And, you know, for me as well as all of that stuff, and all those different careers, I'm also into my kind of gogi, um, holistic, studied like massage and to be a yoga teacher training, to be a yoga teacher.
[00:02:37] And,
[00:02:37] Lynne: You are training to be as a teacher as well, or you did that already.
[00:02:41] Sadie: I've done that. So I kind of just done all these things. I'm very, um, I find it very difficult to sit still and I mean, and do, do not much. So I'm kind of constantly going back to kind of school and doing another I and a few years ago in film production. And I just like keeping busy. I think it's, um, I, I get very excited by different ventures, so I do a lot of things.
[00:03:04] Lynne: And you're a fashion entrepreneur. Let's not forget that that's a whole nother thing.
[00:03:07] Sadie: Um, now I'm yeah, I've got my yoga brand, which is called cross body. And I'd had before frost, French with my best friend Jemima. So yeah, there's been lots of different bits and pieces.
[00:03:19] Lynne: Do you kind of follow your intuition? Do you, is there a plan of action in advance or do you just kind of go with the flow?
[00:03:24] Sadie: I think I go with the flow and what's being offered to me. And, you know, I might be thinking I'm going to be doing something within film, like producing, and then I might get offered an acting role. And then, you know, and things just always seem to work out, um, sometimes worrying about like the future and what I'm going to be doing and what this stage of my life is going to be. But then, you know, the different opportunities come at different times and then they just seem to happen. And it all falls into place. There's no point in worrying about, will I be able to do this and what happens if I'm directing that? And, you know, but it all kind of works out in the end. And, um, yeah, so I go with my intuition and just let things happen.
[00:04:00] Lynne: I mean, I do say, I say of course, all the time that women are capable of multitasking far more than men, because you brought up four kids. I mean, More or less as a single mom. And, um, you're juggling that and you had a big social life, which we've all heard about and read about, and the fact that you were married to high profile men at different times during their careers, and you had your own ups and downs as well which, you know, I'd love to talk about, because I think it's really inspiring for other women not to look at what's in the paper and see a pretty picture of you with a big smile with glamorous people. I'm thinking when it's all right for her, because you've had, you've had ups and downs after your children were born. You had certain depressions from things that happened to you. So do you wanna talk a bit about that?
[00:04:44] Sadie: You know, life is life and it doesn't matter like what you have materially or you know, who you're married you, whatever. And, you know, I was brought up in, um, you know, I came from like very Bohemian family and it was very, um, unstructured. And my mum had me when she was 16 and we lived all over the place. And I lived in a bar on a bus for quite a while when I was a kid. And, and then, um, my father was, um, a paranoid schizophrenic who had, um, had a drug problem, which in the end he died from hep C.
[00:05:13] And, um, I think growing up with like in an environment where you were the depressive parent, it was always something that, you know, was hugely, well it was terrifying to me to see mental health and you know, how, and it was on my doorstop step in my house. I was overly sensitive, very. Hi, hyper-aware and, and could be depressive myself and obsessive. And, you know, I think growing up with alcoholic parents or whatever, you can create your own kind of, um, isms and illnesses yourself. So, um, when I actually had my children, I've got postnatal depression. I don't know if it was like a ticking bomb that was always going to be there. But the hormones, um, combined with whatever was happening with, with the kind of chemicals in my brain. Just created a huge kind of, um, pendulum of kind of just depression and highs and lows. And, and, but the thing for me was, um, I always talked about it. I was always, I had very good friends that really steered me through it. And, and if anything, it was a really good thing to have gone through because it really made me understand like the human beings and to really be compassionate and to think about other people because human beings can be an incredibly selfish. And for me, it is all about realizing that all of the external things don't really matter, and it is what's going on with someone internally. And, um, and being able to kind of read that in people and share that if you have it, and just be there for like your family and friends, I think, I think we all kind of sometimes are so busy and rushing around and thinking that this kind of, you know this fast kind of pace life is so exciting, but actually what's the most rewarding things are just like so close to you. Like I'm really loving, spending more time with my mom, you know, the really simple, small things matter to me right now. And I think there was years when I went off on a tangent thinking, you know, living this life where you're not really in control of it. And I think to be in control of your own. Is amazing. And then you can with the meditation and with the belief and hope you can kind of really enjoy whatever you're doing in whatever situation you're in.
