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Our gut microbiome, our thyroid, all of these different things shift seasonally in response to UV. There are some really interesting studies showing how light impacts gut biome diversity. And so a lot of times people have gut issues and number 1, their circadian rhythms are crap so that is gonna be a huge issue. Your gut lining can't repair, you're not getting the right signaling from the light, you're not getting enough darkness, but also people are not exposing their bellies to any sort of light, and that's a huge issue for your gut microbiome.
Kate Northrup:I have been learning from today's guest for the last months, and the health strategies that she shared with me, well, mostly just in her emails, but, like, also a little bit personally, have revolutionized my experience of living in my body. And listen, I've been around cutting edge health stuff my whole life, but the way she explains the way our bodies work is so powerful, so revolutionary, especially as it relates to light. So I cannot wait for you to enjoy this episode with Sarah Kleiner. It is gonna blow your mind. It's gonna blow your mitochondria wide open.
Kate Northrup:Enjoy the show. Welcome to Plenti. I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups.
Sarah Kleiner:Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrup brand.
Kate Northrup:Welcome, Sarah. Welcome to Fenty.
Sarah Kleiner:Thank you for having me.
Kate Northrup:Oh my god. I'm so happy to have you. So I don't know how I found you exactly on the wormhole of Instagram, but I did. And, I really love how sciency you are. I love how smart you are, and you come at health from a perspective that, quite frankly, I've never heard other people talking about many, many of the things that you do, at least certainly not from the angle you do.
Kate Northrup:And the angle you take is quantum. Yes. What does quantum wellness mean?
Sarah Kleiner:So I like to look at it as something that's really small, like, that gives a large effect. So we look at it on the scale of photons. So we talk about light quite a bit and electrons, which we gather from the earth. We gather when sunlight hits the skin, it excites electrons. And so I like to look at how photons and electrons impact the body and impact our health.
Kate Northrup:Photons and electrons, which is, yeah, certainly not the angle No. That your GP is taking Mhmm. Or your OB GYN when you go in for your annual. If I started talking to them about light, I don't know. I don't know.
Kate Northrup:But I've been telling all my friends since you and I had our session. I've been telling everybody about charging themselves up in the light, and I didn't really understand what was so important about light and accessing UV rays and getting those light particles Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. Particles Yeah.
Kate Northrup:On our skin because we've been so conditioned to believe that the sun is dangerous. Yeah. What are we misunderstanding? What are we missing out on by not getting ourselves outside in the light?
Sarah Kleiner:Well, first, we have to understand when you actually look at the science around UV light and how dangerous it is, it's being done on these narrow band UV lamps. Right? And it's mostly done on animals. And then when you look at the animals, a lot of them are hairless rats, which they are, you know, they are awake at night. So it's a completely unfair comparison.
Sarah Kleiner:Now I'm not somebody who's gonna say, please go if you're a Fitzpatrick's one skin type, go lay in the sun for 6 hours, and that's fine. No. There's a way to expose yourself to the sun safely and to do it in a way that's health promoting, and then there's a way to be careless about it. So we have to you know, whenever I start talking about this topic, I always like to make that distinction first off that, yes, you'll get the kind of extreme people are like, there's no studies that say your sun causes skin cancer. I'm like, yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:But I'm not just gonna be an idiot. Right? Like, you you want to do this the right way. But when you do look at what light does in particular, UV light, red, near infrared, all of these things which are together when you are outdoors in sunlight, they're health promoting. There's a lot of health benefits, and they do a lot of crucial things for our metabolism, the immune system, heart health, brain health.
Sarah Kleiner:I mean, every bit of the body is needs to be touched and influenced by light and darkness as well. So dark we need darkness, and that's a whole other conversation. But it go it's it's a part of this as well because most of us are not getting bright enough light in the day. And then at night, we are exposed to light that's too bright when we're needing to be exposed to darkness so that our bodies can make pineal melatonin. So there's there's so much that our modern world just kind of you know, number 1, there's the fear mongering around UV.
Sarah Kleiner:I get it. But we need to learn how to do this safely. And then number 2, there's just our modern world where we have these artificial LED lights. You know, Biden made the incandescent light bulb illegal, which is, you know, very problematic for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons, you know, you can look at all the kind of toxic elements of LEDs in these bulbs.
Sarah Kleiner:But on a quantum scale, there is no infrared in these bulbs. Right? And infrared has amazing amount of health benefits. So we've essentially stripped all the infrared out of our indoor environments completely. And most of our indoor lights are, you know, blue light toxic, which has a lot of negative health implications.
Kate Northrup:So I can see a lot. I it's so many things. Biden made incandescent light bulbs illegal. Mhmm.
Sarah Kleiner:You can't get them now in California. I can still get them in Georgia. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Because I've definitely ordered them in Florida because I am so persnickety about the light quality, and we moved into our depart our apartment. We rent right now, and we moved in, and the lights were, like, just sort of like the up to code Oh, yeah. Fixtures. I mean, awful. And so I'm very particular about the quality of the light, and it's gotta be, like, a little bit yellowy amber and the kind of that golden vibe.
Kate Northrup:And and, otherwise, I just turn all the lights off. I keep mine off. Yeah. I mean, I pretty much have them off, except at night, we put a lot of red lights into our into all of our fixtures. Very nice.
Kate Northrup:Okay. High level for someone who's like, what? Like, what the heck did she just say? What is happening with our bodies with toxic blue light, and what is happening, a, where does it come from? B, what important health cycles or whatever processes is it interrupting?
Kate Northrup:And, c, what kind of detrimental effects does that have on our bodies?
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So many. I mean, first, let's just start, like, first thing in the morning, what most people do in the morning, which I used to do until I knew better, till I had my own kinda little health crisis and was like, oh, I'm gonna listen to these weird light people because nothing else is working. You know? That's how I got into this.
Sarah Kleiner:But when we wake up in the morning, most people are gonna grab their cell phone and look straight at it. Well, that is about 57 100 Kelvin. Right? So Kelvin is a measure of intensity, and that's the same intensity of the sun in the middle of the day in June. So we're sending a signal.
Sarah Kleiner:There's, this thing called the suprachiasmatic nucleus. It is starts with the retina, goes to the brain, basically telling your brain it's the middle of the day in June, so hurry up and make enough cortisol to meet that demand. And so what people are doing, what they don't know is that blue light, it increases cortisol and increases insulin and increases blood sugar completely in the absence of food. And that is very well documented in the literature. So most of us are already stressed out.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? We've already got a lot, you know, that we wake up to notifications and kids and jobs and all this stuff. And we're we're bombarding our body out of the gates with this phone. Right? Just the light alone, not even talking about what you're doing to these different brainwaves that I know you're familiar with
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Needing to start the the day intentionally, you you know, not letting these other things come in, but just the light alone
Kate Northrup:Just the light alone.
