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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. Folks, elections have consequences. Living in America right now, looking around at our country, looking at the border, looking at the economy, looking at just day to day life in America, you can see elections have consequences. And what happened in 2020 and the far left turn this country took in 2020, we're experiencing what that is like now.
Seth Holehouse:And I think that there's very few people in America that aren't aware of the consequences of a stolen election. Like, we're living it right here in America. And as we're approaching this presidential election coming up, which right now is Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris, though she might be switched out. We have no idea what the plan is there. I would say certainly that the election that is approaching is arguably the single most important election in the history of this country.
Seth Holehouse:I think it is election that might just determine the fate of this country. And we're gonna be talking about this tonight, and we'll be looking at how this election is being manipulated already and what to expect. And then I've got an interview with doctor Robert Epstein, one of the the key people in helping people understand the the the true nature of how big tech can control our elections. So that's gonna be coming in the second half of today's show. But first, though, we're gonna be talking about what's happening in Venezuela with Maduro.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely train wreck. Significant things are happening on there, and we'll be diving into that. But before we get started, a few show notes. First off, if you're watching on Rumble, first off, thank you. Okay?
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Seth Holehouse:So we're gonna be first looking at Venezuela, the elections there, what happened with Maduro. We're gonna then be looking at the interference that we're already seeing with this upcoming presidential election in America, And then I've got a an interview with doctor Robert Epstein. So first off, taking a look at Venezuela. Okay. So pull up just a New York Times article, and I intentionally pulled up New York Times article because even New York Times, the publication that would refuse to acknowledge any kind of foul play in the twenty twenty election in America, even they are looking what's happening in Venezuela and saying, hey.
Seth Holehouse:Something is not right. So I'll read a little bit from here. Venezuela's Autocrat is declared winner in tainted election. The result, which would give Nicolas Maduro six more years as dictator or sorry, as president, was disputed by the opposition, and The United States said it had serious concerns. So the global community is speaking out against this election.
Seth Holehouse:It was that bad. And I'll I'll show you some proof of that in Venezuela. Even Blinken has spoken out about it. Miss Kamala Harris, she put out a tweet congratulating Maduro on the win, which seems to fall in line with with with okay. You got what I'm saying there.
Seth Holehouse:But we're having countries and and and world leaders and people around the world speaking out about what happened there. So I'll read a little bit more here from this New York Times article. Says Venezuela's Authoritarian Leader, which I guess, you know, give him credit for calling him authoritarian, Nicolas Maduro was declared the winner of the country's tumultuous presidential election early Monday despite enormous momentum from an opposition movement that had been convinced this was the year it would oust mister Maduro's socialist inspired party. I wouldn't say socialist inspired. I'd probably say communist or socialist, which is the precursor to communism.
Seth Holehouse:It says the vote was riddled with irregularities, and citizens were angrily protesting the government's actions at voting centers even as the results were announced. I mean, it kinda reminds me of what happened in 2020. Right? There's some irregularities. I just I wish that New York Times would have reported on the irregularities in our own country that happened in 2020 instead of just, you know, toeing the party line and and, you know, obviously, we know exactly the role they played.
Seth Holehouse:But if you want if you want some proof that the election was stolen, I've got it right here in this very simple little chart. So this is a the Venezuelan state sponsored news has aired this as the official result from the election. Now the problem is that the total of all these different votes adds up to a 9%. Right? So, you know, maybe they don't teach math in the communist school system, but you can see it.
Seth Holehouse:It's it's almost comical. But they have the percentage that each candidate received. And but if you actually add them up, they add up to a 9%, which is just laughable. But this is this is just how absurd this is. It's it's absolutely how absurd.
Seth Holehouse:It's almost like, you know, to to win the election for Maduro, they just made up an extra 9%. Right? They've defied the laws of math. And to steal the election, they have said, you know what? Let's just go ahead and add an extra 9%.
Seth Holehouse:So we're gonna make it a 9% to make sure that Maduro wins and get and comes out on top. Alright. Now, I have a good post here from Charlie Kirk, though. It's kinda walking us through a few things that are happening. So here from Charlie, he says, protesters are tearing down statues of Hugo Hugo Chavez as supporters of opposition candidate Edmundo Gonzalez claimed that he won a landslide victory over communist dictator Nicolas Maduro, who they say rigged the election.
Seth Holehouse:So Elon Musk, Naeem Bukele, and Marco Rubio have called the results fraudulent, and even Tony Blinken has said he has serious concerns. Maduro has activated the military to arrest protesters, but so far, it appears they'd have to arrest hundreds of thousands of people, a physical impossibility. It it appears Maduro's house of cards is about to collapse. And, yeah, I mean, these these old voting lines from November, it's just the same it's the same pattern, the same playbook in all these different countries. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It's it's not he who votes. It's he who counts the votes. Now there's been a lot of other content. This isn't gonna be a heavy Venezuela episode, but there's been a lot of content coming out that is showing, like, really what you what appears to be some sort of civil war erupting in Venezuela. You've got videos of protesters on the street being shot.
Seth Holehouse:You have, you know, them kind of progressing towards Maduro's residence. You've got a massive army on the streets. But what's interesting, though, is that you have the policemen and the army in a lot of instances that we're seeing on social media that are taking off their uniform and they're siding with the protesters. And this is really key because that spells the end. Right?
Seth Holehouse:When the police or the army actually side with the protesters, and they say, look, Maduro, I'm not gonna carry this out. I'm not gonna kill my fellow citizens because of this. It's it's a really telling sign. Now it makes me think, like, what will happen in America? Like, if there is a a massive and blatant theft of the election, which you can see the precursors for that type of activity, right, the polling numbers, the what's happening with social media, etcetera, which we'll be getting into, you can see they are setting the stage for another theft of the election here in 2024.
Seth Holehouse:But it this makes me wonder, though, what will the reaction of the American people be? Because you can see in Venezuela, I mean, these people understand communism. They understand socialism. They understand what happens when one of the one of the greatest nations on Earth falls into the trap of socialism and communism, and it becomes absolutely destroyed. Now we know that the globalists and the communists, this is their goal for America, is to have us follow the exact same path.
Seth Holehouse:But it makes me wonder, though, what will happen if they blatantly steal this election in 2024? How will the American people react? Because I think that, honestly, I think a lot of American people are literally at the edge. Like, they are this close to just throwing their hat in the ring and saying, look, it doesn't matter. I I I have to do something about this.
Seth Holehouse:I think they're they're really being pushed to the edge. I hope we don't get there. I hope that that's not the outcome, but you just you never know. So continuing, actually, here's a here's actually a really good tweet from MJ Truth over on Twitter says, I hope America is paying attention to what's been happening in Venezuela. Venezuela was captured by socialism twenty five years ago, and the people have suffered and have been desperately trying to claw their way out ever since.
Seth Holehouse:Countless dead middle class was wiped out. The military and all their natural resources were ravaged. And here they are twenty five years later trying to save their country from that massive mistake. America right now is at a crossroads in history. If we lose this election in Harris or whichever socialist puppet they try to install as elected president, it will take a lot longer than twenty five years to get our country back if ever.
Seth Holehouse:If America falls, so does the world, and a one world government takeover will be cemented for the foreseeable future. From now until November, we have to educate as many people as possible on what's going on. Can you clearly define what socialism is, what communism, and Marxism is if someone asked you? I will say this with all sincerity. Do everything in your power to wake people up now before it's too late.