[00:07:19] Lynne: Yeah, I was going to ask you about your spiritual beliefs. I might, my father was a depressive. My father was bipolar, so I understand exactly what you mean by that. And he grew up in a household where his father was an alcoholic and they do say it goes through generations. And my mother had to be the strong one. And I think, you know, there's no question about it. We get affected by obviously by our upbringings and then we try and learn from those not to bring those into our own children's lives, which is the best thing we can do.
[00:07:45] And I was always busy, busy. I mean, a lot of what you're saying resonates for me very deeply. And in my, uh, time, when I was in my thirties, I turned to Buddhism because I felt like. Crushing down into a heap. So through the practice of which was a day is a daily practice. Cause I do it again now of chanting every day. It gives me that grounding and the structure to kind of go through everything else. So do you have a spiritual practice that you obviously, you meditate?
[00:08:11] Sadie: Yeah. I mean, I kind of I do the Vipassana every day, which is a form of kind of a Buddhist meditation, you know, I do a lot of, um, praying, I'm a member of something called Alanon, which has always been great for me, which is I went, I started going when I was about 16, um, which is when you've been. It's for me, it was, I went from being brought up in with an alcoholic parent, um, and I was very controlling and very obsessive. So it just helps me to hand things over because I can get so caught up in the craziest things and thinking that actually isn't reality. So you book, so by, at doing Alanon, which is a spiritual program, the me, but I do many things in many different types of meditation. And you know, keeping myself physically fit is very important to me from yoga to Palacios. I just came back now from a trapeze lessons. I'm always doing something different. And, um, I think those things drive me and make me feel alive. And just being able to sit with yourself and do nothing is important as well. So it's getting the mixture of, uh, of, of kind of. Getting out there and not feeling, I guess we've all gone through like a huge isolation, which I found very difficult. But also getting out there, but also being able to sit with yourself and feel happy with who you are.
[00:09:26] Lynne: Yeah, but she's also very interesting as far as the reflection on the way I've been feeling about things. Cause I was always getting on a plane every five minutes I had, my main home was in Majorca and dare I be going all over the world and I have just sat still for the last two and a half years. I haven't even been to London and, um, Just staying still, even at this point in my life has been quite an experience, which in many ways is for a lot of benefits, such as being with my dogs and being in my home and feeling it and being with a close group of friends around here and with the help obviously of technology. So I've been able to communicate more uh, in many ways with friends all over the world than I did when I was rushing all over the place, which is ironic. But it's kind of brought us to a strange place. Now we're kind of hybrid life. I don't know if you're online as much as I am, but it is this sort of hybrid of, of getting back into being with people in the real world, which is why I'm so excited about showing Quant. So, this is your first directing a movie documentary. What made you choose Mary Quant or did she, did she or the project choose you? How did it work?
[00:10:29] Sadie: It was a bit of both. I think, um, I've been producing different projects for a while and I've been working in this company called Goldfinch and the CEO is, um, Kirstie Bell. And she'd been approached to do the story about Mary Quant, the documentary, and me and her had worked together on other things. And she came to me and she said, you know, I really think you could be, you could direct this. And I. I just didn't think it would ever happen or didn't think it was possible. And it, I really felt like it was a huge task to go from producing to directing on a feature length project. But I said, I would think about it and I went away and kind of wrote the idea of what I thought we should be and my wishlist, and went away and Did a documentary filmmaking course, and from that, you know, it all just happened. It all got put together and it got financed. People were really involved and really supportive. And, um, then the pan, you know, we started putting it together in the pandemic. It happened. So it was hard to film everyone I wanted. And it was, I had to work, twice as hard to get anything that I wanted, but, I made compromises and I was flexible and, I, It was sometimes limiting with the filming. I got longer in the edit suite, so I got like a year to edit with my amazing editor. And then, it really came together at the end very quick because I didn't think we'd have the money to finance it. And then I entered it into the London film festival and it got in and then we had to finish it. I said to the producers, you really do have to find the money to finish this now because it's in the London Film Festival.
[00:12:03] And, you know, I think being a woman directing a project about women and, the main kind of objective of the documentary and creating this portrait of her, it was liberating. And I kind of had a female editor. I had a female producer, it was about a woman it's directed by a woman. And it was just very exciting to kind of pull this whole thing together. And I felt like I understood Mary, I think.
[00:12:26] Lynne: Did you get to meet her? Cause she's not very well now is she.