Sarah Kleiner:Is gonna bring your cortisol.
Kate Northrup:Regardless, even if it's a meditation app. Yeah. Even if The light alone is a problem. Exactly. Yep.
Kate Northrup:So important.
Sarah Kleiner:Yep.
Kate Northrup:So it's giving us this so it's it's because, obviously, we want a spike of cortisol in the morning, but it's it's too much. Right. Exactly. Okay. And then it's spiking our blood sugar.
Kate Northrup:Yep. It's spiking our insulin. Yes. Not optimal. So so many stressors, not to mention what you might actually be reading Right.
Kate Northrup:Which is a whole other test for you.
Sarah Kleiner:Going up.
Kate Northrup:So the light alone. So what is optimal? Yep. You wake up, you know, maybe you have the luxury of waking up without an alarm. I don't know.
Kate Northrup:Maybe your body wakes you up naturally. So lovely. Maybe that's not happening, but regardless, then you would do what to set yourself up for, like, the optimal hormone balance and metabolic experience of your day.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So ideally and this actually happens pretty naturally for people after they've done this for even as little as 3 days. Ideally, you wake up around the time of sunrise, and you try not to turn on overhead lights. If you are in an environment you can't, you know, like, control it, I always keep a pair of amber blue blockers beside the bed. Just pop those on in case there's a light on downstairs.
Sarah Kleiner:And I just go straight outside. Right?
Kate Northrup:Just Yes. Open the door. First thing.
Sarah Kleiner:Go straight outside because it during sunrise, which is when the sun is between 0 and 10 degrees, is there's blue light is just starting to come in. And we we have an abundance of red and near infrared, which everyone's talking about red light therapy panels now. They're fabulous. I love I have a a few in my house. I have one in my purse, a little battery operated one that I brought on the plane.
Kate Northrup:Are totally my people.
Sarah Kleiner:Isn't just like TSA? What the hell is this? Right? So, red light therapy, amazing, over 5,000 different studies on how it's beneficial to all parts of the body. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:You get you can
Sarah Kleiner:get those frequencies in abundance at sunrise time, and blue light is just coming on. And so when blue light enters your eyes, it's a timekeeper. So it's telling your brain, ah, okay. It is, you know, 6:30 AM or whatever time sunrises for you, 7 AM. Let's start making appropriate hormones for this time of day.
Sarah Kleiner:Let's kind of restart the TCA cycle, which is your metabolism where you burn sugar, fat, carbs, all of that. It kind of restarts. Yeah. Several processes in the body come online, and they do it in this kind of gradual natural way when you're outdoors getting that natural light. And that's the sunrise is 0 to 10.
Sarah Kleiner:And then UVA is that next magic window of time, and that's when the sun is between 10 and 30 in the morning.
Kate Northrup:K.
Sarah Kleiner:We have another bit of magic that comes online. This big protein called PAM c is activated in the brain, which is where we make alpha MSH, which helps to regulate the appetite, can even suppress it if needed. We want to eat in the morning, though. Yeah. But someone who has a lot of appetite issues, I'm like, you gotta get out there, UVA.
Sarah Kleiner:We've got, serotonin is synthesized in that time, and that gets turned into and recycled into that night's melatonin. K. So your night of sleep actually begins in UVA. Right? Like, how well you're sleeping.
Sarah Kleiner:Starts in the morning. Yep. These aromatic amino acids in the eyes capture those photons, right, and then turn them, synthesize them into serotonin, dopamine, alpha MSH, all of these amazing neuropeptides and neurohormones, also, pregnenolone, right, which becomes all of our other hormones, becomes cortisol, sex hormones, thyroid hormone. All of that happens in UVA window in response to,
Kate Northrup:like the 10 to 30 degrees. Mhmm. Okay. Great. And, we'll talk about it at the end, but you have an app Yes.
Kate Northrup:That tells you how to do all this. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:It's gonna have everything we talk about all in one little hub so you don't have to download a bunch of stuff and yeah. I'm so excited about this.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Okay. You mentioned, and I wanna back up, you had a health crisis and started to listen to these light people.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. What happened? Yes. So I was kind of involved in the carnivore community. Believe it or not, I had started a page in 2019, and I was already doing nutrition, but I started doing some nutritional counseling in that community, using credentials and then getting more credentials and just, you know, going pure nutrition.
Sarah Kleiner:You know? I was really bought into it. And, that helped me with a lot of things, going carnivore. But about that, you know, year or so mark in, you hear this a lot, it's not quite so optimal. But I thought, you know what?
Sarah Kleiner:I'm doing really good. I'm gonna get pregnant. Like, I'm ready. Like, it was after 2020. I have a daughter who's 16 with, like, pretty profound nonspeaking autism.
Sarah Kleiner:And so we'd always been like, alright. We wanna have another baby, but it's just not the right time. It's it was just never the right time.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:And then all of a sudden, one day, I woke up and I was, like, 41. And I was, like, I we gotta it's time. You know? And so I thought, I'm so healthy. I've been doing this carnivore diet.
Sarah Kleiner:Like, I've, you know, really been strict and good for years. This is gonna be easy. And I got pregnant right away, but, unfortunately, I lost that one. And then I my doctor's like, it's you know, it happens all the time. Women lose babies, and it's fine.
Sarah Kleiner:Then it happened again. And then I was like, oh my gosh. This is, like, so devastating. Like, I never really understood the whole pregnancy loss thing. It's was one of those things you can't really understand until you go through it of, like, how devastating it is.
Sarah Kleiner:Sure. And so then we were like, okay. Let's just let's just do IVF because my doctors were, like, really pressuring me to go down the IVF route. They're like, you're just turning 42. I just turned 42.
Sarah Kleiner:I've been trying for, you know, for a year from 40 41 to 42 unsuccessfully. And they were like, you just let's just do IVF. That way, we can test the embryos and make sure you know? And I was like, okay. I guess, why not?
Sarah Kleiner:You know? So I did. I went through 2 rounds of IVF that I had no viable embryos. And I was, at that point, introduced to doctor Jack Cruz to come on to my podcast. And I was like, I've heard of him before.
