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A Marvel Rivals Podcast hosted by Coach Mills and CaptainCoach, two creator and educators for Marvel Rivals. We discuss all things Rivals including META, balance and the future of development. We will often debate controversial topics that surround the game and plan to bring on many exciting guests from pros to devs!!!
Coach Mills (00:00.49)
What's up, everybody, and welcome to a brand new ClearComms podcast. Today we are doing a special support episode where we're going to be talking to three top support players and getting the community feedback versus actual support player opinions. And there are three guests. First off, I want to talk about the returning guest, Emma Liaya. Thank you so much for coming back. It's been a long time since you've been on. Yeah.
Emiliath (00:22.876)
Ai Yes. I think last time people hated I was a cloak and dagger player, so I play everything! By the way, I just didn't mention that for some reason. I was just like, I like cloak and dagger.
CaptainCoach (00:23.684)
MoonKiller (00:24.642)
Yay!
OtakuNot (00:25.333)
Ooh.
CaptainCoach (00:31.536)
There's a lot of that going around.
Coach Mills (00:31.72)
They they did, they did. No, I I I I d d don't don't worry, people are loving Cloak and Dagger right now. everyone no it's kidding. There's a lot, there's a lot. and then for the first time on the pod, we have top rank support player, competitive grinder and streamer Otakunot. Thank you so much for coming by on the pod. and and last so not least
Emiliath (00:41.404)
Yeah. I mean right, right, right.
OtakuNot (00:41.937)
Ooh yeah, yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (00:55.694)
you
CaptainCoach (00:56.208)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (00:57.558)
Hey guys.
Coach Mills (01:01.534)
We have another top rank support player. Moonkiller. Thank you for making some time to come on the pod for us. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:08.706)
Yeah. Did you two wanna introduce yourself, Otakunot since you're new, first time on the pod, you're history playing rivals and gaming, streaming, all that stuff.
OtakuNot (01:18.077)
yeah. I've been playing the game since it came out. started taking it pretty serious when I started streaming about eight months ago now. And rank sucks, but I still grind it every day. I I queue with coach, I always run into Moonkiller and Malaya, their go-to supports. But yeah, I'm excited to talk about this new season and what I hate and what I don't like about it. So I always said two things. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:30.4)
Ha ha ha
CaptainCoach (01:40.56)
Hell yeah. Awesome, awesome. And then Moonkiller?
MoonKiller (01:44.814)
Hi, I started the game around season 2 or 2 and a half. I came from Valoran, I was immortal in Valoran, and then I came over to this game. yeah, so guess newer than the average player in the higher helo scene maybe, but grinding it I guess, started streaming again 5 months ago? 4 months ago? Somewhere around that. Yeah, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:56.091)
Nice.
Emiliath (01:56.956)
CaptainCoach (02:10.915)
Hell yeah. Forgot to mention your rank rank one LARPR too.
MoonKiller (02:13.908)
I I do- you guys will hear a few different voices coming out of me today once I once I wake up a bit.
CaptainCoach (02:19.439)
I do that too. all right, well Okay, chill. Yeah, yeah. all right, so this is probably a question you've all heard before. I figure I'd start the podcast off with it and see what y'all say. where are my heels? What's going on with that? What what so what would your be advice be to people who are saying where are my heels in in a game? I feel like that's
OtakuNot (02:20.852)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:23.06)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:24.351)
we know.
Emiliath (02:38.461)
Mm.
Emiliath (02:45.971)
positioning, check your positioning, stop face tanking, six people's damage.
Coach Mills (02:46.848)
Probably all hear that like every game, at least like multiple times a game.
OtakuNot (02:48.807)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:48.822)
Every game.
CaptainCoach (02:51.375)
Ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (02:52.893)
Yeah, it's really just positioning. I feel like this game or where it's you pressing cue rather than your positioning skills and aiming. So I feel like just position yourself better and I'll heal you. And I'll look at the scoreboard before I heal you too. So yeah.
Emiliath (03:02.642)
Hundred percent.
MoonKiller (03:05.517)
You
CaptainCoach (03:07.343)
So is that just like playing off of walls, playing more in front of you?
Emiliath (03:07.619)
Mm.
MoonKiller (03:12.206)
Playing environment, yeah, like people... I feel like people don't play behind walls or like... I don't know, I feel like people are like confused on when to like peek and when not to peek as well. Or noticing... Yeah, this season 2. Knowing there's like a high output of damage and they're still like peeking into things they definitely shouldn't be peeking into or like... Or like your supports are probably getting dove by like four people. Like maybe Chill. Check on your supports.
Emiliath (03:23.941)
Especially this season.
OtakuNot (03:26.217)
Yeah. Very neutral play.
OtakuNot (03:38.101)
Yeah.
Well you come from Valerie and that's even harder. You get shot once you're dead. Like there's more there's way more positioning in that game. Yeah. Exactly.
MoonKiller (03:43.759)
Yeah, you get shot once you're dead, that's why... Exactly, so like I always got confused when people were like, why it's like, punish your ult and I'm like, dog, there's a wall right there for you. I don't know why we're not behind it, yeah.
Emiliath (03:45.209)
Yeah. That was why I stopped playing that game.
Coach Mills (03:56.158)
And
CaptainCoach (03:56.174)
Yeah I
Coach Mills (03:58.911)
And so y'all are most likely like constantly run into this this thing where D PS players or tank players, they feel like you can just keep them alive through anything, right? Like no matter what mistakes they do or what they make. And some probably even expect it of you. So w what do you what do you do like to combat that? Is there like a certain amount of I'm gonna just try to keep this person alive even though they're out of position? Is there ever like a we're just gonna let them go? Like this it's a lost cause? Like what what do you what do you what do how do you
MoonKiller (04:13.879)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (04:27.456)
It depends on the vibe sometimes. Like Yes, yes, it depends on the vibe sometimes, you know. If it's somebody that's repeatedly like feeding, sometimes it's an unlucky death, and you're like, okay, maybe I did something wrong there. Let me try to focus them more next time. But if they're doing it over and over again, you're like, they're kind of a lost cause. Like, I'm not gonna put all my resources in them anymore, you know?
OtakuNot (04:27.783)
It Yeah, that's who. Also Yeah, the five, the five.
MoonKiller (04:29.89)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (04:31.245)
The vibe is decides who lives and who dies? my god, wait, this
Coach Mills (04:33.968)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (04:36.885)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (04:52.235)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (04:55.907)
That's valid. Yeah, I yeah, go ahead.
OtakuNot (04:56.959)
I feel or I I was gonna say it's like a lot of it is just I think the most value you can get in a game, especially like game like this, is getting kills. If someone's gonna die and we're on defense but I can secure two kills, that's more value than keeping this one person that may not be doing well. So it's all about value in like trading what your your win and loss is, you know. So that's true.
CaptainCoach (05:17.891)
Yeah, Otaku, I noticed when you play, you you you tend to move up very aggressively when fights you you kind of I I noticed you you notice like a momentum shift and then you are able to really like push in and like be on checkpoint. You you you you help kill people a lot. Like what would be your advice to people who may are unable to measure that risk right away? Like what are some methods that you use to assess, like, okay, I'm going to go and be aggressive here versus sit back and maybe not go for those kills?
OtakuNot (05:23.787)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (05:47.156)
Yeah, I think it's a lot about like being aware of where your teammates are. If you have people that can check certain angles so you're safe in this one zone while your DPS is over here, your tanks over here. And you can example your Luna, when people clap, you have so much value doing that. You can DPS while healing your whole team and walk up and pressure them. I feel like it's mostly just being aware of like a
breakables too, like walls that are broken. Some people don't take advantage of how broken the maps are. You can literally hit without taking any damage from your side, you know what mean? So I think it's just stuff like that.
CaptainCoach (06:12.791)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (06:18.999)
I remember a game the other day you were hiding behind that wall up on the Yigdersnell map and I punched it and I'm like, wait, whoops, like I just like gave gave away her spot. I I'm sure you remember that. I'm like, whoops. Yeah. I I remember saying I'm like, she's gonna get pissed at me. Yeah, I'm just so used to just punching everything in front of me. it's like, wait, she's actually using this for cover, like cleverly. And I I'm like, Okay, that's that's that's something I don't always see, you know, and and I thought it was really cool.
OtakuNot (06:25.825)
Yeah. I remember, yeah. No I do. I r I was like, right, yeah, he's not getting healed, no.
Emiliath (06:26.705)
Mm.
OtakuNot (06:38.773)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (06:45.695)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (06:48.362)
So I wanted to grab from the the list. So I explained before the pod, but for those listening in, there's a list of these are just takes, community sentiments, hot takes, and different things that the community members believe, but not necessarily the people on the pod believe. and the first one I want y'all to either, you know, agree, disagree, debate is the the quote, support is the strongest role in season nine. What do y'all think about that?
OtakuNot (07:15.871)
Who wants to take that first?
Emiliath (07:16.475)
Yeah, we can start maybe from like left to right, or right to left, like one percent at a time.
Coach Mills (07:21.748)
No, Moonkiller, do you wanna start on that? What do you think?
MoonKiller (07:26.297)
Um... Oh god, I have no idea.
OtakuNot (07:29.651)
I can if you want. Okay.
MoonKiller (07:31.564)
Yeah, you can definitely go, yeah.
OtakuNot (07:34.302)
supports are broken this patch. I mean, you see me, I'm still able to play hyper aggressive and supports still have the strongest ults in the game. But I think people aren't taking consideration how ult charge got nerfed. So yeah, like I'm not getting my ult every forty five seconds, but I'm getting it every minute and fifteen or whatever. your ult can still save so much stuff. Like it's one of the most broken ults in any game. I used to play Overwatch and support ults compared to that is like
totally different, you know. But tanks have a pretty good this season too. There's a lot more variety. Same with D P S. I feel like everyone just kinda got a boost to neutral play and support ults are still broken. So yeah.
Coach Mills (08:17.076)
I w I will say before I let y'all continue the questions, we had three DPS players on the pod last time and we asked them kind of a similar question and they said that off tank is the strongest role in season nine. They thought that like venoms and caps and thors and hulks and angelas like the strongest. That's what that's what they thought. So anyways, y'all can keep going. what do you think, Edmoleth?
MoonKiller (08:24.014)
Mm.
Emiliath (08:41.147)
I mean I don't feel that way in my personal experience right now. I think Mantis is by far. I think Mantis is amazing. I think Adam is very good. I think Gambit's still very good. but like a lot of the supports kind of fell behind a little bit. Like I feel like they were more broken in the previous seasons than this season. if you if you take out Mantis, Gambit, and Adam, I feel like those are like exemptions always.
MoonKiller (08:47.788)
Yeah, this is true.
CaptainCoach (09:03.47)
I agree.
OtakuNot (09:04.693)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (09:05.149)
I agree.
Emiliath (09:11.443)
I don't know. I just I think DPS got really good team ups and like they just determine so much of the game, especially in neutral right now. And like as a support, I'm seeing like the damage burst is so high this season. Like people just explode in front of you before you can do anything. And I feel like because that neutral is so strong, like DPS have become a lot stronger. But I I definitely see the argument for
like Venom and Thor and Angela. Angela is really annoying right now in my opinion.
CaptainCoach (09:47.351)
I appreciate you leaving out Hulk there. Thank you.
OtakuNot (09:47.681)
True.
Coach Mills (09:49.024)
Definitely Hulk.
MoonKiller (09:49.426)
Hahaha
Emiliath (09:50.227)
I mean Hook's Hoa's kinda like in between for me. I don't think he's like that insane.
CaptainCoach (09:51.34)
MoonKiller (09:52.94)
Hook's almost there, pushing it. I guess it kinda just like-
OtakuNot (09:54.997)
He's annoying. He's annoying.
Emiliath (09:56.688)
Yeah, he can be a pest, but
CaptainCoach (09:59.268)
I'm offended by that.
OtakuNot (09:59.392)
Yeah. I'm sorry.
Coach Mills (10:00.285)
Ha ha ha
MoonKiller (10:02.774)
I don't know. I guess it kind of just is based off of who can enable your DPS the most. So if it's like your off tank is taking up space on the lanes holding other DPS from getting to your backline, then that's good, right? But if it's your supports that are enabling your DPS as well, then people are gonna say it's broken as well, right? So you have the characters that you already named, like Mantis,
Emiliath (10:08.199)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (10:09.719)
Mm.
MoonKiller (10:28.92)
whatnot whatnot and then for the tanks like off tanks are also really strong so I feel like there is like a just who can enable the best like comp wise as well I feel like I wasn't too sure like how I could say like it's just one role and I feel like it's kind of honestly it's I feel like it's pretty like balanced like along who has like yeah who has like the better comp too
Emiliath (10:38.617)
I agree with that, yeah. Like the team ups.
OtakuNot (10:39.808)
Yeah.
Emiliath (10:57.767)
I kind of agree with that. It just feels like more comp dependent with the team ups and stuff.
MoonKiller (10:58.932)
Yeah, it's kind of hard. Yeah, for sure.
OtakuNot (11:03.53)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (11:03.535)
Yeah, well so you you mentioned Mantis then. I did wanna get all your takes on Mantis kinda being like a duo healer now, but I g I guess we could talk about that if you wanted to
MoonKiller (11:11.23)
So good.
OtakuNot (11:12.747)
She's broken. Just she's so good, yeah.
Emiliath (11:12.915)
She is, yeah.
Coach Mills (11:12.946)
And sh and just and yeah. And one thing I wanted to point out, just just so we kind of I I've been looking into a lot of the stats in Celestial Plus lobbies and it's like Invis is like s s slightly sub fifty percent, which is fine. Luna is slightly sub fifty percent, which is okay. And then cloak and dagger is like quite a bit sub fifty percent. And then we have mantis at like a fifty nine percent win rate. These are all win rates. So mantis is
MoonKiller (11:28.142)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (11:38.296)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (11:41.237)
Like if we look at the data before nine point Mantis basically stole like win rates from every support, and now Mantis is winning at like a higher percentage per pick rate than we've probably seen in like almost any season. So with that context, how do y'all feel about Mantis? Do you like supports like Mantis being meta or the best support in the game? Do you think it takes away from support's identity? How how do y'all feel about like a Mantis meta?
OtakuNot (12:10.343)
for me, I feel like we've kind of always been in a mantis meta. I mean triple support's just always in every game. I think it's nice that you can run mantis in a duo support and not have a triple support, but
I mean, she's strong. I like I guess I'm happy for all the Mantis players. I feel Mantis pretty often too, but I feel like it's a lot different with when we're talking about like comp play, low Elo, high Elo or Ignite. You know what I mean? There's a lot of different ways that some characters are more broken than others in certain roles. But I think she's strong and I think she'll just with her baseline of damage boosting, a teammate's gonna always be strong. So yeah.
CaptainCoach (12:52.151)
Yeah, no, I I personally really like the change to Mantis. I I play Mantis a little bit. Otaku that playing with you was actually the first one I did on on the new patch. so that that was fun. I healed with Otaku and I felt like before the update you could still run her in a two healer comp, but it was kind of you know, like what Moon was saying, you need more of like a specific comp. And I I I always thought she was like really good into brawl because she just does so much damage and you just shoot at them all. But yeah, like
I like what you said, Mills, kind of steal and win rate away from other supports. Do we think that other supports need to be brought up to the level of where Mantis is right now, where she's just providing that constant damage pressure, gets her ult before anyone because the of the AoE leaves, or do we think Mantis should be toned down a little bit? Like where's that is is the middle ground there?
Emiliath (13:45.364)
She probably needs to be toned down, in my opinion. I'm always kind of against like straight buffing supports, but I think that's because like Invis got gigabuffed. I'm I'm like kind of going off on a tangent, but Invis got gigabuffed. And I think after that, I'm kind of like sour towards buffing supports because I feel like she's been so strong for so long. And so I lean more towards nerfing supports rather than buffing them. but that being said, obviously I think it's good for Mantis to be.
good in a two support comp. I don't think she should be bad in a two support comp ever. Well, maybe not ever. I shouldn't say ever. I just don't like I don't like that some supports feel like they have to be in triple support because then it enables triple support and like people will be like, we have to play triple support. It's meta. And I find that very annoying.
CaptainCoach (14:25.881)
D do you
OtakuNot (14:36.758)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (14:39.4)
That's what I wanted that's one of the questions on this list that
Thoughts on. Do you think that the support experience would be improved with like a role queue or roll lock system? Do you think a lot of problems in the support role are created through people filling to support, no one wanting to play support, or like, you know, just triple support in general? Or do you think that that actually would cause more problems? So what what do you what do y'all think?
OtakuNot (15:10.305)
I mean, it kinda killed Overwatch for a little bit when that happened. It's okay. I was like, Yeah, I was like, Envy, I think you know this. Yeah. was like I
Emiliath (15:12.559)
Yep. Okay, I was gonna say as somebody that came from Overwatch, I will say
Coach Mills (15:16.638)
Well well 'cause and I I wanted to ask y'all because d DPS players are the ones that like suffered the most under Rolock back in Overwatch 'cause they could never find a game. Well yeah, y'all did have. Yeah, it's pretty much tanks. Tanks are the only ones that had like two minute queue times or whatever, but it was like DPS were definitely the most and there's like support, but yeah. Okay. I
Emiliath (15:25.615)
Mm-hmm. Well, s support did too, actually. Support had really, really high Q times.
OtakuNot (15:31.925)
That's true.
Emiliath (15:34.887)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (15:42.56)
Also I think it kinda kills like yeah, I think it just eliminates like like different team comps that people come up with. I think that's kinda cool. Like you can do some like cran like random team comp and like this is broken for some reason. Like I think the whole team up stuff is kinda cool. I feel like it throws a lot of different comps that you wouldn't have had before. So I think that would g it would get rid of that. No, you're good.
Emiliath (15:43.057)
I'm I'm a roll lock hater personally, but
Emiliath (16:03.495)
I also like having sorry. I also like having the option of like people being able to swap to like a different role. Like if somebody's not doing well in that role, the other person can swap with them to a different role.
MoonKiller (16:09.588)
I agree.
MoonKiller (16:14.114)
Mm-hmm.
I agree with that I don't really have like experience with like role queue because I didn't come from Overwatch but after I started Rivals and I tried Overwatch a few times there were games where I was like MY GOD my DPS is so ass like somebody swap with him and like realizing like nobody can swap with him he's like bro I wish I was like on support like I wish I could swap but I'm like bro like I- shit I wish you could swap too bro like I do like the freedom that like it does bring like I feel like it does bring some more creativity like imagine we had you know XYZ on our comp right now
Coach Mills (16:33.152)
Right.
Emiliath (16:36.861)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (16:44.74)
I feel like it's... I don't know, I find it fun! I might be a little outside of the average player, but I don't know, I don't mind goats. I think some of the non-typical comps are just fun to play, because sometimes it's just so random. I don't understand how it's working, but it is. And I feel like it's so satisfying when it does.
Coach Mills (16:47.914)
Yeah. I thought it's part. I I I agree.
Emiliath (16:49.949)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (17:06.801)
No.
Emiliath (17:10.909)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (17:13.524)
We so some of y'all are in the creator the creator tournament that's coming up on Friday. I think Moonkiller you O Takuna, you're in there into you're in the tournament. yeah, we scrim today and the we walked out of spawn, I was on tank, and they were on like a dino group comp. I immediately go back and spawn, swap to storm, Mikey swaps to like another damage dealer and we just like triple DPS, shred the group walls instantly, kill them, get picks, and then
We take the point, first point on Dracula and then we swap back. Like that type of stuff wouldn't be possible under like a rule lock system, which is really fun. It's like you can just make a comp, you know, out of nowhere.
MoonKiller (17:48.214)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Emiliath (17:51.795)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (17:53.742)
I think like long term though, you will maybe that'll force you into like more narrow meadows though, right? Like i if people w are always able to just swap to the same thing.
MoonKiller (18:01.634)
Yeah.
Emiliath (18:05.899)
I mean, I don't mean to always bring it back to Overwatch, but the reason why it got so hard locked in Overwatch was because a lack of updates, which Nutties doesn't really have a problem with. They're pretty quick to nerf things and balance things. I mean, I say that, but triple support has been an issue since launch, so But they do put out patches that keep the game fresh, in my opinion.
CaptainCoach (18:25.005)
Yeah, that's kind of y you mentioned
OtakuNot (18:27.723)
Perfect.
CaptainCoach (18:30.957)
Right, you you mentioned the you wanting more of those triple support healers to be more pushed to a duo healer role. What what would be your favorite meta then to play in as a support player? Do you so you don't like the triple support meta?
Emiliath (18:43.929)
No, I don't necessarily not like it. Like it doesn't really affect me too much as a support player because I'm I'm on the roll anyway. Like I'm not I'm not the one that really has to deal with the brunt of it. I just don't necessarily think we should be forcing characters into a triple support comp. Like I feel like they should be sustainable and a two support. And I think a lot of them have been. It's just that people don't trust it. Like Mantis, you said earlier, could be played in duo support before.
CaptainCoach (19:11.161)
Yeah.
Emiliath (19:13.883)
It's just a pinna good the Mantis player was or Ultron.
Coach Mills (19:19.966)
Wanted to I wanted to ask y'all a question about season nine. We we didn't get y'all's takes on season nine. So in season nine I mean everyone got more team ups and as support players y'all all got new powerful abilities. How's your experience been with those abilities? Do you feel like it's been enough to like make it really fun and interesting? Or do you feel like it's like other people got too many strong tools and you're like, now you're you know, you feel behind? Like what's your experience about it? How do you feel about season nine overall?
OtakuNot (19:50.946)
It's new. I mean it's new. I feel like for supports, I feel like I mean, you have the Cloak and Dagger team up where she literally has what three abilities and you're not gonna die. I I don't really play Cloak, but I think that's like I mean that's really strong, heavy brawl, dive type meta. I feel so that's what I feel like the meta is right now. But
CaptainCoach (19:53.273)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (20:15.861)
I guess it's nice that there's more options for support players to live. I think there's still a lot of losers that got like some characters that are losers this one is like still Wanda, Wanda. I don't think she'll ever be meta or good, but that character didn't get changed. Yeah, she does. I'm like
Coach Mills (20:29.514)
Wha what w w what do you What so random tangent, what do y'all think about a roll swap Wanda to support? They talked about that on the pod last time. 'Cause Wanda is basically a roll swapped Moira from Overwatch. that's like she shares a lot of similarities. so what do y how do y'all feel about that? Do you do you think that would be cool? 'Cause like I mean it it just feels like they can never make Wanda good, like in
Emiliath (20:29.917)
She somehow seems worse. Like how did she get worse? How did that happen?
CaptainCoach (20:32.845)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (20:41.134)
Mm.
OtakuNot (20:47.007)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (20:57.41)
she could probably do like this like close to the same amount of damage and then also heal and she would be like a actually a viable character and right now she just she's just not really one. What do y'all think?
Emiliath (21:07.133)
I think people would find that more fair if she f because she would feel better as a support, but she won't be like getting rewarded for like low skill or whatever that you know, people would get mad about the auto aim if she were strong. and if she were on the support role, she wouldn't be like ruining lives with her auto aim as cloak and dagger have shown.
MoonKiller (21:27.916)
Ha ha ha
Coach Mills (21:28.064)
And plus you all to get more supports 'cause there's not I mean, there's a lot of DPS and like much less support, so we could balance out the roles a little bit more by reworking.
CaptainCoach (21:31.79)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (21:38.037)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (21:40.759)
Her her shift would be kinda nutty on support, having two of those. Yeah.
OtakuNot (21:44.169)
It'd be kinda cool, yeah. It's just more yeah.
Emiliath (21:45.848)
it would be rage inducing to DPS. It'd be so fun. It's just like Ice Block.
Coach Mills (21:45.908)
They they would
It w it it's legit more yeah, that's actually crazy. It's legit.
CaptainCoach (21:52.288)
Yeah. Yeah, you well, you mentioned cloak and dagger win rate being low, Mills. You said like forty five percent.
Coach Mills (21:59.945)
Yeah, she's a little bit above forty five percent in Celestial Plus, yeah. which is which is very yeah, it is 'cause I think that everyone on X is crashing out about Cloak's ability to go ice into bubble into fade into ice. Like like everyone's losing their mind about that. But the reality of the stats show, hey, this character's actually not really winning all that much. So yeah, what do you think, Kev?
CaptainCoach (22:03.363)
That's a little surprising to me.
CaptainCoach (22:22.337)
Is it is it the fifteen percent global heal nerf? I are people able to die through her alt now? I I I've noticed that a little bit more, but not so much to where I think that's the only reason. Because I know they tried to compensate other parts of her kit, right? Yes.