Seth Holehouse:We're all in this together for God, for country, for humanity. And he shared this little timeline, which I think is worth looking at, about Venezuela. So '92 became the third richest country in the hemisphere. '97 became second larger purchaser of f one fifty trucks. Interesting tidbit.
Seth Holehouse:02/2011, voted for socialist president based upon income and equality. 02/2004, private health care is completely socialized. O seven, all higher education becomes free. O nine, socialist banned private ownership of guns. Pay attention to that one, folks.
Seth Holehouse:Right? This this is what happens. If you look at any time the totalitarian system has come in and taken over a country, the disarming of the citizens is absolutely a step that has to be taken, which is also makes me wonder what would this look like in America. Because you look at the protests happening in Venezuela, you know, primarily, these are unarmed people. These are people yeah.
Seth Holehouse:Of course, there's gonna be guns on the street. Criminals have guns. There's probably some other guns that are still floating around, But we're not talking about the hundreds of millions of guns that we have here in America. I just I really I hope that America does not go down that path, because I do not want to see America enter into a civil war, because it will be very bloody, and it will not be good. So February okay.
Seth Holehouse:That was an o nine. They banned guns. Okay. 02/2012, Bernie Sanders praises their American dream. Okay.
Seth Holehouse:Of course. Thanks, Bernie. Twenty fourteen opposition leaders are imprisoned. Right? And this is the point that he's making.
Seth Holehouse:He's saying, you are here. Opposition leaders imprisoned. This is again, another trait of what happens when a communist regime is taking over a country and stripping away freedoms. One of the things you'll see them do is imprison the opposition. Yeah.
Seth Holehouse:I wonder if we're seeing any kind of political persecution of anybody in America here. I don't know. Maybe. Ask mister Trump about that. 2016, food and health care sabot or shortages become widespread.
Seth Holehouse:2017, constitution and elections are suspended. 2019, unarmed citizens massacred by their own government. And this isn't just Venezuela, folks. This is every country that's fallen into communism, totalitarian systems, whether it's, you know, Russia, whether it is China, Cambodia, any number of countries. This is the playbook.
Seth Holehouse:This is what happens. Okay? You take these beautiful successful countries, and after ten, twenty years, their people are starving. Crime rates are through the roof. I mean, it's absolute destruction and absolute decimation of all that is holy and all that is good.
Seth Holehouse:But it's interesting, though, because you look at this graph, and, you know, twenty fourteen opposition leaders are in prison. Twenty sixteen, food and health care shortages. So we're seeing that a lot. Now there's a comment below this, which I think is worth mentioning and taking a look at. This from Citizen Caller who comments is next on the timeline are food shortages.
Seth Holehouse:How interesting that the New York Times is preparing people to accept the reality with an article telling them that climate change means a lot of familiar foods will disappear from their grocery store shelves. So and we've we've been seeing this. Right? We've seen so many indicators of food shortages coming. So it's just something to be aware of, because that's how they control population.
Seth Holehouse:Right? You know, go back to Kissinger. Right? Henry Kissinger talked about basically controlling the food control. You control the people through controlling the food.
Seth Holehouse:This is something that everyone's very well aware of. When you look at what's happened in The United States, you look at all the food factories burning, you see the factories being shut down because of bird flu, the chickens being called, the cattle being slaughtered. The government literally, you know, paying farms to shut down. They're buying off farms so that they shut down. Okay?
Seth Holehouse:They are also allowing the CCP and people like Bill Gates to buy up mass amounts of farmland. You can see this is the playbook. Right? This is the playbook of what I think is one of the big things that comes next. So just a little bit of a plug here is if you if you don't have a food supply, if you don't have my honest recommendation is at least three months per person.
Seth Holehouse:Like, you look at what's happening in Venezuela. You look at what happens in these countries. You can see what happens. Right? When the government seizes control of the food supply, they always screw it up, and people end up starving to death.
Seth Holehouse:Like, look at, you know, the famines of communism that you've seen over in China. The Hall Of The More. Right? Starvation and famine is a big, big thing. So just a just a question for you to ask yourself is if tomorrow you couldn't go buy groceries I really have a serious thought about this.
Seth Holehouse:If tomorrow, for whatever reason, whether it was a grid down scenario, whether it was some sort of civil war scenario, or just widespread lot you know, rioting and looting where the grocery stores are getting hit and no longer safe, if you could no longer go purchase new food, how long would you be able to feed your family for? It's a really important question. Right? Water is also a very important resource, but in terms of food and calories, how long would you be to feed your family for? Right?
Seth Holehouse:My goal I mean, we've got a couple years worth, which is being honest with you, because I take it very seriously, because I know too much about what happens when there's not food, but it's a it's a good question for you to ask yourself. Now, a lot of the survival food companies, they sell these big food buckets, but what they do though, is they're all competing for calories. Right? So it's all about getting it's the cheapest per calorie, because they're shoving all kinds of crap in these buckets, like Kool Aid, and pudding stuff, and that kind of stuff. So you wanna get good quality.
Seth Holehouse:Now my personal favorite, I'll pull it up for you, is Heaven's Harvest. Right? This is this is the I just got a big box in, like, two days ago from these guys. Right? American Christian Patriots.
Seth Holehouse:I know I know the husband and wife that run this company. Really, really high quality food buckets. If you you take a look, you can get one week kits. You can get, you know, big, big kits. Like, they have it really easy to get.
Seth Holehouse:You can get seeds. They even have organic, so if if you want organic food buckets, they have organic. This is the place. So, again, just do your own assessment. Now whether you go to Heaven's Harvest or whether you go to any of the other big suppliers or you just go to Costco and buy a bunch of rice and put it into five gallon buckets with oxygen packets or whatever it is, honestly, folks, just make sure you have food of some sort.
Seth Holehouse:Alright? Again, my my recommendation is at least three to six months per person. At least three to six months per person, because that might be how long it takes for some sort of normalization of trade that, you know, to occur after a significant event happening in America. So if you want to buy high quality, I I recommend highly, highly recommend Heaven's Harvest. So website's heaven harve heavensharvest.com, and we got a promo code.
Seth Holehouse:So promo code Seth, s e t h, you get 15% off your entire order. So heavensharvest.com, promo code Seth. That link will be in the description. So jumping into now pivoting to talk about the US election, because obviously, this is you know, it's important to look what's happening in Venezuela, but we don't want America to become Venezuela. I think that all of us watching would agree on that.
Seth Holehouse:We don't want America to become Venezuela. As much as we're headed down that path, we still do have our elections, and there's some element of the will that people being able to express through the elections. I really believe that if enough of us turn out and we're vigilant enough that we can break whatever fraudulent system that they're trying to put up against us. Look what happened in 2016. But we are already seeing a lot of indicators showing that there is like, that that the the fraud and the manipulation of the elections is already beginning.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So I'm gonna pull up this. This is a tweet from Elon Musk. He says, wow. Google has a search ban on president Donald Trump.
Seth Holehouse:Election interference. Right? So a search ban so one of the ways that Google works in these searches is they have this predictive predictive searching. So if you go to Google and you type in, you know, president d, it'll fill it in. You know, Donald Trump or, you know, Dwight Eisenhower or whatever it is.
Seth Holehouse:Like, they'll fill in the potential matches. So the fact that no one shows up, right, and you've got the the two research results showing up are president Donald Duck and president Donald Reagan. It's it's laughable. Like, it's so obvious that this is already starting. It's not just that.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So here is I'll play a short video. This is Libs of TikTok who's saying that Amazon's Alexa is censoring Donald Trump's assassination attempt, saying it doesn't know that one when asked for details about it. So let me play this really quickly for you because this is, again, another instance of this.