Sarah Kleiner:It was one of my community members has a connection with him, and she's like, you should really interview him. And I was like, this is like, he talks about a lot of weird stuff, you know, and he's, yeah, I don't know. Mhmm. But I was just, like, fine. Okay.
Sarah Kleiner:It's one of those things you're, like, fine. I'll just it's there's a reason that I'm doing this. And so I talked with Jack, and I just kinda told him what was going on. And he's like, you need to learn about leptin, and you need to learn about light, and you need to do these things, and you'll get pregnant. And I was like and deuterium as well, which is another thing.
Sarah Kleiner:He's like, leptin, light, and deuterium. Those are your keys, and you're gonna get pregnant. And I was like, alright. Fine. Like, if that's what I gotta do to have the baby, then that's what I'm gonna do.
Sarah Kleiner:And I did. And I was just very and I dove head in, of course. I had to learn more about it, get more certifications, and all that good stuff. And lo and behold, that was in I think I talked to him in September, and then I was positive pregnancy test that following January and had my son at age 43. So Okay.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. That's amazing. So we've we've touched on light.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. Talk to me about leptin. Yes. So leptin was discovered in 1994, and Cruz has done a lot of great work around it. It's kinda complicated.
Sarah Kleiner:If you read his blogs, they're a little hard to understand. K.
Kate Northrup:So I
Sarah Kleiner:had to do a lot of deciphering and then tailoring more to the female body. Yes. But it is a master circadian signaling hormone, and it was discovered in 1994. It impacts your thyroid. I mean, there's extensive literature on leptin in the thyroid, sex hormones from everything from infertility to hot flashes to endometriosis to, I mean, you name it.
Sarah Kleiner:Leptin is correlated with and being leptin sensitive, having healthy leptin levels are correlated with all of those. Immune system, Just it's we have leptin receptors in the heart, all over the body. And so he's that's that was crucial for me. And I tested my leptin and ended up being really low at that point.
Kate Northrup:You were really low. I was
Sarah Kleiner:very low.
Kate Northrup:Been struggling with low leptin Yep. Which is why I reached out to you. Yep. What does it mean if your leptin levels are high? What does it mean if they're low, and what's optimal?
Sarah Kleiner:Yep. So I like, for women, between a 7 and a 10. I know that's kind of a tight range. K. But that's the range I like to see for women.
Sarah Kleiner:Now if you're, like, really lean and you're healthy and you're not symptomatic and your hormones are good, sometimes you can go a little bit below that range, and it's not a huge deal. I'm seeing more and more women, though, that their leptin's, like, 30, 40, 50. I have a lady that's in my group now whose leptin was 90. You know? I'm seeing these, like, really, really high.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. Very high leptin levels. And leptin resistance happens before insulin resistance. It's a precursor. So someone might just kind of be feeling, like, not so optimal.
Sarah Kleiner:They're not even necessarily prediabetic yet, but they're they're they're getting there. Right? Like, metabolic health, it it starts, and you're gonna continue for it to go towards eventually some sort of metabolic dysfunction. And so leptin resistance is kind of a precursor to major, metabolic dysfunction. And it's there if you already have type 2 diabetes, something like that.
Sarah Kleiner:You have leptin resistance. Yeah. If you have insulin resistance, you do have leptin resistance. So I think it's a really crucial marker for people and something to look at in the framework of everything from fertility to thyroid to autoimmune conditions. It's I mean, it's just indicated in so many things.
Sarah Kleiner:But there's no they've they've studied it so much because they've tried to see how they can manipulate it. Can we inject it into people? Can we find a drug? Can we you know? And they haven't been able to
Kate Northrup:Like, we really need to do this natural Right.
Sarah Kleiner:Like, naturally. They haven't been able to manipulate it, and so a lot of people have kinda written it off as some sort of a marker that they should pay attention to.
Kate Northrup:And saying, like, oh, it doesn't matter.
Sarah Kleiner:But it
Kate Northrup:really does. It yeah. So if your leptin is too high so when your leptin is above 10, you have leptin resistance.
Sarah Kleiner:Likely. Yes.
Kate Northrup:And I know you have a wonderful 21 day leptin reset Yes. That people can go through. But starting with this light piece would be really amazing. And then what if it's too low? What if it's below 7?
Kate Northrup:Like, the last time I had mine tested, I think it was 2.3.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. And you're I mean
Kate Northrup:Which is tricky because I'm not somebody who's, like, under you know, like, a more it would be more common for a low leptin person to be underweight. Yep. And that's not something I experienced. Yep. So I'm just I mean, not at
Sarah Kleiner:this time. £30 heavier with low leptin than I am now. £30 heavier than I am now, because I had a lot of stress. I mean, the special needs daughter. I see it with a lot of women who kind of run their engines a little high.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. You know? A lot a history of some some women has a history of yoga dieting, dieting in general, fasting, too much fasting because fasting is, like, super trendy. That's how I wrecked mine because I was doing carnivore and fasting.
Kate Northrup:I think that's how I wrecked wrecked mine was from doing keto and fasting.
Sarah Kleiner:Yep. Carnivore fasting.
Kate Northrup:And, I know. And the more and more I'm reading, I'm like, damn. That was so effective, and then it wasn't.
Sarah Kleiner:And then it wasn't. I always say, like
Kate Northrup:Shoot. It works And then it really didn't.
Sarah Kleiner:Until it bites you in the ass. Like, it does. Yeah. That's what happens. And the women are you know, because of my, place, I used to be kind of in the carnivore community.
Sarah Kleiner:Still know a lot of lovely people that do that whole thing. But I separated out from it after I realized that that was not gonna be the ticket for fertility and long term health, that it was more of just a dietary method that should be done strategically short term for health conditions. Yeah. And then you cycle out of it. Got it.
Sarah Kleiner:Because what happens when you put yourself in these long term states of ketosis, your body is gonna down regulate several things. Leptin goes down. Thyroid goes down. And then you're like, how do I have 30 extra pounds? And I've been to low leptin.
Sarah Kleiner:With right. Yeah. Because your body has said we are in trouble. Right. And your body is always trying to protect you.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? Your body's always got your back, but, like, there's when you are constantly telling it you're starving, it's going to say, okay. Well, then we better slow the heck down. Right. Because food
Kate Northrup:is not coming in,
Sarah Kleiner:and we're fasting all the time. So we're just gonna bring things down.
Kate Northrup:And then what about deuterium? Yes. I mean, I know you could literally teach, like, oh, you know, classes upon classes. So, like, the CliffsNotes of deuterium. I've never heard of it before.