Emiliath (22:28.443)
Emiliath (22:33.266)
I mean you
Emiliath (22:38.277)
You can die through a lot of the support ults right now with just abilities. Yeah. but if do you play Cloak and Dagger Moon?
MoonKiller (22:40.308)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
OtakuNot (22:42.057)
Enverse.
Coach Mills (22:43.808)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (22:44.077)
Right.
OtakuNot (22:45.056)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (22:49.15)
I have a few games? No, no, you're good, you're good. I have a few games I think this season maybe? I don't know, I don't... Yeah, I don't have too many, so I'm not too sure on...
Emiliath (22:50.449)
I feel like I've been yapping over you a lot, so
Coach Mills (23:01.125)
would you say this is a question to all of y'all. 'cause I think that like historically at least in high ranked play, Cloakendagger has like I understand like in a one on one she sometimes feels frustrating for dive DPS, but like in like co like coordinated settings, like Cloakendagger just dies. Like and this is pre eight point five. Do you think that she's
MoonKiller (23:05.326)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (23:20.214)
She should just die. Exactly. Yeah.
OtakuNot (23:22.592)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (23:23.924)
Like she did get more survival tools, but do you think those survival tools make her good against dive now, or is she just like still a victim against, you know, pr powerful dive?
Emiliath (23:31.696)
So she she's just straight up and she kinda always has been, just like she can self sustain and she can live. She can't fight the dive. She can't necessarily she can scare them off if she gets a blind on them, but a lot of times that can be really hard depending on who it is. So like most of the time she can self sustain for a while, but if nobody's gonna help her or if she can't get to where she needs to be, like she'll eventually die once they bait out, you know, the cooldowns.
MoonKiller (23:38.594)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (23:46.036)
Exactly.
OtakuNot (24:01.91)
Yeah.
Emiliath (24:02.007)
this season is a lot different. I do think she has way more survivability and it's definitely rage inducing. I actually am like giggling whenever I'm playing Cloak and Dagger. I'm getting messages from the enemy like OMG. yes. It is so funny. but
Coach Mills (24:10.144)
Ha ha
OtakuNot (24:10.953)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (24:11.069)
Hahaha
OtakuNot (24:14.779)
While you're in icebox.
Coach Mills (24:15.2)
yeah. Wait, talking shit in Icebox is amazing, actually. That's actually so
CaptainCoach (24:16.728)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (24:22.935)
In Le in League of Legends, sorry, go ahead.
Emiliath (24:26.431)
you're good. I I feel like the reason her win rate is lower is because she doesn't have that like as much aggro as the other supports do. Like Mantis is so strong because she can damage boost and hit hit you know, shots herself. She hits like a truck and she can heal. And Cloak and Dagger have a pretty low damage output. They're mostly just like for straight up healing for the most part.
MoonKiller (24:36.162)
That's true.
OtakuNot (24:37.119)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (24:53.154)
I she's not really great in like tri- I'm sorry. Yeah. I mean, she's not really great in triple support either, I feel like, seeing how that's like a big meta thing right now, maybe that's also like something has to do with it?
Emiliath (24:53.499)
And they will the I mean, they'll heal a lot usually in their lobbies. But
Yeah.
Coach Mills (25:01.941)
clicking day, yeah.
Emiliath (25:05.574)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (25:05.962)
Cause that was 'cause I've been fighting with DPS players on X. I actually made a post I said, Don't make me defend support players, please DPS. I want to s I don't know what to defend. I know, but but really it's it's so funny when I watch a Spider Man player trying to kill a Cloak and Dagger player and they just like they can't beat the loop. Like they can't beat the loop. And it's like and what I say is I say, Hey, duo with a dive tank, and you'll kill them every time. And that's i it's exactly what you're talking about, where it's like Cloak and Dagger can't
CaptainCoach (25:16.111)
What's so bad about that?
MoonKiller (25:16.206)
OtakuNot (25:22.923)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (25:24.132)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (25:29.314)
Yeah, yeah exactly.
Emiliath (25:30.001)
Mm.
Coach Mills (25:35.211)
damage away a target. Like if I'm Venom, there's nothing you could do to make me leave. Like I'm like you need like multiple people to help you. And I also say like I would rather dive a cloak and dagger than a mantis. Because like a mantis can actually like get me killed. Like I'll just I could just die. I could get slept and killed. but like I I I I've run into this thing with a lot of dive DPS's they they don't want to play the team game. But then and on the flip side they're like
MoonKiller (25:41.358)
you
Emiliath (25:42.587)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (25:49.786)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (26:01.074)
Supports pocket each other. Patty cake. What are you doing? To time these ultimates. And it's like but it then it's like, but I want to kill them solo as Spider Man. It's like you can't have it like like the game's a team game. Yeah, right. Like it and so that that's the thing that frustrates me. It's like if if in my opinion, at least in ranked, if you're a dive tank with a dive DPS, like a lot of support backlines will just die. Like they could just die very easily. and Cloak is like no exception. She might stall a little bit, but she's gonna die.
Emiliath (26:04.848)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (26:06.484)
Yeah.
Emiliath (26:10.823)
Both ways. Yeah.
MoonKiller (26:11.054)
Can't have it both ways, yeah.
Emiliath (26:29.583)
Mm-hmm. I mean there's a reason to
MoonKiller (26:29.601)
Exactly,
CaptainCoach (26:30.799)
Spider Man players are still leaving in season one, I would say. Like they haven't adapted
OtakuNot (26:31.199)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (26:34.638)
you
Emiliath (26:34.962)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (26:36.242)
Yeah, I feel like there's just a lot of ego. They're like, I wanna be the one that's winning the whole game and it's like it's a team game. Like, yeah, you can, but it's it's again, it's a team game. Like, coordinate your dive. You should still win the fight. You know what mean? I think
Emiliath (26:40.465)
Yes.
OtakuNot (26:51.348)
people this is a lot of people's first hero shooters, so they're used to playing on cot yeah, Moonco like in Valorant you can one before. Like or I mean it's gonna be hard, but it's I think maybe a bit more skill with it. So I mean you might have more to expand to that. Yeah.
MoonKiller (26:53.462)
I was about to say, yeah, mm-hmm.
Emiliath (26:54.866)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (26:59.788)
Hooray!
MoonKiller (27:03.636)
Yeah, I was gonna say exactly that. No, yeah, I literally was gonna say the same thing. I was gonna say like people seem to have like absolutely horrendous takes because it's a lot of people's first game like first competitive game period and I feel like it kind of just shows when like I don't know the things people like the things I be reading bro I'm like how how do you even come up with that? Where did you even come up with that?
CaptainCoach (27:24.953)
D do you think this game trains bad habits?
MoonKiller (27:28.66)
Actually, I was playing in lower elo lobbies and I realized like
A lot of people when they ping for heals and stuff, like I'm like going out of my way and like positioning myself in shittier positions just to keep somebody else alive and I realized like once I played in those like ranks for a while I accidentally like when I went back on my main and stuff I like almost like started doing like keeping those bad habits I realized like if I keep healing my dumbass punisher through like 5 billion ults and like he's not learning from it like it it will definitely
CaptainCoach (28:03.513)
Who's yelling at you too?
OtakuNot (28:05.172)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (28:05.264)
Yeah, like it's definitely going to keep them from preventing Yeah from preventing themselves from learning and growing like you gotta die like I'm gonna let you die now Like you gotta learn that it's not you can't just I can't just out heal everything You gotta learn how to play your environment. You gotta learn when to talk. You gotta learn what not to push like these are things you gotta learn
Coach Mills (28:06.856)
It it's always a Punisher player.
Emiliath (28:09.073)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (28:12.452)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (28:19.424)
Yeah.
Emiliath (28:24.315)
I do think that's a big thing in Rivals is people don't play like their lives. Like they just expect the healing output to automatically be there for them no matter where they are.
CaptainCoach (28:35.725)
Yeah, that's that's so true, actually. It it it seems like, yeah, they did they really just don't care. They're just they ex I mean, that's ki that's it that is how I played for a while. And I think the well that's actually that's when I was first like seriously pushing rating, that was was literally my strategy on Hulk. I got a Jeff player and I'm like, yo, just pocket me hard and we're gonna go crazy. And what what happened was we would just get our alts so quick. So I I do think there's some strategies that you can do like with that.
OtakuNot (28:35.828)
Yeah.
Emiliath (28:54.478)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (29:03.055)
Because I I like I don't know, I I kind of view supports as like chess pieces that you can't really kill on your own a lot of the time. But I I I don't view them so much as like the same as all the other roles personally. I personally like when I when I play support, I get really like tilted because like what you guys are saying, I'll see what other people are doing and want to be able to help them, but also I'm like, well, if you just did this, it'd be a lot easier. Are you more
MoonKiller (29:10.519)
Hmm.
CaptainCoach (29:32.609)
empathetic towards teammates' mistakes or does it make you like hypercritical of them?
MoonKiller (29:37.844)
I am... I am until they get an ego about it.
Emiliath (29:42.521)
Yeah. That part, yeah. It's one hundred percent the vibes.
CaptainCoach (29:43.56)
So it is yeah, about the vibes then. Yeah. Yeah.
OtakuNot (29:43.622)
Yeah. It's very vibes.
Coach Mills (29:45.396)
The cursor the y'all got the
MoonKiller (29:45.544)
It is. Cause they get a really- some people feel really upset or like they get upset hearing it from specifically a woman. I've had like- I've had like- I've tested it with like my dudes and stuff when I was like, hey like, tell them this, tell them this and it's like, it's fine but as soon as I say something like it seems to be an issue and it's like when I realize like, like they're not really wanting to-
OtakuNot (29:54.643)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (30:09.41)
learning that's okay you can stay down here that's fine with me yeah no actually yeah like I'm in our backline yeah
CaptainCoach (30:12.259)
Ha ha ha
OtakuNot (30:13.276)
Yeah, yeah, true.
Coach Mills (30:14.784)
Yeah, you'll have the curse of knowledge. You'll just get to watch. Just to see all of the all of the the dumb flanks here.
Emiliath (30:17.939)
But I I will say I've been feeling tank lately and like I'm like, yeah. I keep getting so many supports in my game, so I have to play tank a lot. But like I I notice myself, like sometimes I'll just be like, Why did I overextend like that? Why am I face taking all of this damage? Like it's like worms. Yeah, it's like worms take over your brain.
OtakuNot (30:18.066)
Yeah. I usually
OtakuNot (30:24.386)
my god, me too. Yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (30:25.302)
Me too!
MoonKiller (30:31.19)
Yeah, me too.
OtakuNot (30:31.871)
Yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (30:37.287)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (30:40.673)
It feels good getting healed, doesn't it? It's nice. It's like yeah, like it's fun playing a tank because you you feel you do feel stronger when you're just getting those because it it really is like two people putting in effort. And and a lot of times I've what I'm starting to realize is the lower effort supports I have to put into me means I can do other stuff, which kind of leads me to my next question. what do you how do you feel about the regenerative health that's been added? Do you notice it as it
OtakuNot (30:41.054)
Yeah. Yeah.
MoonKiller (30:45.069)
Ha ha ha.
Emiliath (30:52.935)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (30:53.09)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (30:59.377)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (31:07.747)
lifted up the burden of having to heal as many people or do you feel like the damage is so high now? That doesn't really notice.
OtakuNot (31:15.422)
Damage is still really high. Weirdly enough, I kind of forgot they added that. Even in like i like 'cause I mean I've been playing a lot of tank lately too, but or even DPS, I'm feeling a lot of DPS sometimes. But I feel like a lot of the people that did add those health too, they kinda like changed your base health too. I think they nerfed a little bit too. I d I actually don't remember the numbers. But I feel like people still like to be pocketed even if they're our full health. So I feel like it didn't really change ego much.
CaptainCoach (31:20.078)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (31:33.453)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (31:45.335)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (31:45.724)
In my experience so far.
CaptainCoach (31:48.207)
All well then how do you yeah, go ahead.
Emiliath (31:48.627)
Yeah and
I was just gonna say I agree. I don't I don't really feel like it changed. I thought it would be more annoying than it is, but like to play against. But I think because it's just so much more chaotic this season anyway, like it's just like whatever. Like okay, just add to it, keep going.
OtakuNot (31:58.645)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (32:08.538)
W what what one on the pile? Yeah, one on the pile.
OtakuNot (32:09.257)
It's another shield. It's just another shield, yeah.
CaptainCoach (32:13.421)
Yeah, I I wanted to kind of backtrack to what I was talking about right before that, where you know, you see people making mistakes, especially for maybe newer players willing looking to learn support or e maybe even just start playing the game. How what is your advice to them when you as a support player see someone just doing something that they're not s supposed to? How do you keep a a cool mental? What is your strategy when talking to them and getting them to kind of do what you want? Is their strategy in that?
MoonKiller (32:25.539)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (32:43.405)
I'd be interested to hear kind of like how you deal with that. Cause w me, I just yell at them. And that works sometimes, but it also yeah, it it does cause people to kind of throw a lot of the time too. So
MoonKiller (32:49.246)
Okay, well...
Coach Mills (32:49.77)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (32:50.805)
Yeah, yeah. He turns green. He literally turns green.
Emiliath (32:53.597)
Ha ha.
Coach Mills (32:53.769)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (32:56.078)
hulking out on them. Yeah. I mean, yeah, again, it's like an ego thing. Yeah. Yep.
Emiliath (32:57.838)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (32:57.972)
Yep. Yeah and and and and just hate you forever and then stream snipe all your games and no
OtakuNot (32:59.979)
That's sh it is. People will do that. People Moonkill, I think you might have a lot 'cause your personality changes. I feel like you wanna take this question. I think it's funny as fuck, so
CaptainCoach (33:03.009)
no.
CaptainCoach (33:13.041)
Whoa.
MoonKiller (33:17.26)
Yeah, I know. Okay, I guess it does depend on which voice I go with. If I go with the e-boy voice, bro, like, I don't know, they usually laugh it through and listen if I use like the Saikuno voice, like I'm like, hey team, is it possible if we could, get this going and, let's change this just so we can win together? If I'm like half flirting with my team as a boy, like it works, like it works, I swear to God. Or if I do like the e-girl voice, I'm like,
OtakuNot (33:20.52)
Exactly. Yeah.
OtakuNot (33:30.405)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (33:31.257)
Ha ha
CaptainCoach (33:39.327)
my god.
OtakuNot (33:40.126)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (33:42.496)
Is it possible for me to get a second tink? Like they hate it! They hate it! They don't listen! But if I'm just like talking like in my normal voice like my normal voice my normal voice like if I'm just like hey like this needs to change can we change this most of the time they're perceptive to it but yeah for the most part like the e-boy voice does seem to work the best my gosh yeah you need to become Saikuno you need to learn from Saikuno senpai
OtakuNot (33:47.723)
But then they'll message you after.
CaptainCoach (34:01.625)
So what you're saying is I need to get better at LARPing if I want people to do what I want.
Emiliath (34:04.53)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (34:04.979)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (34:05.063)
Yes, yes, yes.
Coach Mills (34:09.033)
I
CaptainCoach (34:09.606)
my god.
OtakuNot (34:09.632)
But
MoonKiller (34:12.142)
God.
Emiliath (34:12.253)
I'll say I I feel like usually f tanks specifically are usually more receptive to things 'cause it's so hard to know what's going on behind you as a tank. So like if I'm like like if my tanks are blowing up because they're getting cut off from heels and I just tell them like, Hey man, they're cutting off your heels with a shield or whatever, they'll be like, my bad, I'll try and fix that. It with DVS it kind of depends. Like it's again, it's vibes, like
I just calm everything. So like if somebody's going for my DPS that's on a flank, I'm like, hey, they're watching out for you, then usually they're like receptive and they appreciate that call, you know? so I don't know. I just yap a lot. That's my advice. Yap all the time.
CaptainCoach (34:56.779)
I I love having a vocal support on my team. It's my favorite thing. It
MoonKiller (34:57.09)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (34:57.276)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (35:00.03)
I actu I did too.
Emiliath (35:00.753)
I think it's it makes it easier for everybody else 'cause you see everything.
OtakuNot (35:03.346)
Yeah. I feel like to rank up you have to. Just 'cause you're you see literally everything. You have you're the healer. Like you have the most kit to your team or value to your team. So it's definitely I feel like the most power for you. And babysitting is another big power. You have to babysit hard. I'll give you two chances. Babysitting after that, you get no heals and I will just start being yeah, I'll be a little mean. You saw it, I mean
Emiliath (35:06.93)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (35:20.688)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (35:22.289)
I babysit all the time.
CaptainCoach (35:27.407)
OtakuNot (35:31.538)
I I get a little I'm like I j I just get annoyed. I think my after playing this game for so long, I think everyone here's probably been a little toxic. Maybe once once or twice. I know Yeah, not Captain Co, yeah. But you know what I mean. It's just tempers can be a little high sometimes.
MoonKiller (35:32.941)
you
Emiliath (35:39.793)
What? I would never. That's crazy.
CaptainCoach (35:41.017)
Ha ha ha What? my god, no.
Coach Mills (35:41.026)
N and not Captain Coach. I've never seen
CaptainCoach (35:47.693)
Yeah. Okay, so we got LARPing, comms, and and a strike system.
Coach Mills (35:51.361)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (35:51.374)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (35:54.27)
Yeah.
Emiliath (35:54.548)
Noted. I do have a burn book actually. I write people down on a sticky note. Really?
CaptainCoach (35:55.95)
Which is like you all had different answers, which is cool.
OtakuNot (35:57.23)
He
Coach Mills (36:00.295)
no way I've I I n I need I need to get a l wait, ca is there any is there any name?
MoonKiller (36:01.401)
my god.
OtakuNot (36:01.724)
my god, you have to send that to me.
CaptainCoach (36:01.967)
wait, I have that too! I have a list. Yes. Wait, that is amazing. Wait, can we he
MoonKiller (36:05.646)
It's like some like mild death note or something, bro.
OtakuNot (36:08.294)
my god.
Emiliath (36:09.267)
It's just very specific things.
CaptainCoach (36:12.077)
We need to read it. We need one at least, please.
Emiliath (36:13.627)
Okay, hold on, hold on.
OtakuNot (36:16.052)
Are these people or my god.
Coach Mills (36:17.456)
Is Golden Freddy on that list? He probably is. Okay.
MoonKiller (36:19.124)
Mmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm-hmm.
Emiliath (36:19.395)
Locked Jeff so I could not play Loki, then locked Loki when I picked something else. Fuck them.
Coach Mills (36:25.817)
shit.
Emiliath (36:28.509)
Didn't upvote me despite swapping to Punisher and carrying, especially peeling.
Coach Mills (36:35.572)
That's crazy. I like that a lot. Wait, I need to start making a list. That's amazing.
OtakuNot (36:38.666)
That stuff though.
CaptainCoach (36:39.981)
Hold up, I I gotta here I'm just just just so you know I'm not I'm not joking. I got my hold up where is it? There you go. That's the I gotta I gotta I gotta I gotta There's a lot, there's a lot That's all you get. That's all you someone screenshot if they wanna read it. Hey you gotta gotta keep tabs. You know?
Emiliath (36:41.703)
It's like therapy.
Emiliath (36:47.795)
you have a whole dock. my god, that's so long.
Coach Mills (36:48.565)
my gosh It's a that's cra
OtakuNot (36:50.425)
my god.
Coach Mills (36:55.55)
Haha he has an entire list.
OtakuNot (36:56.96)
That is crazy. I only have two enemies so far, so two enemies. they just sort like I got po t called boosted by both of They're like, Taco, you're boosted. And by the way, your duos are horrible at this game, so I'm like, is it
Emiliath (36:59.779)
That's crazy.
Coach Mills (36:59.86)
Yeah that's his chillest.
Emiliath (37:03.699)
Two? What did they do?
Coach Mills (37:05.292)
Emiliath (37:16.824)
What is that? Wait, why no I
OtakuNot (37:17.49)
Like, am I boosted or are they horrible? Like, I I was like and I thought it was more funny. They're like, You need to pick better duos their shit. And then they're like, You're also boosted. I'm just like, first of all, I got away without both of and then like i I can't be both at the same time. You know what mean? Yeah, I was just like, All right, all right.
Coach Mills (37:18.887)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (37:19.758)
How is that?
CaptainCoach (37:20.275)
yeah.
MoonKiller (37:26.786)
How is that possible?
Emiliath (37:27.165)
Well
Emiliath (37:31.655)
Yeah, wouldn't you be the one boosting if they're terrible?
MoonKiller (37:31.885)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (37:33.632)
so here's here's a hot take on the list that I'm curious what y'all have to say. It's support creativity is hindered because of harsh expectations. When to old, what to do. Like everyone has like these certain expectations about how you should play. So it limits the amount of like creative plays you can go for and like what other things you can do. What do y'all think about that?
CaptainCoach (37:34.499)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (37:58.644)
Big agree. Big agree. I feel like it's worse in lower rank too. Like if you try to aggressive on envies in lower rank, like they're gonna be like, what are you doing? And then they're like crying in voice chat.
OtakuNot (38:00.029)
Yeah, I agree. Agree, agree.
MoonKiller (38:01.134)
Yeah, it is kind of formulaic.
100%. Yes, yes.
Coach Mills (38:08.89)
Ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (38:09.672)
You're caging, but actually you're wasting your own. Yeah.
Coach Mills (38:12.5)
Ha ha ha.
MoonKiller (38:13.078)
Yeah, no actually I feel like it doesn't work. It really doesn't work. They don't know how to play around it if you do that in lower. Nope. No. They use it as a defensive. Yeah, only defensive. That's completely true.
Emiliath (38:17.56)
Yeah, they also won't push in it. So like it won't work and then they'll flame you because they're like, Why did you ult that? Like what what were you doing?
Coach Mills (38:27.37)
Do you do you think that this is the fault of people that need to just get better and learn? Or do you think that there's some amount of the way that they're designed, like the s the ultimates themselves are designed that kind of like prevent one, prevent people from understanding you could use it in flexible ways, and two, like puts extra burden on y'all, like per like responsibility on y'all. Like the fact that 'cause like one of the things in here was that someone put that all DPS like
DPS and support ults should be nerfed. That was one of the hot takes on this list. Which is like the idea that like if y'all didn't have these super powerful ults like no one did, then you wouldn't have like this burden to like always use it when the team needs it. You could just use it, you know, like if you just had hello ult, you could just like, fuck I'm just gonna press Q. You know, you could do whatever you wanna do. But like when you have like Luna ult and
OtakuNot (39:04.841)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (39:06.382)
Hmm.
MoonKiller (39:09.921)
and yeah.
OtakuNot (39:10.152)
Yeah
MoonKiller (39:19.233)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (39:19.282)
Silacolt and Grudo, like you you have to hit these or else you're throwing. Like this higher expectations on you. What do y'all think about that?
OtakuNot (39:26.408)
I wanna say it's just people are so reliant. Like every person in this game now is so reliant on how much healing you get with a Luna ult or a support ult. If they nerfed it, these people will not know how to play the game. They're like, you're ulted, why am I still dying in it? Like even more. I feel like if we did I think we should. I think the game should have started with less healing. Kind of like again going back to Overwatch and not to bring that up again, but Overwatch ults are more utility rather than burst healing. And
MoonKiller (39:33.666)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (39:41.314)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (39:47.84)
Mm.
MoonKiller (39:51.369)
haha
OtakuNot (39:55.507)
this game is very just you d you do more damage you win, you do more healing you win. Like, you know what I mean? It's just very numbers based. And if they just took that away, I feel like people would just not know how to play the game anymore. Which might be healthy. I mean it'd probably be healthy in the long run, but it would be really bad for a while, I think. So
CaptainCoach (40:09.977)
Yeah.
Emiliath (40:09.979)
Mm.
Coach Mills (40:14.076)
Mm. Do you think it would have been better if they never they never gave it in the first place? It's like kinda hard to take it take it away.
OtakuNot (40:18.406)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (40:19.47)
It would have helped with people's positioning too, for sure. 100%.
OtakuNot (40:21.786)
Exactly. It would yeah, I agree.
CaptainCoach (40:24.771)
What would your ideal s if you if you could design a support alt, what would it look like? Like not worrying about if it was good or not or in in the context of rivals, just something that you personally would like in the game.
Coach Mills (40:30.98)
that's a good question.
OtakuNot (40:31.878)
yeah.
OtakuNot (40:39.104)
it's hard to say 'cause like people hate CC, so you can't really do like a C C heavy thing. Like they're like, my god, I'm stunned for ten which is annoying, don't get me wrong. Yeah, it's just like
Coach Mills (40:43.584)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (40:44.451)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (40:46.27)
No, no, peop people hate being C C'd. People love to use it. I I love I love thing ulting people. I don't like being thing ulted. You know what I'm saying? Like I guess like
Emiliath (40:47.901)
Jubilee has entered the chat.