Speaker 2:Alexa, what can you tell me about the assassination attempt on Donald Trump?
Seth Holehouse:Sorry. I don't know that one.
Speaker 2:Alexa, what can you tell me about the assassination attempt on Ronald Reagan?
Seth Holehouse:On 03/30/1981, President of The United States Yes. There you go. Now, I I've seen some posts because I have to be fair and give, you know, the opportunity out there. I have seen some posts suggesting that some of these AI systems, their database isn't as as current. Right?
Seth Holehouse:So they might be referencing historical events that up to, say, six months ago. Right? But that does not that's that might represent what's happening with Alexa, though I doubt it. Because I would think that I mean, you would think that if you're running an AI, whether it's ChatGPT or, you know, say, Grock on which is on Twitter or any number, know, Meta, their AI, you'd think that you'd have that database constantly refreshing, because how useful is it if your AI can't tell you anything that's real in the last six months? It's like, you know, I I can't I can't tell you what's happening.
Seth Holehouse:Doesn't make much sense. But continuing, though, so here's Meta. Here is a, you know, a post from Jack Sobbek who says, okay. So breaking Meta is now censoring actual photos of the Trump assassination. Now Meta has since come out and apologized for this publicly.
Seth Holehouse:Right? So they've acknowledged it. Now not because they felt guilty because they realized it was accidentally happening, but because there was so much backlash online, they had to come out and apologize. So here, you can see that people sharing the famous photo of Trump, you know, on July 13. Know, that Meta is saying, oh, it's an altered photo.
Seth Holehouse:You can't see it. It's fact checked because it's altered. So they're not even allowing people to share the photo of President Trump. Okay? Now, and here's some other search stuff.
Seth Holehouse:So this is some real time search. Again, this is also interesting. This is from Anomaly. Now, you can see, again, this is the predictive search. Right?
Seth Holehouse:When it adds in what you want, it shows you a lot about how the search engine engine operates and what the bias is. So if you go to Google, and you say, why is the media Google's next answers are, why is the media called the fourth estate? Why is the media important? Why is the media called the press? Why is the media called the fourth branch of the government?
Seth Holehouse:Why is the media so powerful? Now, you compare that with Bing, though even though Bing is Microsoft, and I don't trust it at all, a lot of folks have noticed, and that's my notice, research has shown me the same, that Bing does appear to be much less censored than Google. It's still heavily biased, as you'll see in the upcoming interview I've got for you tonight, but it's not as bad as Google. So if you look at the same search on Bing, why is the media so anti Trump, so liberal, against Trump, anti white, so awful? Right?
Seth Holehouse:Because these search suggestions that Google puts in are based upon other common searches. So it's like, why is the media so liberal, or why is the media so anti Trump? I would imagine is a way more popular search than why is the media called the press? I mean, really? Okay.
Seth Holehouse:I could see maybe you're searching for that, why is the media important? I mean, really? Anyway, just again, it shows a lot more information that is pointing out that, yes, this has already happened. But what they're doing is their memory hole in this whole assassination attempt because it's had a really positive effect on Trump. Right?
Seth Holehouse:It's like, okay. Yeah. They couldn't kill the guy, and now he's surging in polls. But, of course, the polls are coming out now. They're saying that, well, Kotmal's got a really strong chance.
Seth Holehouse:And, of course, they use these polls to manipulate public opinion. So what we're gonna get into so I have an interview for you with doctor Robert Epstein. Now this interview is actually an interview I did a few months ago, and it was so important. As I was looking at the landscape of what was happening right now, and looking at a lot of people talking about how big tech is interfering with the elections, etcetera, I thought, gosh, like, this interview I did needs to get a lot more eyeball eyeballs. So if you're not familiar with doctor Robert Epstein, and and we'll get into it in the interview, he's a a an absolutely brilliant man, and he's actually much more of a liberal, which is interesting.
Seth Holehouse:But he cares about freedom, and he wants to have, you know, a every vote counted not being interfered with. And so what he and his team has done, I'll give you a little bit of a preview, is they have put together this way of monitoring the influence that so that search and social media has on an election. So they've got, like, very, very solid evidence, literally evidence that's admissible in court, showing how big tech is able to sway an election, and it's absolutely mind blowing. I mean, it is absolutely mind blowing. So this interview, you're gonna you're gonna watch the whole thing.
Seth Holehouse:Make sure you watch the whole thing because it is absolutely insane how much big tech can sway elections. I know that a lot of us have been focused on exposing the voting machines, getting rid of the mail in ballots, you know, having everyone, you know, be hand counted, etcetera, not having voting process tied to the Internet. But when you look at the power that just Google Google I mean, just looking at Google, you look at the power that a single corporation has to sway elections. It is unprecedented. It's not just America.
Seth Holehouse:I think it's, like, 92% of the world's population is is the is using Google. I mean, it's absolutely insane. So please enjoy the interview. It's about an hour long, but it is if if you're trying to understand what's coming up in this next election, but also if you're looking for ways to help your friends and family that may not see with eye eye to eye politically, If you're looking for ways to help them understand how our elections are being controlled and manipulated, this video will be very, very good to show them, because it's not a it's not political. It's not about, like, hey, I'm super pro Trump, and I'm anti Biden, and this is not about that at all.
Seth Holehouse:It's actually like, okay, we we should have free and fair elections here in America, but we don't. And if you look at the role of big tech, you can see exactly what happens with them. So folks, please enjoy the interview, and make sure, again, make sure you hit follow button, that green button, and also make sure you go to maninamerica.com/win and enter to win that free silver. Alright, folks. Here we go.
Seth Holehouse:Please enjoy this interview with doctor Robert Epstein. Doctor Epstein, it is such an honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2:My pleasure.
Seth Holehouse:So I first came across your work, probably maybe even three, four, five years ago when I had seen your documentary, which I believe is called the creepy line. Is that right? That's the name of the name of it. And
Speaker 2:The creepy line, and then you can you can watch it at creepyline..0rg. Creepy line 0 r g.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. And it was mind blowing. It was and I guess maybe I'll let you just explain it. Explain that the the the basis of it in your work, and then then I'll just kinda take it from there because you're gonna do a better job than I am.
Speaker 2:Well, the documentary was made by Peter Schweitzer, who's very well known journalist and author, has written some best selling books. He's also become a good friend over the years. But he, he's the one who created this film, and it's not just just about me and my work. It's it's about the threat that big tech companies, especially Google, pose to, democracy. It talks about the surveillance problem, the censorship problem, and then it talks a lot about my work, which is on how these companies manipulate opinions and votes.
Speaker 2:And I recommend it highly. Again, it's a creepy line dot o r g because, they just did a fabulous job without my help, by the way, of explaining my research. And then they made lots of beautiful visuals to explain my research, and I have trouble explaining my research. So, this film is really great in that respect.
Seth Holehouse:And I think that now that we're entering into the election season again, and we we we've just passed the primaries, which, of course, everyone's talking about, election integrity is obviously very important. You know, we live in in a country where we are hopefully you're casting our votes, and those votes are being counted the right way, etcetera. And there's a lot of movements that are focused on election integrity, a lot of bipartisan movements that are focused on that, which is really good, because I think it's a it's really a civil rights issue to be able to cast a vote in this country and have it count. But what you've done and with your work, it paints a picture that I find far exceeds far outweighs. I mean, even if we had perfect elections where every single ballot was hand cast and hand counted, the work that you've done uncovers something I think is a that is a far greater threat, which is the role that big tech, especially Google, specifically, but they also the other big tech, the way that they can interfere with elections.