Kate Northrup:You said it before.
Sarah Kleiner:I had never either. Doctor Laszlo Boros is the kind of father of deuterium. He's probably got over a 1,000 different studies on it now. I've had him on my show before. But, essentially, it's a mitochondrial toxin, when it accumulates.
Sarah Kleiner:So it's neither good nor bad. It's essentially a heavy form of hydrogen. Right? So there's 3 forms of hydrogen. There's, like, the quote, unquote good hydrogen.
Sarah Kleiner:There's protium, and then there's deuterium. Proteum, we're never really gonna encounter in daily life, but deuterium is something that we will encounter. And it is contained in food. It is contained in supplements. And it's essentially, what it does again is it gets into the mitochondria if you've got too much of it and your body's not depleting enough of it.
Sarah Kleiner:And it it slows down the nanomotors, essentially. So it breaks the ATPase. So it stops the body from making energy and water, causes cellular chaos. Doctor Gabor Sommelier is the other deuterium doctor. He's written books on deuterium and cancer and has a ton of cancer protocols.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Sarah Kleiner:So I will have people that have a history of cancer. I'll say, let's I'm gonna give you this information. I don't prescribe things, you know, not medical advice. But I typically will give someone who has a history of cancer or is dealing with cancer this to look into more. Right?
Sarah Kleiner:Because our bodies are supposed to be able to deplete deuterium naturally. How do we do that? Strong UV light, sweat, movement, building up of exclusion zone water, which is a whole other k. Lovely thing I love to talk about.
Kate Northrup:Noting that. Yep.
Sarah Kleiner:But we're not in the sun. Yeah. A lot of people are not sweating. A lot of people are not moving. And so people are accumulating way too much deuterium in the body.
Sarah Kleiner:And when you're eating out of season foods, that's a huge one. Right? So if you're living in, you know, Canada and you're eating tropical fruit smoothies in the middle of January, you're having very high deuterium food. And then you have no strong UV
Kate Northrup:To clear that.
Sarah Kleiner:Your body deplete that, and so that can accumulate in the mitochondria as well. So, yeah, deuterium acid. Slows down energy production
Kate Northrup:and metabolism.
Sarah Kleiner:Exactly. Interesting. Water production in the body.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So then you end up dehydrated also. Yes. And if listen. The show is called Plenty.
Kate Northrup:So for you listening, I just want you to really be thinking about, like, are you experiencing low energy? And we really wanna tap into energy reserves and be able to access that energy for creativity and for, you know, running our lives and and our time, our ability to feel like we have more than enough time is deeply intertwined with our ability to have energy.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Because if we don't have energy, it doesn't matter how much time we actually have. It will feel like there's never enough time if you don't have your energy. Exactly. So this piece around, mitochondrial function, metabolic function is critical. Now one of the things you told me in our session is that our, bellies are actually one of the places that we need the UV.
Kate Northrup:Yes. And if you are like me, someone listening, I kind of stopped wearing 2 pieces, like, a long time ago. I've gone back since talking to you, which has been fun, but not because I, you know, not because I particularly, like, have a desire to wear a bikini, but because of what you told me about the light and the belly. Yes. Will you talk about that?
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So our gut microbiome, our thyroid, all of these different things shift seasonally in response to UV. There are some really interesting studies showing how light impacts gut microbiome diversity. And so a lot of times, people have gut issues. And number 1, their circadian rhythms are crap, so that is gonna be a huge issue.
Sarah Kleiner:Your gut lining can't repair. You're not getting the right signaling from the light. You're not getting enough darkness. But, also, people are not exposing their bellies to any sort of light. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:And that's a huge issue for your gut microbiome because so interesting.
Kate Northrup:And it makes so much sense. As soon as you told me, I was like, oh, yeah. And I was talking to a girlfriend. I'm curious about this. So I was talking to a girlfriend.
Kate Northrup:She's struggling with depression right now. She has throughout her life, but it's like
Sarah Kleiner:yeah, it's got her
Kate Northrup:right now. It's up right now. And I was, like, intuitively, I suggested that she start getting some sunlight on her belly. Was that intuition correct? Yeah.
Kate Northrup:How does light impact our mental health? Oh, yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:I mean, it's it look at circadian disruption and depression. Like, I've just figured out how to, like, look stuff off on ped PubMed. It's so it's super easy. Right?
Kate Northrup:I
Sarah Kleiner:love PubMed. So yeah, circadian disruption and depression, lack of sunlight and depression, like, the and mental health disorders. I mean, they're rampant. You know? Huge.
Sarah Kleiner:Huge. Huge. And I'm somebody who was on, gosh, I started going on age ADHD medication when I was 14, SSRIs when I was in high school because I was in the nineties. And, like, we put everybody on Prozac instead of dealing with anything. It's like, yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:He just needs a Prozac.
Kate Northrup:Instead of a add a
Sarah Kleiner:window. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:I mean, not to say, listen. There's a time and a place, but yes.
Sarah Kleiner:That's what we did. Yeah. And then I just kinda continued that, and it wasn't until I brought these things. Carnivore diet helped tremendously Uh-huh. Because I think the sugar does play and the food plays a huge role, in how your brain and body, all of that functions.
Sarah Kleiner:Absolutely. But the light piece was like, woah. It's like game changer. Because we make serotonin and dopamine, of course, and UVA light, which we get in that morning time. We've got UVA all day long.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? UVB is the vitamin d that everyone's obsessed with k. Which is helpful. It's good. But you don't have to get UVB to get benefits from sun.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? So UVA and then also luxe. Like, we were kinda talking about
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah. Tell me about luxe. I don't know what that is.
Sarah Kleiner:So you've probably heard about 10,000 luxe light boxes. Yes. I don't like those for k. Various reasons. I mean, just because it's like I said with the phone, you're telling your body it's the middle of the day.
Sarah Kleiner:It's a disrupting signal. There's no red Yeah. Infrared to balance it. Like, it's not how we would receive that in nature. I know some people that really swear by their light boxes.
Sarah Kleiner:But here's the thing. When you look at the science on luxe, for depression, anxiety, you only need about 1 to 2,000 luxe per hour for a little bits of time in order to stave off that anxiety, depression, when you're looking at it from that standpoint. So indoors, it's nice and bright here. But if I had a lux meter, the max it probably would be would be about 500, maybe, between
Kate Northrup:35. Under artificial LED light.
Sarah Kleiner:Right. Right. Yeah. If you go outside on a cloudy, rainy day, it's anywhere from 3 to 10000 lux.