[00:12:29] Sadie: she's not very well. And there was, um, With her son, Rolando very well. And we, we did discuss it and then COVID happened. So, it was put on hold and then, you know, she's 92, 93, you know, I, I think she's just so, being that age, it wasn't the right thing for me to go and meet her and talk to her about. It's documented too, but she saw it and she seen the trailer and her son came along to the premier and her grandchildren. And, uh apparently she, she likes it a lot And is very happy. Um, but I felt like I really understood and got to know her and spending so much time talking about her and hearing other people talked about her and also the editing suite creating a story. I just felt like, um, yeah, I was completely inside her head and I began to start talking like her, which is quite weird in the end.
[00:13:19] Lynne: And of course we're showing Quant, which I'm so thrilled about, uh, for our International Women's Day, special kickoff evening. We've got, uh, six days of celebrations down in my little town of Wincanton in Somerset. We've got all sorts of things going on. And, uh, we have Wendy dag worthy, who is a, a great friend of mine who of course was head of the Royal college of art. I met Mary because Mary used to come in as an external, I dunno what they had. She had some title at the Royal college of arts, so she'd be coming, working with the students. And, um, uh, we have virtually sold out. I had announced a few days ago. Well, you don't have a huge space here, but uh, everybody's like you showing Quant, I'm coming, I'm coming. So it's such a good vibe out about it. This.
[00:13:59] Sadie: wish I could come down, but I have like my first trip far away in quite a few years. So I'm going to be the other side of the world, but I, um, yeah, we did a Q and a down in Hastings and it, I mean, it was sold out. I mean, so many of these Q and A's and screenings have been sold out and it's amazing like people from like 19 to 90 coming.
[00:14:22] Lynne: Yeah. Oh, it's the same hair. And as I mentioned, I'm going to be showing it to a group of 14 year old school girls who I mentored down here who are really excited about seeing it as well, which is, which is, which is great.
[00:14:34] So one of the things that I know. On your bio. Um, is that when you did your MBA, that you talked about, you specialize, your thesis was about, does filmmaking, does it get affected your career in filmmaking? If you were a mother, if you're bringing up children and I suppose as a woman, generally. What, what's the, uh, conclusion that you came to when you were looking at that?
[00:14:54] Sadie: What was interesting was, um, different women thought different things. So I spent a lot of time talking to very prominent female producers, like Rebecca O'Brian, Sarah Radcliffe and, um, and a couple of others and what, and what some women were like absolutely. And some were absolutely not. What I feel. And from my own experience of being in the industry for 40 years and meeting so many different women, being actors to produce a Starbucks or whatever it really does affect your career.
[00:15:24] I think having one child maybe. Doesn't affect it so much, having two or three or four children, you never get the momentum to go back. And I mean, even when I did, I had a baby, I was doing films when I was like 19 20, 21. I had a big film out with Gabriel Byrne and I'd had a baby. And I remember the casting director saying I was 24 years old. The whole conclusion was, nope, she's passed it. She's had a child she's, you know, she's never going to get a role. I mean, they literally said things like that. And then I went, I went and auditioned for Dracula in America, didn't tell Francis Ford Coppola I had a baby. I remember like recreating myself completely. He didn't know anything about me and hadn't, and you know, and I got that rolled down to me doing the audition and what, what he saw in the audition.
[00:16:14] Um, and then that just seemed to happen every time I had a, had a year or two off to have a baby and be a good mom, go back. Even though I was working hard, whether I'm studying or doing an ma or whatever. People would write me off and I had to fight that much harder. And I ha I've seen it with lots of, you know, first time, like there's a lot of thesis and papers on women that have one baby, two women that have two babies to, so a lot of directors, female directors might direct one film or two films and they have one child and then the more children have they just drop off.
[00:16:47] Lynne: Did you, um, talk to Alison Owen at all in this cause she's a great friend of mine who actually I've done a podcast with as well. And of course she became a producer and was juggling three small children and was a single mum for much of that time. I'm sure she
[00:17:00] Sadie: Yeah. I mean, I think we crossed paths in America, but no, I didn't speak to her. I should have done, but I think, you know, I just, I've just seen so many, um, women's careers, them find it very hard after they've had three children.
[00:17:12] Lynne: Oh, yeah, no, it is. It's terribly hard. I mean, when I looked like I only had two children, but you know, I had to have a whole support team and I didn't even get stopped working when I was giving birth hardly, which made me quite ill, the stupid thing to do, and my children who I adore and I've got seven grandchildren now haven't really forgiven me for not being around in the crucial years, which you obviously did do so, um, you know, that was the times.