Seth Holehouse:And so I want you to introduce some of the different concepts that you first have put out in the the that was out in the creepy line, and help people understand just the power that even Google has, even with the Google search search and search suggestion that they have to alter the course of an election.
Speaker 2:Yes. This is very, very important for people to understand. And I'm I've actually have relationships now with with people in from different organizations, left and right, who are interested in election integrity. And this is an important issue, and people are going about, trying to understand this this issue and make sure that we have election integrity, make sure we have free and fair elections. They're going about it in in different ways.
Speaker 2:My conservative friends have their concerns. My liberal friends have their concerns. I could go through the list, but then I won't be able to talk about my own work, so I won't do that. But point is election integrity, very important issue. Now it's true that that the people I know who look at election integrity tend not to look at the big tech companies.
Speaker 2:That's a big mistake. That's a big mistake. They've they've gotta start looking at the big tech companies because it turns out, and this is what my eleven plus years of of very rigorous controlled research shows. It turns out that these companies, Google above all, have the ability to shift millions of votes without people knowing and without leaving a paper trail for authorities to trace. Now that's that's very different than shifting a few hundred votes or a few thousand votes here and there, because of ballot harvesting or ballot stuffing or, you know, whatever the terms are.
Speaker 2:This is happening on a much, much larger scale. Moreover, a lot of those issues that people have been looking at, the Dems, they tend to look at gerrymandering, for example, as a way of of kind of controlling the outcome of elections. Whatever these issues are, what's happening with the tech companies, it's like it's it's almost as if the earth has shifted under your feet, but you just didn't notice. In other words, it's it's so big and and and so widespread and so impactful that it just becomes almost just part of the air we breathe, and people just don't pay any attention. Even where they might suspect something, even where they think something could be happening, they just don't pay attention.
Speaker 2:So what what I've been doing are two different kinds of things now for a long time. One is in controlled experiments, which we publish in peer reviewed journals, which is very hard to do, by the way. I have to emphasize that. To say you publish in peer reviewed journals and if we publish in some of the top journals in the world is really, really difficult. Your your work has to go through incredible scrutiny.
Speaker 2:Most the vast majority of papers that are submitted to peer reviewed journals are rejected and never see the light of day. So we actually run these experiments, and then we present them at scientific meetings. We publish in peer reviewed journals. So what are what are the experiments show? The experiments show the power that these tech companies have to shift opinions and votes.
Speaker 2:So they don't show that companies are using these techniques. They show the power. So the very first one we discovered, which we call SEME, s e m e, which stands for search engine manipulation effect, that was back in 2013. Basically, either people are assigned at random without knowing to three different groups. In one group, they're gonna see search results that favor candidate a.
Speaker 2:And then the other group, those search results will favor candidate b. In the third regroup group, which is a control group, the they don't favor either candidate. The research results are all mixed. So that means we're ordering search results so that if you click near the top and you're in the candidate a group, you're gonna end up going to a web page which makes candidate a look really good or candidate b look really bad or both. Now it turns out people trust high ranking search results.
Speaker 2:That's that's a long story that has to do with the fact that when we we use the search engines, most of the things we we query are for just our simple facts. What's the capital of Ohio? And those always turn up at the top so that we learn over and over again. We're like rats in a Skinner box. We learn what's at the top is best.
Speaker 2:What's at the top is truest. Then the day comes where we look up something that, you know, where we're trying to make up our minds where we're not sure. So, we might just type in something like Trump or Ramaswamy. We might type in something where there's a that's kind of open ended and where there is no definite answer. And the question is, what is the search engine showing you?
Speaker 2:And what I'm telling you is whatever it's showing you at the top, that's what people trust and that's where people click. Now if they're undecided, I thought maybe that meant that we could shift their thinking by controlling the ordering of search results. Okay. Twenty thirteen, I'm predicting that by controlling those search results, we could get shifts in voting preferences of two or 3%. That was my prediction.
Speaker 2:So two or 3%. Hold that thought. In that first experiment we ran, with representative voters, by the way, all of whom were undecided on the election we were using, we got a shift of 43%, which I thought was an error. So we repeated it with another group of representative voters, and we got a shift of 66%. And at which point, I started to think, hey.
Speaker 2:Maybe maybe there's something going on here. Maybe maybe search engine companies have the power to shift votes. We also learned in those early experiments that people can't see the bias in search results. I mean, think about it. The search results themselves don't say much.
Speaker 2:They take you to a web page. But, you know, by the time you go to a web page, you don't remember what the search results were. So people can't see if there's bias, even extreme bias in search results. So now we're talking about a technique influence, of manipulation that's new, that's made possible by the Internet, that's made possible by the invention of search engines, and that people just are unaware of. They're unaware when this happens, when they're when those shifts occur, they're unaware that they're being influenced.
Speaker 2:That makes them very, very dangerous. Also, search results are ephemeral. That's what they call them inside of Google. They're ephemeral. They appear.
Speaker 2:They affect you. They disappear. They're stored nowhere. There's no paper trail. Now think about that.
Speaker 2:Now you have a technique of manipulation which can produce enormous shifts in people's thinking and voting preferences without their awareness and without leaving a paper trail. Think about that. Think about the power. So 2018, there was a leak of emails from Google to the Wall Street Journal in which Google employees were were discussing how can we use, this is their term, ephemeral experiences to change people's views about Trump's travel ban. Well, my gosh, when I saw that, my head was spinning because I had been studying exactly that issue, how to use ephemeral content, ephemeral experiences to shift people's thinking and behavior and voting preferences.
Speaker 2:I've been studying that since 2013. Here in 2018, I'm getting a glimpse inside the company and realizing they know all about this. In fact, they know a lot more than I do about how to do this. So that's how it all began. It began with that discovery, and it didn't stop there because what we've done since then is discovered about a dozen similar techniques.
Speaker 2:They all have acronyms, SSE, search suggestion effect, TME, targeted messaging effect, etcetera, etcetera. There are about a dozen of them, and we have been doing controlled experiments quantifying their power, showing exactly how each technique affects people. And we've gotten to the point in recent years where we're actually seeing what happens if we use the same technique over and over again on somebody. Do the numbers go up? And it turns out they do.
Speaker 2:Well, that's important because a company like Google could be hitting people with the same kind of technique, the same kind of bias for weeks or months before an election, hitting them over and over again with similarly biased content. And our experiments show, okay. The more times you do it, the more people you shift. So you get the general idea. That's one part of what we do, and that allows us to say very precisely if a technique is being used, how many votes it will shift.
Speaker 2:And now comes the second part of what we do. Twenty fifteen, I get a call from Jim Hood, who at that time was attorney general of Mississippi. And in Mississippi, attorneys general are elected. He had sued Google on behalf of Mississippi, for manipulating people's thinking and behavior. Google, in turn, had sued him back personally and sued him personally.
Speaker 2:I mean, they're they're very, very aggressive. They're very hard to fight in in the courts. Anyway, he was quite concerned. He was up for reelection. He wondered, could Google have an effect on the election?
Speaker 2:And I said yes, and I explained how. He was very concerned. And then he said, but how would you know? If these techniques don't leave a paper trail, how would you know? And then he said that, you know, in in law enforcement, he said what we would do is set up bots, and we would have the bots, you know, look up a lot of things on Google, and we'd see if if there'd be for finding some bias.