CaptainCoach (40:48.577)
Your your typical support player
OtakuNot (40:54.644)
Yeah.
Emiliath (40:54.852)
Hehehehehe
CaptainCoach (40:56.363)
Well, I I think it's funny you're saying what what they wouldn't like. What do you want though? If you w do you want a big ultimate that just stuns everybody? Like is that
MoonKiller (40:58.146)
Right.
Coach Mills (41:00.533)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (41:02.792)
I want a one shot ability. No, I'm kidding. Like I it'd be kinda cool. I mean, no, but I'm trying to think like again if old ults were like kind of toned down or whatever and this is a new game, like I really do like Anna's like
Emiliath (41:04.795)
Mm.
Coach Mills (41:05.3)
Wait, that would be a form
MoonKiller (41:05.742)
you
OtakuNot (41:19.082)
What the fuck, what's it called, Emily? Or Emmy? Nano. Yeah, like the nano thing is like just cool. Like you get your care you get your tank broken, you go on the back line, you're all diving with this one person. Like it's again more utility based than just birth healing, which is boring, you know? Like
Coach Mills (41:20.414)
Nano. Yeah, her nano.
Emiliath (41:21.019)
Nano nano boost, yeah.
Coach Mills (41:24.238)
it'd be so sick.
Emiliath (41:33.939)
I feel like Anna is like unique though. Like I feel like she's the only character I've ever felt like I love this ultimate in any game. Like I've ever felt that way. I me too. She's such a good design kit.
OtakuNot (41:41.301)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (41:42.964)
I love Anna by the way. I like I some someone in chat told me today that they missed a opportunity to turn Black Widow into Anna. and I was like, dang, that would have actually been so cool. That would have been so sick.
MoonKiller (41:43.502)
you
OtakuNot (41:44.318)
She's so cool.
Emiliath (41:51.645)
True.
OtakuNot (41:52.66)
That's what I thought they were gonna do with the rework eventually. Yeah.
Emiliath (41:56.914)
I'm I'm kinda like sorry. Go ahead, go ahead. No you, no you.
MoonKiller (41:56.974)
I guess it kind of does- Oh. No, no, you're good. Go ahead. I guess I was just gonna say, like, it kind of does, like, end up, like, boiling down to, like, who enables the best then, if that's the case of, like, wanting, like, a sub-portal that does, like, enable somebody, right? Because Nanoboost, you- It kind of buffs the person you put it on, correct?
OtakuNot (42:17.226)
Yeah, yeah.
Coach Mills (42:17.325)
yeah they take l they take less damage and do more damage, movement speed.
MoonKiller (42:18.028)
Yeah, so if that's kinda what... yeah. So maybe something like that you kinda wanna more enable rather than just heal through everything incoming. Yeah, I see, see. I feel like that'd be cool too. Yeah, for sure.
OtakuNot (42:26.505)
Yeah. I think it promotes like more fun. Like rather than just seeing like who's that character in a Valorant Sage? Like I think she's like she's fun, you can heal, but there's other support characters that like provide utility, location or C C it's just
Coach Mills (42:32.064)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (42:35.616)
So yeah.
Mm-hmm. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
OtakuNot (42:43.669)
Wouldn't you rather like like as me, like as a sport player, I like healing, but I actually kinda like getting a kill more than I do healing someone. I mean I'm like, ooh, let me go one v three real quick, rather than let me go pocket someone. I'm getting bored clapping at you. Like I I'll actually ult because I get bored. I'm like, this is boring. And then I just start ulting.
Coach Mills (42:50.112)
w what
MoonKiller (42:52.973)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (42:55.808)
What it
What what if what if there was a support that go on? Sorry.
CaptainCoach (43:00.089)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (43:00.445)
I do kind of I do kind of feel the opposite actually. I don't mind the support ults that much. I think a lot of them are counterable. I think a lot of people just don't try to counter them. Like Cloak and Dagger can be easily focused at the end of their ult if they push too far. Invis can be pretty easily countered depending on your team comp. and I'm also like of
the other side of I don't like playing support anymore in Overwatch because it doesn't feel like you can keep anybody alive. I actually like healing. I like keeping my teammates alive. I like being able to enable them with healing. but that being said, I love Anna's ult. I think Anazolt is really well designed.
MoonKiller (43:41.603)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (43:42.88)
That's that's interesting you said that.
OtakuNot (43:46.592)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (43:46.837)
That's that's interesting you say that 'cause it feels does it does feel like an Overwatch, not to bring up the game that should not be named. it supports feel a lot more like DPS in that game. Like like there's a lot right. You're d I mean Kiriko is just fragging people on his like they're killing people. They're not really healing. Like like Rival says like yeah. Right.
Emiliath (43:56.452)
Mm-hmm. It's just like an extra DPS role to me.
OtakuNot (43:59.143)
It it literally is.
Emiliath (44:06.801)
And if you are healing, you're like actively a detriment. And I don't like I play support because I do want to heal, actually.
OtakuNot (44:10.152)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (44:14.814)
Right. That's that's interesting. That's interesting. Yeah, I like
OtakuNot (44:15.038)
Yeah. It is satisfying to keep people alive too. Like in MMOs, like I'll play like a cleric class. It's just cool to like, haha, I just saved all of y'all, you know what I mean? But then I like like I like a mix of both. Like again, we're keep talking about Overwatch. It's just Marvel Rivals is such a baby game. Like it's just yeah, it's like what can we learn from a game that I don't like? I I used to like Overwatch. I don't play it much anymore, but I yeah, I wanna keep rivals alive and healthy and learn from stuff. I feel like as a community we should. You know what I mean? So
CaptainCoach (44:23.096)
nice.
Emiliath (44:24.55)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (44:25.678)
Emiliath (44:30.406)
It's the closest, yeah.
Emiliath (44:35.315)
No, same, I get you.
MoonKiller (44:36.642)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (44:40.664)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (44:45.453)
What MMOs do do you play? I know you mentioned you you said you used to play WoW when you were young?
OtakuNot (44:48.608)
I used to play WoW, I dip Black Desert a little bit, what's the other one? Guild Wars too, yeah, so stuff like that. So it's pretty cool.
CaptainCoach (44:52.463)
Nice, nice. I'm a big MMO guy. I'm waiting for a good one to come out. Okay. Yeah. that's really cool.
Coach Mills (45:00.096)
What w Captain Kitch, what would you think about a support that has like a transform ability into like a tank? Like a Hulk transform. Like you're a support and then you then you your your your ult is literally like a tank old or a D P S old or something like that.
CaptainCoach (45:07.821)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (45:12.493)
Yeah, I so I really like the melee here healer archetype in games. I know we mentioned WoW, like Paladin and WoW is so much fun. And and it b it's kinda like White Fox where you have to basically have uptime to really get your heels off. And I I think something like that could be really cool. I don't know how they would balance something like that though.
Emiliath (45:34.045)
That's what I'm saying, like e even with like White Fox, like people hate having her because her ult isn't the big healing circle.
MoonKiller (45:43.66)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (45:44.084)
Yeah.
Emiliath (45:45.171)
So I guess that goes with the enabling more so ultimates.
Coach Mills (45:45.256)
Well.
OtakuNot (45:51.615)
It goes to yeah, go back to skill level 'cause in Ignite they were playing White Fox when she was released. Pre buff they were still playing her and it's 'cause she enables again, Ignite it's a lot more communication teamwork rather than it comp where it's kind of solo play. So it's just I think it's just people who can utilize it better on stuff like that. So
Emiliath (45:58.226)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (45:59.224)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (46:12.497)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (46:14.91)
CaptainCoach (46:15.004)
Moon, did you have an alt that you you had in mind for something that you'd want to see? I mean, we we got there too.
MoonKiller (46:19.48)
Yeah, let's combine every subportal and tangle and then put it in one character.
Coach Mills (46:23.194)
Okay.
CaptainCoach (46:23.321)
Ha ha ha
OtakuNot (46:23.634)
my god, do a spear bomb.
Emiliath (46:23.635)
Loki.
Coach Mills (46:26.176)
Just reset the game, is that what it is? Just
MoonKiller (46:29.454)
When I first started playing the game, I was wondering if it was possible to make like a hybrid tank support character and then I was told Briggs was a thing. So I took back my statements after I heard about Briggs. That was my one ever thought. Yeah, guess so. Everything I had thought about in a new support was literally Briggs and I heard that character broke Overwatch.
Emiliath (46:45.021)
From Overwatch? Yeah. She was disgusting.
OtakuNot (46:45.107)
Prime Brig? god. that was so not fun. Yeah.
Emiliath (46:57.651)
Yeah, she was the reason Rolock came to the game actually.
Coach Mills (46:57.898)
So PTSD about about about yeah.
MoonKiller (46:58.414)
I guess I should never think of another character ever again. But yeah, my first thought was also something similar, like Tanki-ish as a support, but I guess not.
OtakuNot (47:00.603)
Yeah
Coach Mills (47:15.281)
another hot takes on this, I know we kind of partially addressed it, but this one is supports are often scapegoated for problems they don't cause.
MoonKiller (47:23.182)
Oh, 100 % I was on one of my ult accounts and oh my god, I went like 3 and 18 on venom, don't ask and somehow they were blaming my supports instead of blaming me! Dude, I did- I was like after the game, it was like absolute like super low elo, was like diamond elo, whatever, like it was like recent like diamond elo but I was like I was like absolutely trolling the fuck out of that game on venom!
OtakuNot (47:25.608)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (47:34.228)
Ha ha ha.
Emiliath (47:34.259)
Why didn't you keep our three and eighteen venom alive?
CaptainCoach (47:35.309)
Ha ha ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (47:46.538)
Yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (47:53.3)
And at the end of the game they're like, our supports are so ass! And I'm like, and I was like, what do you mean your supports were ass? No, 100 % every time! my gosh. Yes bro. I see people getting like double digit deaths like first half and I'm like, that isn't even like a support issue, that's a you issue and still somehow supports are blamed and I don't understand how.
Coach Mills (47:56.148)
That's actually so funny.
Emiliath (47:59.614)
feel like that happens a lot on tank actually. Because there are times I'm playing tank. Yeah, I'm playing tank and I'm like, It's me. Like I know I'm the issue, but they're like blaming supports. I'm like, yeah, sure.
Coach Mills (48:01.001)
No.
OtakuNot (48:01.395)
Yeah. You should have role played or like, yeah, they're so bad.
OtakuNot (48:11.579)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (48:20.952)
Like if you use more than four brain cells, you would understand that it's definitely a positioning issue, not like a heal factor. It's like you're just getting tapped. Like one tapped.
Emiliath (48:23.443)
Ha ha ha.
Coach Mills (48:26.88)
What w what is what what is this about? What is this about like there's always like these divers that like go into the back line, die, and then they ping like for heals after they're dead like three times. Like, why didn't you heal me all the way over here? It's like what are you talking about? Yeah
OtakuNot (48:27.836)
Yeah I guess
Emiliath (48:31.251)
Yes, exactly. No, that's my face all the time.
CaptainCoach (48:31.727)
Ha ha ha
MoonKiller (48:40.971)
my god. How am I supposed to heal you over there, bruh? Brain dead. I tell them their rights are taken away. Your rights have been revoked.
Emiliath (48:43.164)
Yes.
OtakuNot (48:45.48)
I will not heal them after that. I'm being d I will not heal them. I'm like you're gonna look dumb or you're gonna look dumb again. Yeah.
I feel like a lot of it's kind of like like a social thing too. It's like, it's a woman role. Like I think it goes more into society type thing rather than just the game itself. So that's a deeper conversation. But you know what mean? Like I think we all know what we're talking about, but it definitely goes deeper than that. And I think I feel like a lot of early Marvel rivals is very messy where it became very like, my god, women only play this role and like
MoonKiller (49:06.796)
That is a very different- yeah I do get it though. Yeah.
Emiliath (49:07.611)
Yeah. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (49:10.521)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (49:21.534)
You know, the whole drama that happened with that one tournament, you know what mean? That didn't help either, so it's just kind of like I'm not saying who's right or wrong, but you know what I mean, right? It's just
MoonKiller (49:24.814)
Hmm.
Emiliath (49:25.139)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (49:26.677)
Ha.
CaptainCoach (49:27.428)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (49:31.36)
yeah that's I do kind of want to go down that road a little bit. Like with that in mind, on top of just, you know, your ranked experiences in general, trying, trying to win, trying to climb, what do you think are the best personality traits for a like a good support to have? Do you think there's any in particular? Like for me, like a tank, I feel like I need a certain level of like confidence and and and trust.
MoonKiller (49:52.141)
Mmm.
OtakuNot (49:59.947)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (50:00.729)
Trust in other people. So I'm so when I go into a game, I I have to like assume a certain level of like, okay, they're they're going to look at me. And if I don't, I'm gonna have to react really quickly to get out. So there's like a trust level, kind of an aggression level. And I I I try to like keep my emotions contrary to popular belief, relatively stable to stay kind of like locked in the moment. And I and I do think like like okay. So I
Emiliath (50:01.307)
That's fair.
MoonKiller (50:20.666)
Okay.
OtakuNot (50:23.264)
I have seen that, but yeah, yeah No no I'm I'm like actually agreeing with you. Yeah yeah
Emiliath (50:25.207)
Yeah.
Ha ha
CaptainCoach (50:28.963)
Yeah, so like I maybe in may not so much like personality, but like like keeping your mental in in like the right state, I guess. Like what what is like kinda how you wanna be feeling and and you know, expressing like when you're when you're playing the game?
Emiliath (50:44.155)
I think for support, if you're gonna have comms and you're going to have voice chat on, you just have to have a little bit of thick skin because most things get defaulted to you, unfortunately. And it shouldn't be that way. I'm not saying that's how it should be at all. It's just like something you have to develop if you really want to like stay in voice chat and use comms and like, you know, get better. And like
MoonKiller (50:53.934)
100%.
OtakuNot (50:54.816)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (50:57.73)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (51:06.675)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (51:13.777)
You just have to take a lot of things that people say with a grain of salt. Like I don't put any stock into people calling me trash or whatever, like
MoonKiller (51:17.07)
100%.
Yeah.
Emiliath (51:22.629)
It just doesn't mean anything to me. Like they just say shit.
OtakuNot (51:22.759)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (51:24.568)
Mm-hmm.
They really do! I was gonna say the same thing, like confidence, like a level of confidence, like no matter what they say, like you are there for a reason, like you're in your rink for a reason, you're performing well in your rink for a reason, trust yourself more than you trust like what they're saying, like there's a lot of people, there's also like issues of hindsight, right? Like, which is another thing was, which is why I say confidence, like it's easy to look back and be like, oh, XYZ should have done XYZ, like you should have done this, like looking back, right? But in that scenario, in that moment,
CaptainCoach (51:26.361)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (51:54.058)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (51:55.776)
You did what you thought was right and it's okay. It's okay to make a mistake, just have confidence. You're gonna make a mistake and it's okay. Definitely be confident. Exactly. And you can see it from playing support when you're watching them from behind, you know, your team. You can see it and yeah, definitely gotta stay confident.
Emiliath (52:00.327)
Yeah, you're gonna make mistakes.
Because everybody else is making mistakes too. Like it's not just you.
Coach Mills (52:07.229)
It it
OtakuNot (52:07.254)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (52:14.164)
I I
OtakuNot (52:16.649)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (52:16.724)
I like this mentality that y'all are sharing 'cause like I I coach a lot of players, I coach a lot of support players, and I think like one of the things that keep a lot of supports in the lowest of ranks, like you know, plat, gold, whatever the case may be, is they're like almost overly worried about how their teammates will perceive them. Like they're trying very, very desperately to not make a single mistake. and, you know, that's the thing well first off is like they're gonna flame you regardless of how much you care about not making a mistake. So like that doesn't even matter.
MoonKiller (52:25.742)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (52:34.385)
I get that way sometimes too, I get it.
MoonKiller (52:44.894)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (52:46.42)
And like most of the time they're complaining about things that they don't even know is right or wrong. Like they're just they make a bad play and they want to blame someone and they're gonna blame y'all. And y'all embracing a different mentality. Like I know I'm I'm gonna make good plays, I'm gonna make some bad plays, but it like I know overall I'm gonna make good plays. Like that's why y'all climb up to the high ranks and like a lot of these supports don't, 'cause they sometimes they have it it's I don't I don't exactly know what the right term is, but it's like it's like the fear of being flamed, even though it's gonna happen anyway. I don't I don't really know.
Emiliath (52:50.151)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (52:58.412)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (53:14.412)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (53:14.985)
Yeah. It's just culture.
Emiliath (53:15.331)
No, it's it's a definite fear. I get that fear sometimes too when I play. Like it's just I think it just comes with the role because your ult is so important and I think that's a big part of it. And also just like keeping people alive and neutral is so important. So it feels like a lot of pressure and you're like worried about what people are gonna say to you, but you just gotta ignore
MoonKiller (53:24.865)
It is.
MoonKiller (53:29.72)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (53:31.786)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (53:38.656)
You ever pre-mute a whole lobby? I I I I I I've I've wait I've whipped a Grudo before and I was like nope nope nope no no no no no no we we're so out of here
MoonKiller (53:40.896)
I do. Yes! Yes, bro! Yup! And you go, yup, and you just leave BC. Nope. shit, I just ulted with like three people left alive. Nope, nope, we out, we out, we out. Get me out of there.
Emiliath (53:41.733)
I have
Ha
OtakuNot (53:49.897)
Mm.
Emiliath (53:50.995)
Uh-huh.
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (53:56.3)
I I do the I do the opposite. I'll I'll pre flame. I'll like i i if I mess up, I'll be like nobody bears say a fucking word. that's good.
Emiliath (54:01.948)
Ha ha.
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (54:09.801)
Yeah. I think going back to the like scared of talking thing, I think it kind of went back to our other conversation though about like a culture thing of how to talk to people and again, people are nerds, so people don't even know how to talk to people sometimes. So that's as another big thing. Like
Emiliath (54:09.851)
That's funny.
MoonKiller (54:25.454)
Yeah
Emiliath (54:27.545)
Yeah, a lot of people don't socialize that much that play the game too. Like some of them just like genuinely don't have a lot of outside interaction and they just like Yeah. Or they have a lot of emotions. They could just have a lot of emotions.
OtakuNot (54:32.166)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (54:38.634)
For their fourteen too or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well.
CaptainCoach (54:40.313)
So what you're
OtakuNot (54:41.493)
That too.
MoonKiller (54:44.16)
Yeah, fuck yeah. For sure.
CaptainCoach (54:44.237)
What you're saying is touching grass will make you better at Marvel Rivals. That's crazy.
Coach Mills (54:48.308)
Ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (54:49.599)
Okay, I'm gonna say yes, but I don't do that. So like I I'm kind of like pot, kettle, black thing right now, so yeah.
MoonKiller (54:49.803)
Unironically, yeah.
Coach Mills (54:53.748)
Yeah, I don't I don't do that either, Captain Catch. What is that? Yeah. What the fuck? What the fuck is that?
MoonKiller (54:55.918)
Like following up on that. Following up on that. Like I feel like this game has a lot of like, I guess like banished or like cancelled people from other comms and it makes this comm so much more toxic. I don't think I've ever been in a comm- community where it's ever been this bad. I've never loaded into a game when like, like two- one or two people literally like decide to just throw.
CaptainCoach (54:56.353)
I've been trying. I've been
OtakuNot (55:09.55)
yeah.
MoonKiller (55:20.118)
I've never played in a game like that before. This game literally has all these social rejects from every other game possible. unironically, like, I swear to God, like, I've noticed, like, so many people, like, they just came from other games that, like, you know, they were, like, I don't know, racist, sexist, like, done crazy fucking things, like, and they come to this game as, like, a new slate, and they're just the worst people ever, and it's just, like, it genuinely affects everybody else's gameplay.
Emiliath (55:20.763)
Yeah, yeah. It's crazy.
OtakuNot (55:21.409)
Slurs.
CaptainCoach (55:22.297)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (55:23.6)
It's
CaptainCoach (55:26.627)
Ha ha
Coach Mills (55:26.836)
That's a that's actually a good point. I didn't even think about that, but it's true. Cause th they don't ban people very
OtakuNot (55:28.809)
You're not wrong. Yeah, you're not wrong.
OtakuNot (55:46.901)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (55:47.052)
And it just puts the game in such an ugly state.
OtakuNot (55:49.418)
And then a lot of these people are getting platforms or people like, well in this game they're cool, or like I'm friends with them. I'm like, I don't give a fuck. Like if they're a bad person, just don't talk to them. Like I'm not I kind of been recently getting into Twitter or X or whatever. And the drama on there, people have like documents of like this person being bad, and they're like, silence. No one cares. I'm just like, God, like, what is like
MoonKiller (55:53.175)
Yeah.
Emiliath (55:58.172)
Hmm.
MoonKiller (56:06.968)
Dark, mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (56:11.724)
Yeah, no.
OtakuNot (56:14.303)
I get it's a like if it's a serious thing, I'll like obviously take it serious, but I at the end of the day it is a game, but some things are just if someone says something we have to do something about it, you know what mean? Just be again, people being nerds. It's just nerds. That's all it is, just nerds.
Coach Mills (56:29.344)
Yeah.
Emiliath (56:31.347)
Listen, I love being a nerd, but you know, these people that throw in the beginning of the game, they drive me freaking crazy. Ban phase throwing? you make me so mad.
MoonKiller (56:31.5)
Yeah, exactly.
OtakuNot (56:33.887)
Yeah, look like
MoonKiller (56:37.665)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (56:39.872)
D do you think neties should be more strict with like how much they ban people permanently? IP bands, you know, long term bands, do you think? What what where where would the threshold be for you about like getting an IP ban? If someone throws a game, do they get IP banned instantly? what what's what's your what's your what what would be your if you were like in charge, what would be your like this is how we clean up the streets, which is of ranked?
MoonKiller (56:42.583)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (56:48.595)
A P van.
Emiliath (56:49.831)
Yes, please.
OtakuNot (56:51.294)
A P van.
OtakuNot (56:58.695)
No, no.
MoonKiller (56:58.862)
Mmm.
Emiliath (56:58.875)
No.
Emiliath (57:06.589)
think like repeated and repeated offenses like is fair. Like and I think I yeah, I think the bans should be like heavier to begin with. Like you get a warning maybe the first time. The second time you get maybe a week ban. The third time you get a month ban, you know like
OtakuNot (57:09.374)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (57:11.768)
Multiple, yeah.
OtakuNot (57:12.715)
Things are way differently too.
MoonKiller (57:19.512)
Mm.
OtakuNot (57:25.867)
Have you ever been banned in Overwatch? I gotten so many bans on Overwatch. And I'm I'm not even saying like bad things. I just like I yell at someone back and then I get banned. I'm like
Emiliath (57:29.401)
Really? I don't think I've ever been banned.
Emiliath (57:35.12)
yeah, that is really annoying actually. But I've I don't think I've ever been banned.
OtakuNot (57:37.575)
Yeah, and I don't like I don't say anything bad like that. I'm just like
MoonKiller (57:39.405)
I don't think it needs to be as quote unquote soft as is in Valorant cuz I know that game you can't type like bro like you type one word incorrectly and you get banned automatically I don't know if you guys know this but if you type the word midget in Valorant you get banned for 24 hours that's so random literally so random is it actually?
Emiliath (57:54.28)
Yeah, I don't
Emiliath (58:00.18)
Well that's a s that's a slur. Yeah, it is.
Coach Mills (58:00.283)
god.
OtakuNot (58:00.362)
Mm.
MoonKiller (58:05.9)
That may be why, okay, nevermind. And then like, other things too, like other like body parts are like calling like people, like literally just like stupid or something, like people get 24 hour bans. I don't think it should be like that in stimp, but like for throwers and cheaters, cheaters especially, I don't understand why they don't do IP bans.
Coach Mills (58:07.334)
Okay.
Emiliath (58:07.507)
So maybe we
CaptainCoach (58:08.002)
Ha ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (58:25.871)
my god. People will just like get one account banned. Every pe person here that I like in higher ranks, like we all know this since we're all higher at ELO. Everyone has like five alt accounts. I have three. So it's like I are people even have more than five. And it's like, this one's banned because I just said this slur and good let me go on the other one to say a slur. Like what do you do with your time besides just I'm having fun saying slurs like what? It's just it happens so often.
Emiliath (58:27.217)
Yeah, the cheater situation is a problem.