[00:17:34] Sadie: I think you miss a lot and it's getting that balance of, um, you know, having a good relationship. The kids am working. I felt like I kind of managed to juggle it pretty well. I CA I kept my foot in, but, but not too in, but it definitely affected a lot of things in my career, but I kind of feel that it all worked out right and I don't have any resentments. I didn't do this and I didn't do that. And I do see the industry is being quite kind of, um, sycophantic and, um, you know, trivial compared to what sometimes they want in the real world. And, you know, family life, like your children are important, but they were things I missed my sports days now, and again, and I couldn't be there the whole time, but I think you know, like, I, I got a good balance, but it's hard if you're a single mom, I think definitely doing all this stuff. Um, you have to work, you know, I always said it's like having four children and having a career and, you know, my career is like two or three jobs know, I'm running a
[00:18:34] Lynne: Your career alone is enough for most people. Nevermind that
[00:18:38] Sadie: Yeah. And I'm just feeling, and I'm just trying to kind of like balance out, you know, like, okay, got to keep this going, gotta keep that going. Okay. And my brain, because of that, it has to kind of operate very quickly and fast and pick things up and put them down. And it was interesting cause like sometimes get quite stressed with the kind of producing side and the finance side and the money side to the creative side. And this film, I just directed, I really loved the creative side
[00:19:02] Lynne: Left and right brain. Isn't it? I mean,
[00:19:05] Sadie: And I was finding, why am I getting this thing where I feel like my brain is constantly like having a fight with its self and the pressure. And then someone just said to me last week, and it all made sense. You're switching from your left brain to your right brain, like constantly. And that is when, when you're getting that complete, your brain just feels like it's going to explode. So that's why I'm going away.
[00:19:25] Lynne: And you go, you're going to do meditation and yoga in India?
[00:19:29] Sadie: Yeah, meditation, yoga and kind of any kind of,
[00:19:33] Lynne: Anything going, that's going to make you feel chilled out.
[00:19:35] Sadie: Bring it on, bring it on. But I, um, I just want to not do any, I just want to do the creative and I've got a script to finish and, just completing, all the paperwork on, on, um, next documentary that I'm directing, which is about another female icon, which I can't let you know now, but it's, you know, we'll be announcing it very soon. So I want to go away and just get submerged myself into.
[00:19:57] Lynne: Yeah, I was going to ask you what, what you're doing next. So where do you see from a career point of view, your focus? Is it going to be directing feature films or or producing?
[00:20:09] Sadie: So I mean, what I'm really looking forward to is directing this next documentary and there's another fashion one that I've been writing and setting up as well. So I've got two fast, two different fashion documentaries, and then I've got a kind of thriller feature-length film I've written that I want to direct as well. So there's about three or four projects I want to direct. And there's a couple of producing projects. And then I really do want to say I'm coming out the other side. Because I keep saying. I want to come out this other side and spend more time. I want to go and, you know, spend some time in new Yorker in the mountains, you know, near day and things like that. But what happens is every time I get the opportunity, I'll take another job, but I do at some point, want to do to live that kind of life and have a bit of time out.
[00:20:50] Lynne: And what's, what's driving you. What does drive you? Is it to do with your childhood, your upbringing, that instability, which means that you're constantly pushing on for, or what is you? Tell me?
[00:21:00] Sadie: I think I was ready to kind of, to ease things down a bit and, and spend a bit more time doing less. But then when I get an opportunity and an exciting opportunity, I just think I should take it because, I think with the success of Kwan and it's been really lovely how people have, um, given me? opportunities and wanting to talk to me, you know, whether other, um, film companies or streaming platforms, I feel like I should take those opportunities. Cause I might, if I said no, and then in two years, I won't get this opportunity again.
[00:21:32] Lynne: And do you have time for a personal life still or?
[00:21:35] Sadie: Yeah, I mean, I, it's very different, isn't it? I, I sometimes get, you know, the kids, half of my kids have left home. Some of them are in, that was in the house, um, just about, but I feel that I get quite lonely in the sense that we don't have the big Sunday lunches and we don't have all this stuff at the time.