Kate Northrup:Wow.
Sarah Kleiner:Even when it's raining. Right? Even when it's cloudy. That's why in my my my circadian app, I'm gonna have a little lux meter because I want people to actually see it because you're, like, I'm in the Target store right now. It's so awful and bright in here, and it's, like, 300 lux.
Sarah Kleiner:And you go outside, it's overcast, and it's, like, gloomy, but it's still
Kate Northrup:But you're getting all that positive Right. Natural light.
Sarah Kleiner:And same thing with weight loss. There are I think it's around 2 to 3000 lux that you need in order to activate certain metabolic processes in your brain for weight loss. And so that can also be something that's, like, quote, unquote slowing down your metabolism. You're not in a bright enough Yeah. Environment.
Sarah Kleiner:And so
Kate Northrup:Yeah. And turning on the lights brighter inside your house is not gonna cut it No. Ever. No. Right.
Kate Northrup:It's not. Right. Right. Right. It's not.
Kate Northrup:This is so fascinating. So when we think about our daily lives, many people are just on a screen, a computer screen, a phone screen, literally from the moment they wake up until the moment they go to bed. Mhmm. And they are doing that indoors with windows and doors closed. Mhmm.
Kate Northrup:And then we wonder why we have a problem with our metabolism. Yep. We're low energy.
Sarah Kleiner:Yep.
Kate Northrup:We're depressed. Yep. We're anxious. We're lonely. It's literally like we're disconnected from the light.
Kate Northrup:I mean, we are animals.
Sarah Kleiner:We're light beings.
Kate Northrup:Right. We are light beings. Our entire nervous system, our brain and our bodies communicate through light energy. We it like electricity.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. Our mitochondria make light. Like, we have light we have UV receptors on cytochrome 1, which is where carbohydrates enter the electron transport chain. And so, you know, if you're gonna be eating a lot of carbs, you should be under a lot of strong UV light. I mean, it's it's eat your carbs outside.
Sarah Kleiner:Outside in the sunlight under strong UV.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. Now you told me something that has actually really been a game changer, which is that you don't have to because I can get very, like, all or nothing Yeah. Which I think is common. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I'm like, well, you know, I live in an apartment. I work in an apartment. I live in a city. I don't have my own yard, like and these are things I will be shifting over time, but Yeah. This is our moment in our life.
Sarah Kleiner:And And a lot of people, I'm sure,
Kate Northrup:and then I'm like, okay. Well, I'm not you know, I I don't actually have my own grass to, like, take off my shoes and be barefoot. Like, all the grass in my area has, like, dog pee on it or, like, trash. So, anyway, so Yeah. We were we're not talking about grounding right now.
Kate Northrup:But I you said you were like, any amount is good. So I've actually been, you know, we're here on my podcast set, which is in our work apartment. I've actually been working with the slider open here or work if I work out, I'm working out with the slider open. My slider is open, like, all the time at our apartment. My husband's like, you're really screwing with the AC.
Kate Northrup:And I'm like Yeah. My husband would accept that I am repatterning all of Everyone's circadian rhythm. Circadian rhythm. So, like, it's fine. Deal with them.
Kate Northrup:Or, you know, we now we have a little bit of a bug problem.
Sarah Kleiner:But anyway Bug zappers.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I need to get a bug zapper. Thank you.
Sarah Kleiner:I have 2 big ones. It freaks me out. Just inside
Kate Northrup:you have bug zappers. They have
Sarah Kleiner:indoor UV bug zappers, and they're not they don't disrupt your circadian rhythm at all. Okay. It's so yeah. I have one in my kitchen, and I'll just be sitting in there working, and I hear, like, this is I'm like, oh, yeah.
Kate Northrup:Because you said, like, even having a sliver Yeah. Of daytime light Yes. If you're on a screen Yes. Will mitigate those effects. Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Why is that? Well, because light travels and it bends. Right? And we only need a little signal for our brain to actually know what's going on. And if you are gonna be on the screen, I love using something like Iris software.
Sarah Kleiner:That's really, really helpful. Or if you can't open a window because I have people who are, like, I'm locked in the office. I can't. Iris software are yellow blue blockers, and then just making a conscious effort to get up and take a break and peek your head out a window, just open it up and be, like, okay. It's 2 o'clock.
Sarah Kleiner:Alright. Go back inside.
Kate Northrup:Right. So you're, like or you're essentially signaling to your body where you are in time and space Always. Yeah. Connecting with what's happening outside.
Sarah Kleiner:Yep. And if you're able to ground, you do that with your feet touching the earth as well. Right?
Kate Northrup:Because you
Sarah Kleiner:get the temperature of the earth, you get the time of day, you get those electrons, and your body again, it's like another form of, like, orienting to time of day, time of year, because it's different, you know, in the middle of summer versus the middle of winter, what you're gonna get during those times.
Kate Northrup:Does that work on, like, a sidewalk or a driveway?
Sarah Kleiner:Mhmm. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But it doesn't work if there's rubber involved.
Sarah Kleiner:Asphalt, rubber, but concrete. Yeah. And a lot of people that live in high rises, they'll buy a conductivity meter and test it, and they're grounded on a concrete balcony.
Kate Northrup:Oh, really?
Sarah Kleiner:I have a lot of people I also
Kate Northrup:did buy some grounding shoes.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. I love my
Kate Northrup:They make me look like a hobbit.
Sarah Kleiner:But Which ones did you buy? You have some cute ones.
Kate Northrup:They do. They're still but in, like, a cuter way. So I don't wear them a ton, but when I do, I really notice the difference.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:What is your thought on grounding sheets? Because I get this question.
Sarah Kleiner:I don't like them. Just, you know, doctor Laura Conover, and her website is intuition physician. Her products are the only ones that I think are good, because she's got some shielding, like, dirty electricity filters. Because a lot of times, we our bodies run on a DC electric current. Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? When you're plugging something into a wall, you're pulling in AC electric. Right? So the earth is DC. We are DC.
Kate Northrup:So just for folks listening, DC is direct current. Yep. AC is alternating current. So it's 2 different kinds of electricity.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. Yep. Yeah. But, you know, when you look at some of the studies, because I had doctor Conover on my show, she she told me about a few studies. There was a study with, babies in the NICU, and half the babies were they put them on grounding mats that were plugged in.
Sarah Kleiner:K. And then the other half in the NICU were not. And the babies that were on the grounding mats that were plugged in, even using the AC current had
Kate Northrup:Better.