Coach Mills (58:29.321)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (58:36.778)
Yeah, 100%.
Coach Mills (58:45.824)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (58:53.991)
It's every other game, honestly.
Coach Mills (58:55.604)
Yeah, I mean the ability for people to make alt accounts is like 'cause here here's the reason why a lot of game devs don't like to ban IPs. It's like if you 'cause you share IPs, like they could if they banned like a certain IP, they could like ban an entire apartment complex or whatever the case may be, or like they like a dorm. Like like you're you get banned, that dorm gets banned when you're not the one that did it. And then if they banned individual accounts, people can just make new accounts. So it's like you're kind of trapped i a little bit.
Emiliath (59:21.531)
Yeah. Well, I think the account bans are okay because you do have to level accounts at least. Or I guess they there's like a market for buying accounts, but like at the very least they have to go through hoops to get another account to play comp. Yeah.
Coach Mills (59:36.116)
They could make it maybe a little harder. They probably could make it a little harder if they you know, a little harder to level and so people don't get as fast, maybe.
Emiliath (59:44.433)
I think that's what not I think that's what Overwatch did. Sorry, I'll stop talking about Overwatch.
CaptainCoach (59:47.587)
Well, they're people are people
Coach Mills (59:48.801)
The Overwatch No that they got mad at us last pod for talking about Overwatch too much. It's it's hard 'cause like we have We we it's like the prehistory, you know, you learn from the history. Like the like like it there's good ideas. Yeah. Right.
OtakuNot (59:49.963)
I know, I mean I was just like overwatch, overwatch, or it's just like yeah.
Emiliath (59:51.803)
No
It's just it's the closest game to rivals. Like it's the easiest thing to compare it to.
MoonKiller (59:59.288)
to compare it to, yeah, for sure.
OtakuNot (01:00:03.517)
Yeah, exactly. Overwatch has made some crazy mistakes. Let's learn from it and apply it to a game. Like I love Rivals. I love Marvel and like nerd stuff like that. So it's just like I wanna keep this game alive, whether it's a cultural thing or the game being bad. You know what I mean? It's just like let's learn from this something else to apply it here. So
CaptainCoach (01:00:23.747)
Well, w what changes would you make to the game then?
OtakuNot (01:00:26.557)
like I was saying with healer ults or rewarding positioning rather than damage. I guess I'm like people have a lot of get-out options. We're we're going back to the game now rather than like cultural, but like for example, a hit skin character like Hella, she has a bird, an ult where she gets a free getaway card, and a now this bird is omnidirectional, and she gets a stun.
MoonKiller (01:00:49.228)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:00:49.821)
In Phoenix, she can literally fly. Like that's crazy. Compare to even Blackwood or the on another character, like pre-rework, she could run and jump. And like that felt more like a base character in a game that wouldn't be too broken. And then again, Phoenix is full health alting. She can literally instant transmission and then she can fly. So I think a lot of that stuff needs to get either moved or reworked.
Again, w we can't do that now though, because the game's already in the set way of it, so
Coach Mills (01:01:20.128)
Yeah, you take
CaptainCoach (01:01:21.679)
Trust me s said something very similar to that, actually, if you remember, Mills. Yeah, rank one player said the mobility w he wanted longer cooldowns in between so there was more opportunity for counter play.
OtakuNot (01:01:25.237)
Really?
Coach Mills (01:01:33.652)
Yeah, 'cause he he says like as skilling improves, like mobility creep becomes a big thing where it's like mobility gives you more decisions, more plays, more actions. And so like eventually a lot of characters are just gonna have this crazy mobility power creep, or else they're just not gonna compete. Like if they don't have all this stuff, they're not gonna compete with you know, venoms and caps and spidermen.
OtakuNot (01:01:34.453)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:01:52.042)
Yeah. Spider Man. Spider Man's broken. Like I'm friends with almost every Spider Man player. Like full like Flores, K, like I know all of them. They're all super cool and they're good people. But just like the character itself and K you have three swings. You're hyper mobile. Yeah, it's hard to get a kill. I understand the work, but at the end of the day he's still a really strong character if you think about it. Like he like on paper broken. You know what mean? But
CaptainCoach (01:01:56.121)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:02:00.814)
you
CaptainCoach (01:02:19.981)
Yeah, a hundred percent. I mean you could you could die, get a kill trade and then get back to the fight like ten seconds quicker.
Coach Mills (01:02:24.544)
Yeah, yeah, I th I think I think Spider Man is the one character that supports and tanks are equally frustrated about 'cause y'all are getting assassinated and we're getting pulled off the map nonstop. Like we all hate that character. I get pulled off once I'm going thing.
MoonKiller (01:02:24.824)
Go get back in. Yeah, literally.
OtakuNot (01:02:26.506)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:02:36.192)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:02:38.641)
hate Spider-Man, but I think it's more about a lot of the people that play the egos that they have. I don't necessarily hate playing against Spider-Man. Like I think he's kind of one of the more fair dives to play against. Like I feel like there's a nice rotation with his abilities and stuff. But yeah. It is
OtakuNot (01:02:44.263)
Egos.
Coach Mills (01:02:45.376)
my god.
CaptainCoach (01:02:46.686)
Mm.
MoonKiller (01:02:46.848)
Why do they refuse to swap? Why do they never swap? Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:02:47.435)
They do talk, but
MoonKiller (01:02:58.176)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.
CaptainCoach (01:02:59.895)
You could you could feed me audio lines of like fifty different people who play this game and I'd be able to pick out the Spider Man players just based off of how they talk. Yeah. did Emiliath or Moonkiller, did you want to talk about changes you'd make to the game? Because we we have found that Netty is seemingly does listen to what we talk about on the pod a little bit. Like a lot of the changes we have suggested have been implemented. Maybe w we got lucky, but
Coach Mills (01:03:08.668)
my god.
OtakuNot (01:03:08.833)
Yeah, yeah. No, me too, exactly, yeah.
Emiliath (01:03:09.851)
Or like the chat messages.
Coach Mills (01:03:14.942)
To to to
MoonKiller (01:03:24.28)
Do they? That's cool. Account bans. Definitely get that in.
CaptainCoach (01:03:29.913)
Okay.
Emiliath (01:03:30.033)
Yes. Yes. I agree with the countbans. Harsher penalties for throwers, especially. Throwers just drive me freaking crazy. And they're so abundant in this game specifically for some reason. They're so bad. I'm kind of on the other end. Like I f I feel like Rivals is like a faster-paced game. It has bigger numbers, and I kind of like that about rivals. I feel like
MoonKiller (01:03:35.245)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:03:42.016)
Everywhere. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:03:43.925)
Yeah. Wind trading is
Coach Mills (01:03:46.75)
win trades too. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:03:57.286)
Most of the feedback that people have is like they want everything lowered, they want cooldowns higher, they want like everything to be slower. And I'm kinda like on the other spectrum, like I I kinda like the pace that it plays and I like big number on the scoreboard. I like I don't know. I do think damage has gotten a little crazy this season, but yeah, I don't know. I think I'm just kinda chilling.
MoonKiller (01:04:14.062)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:04:19.794)
It It is kind of funny 'cause there was a lot of like there were some people that were having complaints about like power creep and like like we need to tone down sustain, tone down damage. And then Netties went like, nah, like everyone does more They were like they're like actually the opposite. They like like there's a lot of people that are like we this game should be more like Overwatch, once again, like everything and then they're like, Nope, nope, we're going the in the exact opposite direction. I think
Emiliath (01:04:31.823)
Let's pump it up. Those are rookie numbers. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:04:33.653)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:04:36.183)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:04:39.898)
Yeah.
Ha ha
Coach Mills (01:04:44.53)
At least I don't know if y'all feel this way, but I feel like the game feels better for it. Like it's very interesting how like you can just crank the numbers up on everything and as long as there's things that interact well, it feels good. Like still.
Emiliath (01:04:57.031)
I do think it feels good. I think the I think the visual clutter is getting to be an issue though, with how fast things go. Like the visual clutter is really bad.
Coach Mills (01:05:01.152)
Mm. And and Jubilee, yeah. The the the visual clutter character. I don't know if y'all played Jubilee, but
OtakuNot (01:05:01.675)
I was just about to say that, yeah.
Emiliath (01:05:06.631)
and Jubilee, yeah.
OtakuNot (01:05:07.889)
Yeah. Yeah yeah.
MoonKiller (01:05:08.11)
you
Emiliath (01:05:10.001)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:05:10.467)
Definitely wanted to talk about Jubilee, 'cause I don't have a ton of info on her yet. I've I just Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:05:15.424)
Loki loved that character. She's so fun. It's actually so sad she's like quote-unquote not great because all the other supports are a little bit more... I guess she just falls a little bit weaker than the other supports in like current meta. Like everything else is just so much stronger than she is.
OtakuNot (01:05:16.863)
Yeah, she's cool. She's cool.
Emiliath (01:05:17.139)
She's fun. Yeah, she's really fun.
CaptainCoach (01:05:35.215)
Yeah, why is that?
Coach Mills (01:05:35.53)
Well she also doesn't have she doesn't have her full team up yet too, 'cause she doesn't have the hood. And and she's also, you know, you know?
Emiliath (01:05:35.731)
I think she's a sleeper pick actually.
MoonKiller (01:05:37.814)
Yeah. That is true, that is true.
OtakuNot (01:05:39.893)
That is true.
CaptainCoach (01:05:41.335)
Mm.
Emiliath (01:05:41.917)
I th I think people are sleeping on her. I feel like Yeah, agree.
OtakuNot (01:05:43.913)
It's like White Fox. People said that she was bad. It's just like just learn like we just need to learn how to play and how to play around her. And
Emiliath (01:05:49.874)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:05:50.688)
I was gonna say, I did find her like...
Coach Mills (01:05:51.06)
That what would you think, Moonkiller?
MoonKiller (01:05:55.532)
decent with like some dive cuz when they do go in you blind them right they're vulnerable and then you get like the little proc on them and you lowkey beam them and they die which is really nice it's really fun and satisfying when that happens cuz like like cloak and dagger was it's almost like cloak and dagger bubble where you get your self healing right but you can also fight back which i found was like a lot of people said she was like super like you know super successful to dive but like
Emiliath (01:06:05.383)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:06:06.145)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:06:22.003)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:06:22.542)
I didn't think it was as bad as it was for other characters and I genuinely thought that was pretty cool. 100 % yeah, just like some dive.
Emiliath (01:06:28.775)
Yeah, it probably also depends on the dive too, like Yeah. Yeah, I agree.
OtakuNot (01:06:29.174)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:06:33.26)
think Brawls her stronger suit 'cause she gets her ult really fast. If you place everything like like in s like yeah, it's broken. So I think Brawl's where she excels at and a lot of the meta is like that we're seeing a lot of Hulk. Even I'm not sure if he's if he's a bad strength now, but we do see a lot of Hulk, Venom, characters like that. So I think she helps that out a lot. And she puts pressure. Again, damage is a huge thing more than healing sometimes. So she does damage.
MoonKiller (01:06:38.348)
Really fast.
Emiliath (01:06:39.569)
Yeah, you get it so fast, it's crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:07:02.681)
So do you do you just wanna put down that big firework and go and stand in it, like with your tanks and fight with them, or you kinda throw it like play farther back?
MoonKiller (01:07:02.688)
Mm-hmm, lots.
OtakuNot (01:07:11.319)
Emiliath (01:07:11.561)
you don't wanna stand on top of your tanks usually, 'cause you'll probably die.
OtakuNot (01:07:14.578)
Yeah. I think you throw a bubble at them. You throw a bubble at them and then if you get dove, reposition your bubble to you. And then I always should have one bubble on their back line, I'm sure y'all do that. Y'all probably play Jubilee a little bit more than me, but I think that's how you play her, right? Like j that's what I do. Like one on you, one on them.
Emiliath (01:07:26.599)
I haven't play I Yeah.
Emiliath (01:07:31.963)
Yeah, you get two bubbles. I like kind of try to keep the maximum uptime on the hood team up. So I like usually throw an aggro bubble that's on my tanks and the enemy team. And then I'll pop it and then I'll get the hood team up and then I'll throw another bubble down and charge that bubble up. and then it just kinda puts you in a cycle.
MoonKiller (01:07:37.762)
Yeah, 100%.
OtakuNot (01:07:41.761)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:07:46.37)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:07:51.201)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:07:52.5)
Yeah, I
MoonKiller (01:07:52.622)
It's very easy to get her right click back. I feel like... not easy sorry. Her right click comes back really fast. I don't know. I feel like I always have the team up as well, like you said.
Emiliath (01:07:59.604)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:08:03.571)
Yeah, I don't think she's as broken as some people have been saying 'cause I haven't seen some videos where it's like, like Jubilee's so broken. Like I get it could be clickbait, but I'm like I'm like, you also have a team of like pros. So I'm like it's just like I'm not like you know what I mean? Yeah, like but like she's so broken. Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:08:11.52)
They c it's the clickbait.
CaptainCoach (01:08:14.207)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:08:16.216)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. She does, yeah.
MoonKiller (01:08:16.462)
She just dies really easily, yeah. That's just what the difference is, think, like in ults and stuff, like support ults, like she just... You literally look at her together and she dies easily. Super, super easily. But it is really fun. Yes.
CaptainCoach (01:08:17.273)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:08:28.167)
Mm-hmm.
It is fun rage baiting with her boop though. You can like pop the boop and like keep booping someone I did that to a white fox. I just kept booping her back. It was so fun. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:08:33.768)
It is, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:08:34.805)
I hate that.
Coach Mills (01:08:36.03)
Ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (01:08:38.017)
Yeah, yeah.
MoonKiller (01:08:39.2)
Or like, booping them off point? my gosh, yes.
CaptainCoach (01:08:43.651)
Yeah, no, I'm not a big fan of that one.
MoonKiller (01:08:45.422)
You
Emiliath (01:08:45.967)
Ha ha
OtakuNot (01:08:46.115)
my god, I'm just trying to like jump away. Yeah, right.
Coach Mills (01:08:49.834)
How do y'all feel about Gambit now? 'cause I know like Gambit is kind of been this like permaband character and maybe is still a permaband character, but there is some community sentiment that says, but Gambit's actually not broken anymore. you can just dive him and kill him. So what what do y'all think? How do y'all how do y'all feel about Gambit in the support roster? Do you think he needs changes? Are you happy his current state?
OtakuNot (01:09:09.001)
It's sh for me, I think he's still really broken. His team up is really good with the mag ones really good. yeah, like you can if you're n it's broken you can like if you're in a secluded area, you can block them off from their team and you isolate them. Like I was doing that in our scrims earlier, like you isolate them with your team up and it heals you too and it's just
Coach Mills (01:09:17.556)
The the one that constantly boops people out? Yeah. Yeah. It's so annoying. I hate I hate that so much. No, I don't
MoonKiller (01:09:19.01)
Mag, you had a bub-bubble.
Emiliath (01:09:21.331)
The mag one's really fun. I love that team up
Coach Mills (01:09:29.566)
Yeah, I got yeah.
OtakuNot (01:09:36.681)
It's just as old. It changes the game completely. And I I was filling Cap for our or for a I was filling a Gambit for Teams and I just don't like playing Gambit personally, which is weird 'cause he's kind of D PS oriented. But I feel like a lot of times you're hailbotting 'cause you wanna get your broken gambit alt, so it's like I get kinda bored. that's just me.
MoonKiller (01:09:54.375)
Mmm. That's fair.
Emiliath (01:09:58.792)
Yeah. I think he's more fun with the team up. I I got to that point too with Gambit. I w like I loved him when he first came out and then I was like, I don't really like this character anymore. But I'm f finding out that I like him again with the team up. I think he's got more of a fun play style with you can get kind of creative with the boop. I feel like he's more about like who he enables more than like
Coach Mills (01:09:59.797)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:10:02.893)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:10:07.306)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:10:11.212)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:10:16.696)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:10:20.35)
Exactly. Right.
Emiliath (01:10:21.197)
He himself. Like if I'm playing Gambit and I have nothing to combo with with my ult, like the enemy team doesn't at all have to match Gambit to counter us. Or vice versa. Like I feel like it's just about who he's comboing with for the most part. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:10:22.703)
Mm.
MoonKiller (01:10:26.254)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:10:33.87)
Could be Kaito Boya for the most part, that's true. I guess it really does go down to who enables who the most. It really does, yeah. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:10:40.111)
Yeah. And if they have rogue, I guess.
CaptainCoach (01:10:40.601)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:10:40.661)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:10:40.992)
Yeah, I I mean this is this is kind of a game of enabling it. And y'all paint the picture. It's like enable the DPS, enable yeah, and you could do it a lot of different ways. Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:10:45.792)
Yeah, it really does. Mm-hmm. Enable your tanks, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:10:52.089)
Would you maybe prefer a nerf to his alt and a buff to his neutral otaku to maybe like for you personally, would you find that more fun?
OtakuNot (01:11:00.613)
yeah, I just I just really hate how different the game is. Like when Gambit's in it. It's just everyone plays very like let's wait for Gambit ult to push in. Like it's just I get so bored for a minute healbotting or again, not always heal botting, like you wouldn't get kills, but most of the you're heal bottom to get your ult and
MoonKiller (01:11:08.854)
Yeah, yeah, it's boring.
OtakuNot (01:11:19.849)
It's just I don't know how I would change him 'cause I don't want to change it all completely 'cause it's cool. It's just like I don't know how to fix it. It's just the b the baseline of it is really strong. So
MoonKiller (01:11:23.682)
the ray.
Coach Mills (01:11:30.73)
The the the one we keep running into, or at least the recommendation we keep running into, is like you split it into two sides 'cause he has two decks. So like you give him like you pop his ult, you get to choose a healing side that cleanses heals and gives some amount of sustain or like a damage side that gives movement, damage, ult charge maybe. And so like you have to pick and choose. So it kinda still keeps his identity, but it also he's not as broken 'cause you're not getting all of the effects, right? Like you're not getting heal and sustain.
Emiliath (01:11:46.227)
That would be really cool actually. I like that idea. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:11:55.377)
Yeah, I like that idea a lot, actually.
OtakuNot (01:11:55.592)
Yeah. The damage part's also just broken. I think you'd still be meta with that.
Coach Mills (01:12:00.555)
Well you you would you could then like tweak the numbers, like you could after that, but maybe they should just tweak the numbers now.
Emiliath (01:12:02.108)
Yeah, but
OtakuNot (01:12:04.896)
Yeah,
Emiliath (01:12:05.651)
But like sometimes people use the gamba ult to cleanse too. So like you would have to choose like one or the other, which I think would be really interesting.
Coach Mills (01:12:12.596)
It might it make it easier to counter 'cause it's not like you're like you if if like let's just say like a group walks up and ults your team, you can't just gambit ult them and then they run them down. Like you could gambit cleanse them, but then you're not killing them, right? 'Cause it's just keeping you alive. I don't know. That's just that's just one we've brought up and people seem to like it, but I I love Gambit on paper. I but I agree with y'all. Like the best yeah.
Emiliath (01:12:21.327)
Yeah. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:12:21.995)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:12:26.93)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:12:35.07)
I agree. He's cool, but Gambit games are just not fun.
Coach Mills (01:12:40.254)
No. It's just 'cause of his oars. wait, let's go Wait, are y'all on season two? You gotta be watching season I'm all caught up.
OtakuNot (01:12:41.044)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:12:41.509)
I'm I've been rewatching X Men ninety seven season one and now all I wanna do is play Gambit. I am gonna start it like tomorrow, I think, 'cause I'm rewatching it with my husband 'cause he's never seen it, so we're rewatching one. It's so good.
OtakuNot (01:12:44.387)
my god, yes. Yeah, yeah. And just start to my God.
Coach Mills (01:12:52.404)
Season what my god. Season one I love season one. my god. Did y'all did y'all random tangent, did y'all see the doomsday trailer? Did anyone see the doomsday trailer? Did you watch the doomsday? What did y'all w yeah? Let's go. No, I'm actually I'm I'm I'm very excited to watch X Men one with my daughter soon. Like probably tomorrow night. We're gonna watch it or maybe tonight. She's never seen any of the X Men, so
OtakuNot (01:13:01.705)
Yes.
Emiliath (01:13:02.961)
Yeah. I'm a huge X Men fan, so I'm excited. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:13:05.77)
Me too, me too.
Emiliath (01:13:12.115)
Aww.
OtakuNot (01:13:14.961)
U
Emiliath (01:13:17.009)
I was just telling my husband we have to watch all the X-Men movies now 'cause he's never seen them either. I'm excited. Yes, me too.
OtakuNot (01:13:21.683)
I Halliberry as Storm. I just love her as a storm. She's so good. Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:13:22.107)
man. yes. no. No, I have perfect casting. Like legit perfect casting. man.
CaptainCoach (01:13:25.551)
Mm.
OtakuNot (01:13:30.409)
Also Spider Man's coming out.
Emiliath (01:13:30.909)
What do you think of Channing Tatum? yeah, I'm excited for Spider-Man. Channing Tatum as Gambit.
Coach Mills (01:13:33.706)
Channing Channing Tatum is Gambit.
CaptainCoach (01:13:34.008)
yeah.
OtakuNot (01:13:35.049)
I it's funny. That's about it. It's just funny.
CaptainCoach (01:13:37.723)
yeah, I was gonna I was wondering if they're gonna make it more serious or if he's still gonna have the
Coach Mills (01:13:38.047)
It's
I I I dcause that he was kind of comedy in in the the Wolverine movie, right? That for Wolverine. Like I don't know. I like Channing Tatum a lot, so I'll probably have fun with it. But it's not like he's not really how I imagine like a like in X-Men ninety three, the gambit in X-Men ninety three is not Channing Tatum. Like that's just not right, right.
Emiliath (01:13:45.315)
Mm-hmm, he was.
OtakuNot (01:13:56.031)
No.
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:13:59.592)
I do feel like his build is a little big for Gambit. Like Gambit's kind of smaller frame, like
CaptainCoach (01:14:03.255)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:14:07.405)
I wait actually I have a fun question.
Emiliath (01:14:08.647)
But I do like chaining data mask, but I can't lie.
CaptainCoach (01:14:11.639)
What Marvel Rivals reference could you see being put in the doomsday movie? Like if you could think of like would Jeff make an appearance or like maybe Gambit says an alt line or somebody?
Coach Mills (01:14:21.108)
Jeff! Jeff! I wan I wanna hear Jeff's Olt in Doomsday. I wanna hear him.
OtakuNot (01:14:22.473)
Mm.
Emiliath (01:14:22.653)
Jazz
OtakuNot (01:14:26.677)
I think they Yeah, that'd be kinda funny. Probably something with Deadpool. I feel like Deadpool didn't he already make Arrivals I think he already made one, yeah. But I think he made one in the Wolverine movie. I think he made a reference to that. I think so. Like on the TV, I think they were playing it or something. But I think like a cool character like Luna Snow that hasn't been or
Emiliath (01:14:27.389)
Mm.
Deadpool would be the most likely, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:14:33.676)
no.
Emiliath (01:14:40.381)
Did he? I don't remember. that's cute. I don't remember.
OtakuNot (01:14:51.797)
I know people are tired of Luna Snow, but something more you know, like a poster child like Jeff it'd be really cool.
Emiliath (01:14:56.443)
Actually I think it's really cool that Luna got like popularity from rivals because nobody knew who she was. I mean I didn't know who she was. I think that's cool.
OtakuNot (01:15:00.628)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah. I didn't either. Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:15:04.16)
She might get her own movie. She probably will be in a movie. I mean, will she yeah, 'cause like I mean I mean, these characters are so popular, right? So like they're most likely gonna get made into something in the new X Men. Well, 'cause we're finally getting like X Men in the MCU about time. It's been so long. And they're gonna like branch it off. I still like how X Men explores like more mature topics of conversation, political topics and like other things. Like it's not as like
Emiliath (01:15:06.513)
Really? that'd be cool.
OtakuNot (01:15:12.757)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:15:19.743)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:15:19.89)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:15:25.347)
Agree. Agree.
OtakuNot (01:15:27.509)
Very political.
Coach Mills (01:15:31.582)
before it's it feels like a little more childish, I guess. But it's still fun, but like X Men's more serious, I think, more adult.
Emiliath (01:15:34.685)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:15:38.945)
More relatable, you know, personal struggle, poverty, or whatever you go through. It's kinda like Spider-Man, you know? So which again, I'm excited for the new movie. I was wearing my Spider-Man sweater for it, so I have it ready for the movie. I love him. Look, I have like I love Spider-Man. He's so real he's my favorite. Like that's my man right there, you know? Like I love Spider-Man.