Speaker 2:So I said, well, that won't work because Google's algorithm can recognize bots because the bots have no history. You know, you have a history. You have a long, long history and a huge profile on Google, but a bot doesn't. So the bot would not get representative accurate information. It would not you wouldn't see the manipulation that way.
Speaker 2:So, well, then what do we do? And I thought, well, gee, you know, you'd have to you'd actually have to look over the shoulders of real voters. He said, well, how are we gonna do that? I go, I have no idea. That was 2015.
Speaker 2:Early '20 '16, we started the first ever program in the world to do to Google and other companies what they do to us and our kids twenty four hours a day and that is surveillance. We set up the first system to surveil them, to monitor them. We literally recruited registered voters. This is 2016. We managed to get 95 voters in 24 states.
Speaker 2:We developed special software, installed it on their computers with their permission, and that software allowed us to look over their shoulders, capture content on their screens, capture ephemeral content, which normally disappears. We capture it. That gets transmitted to our computers, and we analyze it. So in other words, we're doing what the Nielsen company does with television viewing. They've been doing it since 1950.
Speaker 2:They look over the shoulders of television viewers with their permission, and that tells them who's watching what show. Well, we're looking over the shoulders of real voters seeing the real content that Google is sending. And and you have to use real voters because they personalize all the content they send to people. It's the only way you're gonna know what they're doing. What did we find?
Speaker 2:Did we find any bias? Oh, yeah. We found pro Hillary Clinton bias, and I was her supporter at the time, pro Hillary Clinton bias in all 10 search positions on the first page of Google search results, but not on Bing or Yahoo search engines. It was Google. And since Google is the only search engine that counts, since they control 92% of search worldwide, Bing and Yahoo, hardly anyone uses them.
Speaker 2:It's Google that matters. And we were able to calculate that if that level of bias had been present nationwide, that would have shifted between two point six and ten point two million votes to Hillary Clinton. Now I'm gonna skip ahead really fast. We built a larger monitoring system in 2018, a much larger system in 2020, showing that Google had shifted at least 6,000,000 votes to Joe Biden.
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Speaker 2:We built a much, much larger system in 2022, showing among other things that if Google had not interfered in that election, the GOP would have ended up with a majority in the senate of between two and eight seats. What actually happened was the Democrats ended up with a majority of two seats. But if you take Google out of it, which we now know how to do, the GOP would have the majority in the senate. So on and on and on. Now I I just wanna bring us up to the present, and then we'd hit me with all your questions.
Speaker 2:By by late twenty twenty two, we at that point, we had 2,742 of people we call our field agents or our watchdogs in 10 swing states, which is where the action is. And we had preserved not just a few thousand ephemeral experiences. We had preserved more than 2,500,000 ephemeral experiences in the midterms. So in other words, we had learned how to do this. Right?
Speaker 2:And we had also learned how to analyze the data very, very quickly. So I said, okay. The time has come. We need to set up a permanent monitoring system in all 50 states with with court admissible data, and that will force these companies to stay away from our elections and, by the way, to stay away from our children. So now we're talking about a much bigger project.
Speaker 2:I'm happy to report that as of November of twenty twenty three, so a year later, we had in place a large scale monitoring system capturing content on the computers of more than 13,000 registered voters in all 50 states, twenty four hours a day. And we built a dashboard where people could see a summary of the data that we're collecting in real time. In other words, as we're collecting it. So if your viewers go to America's Digital Shield Dot Com, that's america's with an s, digital shield Com, they can actually see data coming into this system from registered voters in all 50 states. And what's more, they can see whether there's any political bias in that content.
Seth Holehouse:So and we'll touch on the childhood risk here, but I would just want to scroll down here because this is massive. I mean, this is like what you said, Google controlling 92% of global search traffic. This is just elections that we're talking about here, candidates, political candidates, and how they can sway the opinion of a political candidate that much. It makes me wonder, we'll come back to the website, because there's a lot to dig into there. But what I see here is a massive, not only a massive global surveillance state, but a massive global brainwashing operation where people because, you know, we're talking about political candidates.
Seth Holehouse:What if, you know, people are curious about whether they should get their booster or not? And they go there. Well, they're only going to get one particular narrative. Maybe people are curious about they want to learn, you know, like with with medicine in general, they want to learn different ways of treating, say, a certain ailment. And there, know, I see it, you only find one opinion, you don't find anything holistic, you're not going to find, you know, acupuncture as a potential way of curing or anything.
Seth Holehouse:It's really it's straight to the CDC and the big organizations. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I mean, this is what you've exposed here is literally how this central centralized massive global corporation can control the thoughts and beliefs of almost the entire world? I mean, this is it sounds like something out of a sci fi movie.
Speaker 2:Well, it is the entire world outside of Mainland China. It is the entire world. My wife and I lived for a year in the Fiji Islands. Ninety Two Percent of search done in the Fiji Islands was done on Google. So it is the entire world except Mainland China, which has its own methods of control, and Google has helped to develop some of those technologies, by the way.
Speaker 2:This is scary stuff. And the way you just worded it, I love the way you worded it because you made it sound very big and very scary. And you know what?
Seth Holehouse:It
Speaker 2:really is very big and very scary. In fact, it's even bigger than you're saying because, again, I know more about this, unfortunately, than anyone in the world. And it as big as you think it is, it's bigger. I'll tell you why. You if I may if I asked you how many how many ways does Google use to surveil us?
Speaker 2:Just give me a rough number. Because, I mean, you obviously, there's Gmail and there's the Google search engine. So just give me a rough number.
Seth Holehouse:Gosh, I mean, because I know single sign on is a big one. And there's a lot of stuff they do. I mean, I maybe I mean, there's also, you know, people have Google cameras, they have Google smartphones, Google operating systems. Maybe it's a couple dozen kind of primary different ways that they
Speaker 2:Okay. Couple dozen. So you're actually going higher than most people I've asked this question to.
Seth Holehouse:Unfortunately, I researched it a lot.
Speaker 2:Yes. But the actual number is more than 200 more than 200 different platforms, the vast majority of which people have never even heard of or just don't think about because they're completely invisible. So for example, millions of websites use Google Analytics because it's free, free, free. Everything is free. Right?
Speaker 2:They use Google Analytics to track traffic coming into their websites. Well, if you read Google's privacy policy in terms of service, you'll find that according to Google, if you are using any kind of Google software at all, they have a right to track you. So Google is actually tracking every single thing people do on all of those millions of websites, which don't seem to be associated with Google, but which have embedded in them Google Analytics. Now this is this is so crazy because when you begin to look at how at Google's reach, you know I I mentioned Google Analytics, but a lot of major universities, and build all of their systems on top of Google software. So the entire University of California system, UCLA, UC Berkeley, prestigious schools, They're using it doesn't say Gmail, but they're using Gmail.
Speaker 2:All of their emails from all of their students and all their professors and all their staff and all the attachments is all shared with Google. It's not just universities. It's high schools. It's middle schools. It's elementary schools because Google provides all of their software to educational institutions free I keep putting free in quotes because it's not free.
Speaker 2:We pay with our freedom. We pay with our freedom. It's not just educational institutions. The New York Times runs through Google. Various US Government agencies run through Google.