Sarah Kleiner:Profoundly better than the ones that didn't.
Kate Northrup:So amazing. So so it could be one of those things. Like, maybe it's not optimal, but maybe it's better than nothing.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. And I just don't like the sheets though because I have had
Kate Northrup:plugged into electricity in your bed.
Sarah Kleiner:That's like a bad idea.
Kate Northrup:Like
Sarah Kleiner:well, even my good friend, doctor Sarah Pugh, she just stayed at my house for, like, 2 months. Uh-huh. She's she, like, slept in my yard in a tent. Like, my husband's just like, what? You have the weirdest friends.
Sarah Kleiner:Like
Kate Northrup:Accurate.
Sarah Kleiner:He keeps finding, like, pine cones around the house because she, like, wrapped them in copper to, like, do different energetic things. Oh, no. He's like, I found this paper in the closet that has, like, this weird writing on it. Should I throw it away? I'm like, no.
Sarah Kleiner:Just leave it. Like, she left it for us. Like, it's like a blessing of some sort, but don't touch it.
Kate Northrup:I'm teasing.
Sarah Kleiner:He's like, okay.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Fine.
Sarah Kleiner:It's fine. My wife again. But she she actually got a grounding rod, stuck it in the ground k. And ran it into the house with a wire, 2 sheets on the bed in the downstairs where she was staying. So she slept terrible, just terrible, like, horrible, horrible sleep.
Sarah Kleiner:And she actually had to, like, go sleep in the yard to recover from it because she's sing. You know? And we live in an urban we live in the middle of the city. Uh-huh. Busy road, like, power lines, all the things.
Sarah Kleiner:And so I think there was probably some power that was it's kinda like an antenna that you're pulling in.
Kate Northrup:Have, like, tapped into that when she stuck the thing in the yard. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:But I've just had too many clients and too many people that buy the sheets, and they sleep worse.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So it's, like, just try to get your just, like, socks and shoes off Yeah. And stand on the ground.
Sarah Kleiner:And it's cumulative. So, like, if you can just get 45 minutes total over a day, that's great. And then doctor Conover, who is, like, the grounding queen, she lives in an environment where she can barely ground at all, and so she just goes camping once
Kate Northrup:a month. And stores it all up. It works like that? Yep. Okay.
Kate Northrup:That's great.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So she just goes off grid 2 days a month, camping. Cool. Gathers her electrons.
Kate Northrup:Takes it with her for the rest of
Sarah Kleiner:the month. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:That's very lovely. What do you think about EMFs?
Sarah Kleiner:So there are some issues with them because they dehydrate us on a cellular level. Right? Doctor Gerald Pollack is, like, the father of structured water, exclusion zone water. He's done a lot of the work on it. And he essentially showed in his laboratory that when on water, which surrounds about 99% of the cells in our body, it is also in the inside of the mitochondria, surrounding each of those respiratory proteins.
Sarah Kleiner:So it's our body is full of this exclusion zone water. It's essentially a battery that gives us energy. Right? When he exposed exclusions on water to Wi Fi, it took it down by 15 to 20%. So my biggest issue with the EMF is how it dehydrates us on a cellular level, and you can pretty much draw most issues, most health issues to some sort of dehydration.
Sarah Kleiner:Wow. Right. Yeah. And so that's my biggest issue with it. Now I am playing around with some harmonizing, because I don't think that we can, in this lifetime, just get away from it.
Sarah Kleiner:Even if you move out somewhere, they can just put a satellite and Yeah.
Kate Northrup:It's like 100%. A 100%. And what is, okay, what is exclusion zone water?
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So
Kate Northrup:it is sort of described it.
Sarah Kleiner:But It basically has a negative charge. Right? Uh-huh. So all of our cells have this well, healthy healthy cells, and this is very well documented as well. Healthy cells all have a negative charge, and it is from that exclusion zone water that surrounds the cells.
Sarah Kleiner:Okay. And that is what gives them their viscosity. If you've ever seen, that really popular grounding illustration of all the red blood cells kind of, like, clumped together, and then it shows someone stepping onto the earth and grounding, it shows all the red blood cells unclumping, moving again. Yeah. So that's essentially what's happening when we're around a lot of Wi Fi and non native EMF is we're losing viscosity of the blood.
Sarah Kleiner:We're losing flow. I mean, the more I study exclusions on water, I'm like, that's it. Like, that is why everyone is dehydrated on this cellular level because, again, it surrounds every single pretty much every single cell in your body, 99%. And then it's lined on the inner and outer mitochondrial membrane, and each of those 5 respiratory proteins is also surrounded by it. So for the mitochondria to make ATP and water, which I think is our primary energy source that happens at step 4, we have to have adequate exclusions on water.
Sarah Kleiner:Or what happens? Those electrons moving across the electron transport chain get lost. We've got ROS. We have cell death. We have low voltage.
Kate Northrup:What does ROS mean?
Sarah Kleiner:A reactive oxygen species is just basically like inflammation.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? So electrons that get lost in that electron transport chain. Wow. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Is exclusionary water exclusion? Exclusion zone. Exclusion like, what? Is exclusion zone water something we should be making at our houses, or is it something that happens inside our body? Both.
Kate Northrup:And, also, what kind of water do you drink?
Sarah Kleiner:Both. Okay. So when people think when I talk about it, the first thing is, like, what do I drink? Yeah. What should I drink?
Sarah Kleiner:And I'm, like, yes.
Kate Northrup:It sounds like there's a lot of other things.
Sarah Kleiner:We we want to and I'll talk about that. But, like, just I wanna really bring it home that it's important that we support our bodies in a way that they're able to hold on to water Yes. And make it. And that involves circadian signaling, light, infrared in particular expands that exclusion zone 4 fold.
Kate Northrup:Zero to 10 degrees in the morning.
Sarah Kleiner:Yep. Yep. Sunrise, UVA, that's really circadian signaling is crucial. But, yeah, infrared, like I just mentioned, that we've taken out of all of our homes. Doctor doctor Pollock again showed that exposure to infrared expands the exclusion zone water up to 4 fold.
Sarah Kleiner:Wow. So Wow. We get that all day. Like, that's all day from before sunrise after
Kate Northrup:sunset. All day if you are getting light from the outside. Right.
Sarah Kleiner:Right. All you gotta do is go outside. Right? And so Go outside. We gotta do these things to support exclusions on water in the body Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Grounding, sunlight, infrared on the skin. It's not not being forgotten. There's a spiritual element to all
Kate Northrup:of this stuff. We're gonna go there in a minute. Yeah. Definitely.