Emiliath (01:15:48.859)
Me too. Aw cu Yeah it's crazy 'cause
CaptainCoach (01:15:50.159)
damn.
Coach Mills (01:15:50.637)
you I like I I hey you're like Spider-Man's broken, but I love the movie. Let's go.
Emiliath (01:15:56.852)
The I love the Spider Man movies too, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:15:57.327)
Ha ha.
MoonKiller (01:16:03.842)
God.
Coach Mills (01:16:03.912)
Wa well when you you go out you buy they're gonna come out with a new Spiderman skin for the movie and then you know, they're gonna come out with a whole bunch of Spider Man skins and there's gonna be more Spiderman than ever.
Emiliath (01:16:09.905)
All the Spidey players will be out.
OtakuNot (01:16:11.892)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:16:13.647)
Well no, she she said she was friends with all the Spider Man players though. You forgot that part.
Coach Mills (01:16:16.145)
OtakuNot (01:16:16.682)
I will say I wish people started acting like Spider Man that play Spider Man. Let's start acting like him. It's just it pisses me off like
Emiliath (01:16:16.989)
True.
Emiliath (01:16:21.491)
So true.
Coach Mills (01:16:22.612)
That's actually super funny. That's actually that's actu I've never met a Spider-Man player that is like wholesome and and like like sp like Spider Man. Like they they all act really edgy and not like like I don't know. Maybe the the happy ones are in like yeah They are they're all they're all Dark Suit Spider Man. Like they're like not a single one of is is wholesome Spidey. that's actually crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:16:24.663)
You want them to be smarter.
Emiliath (01:16:30.703)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:16:31.123)
Yeah, I'm like
CaptainCoach (01:16:31.321)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:16:38.109)
They're the sp w the venom Spider Man or whatever.
OtakuNot (01:16:41.524)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:16:43.673)
Ha ha.
OtakuNot (01:16:50.496)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:16:51.79)
I'm Loki a LARPer, don't know shit about rival- I mean sorry, Marvel. know anything- I literally don't know anything you guys just talked about, bro.
Coach Mills (01:16:55.036)
that's a Yeah
Emiliath (01:16:55.75)
it's okay.
CaptainCoach (01:16:55.96)
Mm.
OtakuNot (01:16:56.354)
We can ask you which beach skin you want to see next. I can answer a few two. I mean I'm like
Emiliath (01:16:58.642)
No.
MoonKiller (01:17:01.774)
CaptainCoach (01:17:02.137)
Ha ha ha.
Hey, the new the new mantis skin, is that why she's OP right now? Maybe. Could be. yeah, yeah.
OtakuNot (01:17:10.676)
Sh.
MoonKiller (01:17:10.798)
Yo.
Coach Mills (01:17:10.88)
the goon your y your goon creep d theory? That they keep they they buff, yeah.
MoonKiller (01:17:16.43)
god.
CaptainCoach (01:17:20.931)
More of a Batman guy, but Hulk has always been my Yeah, I've always really liked Batman. All the Nolan movies, just big Batman fan. But Hulk was always my second favorite. Batman flash Hulk. Yeah. So I was it was kind of cool. That's partly why. Hulk spice it's funny, my first mate was actually Spider Man. I I yeah, yeah. I got him to level ten.
OtakuNot (01:17:22.582)
That one's really cool. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:17:23.419)
Really?
Emiliath (01:17:32.826)
really? Is that why you played him? Like start playing him?
OtakuNot (01:17:40.162)
I was too
Emiliath (01:17:40.175)
Really? It's all coming together.
Coach Mills (01:17:40.347)
no.
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:17:45.878)
Yeah, yeah. I well I so I s I got into Marvel Rivals a little late and then I saw a clip of Spider Man. I'm like, that's a single player game, right? My no my my buddy's like, that's like P V that's a over that's Overwatch. I'm like, Okay, I'm definitely playing that hero. Gave it a try, I'm like, my god, this game's fun. It's actually my buddy who convinced me to play Hulk because he knew I liked Hulk. He's You should give him a he's like, Give him another try. I think you I'm like, Okay then I started playing him. I'm like, Okay, yeah, yeah. So that's not what I was going for.
Emiliath (01:18:04.867)
Emiliath (01:18:09.715)
That's cute.
OtakuNot (01:18:10.689)
That is very adorable.
CaptainCoach (01:18:14.861)
Like cool.
Coach Mills (01:18:15.036)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:18:15.148)
No so that was that's so about us. Wow, that's the coolest thing I've ever heard.
OtakuNot (01:18:16.097)
Yeah. I kinda yeah. I mean it kinda gives like, my god, like it's superhero, you know I mean? Like that's I mean I actually was a Spider-Man t main too when I played this game on I was a console player when I first played the game and then 'cause my PC sucked and it still kinda sucks. But I was a Spider-Man player and then I like it no one wanna play support, so I'm like I already played support before I can do it. So I sometimes will LARP on my Spider Man account on stream. I'm like, alright, let's see if I can rake up so
Emiliath (01:18:23.674)
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, like
CaptainCoach (01:18:23.745)
Yeah, yeah.
Coach Mills (01:18:31.055)
okay.
CaptainCoach (01:18:40.322)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:18:44.959)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:18:45.491)
That's funny. A diverse queen.
Coach Mills (01:18:45.556)
Let's go. Well so how did
OtakuNot (01:18:46.759)
Yeah, I was sorry.
MoonKiller (01:18:47.278)
that's cute.
CaptainCoach (01:18:47.585)
It It feels good to find your main, you know, like feels really good to be like, That's my main, that's what I play.
OtakuNot (01:18:51.371)
No.
Coach Mills (01:18:54.986)
How did you how did you get into Marvel Rivals Moon Killer if you never like really were into Marvel?
MoonKiller (01:18:59.31)
I think a lot of Valve players actually moved to the Rivals back when it first was like the... What's it called? Zero? Yeah, yeah, maybe. What's it called? Season Zero? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Gotcha. Gotcha, gotcha. Yeah, it seems like a good mix of both Overwatch and Valorant players, rejects from both comms, but...
Coach Mills (01:19:06.925)
that's why it's so toxic and rank. I'm just kidding. I I came from Valorant too, by the way. It was it was awful. Well I went I went from Overwatch to Valorant to to Rivals, so
Emiliath (01:19:09.747)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:19:11.279)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:19:13.617)
Yes, he's in zero.
OtakuNot (01:19:16.981)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:19:26.651)
Ha ha.
OtakuNot (01:19:26.945)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:19:27.202)
A lot of rejects from both comms, makes it especially toxic. What was it? Yeah, I don't know. I think I saw a lot of Valve players playing it and I didn't really have a new game to play, so I tried Rivals. Yeah, I forget this is like... Yeah, a lot of like the... I don't know, maybe it was just like a niche thing, but a lot of my friends who were like top 500 in Valorant came to Rivals, you know, away, got bored quickly, and like, you know, quit before like a...
CaptainCoach (01:19:40.375)
Well did have any
Emiliath (01:19:41.011)
That's surprising that foul players went to Rivals. Such a different game.
MoonKiller (01:19:57.262)
within a few seasons but it did seem like it was pretty popular so I did give it a try. Right. Right. All the aim players, for sure.
Coach Mills (01:20:02.624)
Yeah, I mean season season zero, season one, Hella was like the best character. So like Valorant players were just all locking Hella.
Emiliath (01:20:06.867)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (01:20:10.019)
Moon, did you have any like funny opinions since you came into this game kinda blind, not knowing any of the heroes, where people would just thought you're you had like a s weird opinion on something, or was there any h hero that like just jumped out of you? It was like, Whoa, that like what is that? Like or you didn't get that at all?
MoonKiller (01:20:26.606)
I really like shit talked a lot of people's positioning. I was like, why are you standing out here in the open like all the time? I was like, how is this and then it was a lot of like the healing to I was like, holy shit, like I'm just living through a lot of random ass things that I should not be living through. And like, like I said earlier, I thought like a character like Briggs would have been cool, but apparently not. Yeah, stuff like that.
Emiliath (01:20:29.723)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:20:29.967)
Okay.
CaptainCoach (01:20:39.855)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:20:46.222)
Mm.
OtakuNot (01:20:46.283)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:20:48.224)
It it it it actually might be fine, in all fairness. As much as I
Emiliath (01:20:51.331)
It might work in rivals.
MoonKiller (01:20:52.33)
Maybe, maybe in Rivals, yeah. Could be doable in Rivals.
OtakuNot (01:20:52.745)
In rivals, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:20:56.451)
What if there was a healer that you only needed that healer, but it wouldn't let anyone else have healing? So it was like a solo heal healer, like a solo tank, like like mag. Yeah. Wait, that w I that might actually save ranked, if you really think about it.
MoonKiller (01:20:58.606)
Hmm.
Emiliath (01:21:04.788)
Mm, like it takes away healing aspect from everybody else. Mmm. Y this is propaganda, I feel like.
Coach Mills (01:21:10.932)
No I didn't know. That sounds all it sounds like they that one character matters more than anyone else on your team by like a mile.
CaptainCoach (01:21:14.797)
Ha ha ha.
OtakuNot (01:21:14.812)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:21:18.792)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:21:20.365)
I don't know, I mean or maybe I know in not Overwatch, what was the MOBA from Blizzard? Heroes of the Storm. They had a hero you guys played Hots?
OtakuNot (01:21:33.013)
No. I played League and I I did it for the Oni skin on Genji, so I I played hot for that, but yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Emiliath (01:21:33.415)
I played it like one time. I don't really remember it.
CaptainCoach (01:21:39.887)
Okay. Nice. Well that's Onyxia, right? Onyxia? Yeah, okay, cool, cool. Chogol in that game had you it was two players controlling one unit. What about something like that?
Emiliath (01:21:51.379)
my god, that would be so fun, but so tilting. So tilting.
MoonKiller (01:21:52.422)
my gosh.
OtakuNot (01:21:53.867)
That would be fun.
CaptainCoach (01:21:53.87)
Wouldn't that be fun? And it would encourage people to heal, like if it was a healer, then he like, let's heal together and then you had one person shooting one like like rocket riding a groot. It's kinda I think it could be cool. Low key, that should have been cloak and dagger, actually.
OtakuNot (01:22:00.546)
Yeah. That would that could be cool. I don't know how you would That would have made more sense, yeah.
Emiliath (01:22:04.211)
That would be so fun.
It should have been, yeah. And cloak should have legs. And I'll say it every day.
MoonKiller (01:22:08.206)
Mmm.
CaptainCoach (01:22:09.859)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:22:13.331)
Yes, he looks so weird.
CaptainCoach (01:22:13.347)
Ha ha.
Emiliath (01:22:15.603)
Please give him legs so he can have his speedoskin. Please thank you.
MoonKiller (01:22:18.446)
OtakuNot (01:22:18.849)
my god. I'm waiting for a mag skin, but
CaptainCoach (01:22:18.873)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:22:22.989)
Yeah, missed opportunity. Maybe they can just kinda like make floating there or something and still have the ethereal swimsuit or something like that. I don't know.
Emiliath (01:22:30.225)
No, no. Just give that man legs. It's it's he looks ridiculous. Please give him legs.
Coach Mills (01:22:30.922)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:22:35.951)
Thoughts on cap bulge? Skin we're talking about skins.
Emiliath (01:22:38.675)
So so what's your thoughts on cat bull? man.
OtakuNot (01:22:38.751)
Why do they nerf it? Okay, I have a lot to say. I Yeah. We're talking about I d okay. Like
Coach Mills (01:22:38.858)
Well wait, that other thing.
MoonKiller (01:22:40.076)
hell no.
CaptainCoach (01:22:48.993)
I meant more as like the bigger picture, like, okay, what what what was that? Like what was that?
Emiliath (01:22:54.841)
You know, it was equal opportunity goon, okay? I'm fine with it personally.
MoonKiller (01:22:59.776)
You
CaptainCoach (01:23:00.527)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:23:01.045)
And then they nerfed it, like,
Emiliath (01:23:02.863)
The it is funny that they nerfed it. I think they just nerfed like the movement of it or something, didn't they?
Coach Mills (01:23:05.152)
It was it was kind of it was well it was kind of it was kind of piercing through like, you know, you know, hit like the chairs and stuff, like just like like in the way everywhere. I did think it was kind of funny how like people made like all of a sudden like a really big deal about and it was like it's like like once again, like 'cause it I've always had the same argument like when people were against like the swimsuit stuff for like the girl characters, it's like
OtakuNot (01:23:08.339)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:23:08.996)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:23:11.299)
Yeah, I think that's what it was.
OtakuNot (01:23:14.728)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:23:22.176)
Yeah, that was diabolical to read. Actually the stupidest thing I've read in a while.
MoonKiller (01:23:32.27)
Mm.
Emiliath (01:23:33.853)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:23:34.151)
That's that's what Marvel has been about historically. It's like fine. And I feel the exact same way about the male characters, like like make Magneto slutty and like give Cap a bulge. Like I'm down like it that's what Marvel's all about. Like I don't really understand like why people get kind of like squeamish about like this, like I don't know. I I don't understand. I just don't I don't personally get it. I really don't get it. Maybe it's just because like there's like a lot of like younger people that are on the internet that like really care about that p type of stuff. Everything's Gooner nowadays. It's like it's like what are we talking about?
OtakuNot (01:23:42.055)
chained up like
Emiliath (01:23:42.414)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:23:51.808)
MoonKiller (01:23:52.034)
Yeah. Right.
MoonKiller (01:24:00.907)
I don't know.
Emiliath (01:24:01.042)
I do yeah, I do know that like I feel like low younger generations are kind of more like they've kind of gone back more into this is a totally different conversation, but it's gone kind of regressed more into a purity culture and I feel like that's affected a lot of discourse on a lot of stuff.
CaptainCoach (01:24:01.08)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:24:01.299)
Yeah. It's different sometimes.
MoonKiller (01:24:14.721)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:24:16.928)
It's actually interesting. I do I a hundred percent agree.
OtakuNot (01:24:18.944)
Yeah, and I feel like some of the beach skins are a lot more like it's a lot more different when you sexualize a girl character or a guy character. Like, for example, Punisher, he literally like in a thong, but I'm like, that's not sexy. Like, that's not like cloak and dagger sprawled out, or like, you know, like mantis belly dancing. You know what I mean? It's just it's not the same thing. But like what's it I guess the capskin was cool. I mean, he was thick. He had like
MoonKiller (01:24:26.83)
It's like normalized.
Emiliath (01:24:33.073)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:24:33.388)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:24:38.8)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:24:43.402)
Capskill is
OtakuNot (01:24:46.272)
Big butt. I was nice to look at. Like yeah, like I just
MoonKiller (01:24:46.414)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:24:47.623)
He was very thick.
CaptainCoach (01:24:49.581)
I mean that was a c a very clear choice made by them, right? Like
Emiliath (01:24:52.603)
Hehehehehe.
OtakuNot (01:24:52.712)
Yeah, like we need more men being like built like that. You know what I mean? But like a lot of the women are already Yeah.
Emiliath (01:24:56.627)
I'm fine with it as long as it's like equal, you know, like I'm I'm okay with it being equal. Okay, yes. Go ahead.
MoonKiller (01:24:59.094)
Yeah, exactly. feel like I need to LARP in this conversation. my god! Cap- Captain America skin? I love it. They should make it bigger.
OtakuNot (01:25:03.01)
Like, hey,
Coach Mills (01:25:03.016)
Wait wait wait.
CaptainCoach (01:25:03.801)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:25:07.506)
my god.
Emiliath (01:25:09.447)
Help. my god!
CaptainCoach (01:25:11.759)
Ha ha ha.
MoonKiller (01:25:13.685)
my god.
Emiliath (01:25:17.587)
That's crazy. It's so good.
MoonKiller (01:25:19.19)
Hehehehehe
Coach Mills (01:25:20.22)
'Cause I I I honestly think like they're just getting started on like how far they're gonna push it. Like they're gonna make it way But but here here is something that did happen. I don't even know if I should really talk about it, but I'm I'm going to anyways. my so I I I helped manage for another creator that does Overwatch. His name's Sumido. He's like kind of a really crazy personality if anyone knows about him. but his channel he got a flag because we put he talked about the Captain America skin.
MoonKiller (01:25:23.906)
Yeah, maybe. Honestly, yeah, maybe. They're testing the waters,
OtakuNot (01:25:25.939)
Yeah, yeah.
Emiliath (01:25:26.546)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:25:40.442)
yeah, I know.
Coach Mills (01:25:47.999)
And he got flagged by YouTube and they they basically gave him a warning where if he gets another warning, they're gonna turn off his channel for a month. because he put the Captain America like skin in his video. And they were like, No. But it's very interesting that like that's what YouTube flags. It's like YouTube flagged that. They didn't flag any other skin, but they flagged Captain America's skin. Yeah, that's that's I was like I was like, wow,
CaptainCoach (01:26:08.057)
Thank God I don't play that hero. I would have been in trouble.
MoonKiller (01:26:08.62)
Yeah. Right.
Emiliath (01:26:09.639)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:26:12.183)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:26:14.425)
Well, I mean, most people who were fine with the Venom twerk would draw the line at cap. It's like, okay, now Netty's kinda kinda no like I I think a lot of like I kinda well, I I do think a like a bit of like I said, it it is a choice to put that in. I mean they're they're trying to cater to as many different like types of people as as you can with like the skins, like so that you know I no, I totally agree. I I think it's all ultimately profit driven i i in in a lot of ways.
Emiliath (01:26:14.907)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:26:21.056)
They know the line?
Emiliath (01:26:24.475)
D
OtakuNot (01:26:34.397)
Yeah.
Money.
MoonKiller (01:26:41.976)
That's true. That is true.
Emiliath (01:26:42.021)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, one hundred percent.
CaptainCoach (01:26:44.777)
and and you know, it th stuff like that i is I they have to at least suspect that people are going to make s like content about that.
Coach Mills (01:26:51.808)
No, they're they're prob they're probably like in a room like laughing at like, ooh, you wanna do let's try this. Let's see what people say. 'Cause I th I that's what I would do if I worked there. Like I'd be like, ooh, let's see what we can get away with. Yeah. Exactly. It's like that's a I feel like they're having a lot of fun, like just fucking with people, like
CaptainCoach (01:26:57.793)
Right. Exactly.
MoonKiller (01:26:57.998)
Yeah, like pushing, Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:26:58.397)
Ha ha
Let's see enhance, enhance. See how far we can go.
OtakuNot (01:27:01.548)
Yeah.
Two.
OtakuNot (01:27:08.884)
Okay, that one black cat skin though, the race driver one, dude, okay, her ass or her what I can I say ass? I don't know. But her yeah, no, that does it's a botched BBL. I'm like some people are like, my god, it's so hot. I'm like, that looks so bad. It looks ugly. Look no she's like she's arched so far. Yeah, like and they're like they're like
MoonKiller (01:27:12.664)
my god.
Coach Mills (01:27:16.711)
Yeah, yeah, you can see it.
MoonKiller (01:27:21.752)
Dude, her back? Her back is like... Her back looks scary.
Coach Mills (01:27:24.136)
Wait, which w I don't even know what skinny all they're talking about. Is it the most recent? that the the bike one. yeah.
MoonKiller (01:27:31.518)
It's like terrifying, she's like hunchback but like opposite. Concave body, bro.
OtakuNot (01:27:35.55)
Yeah. They're like, that's peak woman. I'm like, have y'all met w like what? I will just like literally. It just doesn't make sense. And I love Black Cat, like I it's my character. It just they kinda gave her the Ember Frost treatment, you know, where they kinda made her like a stockier, bigger character, but yeah, the ass change was interesting. Yeah, very
MoonKiller (01:27:39.516)
Yo!
Emiliath (01:27:39.772)
A woman.
MoonKiller (01:27:43.328)
Literally a concave back, bro.
Emiliath (01:27:44.175)
MoonKiller (01:27:50.412)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:27:55.79)
Super pelvic tilt. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:27:57.717)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (01:27:59.52)
I my favorite skin is I just love every game I ever play, I just always pick the old man. So I play like a big gray beard, white hair, so the maestro hulk, that's always been my no. I I could I could s I could start LARPing if you want to.
MoonKiller (01:28:09.358)
Thought you were gonna say that was for your favorite skin. I was like, okay, okay. Yeah, alright. Start saying ooh-ooh again.
Coach Mills (01:28:11.38)
No.
OtakuNot (01:28:11.387)
he's like, Well the BBL's looking kind of now.
Emiliath (01:28:12.029)
Mm.
Coach Mills (01:28:18.685)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:28:23.535)
moving on.
Coach Mills (01:28:23.538)
okay.
Emiliath (01:28:23.621)
Again? Wait, sorry.
OtakuNot (01:28:24.618)
Again?
Coach Mills (01:28:27.004)
Okay. okay, so how did how do y'all feel about all the drama that goes on in Marvel Rivals? 'Cause there's a lot of it that has happened. I'm not gonna get into specifics. but like we we went from like we went like runner runner from one piece of drama to the next. the the original Kingsman situation, then Kingsman Jitword, then Flats Light, then the J three's tournament getting scammed ap allegedly. I mean, that it just feels like drama just kind of
CaptainCoach (01:28:34.649)
Good time for a bathroom break.
Emiliath (01:28:37.042)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:28:45.961)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:28:55.082)
Do you think that that's like reflective of like the bad I I I don't know, like y y'all say that the that Rivals is filled with like a lot of rejects from other games. Do you think that's true with like creators too?
MoonKiller (01:29:02.83)
The rejects.
OtakuNot (01:29:05.14)
Moon killer, you got this, she got this.
MoonKiller (01:29:07.726)
to an extent I think so, but I think it's just generally the... What's the word? I'm blanking on the English word. Like the... Like the general... what's the word? Yeah, gaming culture itself, there's so... I don't understand how there's so many sexes, but I do think like there is a lot of like... Just like...
OtakuNot (01:29:20.3)
By culture or
MoonKiller (01:29:31.15)
double standards is a lot and a lot of people like to complain about everything and like a lot of like bandwagoning it seems like as well for the most part but
Emiliath (01:29:42.131)
There's a very like there's no nuance in any of it.
OtakuNot (01:29:42.208)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:29:44.514)
Jumpy yeah, there's no like I can understand how this could have happened and how somebody perceived this as this but it's just like It's like to a lot of people. It just seems like it's black and white. There's no like Understanding or like empathy which is also another thing like right now a lot of people are lacking empathy or like I don't know I just feel like it does seem very jumpy bandwagon II and like
OtakuNot (01:30:06.924)
Definitely is. Especially on Twitter.
Coach Mills (01:30:07.754)
Do you think the drama is bad for Rivals or do you think there's some good to it too? Do you think that it's just like pure bad? Like you don't want any drama in the scene or do you think there's like like some amount of like r you know, gaming relevance that happens when we you know, like when Rivals has like big things that happen in the community?
CaptainCoach (01:30:25.443)
W Otaka, whatever you say I'm gonna disagree with 'cause you're on my team into the tournament, and then we're just gonna start a fight about it.
OtakuNot (01:30:30.786)
I know. I told them in the beginning. I was like, we would want drama. No, I'm kidding. But like I just like monetary like value is important, so drama's always gonna bring that to the game. people are gonna wanna start playing the game and all this stuff because of all the drama happening. That applies to literally every real life thing. but
MoonKiller (01:30:31.086)
Clout farm.
Emiliath (01:30:32.485)
And then yes, and then you will skyrocket.
CaptainCoach (01:30:32.879)
We're we're gonna have drama about drama.
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:30:57.098)
like specific dramas it goes back to kinda what Moonkiller said. Just a lot about like b bandwagoning and like Twitter's a messy place. I think I touched on that a little bit and
Even going back, like I didn't even know the full extent of some of this drama like back then that's very old, but like the whole Kingsman thing, like people were saying so much about that, about Zaza. And then I was reading it, I was like actually watching it. I'm like, she only like did some of this stuff like in scrims, like I understand practicing, but like people just didn't know the full story and already making this huge assumption of it. And yeah. And it doesn't get called out.
MoonKiller (01:31:28.587)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:31:28.833)
there's so much misinformation about everything always. Like any drama, it's just like so much misinformation too.
Coach Mills (01:31:33.194)
That's that's kind of the the well context is always lost. It's mostly 'cause most people get this from like TikTok and it's just like they don't understand the full s the full situation.
Emiliath (01:31:41.044)
Mm-hmm. And and TikTok kind of drives me crazy because everybody makes a video on every single drama ever because that's how they get their views, which like go on, get your bag, whatever. But like it is also so exhausting. Like it just exhausts me sometimes.
OtakuNot (01:31:41.801)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:31:42.54)
and they use ear.