Speaker 2:The Economist runs through Google. The Guardian, which has done really spectacular investigative reporting about Google and how dangerous that company is, it all runs through Google. So their reporters, when they're communicating with with their, anonymous sources, they're not anonymous to Google. When when when they're getting in documents as part of some investigation, all of that is being shared with Google. Now I've talked to one of their top reporters about this problem, and she it it infuriates her.
Speaker 2:But she says there's nothing I can do about it. So as big as you think any of these problems are and remember, there's the surveillance. Second is the censorship. Okay. You don't know what they don't show.
Speaker 2:So that what they're actually suppressing are not just the the cases that end up you know, we end up moaning about and complaining about. What they're actually not showing, it's astronomical. It's astronomical. They're only gonna show things that either make them money or that suit them ideologically. You mentioned suppressing content about the coronavirus, for example.
Speaker 2:Well, any topic under the sun that they care about, They're controlling the content. One of the leaks from Google, which you can get to through my website, by the way, is a two minute video of the CEO of YouTube talking to her staff. And she's talking about how they're revising the YouTube algorithm to push up content that they think is valid and to push down content that they think is not. And behind her on a huge screen are two yellow air arrows, one going up and the other going down. So there's there's no mistaking what she's talking about.
Speaker 2:And then the third area is manipulation. Again, we've discovered about a dozen techniques that are being used every single day by Google and to a lesser extent other companies. People are unaware of these techniques, and they're especially unaware of the impact that Google is having on our elections and on our kids, our children.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, it's just astounding. It's absolutely astounding. And I think about too for for children. I know that we'll be looking at this on America's Digital Shield website. But if if kid is, say 12 years old, and they're struggling, they're getting picked on in school, and they go to Google, and they say how to deal with bullies, well, maybe one of the third article they find is something that says, Are you you know, do you feel insecure about yourself?
Seth Holehouse:Well, yeah, you know, find a 12 year old that doesn't feel insecure. And maybe it takes into some transgender, you know, thing where all sudden, a month later, they've gone down that path. And now they're coming to their parents saying, you know, mom, I think I'm the wrong gender. And, and it's just it's just this. I mean, if it was, you know, Google, funny enough, their their tagline used to be, I think it was don't be evil, but they actually they no longer use that tagline, which is very odd.
Seth Holehouse:But it it's it's kind of it's something that it seems that the technology is really it's good or evil based upon who's using the intent of the of the user or the controller. And so I wanna then I wanna bring up the website now, America's Digital Shield, and and look at this because this is, you know, one of the other kind of questions that arises in this overall discussion is, like, what's what is Google actually showing? And this is a question that I think is we should all be asking. I mean, how biased is Google? How are they just really slightly, you know, kind of, you know, say liberal in the in their their perspective or the the ideologies they're pushing?
Seth Holehouse:Or is it that they're, you know, really, really, like, almost like Antifa level far left? I mean, so walk us through this website. So I've looked at this before, and I I think this is absolutely fascinating, but it's also as fascinating it is. It's like a hundred times more frightening because this is what's shaping our society.
Speaker 2:It frightens the heck out of me. I'll tell you that. If you well, first of all, that big number there, that's the number of ephemeral experiences that we have preserved since we got this system going. And bear in mind, that 72,000,000 number, almost 73,000,000 now, normally that's zero because ephemeral experiences by definition are never captured, never preserved. In fact, what you're looking at there is Google's worst nightmare because they've always counted on the fact that they can manipulate people using ephemeral content because no one could capture ephemeral content.
Speaker 2:We're not only capturing search results. We're capturing even the search suggestions that they flash at you really fast while you're typing a search term. I mean, that's amazing. We've captured literally, I think it's over a hundred million of those. We're capturing answer boxes on on Facebook and other platforms.
Speaker 2:We're we're capturing reminders to vote or to register to vote. We're capturing YouTube images. We're also capturing content that's going to children now because through our adult field agents, we've gotten more than 2,600 children and teens to sign up, and we're starting to monitor content coming in through their yeah. These are pretty gory. Some of them are also quite sexually explicit too.
Seth Holehouse:What is it that I'm seeing right here? What are these images?
Speaker 2:Those are those are real images going to the mobile devices of children as young as five. And, you know, some of them are just kind of creepy, but some of them are and they go way beyond creepy. I mean, they're they're horrifying. Some of them are oh, look. How about that one?
Speaker 2:There's one.
Seth Holehouse:Yes. And so these are videos that are like, because Google knows that a six year old is a child as they're scrolling through YouTube. So these are the the videos
Speaker 2:that they recommend. I forgot to mention. These are recommended videos, and these aren't these aren't coming from regular YouTube. These are coming from YouTube Kids. So, you know, you know, although it made me nervous to to play some of this stuff when I when I testified before congress a few weeks ago, I said I also said, you know, you have to see this because parents just don't understand.
Speaker 2:They don't know what kind of content. There's a lot of beheadings. There's another one. We the this the the set you're seeing there, by the way, is about to be updated, I think, within the next couple of days, I think, by early next week. And the new set that's being posted is even worse than this set.
Speaker 2:So this is and this is not stuff we're looking for. This is content that is actually coming into the mobile devices of children as young as five. Now we don't even really understand this yet. This is a new area of study for us, but there has to be see the knife sticking out of the guy's head there? There has to be a reason that they're doing this, or there might be many reasons.
Speaker 2:We don't really know yet. We'll figure it out. We will figure it out. And, eventually, there'll be a whistleblower. Eventually, there'll be leaked documents.
Speaker 2:At the moment, we think that what they're doing it's it's called negativity bias. We think that they're now and then showing kids really gruesome things because that draws attention. It draws a lot of attention, and it gets kids to go to come back to see what other crazy thing is gonna turn up at some point unpredictably. So we think it's a it's kind of an addiction mechanism at the moment, but we're just starting to to look at that. Goodness.
Speaker 2:Now that's that's just the kids' issue. If you go down farther and start to look at the politics, what you're what you're seeing now are graphs. And I know some people hate graphs and can't read graphs, but see there's a horizontal line there where it says below Google. Well, below that are points. Each point represents a day, and that is showing the level of bias that we're seeing in content on Google search results.
Speaker 2:And if if the numbers are below the horizontal line, that means there's a liberal bias in the content. Notice there are no numbers above the line. That's strange. And then the big number you see in the upper right, that's the overall mean bias. Well, that means there's an overall liberal mean bias in Google search results, and we know from the experiments that that can shift millions of votes.
Speaker 2:It doesn't impact people who already have strong opinions. It impacts those people who are undecided, are uncommitted, the people who vulnerable. And guess what? Google knows exactly who those people are. They can target those people because they're reading their emails.
Speaker 2:They're looking at their their searches online. They're looking at every single they're looking at every place they go. They're looking at the donations they make. So Those are the people
Seth Holehouse:that determine elections too. Those people who decide the elections is is that that middle which
Speaker 2:Any close elections. Yeah. Yes. In fact, what we can tell you for sure is that any any election with a projected win margin of 4% or less, and that's a lot of elections, Google has complete control over those. Complete, absolute 100% control over those elections.
Speaker 2:They can control elections with projected win margins as high as 16%. Although that's harder for them to do. So if you have a projected wind margin, you're running, you know, for governor of Arizona and you're a Republican and your projected wind margin is 20%, you're safe. But who the heck has a who has that kind of safety? Now now now you're looking at YouTube bias.
