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Deconstructed: Welcome to Deconstructed. I'm Ryan Grim. For this week's episode, I think we have a pretty cool innovation in the world of podcasting. So I did the narration for the audio version of my new book that comes out today called The Squad, [00:01:00] AOC, and the Hope of a Political Revolution. This shows producers, Laura Flynn and Jose Olivares, edited the first chapter of the audio book to bring in lots of outside sound.
So it's not just me reading. My guess is that in the future, this will be how good audiobooks get made. Of course, I also hope you pick up the hardcover today, because to me, that's still what a real book is. And it lets you mark it up and go back and find things in a way you just can't yet with audio.
What follows is built from an excerpt from the S. Q. U. A. D. audiobook, published by Macmillan Audio.
On April 30th, 2015, a clear spring day in Washington, D. C., Bernie Sanders shuffled out of the Capitol building to a waiting collection of microphones and a C SPAN camera. Despite his 25 years as the only Democratic Socialist serving in Congress, the U. S. Senator from [00:02:00] Vermont was far from a household name.
About a dozen reporters, and no other spectators, Being out here today, let me, uh, just make a brief comment and be happy to take a few questions. We don't have an endless amount of time. I've got to get back.
Uh, let me just say this. Uh, this country today, in my view, has more serious crises than at any time since the Great Depression of the 1930s. For most Americans, their reality is that they're working longer hours for lower wages, an inflation adjusted income. They're earning less money than they used to years ago.
Despite a huge increase in technology and productivity. So all over this country, I've been talking to people and they say, How does it [00:03:00] happen? I'm producing more, but I'm working longer hours for lower wages. My kid can't afford to go to college. I'm having a hard time affording health care. How does that happen?
While at exactly the same time. Ninety nine percent of all new income generated in this country is going to the top one percent.
These weren't just familiar themes coming from Sanders. They flowed straight from a left wing zeitgeist that had found its footing in the encampments of Occupy Wall Street in the fall of 2011. Less than four years earlier. Those protests against Wall Street continue to grow across the country today.
Here in New York, thousands of demonstrators descended on the financial district as big labor unions joined in. And many people down there asking the question, what are the people who helped create the jobs crisis doing to help the people out of work? The goal was simple. Shut down New York Stock Exchange.[00:04:00]
Targeted as the historical center of American capitalism, New York Stock Protestors say it symbolizes corporate greed and a system which only serves the wealthiest 1%.
Amid the rubble of the Obama administration's pivot to austerity. In the wake of the 2008 financial crisis tent cities had sprung up around the country, organized around the principle of the 99% against the 1%. Occupy was an effort to create the broadest possible we, and set it against a definable other in the super rich for decades.
Under the pressure of neoliberalism and the Reagan revolution, which smashed unions, suppressed wages, and challenged the very idea of the collective pursuit of a better world. The left had splintered into ever more discreet factions, pushing single issues under the umbrella of the Democratic Party.
Jesse Jackson, in 1984 and 1988, attempted to organize that energy into a rainbow [00:05:00] coalition, coming shockingly close to seizing the 1988 Democratic nomination and inspiring Sanders, who, for the first time, caucused as a Democrat. Leading the effort to deliver the almost all white state of Vermont to Jackson.
Dream of teachers who teach for life and not for living. Dream of doctors who are concerned more about public health than private wealth. Dream of lawyers more concerned about justice than a judgeship. Dream of preachers who are concerned more about prophecy than profiteering. Dream on the high road And again, the exciting thing about Jackson's campaign is that this is a guy who comes from the grassroots.
We say, well, this guy has never been a senator, he's never been a congressman or a mayor or a governor. That's right. But he has been in the streets. He has put his life on the line, fighting not only for the legal rights, the moral rights of black people, but of all working people. This guy has had the guts to be where the action is.[00:06:00]
Sanders, preparing for his 2016 presidential run, met with a team of progressive online fundraisers, one of whom guessed the senator might be able to raise 25 million throughout his campaign, a sum Sanders and the rest of the team thought preposterous. Sanders nodded to that pessimism at his opening press conference.