OtakuNot (01:32:00.648)
Yeah. I think there's a guy literally named like Marvel Rivals drama. Like I think there's literally an account called that or something. my god. Who's that one YouTuber guy? Yeah.
Emiliath (01:32:07.389)
Well, I mean, Overwatch also has like Overwatch T Z, I think, on Reddit, which is like basically a drama thing.
Coach Mills (01:32:12.96)
Yeah, I mean th and there's a ton of in
Emiliath (01:32:16.401)
Yeah. I I think it's like more like a content creator thing, more so than like the game itself. because content creators just like, you know, they drama farm because that's easy money and I'm not bashing it per se, but it does blow things up into a bigger deal usually than what they actually are.
OtakuNot (01:32:39.261)
Yeah. Also, there was one I wanted to talk about earlier and it was that I don't remember who did it, but it was promoting a tracker. I am so I think we had I think we I was gonna bring it up earlier, but I think everyone here's probably had either someone get tracked or a target ban. Well, I was like, I actually am so against that. I didn't realize everyone in OAA uses that. Like people were saying, like, why don't you have tracker? I'm like, I Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:32:39.266)
Yeah, 100%.
MoonKiller (01:32:48.91)
Oh... yeah... yeah... yeah...
Emiliath (01:32:58.93)
Me too.
Coach Mills (01:32:59.348)
Yeah, the rank the rank one is great the r the rank the rank one the rank one player on the best team, trust me, said that stream sniping and tr using trackers is part of being the best. He's the he's the he's on the best team and he's the rank one player. And we so we hit we had Potato and and other people come on last and they said that that's just cheating. They just said that that's cheating. And we
MoonKiller (01:33:01.742)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:33:04.131)
They know what you're playing before you do.
OtakuNot (01:33:13.427)
Yeah, I don't like that.
MoonKiller (01:33:19.79)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:33:20.435)
Yeah. It's definitely cheating. It's I mean, it's it 'cause you can't really apply that ignite. I mean, you get information from like from other teams, like what potential comps are they using. You actually act having to think about it and should like strategize when you get an app telling you on let's ban this or when rate is this, thank you with this person. It's just like first of all, yeah, I'm like, y'all are boring. Like this is a game, you're supposed to have fun and get your rank. And then I feel like a lot of people aren't
Emiliath (01:33:21.917)
Yeah, I think tracking is so goofy.
Emiliath (01:33:40.669)
Doesn't it show with her hovered on too?
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:33:47.374)
Mm.
OtakuNot (01:33:49.791)
getting where they should be because they are doing these like things that are not what the game was allowing them to do. It's just I don't know, that really does piss me off. I don't know why that was promoted in the first place. And I feel like I'm one of the like I think I don't know if anyone here has it here, but I'm like, I just I didn't realize how apparent it was until people were yelling at me for not having a tracker. Like I like yeah, like in my games they're like, why don't you have tracker? I'm like I didn't know everyone had one, my bad.
Emiliath (01:34:09.651)
People yell at you for not having a truck. That's crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:34:10.648)
I
CaptainCoach (01:34:14.297)
That I believe that is the same person who was running the bounty site for I I believe he then there's other tracker sites, but I think he was also doing something with that. I might be wrong, so don't quote me on that. I actually I actually DM'd that guy and he was down for an interview, but by then it had all kind of like blown over. because I was on that site and I wasn't too happy about that.
Emiliath (01:34:22.579)
cringe.
OtakuNot (01:34:23.21)
MoonKiller (01:34:23.764)
I see, that makes sense.
OtakuNot (01:34:35.554)
Mm.
Emiliath (01:34:39.363)
didn't that guy say like, well this was actually supposed to be good, like this was to wake up Neties or something like like he tried to frame it as a good thing and I'm like, You are the problem. Like you are the problem.
MoonKiller (01:34:48.684)
Yeah, right.
CaptainCoach (01:34:49.931)
Yeah. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:34:53.002)
It's sh I just don't like that. I'm friends with a lot of pro players. I'm sure everyone here has a few friends. Like, there's really cool people, but a lot of people just like I get wanting to be rank one or wanting to like I'm still trying so hard to get away again. Like it's just but to do that and like have someone like I don't really believe in target mining that much either, but it's just I don't know, it just doesn't feel like the right way to win a game. Maybe I'm being too nerdy about it, but like
CaptainCoach (01:35:17.336)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:35:17.81)
It it well it I I'm I'm to to kind of argue in their defense, even though I I agree with you, I a hundred percent agree with you, but to argue in their defense, their their argument would be other people are gonna do it no matter what, so like if you don't do it you're putting yourself at a disadvantage.
OtakuNot (01:35:32.78)
Don't promote it. Just don't promote it. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:35:33.107)
You know who else says that is people that use mouse and keyboard on console.
Coach Mills (01:35:35.194)
yeah, I I like just
CaptainCoach (01:35:37.965)
Or people trying to justify murder. No, I'm just kidding. No, I
OtakuNot (01:35:40.155)
Yeah, it's just like
Coach Mills (01:35:40.447)
Right. Well But like but like the I mean their argument is that they would say that you don't want it as bad. Like that's what they would say. Like you don't want it as bad as them. Like they're willing to like you know it reminds me of like a fucking stockbroker. That's like willing to like lie and cheat and and you know like Wolf of Wall Street, like we gotta get you know, we gotta get ours no matter what. I don't care about whatever line I cross. Like I need to get my I mean
Emiliath (01:35:40.835)
okay. That's well, okay.
OtakuNot (01:35:53.258)
It's comp. It's comp, yeah, like Yeah.
Emiliath (01:35:55.835)
Yeah, yeah.
Emiliath (01:35:59.822)
Yeah. That's a really good way to put it actually.
CaptainCoach (01:36:03.157)
I I have a bit of a hot take around that. I'm gonna throw it by you guys and see if you'd agree or disagree. So I I think that gaming culture as a whole, I mean, I started way back in the early days of League of Legends and before that, like whatever Halo lobbies, you know. So I was I've I've seen like a lot of like ranked and and competitive games and it has become so much more like cutthroat, like people trying to win at any advantage. Something like stream sniping, for instance.
MoonKiller (01:36:18.798)
Mm.
MoonKiller (01:36:28.684)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:36:32.471)
like 10 years ago, or maybe not 10, about 10 years ago actually is around when Twitch started getting big. It was so frowned upon back then. Whereas now I feel like it's just common. And I yeah, yeah. So people are taking all these advantages because they they know there's there's a financial opportunity right with being good at games, but also like social credit. I think people value those types of things like digital assets, currency, and being good at stuff like online way more.
MoonKiller (01:36:37.422)
Alright.
Emiliath (01:36:42.461)
Pretty normal.
MoonKiller (01:36:44.696)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:36:50.336)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:36:59.719)
my kind of idea is that because people have put such like a emphasis on being like, quote, good at these things, it's actually caused gamers as a whole to to to kind of get worse at games because they're not having fun anymore and they're more focused on just trying to do this very because I think the best way to learn is just to experience, try new things. And and you have these yeah, like meta innovators.
MoonKiller (01:37:13.71)
Hmm.
Emiliath (01:37:18.192)
Matter.
OtakuNot (01:37:19.649)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:37:23.257)
who will play something like Squirrel Girl, but all of a sudden now that they're figuring out some new strategy, they're they got to like rank fifty. And then it's like, okay, and I don't think that that that that's there anymore. And there's this like really toxic mindset. Right. To to be good at something rather than like what you said, just have fun, which I think was it's honestly a really refreshing take. Just wanted to hear your overall thoughts on that and if you agree with it. I know it's a lot.
Coach Mills (01:37:34.208)
No one goes outside the no one goes out the box outside the box, right? Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:37:37.878)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:37:48.712)
I could I can see I can see that for sure. I I definitely agree that like gamers kind of like want the easy way out in a lot of situations now, especially in Rivals. I feel like Rivals is an easier game in general than some other games. And I think like people just always look for the easiest way to like get up. And
OtakuNot (01:38:10.379)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:38:11.299)
But why is like so why do they care so much then, right? Is is kind of the point, you know? Like what do you think that is?
Emiliath (01:38:15.388)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:38:15.476)
I I was gonna bring it almost like back to COVID. I feel like gaming child our gaming culture has changed since COVID because people were so locked up and people were playing a lot of people there's a huge resurgence playing video games. Like I'm a huge into like vintage and older games. It like s prices just like went skyrocket 'cause everyone was bored, wanting something to do. Streaming. People started streaming a lot during COVID. And I feel like being good at something is a good way to like
get popular, you know, like I didn't really start getting too much of an audience until I like, I'm OA player, I'm like the I do this and this and I feel like that's they just want to be popular or get money or have a career out of this. So I it was kind of like what you're saying, Emmy, just like kinda taking it the easy way out when you're like scream stream sniping and stuff. But I think it just kinda relates back to there. I feel like gaming culture has just changed since Covid.
Emiliath (01:39:08.741)
Yeah, I could see how like streaming also like changed that, especially TikTok specifically, because it's so s it was so much easier to blow up on TikTok than anything else. And it was like instant reward if you were a high-ranked player and posted about that. So I could see how that helped.
MoonKiller (01:39:12.974)
Hmm.
MoonKiller (01:39:17.506)
Right.
OtakuNot (01:39:18.209)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:39:21.037)
Right.
MoonKiller (01:39:24.62)
Right, for sure.
Coach Mills (01:39:25.256)
I I feel like I might disagree a little bit and I think that gaming culture has always been like really like this. It's just like now it's more out in the open. So like a like a game that I used to play a lot, like a as an example is like Tarkov. Like Tarkov got exposed for having like a massive percentage of the players cheat. Like they they wall hack like a huge percentage. Like it w it it it it kinda blew up the game like in a negative way where like people just left 'cause it was like it was something like there's almost a guaranteed cheater in every single lobby you play in.
Emiliath (01:39:35.475)
That could be.
Emiliath (01:39:43.569)
Really?
Coach Mills (01:39:55.007)
And Tarkov. but like no one really knew, and there were like even streamers that were using it and no one even knew, and like everyone was like hiding it, and like but like people were kind of realizing, like, you know, I can get away with this. Like no one cares about if I do this. So like some some things are being like brought into the light, but like people have always been trying to like find ways to like steal advantages from people. maybe I'm more cynical, but I think it's human nature.
Emiliath (01:39:56.648)
Wow.
OtakuNot (01:40:18.082)
Yeah, I
Emiliath (01:40:18.129)
Mm-hmm.
OtakuNot (01:40:21.404)
She's getting promoted though. I feel like people are encouraging to do this stuff. People are str like literally will on their own stream, they will show them stream sniping someone else. Like I've seen that so many times. I'm like, what the fuck are you doing? No, it's sh it's like it's not that people are just, it's always been done. Like I th I I mean I came from a fighting game community, I came from like Smash, stuff like that. Pokemon. I used play Pokemon competitively. So it's just like, yeah, it has always been there, but it's just
Emiliath (01:40:21.831)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:40:31.015)
That is true, which is crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:40:31.439)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:40:32.692)
Yeah, th they're they're not hiding it at all. Yeah, it's insane.
MoonKiller (01:40:42.734)
Mmm.
CaptainCoach (01:40:46.266)
yeah.
OtakuNot (01:40:50.498)
People talk about stuff like encouraging so much bad behavior, whether it's like not being a good teammate, not communicating or just again, doing the whole stream sniping thing or promoting a tracker is another one, or I feel like just a lot of negativity in the gaming industry right now, or gaming culture. It's just really sad to see. I think it's just gotten worse.
MoonKiller (01:41:13.898)
It is... I think... It's kinda... I have a little less experience than you guys I came from Fortnite on the Nintendo Switch as my first game We're like... We're all like the... When all of my random Phil teammates were like little kids and like... You know, like 12 year olds and like... Yeah! That was my first game I was like, I think...
CaptainCoach (01:41:21.583)
Nice.
OtakuNot (01:41:21.762)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:41:22.634)
What
Emiliath (01:41:22.719)
Whoa. That's crazy.
CaptainCoach (01:41:31.329)
Ha ha
Emiliath (01:41:32.337)
Wait, my nephew used to play it on the Switch, I remember.
OtakuNot (01:41:32.578)
Yeah, it's not great.
Coach Mills (01:41:36.212)
I think it's all
MoonKiller (01:41:37.326)
I was what 13 14 at the time and I would have like, know, like little babies as my you know, they'd be like, hey, like do you need a big paws like that's what I came from like that's what I came from and then I went to Valorant bro and I was like, what is this? Like people were so mean and I was like, how do you guys like enjoy the game like this? And then I think I eventually became like
OtakuNot (01:41:43.126)
That is so cute.
Emiliath (01:41:51.315)
What?
MoonKiller (01:41:57.102)
thicker skin but I remember like the first few years I like first started Val I like I cried a lot because I was like why are people so mean but I think it does apply in this game too like it does seem like people hate the game that they're playing and I don't understand like why play it if it's so if it's so disturbing to your mental to play it's so sad yo yo that's a no no no
Emiliath (01:42:02.995)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:42:04.42)
no.
CaptainCoach (01:42:14.285)
As
Coach Mills (01:42:14.58)
Yeah yeah. 'Cause I
OtakuNot (01:42:15.944)
Mm. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:42:18.503)
as you jump around in Minecraft
Coach Mills (01:42:21.064)
OtakuNot (01:42:21.154)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:42:24.754)
I I yeah, I mean I will say that like so my my daughter likes to play this game a little bit. She's seven by the way. She likes to just be Jeff in the training room and like she likes to run run around and she likes to run around on the beach. but like i I'm it's gonna be like seven years before I let her play online at all and sh no comms. Like everything's gonna be turned off. Like there's just no possible way. Like you don't need to be exposed to that.
MoonKiller (01:42:26.83)
you
Emiliath (01:42:33.139)
Aww that's so cute.
MoonKiller (01:42:48.074)
Yeah, for sure. 100%.
Emiliath (01:42:49.021)
Which is crazy 'cause like you're I think you're around the same age as me, Mills. And I used to play like Halo online when I was really young. And like it was not like as toxic as the games today are, I don't feel like. Were they for you? I played Call of Duty, but Halo was before.
Coach Mills (01:42:56.826)
Yeah. Like a
OtakuNot (01:43:02.86)
Call of Duty was. Black Ops, Black Ops, Modern Warfare. Halo Halo No, yeah.
Coach Mills (01:43:03.328)
No, no, no. If you played the game like 'cause I kinda played the game like slightly competitive, it was just like it was like slur like hard slurs like every game. Like a hard slurs, every game. Like I'm not like and there was no bands for any of it. Like you could say anything you wanted with no recourse back in the day. Like like
Emiliath (01:43:13.475)
No, I wasn't competitive. I like twelve. okay, okay. So it's like always been that way. I definitely remember that with Call of Duty, but I feel like Halo, like I always had so much fun, like nobody was toxic, or all just goofing around.
MoonKiller (01:43:22.574)
Mmm.
OtakuNot (01:43:24.182)
Yeah. yeah, we just Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:43:32.266)
People were having a lot more fun though, I think. Like in general, people were having a lot more fun. But people weren't I I also feel like maybe people weren't playing games as much as they do today. Like people were coming back you know, people are people are people are like on twenty four seven caffeine playing the game ten hours a day and just pissed off like the whole time. Like I
Emiliath (01:43:35.845)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:43:41.745)
Yeah, I think that's it too. Yeah, people weren't doing it like all day.
OtakuNot (01:43:41.76)
Yeah, it's true. That is true.
MoonKiller (01:43:42.702)
Hmm.
Emiliath (01:43:51.103)
Yeah. No, you're right. Like less burnout.
MoonKiller (01:43:53.868)
Little sleep, yeah. Less sleep, like, obviously.
OtakuNot (01:43:55.18)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:43:55.435)
Right. 'Cause back then it was just a it was just a game. It wasn't like a career or anything like that. It was just it's like you're chasing a pro dream, like or at least like most people weren't. It's just like
CaptainCoach (01:43:56.591)
Mm.
Emiliath (01:43:59.985)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:44:03.23)
Yeah, I think-
OtakuNot (01:44:04.289)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:44:05.014)
Also, I noticed a lot of people online do tend to have the mindset of like, it's online, it doesn't matter. I have met quite a few people who have said some crazy ass things that I dropped them for because they're like, it's online, it doesn't matter. And I think it's kinda like that fuels toxicity. If they hide themselves well enough, truly it is very impossible to trace back to them, right? Which is why they say the things they say and some ugly c-
CaptainCoach (01:44:27.085)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:44:34.928)
can come out, you know, and I think that's what also makes people so toxic.
CaptainCoach (01:44:40.813)
That's a really good point. That's kind of a tough thing to train too, because I I think like just, you know Yeah, I mean I'm not like an evolutionary biologist or whatever, but like you know, like people interacting with each other on screens is not normal for so a lot of people have to be kind of taught that. Like I remember wh I was talking I I think it was good getting car insurance when I was younger and there was a s someone helping like there was a assistant that was helping me get like a quote or something.
MoonKiller (01:44:45.954)
Just lack of empathy, 100%.
OtakuNot (01:44:48.258)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:44:50.91)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:44:51.338)
Hehehehe
MoonKiller (01:44:57.868)
You wrote.
MoonKiller (01:45:03.864)
Ha ha ha!
CaptainCoach (01:45:09.591)
And I just I like I didn't even say bye and you know, I like I was my dad was like helping me with it 'cause it was something we hadn't seen before. He's like, You you need to say you need to say be polite and say goodbye. I'm like, it's just it's just a computer screen, like who cares? And I'm just and then that hit me, I'm just like, Whoa, I'm like, that was a you know, so I it kind of it was weird for me, but I I don't know if that everybody has maybe that moment where they're like, This is separate I d or this isn't separate rather.
OtakuNot (01:45:35.746)
I feel like again it kinda goes back to just how people promote stuff and I feel like there's a lot of wholesome people that do stream and people do like wanna be like them. Like as much as some people have opinions on flats, he's a generally like positive person. It's just nice to have someone that's mostly posi or J three. Everyone loves J th he's super positive. Yeah, like we need more people like that. I'm just I'm tired of people streaming them throwing games or them
Coach Mills (01:45:35.88)
But I
MoonKiller (01:45:42.702)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:45:55.582)
The goat. Yeah, he's the goat.
OtakuNot (01:46:03.372)
Calling women this or being phobic on anything. It's just like just treat how people you want to treat in real life. Like, just do that, please.
Coach Mills (01:46:08.756)
I g I th I I r but I I
Emiliath (01:46:11.187)
I also think rage bait culture is really, really like meta right now. And especially in rivals, like you can farm rage bait.
Coach Mills (01:46:18.004)
Yeah. To to be fair, like the success of people like Flats and J three kind of show that like while you might get a speck of like a little bit of attention if you're like that toxic, like crazy person, you're not gonna become like a staple in the scene. Like like people like Flats and J three are here because they're they make good content, but they're not like promoting all this nonsense too, right? I'm I think people just like are they they chase
MoonKiller (01:46:39.534)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:46:42.269)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:46:46.176)
cloud like in the in the mint like they don't think about the next week or month or yeah, I mean a and the the problem is those people won't be around in a year but they'll be replaced by another wave, another wave of c of the same type of people, so
Emiliath (01:46:49.683)
The long term.
OtakuNot (01:46:51.031)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:46:57.191)
Same thing. Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:46:59.885)
Right.
CaptainCoach (01:47:00.503)
Yeah. League definitely had that type of thing happen, I think, in the community when the a lot of the old heads quit, they were replaced. And you know, I'm I mean, you know who Dantes is?
MoonKiller (01:47:05.93)
my gosh.
OtakuNot (01:47:11.254)
Yeah, yeah, that's
Coach Mills (01:47:11.272)
the g the goat.
MoonKiller (01:47:11.31)
Dauntless, yes.
CaptainCoach (01:47:12.821)
Yeah. That guy I he's he's funny, but that guy is off the chain like he is he is out there like saying stuff like he's crazy, man. But it's it's it's like you know, like younger new new generation of people pick it up and and that'll be like their guy, you know. So it's No, I totally agree with you, Mills. I totally agree. A hundred percent.
Coach Mills (01:47:19.804)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:47:22.05)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:47:32.38)
so I had two two more real quick ticks I wanted to go through and then we can we can ask all like a wrap up question. But the f the first one I wanted to ask is or this is a statement that I hear. Dive is the worst meta in Marvel Rivals. I hear this a lot from support players. they don't like dive. mostly because they aren't the ones diving.
Emiliath (01:47:49.448)
like they don't like it. okay.
Coach Mills (01:47:57.269)
most of the time. Like they they might help the dive, but they're not really I particip like a lot of times like a dive meta is supports trying to survive the other dive.
Emiliath (01:47:57.916)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:47:59.119)
Mm.
OtakuNot (01:47:59.167)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:48:04.697)
Mm-hmm. Dive meta is literally just trading backline. So as a support, it's just not gonna be fun unless you're a support that's diving.
OtakuNot (01:48:08.031)
It is.
MoonKiller (01:48:08.834)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:48:13.376)
And also like in comp it's different because in c in probably in pro play you'll have people that will peel for you. In comp people will not peel for you. So pe my everyone else might be having fun diving, but like you will get zero peels. You're having a patty cake or White Fox literally came out for that reason. Like just because of dive.
Coach Mills (01:48:13.844)
Which
CaptainCoach (01:48:23.439)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:48:25.219)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:48:30.69)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:48:31.463)
I'll say even in even an organized play dive is usually not fun for support because it's still the same thing. It's literally just trading back line.
OtakuNot (01:48:35.326)
No, that's not.
Coach Mills (01:48:35.892)
They they you're you're trying to survive for six seconds and the e the enemy's gonna die in four. Like you you you need to survive two l two longer seconds.
OtakuNot (01:48:39.06)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:48:42.238)
whoever supports can last the longest literally whoever supports can live the longest yeah
Emiliath (01:48:42.49)
Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:48:47.53)
So
Emiliath (01:48:47.685)
It i I it it does have the most the highest skill, I feel like, though. And I do think it is healthy for dive. Not necessarily yes, yes. I feel like dive is is good and healthy, but I understand it not being fun for supports.
MoonKiller (01:48:52.534)
Right. Skill-sailing, yeah.
OtakuNot (01:48:58.988)
To have a place?
Coach Mills (01:49:08.864)
Do you think sorry, go on Wookiller?
MoonKiller (01:49:09.07)
think a lot of lower end elo definitely don't understand that you gotta clear out the dive first. I see a lot of they watch a lot of their backline dying and take it as like like if it's just not like a dive dive comp, like both teams are diving, it's like if you're trying to live the dive, cause obviously it's never going to be like,
as you want it to be like an equal dive comp team, whatever. So if you're just trying to live and like your team is like walking while you're being dove like that, like you will never win the game. And I feel like a lot of people do tend to miss that. Like, I don't know. I just feel like there's so much like, it's not even just on the supports.
to like, live through dive. It's genuinely a whole team thing and I feel like a lot of people do miss that as well. Which is why it's also so miserable because then you also get blamed for dying but it's like... Like as I'm dying to like two people in the back, my tanks are walking and then they're pinging for heals that they're not getting healed. Like things like that I feel like are also something important.
Emiliath (01:50:05.799)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:50:18.72)
Do you think that if supports there were more supports that could participate in the dive directly, you would like it would be a more enjoyable experience? Once again, I hate to bring it up, but Lucio in Overwatch like the he's like the he's the hallmark. He's the hallmark for like like I've never met a Lucio player that didn't absolutely love playing Lucio every single day. Like they absolutely love it and he just gets a lot of freedom and flexibility to like go in with that dive. We don't really have a character, not really like White Fox kind of, but she's not really the same.
MoonKiller (01:50:30.389)
Hehehehe
Emiliath (01:50:30.883)
I was gonna say Lucio. Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:50:31.763)
Ha ha.
Emiliath (01:50:37.454)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (01:50:46.799)
say with I played White Fox in a dive organized play and it was actually really enjoyable to like pounce on the back line myself. but then you also kinda have survivor's guilt because you're leaving your other support really just to die for the most part. Like
Coach Mills (01:51:01.248)
What if you what if you what if what if you had a another support that could do it too? You know, like a you're not leaving anyone behind.
MoonKiller (01:51:01.57)
That's true, that is true, yeah.
OtakuNot (01:51:02.72)
Yeah, it's pretty sad.
CaptainCoach (01:51:04.559)
That's funny.
Emiliath (01:51:08.975)
Yeah, I just don't know how that works. Cause like in in Overwatch, the meta was Lucio Kirie. Kiri was the dive target for the dive characters. And the Lucio would like come back to taxi the Kiries TP to get out of the dive. So it was basically like Lucio going in with his team. He circles back around to taxi the the Kiri out. The Kiri is never really diving with her team. She's just always like teepeeing out, basically, of the dive.