Sarah Kleiner:There's definitely a big spiritual element to all of it. Talk about that all day in regards to water. But so that's primary is, like because I'll get people, and they're like, I'm buying all the water, and I'm doing all the things, and I'm like, honey, you can't hang you're not holding on
Kate Northrup:to it. It doesn't matter what you're pouring in because
Sarah Kleiner:yeah. You're freaking out, and you're you're around, like, a ton of electronics, and your blue light stops water production. And so it blocks cytochrome 4, literally shuts it down. So that's the other big issue with the blue light. And so if someone's in these environments, they're just constantly losing.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? But I do drink so I the 4 things that I do to my water, number 1 is always clean. So distill I have a distiller now. We also have a spring aqua system that's under sink that does structuring and mineralizing. But we've been getting into hydrogen, so that's why we got the distiller.
Sarah Kleiner:And so we clean the water.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:And then we usually add some sort of minerals back to it. I love Quintan hypertonic. That's my favorite. Then I'll do sometimes hydrogen or structuring. Now I just you can structure with your intention.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Right? Like, Veda Austin was on my show. She did, like, a 2 hour, like, illustration. I mean, just matte beautiful showing you how intention structures water, and she's been able to replicate this all over the world.
Kate Northrup:So you can just bless your own water.
Sarah Kleiner:Right. How beautiful. Necessarily need to buy expensive devices. Just hold it next to your heart and, like Yeah.
Kate Northrup:That makes so much sense. Of course. Yeah. I mean, with the electromagnetic field of our heart, it would absolutely if you're in coherence, the water is gonna go into coherence with you.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. It's beautiful. So, I mean, clean it, put some minerals in, pray.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:And then if you wanna play around with hydrogen
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:That's a that's a fun one to explore.
Kate Northrup:Yes. We have that at our house, but I'm not using it. So can you remind me? Can you remind me? I have so many things.
Kate Northrup:Can you remind me why I would be doing that? I literally listened to, like, a 3 hour podcast about it, and then it was it was after Mike's it was, you know, what it was. I remember now. It's all coming back to me. It was after, Mike's, he had this accident where he got hit by a car.
Kate Northrup:And so where this is my segue into then the spiritual emotional because this is a perfect example of, like, I took in this information, and I even remember the underpass where I was listening to this podcast, but I have zero recollection of the benefits because I was so stressed out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But let's talk about hydrogen, then we're gonna talk about emotions and spiritual.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So it's basically a selective antioxidant.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Sarah Kleiner:And there's a lot of really, really fascinating research on hydrogen showing it in cancer, in metabolic diseases, in autoimmune conditions, and the healing benefits. Now we do inhalation. The reason why we got into hydrogen was my daughter started having of course, after we had the baby, she started having some really serious health issues, and we're still dealing with a lot of that. But we were at the point where we were going to have to literally send her away to a psychiatric institution because she was getting so violent and aggressive and having these, like, psychotic episodes. And it was terrifying.
Sarah Kleiner:And so I connected with a guy. His name's Greg, the hydrogen man.
Kate Northrup:I think he was on the podcast.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. Greg is he's just such a really wonderful person. Like, he he really doesn't make a lot of money or money at all, really, from what he does. He just helps people. Like, he talked to me for 2 hours on the phone back in December and was like, you gotta try this for her.
Sarah Kleiner:So she's been doing she's been breathing it through the, what is that thing called? The cannula. Cannula.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. So I have that, and I was doing it overnight. I was breathing it in overnight, but it like, it's funny with my sleep. So what are what do you find is, like, the minimum effective dose? Of course, everyone's gonna be so different, and your daughter's clearly gonna be different.
Kate Northrup:But, like, what's recommended for the amount of time during the day?
Sarah Kleiner:Anywhere from 30 to 90 minutes a day
Kate Northrup:is good. Okay. Well, I'll just bring her to the office and start doing it while I work.
Sarah Kleiner:Easy to do while you work. Like, for her, we just do it when she comes home from school. Or, like, this morning, I got up at 4 to be here, and she got up at 4 also. So now is
Kate Northrup:a good time to breathe some hydrogen.
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. I I my I'm like, just put her on the machine.
Kate Northrup:And will she do it? She'll sit? Okay. She will. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:It's very, very calming for her. Yeah. Like, I was shocked that she would do it.
Kate Northrup:But see, to me, that's such a sign To do it. Because the body is like like for, my girls have really struggled with some severe eczema, my my oldest daughter in particular. And one of the things we've done is the ionic foot baths, and it's been really interesting to notice how much she asks for it, which to me is an indicator that her body loves that. Oh, yeah. And it's good
Sarah Kleiner:for her. So intuitive. Yeah. And my daughter, like, some days, she'll come home from school, and she'll do 30 minutes, and then she's, like, throwing it off. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:And I'm like, okay.
Kate Northrup:Cool. So that must be the amount her body needed.
Sarah Kleiner:You need that's fine.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. That's great.
Sarah Kleiner:The kids are into it. Like, my son, we were using red light in his ear last night Uh-huh. Because he went swimming, and he doesn't know you're not supposed to just, like, dive under the water the whole time. So he had all this water. And so we just put the red little torch in his ear.
Sarah Kleiner:Oh. And he was like, oh, yeah. Interesting. Okay.
Kate Northrup:Love that. Yep. We've been talking about very, like, practical Yes. Three d things that are not common Right. But they are things that you do externally Yes.
Kate Northrup:Or Yeah. You know, scientific Process. Like yeah. Right. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:It's like this ingredient, that thing, I'm doing this with the light, with the hooded up. Yes. What about all of the energetic factors that are caused by our thoughts, our beliefs, our nervous system wiring, our connection to God, our connection to spirit? How do you see those things playing in, and where do you guide your clients around that? Because, you know, the data around, like, spontaneous remission Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Healing that, you know, in people who are, like, chain smokers and drinking whiskey every day. Like, it's like some of this stuff, it just it doesn't make sense scientifically, but the fact the other factor is the emotional spiritual piece.
Sarah Kleiner:And that's what that's more, like, quantum. I see it as, like, the true quantum is, like, something can happen in your body so quickly. Right? Like, we've had my partner Carrie and I have a fertility course. We've had so many women go through there.
Sarah Kleiner:We just got 2 emails last week of women who are about to give birth. And they were told, you're never getting pregnant. Like, you're just you know, that's it. You've they've been through, like, some of them, 10 rounds of IVF, multiple loss. I mean, it's just horrible, like, stories that will just make you cry.