[00:21:51] And, and that's really affected me. And then, um, I became single in August and, um, I've been in a relationship for 10 years. That was a bit of a shock as well, because it's, you know, it was my decision and I wanted to be on my own and I feel like I've constantly compromise who I am for, for bringing up my kids or for the relationships I was in. But I also feel like it's a bit weird as well, because I'm like, okay, I'm on my own. And I'm eating dinner on my own. You can't, you know, the few times a week eating dinner on your own and not going out, like I'm suddenly feeling like, oh my God, I'm actually quite lonely. Um, so it's getting the balance of, of keeping the social life up,
[00:22:27] Lynne: I know what you mean. And I'm in the same thing. I mean, the one good thing is I have these bedrooms here, which I want to be a B, but I have friends coming to stay, but there are obviously evenings when it's me, the cat and the two dogs. And I'm sitting there having dinner and watching Netflix. So whatever and thinking, how did I end up like this, but after such a busy social life? And then there's other bits of me, which is, well, it's kind of good. Cause it gives me a bit of space and. Um, and I turned down social things quite a lot these days, because it's just, it's all too much,
[00:22:56] Sadie: And then it's exactly the same. I don't know what the compromise is. So it's getting the balance of having rewarding social life, where you, you know, like, I think sharing food and, you know, nice kind of conversation and wine and not, I mean, I don't want to go out out. I just want to like, engage with like-minded people, but.
[00:23:14] Lynne: Yeah, so I also have this cafe and a whole hub going. I think I've sort of created the place that I want, the sort of place I want to live in, but accidentally, totally intuitively no plan either, but I've got a cafe really beautiful cafe and, and I've got these bedrooms and I have these workshops here and so on. So that once a month we do a women's gathering where we have guest speakers. Perhaps you'll come down for That that would be great. Um, and they are absolutely sold out. We get like, I mean, it's not a lot of space, but it's, we have maybe 30 women and it's, it's become really important to get together. They meet each other, they've made new friends and then online, I've got a community as well, which just grows again for the same reason of women wanting community.
[00:23:55] And my, my theory. And it's smaller than the theory. My strong belief is that the future of the world has got to be about women taking their leadership roles, whether it's being in the entertainment industry or whether it's in community or wherever it is, and working with other women, creating change, the sort of change that we want, our children and our grandchildren to grow up in which we are not going to see if we're relying on the current systems, whether it be political or whether it be the media, the media mainstream media, or big companies, if we're expecting them to create a world that we want to live in. We're going to be vastly disappointed. So it's really up to women in small communities to really create the change and have the friendship groups and support each other.
[00:24:36] So whether, I mean, some of the women I work with and I hang out with a married and got part of some art is irrelevant almost. It's like, it's about the pod as I call it of the women's group, but you've got a friendship group that you've had for years. I'm sure you're still very close with.
[00:24:51] Sadie: Everybody goes off into their different, you know, some of my friends have moved to the courts or someone's moved to New York. Everybody that I know who will win, we will use to hang out a lot together has moved away from my area. There's not that many.
[00:25:03] Lynne: Yeah, it was the same for me in day. And my best friends in Australia and other friends in Canada is the same thing. It's a bit I'm of course, make Matthews who I've also interviewed here, which is a great, who I know is a great friend of yours. Uh she's in Caldwell now. I mean, people have spread out. So we just have to kind of, I guess, hang on.
[00:25:22] Sadie: And it gives what you're saying about getting in, community for me, you know, I am, I'll make an effort to it sounds a bit cliche go to a quiz night or go to ballet lessons I've been going to do is doing things outside my comfort zone because you, you know, it is easy to get isolated, but I've got a lot of good female friends. So, um, but they're just all over the place.
[00:25:42] Lynne: Yeah, no, I understand. So talking about my views of how the world can change. I ask all my guests When we come to near the end of our conversation, if you could create a vision for the world, it's a big question. I asked it of these 14 year olds the other day. I said, if you had a magic wand and you could do anything you wanted in the world, what would you do? And the question, the answers that came from that was just so inspiring for me. And it creates a world of equality. Safety enough food for everybody, but the actual practical ways of how we can make that half at all, some kind of ideas of what we might do together as a, as a collaborative world of women, what would you suggest?