So I feel like there always has to be a victim, I guess, of the dive, because otherwise, like what are they diving?
Coach Mills (01:51:46.602)
That's true. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:51:49.058)
As a as a tank player, would you rather cause I I kinda wanna know this, would you rather have a tank who peels for you against dive if both teams have dive or dives better than their team? What would you prefer? Dives better. So you'd rather deal with it knowing you can kind of like take it and out outplay their backline?
Emiliath (01:52:01.938)
I prefer the dives better, personally.
OtakuNot (01:52:04.204)
Yeah.
Emiliath (01:52:09.031)
As long as they're better. If they're not better, then I want them to swap to complete anti dive. If they're not getting the picks faster, I don't want it.
OtakuNot (01:52:11.778)
Okay.
Coach Mills (01:52:12.09)
Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:52:12.557)
Yeah.
You guys wanna give your you guys agree or yeah?
OtakuNot (01:52:21.918)
Yeah, I mean I I my personal favorite is Brawl. But I don't like poke either. So I don't know which one to pick, dive or poke. It's like I think I I agree with Emmy saying yeah, it's like I agree with Emily, like where she's saying that it's more skill heavy for dive.
Coach Mills (01:52:36.544)
Hitler Stalin.
OtakuNot (01:52:43.678)
But as a support it's not the most fun because either you're playing Rocket Jeff or Kiri. Or not Kiri, White Fox. I was like Kiryel, yeah. But it's just yeah, so I'm just like I just pick between the worst. I don't know. I think for me it's just not fun. I prefer brawl 'cause you can all fight, yeah. So that's my personal favorite. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:52:49.115)
Ha ha ha
CaptainCoach (01:52:49.666)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (01:52:50.514)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:52:50.83)
man.
Emiliath (01:53:03.407)
Mm-hmm. I like Brawl too.
Coach Mills (01:53:06.912)
What about you, Moonkiller? What do you prefer out of the three types of comps?
CaptainCoach (01:53:07.203)
Yeah, you the hot.
MoonKiller (01:53:12.302)
Mmm.
I guess.
MoonKiller (01:53:18.222)
I guess poke shows like a lot of like weaknesses like in your positioning Dive I guess like also similar, but it's like who can trade backlines most I guess like brawl is the most fun. It really is but I guess I guess so It's fun you get to participate Not die every two seconds or get like touched by Captain America and like venom
Coach Mills (01:53:38.92)
You're right.
OtakuNot (01:53:39.105)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:53:43.358)
Right.
CaptainCoach (01:53:44.417)
It's it's pretty satisfying healing brawl. Like when I'm on rocket, just seeing the health bars go up. It's very addicting.
Emiliath (01:53:47.311)
It is, yeah.
OtakuNot (01:53:49.558)
Yeah. Just everyone's participating. Like it's just with poke, it's like, wow, I stepped one way where I shouldn't have, now I'm dead. And they're across that like they're all the way over there. And it's just like and it's just I like people that can aim. I think aiming is a really good skill to have. But I feel like when you're already higher up, everyone already can aim. So it's like, I don't know.
Emiliath (01:53:51.559)
And you build all fast, yeah.
CaptainCoach (01:53:53.518)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:53:53.674)
It is, yeah.
Emiliath (01:53:59.133)
You got two taps. Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:53:59.159)
Yeah.
Black Widow.
MoonKiller (01:54:07.224)
Mm-hmm.
MoonKiller (01:54:12.034)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:54:13.948)
S so I I I do play a lot of Brawl, like I play a lot of Thor and I play like some Groot every once in a while. I will say that the last two Brawl like metas we've been into, including this one I've not liked. Dino Brawl, the Dino Brawl mirror was very frustrating to play into. And then right now it's the th It was and now it's the thing. Like I know Captain Coach abuses the thing a lot. I feel like that character is cancer to play into. Like he sometimes just never die
CaptainCoach (01:54:29.305)
That was terrible.
OtakuNot (01:54:31.09)
Pretty boring.
Emiliath (01:54:31.239)
I think that was awful for tanks.
MoonKiller (01:54:36.236)
Dang.
OtakuNot (01:54:36.394)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:54:40.992)
Nah, he's balanced.
Coach Mills (01:54:42.526)
He does not die. You know he's not balanced. You know he's not. It's actually insane. I don't know how y'all feel about it because like if you don't have the right comp against that guy, he won't die. Like he legitimately will never die. He he gains more HP than he loses. Yeah, yeah, that's not easy, bro. Like he there's a lot of like Well that's true too.
Emiliath (01:54:43.368)
Ha ha.
MoonKiller (01:54:45.171)
Hehehehehe
CaptainCoach (01:54:56.057)
Don't let hit ya.
MoonKiller (01:55:00.334)
CaptainCoach (01:55:01.121)
I think people don't know how to play against them. I I see so many mistakes being made by like like supports, for instance, I'll see, you know, White Fox has that double charm thing that that pulls you. They'll use that when I'm at full health on thing. I'm like, if you you realize if you do it when I'm on at half health, I won't be able to cycle through my shields when I'm low, and then you guys can burst me out and kill me. A lot they'll just waste it. They'll just so I I I see a lot of mistakes being made when played into stuff that I I you know, like stat.
Wise, yeah, obviously it's like if you don't play it the right way, it's gonna be the same as if you don't play into like a cloak and dagger the right way. Just feed her a ton of alt charge, not being able to kill her, and then she gets her ults and just auto wins. So I I think like this is the first time Brawl has actually been really OP. Like ac like and and not well, not including Dino.
MoonKiller (01:55:36.93)
Mmm.
Coach Mills (01:55:46.881)
I mean I when I'm playing th like w for example, when I'm playing Thor, my Magneto's in front of me. The the thing is punching my Magneto and I'm hitting the thing with every one of my lightning strikes and his health is not moving. 'Cause he's I'm hitting him, hitting him, hitting him. Then he's hitting my and I like I what am I yeah, it's like okay Yeah, yeah. Well that well that's the that's the thing is like I hate like that's what I don't like about some of these Brawl Comps is they like they force you to swap so much. Like
CaptainCoach (01:55:50.553)
But it's balanced.
CaptainCoach (01:55:58.872)
Yeah. yeah. Get good, noob.
Emiliath (01:56:03.121)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (01:56:03.875)
You're not playing punnies. That's just the thing. It's like
MoonKiller (01:56:06.197)
MoonKiller (01:56:11.394)
Hmm.
CaptainCoach (01:56:14.159)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (01:56:14.596)
Against Dino, you ha if you played like Spider Man, I don't know, Spider Man BP against the Dino, he's never dying. Like you won't have any damage. I I don't know. I I do like Brawl, but I d I don't it has to be the right kind of brawl. Maybe I'm just biased. I like I like Hulk Brawl. I like Thor Brawl. I don't like Thing Brawl, I don't Dino Brawl. Like that's maybe I'm a little biased.
MoonKiller (01:56:14.656)
Mmm.
MoonKiller (01:56:21.08)
Mm-hmm.
That's true.
MoonKiller (01:56:28.013)
Mm.
MoonKiller (01:56:31.598)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (01:56:35.203)
Giving thing a damage imp was a mistake. I s stand by that. They should have never done that. And and kept kept how how tanky he is right now, but not have the the damage imp is just like I don't know why that you put that on a character like that. I don't think it makes much sense. That should be like for supports, I feel like. Like that should be a support type ability, like status effects, debuffs, things like that.
MoonKiller (01:56:55.566)
Bye.
Coach Mills (01:56:56.009)
wait, this is the question I want to ask y'all. Is there any support that y'all would change, like rework? Out of all of them?
OtakuNot (01:56:56.215)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:57:01.582)
you
OtakuNot (01:57:02.828)
I did say gambit already.
Coach Mills (01:57:04.565)
Gam well okay, besides Gambit like old or gambit.
MoonKiller (01:57:06.926)
He's like obvious answer
OtakuNot (01:57:06.967)
yeah I try to go through all of them.
Coach Mills (01:57:10.206)
Like co come on y'all can say it. Just delete Jeff, right? No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Otron?
CaptainCoach (01:57:12.791)
Ultron? What about Ultron?
Emiliath (01:57:13.454)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:57:14.414)
Yeah, I was gonna say a lot of my chat is saying Ultron.
OtakuNot (01:57:19.188)
Just also it's one of those characters where it's not healthy sometimes. Like he is boring. He's
MoonKiller (01:57:22.752)
Yeah, he's really good right now too. Yeah.
Emiliath (01:57:23.953)
I just think f I just find him boring. Like but I also somebody likes him. Like there's somebody likes every character, you know? Like it's like
Coach Mills (01:57:30.442)
Peep no, no. No
OtakuNot (01:57:32.604)
Yeah. It's okay.
MoonKiller (01:57:33.998)
He gets old really fast.
Emiliath (01:57:35.559)
I feel like I would actually rework cloak and dagger, which is crazy 'cause I love them.
CaptainCoach (01:57:39.158)
Wow.
OtakuNot (01:57:40.16)
I thought she was gonna be like Moira, but didn't happen.
Coach Mills (01:57:40.256)
How would you rework them?
MoonKiller (01:57:40.664)
Hmm.
Emiliath (01:57:43.693)
No, I wouldn't I wouldn't want her to be Moira. I kinda like the idea of them being two separate characters. I don't know what I would change. I don't know what I change. Yeah. Like giving Cloak his own I f I feel like people like don't separate them like or like think of them as two people. And I guess it's more of like a issue in my head that I they only think of cloak and dagger as dagger because that's who you're on 90% of the time.
MoonKiller (01:57:43.778)
What would you change?
MoonKiller (01:57:50.678)
Interesting.
Coach Mills (01:57:51.956)
And they have a team up or something?
Coach Mills (01:58:11.962)
It's that they call her cloak, right?
OtakuNot (01:58:13.142)
Yeah. Does she
Emiliath (01:58:14.079)
Yeah. I'm playing Batgirl Cloak, like no
CaptainCoach (01:58:14.095)
I I learned that like last week. It's it it's literally been from all the the clips that with the Spider Man's trying to kill them that I found out that it I had them I've been calling cloak, I thought it was the the I had no idea. I had no idea. It's my bad.
Emiliath (01:58:27.887)
Yeah, Cloak is is the guy with with the cloak. And dagger, like, I don't know. I've I f yeah. I might yeah, I don't know. I don't know what I would do with them.
Coach Mills (01:58:31.22)
What do you think?
Coach Mills (01:58:38.644)
Maybe th maybe they just need to make the dagger part of that character stronger. 'Cause that the da that might be part of it.
OtakuNot (01:58:42.626)
Yeah. I think Rocket can be changed or Jeff too. Like they're kind of like, you know, it's like Animal Crossing back line, or it's just like kind of just stay far away as you can so you can still like kind of healbot them. But I feel like, you know, Rocket does damage. It'd be kinda cool to see him have more of a damage, like a damage heavy thing, I don't know. Or like some grenades or some missiles or something you can throw at them.
Coach Mills (01:58:52.061)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (01:59:10.712)
right?
OtakuNot (01:59:11.624)
Or Jeff, I mean, they already made this character into the game. Like he's not like that cool in comics, you know what I mean? But he's just really adorable. But they could change something with two, like make a whirlpool or you could just have some Pokemon moves. Yeah, like a Pokemon. He l yeah. That'd be so cool. But
MoonKiller (01:59:17.678)
Hehehehe
Emiliath (01:59:25.464)
Whirlpool would be cool. Like it like sucks them in. That would be really cool.
CaptainCoach (01:59:26.831)
That would be cool.
MoonKiller (01:59:29.752)
You
Coach Mills (01:59:31.712)
I see I see you the the Piplup. Is that a Piplup? That's a Piplup, right? Behind you? nice, nice. Yeah. Yeah, we just we just started collecting Pokemon cards, my wife and I. She's getting like all the blue ones. Articuno, Piplup. Yeah, she likes them all. So we're hunting them down for her. Yeah, that would actually be cool. A Pokemon like it he is kind of like a poke Jeff is kinda like a Pokemon. Now that I think about it, I didn't even think.
OtakuNot (01:59:34.814)
Yeah, I made some little pep ups here. Yeah. They're so cute.
Emiliath (01:59:35.811)
MoonKiller (01:59:43.337)
Aww.
Emiliath (01:59:43.699)
Ho ho That's cute.
OtakuNot (01:59:44.662)
That is so cute.
OtakuNot (01:59:55.231)
Yeah, I'm just like a whirlpool or some bubbles. I I guess he already has bubbles when I think about it. But just stuff like that. They could detonate, yeah. Like
Coach Mills (02:00:01.929)
Let them explode. Let them explode. No, I don't know. Or or or CC people. I don't know. That'd be cool.
Emiliath (02:00:05.274)
my god.
OtakuNot (02:00:09.002)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:00:09.123)
Funny, my my sister or my my niece, she's at the age now where she's like walking and stuff and able to kinda like talk a little bit. We're we're thinking about buying each one of the starter Pokemon plushies and putting them all out in front of her and seeing which one she picks. Right. Yeah, so we're we're getting pretty excited. We're we're gonna do that here pretty soon. So I'll let you know how it goes. Yeah.
Emiliath (02:00:24.435)
I've seen videos like that. That would be cute. That would be really cute.
OtakuNot (02:00:24.768)
I've seen that. That'd be so cute.
MoonKiller (02:00:25.794)
That's adorable.
Coach Mills (02:00:32.48)
Nice. Nice. Nice.
Emiliath (02:00:32.935)
Let us know what she picks.
OtakuNot (02:00:35.116)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:00:35.352)
That's cute. Now know you guys were asking about changes and stuff, but I dunno, I'm like... I dunno, I kind of enjoy the chaos of it too. I've never... I never read patch notes. Like I go into every game blind, like every season blind. I just hop into rank, I play whatever I wanna play, and I find out as the season goes, and when something's changed, I find out way later that something changed. I'm like, shoot, something changed, but I dunno, maybe it's like a...
Coach Mills (02:00:46.404)
no.
MoonKiller (02:01:04.363)
I know, I kinda just- I just play, I just play. And I don't- I don't ever read into anything, I- I literally just play the game. Yeah, I play the game, larp in people's ears, and- Yeah, exactly. I'm like, I literally just love the game.
CaptainCoach (02:01:07.943)
W
Emiliath (02:01:11.581)
Just five then.
Coach Mills (02:01:13.152)
You're probably having more fun than a lot of people.
OtakuNot (02:01:16.668)
yeah. I didn't know B P was so strong for a little bit. Like when I I got deleted on season nine, you know how I got that that team map, right? I didn't realize how strong he was until I kept getting insta killed and like why is B P back in the game? Like what happened? I didn't see the patch note for that. So that was kinda funny. I don't know if you noticed that, Moon.
MoonKiller (02:01:22.601)
Emiliath (02:01:30.6)
Ha ha.
CaptainCoach (02:01:31.481)
Mm-hmm.
One of one of I it's funny, we we hit about just every single thing I wanted to talk to talk about. One of the things I still have here is Is B P worth a ban? Was one of the ones I don't have crossed out yet.
Coach Mills (02:01:35.562)
Surprise surprise, yeah.
MoonKiller (02:01:35.788)
Yeah
MoonKiller (02:01:47.982)
Mmm.
Emiliath (02:01:50.323)
Kind of ha I thought in the beginning of season he was more worth a ban, but after the season went on, I guess it's because I play a lot of White Fox and a lot of characters that can deal with BP or like at least survive his, you know, initial attacks. I don't really feel like I need to ban him anymore. Like I feel like he can still be pretty easily countered.
MoonKiller (02:02:12.206)
Mm.
Mm-hmm. I agree.
Coach Mills (02:02:17.0)
I I got I have a little mini rant I want to have about this. I blame flats for this. Like once again I like flats, but I blame him for this because he put BP and S tier. BP is still a terrible character. That character doesn't do anything. Like that the only time BP's ever winning is when your DPS and tanks are doing actually nothing to stop him. Cause he has to literally walk. Like he's not invisible. He doesn't have walls. Like b black or dado. He literally has to walk and if he ever
Emiliath (02:02:27.515)
Mm.
MoonKiller (02:02:27.655)
Yeah. Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:02:35.886)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:02:35.906)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:02:40.483)
Yeah, he does have to like walk, yeah.
OtakuNot (02:02:40.64)
He can't go invisible.
Coach Mills (02:02:44.692)
wants to get there faster. Like if he tries to walk and like a venom just pops up or a Thor or a Psylock, he has to run away or uses cooldowns that he was gonna use. So like he then he doesn't do anything. Like he
Emiliath (02:02:56.797)
Yeah, he has to use his like hole kit to get off his combos.
Coach Mills (02:02:59.55)
Right. I I I looked at his win rates, so like his win rates it's inverse. So like in Celestial it's like forty four percent. And then like in Grandmaster it goes up to like forty eight. And then in in Diamond, then it goes to fifty. And then in Plat then it's at fifty four. Like it's like an inverse character where it's like but it's it it I don't even blame support like it's not support's fault, like it's it the characters that have mobility or have the ability to interrupt him, which are DPS and tanks, like
Emiliath (02:03:07.773)
Mm-hmm.
Emiliath (02:03:18.771)
That makes sense.
Coach Mills (02:03:29.034)
He's a free kill or you can just make him completely worthless if you just like notice what he's doing. You have like a ten second window to like right, right. And then he he literally does nothing. Like I bla Black Cat and Daredevil are like ten times more of a problem, in my opinion. Like Well sh well sh she can she can set up completely invisible. So like he's it's not the same where you you can't stop her set ups, right? Like like you can with
Emiliath (02:03:35.741)
Like market beforehand, basically.
MoonKiller (02:03:36.781)
Right.
OtakuNot (02:03:36.982)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:03:45.725)
Black cat is a problem. I cannot stand black cat.
OtakuNot (02:03:46.434)
Black Cat's broken. She's so broken.
Emiliath (02:03:52.722)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:03:56.146)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:03:58.538)
So it's that that's kind of
CaptainCoach (02:04:00.002)
Okay, so so we get we have a support player, low rank, go w or whatever, new player struggling to deal with B P. What do you tell them?
MoonKiller (02:04:04.782)
Mm.
MoonKiller (02:04:09.176)
keep dying until you figure it out like unironically like I'm so deadass no like I'm so serious cuz I do understand like I think when I first started the game I think I what I was bronze and then I ended I think and then I I mean yeah I'm pretty sure I'm sure I banned Black Panther at some point but it really is like you'll learn how to play like
OtakuNot (02:04:10.946)
It's yeah, I mean
CaptainCoach (02:04:11.191)
Okay.
Coach Mills (02:04:11.248)
Hahaha
Emiliath (02:04:13.427)
Tough love. Tough love.
MoonKiller (02:04:35.202)
You'll learn, you'll find the character that works against him. You'll find how to position yourself, where to position yourself. All of that literally comes with just playing the game. You will learn everything. Yeah. You will learn as you play the game. Just put time into it.
Emiliath (02:04:46.449)
And awareness especially for BP.
OtakuNot (02:04:49.143)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:04:52.789)
Yeah, I agree.
CaptainCoach (02:04:54.105)
So there's no like pop my bubble, then use fade when I hear him come down, or then ice block when he is Yeah.
Emiliath (02:04:59.137)
yes. There it is. As soon as you know where BP is, you look for the engage. You wait. You have one of yeah, yeah. You have one ability ready. Usually I do bubble first. And then he leaves cause he didn't get his engage off. Then he comes back, I use my ice block. Then he leaves cause he didn't get his engage off. Then he comes back, I use my fate. And then I have my bubble back and we can keep doing this all day.
MoonKiller (02:04:59.65)
But that's what I mean though, like you'll... yeah... Yeah...
OtakuNot (02:05:02.986)
Yeah. Have your finger on that button.
MoonKiller (02:05:10.286)
Yeah, 100%. Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:05:18.592)
Right.
Exactly see like but I'm sure you figured that out just cuz you've played the game and you know died to him a bajillion times or something back in the day Yeah, yeah, yeah, just awareness. Yeah
Emiliath (02:05:28.913)
Yeah, and also like I know like if I know they have one, I'm like actively looking for him.
OtakuNot (02:05:29.281)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:05:34.688)
I will say sometimes though, like a character like that, people will say like I think you were saying a little bit Mills, but like that he's not too broken, but like if this one character makes you change your comp, at least two characters
That on paper sounds bad. Like if there's a BP, maybe we should go Bucky or we should go cloak or we should go like I feel like the calendaring aspect kind of makes it a problem. At least I just get annoyed. I'm like, now I have to go swap. You know what I mean? It's just like I guess that can be on the both. It is.
CaptainCoach (02:06:02.478)
Mm.
Emiliath (02:06:03.987)
I feel like that's kind of the nature of the game, unfortunately.
Coach Mills (02:06:04.916)
I think I think almost I think almost any DPS can shut down a BP. supports you probably have to swap if your DPS aren't doing it because it's you you can't really afford to meet them. But like like a Star Lord, he should be able to like interrupt a B P, right? I mean I I do agree with you to an extent. Like that there are some characters that force you to like change every like Penny, Captain Coach and I can talk about Penny like nonstop. We
MoonKiller (02:06:06.603)
Right.
MoonKiller (02:06:10.126)
Mm.
MoonKiller (02:06:14.147)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:06:29.982)
We hate that character so much 'cause she force she forces us to change everything about what we do. Like we can't even n half my characters don't even work if I'm trying to play against Penny. So I I I a hundred percent get that. Like it polarizing characters where they have like these super lopsided matchups, I'm not even sure they should exist. Like Thing versus B P or or Penny versus Melee.
OtakuNot (02:06:31.084)
She's in away, yeah.
MoonKiller (02:06:39.758)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (02:06:50.767)
Well, I feel like there's like what if you gave like for instance BP more out of combat movement speed? Like maybe he sprints, lower his burst a little bit, lowers cooldowns. Like I think something like that could be fine. Like the I think it's just for the newer players, especially, the amount of damage he gets off in such a quick window is is a lot of times just too much for them to react to, which is kinda why I was
MoonKiller (02:06:51.171)
Mm.
Emiliath (02:07:10.653)
Kind of okay with them being rewarded for that though, because they literally it takes skill to get that off and they had to use their whole kit to do it. So like I don't
MoonKiller (02:07:18.978)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:07:19.545)
So you think the game should be balanced more around the higher ranks then?
Coach Mills (02:07:22.665)
He he kind of is a he kinda teaches people how to play the game a little bit. Like 'cause he isn't winning in Celestial Plus, right? But he is winning in Plat. So he kind of is like you know Right. I mean like if you if if you can't shut down a B P then you're you have no hope of setting down a black cat or like any of these other divers that are
Emiliath (02:07:23.891)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (02:07:27.151)
That's good point. Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:07:28.78)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:07:29.552)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:07:32.268)
Like a rank check type thing, or skill check.
CaptainCoach (02:07:34.051)
That's a really good point, actually.
MoonKiller (02:07:41.599)
Right.
OtakuNot (02:07:42.059)
It's just he's such an interesting character 'cause it's like either he's really shit or he's really good. So it's just like it's just his kit isn't made for this like type of game either. Like it just it doesn't really fit in. Yeah, it's like let's make a lot like it's just it I feel bad for th them 'cause like like a lot of people just like like want to be a BP one trick or like that's the that to them as a creator is a
Emiliath (02:07:46.684)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:07:47.166)
Yeah. Right.
CaptainCoach (02:07:47.394)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:07:50.449)
It is a weird
Coach Mills (02:07:53.576)
Yeah you That's a that's a that's actually a really good point.
Emiliath (02:07:54.803)
He needs his own solo game.
MoonKiller (02:07:55.394)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:08:01.503)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:08:08.682)
like a BP one trick and it's like it's cool to see that. Yeah, Songju. Like I feel so bad. Yeah. Like I feel bad for like so many of this you're seeing him clips where he's yeah, he's throwing his whole kit times two plus old. He doesn't get a kill. And it's just like wow that sucks. I do I don't like when people post clips of them trying to one V six and then get mad when they don't get a kill. That does piss me off sometimes. But you know it's just it's one or the other, you know? It's just like I feel bad.
Emiliath (02:08:10.611)
Shout out to Somju.
Coach Mills (02:08:11.026)
I was about to say that Sharon Saju.
I love I love some G some.