One of the hesitancies I had about deciding whether to run or not was obviously dealing with money. I'm not gonna get money from the Koch brothers, and I'm not gonna get money from billionaires. I'm gonna have to raise my campaign contributions to berniesanders. com, small individual contributions.
That's how I'm gonna do it. By the end of the day, his fundraising team was floored. The No Frills C Span Affair had netted the campaign 1. 5 million in the first 24 hours, exceeding their wildest expectations by several multiples. Something was happening out there.[00:07:00]
Sanders started off polling at about 15%, but as the campaign went on Increasingly enthusiastic crowds followed him everywhere he went. People started to feel the burn, a phrase conjured up by Occupy organizer Winnie Wong. Who had converted her operation to draft Elizabeth Warren to run for president into People for Bernie.
Phoenix, are you ready for a political revolution?
Are you tired of a handful of billionaires running our economy?
By the fall of 2015. Hillary Clinton's campaign staff were growing concerned about the momentum behind Sanders. His crowd sizes were exploding, his poll numbers were rising, and even if he didn't yet represent a threat that might snatch away the nomination, a drawn out fight, [00:08:00] the campaign was concerned, would drag them down in the general election.
In early October, Clinton agreed to appear on Saturday Night Live. I guess I should, uh, get going, but this has been so nice. You are really easy to talk to, Val. Oh, thanks. You know, that's the first time I've ever heard that. Oh, Val. Oh, Val. I wish you could be president. Me too!
That weekend Her campaign's top brass huddled to debate how to respond to the accusation made by Sanders that Clinton was too cozy with Wall Street. As some of you know, she has given a number of speeches behind closed doors to Wall Street. In fact, she has, she has been paid 225, 000 per speech. Now I kind of think, I kind of think If you're going to be, if you're going to be paid 225, [00:09:00] 000 for a speech, it must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech, which you would want to share with the American people, right?
Another key question, which the campaign had grappled with in the previously unreported internal debate, was whether to come out publicly in favor of restoring what was known as Glass Steagall, the Depression era law that barred big commercial banks from gambling with their depositors money. The Bill Clinton administration had infamously repealed the law as part of a wave of Wall Street deregulation, and it was being apportioned a considerable blame for the 2008 financial crisis that was still dragging down the economy.
Some on the Hillary Clinton campaign raised policy objections, wondering about the unintended consequences of breaking up such large institutions. Others argued that the move would backfire because it would come off as patently inauthentic pandering. But the third objection was the deciding one. Voters [00:10:00] who were motivated by Wall Street corruption were going to vote for Bernie Sanders no matter what.
The persuadable voters who would decide the election, the Clinton campaign determined, were more likely to vote on cultural and social issues. How to go on offense with those issues. Was the question we have to heal the divides in our country, not just on guns, but on race, immigration and more. So let's put ourselves in the shoes of young black and Latino men and women who face the effects of systemic racism and are made to feel like their lives are disposable.
What's, what's something that you always carry with you? Hot sauce. Really? Yeah. Really? Are you getting information right now? Hot sauce. Hot sauce in my bag swag? Hot sauce. Really? Yes. Now listen, I want you to know, people are going to see this and say, okay, she's [00:11:00] pandering to black people. Okay. Is it working?
Still, a little bit of pandering was in order. So the campaign decided that Clinton would come out for strengthening the Volcker rule. A milder reform than reinstating Glass Steagall, and she did so later that week. Coming into the Iowa caucuses in early 2016, Sanders had climbed his way into a tie in the statewide polls, and Clinton emerged from the messy caucus, replete with contested coin tosses and rampant challenges.
With a narrow two delegate victory. The first woman ever to win the Iowa caucuses did it by two tenths of one percent. Senator Sanders, are you conceding the race in Iowa? Last that I saw is we were four delegates down. As I understand it, there were some precincts actually where Delegates were won with a flip of the coin.
So we want to take a look at that. New Hampshire, home [00:12:00] turf for Sanders, was next on February 9th, and the Clinton team decided to try to weaponize Sanders enthusiastic young supporters against him, a bid to win over those voters Sanders team hoped would be swayed on cultural issues. Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook and communications director Brian Fallon Appeared at a Bloomberg Politics breakfast with reporters and first laid out the charge, with Fallon jumping in to warn Sanders against demeaning and insulting language.