[00:26:22] Sadie: Well, I mean, the thing to me that. It's been my biggest, decision of my life. And obviously it makes sense hugely now, as I've always been vegetarian, you know, I've never eaten meat or fish. I hate any kind of suffering, whether it's humans suffering or animal suffering. And I just feel like the way, um, you know, animals have been exploited the way the pan has been exploited. You know, if, if people actually weren't so greedy when it came to eating and the welfare of animals and, and what they consumed, I think that, you know, that would be a step and balancing things out. You know, I D I never understood how anyone can make something suffer. And I just think that would be a good start if the whole planet could respect themselves and animals. And if everybody learned to meditate and everyone learnt to pray, not if they're not, if they're not even praying to what they think is a god, but just pray to just like to, to create hope, we'd all be more positive. And I think it's so easy for, you know, things to get more, you know, um, negative, um, hateful and you know this whole kind of aggressive, hateful thing that human beings can have is just going way out of control and the kind of bullying and the negativity and the, I think it just starts with like, it starts in really small gestures. And I think if it just started there, if everyone just had to kind of spend a bit of time in the morning doing glass, you'd let less praying, caring for themselves and their neighbors and their family. We would all be a bit more respectful to everybody and to the rest of the planet.
[00:27:55] I just feel more than ever. Um, something that I really feel like is upsets me is this whole, you know, this, that the rich are getting so much richer and the poor are getting so much poorer. There's so many programs and news bulletins, and commercials about, you know, the poverty in the world And people not having places to live and people in, you know, in war zone areas and all the things that happened. I'm like, and then you have these crazy, crazy people who are just sitting on billions and billions of pounds and getting richer and richer and exploiting the whole planet. And.
[00:28:30] Lynne: And descending sending rockets off to other planets as
[00:28:33] Sadie: I mean, I just Don't understand it. And I, and I find it just really upsetting that we are, we are allowing not that we've got in some ways control and power, but we're allowing that to happen. And, and everyone needs to wake up to, to kind of. It has to be more balanced, has to be more equilibrium. There has to be, you know, a more positive planet. And, and at the moment, from what I see, I just see the negative side and I don't see anything changing. And I think people are getting more aggressive, more greedy, more ugly. Um, and, and, you know, I, I'm kind of losing hope
[00:29:11] Lynne: Don't lose hope. Hope was the one word that these 14 year olds came up with hope. And if they are the future, you know, that that's there. That is the age group. And if we can create some kind of hope, I'm also mentoring a young 20 year old woman who's in Pakistan who's Afghan. Her family, uh, have had to escape from Afghanistan, um, and they are currently in sort of no man's land at this center waiting for a visa. And just talking to this girl, she speaks five languages. She wants to study fashion. I waiting to go to the states because that's where her older sister is. And just talking to her about positivity with a whole family stuck in Pakistan. I mean, what they've been through the father was killed by the Taliban.
[00:29:52] I mean, there is a lot to change, but if we can keep the young people. Hopeful. And if we can be, I mean, obviously you're a lot younger than me, but if we can be in that wise woman role and hold the energy for the next generations to come, the seven generations to come, even as the, as the indigenous women say, we can make that happen. I, I, if I felt we couldn't, I don't know. I just give up today.
[00:30:17] Sadie: I think you're right. That's the way to look at. I just sometimes get quite negative and I've been finding it. I've been quite depressed by what I, you know, the last couple of years. And, um, but the thing is when I look at my, and all the young kind of children fit girls, And I just want to create positivity within them and, and, kind
[00:30:36] Lynne: And how, how old the space. That's why I believe we chose to be born now to be the wisdom keepers, hold that energy and hold that space. So the future generations can move in with hope and we can show them by our mistakes as much as anything, how they can create a different kind of world. So I hope you're really hope you'll come down here.
[00:30:55] I'll say. I'll send you an invite and we'll work on some ideas together and having you started off not knowing each other. Now, as we come to the end of Frankie Speaking, I do feel I am speaking to a friend and I really hope we will stay in touch. Have a fantastic time in India. Say hello to India for me. I I miss India.
[00:31:13] Sadie: But I will, and I hope your van goes well and everyone enjoys the film and I definitely will come down and see you.
[00:31:19] Lynne: Wonderful. Okay. Look forward to it. Have a great, great holiday and, uh, see you soon. Bye. Namaste.
[00:31:24] Sadie: Namaste.
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[00:31:28] Lynne: For our unique Seat exercise to go alongside this podcast, I'd like to talk about the importance of getting out of our comfort zone to do an action, which is going to help others, Sandy and I discussed how overwhelming the world can appear at times and how we can create change by starting with small gestures of kindness to ourselves and those in our community.
[00:31:53] So why not do a small, random act of kindness to Australia even just say hello to someone you see every day. And don't usually acknowledge let's reach out. Let's communicate, let's collaborate and let's connect.
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