Emiliath (02:08:22.781)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:08:31.84)
Right. Yeah, that's actually a very, very interesting point 'cause like almost every character is like they can output consistent value. Like it's like it's like non stop, like the whole like the fights last a long time. BP's like the only character that's just like he gets value in like five seconds or like nothing at all for like a long time. Maybe he should be reworked. I don't know. That's a that's an interesting thing 'cause he's like kind of unique in that regard.
Emiliath (02:08:44.467)
Mm.
OtakuNot (02:08:45.303)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:08:50.342)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:08:56.627)
Yeah.
Like Widow, it's like I feel bad for Widow mains that we're playing her before, and now everyone just plays Widow because she's just a M1 simulator. Like she's broken. She's broken. She's so yeah, like she's so strong.
MoonKiller (02:09:01.902)
Hmm.
Yeah Yeah Seems like a lot of people want... broken yeah pick or ban pick or ban for sure a lot of I feel like a lot of people are saying like a lot of characters need rework Yeah, like you guys are saying with BP Wondaya
Emiliath (02:09:07.571)
It's kind of really good right now.
Coach Mills (02:09:08.96)
She's she's broke she's actually broken.
Emiliath (02:09:13.992)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:09:20.724)
Yeah. Well I mean they've been working on this like this new team up system for so long. That's probably like what they spent most of their time on. Maybe they have more time to like revisit some of these characters.
OtakuNot (02:09:21.942)
We said Wanda earlier.
MoonKiller (02:09:28.31)
Yeah. Right.
Maybe now, yeah. They're like, have this big update, chill for a bit.
CaptainCoach (02:09:34.958)
It's
Coach Mills (02:09:37.498)
Yeah, yeah, and then you know.
CaptainCoach (02:09:39.403)
Is that good for the game to I mean, by all measures, Widow is a more generic hero now? I mean the sniper identity was something she uniquely had and I know I know she still has it in her alt, but that's not most of the time. Is that a good direction for the game or should there be heroes that remain weak but have a very unique identity? What do you think's better?
OtakuNot (02:09:59.776)
Yeah, I feel like y you might know this a lot too, is like League of Legends characters are constantly getting reworked. I th Overwatch it's happened a few times, so it's just like well, this kinda sucks, but like the power creep is happening, so like this character is getting left behind, Wanda still dead in a ditch. Like she needs something to keep up with it. But you need to keep true to her character for people who still play her. Like I do feel bad for the Black Widow, like players like
MoonKiller (02:10:07.758)
True.
MoonKiller (02:10:13.006)
You
OtakuNot (02:10:29.452)
There's no sniping. It's not as I think even when I kinda play her for like when I LARP, it's just cool to like hit that one head like the headshot, you know, when you're playing her pre weary work. Now you're like M1 and playing Punisher. It's just like I don't know. There's not uniqueness to it.
CaptainCoach (02:10:38.297)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:10:47.233)
I mean like at a certain point you could keep wanna exactly the way she is to just keep plus wanting the damage on her suck until she's eventually a meta hero, but it wouldn't probably be very fun or balanced to play against.
MoonKiller (02:10:55.202)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:10:55.987)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:10:58.72)
When she has an eighty percent win rate in gold, yeah, like that's how that's what you'd have to do legitimately.
OtakuNot (02:10:59.712)
Yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:11:02.923)
Yeah. Well that's what they did with Blade, kinda, and he's getting there, right? So Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:11:08.808)
Yeah. He's not bad. He's pretty good. He's really good actually.
MoonKiller (02:11:11.648)
Yeah, it's okay.
Coach Mills (02:11:14.976)
Okay, so here's the last question and then I have a fun question to l wrap things up, but this is the last like serious question. someone in my chat said this. an a one above all support players said this. He said Support at the highest levels takes the biggest brain than every role. Agree or disgay this is No, it it's it it's it's but I'll guess.
OtakuNot (02:11:30.71)
Wait, who said that? I wanna hear who said that. No. I don't know, someone answered this first.
MoonKiller (02:11:32.918)
Hahaha
Emiliath (02:11:34.907)
Emiliath (02:11:41.523)
I personally have always thought it's tank.
MoonKiller (02:11:41.856)
support
CaptainCoach (02:11:46.425)
See, I'm a I'm a tank player and I I actually think it's support. I actually think it's support.
Coach Mills (02:11:47.816)
No, not Hulk players. No, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Not Hulk players. No, no, I'm just kidding. I'm kidding.
Emiliath (02:11:49.924)
Really? Not Hulk players. Okay. No, I just feel like it's like tank requires the most awareness and it's so hard to know what's going on behind you and also mitigate like what's happening in front of you. And to properly use your ults as tank, because I feel like a lot of people don't use their ults to counter other things and lower ranks anyway and higher ranks they do. I don't know. I just feel like you're doing so much as tank.
MoonKiller (02:11:50.08)
I was gonna say, I think it is support.
MoonKiller (02:12:08.718)
you
CaptainCoach (02:12:19.919)
You know what, you've convinced me actually. Yeah, I agree. I definitely agree.
Emiliath (02:12:20.148)
Coach Mills (02:12:22.24)
Can we can we agree that DPS requires the least brain? Well I think we can all agree so.
OtakuNot (02:12:22.765)
Ha ha.
MoonKiller (02:12:23.137)
Hahaha
Emiliath (02:12:27.567)
It it requires the least amount of game sense, I think. Like you just you you get rewarded for mechanical skill, which like is a skill of itself.
CaptainCoach (02:12:27.691)
I I agree with that.
OtakuNot (02:12:30.206)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:12:34.612)
W I'm 'cause we've been talking about like right. I mean w
OtakuNot (02:12:37.165)
But everyone should have that.
CaptainCoach (02:12:39.171)
Wait, Mills, we we got last pod we had all the DPS players. Now it's the tanks and healers ganging up on the DPS.
Coach Mills (02:12:45.092)
Yeah, yeah, exactly. That's that's w the we are the LARPers that like adapt to whatever l lobby we're in. but I mean that's we talked about it like tanks and supports, like a a lot of wha how we win games is by enabling DPS, right? Like we kind of serve things up on a platter and then we have them mechanically execute the things that we've set up for them. Not necessarily like think about like they don't have to think as much, right, to set up these things 'cause like supports and dep and tanks are doing it for them, like a lot of the time.
MoonKiller (02:12:59.501)
Alright.
MoonKiller (02:13:11.118)
Hmm.
Coach Mills (02:13:14.641)
what do you think, Moodkiller?
OtakuNot (02:13:15.715)
I agree with takes, honestly.
MoonKiller (02:13:18.402)
Yeah, I was gonna say either definitely tanks or supports. I don't like everybody's everybody's targeted support, right? When you're in a game, you always know like when the supports can have all like everybody's number one focus is a support, right? So learning how to live that I guess is also like definitely super high skill skill gap, I suppose but also with like But also tank as well. I'm not too sure I can I'm not too sure I haven't played tank in like super high elo, but
Coach Mills (02:13:18.582)
interesting.
CaptainCoach (02:13:47.267)
It it depends what tank I feel like.
Coach Mills (02:13:49.05)
Yeah, that's true.
MoonKiller (02:13:49.056)
I agree, yeah. I think a lot of things are a little bit more like, it's not as black and white as I wish it could be answered with.
Coach Mills (02:13:53.258)
Is it
CaptainCoach (02:13:54.083)
Like Thor.
Emiliath (02:13:54.759)
I guess my default and my brain is Mag. Like I feel like he's just like the the tank. Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:13:57.335)
That's what I was thinking. The staple. Yeah. And people don't utilize him all the time. Like his ult can be used for a lot of different things, whether it's tempo, countering a cloak or eating something grut, or you're just doing it for damage and positioning in space. It's like there's a lot of utility with small things like that that people don't think of sometimes.
MoonKiller (02:14:01.934)
Mm.
Coach Mills (02:14:01.994)
G
Emiliath (02:14:06.833)
Mm.
Emiliath (02:14:14.791)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:14:20.968)
I I kind of I actually I think I would be probably on support here for the ha biggest brain at the highest levels. Just because like site like people like Saipe are like like five accounts in top ten, like he's obviously like able to just be even in the sea of like all these players playing well, he's just playing better, like and it's not he's not mechanically doing anything better, right? He's just being smarter. I also think like the top caps are like
psych like they're crazy. I don't know. the top caps are just doing some crazy stuff I don't even understand. I d really don't get it. Feels like they're everywhere and they're never low and they never die. I d I d I like I don't I don't get it.
MoonKiller (02:14:50.508)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:14:58.269)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:15:01.224)
I feel like mechanics like everything like that should just be basics like even for aiming I feel like not even just like DPS needs to like know how to aim but supports and tanks as well I don't know all of these like basic mechanics everybody should have in higher elo in my opinion
Coach Mills (02:15:18.504)
okay, so for the last kind of wrap up question we like to ask our guests, what you know what character from Marvel would you like to see? And I Moonkiller, I know you might not know this one, so yeah, you you you could also you could also say like like like an ability or something an effect from like another game, you could talk about that too.
MoonKiller (02:15:30.602)
shoot. god.
OtakuNot (02:15:32.237)
She goes first, she goes first.
Emiliath (02:15:32.499)
Google Google
CaptainCoach (02:15:33.44)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (02:15:41.249)
Yeah. Something from another game that you thought w and then we can maybe see think what that would be in Marvel, like
Coach Mills (02:15:46.888)
Yeah. Yeah. but but yeah, like in in in theme for for Otaku and and Lit like a support
MoonKiller (02:15:51.436)
Yeah, actually, I think Batman would be a really cool person to add.
Coach Mills (02:15:56.028)
Wait, wait, what what'd you say? okay
CaptainCoach (02:15:56.058)
Wait who?
MoonKiller (02:15:57.624)
Batman! I love Batman. Batman's a really cool character. Like you said him earlier!
Coach Mills (02:16:03.794)
W would he be a str would he be a strategist? I mean he has to be, right? He he has to be a strategist. that's a that's D one Larf. I love it. That's crazy. Well you played Valorant, so like if you had a Valorant ability or or like ultimate from Valorant into this game.
CaptainCoach (02:16:07.159)
Could be.
MoonKiller (02:16:07.886)
don't even know what he does I just know his name Yeah bro, I lowkey can't answer this question bro I don't know anybody Oh god
CaptainCoach (02:16:10.189)
my god.
MoonKiller (02:16:21.762)
Wait, imagine like... like...
CaptainCoach (02:16:23.417)
Favorite anime character maybe, you know?
MoonKiller (02:16:26.146)
flashing? I don't know. Fucking see the sun, Phoenix flash, Yoru flash, Sky flash, Breach flash. Everybody gets to see the sun in this game too,
Coach Mills (02:16:28.142)
you wanna you wanna you wanna get you wanna like like KO flash? no. we're really blind. We're really fucking blind We're so blind Unbelievably blind
Emiliath (02:16:37.882)
God.
MoonKiller (02:16:41.518)
I don't- Oh god! I know this is like- Look, he's horrible for me, I'm so sorry I have no... No knowledge... I know, I don't know... Oh, oh, sorry, sorry! I was supposed to say the Flash, like the hero character? I mean, the character- Yeah, they told me to say the Flash and I thought they were talking about... Valorant Flash? Oh god! Oh, I've been set up, I've been set up, I've been set up! No, no, no!
CaptainCoach (02:16:45.423)
Wait we we we we're actually making you go first though. Like what are we doing? Does anyone else want to go?
Coach Mills (02:16:48.391)
Hey.
Coach Mills (02:16:56.726)
nice.
Coach Mills (02:17:01.757)
Ha ha.
Emiliath (02:17:02.675)
That's also DC.
CaptainCoach (02:17:03.02)
no, that's that's also a yeah.
OtakuNot (02:17:05.475)
Yeah, don't listen to them, don't l
Coach Mills (02:17:06.014)
Ha ha.
Emiliath (02:17:10.215)
Ha ha ha.
CaptainCoach (02:17:11.353)
I love her all just sitting here watching you squirm. Like anyone else have something?
Coach Mills (02:17:13.526)
Yeah. Okay, what would you like to see?
Emiliath (02:17:13.747)
I can I can go first. I can go first. I want Nightcrawler's support. I might have said this in the last pod, but I want Nightcrawler's support. I think it'd be fun to ban Finn and out. I don't think they'll do him as a support because of White Fox.
MoonKiller (02:17:13.998)
shoot.
OtakuNot (02:17:14.723)
Mm.
MoonKiller (02:17:18.935)
You
Coach Mills (02:17:21.044)
Let's go.
CaptainCoach (02:17:23.929)
Yes.
MoonKiller (02:17:34.049)
you
Coach Mills (02:17:34.74)
You you think you would have like
Emiliath (02:17:35.439)
Ironically, I also want a tank. I want Bishop as a tank. I think he'd make a sick tank.
OtakuNot (02:17:41.911)
That recorded.
Coach Mills (02:17:42.398)
Be like like Zarya a little bit, you think?
Emiliath (02:17:45.307)
Yeah, yeah, like you charge him up. Kinda like Doomfist or yeah, yeah.
Coach Mills (02:17:49.6)
That would be dope. What about you, Otakuna, what what kind of character would you like to see?
OtakuNot (02:17:54.227)
She's my one of my favorite characters that is so not yeah sh but we already have Jubilee, so like she's like she's the David Bowie girl. She has the David Bowie lightning bolt, she's an X-Men.
Emiliath (02:18:00.371)
That's where we go crazy. Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:18:01.768)
Am I LARPing now? Dazzle I I don't know.
CaptainCoach (02:18:03.992)
I don't know who that is.
CaptainCoach (02:18:09.655)
Wait, that's literally what Moon wants. Converts sound vibrations into blinding light.
Coach Mills (02:18:10.112)
MoonKiller (02:18:13.326)
wait! Flash! Flashing! Bloined it! Hawk out!
OtakuNot (02:18:14.207)
Yeah, it's like we already have Jubilee, so like And then I also wanted a Green Goblin. Green Goblin would be so cool as a flying support that was like an active, like more engaging Ultron. I think Green Goblin would be so cool with his the bombs or a glider, guns, like I think that'd be so cool. We need more Spider Man characters too.
Coach Mills (02:18:15.52)
Jesus Christ. my god, we are bla we are so blind. We can't see anything. my god.
Emiliath (02:18:16.526)
There you go, Moon.
CaptainCoach (02:18:18.583)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:18:34.702)
Mm.
Emiliath (02:18:40.273)
I w I was gonna say they should add Spider Man villains specifically. I feel like he has the best villains.
Coach Mills (02:18:45.748)
They do. They need a lot of influence.
CaptainCoach (02:18:46.479)
They don't have a lot of evely type supports, like like darker and more gritty. It's more yeah, like like a monster or something.
OtakuNot (02:18:52.726)
Ultron.
Emiliath (02:18:55.099)
And Loki kind of, but he's not really a bad guy anymore.
CaptainCoach (02:18:58.479)
What about
OtakuNot (02:18:58.51)
a man thing would be cool. I love man thing.
CaptainCoach (02:19:02.221)
I don't know what that is either.
Emiliath (02:19:02.323)
I don't know who that is, I'm gonna be honest.
OtakuNot (02:19:04.785)
he's like s what's like a green forest monster Cthulhu character it's like a Cthulhu type character. He looks cool, right? It'd be so it's so cool. I love Manthing.
Emiliath (02:19:09.967)
yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:19:12.875)
I would totally play this. I love this. Hold up. Let me let me get a picture up.
MoonKiller (02:19:21.826)
What if we added another flyer or something? I don't know like- Wait, is Valkyrie a flyer? Valkyrie from that one Thor movie?
OtakuNot (02:19:25.549)
Superman, we could do Superman. he's so cool. yeah, this should be cool.
Coach Mills (02:19:31.348)
Man thing. You gotta make it like huge, but yeah.
Emiliath (02:19:31.453)
Yeah, doesn't she ri she rides a horse or something, I think? Like a Pegasus?
MoonKiller (02:19:34.29)
yeah, what if that- like the character Rell Wait wait coach, what if like- what if like Valkyrie from like that one Thor movie? Like- like kinda like similar to like Rell, how Rell is for rivals Can you imagine that?
OtakuNot (02:19:35.873)
See, I love my thing.
CaptainCoach (02:19:45.989)
yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, that that I could definitely see them doing that. I mean she was like a mink yeah.
MoonKiller (02:19:50.828)
I was gonna say that I was trying to think of that character's name but yeah Valkyrie and like maybe something similar to how Rell is and in League on Rivals kind of something like that yeah something like that right for cuz she but yeah maybe so I see I see
OtakuNot (02:19:59.184)
Raoul, the the girl on the horse, right? That'd be cool. We already have Angela though. It's like yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:20:00.473)
yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:20:04.153)
That's yeah, kinda Angela, yeah.
OtakuNot (02:20:09.164)
But I just looked at aesthetic. I that's just really bad as yeah.
MoonKiller (02:20:11.662)
But like as a DPS or something? I don't know. I know, I don't know.
CaptainCoach (02:20:12.653)
Yeah. Now I want Heimdall. Teleport your their whole team to different places? That'd be so cool. That could be a support too, support ability, like a teleport.
OtakuNot (02:20:20.876)
Yeah. Definitely just see more villains for sure.
Coach Mills (02:20:23.104)
I still
CaptainCoach (02:20:25.326)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:20:26.26)
I'd I'd really do want kitty pride as a support. I think it'd be so cool. I'd just be so cool. Like that's how you get to run, you get to kite, like someone dives you, you're just through the wall, you know? Like that's so cool. It does sound toxic, yeah. But it but if it's a cooldown that like if it's on like a ten second cooldown, you go through a wall, now you're away from your team, so you can't heal them, you know, like so like that's like part of it. Right? So you're
OtakuNot (02:20:30.53)
Should be so cool.
Emiliath (02:20:30.791)
Yeah. She would be.
CaptainCoach (02:20:32.057)
Just just the wolf from
OtakuNot (02:20:37.932)
That looks so toxic that just sounds toxic.
Emiliath (02:20:37.947)
Yeah. It's like it's like the black cat of of support.
OtakuNot (02:20:48.032)
Yeah.
Emiliath (02:20:50.183)
You'd also have to be against a wall that leads to another like platform. Like it can't just be any wall.
Coach Mills (02:20:55.166)
Your positioning probably maybe you have I don't know what your ult is. Maybe everyone sinks into the ground or something. I don't know. I don't know. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:20:55.351)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:21:00.502)
Hm. Yeah, she could like pull you through or something. You all CC'd or something. There's just s amen, no there you go.
Emiliath (02:21:01.171)
Disappear into the e other either.
MoonKiller (02:21:07.528)
Ant-Man! Sorry. I was looking at all the rivals. I mean, all the Marvel people.
Coach Mills (02:21:09.616)
Who it
CaptainCoach (02:21:09.784)
Nice
Emiliath (02:21:10.419)
Hmm.
Coach Mills (02:21:16.848)
Wait, they already did it with the pin particle thing in like you know the you know the pin particle thing and when you're in at Times Square, where you can make yourself huge? Like like they well they like that's like one part of his kit probably. It's like being huge. Right, yeah, he has to like there's no way he's not.
OtakuNot (02:21:24.423)
yeah, that is true. You t this thing.
Emiliath (02:21:25.224)
yeah, yeah, they did, yeah.
CaptainCoach (02:21:29.869)
He's definitely gonna be a tank. A hundred percent. Ant man in a tank. Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:21:33.27)
Yeah. It's just it's literally Marvel. There's so many people to choose from. Like like that you can make their abilities just look cooler or add more stuff, you know? Like I just want more villains though for sure. We need that.
MoonKiller (02:21:35.348)
Ant-Man.
Coach Mills (02:21:38.4)
just
Emiliath (02:21:38.983)
Mm.
CaptainCoach (02:21:49.231)
Definitely.
Coach Mills (02:21:49.758)
A hundred percent. Well, is there anything else y'all wanted to talk about as we wrap things up? Any any you know, strong opinions, hot takes, anything you wanted to say as we close things out?
Emiliath (02:22:03.348)
I don't feel like I have hot takes. I just this I don't know. This season's weird. It's just weird. Matchmaking I think is my biggest issue with this season.
Coach Mills (02:22:05.965)
Hey
MoonKiller (02:22:10.37)
Lots of adjust too, I think. Lots of adjusting. Yeah. Finding out new ways to play with all these team ups.
Emiliath (02:22:14.567)
Mm-hmm.
Coach Mills (02:22:19.316)
I guess like out of ten, like how do you feel about the season? Like one through ten?
MoonKiller (02:22:27.726)
Look, he always a 10 out of 10 for me. I always have fun. I don't bro. I used to be lurking my way bro I just lurked my way entirely through this game. I just enjoy what I do. I just play the game Yeah, yeah for sure
Coach Mills (02:22:30.017)
Let's go.
OtakuNot (02:22:30.806)
Hmm.
Emiliath (02:22:31.379)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:22:33.94)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:22:36.546)
I'm gonna it is fun. I think just something new is always cool. Like but I think like rating this season for me is like a eight. I wanna see what they keep doing with this stuff. I think it's really a good improvement. just w have more fun, no more boring stuff. And yeah, I agree.
Coach Mills (02:22:36.72)
Yeah.
MoonKiller (02:22:56.748)
though.
Coach Mills (02:23:00.768)
What about ML?
Emiliath (02:23:00.985)
I would probably say an eight or nine for the like newness of it all and the team ups. I think the team ups are great. And like a three because of matchmaking. Like I genuinely am bashing my head into a wall with this matchmaking. Like it's crazy how bad it is this season.
Coach Mills (02:23:15.199)
Yeah.
OtakuNot (02:23:16.694)
That's true.
Coach Mills (02:23:18.762)
Yeah, they should definitely do something about that.
CaptainCoach (02:23:21.751)
Almost got through a whole episode without saying EOM.
Coach Mills (02:23:24.612)
Yeah, that this this was this was shootin'. This is shoot in it's shoot.
Emiliath (02:23:25.389)
Ps I don't believe in eowomen, just to be clear, that is not at all
MoonKiller (02:23:25.432)
Mm-hmm.
CaptainCoach (02:23:28.143)
Check.
MoonKiller (02:23:29.866)
Really?
OtakuNot (02:23:31.01)
It's just I just believe in we have shitty player base. Like that's it's just no all the support means are gone. Has anyone noticed that? I'm I'm really?
MoonKiller (02:23:35.288)
That's true.
Emiliath (02:23:40.253)
have too many in my games. I I'm I'm forced on tank and like ninety percent of my games le okay, that's dramatic. It's like sixty, but
OtakuNot (02:23:47.2)
Yeah. Jeez. Again, we all have different experiences sometimes, so
Emiliath (02:23:52.528)
Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:23:54.912)
First off, Moonkiller, where can people find you if they they they like what you're about and they want to support you? What what can people see?
MoonKiller (02:24:00.69)
Aww. Moon Killer FPS on... I think every... Yeah, every social Moon Killer FPS.
Coach Mills (02:24:09.098)
Yes, okay. Where are you most active?
MoonKiller (02:24:11.79)
Twitch and Twitter and TikTok. I stream every day.
Coach Mills (02:24:14.313)
Okay.
Coach Mills (02:24:18.168)
Atakuna, where can people find you if they want to see you lock support? Roast.
OtakuNot (02:24:23.221)
Yeah, I talk and that's my handle. I'm streaming pretty much almost every day and then I try to post as much TikToks as I can and you start doing that more often. But yeah, same with me.
Coach Mills (02:24:36.848)
And and and I'm am alive where where can people come to support you?
Emiliath (02:24:41.115)
Moliath, the same way it's spell wait, can they see our names on screen? Same way it's spelled on screen? Stream? Screen?
Coach Mills (02:24:45.76)
I don't think so. is it all of y'all on Twitter, by the way? Is everyone on or X or whatever? so I'll I'll probably put the I'll put y'all's at like right here on everyone's picture so they can find y'all. but yeah, okay, awesome. Thank y'all guys so much for coming on the podcast and make sure you check out
CaptainCoach (02:24:49.443)
I don't I don't think so. I don't think so.
Emiliath (02:24:51.793)
Okay, E I L I A T H
MoonKiller (02:24:57.164)
Yes, yes.
OtakuNot (02:24:57.655)
Yeah, yeah.
Emiliath (02:24:58.638)
Yes, but there's a one in my name on Twitter.
Okay.
MoonKiller (02:25:03.884)
Yay.
OtakuNot (02:25:04.941)
Okay.
Emiliath (02:25:06.673)
Okay. Yeah.
Coach Mills (02:25:14.29)
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CaptainCoach (02:25:20.632)
Aí
Emiliath (02:25:20.724)
Thanks, bye. Thank you guys.
OtakuNot (02:25:21.325)
Thank you.
MoonKiller (02:25:21.762)
Thanks guys, thank you.