The problem, Fallon said,
Distinct from the candidate and the campaign proper, there is a support base for Senator Sanders candidacy that has been shorthanded as the so called Bernie Bros. Um, anyone who, um, engages in social media in support of Hillary Clinton has encountered this element. It can be nasty, it can be vitriolic, [00:13:00] and, um, I think that the Sanders campaign needs to beware of the The extent to which, in an effort to mobilize and galvanize their supporters, they start to let the mentality or the crudeness, uh, seep into their own words and criticisms that they hurl at Secretary Clinton.
Sanders himself, Fallon said, was egging those supporters on. Senator Sanders is a very skilled and deft politician, despite efforts to hone and cultivate an image to the contrary. And he knows what he is doing when he does these little hip checks. He's injecting something into a conversation and trying to inspire a three or four day conversation that he knows.
Um, would be bothersome. It was the first entry into the official record, so to speak, of the term Bernie Bros. At the time, the head of [00:14:00] the Department of Labor was Tom Perez, known as the administration's most progressive cabinet secretary. The next year, he'd win a race, with Obama's backing, to become chair of the Democratic National Committee.
For now, he was dispatched to both New Hampshire and Nevada. To get the lay of the land, the day after Fallon's remarks, February 5th, Perez reported to Clinton campaign chair John Podesta that the Bernie Bro Insight could be taken a step further and wielded in the party's internal culture war. The Sanders message was resonating, Perez argued, particularly among young people whose futures were collapsing in front of their faces.
Republican operative Karl Rove had pioneered the strategy of turning a candidate's greatest strength Into his greatest weakness, and Perez proposed doing the same to Sanders. I think Nevada is the firewall on a number of levels. He wrote to Podesta in an email later obtained and published by WikiLeaks.
While Clinton couldn't undermine Sanders message, she could [00:15:00] transform who people understood to be the messengers and the audience. Nevada was an opportunity. Perez said, for Clinton to do well in caucuses. That included a significant number of minority voters, black, Asian, American, and Latino. Of all ages, and that meant doing well with young minority voters.
When we do well there, then the narrative changes from Bernie kicks ass among young voters to Bernie does well only among young white liberals. That is a different story and a perfect lead in to South Carolina where, once again, we can work to attract young voters of color, he suggested. Sanders strength was that he had people, lots of them, and they were passionate enough to volunteer, to contribute to the campaign, and to otherwise evangelize the political revolution.
If you want to stop feeling sick and tired and start feeling better, then join me and others in working to elect a president who is not beholden to [00:16:00] Wall Street. I'm talking about Bernie Sanders.
Tonight really is a historical night and all of us are part of making history. To the best of our knowledge, there has never been a political online organizing effort this early in a campaign which involved over 100, 000 people in 3, 500 locations in every state. In the United States of America, that's pretty impressive.
And I thank you all very much for making it happen. The goal then was to turn those people into a liability. Flagging the Bernie Bros as obnoxious, privileged young white men was the easiest way to do it. Sanders support among young people by that time cut across race and gender, but it wasn't hard to find young, white, obnoxious men who backed him to elevate them publicly and then to condemn them and the Sanders campaign together.
[00:17:00] In a riveting New Hampshire debate, Clinton took her first serious shot at fending off Sanders charge that she was the candidate of the moneyed elite and that the support her campaign had from big money donors and the speaking fees she personally took from companies like Goldman Sachs might have some corrupting influence.
And I really don't think these kinds of attacks by insinuation are worthy of you. And enough is enough. If you've got something to say, say it, directly. But you will not find that I ever changed a view or a vote because of any donation that I ever received. And I have stood up for the best of my out of
that. So I think it's time to end the very artful Smear that you and your campaign have been carrying out in recent weeks. And let's talk, let's talk about Sanders refused to call Clinton personally corrupt, but he laid the [00:18:00] point out clearly. Drug companies could raise prices at will because they had bought power in Washington.