Sarah Kleiner:And the first thing that we did with the ladies was we changed our course. The first time we ran it, it was all process. Right? The second time we ran it, we were like, okay. That was really good, but we need to do what we did on week 6 week 1 and really talk to them about how they are perceiving this whole thing.
Sarah Kleiner:Totally. And because when you look at water again, you can look at Masaru Moto's work, which is people are Incredible. Can you PubMed yes. You actually can. Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:You can. It is. You do. Okay. So we can get that out of the way.
Kate Northrup:The book is messages in water in case you're curious to learn more.
Sarah Kleiner:And they have replicated his work, and it is in PubMed if you wanna go search it. You know? But when you actually understand the volume of water in our body and what it is doing as this energy battery, right, and doing all these things in the body, you look at health completely different. And if you're sitting there that's that's where I had to get to in my fertility journey. Like, I was in process.
Sarah Kleiner:I was cold plunging 3 times a week. I was outside every morning, you know, blocking blue light, doing all the things. And it was when I started sitting in bed at night imagining holding my son because I knew I was gonna have I had a obsession with a medium in 2016, and a little boy showed up. And I was like, I'm not having any more kids. She's like, well, there's a little boy here for you.
Sarah Kleiner:And I was like, okay. She's like, he's jumping up and down. He says he's healthy. And I'm like, okay. And I was like, but I'm not having any more kids.
Sarah Kleiner:And then she's like, well, he just got onto your side, and he is, like, with you. And he's like, I will just, like, stay with you. If you wanna bring me here, just know that I'm gonna be healthy, and you don't have to worry about that part. But I'm just gonna stay with you. So if you wanna bring me here, cool.
Sarah Kleiner:If not, I'll be with you. And I just never could get that out of my head. And so all the time I was going through all this fertility stuff, I kept remembering this little boy. And it wasn't until I actually started sitting in bed at night after my meditation, and I would just pretend to, like, cradle a little baby boy and just feel myself holding him and all the emotions of having this little boy and then pregnant. You know?
Sarah Kleiner:And then when I found out it was a boy, I was like, oh my gosh. This is real. Like, this is like, all of it's you know? So that, you can't process. That, you can't have a strategy for that spiritual element.
Sarah Kleiner:And if you wanna live by your diagnosis, which I get people a lot, I have this. I have mold. I have parasites. I have this. I have that.
Sarah Kleiner:I'm like, whew, honey. Yeah. Yes. But you know what? Like, you are making this your person, and you are carrying this with you, And that is not your body.
Sarah Kleiner:As long as you're hearing those messages, that water inside of your body is listening to it. And so, yeah, there is that piece that we had to do with our ladies of really getting them out of, like, I'm infertile. I you know? Like, I'm this we you have to let go of that. We have to really do the identity work.
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Because on a on a, you know, on a quantum level, our frequency, the the the note that our insides are playing is going to be the note that our outside Yeah. Is experiencing as well. Yeah. Yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:There's there's I mean, you do an amazing job talking about this with manifesting things in your life Yeah. And your business and just like but our health is the same.
Kate Northrup:Oh, yeah.
Sarah Kleiner:You know? Yeah. But people are like, let's do the money, and I'll just Well, it's
Kate Northrup:so interesting the other day because, you know, when you begin to learn to regulate your nervous system and signal safety to your body, there are so many positive health outcomes. Yes. Obviously 100%. And, you know, I know of all this data. It's not what I teach about, but I did ask the other day in our relaxed money community, and so many people are having shifts physically
Sarah Kleiner:Amazing.
Kate Northrup:With various symptoms and various issues that they have, and they signed up for a money course. But the great news is, like, when you work on your energetics, everything improves. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god.
Kate Northrup:I could talk to you for hours. This is amazing. Thank you so much for Yeah. Your depth of knowledge and for bringing information to the to people that is not common. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But it's very effective. Yeah. And I'm I'm really grateful. I'm really grateful for even the small amount that I've implemented. I've had incredible results.
Kate Northrup:I feel so much better just the shifts in with the light specifically, but also the way I'm really thinking about metabolism and and thinking about myself as a light being and how that's connected to my ability to produce energy and to turn food and light into energy in my body. So, the applications for it are are so wide and vast in terms of our ability to show up in our lives and infuse our work and our relationships and our families with that light as well. So thank you for being, like, a bringer of the lights and being here today.
Sarah Kleiner:Thank you. It's been fantastic. And it's to me, it's just, like, such a great way of looking at health because the functional medicine stuff also didn't work. And I think that's where a lot of people go is like, alright. Allopathic didn't work.
Sarah Kleiner:Let me go to functional and start all these supplement protocols and start all these diets and stuff. And then they're just kinda spinning out. And I'm like, we need to kind of go even higher level. Higher level. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Like Yeah. Like, what are we really? Who are we really? We are light beings.
Sarah Kleiner:We think that we're be, like, biochemical, put something in and get something out. The body just doesn't work that way.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. It's too, reductionist. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing.
Kate Northrup:Amazing. Okay. So where can people go if they wanna learn more about your work, your app, your courses, your podcast, all of that?
Sarah Kleiner:Yeah. So it's, www.sarahclinerwellness.com is my main website. I've got a ton of free resources that'll tell you how to
Kate Northrup:generosity with your free resources is insane. Oh, thank you. I would just like to say when I download, like, those free guides you create, I'm like, I cannot believe I didn't pay for this. Unbelievable. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So you just have to say that.
Sarah Kleiner:Thank you. Yeah. I've got all kinds of free guides. Amazing. I love doing free stuff.
Sarah Kleiner:You know, it's energetics. Right? Like and the people that are ready to invest and put that energy into more investment, we've got courses.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Sarah Kleiner:Doing an app called the MyCircadian app, which will be, like, a little hub where you can tell what the luxe is in the room that you're in, and what time is sunrise, what time is UVA, what time is UVB, how much vitamin d am I making right now, or can I make it? And we're even gonna put a little moon tracker. We've got yes. We I'm like, we have to have a moon tracker
Kate Northrup:Thank you.
Sarah Kleiner:In there. It's very important.
Kate Northrup:So you have complete solar and lunar access points?
Sarah Kleiner:Yes. We're gonna know what's going on. Okay.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Cool. Amazing. Yeah. Thank you, Sarah.
Kate Northrup:Thanks for being
Sarah Kleiner:Thank you.
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