Speaker 2:Now what that means is we're looking at the recommended videos that YouTube is recommending. There's that up next video that they play automatically, and then below that are a bunch of recommended videos. And if they're coming from news sources, we're showing you the political bias in those news sources. Notice they're pretty darn consistent in showing content that comes from liberally biased news sources. We can tell you, in fact, because we've been doing in-depth studies in some states, the one we just finished was for Ohio, that the recommended videos on YouTube in Ohio are are are liberally biased at about twice the rate you would expect by chance.
Speaker 2:Now these recommendations are very critical because a lot of people just get hooked, and they watch the next one that's recommended and the next one and the next one. And and Google itself has admitted that 70% of the videos around the world that people watch on YouTube were recommended by their algorithm. 70%. And our own new data with children, shows that 80% of the videos that children watch are recommended by Google's algorithm. So think of the power.
Speaker 2:You're you're boosting certain videos. It's exactly what the CEO of YouTube said. You're boosting videos that suit you, suit your company, your company's values, your company's profitability, and you're suppressing content that doesn't suit you. And you've got 70% of adults and 80% of children watching those recommended videos. It's unbelievable power.
Speaker 2:And until we set up this system, no one had ever ever been able to preserve those recommendations. Now we're preserving them.
Seth Holehouse:My goodness. It's it's just it's it's just baffling. It makes me think it's like, gosh, if there was a really evil person that wanted to take over the world, he would seize control of big tech. And it's like, Oh, maybe that's what's happened. Maybe that's why we are where we are.
Seth Holehouse:And so now this is really, really helpful. And I also you know, for the people that are watching and listening, I encourage everyone to share this this content, share this video, share this podcast, however you're interacting with it, because we need to get more people to see us. It doesn't matter what the political affiliation is. We even if you're someone that has completely different views than I do, for instance, I bet we can both agree on the fact that we don't want to be manipulated without us knowing it. No human wants to be controlled against our free will like that.
Seth Holehouse:And so with what we've shown here, you're looking at the the live information. So can you walk us through what you showed happened in previous elections based upon what happened with the manipulation and without the manipulation? The website shows that. Is that right?
Speaker 2:If you go down toward the bottom of that of the website, you'll actually see elections. We just give a sampling of some major elections that have been flipped in recent years. So the twenty twenty election, that's an obvious case. That was, that was flipped. But oh, stop stop there.
Speaker 2:Go go up to that blue map because that's kind of interesting. That's showing you right now the political bias that Google is sending to people in all 50 states. Idaho, it looks like they're getting they're getting some slight slightly conservative bias there. But the other 49 states, they're all getting liberally biased content. So it doesn't matter whether you're in a red state or a blue state or a purple state.
Speaker 2:Google is they're so arrogant that they're gonna send liberally biased content. They often send content that's more liberally biased to conservatives than to liberals.
Seth Holehouse:Incredible. My goodness.
Speaker 2:Now we if if we go down to some of the elections that were flipped, the twenty twenty presidential election, so there you're seeing actual outcomes. But if you go down below, you'll see the what the outcomes would have been. Let's see how they're turning red, would have been if Google had stayed out. And we've now we now know how to calculate this very precisely. We even know how to to to indicate the the probability that the selection was flipped.
Speaker 2:So that's what our our newest stuff is. We're actually showing probabilities. We haven't put that online yet, but but we will. The point is that this is not just, you know, academic stuff, academic drivel, which, you know, a lot of academic stuff is drivel that's not really relevant to our lives. This is immediately relevant to our lives because we're talking about, one very big company and a couple of other companies that have gone berserk in a way.
Speaker 2:They've gone berserk. They've figured it out how much power they have, and they're exercising that power. And we know from leaks of videos, of emails, of documents that Google is interested in social engineering worldwide. One of the leaks is an eight minute video called the selfish ledger. If you look up the selfish ledger and look up my name, you might come to the transcript I made of this film.
Speaker 2:The selfish ledger is an eight minute video made by their advanced products division in which they're discussing the power they have to reengineer humanity. They call it resequencing human behavior according to, and I quote from the film, Google's values. According to Google's values. This is a company founded by utopians. It's hired a lot of utopians over the years.
Speaker 2:You know? Hey. I'm a big believer in utopia. Although if you if you although I recently read Thomas More's original book called Utopia, which was published, I think, in the fifteen hundreds, I was kinda horrified by it. It didn't match what I think of as utopia, and that's the problem.
Speaker 2:That's the problem with utopias. You see? Because utopians each have their own idea about what a utopia should look like. The point is that Google has a very strong utopian culture, and they are exercising the power they have to reengineer humanity. They're doing it right now.
Speaker 2:They're affecting the thinking and behavior of more than 5,000,000,000 people around the world. My team is the only research team in the world that has focused on discovering the methods that they're using, quantifying those methods, and now through monitoring, documenting documenting the fact that they're actually using these methods. Now why aren't people just jumping on this? Why aren't they jumping? What what what about congress?
Speaker 2:What about all the attorneys general around the country? I mean, why aren't people jump why where are all the lawsuits? Okay? In fact, I'll I'll I'll I'll put it a different way. Where's the money?
Speaker 2:Why aren't we being showered with money to set up a larger and larger, system? Because the larger the system, the more data we get and the more the more, credibility we have in the in our courts around the country. Where's all the support? And that's where I kinda get stuck. When I was on Joe Rogan's show, that's what he ended up focusing on because he kept saying, where is everybody?
Speaker 2:I don't get it. Because the work we do is extremely rigorous. We as I say, we publish in peer reviewed journals. We're collecting data now on a massive scale. We we, I should have have mentioned earlier that that our field agents, our watchdogs, are politically balanced.
Speaker 2:If you go to the very bottom of America's digital shield, you'll see the balance. They're politically balanced. So we take every every possible precaution. Yeah. There's a there's a pie chart showing you
Seth Holehouse:Actually, you've got down. Slightly more liberals working on this than conservatives,
Speaker 2:which is I hope it's not a a big difference.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, 29% versus 26%. It just goes to say that this is a this is this has nothing to do with political affiliation. This is so much bigger than politics. I mean, this is it's it's really it's almost like who's playing God, and who gave them permission to play God, and did we give them permission? Because that's what this is.
Speaker 2:The problem though is, see, Google exercises its power, not just over the people, not just over the voters. It's exercising its power over our politicians, over our leaders. In fact, it's choosing a lot of our leaders. So I'll give you an example. I I, I testified again before congress just in this a few weeks ago.
Speaker 2:My testimony, it's a six minute video. It's at, 2023epsteintestimony.com. The session was chaired by a democrat, Amy Klobuchar. She was very nice to me, except after my testimony, she actually said on the record she said on the record that that our monitoring system violates people's privacy because we're looking over their shoulders at their computer screens. Now she somehow missed the fact that that sentence of mine ended by with just as the Nielsen company looks over the shoulders of television viewers, she somehow missed that, our field agents, our watchdogs, our volunteers.
Speaker 2:They're all you could consider them patriots. They're they're helping to try to make the Internet safer and fairer. They're volunteers. We pay them a token fee, $25 a month. That's it.
Speaker 2:You know, for their trouble, which is a lot of trouble that they have to go through. And we and we transmit their data to our computers without any identifying information. In other words, we never look at the data of individuals. We do the exact opposite of what Google does. Somehow, she missed all that.
Speaker 2:Now why? What's going on here? What's going on here, actually was Ted Cruz explained it to me. He said, look. He said, Google gives a fortune in donations to the Democrats, and Google also sends them millions of votes.