Oil companies could block climate change legislation for the same reason, also true at the banks and so on.
There is a reason why these people are putting huge amounts of money into our political system. And in my view, it is undermining American democracy and it is allowing Congress to represent wealthy campaign contributors and not the working families of this country. In 2008, Hillary Clinton had pulled off a remarkable comeback against Barack Obama, winning the New Hampshire primary and giving life to her campaign.
I felt like we all spoke from our hearts and I am so gratified that you responded. Now [00:19:00] together, let's give America a chance. The kind of comeback that New Hampshire has just given me. It wasn't to be in 2016. Sanders carried the state by 22 points and, over the next day, had brought in a staggering 6 million plus haul.
We are waiting to hear from our decision desk in the control room to see if we have news, and here is the first news of the evening. We are projecting that when all the votes are counted, Bernie Sanders will, as expected,
All of a sudden, the Nevada caucuses mattered. For much of the campaign, Clinton had been dismissing Sanders as a quote, single issue candidate. But at a rally in Henderson, Nevada. On February 13th, 2016, a week before the caucuses, she tightened her pitch. It wasn't just that Sanders backers were problematic Clinton Warren [00:20:00] voters, but his platform was too, because it didn't directly confront racism and sexism.
Everything is about an economic theory, right? If we broke up the big banks tomorrow, and I will, if they deserve it, if they pose any systemic risks, I will. Would that end racism? Would that end sexism? Would that end discrimination against the LGBT community? Would that make people feel more welcoming to immigrants overnight?
Would that solve our problem with voting rights and Republicans who are trying to strip them away? Two months later, Rolling Stone described it as The line that may have won Hillary Clinton the nomination. I will be the candidate who will take on every barrier to progress. I will be the candidate who has a record to Sanders, of course, could have countered that, for instance, breaking up the big banks and enforcing civil rights laws [00:21:00] against them.
would indeed be a blow to systemic racism. Redlining, after all, had been enforced and implemented by the banks. The response would have been an example of what became known as the race class narrative, an effort by progressive strategists to speak to people's material concerns without overlooking, and indeed, by fully incorporating a critique of systemic racism, or Sanders could have noted that unchecked concentrations of capital were a threat to democracy, or that he had been supportive of trans rights as the mayor of Burlington in the 1980s and had been far ahead of his peers when it came to what were then called gay and lesbian rights.
You said something about homos in the military. Was the gentleman referring to the many thousands and thousands of gay people who have put their lives on the line in countless wars defending this country? Was that the group of people that the gentleman was referring to? I'm talking about the military people in the military do not support the current bill.
[00:22:00] That's not what we were talking about. You used the word homos in the military. You have insulted thousands. of men and women who have put their lives on the line. I'm talking about you and liberals like you that keep the foreign defense.
But Clinton's argument wasn't one of substance. So it couldn't be countered with substance. Sanders isn't as progressive as you think he is, she was telling voters. And the proof was his single minded focus on economic security and the battle against the 1%. It was a luxury, a privilege even. To be able to focus merely on the millionaires and billionaires and not on the intersecting forms of oppression faced in unique ways by those in marginalized communities.
The Nevada contest was tight and got heated in several precincts. Dolores Huerta, a longtime union organizer known, not without a twinge of sexism, as the female Cesar Chavez was at one caucus site. [00:23:00] A vocal Clinton supporter, Huerta, claimed in a Twitter post, I offered to translate and Bernie supporters chanted English only.
We fought too long and hard to be silenced. Si, se puede. The claim was spread widely and the bigoted behavior just as widely condemned. It turned out to be a lie. Videos showed nobody had chanted any such thing. Rather, Raymond Buckley, the neutral precinct chair and a leading figure in the New Hampshire Democratic Party, who had traveled to Nevada to volunteer, had ruled that there would be no translation at the caucus site.
But the viral story of bigotry from Bernie supporters had done immense damage. Another allegation spread from a different precinct. That enraged Sanders supporters had thrown chairs amid a caucus melee. Video later surfaced of a Sanders supporter lifting a chair over his head in anger, but then putting it back down.
There was no doubt the caucuses had gotten hot, [00:24:00] but the chair throwing rumor was untrue. Still, the twin stories were collectively too perfect to allow debunking to suppress them. Angry, entitled young white men throwing chairs and shouting down a widely respected elderly Latina organizer? Sounds like Bernie Bros.
Meanwhile, the party machine went to work on behalf of Clinton. Senate Democratic leader Harry Reid, who had built the Nevada machine from the ground up, called the head of the Culinary Workers Union, directing them to endorse Clinton and to urge workers to caucus. Reid then called the casinos and ordered them to give their employees time off to caucus.
The orders were followed, and Clinton wound up with a five point caucus victory. We would like to give you some breaking news now. Out of the Democratic primary caucus in Nevada, we are calling the winner Hillary Clinton. As you can see there, 66 percent of the votes are in, 52 percent for Clinton, 48 percent for Bernie Sanders.
Sanders momentum had been [00:25:00] blunted, but more important, a narrative had been set. Bernie's movement was beset by racism and misogyny, and good progressives must support Clinton. Days later, Sanders was blown out in South Carolina, a defeat that put an exclamation mark on the white Bernie bro narrative.
Losing both states the way Sanders did was a mortal double blow. But the campaign took many more months to bleed out, with each day of the primary driving a wedge deeper in between the party's increasingly bitter factions. The Clinton campaign, through a super PAC with which it coordinated directly, called Correct the Record, Later admitted to spending at least a million dollars to get into bitter fights with Sanders supporters online either through bots or paid accounts.
When they announced this publicly in April, they said they had already addressed more than 5, 000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter. For profit scam artists based in Eastern Europe [00:26:00] would get in the game too. Joining Sanders or Clinton Facebook groups and posting what came to be called fake news.
The articles were designed to look like official American news items. The Sanders campaign had begun seeing this particular brand of news starting in early 2016, and it became digital media director Hector Segala's job to grapple with it. The first time that we kind of fell for it, for like two minutes, was this link from what seemed to be ABC News, Segala said.
It turned out to be abc. com. co, a fake site that has no affiliation with the Real News Network. It had reported that the Pope himself had endorsed Sanders. According to the investigation later conducted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, an agency linked with the Russian government did much the same thing as correct the record and the Eastern European scammers, but it used its fake troll accounts to stir anger between the party's two factions.
As [00:27:00] WikiLeaks would later reveal, the Clinton campaign worked directly with Washington based non profit advocacy groups, which universally endorsed Clinton. Despite their younger staff generally supporting Sanders. To ghostwrite op eds explaining how the Sanders position on this or that issue was actually sexist or racist.
To the extent that the campaign tactic moved the needle at all, it likely pushed moderate voters paying only marginal attention to the campaign towards Sanders. Who spoke like a normal person while Clinton began ascending into what her ally, James Carville, would later call faculty lounge speak. I call it the fact politics of the faculty lounge.
And in my view, if you want to in politics, you should speak the language of the people. You should speak clear, direct English and address people as they address each other. Anybody following the campaign closely, however. Had no effort distinguishing which candidate among the two was more progressive.
The giveaway was that [00:28:00] one of them was openly calling himself a socialist. Former President Bill Clinton, surveying the landscape and the ham handed efforts at identity politics, was bereft, lamenting to a longtime friend in the fall of 2016, That Hillary's campaign could not sell pussy on a troop train.
The
Clinton campaign's deft deployment of identity politics to detonate the Sanders campaign set off a chain reaction that would blow the lid off the Democratic coalition in the years to come. But Clinton's effort would not have met had the conditions not been perfectly primed for it. The financial crisis of 2008 followed by the painfully slow recovery hit millennials especially hard.
All of a sudden, absent hope for a better world or a secure future millions of people looked for purpose instead in their own moral purification. In a nation that had been [00:29:00] founded by By a radical sect of Puritan and engulfed by multiple great awakenings and lesser moral panics. This awakened sense of righteousness fits seamlessly into the national character and real social progress was being made.
Thanks in part, to the early petering out of the Obama administration.
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