Speaker 2:They put a lot of Democrats into office. They flip a lot of elections in one direction only. He said, so forget the Democrats. He was trying to explain why he's having trouble passing relevant legislation, k, to stop these companies. He's trying to explain it to me.
Speaker 2:He said, forget the Democrats. He said, and then Republicans like me, we just generally speaking don't like regulation. Okay. That's a problem. See?
Speaker 2:You know, where is everybody? Where is everybody who should be up in arms over the the work that we've done, the discoveries we've made over the past, eleven plus years? Where is everybody? Well, they're they're just skulking around. I don't know.
Speaker 2:I I I don't get it. All I can say is we're not gonna stop. We're gonna keep building. We we are always looking for major donors, major foundations. So if if any of your people, any of your viewers, can help us there, that's great.
Speaker 2:We're also always looking for small donations. Right now, the main thing we need are for people to step up and make a tax deductible donation of $25 a month to sponsor just one of our field agents. Because even though we only pay them $25 a month, as soon as we hit 10,000 and we're way past 10,000, that costs $250,000 a month or just to pay our field agents. Forget what it costs to recruit them and train them and equip them. So we need people.
Speaker 2:We're going to need tens of thousands of Americans year round to step up and just sponsor one of our field agents. If you go to feedthewatchdogs.com, feed the watchdogs Com, you can very easily click, and you can make a tax deductible donation to just I'm not I'm not asking you to feed, you know, a hundred of them or a thousand of them. Just one. Just one. Just help us, you know, compensate one of these wonderful people.
Speaker 2:And we're still building. So we're past 13,000. We're gonna get much, much bigger. And, of course, the bigger we get, you know, the more expensive the system is. But this system, if you think about it, is not optional.
Speaker 2:This must exist because if we are not monitoring, well, among other things, in 2024, Google alone will be able to shift in the presidential election between six point four and twenty five point five million votes. In other words, Google will decide who the next president's gonna be. If we have a large scale monitoring system in place with court admissible data in all 50 states right now, we have a large scale system in place in all 50 states, but we have court admissible data in just 15 states so far. One five, 15 states. So we need to get much bigger.
Speaker 2:If this system gets big enough, these companies will back down. They will stop. And we know that because in 2020, November fifth '20 '20, right after the election, Ted Cruz and two other senators sent a very threatening letter to the CEO of Google talking about our findings, my research findings in the twenty twenty election. And that very day, Google stopped some of its most powerful election manipulations in Georgia, which was gearing up to have a a senate runoff election there for two senatorial positions, they stopped. They the the bias in their search results went to zero, which is the first time we've ever seen that.
Speaker 2:And more importantly, they stopped sending out partisan GoVote reminders. That's one of their most powerful manipulations is sending out register to vote reminders, mail in your ballot reminders, and go vote reminders mainly or exclusively to members of one party. Think about how powerful that is. And without a monitoring system in place, they can get away with it. No one will ever know that they did it.
Seth Holehouse:Well, that's encouraging that these this behemoth of a company, these massive tech companies, they're not invincible. I think that's one of the key lessons here. And I think it's a lesson that we're really learning in ways that we haven't since the founding of this country is that the power still lies in the hands of We the People. And if you had, if you had half a million people sponsoring watchdogs and had that much data behind you, we would be able to take on even more so this this beast, this this giant tech global corporatocracy behemoth. And that's it's a good lesson.
Seth Holehouse:And so I really wanna encourage everyone that's watching and listening, a, to share this information. Share the website. Share the information. It's this is a great discussion that bridges the political divide. Doesn't matter what you know what, where you're coming from, what your background is, we should all be able to agree on this.
Seth Holehouse:But the other is I really want to encourage people to go to the website you've got here, I'll put it in the description feed the watchdogs.com and sign up just to support somebody. What if somebody wants to sign up to become a watchdog? What if they want to get involved and do this? How does that work?
Speaker 2:I am so glad you asked that question. Because every single day we have people writing to us, wanting to volunteer to be watchdogs. And we would love to take on those people because first of all, it would cut our costs down dramatically, and we can't take them. Why? Because if we took volunteers, Google Google would send us thousands of volunteers.
Speaker 2:They have sent us people. I see. Sometimes they've been sloppy, and we've actually been able to determine that those people came from Google, and then we we kick them out. But the point is Google would send us thousands of people. They wouldn't send us necessarily their own employ employees.
Speaker 2:They they employ on the outside that we know of more than 16,000 so called consultants, and they would just send us their consultants. We would have no way of knowing, generally speaking, that those people were sent by Google. And we would get bad data because Google would control the data being sent to those people. So, unfortunately, we have to reach out to literally a hundred registered voters before one person says, okay. Sure.
Speaker 2:I'll do that. And then we have to get them to sign an NDA, and then they have to, you know, put software on their computers and etcetera. It's it's a long process. It's expensive. It's a long process, but there's no substitute for this process.
Speaker 2:We have to reach out to real voters. We have to equip their systems and so that we're getting real data. And we have to protect their identities as well just as the Nielsen company has to protect the identities of the Nielsen families, to monitor television watching. We have to do the same thing. So, look, the point is we've been developing these monitoring systems since 2016.
Speaker 2:We've figured it out. We have figured it out. We I mean, we were so clumsy in the beginning. And now we're we're we're a a lean machine. We're we're operating very efficiently, but this system is inherently very expensive.
Speaker 2:So, you know, you're right. If we had tens of thousands, of thousands of Americans who let's say they normally give money to the Red Cross each year. If they had on their list to support, our digital shield, that would stop these companies. And by the way, I would say, although, you know, nothing's absolutely guaranteed in life, I would say the likelihood that these companies would back off would be extremely high. They could not risk having massive amounts of data collected in a rigorous and balanced way being introduced into the courts or being introduced to congress or to AGs.
Speaker 2:They they couldn't survive that. And people would start to pass meaningful laws and regulations, you know, if that kind of data were being made available. And those regulations, we would have a way of of determining whether or not the companies are complying with those regulations. See, that's why, again, monitoring is so important. I I've become more and more convinced this is simply not optional.
Speaker 2:Given that technology keeps advancing so fast, now AI is turning up all over the place, It becomes more and more important that we track what they're doing just as they track what we're doing. We have to track what they're doing. If we don't track it think about it. We won't know anything about how they're messing with our kids' minds. We won't know anything about how they're messing our with our elections, about which elections they flipped.
Speaker 2:In 2020, Donald Trump, whom I did not support, but Donald Trump won five out of the 13 swing states. That's 2020. Our data show without any doubt that if Google had stayed out of that election, Trump would have won 11 of the 13 swing states. He easily won would have won the presidency in the electoral college. That's how big a difference Google is making.
Speaker 2:These are not these are not small effects. These are not small numbers. This is, as as the president used to say, huge. This is a huge, huge I can't I can't do it the way he does it. But I'm telling you, that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:This is this is big stuff.
Seth Holehouse:Well, thank you so much for committing so much of your personal resources and time and effort and energy into this. It's it's important work. And again, I will reiterate, I hope that every person watching this can share this video, share the podcast. And for those of you that have the means, even if it means canceling two of your streaming subscriptions, canceling your Disney plus, which you should have canceled a while ago, supporting a watchdog, and I'll put the links below. So doctor Epstein, thank you again for coming on.
Seth Holehouse:It's been such an honor and a pleasure to have you on the show today. And I I really hope that more people can get behind the work that you're doing because it's incredibly important.
Speaker 2:Thank you. It's a pleasure, and thank you for just for for being so so sympathetic and so concerned. That means a lot to me.
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